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  • Ever wondered what life was like in Storybrooke when the fairy tale characters arrived? According to Vancity Filming, that vision of cursed Storybrooke life will soon be a reality.

    The cast are are currently filming Episode 2x17 in Steveston on sets that have been redressed to resemble the early 80's. Exact details of this particular flashback storyline are scarce but internet rumours are rampant that the episode will either concentrate on Henry's arrival in Storybrooke or on the first day of the curse. Perhaps the episode will give a whirlwind tour through 28 years of cursed Storybrooke life, giving us glimpses of all the significant events we have craved to see.

    Hipster Sheriff Graham is also back for the episode, with Jamie Dornan having been spotted filming on-set.

    http://www.onceuponatimefans.co.uk/apps/blog/show/23186630-storybrooke-steps-back-in-time

    Jamie Dornan reprising his role as Sheriff Graham in a flashback special

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    • Ok, so he is appearing outside of the Enchanted Forest then.

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    • Yep, I stand to be corrected on my other posts looks like the Huntsman will be in Storybrooke too. Sorry, Prince thought I had researched this better but guess I didn't.

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    • the filming was set for 1983, 28 years before Emma arrived in Storybrooke so the first day of the curse is possible.

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    • I think the episode might start with the 80s scene with Regina experiencing the first day of the curse, the day she was finally happy. And this is likely the ep where we see Henry arrive by August Booth hopefully. That of course is 19 years after 1983. So I wonder how there going to do that.

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    • Yea, I wonder how they are going to do  all this too and with Owen the 10 year old, and Ben his widow father. How all this is going be incorporated in to one story will be interesting. Guess they will have cut some of the commercials out huh?

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    • I'd say that's the one thing you can pretty much count on them not doing. ;)

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    • KungAvSand wrote:
      I'd say that's the one thing you can pretty much count on them not doing. ;)

      Lol.... very true.

      The flashback could be both; the first day of the curse, and Henry's arrival in Storybrooke, 18 years later. 

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    • I think the ep. will start with Regina walk down Main Street of Storybrooke enjoying the first day of the curse. She will finally be happy.

      I don't think we'll be seeing the Enchanted Forest at all this ep. That means Ben and Owen might be the Nikki and Paulo of OUaT.

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    • I don't think we'll be seeing the Enchanted Forest at all this ep. That means Ben and Owen might be the Nikki and Paulo of OUaT.

      Who is Nikki and Paulo? They always have a two part story one in Fairyland or some place else and Storybrooke.

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    • HappyEndings wrote:

      Who is Nikki and Paulo? They always have a two part story one in Fairyland or some place else and Storybrooke.

      Actually.... the creators teased, we may have episodes that are set solely in Storybrooke or solely in the Enchanted Forest, this season. We already had two episodes without flashbacks, Broken and Into the Deep

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      HappyEndings wrote:

      Who is Nikki and Paulo? They always have a two part story one in Fairyland or some place else and Storybrooke.

      Actually.... the creators teased, we may have episodes that are set solely in Storybrooke or solely in the Enchanted Forest, this season. We already had two episodes without flashbacks, Broken and Into the Deep

      Actually, "Broken" did have flashbacks. All of the events in Storybrooke were flashbacks.

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    • HappyEndings wrote:
      I don't think we'll be seeing the Enchanted Forest at all this ep. That means Ben and Owen might be the Nikki and Paulo of OUaT.

      Who is Nikki and Paulo? They always have a two part story one in Fairyland or some place else and Storybrooke.

      A Lost reference.  

      As for Owen and Ben...I wonder how they are going to parallel a father comforting his son over the loss of his mother with a Storybrook flashback since they usually parallel these things. 

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    • I am of the persuasion that Owen is a young Huntsman. 

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    • Prince of Hearts wrote:
      I am of the persuasion that Owen is a young Huntsman. 

      It is very possible.... plus, it would be so cute!

      PS: I love the title of 2.17, Welcome to Storybrooke.... should be fun :)

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    • Give me 80s fashion, fashion, and slang! That is all I want to see in this episode. 

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    • I saw a photo of MM meeting Red and Red was dressed in black lace and hot pants it looked like she was kind of a hooker look.

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    • Prince of Hearts wrote: Actually, "Broken" did have flashbacks. All of the events in Storybrooke were flashbacks.

      I wouldn't call it flashblacks: More like, we just saw the events of that episode in a misleading order.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      Prince of Hearts wrote: Actually, "Broken" did have flashbacks. All of the events in Storybrooke were flashbacks.

      I wouldn't call it flashblacks: More like, we just saw the events of that episode in a misleading order.

      Agreed.... if anything, the Enchanted Forest scenes were a flashforward.

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    • Disregarding the Neal scene, the episode starts out in the Enchanted Forest, does it not? And then it flashes back to the events in Storybrooke.

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    • Prince of Hearts wrote:
      Disregarding the Neal scene, the episode starts out in the Enchanted Forest, does it not? And then it flashes back to the events in Storybrooke.


      What else do we need to see in the Enchanged Forest before Storybrooke? We saw Snow and PC putting Emma in the cabinet what is missing before that?

      By the way anyone else having problems using the quote because when I do the quote and reply it just sits there have to open another session and redo it.

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    • Who is MM?

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    • Ruby ridinghood wrote:
      Who is MM?

      Mary Margaret

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    • Prince of Hearts wrote:
      I am of the persuasion that Owen is a young Huntsman. 


      I think Owen is Neal and he somehow finds a way to go out SB in the late 80's so he is not Bealfire that´s what the producers want that we believe. Just saying a crazy theory.

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    • The spoilers pretty much implied and in fact shows that Bae is Neal.

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    • 189.172.61.158 wrote:
      Prince of Hearts wrote:
      I am of the persuasion that Owen is a young Huntsman. 

      I think Owen is Neal and he somehow finds a way to go out SB in the late 80's so he is not Bealfire that´s what the producers want that we believe. Just saying a crazy theory.

      Interesting theory there ... I always thought that it would be youn Rumple because the actor that plays Ben the dad looks a little like Rumple (to me at least)... But this would be cool... 

