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    16:20, May 23, 2017

    I don't get why so many people hate Hook now.

    I can see why people feel bad for Rumple and Belle, (so do I), but to just totally hate Hook.... Compared to what we've seen on the the show, Rumple has done worse things to people, I mean, he killed his own wife just because she loved someone else. I get that it was wrong of her to just leave him and her son (she should have gone about that more maturely), but to be killed for it. And just at the end of this last episode, Rumple threatend to kill Charming, Snow, Emma, and even Henry! (did anyone notice he looked directly at Henry when he deliverd that line? Like, "Ya, don't think you're pardoned anymore for just being a kid, I'm extremely pissed off this time".) I get conflicted over Rumple, sometimes I feel bad for him, and other times I'm like, "Eerr why do you have to be so evil?!"

    But for Hook, so far this is the only really bad thing we've seen him do, plus when you watch the episode it seems as though he never intended to kill Belle. 1. He would have done it when he had the gun pointed to her on his ship. 2. At the town line, I mean, he's a pirate, I think if he aimed to shoot her, he wouldn't have missed. (and he wasn't that far away) I think he purposley shot her just to make her fall over the line and lose her memories. Yes that's evil, but he still didn't kill her, as to other "villians" in the show who have killed multiple people.

    "Villians" cuz I feel like we havn't seen enough of Hook's backstory to specify him as a villian. Yes, he's a pirate, but erm, so is Jack Sparrow, and he's know as the good guy in PotC. And I feel like Hook and Jack are kind of similar, I don't know if Jack would hurt the love of his enemy to get revenge, but then again he did leave his love on a deserted island with nothing but a pistol with one shot in "On Stranger Tides".

    I don't know, I just don't see why everyone's so quick to hate Hook.

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    • I don't like his dirty mouth and he really doesn't add to the story at all, I will be glad when we get rid of him the pilot was on Snow White's family not on Hook.

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    • Personally for me it has nothing to do with Rumbelle...I wasn't impressed with his character from the get go...got nothing to do with being a villain or not having a backstory yet either. It's like they just took him out of The Pirates of the Carribbean instead of coming up with something original. He kind of just there for me...nothing special. 

      With that being said I can understand the hate coming from others...Rumbelle had a big following and even if you don't like Rumple...Belle was an innocent and it was Belle that Hook really hurt. Hook can say it was Rumple's heart  but never the less it was still Belle.

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    • Personally for me it has nothing to do with Rumbelle...I wasn't impressed with his character from the get go...got nothing to do with being a villain or not having a backstory yet either. It's like they just took him out of The Pirates of the Carribbean instead of coming up with something original. He kind of just there for me...nothing special.

      I too agree with Raveson77 on this.

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    • Captain Hook was around -loooooong- before PotC, and the character in the book, while not being -quite- so smarmy was certainly just as sarcastic and sneaky. If anything, PotC was incredibly unoriginal in their representation of pirates... Just my opinion.

      Give it time - I guarantee once they've developed Hook's backstory and given people something to feel sorry for or relate to, he'll get much less animosity.

      Honestly, though -I don't think he's as hated as you may think. The haters are just a lot more vocal. Really, he's quite a popular character... from what I've seen on other boards and in polls. They would've kept him as just a guest star if he wasn't received well by the public.

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    • As I understand he was already pegged to be a regular before he was even seen in an episode so that has nothing to do with his popularity.

      It doesn't really matter who came first PotC or Hook...the thing for me personally is that I've seen his particular character done before(and way too often in recent years...kind of like getting sick of seeing vampires). I don't hate him...I just don't find him interesting but like the OP said there is an increased amount of Hook hate out there due to fact he shot Belle and it's not about being vocal...Hookers and CaptainSwan have been  two of the most vocal groups on the internet...it's just that after recent events they have become outnumbered.

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    • ^ my post above Sorry about that...I wasn't logged in

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    • I also do not understand why people hate Hook, but are in love with Rumbelle. Do they forget that Rumple killed Milah? 

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    • Aren't most shows are screened by a panel before they decide whether or not to go forward with a concept? I could be wrong, but who knows.

      I just don't see nearly as much Hook hate as people seem to think there is.

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      And people seem to forget A LOT of what Rumple did, Prince. :-P It's a little frustrating *lol*

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    • i dont think it one of the other. you seem to think if you like rumebelle you hate hook. making rumple look worst doesnt make hook look better.

      for me i hate the way people like him just because the actor is hot. yes he is a very sexy irish man. but that shouldnt matter to the story.  people paired him up with emma saw chemistry where there was none. just because the actor is hot. if he wasnt hot no one would care. it doesnt bother me that he want to kill rumple for what he has done. who wouldnt. what i dont like about his character is that he will do what ever it take he doesnt care how many inoccent people he hurts. the first time he met belle he was going to kill her but it hit her first just because he could he didnt know that rumple had feeling for her she was just no use to him anymore so he was going to kill her.

      i also think the line between love and hate is very close. i love the character of hook. i love to hate him. every story needs a good villian. i just dont have rose tinted glasses on when he on the show.

