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  • As a HUGE fan of Wonderland, I was VERY pleased to see these things mentioned in the new sneak peek. Anyone else think the "wise woman" is Alice XD?

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    • It is possible that the wise woman, was Alice. Something tells me, Jack's sword is the Vorpal Sword.

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    • Yeah, just saw this... it's amazing. I am okay with Jack and Alice being the same person.

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    • Cora?

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    • Jacobier wrote:
      Yeah, just saw this... it's amazing. I am okay with Jack and Alice being the same person.

      I'm more in favor of Alice being the wise woman, but it'd be interesting to see otherwise. 

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    • wait...so jack is also alice...that would definitely be very interessting...

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    • jack could be alice. alice must kill the monster....the wise woman could be the white queen! 

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    • Didn't Alice eat the mushroom and become tiny...Jack said she had never tried it...I don't think Jack is Alice. Like others said ...maybe the wise woman.

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    • I doubt Alice could actually be Jack. Alice isn't native from Wonderland nor the Enchanted Forest anyway. She's either native from our World or Frankenstein's Realm (Land Without Colour). And my guess is that she comes from a Land Without Colour. We'll probably see later...

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    • MazammessII wrote:
      I doubt Alice could actually be Jack. Alice isn't native from Wonderland nor the Enchanted Forest anyway. She's either native from our World or Frankenstein's Realm (Land Without Colour). And my guess is that she comes from a Land Without Colour. We'll probably see later...

      I agree, Alice from the bases of the story is a girl who comes from a land where magic isn't used that often, so it rather she from our world or the world without color. Since she was genually curious, and surprised about the diffrent creatures, and magical element that was in Wonderland.

      Personally I think the wise woman can be two people it rather Alice, or Cora. Because at the time where the flashback is taking place it is possible that Cora is Queen of Hearts, and being mistaken for being a wise woman is definitely a big possibility.

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    • I'm almost positive she is Alice. That was just too much information to be considered useless information.

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    • I immediately thought of the Dutchess because of how "wise" she was when she met Alice for the second time.

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    • 115.188.85.209 wrote:
      I immediately thought of the Dutchess because of how "wise" she was when she met Alice for the second time.

      I haven't read Alice's Adventures in Wonderland yet but I've played American McGee's Alice and I thought about the Duchess too! Don't know if she's evil too in the book but one way or another, the "wise woman" can either correspond to the Duchess, the Red Queen, the Queen of Hearts -Cora- (the Red Queen and the Queen of Hearts are two different people) or the White Queen. However, that's only if the "wise woman" is truly a reference to a character in Alice in Wonderland.

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    • I always thought that Alice and Dorothy could be the same person.

      But I do wonder, was Jack the girl who slayed the Jabberwocky and not Alice? Or is she Alice aswell?!?!

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    • Alice DID NOT slay the jabberwocky. Tim Burton decided she did, but that is the only instance of that happening.

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    • 'Jabberwocky is originally a poem in Through The Looking-Glass in which an unidentified boy slays a monster known as the Jabberwock. So the boy could have been Jack in OUAT.

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    • I understand what "Jabberwocky" originally was, thank you very much. But you have completely contradicted yourself. "was Jack the girl who slayed the Jabberwocky and not Alice? or is she Alice as well?!?!" (which prompted me to say that Alice never did slay the Jabberwocky, which is exactly what you said). And then you turned around and said it was an unidentified boy (which I already knew and tried to tell you) who slayed the Jabberwocky, and that Jack could be that boy. So what exactly is it you want? Do you want her to be the boy or do you want her to be Alice?

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    • Why are you being rude Prince? And why are you trying to push me for an answer! I'm just expressing two of my therories that's all! No-one knows who Alice is yet!

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    • Prince of Hearts wrote:
      Alice DID NOT slay the jabberwocky. Tim Burton decided she did, but that is the only instance of that happening.

      Yes, I was referring about the movie aspect in which it was made that Alice killed the Jabberwocky. I wasn't sure if she did in the original tale since I never read the books. I had thought from the sneak peek they were alluding to the film when Jack said she slayed the Jabberwocky. 

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    • ScarletLycrois wrote:
      Why are you being rude Prince? And why are you trying to push me for an answer! I'm just expressing two of my therories that's all! No-one knows who Alice is yet!

      Well, I think Prince was trying to show that it would be strange if Jack were a boy when we already know Jack/Jacqueline is clearly a woman. 