      Maybe Neal saw something from Fairytale land as a boy in Storybrooke and the object that August shows Neil in the future (the thing in the box) is something he recognised from his childhood. Thus he understood what August was telling him about Emma ... 

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    • Another theory I see cropping up in other forums is that the young kid might be Greg.

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    • Found on another forum too that states now from the writers that we will not know how Henry was adopted this season which I thought was strange because I thought they stated in season two we would find out. It seems the writers say one thing and do another lately in my opinion.

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    • HappyEndings wrote:
      Found on another forum too that states now from the writers that we will not know how Henry was adopted this season which I thought was strange because I thought they stated in season two we would find out. It seems the writers say one thing and do another lately in my opinion.

      They never said, Henry's arrival in Storybrooke, would be featured in Season 2. Only that they plan on eventually telling that story. Another thing, the creators selved many ideas that were originally planned, for futures seasons.... ie: The Little Mermaid and Aladdin

      Welcome to Storybrooke will about the first day of the Dark Curse, when the fairytale characters arrived in our world. 

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    • HappyEndings wrote:
      I saw a photo of MM meeting Red and Red was dressed in black lace and hot pants it looked like she was kind of a hooker look.

      I will never be unable to see this if that is the case. And technically that's Ruby not Red.

      As for Owen and Ben(which are clearly a reference to Owen Wilson and Ben Stiller) We will see.

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    • That's just how people dressed in the 80's. Her hair was also VERY teased... it's how a "rebellious teen" would have dressed then.

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    • I meant it in a good way because I been curious about it for a while.

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    • I WANT HIM TO BE ACCUALLY BACK :( 


      I MISS HIM SO MUCH 


      CAN'T THEY BRING HIM BACK!!?!


      ANY SINGLE BIZZAR WAY THEY CAN?!?! 

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    • Why are you yelling?

      Graham is dead, he cannot come back. Besides, in most retellings of Snow White, the Evil Queen kills the Huntsman.... OUaT actually stuck to the story.

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    • Just looked at some pictures...It looks amazing!Also, for the Ben and Owen thing I guess we will see.Maybe it will either be the Huntsman or Hook

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    • 67.233.68.196 wrote:
      Just looked at some pictures...It looks amazing!Also, for the Ben and Owen thing I guess we will see.Maybe it will either be the Huntsman or Hook

      No, Ben and Owen are outsiders.... Josh Dallas confirmed it, already.

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    • Eddiefunny wrote:
      I think the episode might start with the 80s scene with Regina experiencing the first day of the curse, the day she was finally happy.

      And this is likely the ep where we see Henry arrive by August Booth hopefully. That of course is 19 years after 1983. So I wonder how there going to do that.

      There's one thing I don't understand? How come Storybrooke looks modern when they came there in the 80s. Henry said nothing ages or changes, so shouldn't it still look like hte 80s.

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    • SnowCharming21 wrote: There's one thing I don't understand? How come Storybrooke looks modern when they came there in the 80s. Henry said nothing ages or changes, so shouldn't it still look like hte 80s.

      We haven't seen 80s Storybrooke yet, though. However, I always felt like Storybrooke looks... old? Like, as if it needed a facelift XD. Some of the store fronts we saw in season one had an old feel.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      SnowCharming21 wrote: There's one thing I don't understand? How come Storybrooke looks modern when they came there in the 80s. Henry said nothing ages or changes, so shouldn't it still look like hte 80s.

      We haven't seen 80s Storybrooke yet, though. However, I always felt like Storybrooke looks... old? Like, as if it needed a facelift XD. Some of the store fronts we saw in season one had an old feel.

      Maybe if it shows what it looked like in the '80's or the '70's, it could show Regina with an affro.

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    • What I've been wondering is the ages of the characters. I mean, Henry has literally grown up in Storybrooke, but did the other children do the same? Or were they the same age the whole 28 years. It just feels like they are all frozen in age, yet Henry is getting older.

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    • 99.130.188.83 wrote: What I've been wondering is the ages of the characters. I mean, Henry has literally grown up in Storybrooke, but did the other children do the same? Or were they the same age the whole 28 years. It just feels like they are all frozen in age, yet Henry is getting older.

      That's the whole point. Henry said it, several times in the early episodes of Season One, that every was frozen in time. Nobody aged but him.

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    • So first day of the curse and will Gold be dressed like a hippie?

      Sorry just trying to break the tension.

      Though Gold dressed as hippie. LOL

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    • 101.173.170.158 wrote:
      So first day of the curse and will Gold be dressed like a hippie?

      Sorry just trying to break the tension.

      Though Gold dressed as hippie. LOL

      Hippies are more known as a 60's and 70's icon. Besides suits are timeless, no?

      I really hope the custume department goes all out for this episode, I can just see it, Regina wearing humongus shoulder pads and big hair.

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    • No shoulder pads or big hair. Lana was pushing for it, but they shot her down. :(


      I'm really not interested in this episode. I really don't care to see Regina gloating and seeing poor Snow lonely and depressed again. :( No fun.

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    • You forget time stood still....people can't look younger then they are now, they didn't grow old in Storybrooke except Henry, since he's unnafected by the curse. For all others...time stood still

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    • Considering time stood still, wouldn't people have noticed something was wrong? Also, those children in Henry's school must feel weird now. They were 10 or 11 years old and repeating the same grade for 28 years.

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    • 121.216.206.216 wrote: Considering time stood still, wouldn't people have noticed something was wrong? Also, those children in Henry's school must feel weird now. They were 10 or 11 years old and repeating the same grade for 28 years.

      Nobody noticed because of the CURSE. They lived in a haze. This is all explained early in Season One by Henry Mills.

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    • You all are forgetting something! Henry can not have arrived to Storybrooke via August because Rumple doesn't recognize August when August tries to use the dagger to control the Dark One. Unless there was a trade or hand off. And even then, I don't think August would voluntarily allow the son of their savior to be adopted by the Evil Queen. I am thinking Rumple had stashed away some magically trinkets just like Regina did - stuff he could use while the curse was still active.