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    • I think  it has nothing to do with Rumple, it more has to do with Hook hurting Belle is why people are upset. (Okay Hook did hurt Belle to get back at RUmple, but that goes without saying. )Believe it or not Belle is a popular character, and to see her be brought to the line of fire like is uncalled for. Belle never went out of her way to try to harm Hook in a physical or emotional level, and the only times she did harm him is because of self defense.

      Now Milah who left Rumple and abandon Bae without a note, and later blamed Rumple's cowardice for her abandoning him.  Through out that time she  didn't ask about Bae, or if she knew what happened she didn't use the magic bean to go where he was.  She was pretty horrible to him, but despite this knowledge I do agree Rumple did go to far in killing her. He could of  let go of his anger, and left Milah with the Bean and be reunited with Baefire instead he killed her. Loosing another chance of him being reunited with his son.

      I will say this now what Hook and Rumple did was equally bad, but I have to say Milah was asking for it by insulting an empowered Rumple. Not to say Belle wasn't doing her fair share of annoying Hook, but i think the situation is a bit different.

      To Aqua Mara Him taking Belle memories away isn't the only bad thing we seen him do he torched Archie for information and taking out Aurora heart. (Which by the way it wasn't even Cora idea, nor did it cross her mind to do.)  In my book that is some pretty horrible things.

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    • What you guys don't understand is that I think it is hypocrisy to dislike Hook but be fine with Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold. I am not saying you can only like one or the other.

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    • Oh I don't get me wrong Hook is a great character, and as a villain he does his job well.. Between you  and me I was happy to see Hook do something wrong, and "evil", and I hope we see it again. To me he is handsome Psycho. Okay I know that sounded wrong, but I can't help it.

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    • Well from what we have seen of his backstory so far, he has never been a “good” man, perhaps he never been shown to be as bad as Rumplestiltskin, but still never really a good man.  He is shown to be a bully and someone who has little respect for others, also he *is* a pirate and pirates aren't traditionally good people, maybe he could be a "good" pirate, but from his actions to date it doesn't seem that way.  He hurt Belle an innocent and loved character in order to get revenge; I also think he would have killed Belle if he thought that was the best way to get back at Rumple.   Added onto that, let’s not forget that he was going to kill Belle in the QoH backstory, not because she was in the way or even to get back at Rumple, but because he deemed her useless.  That isn’t exactly a recipe for love

      Maybe if he gets more of a backstory we will learn that he actually used to be a good guy, heck maybe he stole gold from greedy merchants and gave it to poor little orphans, but we don’t know that yet and from what we have to go on, he isn't made out that way.

      I personally don't *like* Hook, but I enjoy his character, he is an interesting to watch, but I can understand where some of hate is coming from.  

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    • for me i hate the way people like him just because the actor is hot. yes he is a very sexy irish man. but that shouldnt matter to the story.  people paired him up with emma saw chemistry where there was none. just because the actor is hot. if he wasnt hot no one would care. 

      Thank you!!! And I totally agree with you especially on  the fact of being paired up with Emma when there wasn't no chemistry is so right on.

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    • HappyEndings wrote:

      Thank you!!! And I totally agree with you especially on  the fact of being paired up with Emma when there wasn't no chemistry is so right on.

      Shippers will pair anyone together, unfortunately. They always claim subtext, or something along those lines.

      Hook constantly flirts with Emma, because he finds her to be a challenge. That is the extent of their chemistry.... save that the actors work well off each other. 


      Anyway, for me.... Hook is the villain, I love to hate. He is entertaining, yet utterly dispicable. What Hook did to Belle, was the most cowardly thing ever. He shot her in the back! Who shots a girl, in the back? 

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    • HappyEndings wrote:
      for me i hate the way people like him just because the actor is hot. yes he is a very sexy irish man. but that shouldnt matter to the story.  people paired him up with emma saw chemistry where there was none. just because the actor is hot. if he wasnt hot no one would care. 

      Thank you!!! And I totally agree with you especially on  the fact of being paired up with Emma when there wasn't no chemistry is so right on.

      I didn't see any chemistry there either but like I said in my earlier post I don't find Hook all that interesting to begin with...and I think that Cora makes a much better villain.

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    • Ok, lol.

      First, I totally agree with being angry at Hook for shooting Belle, I was really shocked when that happened, I thought from the commercial he was going to end up shooting Rumple. But I'm not really picking a side, I like the both characters, I'm just always conflicted over things they do, cuz one minute they're all dashing and the next they're super mean! lol. When I started this discussion, this was what I meant, like, why are people all of a sudden "hating" Hook and jumping to Rumple's side?