      And, OUat tends not to follow exactly to the t of classical tales. They might allude to them, or change the story a bit to give it that surprise twist for the show. It's not about the character having to fit the classical tale. What I'm saying is although in the classical tale it says a boy slayed the Jabberwock, in the sneak peek we hear Jack say she did. You saw the liberties they took with Mulan, who is supposed to be a mythical historical figure from Ancient China, but yet in OUat she is a resident of the Enchanted Forest just the same.

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    • Assuming the poem exists in FTL, it's possible that the residents of Wonderland wrote it as a sort of ballad after the defeat of the Jabberwock. If they had never met Jack, they may assume it was a boy who did it, so they recorded it as such.

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    • I'm really hoping Alice is still from our world in OUaT. They need to have more connections from our world to the fairytale worlds.

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    • I hope they are going to feature Alice as a character from our world, maybe the girlfriend of greg is Alice who had been in Wonderland once and told Greg about it and now that Greg has seen magic he tells her that. And I think Jack is just the one who slayed the Jabberwocky and that the wise woman is either Cora or the White Queen, although the Red Queen and the Queen of Hearts different persons I concider them as the same. (interesting fun-fact, the Red Queen from Tim Burton's movie is a mash-up of Red Queen, Queen of Hearts and Duchess)

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    • Aqua Mare wrote: I'm really hoping Alice is still from our world in OUaT. They need to have more connections from our world to the fairytale worlds.

      I hoping Alice, Wendy, and Dorothy are from our world. So I know there's some possibility that there can be travel from a Land without magic to other worlds.

      Then again Henry went to the Netherworld and they haven't explained why.

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    • It was a side affect from the Sleeping Curse.

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    • I always thought that Alice was Grace's mom and Jefferson's true love but she could be both.

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    • 99.51.99.115 wrote:
      I always thought that Alice was Grace's mom and Jefferson's true love but she could be both.


      I SOOOO wanted that to happen!! :D Maybe it still will :)

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    • Alice can't be Jack. One of the main ideas associated with all variations of Alice in Wonderland over the years is Alice using mushrooms to try and fit in at Wonderland. Jack said that she had never had them before but a wise women swore by them. Surely that wise women is Alice. The only version of Alice in wonderland that ever had Alice slaying the Jabberwocky was Tim Burtons latest film. Knowing the way that the writers of this show steer clear of recent fairytale adaptions. I would say that Jack slayed the Jabberwocky, ordered by someone to do so maybe the white queen and that Alice is still yet to come in this show. 

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    • I think the wise woman could be Cora and that Alice is from Wonderland

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    • Well after seing the episode I hope Jack is not Alice. I'm betting the real alice is in the looney bin under the SB hospital - "'cause everyone is mad here" I would love a Cheshire cat reference!!!

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    • Maybe there is a difference between Jack and the Bean Stalk and Jack the Giant Slayer

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    • If Alice is the wise woman, this theory would depend on at what point was he stranded in wonderland by Regina. Since the Mad Hatter was one of the individuals that Alice did intereact with. I can say for certainty that  based on his daughter  age that he couldn't have been in wonderland for 1 or 2 years.

      Personally I don't think the wise woman is Alice, but Cora. We already know that Cora does know about Magic, and did currently was living in Wonderland around that period of time.  So it not really out their to say that Cora would have known already about the Mushrooms, and was the wise woman that Jack was refering to.

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    • 211.31.31.208 wrote:
      Maybe there is a difference between Jack and the Bean Stalk and Jack the Giant Slayer

      Jack and the Beanstalk and Jack the Giant-Killer are two variations of the same story.... the stories origins are same, as far as I know.

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    • The wise women could be Cora, I still like the idea of Jeffersons wife/partner/ex (not sure the situation) being Alice. Would be a cool twist

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    • 99.51.99.115 wrote:
      I always thought that Alice was Grace's mom and Jefferson's true love but she could be both.

      I was thinking Grace's mother was gonna turn out to be Glinda the good witch.

      btw: Did jefferson ever say he was married to Grace's mom?

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    • Im thinking it's Cora who was the wisewoman considering Regina also had mushrooms with her to give Anton so that he could grow tall again.

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    • Ruby ridinghood wrote:

      btw: Did jefferson ever say he was married to Grace's mom?

      No, I don't believe Jefferson ever said he married Grace's mother. He simply talked about her in the past sense about how he didn't want Grace to lose her father as she lost her mother.

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    • Another hint that Jack had a Wonderland connection was in the first scene when James is in bed with her he says "You truly are a wonder."