      Anyone have any theories as to what Henry is going to do to try and stop magic? Henry's been wanting to be a Hero and obviously wants to at least visit FTL.

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    • 76.17.214.172 wrote:

      Anyone have any theories as to what Henry is going to do to try and stop magic? Henry's been wanting to be a Hero and obviously wants to at least visit FTL.

      He got his hands on a stack of dynamite with which he wants to destroy the Wishing Well,where Rumple brought back magic.How did he got the dynamite,that's a good question.

      He really is his fathers son,couldn't even deny it,trying to stop magic and all.

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    • Just so everyone knows, the creators/executive producers of the show confirmed in a podcast that Rumple was also cursed for the entire 28 years up until Emmas arrival. When Emma says her name to Granny, Rumple overhears it and this releases him from the curse. Emmas name was the key to freeing him just like it was written on the paper to break Emma/Snow/Mulan/Aurora from Rumples cell. That being said, Rumple could not have known when he was arranging the adoption that Henry was the savior's son. The only person within Storybrooke that does not have a cursed persona and can freely leave Storybrooke at anytime prior to Emma's arrival is Regina herself. (also confirmed by the creators in the podcast)

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    • Endy489 wrote:
       The only person within Storybrooke that does not have a cursed persona and can freely leave Storybrooke at anytime prior to Emma's arrival is Regina herself. (also confirmed by the creators in the podcast)

      And Jefferson!maybe he had something to do with Henry's adoption.

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    • Fire Pearl wrote:
      And Jefferson!maybe he had something to do with Henry's adoption.

      Well he actually had his cursed life and his fairytale life in his head at the same time, the same thing that happened to everyone else in town post-curse only Jefferson had to live with it for 28 years during the curse. Although he would have been the only person to know who Regina was during the curse, he may not have been able to actually leave Storybrooke. Anyone trying to leave during the curse would be injured somehow. Regina of course could have been the cause of this and just allowed Jeffererson to leave.

      None of this really explains the biggest mystery surrounding Henry's adoption though. With Gold being cursed we have no idea how it happened to be Henry, the saviors son of all children, to be the child Regina chose for adoption. It has to be the work of a character not yet introduced, or possbily August...its really up in the air

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    • You know it could have just been fate that allowed Regina to adopt Henry, instead of  many other children who are put up for adoption. It not always the case where you have to make a complicated explanation for everything that happens on the show.

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    • 101.173.170.158 wrote:
      So first day of the curse and will Gold be dressed like a hippie?

      Sorry just trying to break the tension.

      Though Gold dressed as hippie. LOL

      If we get to see Mr.Gold on the 2nd day of the Dark Curse, he will be wearing the exact same thing he was wearing in the Pilot episode when he meets Emma and is there to collect the rent from Granny. All of them, except Regina, will be dressed exactly as they were dressed on the 2nd day of the Dark Curse. We know this was the 2nd Day of the Dark Curse as it was Emma's 2nd day in Storybrooke when she met Mr.Gold and Mary Margret.

      Emma and Storybrooke were born, or came into existence in OUR world on the same day. Which means that the 1st day of the Dark Curse was also Emma's first day of life, or her birthday in 1983. Which I believe is about to be revealed to us through a newspaper date in tomorrow's episode, as some had expected, as the launch date of the series itself. Sunday, October 23, 1983, making Henry's birthday, Tuesday, October 23, 2001. Now, the Pilot actually points to a Sunday, Sept 11th premier launch and not an October 23rd. But this is what they got stuck with for some reason and had to go with, but that's a subject for another thread as I can not get Adam or Eddie to answer my question.

      Storybrooke had been repeating the same "year", over and over. The Fall (Oct, 23) of 1983 to the Fall (Oct.23) of 1984 and then back again to do it all over again. Repeating the same day would not have been fun for Regina and would have eventually drove her insane. A solid year had to repeat to keep the "frozen in time" statement true. It also had to be a full year in order for Henry to have received the education that he had thus far.

      What we see in the promo above, featuring Mary Margret in her classroom, is (Day 2 of 365) in 1983. It is the first time of 27 more times, she will repeat that very day, exactly. Storybrooke did not exist 2 days before this. Mary Margret, as well as everyone else, still have 363 days to repeat, until the annual reset, which occurs on Sunday, October 23rd, every year, which is Emma's and Henry's birthday as well. 

      In the Pilot episode, we see Mary Margret, again on (Day 2 of 365), but in 2011, doing the same exact thing except this time Emma walks into the classroom on her 2nd day in Storybrooke. It would be the last time anyone repeats anything as Emma starts time in Storybrooke that night when she takes her room key from Granny's hand. (NOTE: The full moon to the left of the clock tower that you ALL missed at the end. They sneak it by.That Full moon and Ruby & Granny's fight give away the "TRUE" date to the Pilot episode.)

      We all were witnessing the (28th) first night of the Dark Curse in the Pilot episode as Emma returns Henry to Regina and stops in the middle of the street to meet Archie walking home. If for any reason tomorrow's episode takes us down Main St. around midnite in Storybrooke on the 1st night of the Dark Curse,... we will find Archie, wearing the exact same thing, walking home with Pongo again,........ or, well for the first time in 1983.

      Emma's 28th birthday was important to the writers. As it would synchronize, identically, the calendars of October, 2011, and October 1983. Our calendar system repeats itself, naturally, every 28 years. THIS IS WHY Emma's 28th birthday. It was to set up the time structure in the series and to alleviate any chances of Henry's situation becoming a "Walt's situation" from LOST. Meaning not having Henry stay 10yrs old for four seasons. And also to exist in two different time periods under the exact same days of the calendar. Storybrooke on the same day in 1983 mirroring us on the same day in 2011,.... which has now become 1985 and 2013.

      But, I could be wrong......... (not) Let's see how close I come tomorrow.

      Orig' theory at:  Userblogcomment:Mtensmey/Plot_Holes_That_Will_Probably_Never_Be_Addressed/@comment-AtDoc-20120917202214


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    • AtDoc wrote:
      101.173.170.158 wrote:
      So first day of the curse and will Gold be dressed like a hippie?

      Sorry just trying to break the tension.