      I absolutly love PotC and Jack Sparrow, so of course I would find some similarities between them (excluding the liner, and get up, I'm talking personality). So just cuz Hook's a pirate, doesn't mean he's evil in the sense of that which we've seen on the show (Regina, Cora, Rumple). I'm not saying Hook can't be a bad guy, I'm not cheering on bad things he does (like taking Aurora's heart), I just think there's more layers to him than just villian or good guy. Maybe I just really want him to end up being good, lol, but analyzing his character from what we've seen so far, he seems more deep than people give him credit for. i.e- he did save Aurora's heart from being lost through space and time, granted he said he always wants a fair fight, but he seemed to only take the heart in the first place as a bargaining tool. Even if Cora had destroyed it somewhere along the way, I feel like that would have affected him, because of what happened to Milah. Which is why I also don't think he aimed to kill Belle at the town line. Which also goes along with, when he was going to kill her back in FL, he knocked her out first. Ok, now I'm not saying I support the guy killing people, but it does seem like he never wants to give them pain. So, I link him to Sparrow, because they're both pirates who seem to have a complicated past, they both have done despicable things, yet (we don't know yet for Hook, but hopefully) they both are technically good. 

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    • Well, if you think about it, Hook is one of the reasons that Rumpel became evil. He made Rumpel feel weak, and took his wife.

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    • Rumple was evil before Hook. He became evil as soon as he took the dagger.

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    • 98.114.235.92 wrote:
      Rumple was evil before Hook. He became evil as soon as he took the dagger.

      I think he was talking about when Rumple met Hook while he wasn't cursed or evil.  I personally believe though that Rumple would still be evil, that is the power of the Dark Ones curse.  Of course if Hook never took Milah maybe he never would have become cursed, but that's a whole other issue. :P

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    • As much as I agree the Rumple didn't turn evil l because of Hook. I do believe Hook can be considered one Rumple's sources of anger. It is by his anger where Rumple's loose control of himself.

      @Aqua Mare I don't consider Hook giving back Aurora heart, him saving it. Considering he did it during time where he and Cora were fighting Emma, Mulan, and Snow White. He used Aurora heart as a tactic to weaken his opponents, and give him and Cora a chance to defeat them. Which work since Mulan took the heart and left to return it to Aurora. (not before giving Emma and Snow White her sword that can reflect magic. )

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    • I know, thats what I said, he used it as a bargaining tool, though he did save it from being lost down the portal, thats where I meant he saved it.

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    • Most of the hate seems to be shipping related. Pretty much: "Hook tarnished Rumbelle therefore he is evil and Milah was horribad and neither of them had any point to the things they did, said, or felt."

      Hook has done bad things, but he really has a solid point about Milah. Regardless of her leaving Rumpel and Bae, she was still murdered.

      People will sputter about "B-b-but Hook took Aurora's heart!!"

      Yeah, and Rumpel crushed Milah's (and that was after he had started to crush Hook's). Hook is still a bad guy and a villain for what he did and so is Rumpel.

      "Milah broke Rumpel's heart!"

      Milah left her husband. No matter what she did, she didn't deserve to be murdered for that. And then Rumpel literally broke her heart.

      "She abandoned her son!"

      She knew she was a coward for leaving Bae. She felt sorry for that and said "I let misery cloud my judgement". Leaving her son still isn't worth a death sentence.

      "Hook shot Belle!"

      He could have been aiming for Gold for all we knew, and even if he wasn't, he managed not to hit her in the head or vital organs. That said, yeah, he's an awful person for doing this. Doesn't mean that any of his views on Rumpel are unjustified. Awful people can still be right about things.

      People forget a lot of things about Rumpel. He killed or aided in the deaths or poor conditions of many innocents. Off the top of my head ... his mute maid, Gaston, Zoso (granted, that guy was a monster), his own wife ... He threatened Snow and her family with death (including Henry!) ... He manipulated a victim of abuse into helping him set off a curse that destroyed most of a world.

      Yet: "But he ruined Rumbelle!"

      Like I said, shippers.

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    • I don't exactly HATE hook, but I definately dislike him. I don't know, maybe it's just that he is trying to kill my favourite character on the show. And compared to other characters, I just don't think he's that interesting. If he got killed off, I don't think I'll care.

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    • 75.141.193.117 wrote:

      She knew she was a coward for leaving Bae. She felt sorry for that and said "I let misery cloud my judgement". Leaving her son still isn't worth a death sentence.

      "Hook shot Belle!"

      He could have been aiming for Gold for all we knew, and even if he wasn't, he managed not to hit her in the head or vital organs. That said, yeah, he's an awful person for doing this. Doesn't mean that any of his views on Rumpel are unjustified. Awful people can still be right about things.

      People forget a lot of things about Rumpel. He killed or aided in the deaths or poor conditions of many innocents. Off the top of my head ... his mute maid, Gaston, Zoso (granted, that guy was a monster), his own wife ... He threatened Snow and her family with death (including Henry!) ... He manipulated a victim of abuse into helping him set off a curse that destroyed most of a world.

      Yet: "But he ruined Rumbelle!"

      Like I said, shippers.

      To be accurate, it was not Milah admitting she was a coward and wrong for letting her unhappiness help her make the decision to leave her child behind that scorned Rumple enough to kill her. It was her say, I never loved you! that really grated his nerves. He let his emotions get the better of him, and made the ruthless action to kill her to appease his anger, which was really a terrible decision on Rumple's part.

      I haven't forgotten about all of Rumplestiltskin's bloody deeds. I would not dislike Hook for such a shallow reason as "He tore apart Rumbelle" because although it was heartbreaking to see Belle lose her memories and Mr. Gold in his anguish. Yet, at the same time, while I was sympathetic to him, I also saw that him losing his precious Belle was almost like all the bad karma he earned from doing all those bad things to other people was coming back to him, and the debt was finally settled. 