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    • i know i thought that she was Alice XD

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    • OUAT has alot of oppurtunities to bring in characters from our world. Alice, Tiana, Dorothy, Wendy, etc. And applegirl if Jack turned out to be a girl why can't the boy turn out to be a girl lol? I feel like people are over thinking things alot. OUAT isn't adding characters as much as it seems. The wise woman will probably show up eventually but it'll probably just be Cora or something. I do wish they would ad more characters, I'm bored with the same people. 

      Random thought: Captain Hook looks a lot Prince Eric and maybe one day he'll get in a ship accident and Ariel will save him. Hook will probably get a happy ending. Cora not so much. Regina maybe. 

      You know who I really want to see? The cheshire cat XD. By far the best character from all Disney movies :))

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    • I first thought the 'Wise Woman' was The White Queen and before Jack told Anton her name, I thought she was Alice, the grown up grace.

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    • 219.78.13.223 wrote:
      I first thought the 'Wise Woman' was The White Queen and before Jack told Anton her name, I thought she was Alice, the grown up grace.

      She can't be Jack as well as Alice and Grace at the same time. Grace never grew up. She stayed a little girl. 

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    • she said she had never tried that mushroom not that she had never used one before. and we all know there is no way to tell if a mushroom will make you bigger or smaller until its eaten. 

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    • Don't think they'd make Alice so horrible... and I also don't think they'd kill her off like they did. That would be a HUGE waste of a character.

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    • Fractuared Fairytales wrote:
      Don't think they'd make Alice so horrible... and I also don't think they'd kill her off like they did. That would be a HUGE waste of a character.

      Well they did it to Gus the mouse, and The Fairy Godmother from Cinderella.

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    • Yeah... but Alice is quite literally the MAIN character in the Wonderland story. I really can't see them killing her off without even explaning who she was.

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    • And I think Alice is someone from our world who has been in Wonderland. I suspect that Alice will appear as an adult as the girlfriend of Greg

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    • I don't think Jack is Alice eigher, I was just saying that they have killed off character without little character development before.

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    • Yeah - but it can be argued that Gus and the FGM aren't the most important characters (I know, FGM got Cinderella to where she was, but OuaT took care of that in a different way, proving she wasn't necessary).

      Alice, on the otherhand is essential to the Wonderland plot.

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    • I have never been a fan of the idea of bringing Alice to Once Upon a Time, but after rewatching Tiny, I think that it is a good plot line (maybe not important right now), since Barbara Hershey could appear in Wonderland's flashbacks, and Rose McGowan could appear in previous flashbacks in the same episode. That way, Jefferson would return (not soon, obviously not this season) and Jack would too, and the whole Jabberwock-mushroom-far off land thing could be revealed.



      And, by the way, I actually think that if there is a Cheshire Cat in OUaT it should be Rumplestiltskin. And no, I do not care if he is alredy the evil imp, the beast and the crocodile. I saw an obvious reference (I could be wrong) in A Land Without Magic's scene in the Infinit Forest...

      Rumplestiltskin: Lost, are we?
      Prince Charming: What are you doing here?
      Rumplestiltskin: I'm just here to help.
      Prince Charming: Well, no need. I'll be fine.
      Rumplestiltskin: No I don't think so. This is the Infinite Forest. There's no way out. Well, except... my way.


      Cheshire Cat talking about ways

      still talking about ways


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    • I didn't even catch that but now I really want Rumple to be the Cheshire Cat. He actually does have the mannerisms.

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    • It would be cool if it was the Cheshire Cat. Id like to think of the cat has a shaman esque figure in wonderland and one of the few people who could take Cora on in a fight.

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    • Rumple as the Cheshire Cat? I really hope no, I hope the Cheshire Cat will be a new character native to Wonderland like the Caterpillar and i want to see him as a truly evanescent flying cat, not just as a metaphoric reference like Rumple-Crocodile. Furthermore two important characters like the Mad Hatter and the Queen of Hearts come from another world, i think it would be right that other important Alice in Wonderland's characters are instead native inhabitants of Wonderland.

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    • 93.148.235.4 wrote:
      Rumple as the Cheshire Cat? I really hope no, I hope the Cheshire Cat will be a new character native to Wonderland like the Caterpillar and i want to see him as a truly evanescent flying cat, not just as a metaphoric reference like Rumple-Crocodile. Furthermore two important characters like the Mad Hatter and the Queen of Hearts come from another world, i think it would be right that other important Alice in Wonderland's characters are instead native inhabitants of Wonderland.


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    • Yeah but who's to say where the Dark One's curse/power is native to. 