      Though Gold dressed as hippie. LOL

      If we get to see Mr.Gold on the 2nd day of the Dark Curse, he will be wearing the exact same thing he was wearing in the Pilot episode when he meets Emma and is there to collect the rent from Granny. All of them, except Regina, will be dressed exactly as they were dressed on the 2nd day of the Dark Curse. We know this was the 2nd Day of the Dark Curse as it was Emma's 2nd day in Storybrooke when she met Mr.Gold and Mary Margret.

      Emma and Storybrooke were born, or came into existence in OUR world on the same day. Which means that the 1st day of the Dark Curse was also Emma's first day of life, or her birthday in 1983. Which I believe is about to be revealed to us through a newspaper date in tomorrow's episode, as some had expected, as the launch date of the series itself. Sunday, October 23, 1983, making Henry's birthday, Tuesday, October 23, 2001. Now, the Pilot actually points to a Sunday, Sept 11th premier launch and not an October 23rd. But this is what they got stuck with for some reason and had to go with, but that's a subject for another thread as I can not get Adam or Eddie to answer my question.

      Storybrooke had been repeating the same "year", over and over. The Fall (Oct, 23) of 1983 to the Fall (Oct.23) of 1984 and then back again to do it all over again. Repeating the same day would not have been fun for Regina and would have eventually drove her insane. A solid year had to repeat to keep the "frozen in time" statement true. It also had to be a full year in order for Henry to have received the education that he had thus far.

      What we see in the promo above, featuring Mary Margret in her classroom, is (Day 2 of 365) in 1983. It is the first time of 27 more times, she will repeat that very day, exactly. Storybrooke did not exist 2 days before this. Mary Margret, as well as everyone else, still have 363 days to repeat, until the annual reset, which occurs on Sunday, October 23rd, every year, which is Emma's and Henry's birthday as well. 

      In the Pilot episode, we see Mary Margret, again on (Day 2 of 365), but in 2011, doing the same exact thing except this time Emma walks into the classroom on her 2nd day in Storybrooke. It would be the last time anyone repeats anything as Emma starts time in Storybrooke that night when she takes her room key from Granny's hand. (NOTE: The full moon to the left of the clock tower that you ALL missed at the end. They sneak it by.That Full moon and Ruby & Granny's fight give away the date to the Pilot episode.)

      We all were witnessing the (28th) first night of the Dark Curse in the Pilot episode as Emma returns Henry to Regina and stops in the middle of the street to meet Archie walking home. If for any reason tomorrow's episode takes us down Main St. around midnite in Storybrooke on the 1st night of the Dark Curse,... we will find Archie, wearing the exact same thing, walking home with Pongo again,........ or, well for the first time in 1983.

      Emma's 28th birthday was important to the writers. As it would synchronize, identically, the calendars of October, 2011, and October 1983. Our calendar system repeats itself, naturally, every 28 years. THIS IS WHY Emma's 28th birthday. It was to set up the time structure in the series and to alleviate any chances of Henry's situation becoming a "Walt's situation" from LOST. Meaning not having Henry stay 10yrs old for four seasons. And also to exist in two different time periods under the exact same days of the calendar. Storybrooke on the same day in 1983 mirroring us on the same day in 2011,.... which has now become 1985 and 2013.

      But, I could be wrong......... (not) Let's see how close I come tomorrow.

      Orig' theory at:  Userblogcomment:Mtensmey/Plot_Holes_That_Will_Probably_Never_Be_Addressed/@comment-AtDoc-20120917202214


      I agree with your threory, it would make sense that the year continues to repeat over and over again. Since their is no way to be able to properly give Henry an education, if it is was just the day that is stuck in repeat.

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    • I'm wondering what happened on the 29th of February 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008 and 2012

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      I'm wondering what happened on the 29th of February 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008 and 2012

      That is the absolute Genius of using our repeating calendar system to track time in this type of show, telling this type of story. As long Storybrooke remains 28 years in the past, the calendars will remain identical,... even through the leap years. Case in point; In season one, "Skin Deep" aired on Sunday, Feb.,12, 2012. Storybrooke scenes open with Mr.Gold confronting Moe French on a Monday, Feb.,13th, with Moe claiming "Tomorrow's Valentine's Day!... It's the biggest day of... I've got a grand in roses in the back! STOP!... You've got to let me sell them!". Moe is referring to Tuesday, Feb.,14th being Valentine's Day. If you look at February 14th, 2012, it will match February 14th, 1984. Both! 2012 and 1984 are "Leap Years". So the writers will not suffer any anomalies in time, even through the Leap Years as long as they stay as close as possible to this time structuring that they set up in the Pilot episode. It's Brilliant!

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    • I think, Henry coming in the hand's of rumple was just  the curse's design. the curse was designed to be broken by saviour, saviour has to come to SB, and Henry was just the thing that drew her there. It could have been anything else,but I think  curse chose Henry , coz its very difficult  usually for  a mother to ignore their son, even if they have not seen them since birth.


      Edit: Your calender Theory is brilliant, and time repeating happening at a year basis instead of daily basis like groundhog day is also amazing. Because that would explain Henry advancing towards classes and actually learning anything in school. It would explain a lot of thing. If it was stuck on a day by day basis, people would be wearing same clothes every single day, Henry would be having same lesson everyday, everyone would be saying the same thing everyday. It would also explain Regina getting lonely after 18 years with no change to see, ever. and yes like you said why the curse took 28 years to break.

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    • Its actually questionable as to what Gold did or didn't know when he found Henry for adoption. After all He apparently had his memories before Emma broke the curse (S1-E12). And considering the power he has to forsee the future and all the free time he had while he was in the prison/cave back in the Enchanted forest.

      Its possible that he might've had enough time to map out enough of Emma's life and subsequently Henry's to know when/where to look when Henry was placed in the foster system. Its also possible that Gold got Henry for Regina knowing that Henry ended up playing in order to break the curse. The only way we'll know for sure is if they go into it in the next ep or so.

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    • I have two questions about the annual reset "system".

      1) How come we saw the same day three times while Kurt and Owen were still there?