      I do like Rumbelle, if you are wondering, but I feel their relationship is a bit of a power struggle, too. It's a truly imperfect relationship. Belle is a bit idealistic when it comes to love, and she so wants Mr. Gold to be good and not have to depend on magic. But truly, Mr. Gold has lived with magic for so long it's become like breathing air to him. He doesn't know how to deal without magic, and being Rumplestiltskin, he needs magic. To him, power has always been magic. Magic is power.

      But these characters do not live in a perfect world, and having seen Hook do what he did for revenge, it makes me think, "Is revenge ever worth it? Is it worth it to get even with the other person?" Rumple killing Milah, I believe, is what made Hook turn into a very bitter, revenge driven man. He doesn't care about anything else besides getting even with the man who took away his love, and I think Hook was willing to do anything to have that chance to settle it with Rumple. Yet, it's a real dynamic considering Rumple had wanted to get even with Hook for "stealing" his wife and then finding out Milah went along willingly, and thus Milah became the person of his absolute hate and disgust for choosing a pirate over him. That doesn't make Rumple any less guiltier than Hook for using revenge as a platform for harming another person.

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    • Applegirl wrote: That doesn't make Rumple any less guiltier than Hook for using revenge as a platform for harming another person.

      Brilliant point - And honestly, I think that's the whole point of the Rumple/Hook arc.. I think the writers are trying to show, throughout the shows major storylines that revenge is a vicious, ugly thing that just gets worse and worse as it's enacted (look at Regina, for instance). There's no peace for any of the characters, out for revenge... and those that have given it up are better off for it.

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    • Fractuared Fairytales wrote:
      Applegirl wrote: That doesn't make Rumple any less guiltier than Hook for using revenge as a platform for harming another person.
      Brilliant point - And honestly, I think that's the whole point of the Rumple/Hook arc.. I think the writers are trying to show, throughout the shows major storylines that revenge is a vicious, ugly thing that just gets worse and worse as it's enacted (look at Regina, for instance). There's no peace for any of the characters, out for revenge... and those that have given it up are better off for it.

      Oh my goodness, you are 100% correct! In a way, revenge is the root of all evil. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Fractuared Fairytales wrote:
      Applegirl wrote: That doesn't make Rumple any less guiltier than Hook for using revenge as a platform for harming another person.
      Brilliant point - And honestly, I think that's the whole point of the Rumple/Hook arc.. I think the writers are trying to show, throughout the shows major storylines that revenge is a vicious, ugly thing that just gets worse and worse as it's enacted (look at Regina, for instance). There's no peace for any of the characters, out for revenge... and those that have given it up are better off for it.
      Oh my goodness, you are 100% correct! In a way, revenge is the root of all evil. 

      I thought is was money the root of all evil. :P

      Apple does make a good point.

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    • Ya, I like that point too! I do feel like that's the overall lesson on OUaT-hate, and revenge can destory others and yourself.

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    • You could almost take Rumple's line and twist it... It's not magic that comes with a price... It's vengeance.

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    • Despite what others are saying, Hook is one of my favorite characters and I see alot of potentional and possible redemption in him. He's a darkened character because of his past, but I think something will happen for him to change. He's not evil, but he's not good. He's an ANTI-HERO. And that's what I love about him. Honestly, I believe that it was clever to put a fairytale character, who'd never experienced the real world until now, and make him so...human.

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    • I see Hook as a villain and there is nothing wrong with that...he was a villain in Peter Pan...why does he have to become an anti-hero or be redeemed? Why do the people that like him so well want him to change so much? I don't want a sob story on Hook (or Cora for that matter)...if we do get one I hope it's not so over the top that the two of them can't stay villains. Sometimes it good for the bad guys to stay bad.

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    • Ravensong77 wrote:
      I see Hook as a villain and there is nothing wrong with that...he was a villain in Peter Pan...why does he have to become an anti-hero or be redeemed? Why do the people that like him so well want him to change so much? I don't want a sob story on Hook (or Cora for that matter)...if we do get one I hope it's not so over the top that the two of them can't stay villains. Sometimes it good for the bad guys to stay bad.

      Totally agree. I love Hook the way he is.. I think it's becoming a cliché in OUAT villains redeeming theirselves. I prefer Hook to keep being a villain.

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    • It doesn't have to be a sob story lol. And part of (at least for me) to see a bad guy become good is another way of showing hope. Like OUaT is all about how love is hope, well seeing villians become good or at least better is also a part of that hope.

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    • I agree with Aqua Mare! :)

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    • Why do I have a feeling that in the end of season 2 Hook will be killed? Do you think the same?

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    • Nicksessor wrote:
      Why do I have a feeling that in the end of season 2 Hook will be killed? Do you think the same?


      Not at all - they wouldn't have made him a series regular, just to kill him off at the end of the season. That would be a huge cost, just to axe him.

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    • But they did with the huntsman and august/pinocchio. They could do the same with hook.