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    • I wonder if Wonderland is now ruled by the White Queen and the Red Queen, seeing that the Queen of Hearts is gone now. In the novels of Alice in Wonderland the Red and White Queen come after the Queen of Hearts is gone.

      Hopefully we get to see and Alice centered episode, with Alice being "Her" (Greg's girlfriend) in the past, when the Queen of Hearts still ruled. Giving Cheshire Cat, Caterpillar and Duchess (I don't really care about Tweedledum and Tweedledee) an episode appearance too. And of course an episode where we See Jack fight the Jabberwocky.

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    • Id like to think that Cora took th DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      I wonder if Wonderland is now ruled by the White Queen and the Red Queen, seeing that the Queen of Hearts is gone now. In the novels of Alice in Wonderland the Red and White Queen come after the Queen of Hearts is gone.

      Hopefully we get to see and Alice centered episode, with Alice being "Her" (Greg's girlfriend) in the past, when the Queen of Hearts still ruled. Giving Cheshire Cat, Caterpillar and Duchess (I don't really care about Tweedledum and Tweedledee) an episode appearance too. And of course an episode where we See Jack fight the Jabberwocky.


      Id like to think Cora stole the throne from the White queen and has the magority of the population under her control through fear or heart magic. Anyone like the Cheshire Cat or the White rabbit would be rebels fighting against Cora's rule.

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    • Hold up!  The Mad Hatter said he lost his wife due to his magic hat.  He also said he hates Wonderland.  I think Alice is the Mad Hatter's lost wife.  IF she survived and if she got out, Alice being "HER" would be rather interesting to play out.

      Also, I too caught the Cheshire Cat similarities to Rumple's mannerisms in the Infinite Forest.  I hope Rumple is teh Cheshire Cat.  I miss seeing the Dark One having a hand in so many stories and events.

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    • I think that Alice being "HER" wouldn't even be so weird. Greg and "HER" both have withnessed magic but were both made a fool because of that. They both lost someone they lost Alice her friends and Owen his father. I think those two vorming a pair would be perfect.

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    • Well thankfully, we all know that Alice isn't "HER" so we can scratch those theories. I for one think that the Wise Woman is definately Alice. Although when I hear the term "Wise Woman" I for some odd reason think of an old crone in a hood. Ignoring that though, if the wise woman "assured Jack of its power" then she's bound to have tried the mushrooms before, therefore, given what we know of Jack and Alice's different adventures, she and Jack couldn't POSSIBLY be the same person. However, given that this is a "what we thought we know, we don't know" kind of show, there are other possibilities...but I'm in favor of Alice being this alleged wise woman. But bottom line, I'd like to see more of Wonderland without a doubt.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      211.31.31.208 wrote:
      Maybe there is a difference between Jack and the Bean Stalk and Jack the Giant Slayer
      Jack and the Beanstalk and Jack the Giant-Killer are two variations of the same story.... the stories origins are same, as far as I know.

      Not really. Jack the Giant Killer is a Cornish tale taking place in King Arthur's time. There's no beanstalk in JtGK. And there are aslo multiple gaints. In Jack and the Beanstalk, there are no mentions of any kings and there is only one antagonizig giant and his wife (depending on what version you read.) There are major differences between the two. Where on earth did you hear that?

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      And I think Alice is someone from our world who has been in Wonderland. I suspect that Alice will appear as an adult as the girlfriend of Greg

      Nope. Tamara is his girlfriend. Rumple's going to kill/harm her, when he finds out she's cheating on his son Nealfire. I hate her, the moement she killed August and he went back to Pinocchio. I gave up on her completely. If she Tiger Lily, man I'll never hear the end of this storyline. And you thought your family had issues. it's all revolving aroun The Charming's & Rumple. They have the most ones... now. Cora's dead. Regina is alone and w/o Henry, she's deadly.

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    • sorry if someone said this already I didn't look through every reply but I was thinking that JAck was Graces mom. Because how else would she have gone to neverland if not for Jeffersons hat?

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    • 98.208.193.90 wrote:
      sorry if someone said this already I didn't look through every reply but I was thinking that JAck was Graces mom. Because how else would she have gone to neverland if not for Jeffersons hat?

      This may be unlikely. as stated by Once: The Untold Stories, Jefferson's wife/Grace's mother died, and as Jefferson puts it, it was because of his work. Jack was killed by Arlo. And I should hope you mean WONDERLAND. Don't mix up the two.....please......there are looking glasses that can get you there. I should hope you were paying attention when Regina pushed Cora through the looking glass to Wonderland.

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