      2) What about Ashley? She was about to give birth to Alexandra few days after the curse was cast, so at the beginning of the "annual" time loop. She gave birth to her daughter each year and then time was reset and had to do it all over again? If so, Mr. Gold set her up for adoption each time?

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    • 24.255.202.249 wrote:
      Its actually questionable as to what Gold did or didn't know when he found Henry for adoption. After all He apparently had his memories before Emma broke the curse (S1-E12).

      Gold didn't have his memories until Emma said her name to Granny in the first episode and Gold overheard it. This was confirmed by the creators in their podcast.

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      I have two questions about the annual reset "system".

      This theory was interesting but it was confirmed last night that it was on a daily loop, not annual.

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    • Let me just say,I loved seeing the old Regina come back... When she was talking to snow about her heart and put it back in and said, "Get off my porch" I just loved it

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    • Oh, I loved Regina all over the episode, Lana did an a-ma-zing acting job. I've been like "Regina, screw Owen and screw Henry and adopt me!" all the time. She's been so fantastic she even distracted me from Graham.

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    • @ Endy: but how come they were wearing different clothes then?

      How did Henry advance through classes then?


      I think it is possible that everything remained the same, since people usually follow a routine everyday in their lives as well, but were still stuck in one time point, meaning they did not age a day, or gained more experience in one yr, they just kept repeating the stuff. Like day 2s will always be same for 28 yrs. But they won't change or age physically.

      Regarding ruby, she always fought with granny even after Emma came and on similar theme.

      Else How could Gus repair the auto of Kurt?

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    • Rubelle wrote:
      I think, Henry coming in the hand's of rumple was just  the curse's design. the curse was designed to be broken by saviour, saviour has to come to SB, and Henry was just the thing that drew her there. It could have been anything else,but I think  curse chose Henry , coz its very difficult  usually for  a mother to ignore their son, even if they have not seen them since birth.


      Edit: Your calender Theory is brilliant, and time repeating happening at a year basis instead of daily basis like groundhog day is also amazing. Because that would explain Henry advancing towards classes and actually learning anything in school. It would explain a lot of thing. If it was stuck on a day by day basis, people would be wearing same clothes every single day, Henry would be having same lesson everyday, everyone would be saying the same thing everyday. It would also explain Regina getting lonely after 18 years with no change to see, ever. and yes like you said why the curse took 28 years to break.

      In most cases I would agree with you, but in this case we're dealing with Emma. In the Pilot episode Emma is in such complete denial of Henry, having been blind sided like that, that there was no way she was going to acknowlegde him in any way.

      Her main goal was to get him back to where he belonged as fast as she could ("This is not a road trip kid, we're not stopping for snacks!") So much so that she couldn't even bring herself to call him by his name, Henry. She called him "Kid". So much so, that there was no way she was even going to wish him a "Happy Birthday"  They share the same birthday and what mother forgets the day she gave birth to her only child? She didn't even offer him her cupcake that she had just lit for herself. Major denial, major refusal!... Have to get him home, as soon as possible and "Bail" (no pun intended)

      But, I do agree with you that other forces were at work since the Pilot episode. Emma escaped the Dark Curse at birth, so Storybrooke had no hold on her in any way. She has always been free to come and go as Henry has always said. So that first night, when she attempted to leave, it wasn't the Dark Curse that kept her from leaving, because it coudn't. That wolf in the road was the work of "fate, destiny, call it what you want".... borrowing from Neal, but, I believe that we'll find out,....or, perhaps we've already been told by Neal that Henry was produced by "fate" in his conversation with Emma in the bar scene.

      Neal didn't know about Henry and still believed that he and Emma coming together was fate, and that something good had to come from it, as he told Emma. Emma in denial, again, tells him "No,... I just went to jail."

      I have a strong feeling that the writers will use fate to explain Henry's arrival to Storybrooke despite who was responsible for his transportation to Storybrooke. My beef has always been the contradiction in logistics as to how Mr.Gold could have procured Henry when he didn't have any memories of his master plan, and wouldn't have for another 10 years after Henry's arrival to Storybrooke.

      Gold gets his memories in the Pilot episode on Emma's second day in Storybrooke. At which time Henry has already lived and aged for 10 years,... has already received the Book and has studied it for a month,... has already found his bio-mother online,... has caught a GreyHound bus out of Storybrooke to Boston and returned with her a whole day before Gold gets his memories. How could he have procured Henry?

      I'm forced to go with the Blue Fairy, who we know has had her memories all along. August tells Rumple the Blue Fairy told him about who he was and about the Dagger and this was way before Emma breaks the Dark Curse. She is the only one with ties to the outside through August and the only one that knew of Baelfire's existence and what had happened to him.

      Well, hopefully it is something that they've come up with that will make it believable. And thanks for the chat!....



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    • 24.255.202.249 wrote:
      Its actually questionable as to what Gold did or didn't know when he found Henry for adoption. After all He apparently had his memories before Emma broke the curse (S1-E12). And considering the power he has to forsee the future and all the free time he had while he was in the prison/cave back in the Enchanted forest.

      Its possible that he might've had enough time to map out enough of Emma's life and subsequently Henry's to know when/where to look when Henry was placed in the foster system. Its also possible that Gold got Henry for Regina knowing that Henry ended up playing in order to break the curse. The only way we'll know for sure is if they go into it in the next ep or so.

      Well, according to the writers, Rumple was under the Dark Curse and couldn't leave SB right up until Emma's 2nd day in Storybrooke. Henry's already 10 by then.

      You bring up another interesting point. Henry was in Storybrooke within 3 weeks of his birth. That's awfully quick for a newborn isn't it?

      Agreed, the only way to know is if they go there...

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      I have two questions about the annual reset "system".

      1) How come we saw the same day three times while Kurt and Owen were still there?

      2) What about Ashley? She was about to give birth to Alexandra few days after the curse was cast, so at the beginning of the "annual" time loop. She gave birth to her daughter each year and then time was reset and had to do it all over again? If so, Mr. Gold set her up for adoption each time?

      I believe we saw different days as they had different clothes each day.