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    • Neither of those cast members were regulars (not to my knowledge, at least) - they were guest stars, who tend to make less money than the leads.

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    • No, Eion Bailey and Jamie Dornan were both starring cast members through their stints in Season One.

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    • No, Jamie Dornan was never credited as a regular (I could have sworn he was, but the press releases I just checked said otherwise!), Eion Bailey was starting with Heart of Darkness.

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    • Yeah - that's what I thought, at least about Dornan. I never paid much attention to Eion Bailey *lol* But even so - I don't think he's a regular anymore, is he?

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    • You're right, he only was a regular until the end of the first season.

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    • I mean, don't quote me or anything - I just don't think they'd invest in a character they were planning to kill off in only a few episodes.

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    • Then why is Jamie Dornan listed as starring on this site if he was not?

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    • 0_O I read guest starring on his bio.

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    • He was definitely credited as starring on the episodes I just checked on my netflix XD 

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    • Prince of Hearts wrote:

      Then why is Jamie Dornan listed as starring on this site if he was not?

      I was wondering the same thing. :-/ It seems someone simply listed him as a regular when the list was first added on Season One, and no one noticed he wasn't until now!

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      • lol* Well, he was one of the earlier cast members... - I still think it's safe to say they wouldn't upgrade Hook if they had the intention of killing him off in a few episodes.
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    • Prince of Hearts wrote:

      He was definitely credited as starring on the episodes I just checked on my netflix XD 

      I'll have to check the SAG rules, but I think it's possible for actors to be credited as "Starring" even though they technically are only guest stars. Maybe that's what happened in this case, especially since they must have known his character would die fairly early into the season?

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    • I mean, he was billed as starring in the episodes themselves and that is all I really care about. It is my understanding that they cast him knowing they were going to kill him off.

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    • I know, but how do you explain this or this? :-/ It seems he was billed as "starring," but still wasn't a regular member of the cast... he probably had a good lawyer or manager. ;-)

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      • LoL* Oh Lordie. Now I'm just confused!
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    • Well, prepare to be really confused... *LOL*

      From the ABC press release published on May 17, 2011:

      "Once Upon a Time" stars Ginnifer Goodwin ("Big Love") as Snow White/Sister Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison ("House MD") as Emma Swan, Robert Carlyle ("The Full Monty," "Trainspotting," "SGU Stargate Universe") as Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold, Lana Parrilla as Evil Queen/Regina, Jamie Dornan as Sheriff Graham, Jared Gilmore ("Mad Men") as Henry, Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/John Doe and Raphael Sbarge as Jiminy Cricket/Archie.

      Apparently, he was originally cast as a regular, but sometime between May and the start of the season, his contract was renegotiated and he was downgraded to guest star.

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      • lol* Maybe because they decided to kill him off?
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    • Jamie Dornan was credited as starring in the first seven episodes. Remember that the starring credit doesn't mean much for some of the actors (excepting the main 6). It's more like a reward for the actor at this point..

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    • Haha - well, gosh darnit... Now I'm just totally lost. I forget what my point even was *lol*

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    • Well, at least now you know no one is save, regardless of their contractual status... ;-)

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      • lol* Although I still don't think they would upgrade someone, just to kill them off. But I could be wrong.
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    • A good example to my point would be that Raphael Sbarge was credited as "Starring" during the entire first season.. and had fewer appearances than Meghan Ory... it was in his contract, and the character was meant to be a bigger player, but they ended up going in a different direction.


      it happens.

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    • I hope they don't kill him off but I don't want him to kill Gold either.

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    • I think it also has to do with the location of the actors. For example, I heard in an interview with Raphael Sbarge that Meghan Ory lives in Vancouver, whereas he flies in. I guess it's easier to put Ruby in group shots and small roles in episodes because she can come in easily.

      I personally hope Captain Hook stays around for a while, though preferably as a villian.

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    • Well anyways, I don't think that they would kill him off without a proper Peter Pan episode and even potentially a backstory. And since Peter Pan is said not to appear this season anyway, I think he is safe from being completely killed off

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    • You do have to wonder what they are going to do with him though, he can't just run around trying to kill Rumple for the rest of forever, there has to be some resolution.  I don't think he is going to get that by killing Rumple, so that leaves either Hook getting killed of himself, him somehow accepting and coming to terms with what Rumple did or to somehow put him in a position where he is no longer a threat.  

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    • As true as that may be I don't see a reason for him to move on, and knowing Captain Hook I think he might continue to seek revenge for a very long time.

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    • I wonder what he'll do now that he thinks he's killed Rumple. Rumple won't die, that's obvious (and I hope lol), but I don't see Hook trying to kill him again. I watched part of the podcast thing ( I can't watch the whole thing cuz I don't have enough internet usage :'() but I saw a part where Colin said Hook is capable of compassion and having a relationship, then he like winked to the audience :D. So, I'm also guessing that means he won't die anytime soon! Woohoo! :D

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    • Also, he shushed (well sort of lol) the audience when someone said Hook is like Henry's almost step-great grandpa..... I get so confused on family tree stuff, so does/could his "shush" mean Hook and Milah were married?

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    • Hook and Emma have a TON of chemistry! Plus it's a total double standard when people say hook is more evil then regina and rumple. Ummm?? Seriously? I want to laugh at that comment. We have to remember that Hook doesn't have a back story yet. Plus I don't understand when you watch the scenes people say their is no chemistry between emma and hook. You can clearly see their is a lot of chemistry between the two. The Tallhassee episode was all about hook and emma. She couldn't trust him because he reminded her of Neal. Plus their are so many parallels between emma/hook and snow/charming when they started out. People that don't like to admit to the chemistry and that it is going somewhere and hoping for Neal and emma or some other pairing.

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    • There is absolutely NO chemistry at all with Hook, I just don't understand how people get that idea!!. He almost killed Bella when she was in the tower, took Aurora's Heart, left not only Emma, but Snow, Aurora, Miluan (sp) in a prison, shot Bella in the back, stole another man's wife what a winner people must be standing in line to get this kind of treatment.. I and people think this is love huh?

      Did any of the Hook lover's really listen to this video on this thread about Hook?

      http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:109033

      Snow even mentions the fact the Hook, went to bed with Gold's wife that isn't good either.

      Personally I will be glad to get rid of Hook, it really didn't make sense to bring him in the 1st place and this constant trying to kill Gold is really getting to be old they need something new.

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    • Oh please, you have to remember he is a villain. Him hitting belle shows he is a villain. He gave Auroras heart back( which shows he can be redeemed) and he was betrayed by emma when he was abandoned on the top of the bean stalk. Plus, hook and rumples wife fell in love. He is going to do anything he can to get revenge on rumple that INCLUDES hurting the women that rumple loves.Um did you watch the same paleyfest video that I did. Hook/emma are going to happen! Plus JMO interview says that they have an undeniable connection, and that they really understand each other. Did you see Tallhassee? It was showing how Neal betrayed her with the watches and got her sent to jail, she was seeing a charming guy that she was starting to trust. But the last time she trusted someone, she went to prison. And it's to hard to risk to get her and snow back to storybrooke. They have a TON of chemistry. Rumple and Regina are way more of a villain then hook! They have done way worse things. Why do they deserve love and hook doesn't? That doesn't make since.

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    • Hook didn't give Aurora's heart back because he wanted to he wanted to split the group up so he could win. As for following in love with a married woman that is just plain wrong plus she had a child both Hook and Gold's wife abandoned a child what kind of people would do this to a child? To attack an unarm woman and shoots her in the back is just a plan Coward what kind of a man does this if he was a man. If you ever notice if an affair does happen usually they attact the same counterpart ie; Woman attacks the Woman, the Man attacks the Man.

      You need to go back and watch that video that I posted above did you not listen to what MM said, David, and Emma you must have select hearing to miss those comments.

      But that is a good point that you made both guys did leave Emma in prison and left her there.  I don't like Neal either by the way I think he is a coward too.

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    • Okay, hook gave auroras heart back because he didn't want a woman to lose a heart from him. He didn't want to split the group up. I don't know where you got that idea. If he wanted to win that fight he could have killed emma but he literally bent over backwards to save auroras heart and he spent to whole fight flirting with emma. I do think it was wrong going after belle. But hook is so set on revenge for 300 years. Rumple didn't take it out on hook that Milah left him. He killed Milah right in front of hook. Hook didn't kill belle, he shot her for her to lose her memory. And no I don't have very select memory. Did you hear JMO said when that guy asked "what are the charmings going to do, if emma STARTS looking at hook the wrong way." Jmo said starts. Plus after Ginny comments colin said "what's wrong with that." And the writers said "it was 300 years ago.

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      Oh please, you have to remember he is a villain. Him hitting belle shows he is a villain. He gave Auroras heart back( which shows he can be redeemed) and he was betrayed by emma when he was abandoned on the top of the bean stalk. Plus, hook and rumples wife fell in love. He is going to do anything he can to get revenge on rumple that INCLUDES hurting the women that rumple loves.Um did you watch the same paleyfest video that I did. Hook/emma are going to happen! Plus JMO interview says that they have an undeniable connection, and that they really understand each other. Did you see Tallhassee? It was showing how Neal betrayed her with the watches and got her sent to jail, she was seeing a charming guy that she was starting to trust. But the last time she trusted someone, she went to prison. And it's to hard to risk to get her and snow back to storybrooke. They have a TON of chemistry. Rumple and Regina are way more of a villain then hook! They have done way worse things. Why do they deserve love and hook doesn't? That doesn't make since.


      I gotta say... I love Hook - but I'm having a REALLY hard time seeing any chemistry between him and Emma. She's either chained him up (not in a good way), or knocked him out every time she's seen him. Him flirting with her and making suggestive comments is not chemistry... it's characterization. He's a dog - and he seems to know it.

      If -anything- happens between them, I assure you, it will neither be -real/true- nor will it be lasting. As you've said before, Hook is a villain... a sexy and hysterical villain, yes - but he is not father material for Henry, and he is not husband... or even boyfriend material for Emma. Not by a long shot.