      Not exactly,... Ashley didn't give birth to Alexandra til Emma came to Storybrooke and "Started time" It was Emma's 6th day in Storybrooke when Ashley goes into labor. Which means that Ashley was just under a week due when the Dark Curse hits, freezing her in age 6 days before her labor. So poor Ashley simply walked around frozen in age and not being able to deliver because of it. Only when Emma came and started time was Ashley allowed to age the 6 days she needed to deliver. Lol! That's brutal!...

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    • AtDoc wrote:
      24.255.202.249 wrote:
      Its actually questionable as to what Gold did or didn't know when he found Henry for adoption. After all He apparently had his memories before Emma broke the curse (S1-E12). And considering the power he has to forsee the future and all the free time he had while he was in the prison/cave back in the Enchanted forest.

      Its possible that he might've had enough time to map out enough of Emma's life and subsequently Henry's to know when/where to look when Henry was placed in the foster system. Its also possible that Gold got Henry for Regina knowing that Henry ended up playing in order to break the curse. The only way we'll know for sure is if they go into it in the next ep or so.

      Well, according to the writers, Rumple was under the Dark Curse and couldn't leave SB right up until Emma's 2nd day in Storybrooke. Henry's already 10 by then.

      You bring up another interesting point. Henry was in Storybrooke within 3 weeks of his birth. That's awfully quick for a newborn isn't it?

      Agreed, the only way to know is if they go there...

      I think I will agree with spy and add more. Rumple has  agood idea of how the future will possibly play out, and hence it is very much possible for him to play out the his plans, leave himself enough clues, which will direct him to Henry FTL memory or not.


      BTW: Henry coming to SB at 3 weeks age makes it seem really weird at times the relation between him and Regina. In the pilot, he quite aggressively responds to Regina about how he found his "real" mom.

      As for the welcome to storybroke epi, there has been a bit of blooper considering Regina's hair. In the pilot, she had pixie cut shorter hair, which starts to grow throughout the season eventually be the shape it is now. But in epi 17, I saw she had the same hair she has now , ie present SB.

      Even if it not a blooper, i liked her in the hairstyle.

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    • AtDoc wrote:
      In most cases I would agree with you, but in this case we're dealing with Emma. In the Pilot episode Emma is in such complete denial of Henry, having been blind sided like that, that there was no way she was going to acknowlegde him in any way.

      Her main goal was to get him back to where he belonged as fast as she could ("This is not a road trip kid, we're not stopping for snacks!") So much so that she couldn't even bring herself to call him by his name, Henry. She called him "Kid". So much so, that there was no way she was even going to wish him a "Happy Birthday"  They share the same birthday and what mother forgets the day she gave birth to her only child? She didn't even offer him her cupcake that she had just lit for herself. Major denial, major refusal!... Have to get him home, as soon as possible and "Bail" (no pun intended)

      But, I do agree with you that other forces were at work since the Pilot episode. Emma escaped the Dark Curse at birth, so Storybrooke had no hold on her in any way. She has always been free to come and go as Henry has always said. So that first night, when she attempted to leave, it wasn't the Dark Curse that kept her from leaving, because it coudn't. That wolf in the road was the work of "fate, destiny, call it what you want".... borrowing from Neal, but, I believe that we'll find out,....or, perhaps we've already been told by Neal that Henry was produced by "fate" in his conversation with Emma in the bar scene.

      Neal didn't know about Henry and still believed that he and Emma coming together was fate, and that something good had to come from it, as he told Emma. Emma in denial, again, tells him "No,... I just went to jail."

      I have a strong feeling that the writers will use fate to explain Henry's arrival to Storybrooke despite who was responsible for his transportation to Storybrooke. My beef has always been the contradiction in logistics as to how Mr.Gold could have procured Henry when he didn't have any memories of his master plan, and wouldn't have for another 10 years after Henry's arrival to Storybrooke.

      Gold gets his memories in the Pilot episode on Emma's second day in Storybrooke. At which time Henry has already lived and aged for 10 years,... has already received the Book and has studied it for a month,... has already found his bio-mother online,... has caught a GreyHound bus out of Storybrooke to Boston and returned with her a whole day before Gold gets his memories. How could he have procured Henry?

      I'm forced to go with the Blue Fairy, who we know has had her memories all along. August tells Rumple the Blue Fairy told him about who he was and about the Dagger and this was way before Emma breaks the Dark Curse. She is the only one with ties to the outside through August and the only one that knew of Baelfire's existence and what had happened to him.

      Well, hopefully it is something that they've come up with that will make it believable. And thanks for the chat!....



      We are forgetting, Emma in the pilot was a free bird, who started over post neal. gave her baby up never thinking she would see him  again, totally gave her claim on him and rebuilt her life where Nothing of Neal remains. Beside I think adoption rules are quite strict and a birth mother cannot just jackknife into the child's life, there are many complications regarding it.  She was young, in jail, she probably does not remember the exact date henry was born. Her reluctance was obvious. Here was a piece of her life, which she no longer wishes to acknowledge and which itself has a very legitimate history and she has to deal with it, a grown up 10 yr old boy all of a sudden. But soon enough, she did get attached to Henry and that too quite quickly. I mean when she was talking to Regina and Henry overheard, she could have just apologised and moved on, but she decided to stay .

      It can be debated though, the moment she stepped in, her connections to Story brooke revived, ties of magic started to come in play( Rumple remembering his name), and it became difficult for her to leave.

      Emma lied to Neal. She had no intention of letting Neal know about Henry. I think she did it on purpose rather than be on denial. She was quite angry and mad at Neal. Considering how closed off she is, that she did not even  recognise her parents for quite a while,  I think its possible.

      Regina hated BF, she was instrumental in her capture and also other problems, how come  she let BF retain her memory and not his mentor rumple? I think august lied all about his encounter with BF. HE knew who baelfire was, so he probably knew of the  estrangement and the dagger of dark one too. Remember dagger of dark one was quite well known info in FTL.


      As I said in my earlier post, Gold prolly mapped every event, tied the event strings in such a way that he got hold of  the Saviours kid. Also the fact the child was related to him by blood, may have some latent, inexplainable magical ties and influence about it. Regina tried to retain Owen before, did not work, how did this one work out so well. Even when there was no magic, there was magic it seems.