      From the perspective of a writer - I can almost guarentee that Emma and Neal are going to wind up together. The introduction of Tamara as a fiance is a feint... to take away the hope for a brief period of time, so that their inevitable reunion is even more powerful. Everything in the last episode indicates, clearly, that Emma still has feelings for Neal, and his reaction to her and his hesitation to come clean about his relationship with Tamara makes it clear the feeling is mutual. Will the writers throw Hook into the mix to spice up the drama? Probably... But don't look for wedding bells in that future - it's Sawyer/Jack/Kate/Juliet (A LOST reference, if you didn't see the show). I promise.

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    • I would like to see Hook take Emma to Las Vegas, she could use a vacation.... he is one night stand material ;)

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    • XD Although I think Emma's a little preoccupied for a tryst right now. And considering Hook is -part- of why she's so preoccupied *lol* I think she'd rather knock him out again, then knock boots with him.

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    • I don't think anything is going to happen between her and Neal. Every time a writer talks about their relationship it is always in past tense. And JMO even said that emma wasn't looking for a relationship with Neal. She only wants him to come to storybrooke because of Henry. Of course she still loves Neal, he was her first love, however that doesn't mean that she is "in love" with him. Their is no trust there. I can't see emma every trusting Neal. Plus Neal moved on when he got engaged to Tamara. He found his happiness with someone else not her. Plus of course emma isn't happy that he's engaged. It like "how dare you being to move on so quickly, when I can't trust anyone." I think she was upset because she is seeing him find happiness and she still can't find happiness because of all those years ago.

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    • >_> you can't see her trusting Neal... because he left... Despite the fact that every indication as far as writing goes is that she's going to forgive him, in time - and that she trusts him enough to let him be there for Henry.

      But you see her trusting Hook? Who is a killer, a thief, a pirate and a low life? That dosen't make oodles of sense, sorry.

      Tamara is a temporary stumbling block - used for drama, to keep any thoughts about the relationship happening from being too obvious. We don't even know her background, yet, or how she and Neal came to be together - and there's no indication that it's a lasting relationship, or that she's anything but someone to distract him from not being with Emma.

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    • No I don't see her trusting hook either. I'm just saying that the writers even said that emma and Neal is a thing of the "past." Emma is not the same nieve 17 year old girl that fell In love with Neal. They have both changed and I think it would be out of character for emma to go jumping back into Neal's arms. JMO says when their is love you choose love, not because someone tells you they have a job to do then you let them go to prison. Emma doesn't trust Neal, she trusts him with Henry but I can't see her going back to Neal. That's my opinion.

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    • When did the writers ever say that? I don't recall reading that subject.

      I respect that you have an opinion - but all you've done thus far is tell me why Neal and Emma "can't be together",  because of a few quotes from interviews that frankly, have no bearing on the actual story itself and don't really follow in line with where the storyline is currently headed. Jennifer Morrison is not the writers... she's not in charge of what happens on the show. She's giving insight to how she believes Emma is feeling, but that doesn't mean her opinion is going to stop a relationship from coming to fruition. Emma is a victim of people leaving her, even when it's for the right reasons -  her parents and Neal included, but that isn't something that devoids any chance of healing. I'm not suggesting they're gonna be together immediately, or even in the near future - but if any relationdship has a chance, based off of characterization and plot subtext, it is those two.

      My issue stands... you haven't once given me a raeson why Hook/Emma makes any sense... at all. Or where there's chemistry between the two that's going to amount to any lasting relationship.

      You don't think it would be out of character for Emma to jump into a relationship with Hook?

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    • Why are you guys even fight over this? This is how shipping wars start.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Why are you guys even fight over this? This is how shipping wars start.

      You can quote me right now as saying, I don't care about shipping XD I think it's ridiculous. The writers are in charge of what happens, and nothing anyone says can (or at least should) alter that - What I care about is -writing- and good writing, at that. When the writers show signs of catering to, or being influenced by shippers, the show loses it's appeal. I would be incredibly disappointed if all the sudden Hook and Emma became an item, because of shippers.

      As far as the writing goes, the only relationship that makes sense - if there IS going to be one (and believe me, I'm okay with Emma being single, as well) is her and Neal ... over time, after they have both worked through their issues and healed.

      Like I said - my issue is, I want to know where the Hook/Emma pairing makes any sense in terms of the story, in terms of characters and in terms of -past- episodes. Aside from a VERY brief momen in Tallahassee where they seemed to have ONE thing in common (their lost loves), I see no indication whatsoever that there's a relationship there. It's up there with Emma and Jefferson, or Emma and Regina - it's making something out of a great big nothing, and I don't get how so many people think it's canon.

      I undestand that it was mentioned at Paleyfest- but has it been considered that those who were talking about it were doing it with the strict intentions of playing along with people?

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    • I would prefer if Emma stays single. She is a strong, and independent woman. Why does she even need to be in a romantic relationship, with anyone? Besides, Emma should focus on Henry.... he is the most important man, in her live. 

      Hook is to Emma, what Dr. Whale is to Mary Margaret. One night stand material, nothing more.... just my opinion.

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    • I think what you all are missing is the fact that you have only seen a glimpse of his back-story, the glimpse the creators wanted to show you for his development in the second season. But I can tell you that you will see a much more familiar one within the final two episodes of season 2. That will give his character the motivation in season 3. And all I will say is that immortality and legacy is a theme with all of the villains, Cora, Regina, Gold, and it goes the same for Captain Hook, the most notorious pirate that ever lived. After you see the final two episodes I think you will find him to be one of the most hated, perhaps even surpassing Cora. He has a hidden motive. That is all I will say.

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    • Oh... and it has to do a lot with Bae.

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    • hook liaise with cora, and must be hating her for some reason.

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    • 72.66.229.218 wrote:
      I think what you all are missing is the fact that you have only seen a glimpse of his back-story, the glimpse the creators wanted to show you for his development in the second season. But I can tell you that you will see a much more familiar one within the final two episodes of season 2. That will give his character the motivation in season 3. And all I will say is that immortality and legacy is a theme with all of the villains, Cora, Regina, Gold, and it goes the same for Captain Hook, the most notorious pirate that ever lived. After you see the final two episodes I think you will find him to be one of the most hated, perhaps even surpassing Cora. He has a hidden motive. That is all I will say.

      >_> And you know this, how?

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    • I can't really see Emma and Hook together, they have chemistry but not that kind lol. And this whole shipping conversation was kinda random lol. (not trying to be arrogant) but if all started after my comment, all I said was Colin said that Hook was capable of having a relationship, not specifically with who, and I don't really care about that part, I'll just wait to see what happens on the show, but for me that's a hint that he won't be killed off any time soon! :D

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    • Yeah, You can't use the excuse "Hook is so bad so I don't like him" and love Rumplestiltskin. Rumplestiltskin has done far worse things so to hate Hook for that is some serious hypocrisy.  Personally, I think they they are both pretty troubled but at least Gold tries to pursue his good side while Hook pursues revenge. A shame since he is smokin'.    

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    • Fractuared Fairytales wrote:


      I gotta say... I love Hook - but I'm having a REALLY hard time seeing any chemistry between him and Emma. She's either chained him up (not in a good way), or knocked him out every time she's seen him. Him flirting with her and making suggestive comments is not chemistry... it's characterization. He's a dog - and he seems to know it.

      The problem isn't a lack of chemistry but rather the definition of chemistry.  Chemistry is how people are around each other, not *just* words and or actions (that can have ulterior motives). I think that a lot of the chemistry that CaptainSwan fans see is BETWEEN the lines--the lingering looks, the way Emma spoke when she opened up to him about being in love once, the rare non-skeezy smile that Hook flashed her right before she chained him, the surprise and quiver in his voice after she did, etc. Actors can have great chemistry even if the characters wouldn't necessarily be expected to; just because you personally can't see it doesn't mean it absolutely doesn't exist.  In Hook and Emma's case, however, both actors have stressed the similarites and "kindred spirit" aspect of their interactions, so it would seem that the chemistry that some fans notice not only works but also could also be successful acting pulling of what was written. However, people interpret human interactions differently, which is why some people see glaring lack of chemistry while others see chemistry there. Neither can be definitely stated as "THE TRUTH" because chemistry is not something to be seen so much as perceived/felt.

      That being said, I'm fine with Emma being alone/focusing on Henry, whatever she chooses.  We don't know what's going to happen so let's stay civil and respect that people have different opinions and that actual "facts" are few and can be interpreted differently at this point. I think the same holds true for Hook--some haters are vocal but I don't think that they necessarily outnumber the fans of the crazy pirate.

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    • I do like watching Hook and I think the actor does a very good job and on the episodes that they focus on him there is some enjoyablity but I always think that after MM and Emma came back from the E.Forest that was Hooks time to leave. But because of the huge fan base directed to him the writes had to keep him on but he does not have much to do but be a love interest for Emma. I feel that his only involvement in the story is to be a taxi driver to bring everyone from one place to another. He doesn't add much to the story which is a shame as he has potentional andI think they need to give Hook a lot more invoulment in the main plot of the show.

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    • I don't think the hatred of Hook stems so much from RumBelle as it does from Emma and Neal shippers. Both Hook and Neal were introduced at the same time for unlitmately the same reason; to be a love interest for Emma. Fans picked sides, as they always do, and those who shipped Emma/Neal hated Hook because they felt like he got in the way of that pairing. Likewise when Neal was killed off that only served to fuel fans hatred of Hook even more. I don't agree with this, but the evidence speaks for itself. If you go back and look at the ratings for OUAT there is a significant drop off in viewers that occurs around the time of Neal's death, a drop off that continued to grow as Hook's role in the show (and with Emma) grew. I see so many comments where people say Hook was the reason they quit watching. I liked Hook and Emma from the start (though judging from the ratings I must be in the minority on that), because it was clear to me even then that Hook and Emma were end game. I still liked Neal as a character though, and was ultimately sad to see him go. In the end it seems Emma/Neal shippers will say Emma/Hook have no chemistry and vice versa. Personally I think Emma and Hook have great chemistry, but as a Hook fan I am unquestionably biased. I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with my evaluation, but in my opinion this is why so many people hate Hook.

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