      Thank you for the discussion too.

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    • @Rubelle,

      Wow, I missed that! I'll have to go back and check that out. The only "oops" I noticed in that scene was Mary Margret's earrings. In the orig' clip she has no earrings on, but when they switch to the recently filmed scenes, MM suddenly has earrings on.  8^)P

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    • ^^And I did not notice it at all. :)

      I noticed Regina's hair coz I sort of dislike her hair now and her first impression in SB, in that amazing hair was everlasting on me. got a girl crush on her. She looked strong confident and kickass . They should make her wear more dresses and in those color instead of the pant suits and bland skirt suits.

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    • Endy489 wrote:
      GothicNarcissus wrote:
      I have two questions about the annual reset "system".
      This theory was interesting but it was confirmed last night that it was on a daily loop, not annual.

      I think if it was on a daily loop they would have worn the same clothes daily. However, I did say that if they were repeating the same day, it would eventually drive Regina insane, which it did. It is possible that they are doing the same thing every day but with different clothes. Ha!,...Kinda like real life!?.... lol! This is 18 years before Henry comes, so perhaps she made some adjustments along the way. Remember, this was for Regina's victory, so I'm sure there were adjustments here and there to suit her needs.

      But once Henry arrived, it would be impossible for him to be educated on a daily loop, so perhaps it's at that time that she makes adjustments for that....

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    • Rubelle wrote:
      ^^And I did not notice it at all. :)

      I noticed Regina's hair coz I sort of dislike her hair now and her first impression in SB, in that amazing hair was everlasting on me. got a girl crush on her. She looked strong confident and kickass . They should make her wear more dresses and in those color instead of the pant suits and bland skirt suits.

      Lana is a very beautiful woman and most of the styles they use on her work for the most part. But there was one that dropped my jaw for some reason and stood out beyond the rest. Surprisingly, it was the first one we all get to see her in as the Evil Queen. But it really didn't strike me the same until I saw that style without all the black lace accents on her head. It was the pony tail that comes off of the top of her head and flows down and she was looking at herself in the mirror wearing a blue velvet looking number in FTL. Unbelievable!, Stunning. That was it for me! lol!...

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    • AtDoc wrote:
      Rubelle wrote:
      ^^And I did not notice it at all. :)

      I noticed Regina's hair coz I sort of dislike her hair now and her first impression in SB, in that amazing hair was everlasting on me. got a girl crush on her. She looked strong confident and kickass . They should make her wear more dresses and in those color instead of the pant suits and bland skirt suits.

      Lana is a very beautiful woman and most of the styles they use on her work for the most part. But there was one that dropped my jaw for some reason and stood out beyond the rest. Surprisingly, it was the first one we all get to see her in as the Evil Queen. But it really didn't strike me the same until I saw that style without all the black lace accents on her head. It was the pony tail that comes off of the top of her head and flows down and she was looking at herself in the mirror wearing a blue velvet looking number in FTL. Unbelievable!, Stunning. That was it for me! lol!...

      Actually I do not feel her in the severe dresses they give her these days with this hair. her FTL counterpart is obviously extremely glam and beautiful, but immediately after seeing the evil queen, when I saw her in te pilot, running towards Henry, I was struck.

      maybe its coz I love the cut and can never get it because my face structure. But that look, the dress and the makeup was perfect.

      But the dresses she wore in storybrooke are Rocking and nowadays she gets very severe dresses.

      Oh and in between, Emma ie Jennifer was wearing some nicer clothes( around cricket game) but she is back to being dressed like in her initial days.

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    • I kept thinking about that and my best guess is that the curse is kind of able to "adjust" to the current situation, or the alterations made by non-cursed people. Which is, Regina's actions, outsiders' presence and possibly also the time of the year (I strongly doubt they'd wear coats in summer). Perhaps the little variations such as clothing, or Henry being able to learn, were given by the "interaction" of the curse with these different occourrences.

      Also, I remember reading somewhere that supplies were delivered to the town from outside: do I remember correctly? Because in that case, that could have "moified" some days in the loop as well.

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:

      Also, I remember reading somewhere that supplies were delivered to the town from outside: do I remember correctly? Because in that case, that could have "moified" some days in the loop as well.

      hmm... No, I think that was just a theory, since no one from Storybrooke can leave, and no one frome the outside can actually see Storybrooke.

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    • Self sustaining bubble.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      GothicNarcissus wrote:

      Also, I remember reading somewhere that supplies were delivered to the town from outside: do I remember correctly? Because in that case, that could have "moified" some days in the loop as well.

      hmm... No, I think that was just a theory, since no one from Storybrooke can leave, and no one frome the outside can actually see Storybrooke.

      That's really not an accurate statement though, is it? I mean in the pilot episode Henry catches a Grey Hound bus out of Storybrooke to Boston. And then Emma has her belongings shipped to Storybooke from Boston right to Mary Margrets front door. And if that were totally true, why have "Welcome to Storybrooke" signs that only point in the direction of entering traffic? Why have signs at all?... It's more likely we just saw Regina using magic to shield them from that particular situation.

      There's also one more thing that's always bothered me about that understanding. In the Pilot episode when Henry tells Emma where he lives,"Storybrooke, Maine", Emma reacts as though she knows where it is and never asks Henry "Where is that, kid?"....  They just jump into the VW and go.

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    • How did Storybrooke get the mobile phones that were used during season 1?

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    • AtDoc wrote: That's really not an accurate statement though, is it? I mean in the pilot episode Henry catches a Grey Hound bus out of Storybrooke to Boston. And then Emma has her belongings shipped to Storybooke from Boston right to Mary Margrets front door. And if that were totally true, why have "Welcome to Storybrooke" signs that only point in the direction of entering traffic? Why have signs at all?... It's more likely we just saw Regina using magic to shield them from that particular situation.

      There's also one more thing that's always bothered me about that understanding. In the Pilot episode when Henry tells Emma where he lives,"Storybrooke, Maine", Emma reacts as though she knows where it is and never asks Henry "Where is that, kid?"....  They just jump into the VW and go.

      Why does she need to ask where it is? She knows where Maine is, and GPS is a thing. Why have signs? It's part of a normal town. We also don't know where Henry caught his bus. Maybe he got on in Storybrooke, maybe he got on in the next town over, etc. Henry's also a special exception when it comes to the Curse. As for Emma getting her belongings... self sustaining bubble, and the Curse was weakened at that time.

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    • Varc wrote: How did Storybrooke get the mobile phones that were used during season 1?

      The same way they got everything else :)

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      Varc wrote: How did Storybrooke get the mobile phones that were used during season 1?

      The same way they got everything else :)

      Imo, the curse. I think that, as every day is quite the same, and no one notices, the indispensable things that are invented/created in the Land Without Magic that would make a present time city believable magically appeared from a day to another, and the only ones that noticed (if there isn't anyone else who remembers), were Jefferson and Regina.

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    • Killian Jones wrote: Imo, the curse.

      That. Is. What. I. Just. Said. Way to make it look like some unique insight on your part, though :)

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    • The same way they got everything else :) Sorry if I'm mistaken, but I don't read the word "curse" there, and if you said it earlier, I'm sorry I didn't read every post above.


      Btw, I just now read the one you're talking about the curse lol When I talked about the curse I was quoting your latest comment, not the one above talking about the curse.

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    • AtDoc wrote:
      Killian Jones wrote:
      GothicNarcissus wrote:

      Also, I remember reading somewhere that supplies were delivered to the town from outside: do I remember correctly? Because in that case, that could have "moified" some days in the loop as well.

      hmm... No, I think that was just a theory, since no one from Storybrooke can leave, and no one frome the outside can actually see Storybrooke.
      That's really not an accurate statement though, is it? I mean in the pilot episode Henry catches a Grey Hound bus out of Storybrooke to Boston. And then Emma has her belongings shipped to Storybooke from Boston right to Mary Margrets front door. And if that were totally true, why have "Welcome to Storybrooke" signs that only point in the direction of entering traffic? Why have signs at all?... It's more likely we just saw Regina using magic to shield them from that particular situation.

      There's also one more thing that's always bothered me about that understanding. In the Pilot episode when Henry tells Emma where he lives,"Storybrooke, Maine", Emma reacts as though she knows where it is and never asks Henry "Where is that, kid?"....  They just jump into the VW and go.

      Hmmm... we actually didn't see Henry taking the bus in Storybrooke, or Emma's belongings arriving. I think that Henry took the bus in Maine (yeah, he could have walked to another part of maine, couldn't he?) and that Emma went to take her things to Maine (again, another part of Maine). And yes, I'm agreeing with Utter, not making this as my unique theory :)

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      Killian Jones wrote: Imo, the curse.

      That. Is. What. I. Just. Said. Way to make it look like some unique insight on your part, though :)

      LOLOLOL!.... You two crack me up! Hahhaa!

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    • AtDoc wrote: LOLOLOL!.... You two crack me up! Hahhaa!

      We try, we try ;)

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      AtDoc wrote: LOLOLOL!.... You two crack me up! Hahhaa!

      We try, we try ;)

      Yep, it's us pretending XD

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    • The Huntsman can come back. If Dr. Whale perfects his life-giving technique, we could have a Graham that actually can think.

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    • No, he can't. Daniel only worked as well as he did because he body was perfectly preserved. The whole point of that episode was to show us that people can't come back from the dead.

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    • YAY Graham is "coming back"! 

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    • Archiecricket wrote:
      YAY Graham is "coming back"! 

      No, Graham is not coming back.... he is dead. This was a reference to Welcome to Storybrooke.... or, did you not watch that episode?

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    • that's way I put 'coming back' in quotes because he is but isn't like we are going to see him again.

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    • Archiecricket wrote: that's way I put 'coming back' in quotes because he is but isn't like we are going to see him again.

      That statement makes no sense...

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    • sorry...I'm just happy that we get to see him again...that better...sorry it was confusing I tend to do that a lot. :)

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    • You do realize that the episode this thread is about aired over a month ago, right?

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    • was it with...didn't someone break into Regina's castle and he helped them get out? Who were they? I know he told them about the fact that his heart was ripped out.

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    • Yes, the Huntsman was in the season one finale, "A Land Without Magic", where he helped Prince Charming.

      However, and apparently you didn't lead the original post, this thread is talking about Graham in "Welcome to Storybrooke", where he appeared in the flashbacks.

      Since you seemed so excited about it, I'm rather confused that you're so unaware XD

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    • I did see that epsiode I just thought you guys were talking about another episode...sometimes I'm a slow learner sorry about that :)

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    • It happens :D At least it's all cleared up XD

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    • yup thanks ;)

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    • MY THEORY: Still gonna believe that Tinkerbell was the one who brought Baelfire back to our world, yet she could've made a deal with the Blue Fairy (those preparations, she talked about, flew to Neverland) to make sure the timing was right when she found out, Baelfire was in Neverland this whole time. So, in 1992. 8 years, during the curse, 12 years prior to Swanfire meeting, 21 years prior to Emma's arrival in Storybrooke. Baelfire escaped from Neverland with Tinkerbell. She tried to go back to Neverland, but knew Peter would be mad at her for taking Bae away without him knowing about it, because NOONE EVER LEAVES NEVERLAND WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION.

      Baelfire, just turned 15, now lives in New Jersey, homeless on the streets, accompanied by Tinkerbell??? 3 years later, he turns 18, changes his name, becomes Neal Cassidy. Worked as a Janitor in New Jersey, stole some watches, stashed them in a train station, but sent his girlfriend to jail, instead, because of August broke up SwanFire. Then, 11 years later, Bae turns out to be Neal, Emma is freaking out, Neal's shocked and Gold figure's it ALL out.

      If, Fate is what brought SwanFire together, and Henry was the cause of their breakup. (Still gonna think, Tinkerbell was the one who told August, Neal was Baelfire, Tink was protecting Bae, but didn't know Emma would fall pregant with a baby Henry) I guess, Gold was right afterall. FATE DOES HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR.

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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