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  • From set pictures:

    http://vancityfilming.com/once-upon-a-time-regina-and-cora-use-magic/

    From the description of The Queen is Dead we know that Cora goes looking for one of Rumple's possessions...looks like she finds it. 

    We also know that she breaks down the  barrier to Gold's store from this:

    http://24.media.tumblr.com/8654b506724e81a6a10eb33dd9f3e355/tumblr_mgyevzXfZU1s29wsyo1_1280.jpg

    Right now I'm thinking that this may be the episode that Regina finds out that Neal (if Bae) is Baelfire and Henry's father. It's the only thing I think would stop Cora from killing Rumple. If Rumple turned out to be Henry's biological grandfather I think Regina would surmise that helping Cora to kill him would mean Henry might not ever forgive her. I thinking she might stop Cora.

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    • I thought Mr. Gold would be smart enough to take his dagger with him leaving town in search for Bae. Apparently he's not. If somebody summons the Dark One (by reasing his name written on the blade) the Dark One is forced to come to the location where the person, who summoned him is and has to obey this person anytime, right? Mr. Gold cannot rely on the fact that Cora or Regina might be as dumb as August W. Booth once was.

      Cora doesn't bother about truces, does she? She wanted Rumpel out of her way.

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    • I dunno :S The dagger has magic. Storybrooke has magic. All the world surrounding Storybrooke is The Land Without Magic. Taking this in account, if someone uses the Dark One's Dagger to summon the dark one from outside Storybrooke, the Dark One should not be forced to do anything, the other way round, if the Dark One is outside Storybrooke, in a place with no magic, and someone from inside summons him, the magic of the dagger will not "leave" Storybrooke, and so the  Dark One will not be forced to return.

      Anyway, Mr. Gold needs to return, because of Belle. and when he crosses the line back to Storybrooke, Cora will have power over him because of the dagger.

      I could be wrong XD But I think this is how it works.

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    • Well even  if Cora does manage to get the dagger, you do realize there will be people wanting to get to the dagger before her.  If that is the case I think thisact will  lead to her demise. Since she isn't list has a regular character, but has a guest star.

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    • I figured he would be a bit smarter than that also, at the very least he could have hidden it somewhere outside his shop.  He should know better than to trust Cora, even if there is a "truce", I think we were all raising an eyebrow when Cora proposed it. 

      What is terrifying to think of, is what Cora will want to use Gold for?  We know what Hook would want it for, but does Cora simply want Gold out of the way?  Also I wouldn't put much money on Regina arguing for not killing Gold, I don't think Henry and Gold would have enough of a connection to for Regina to say that, that and the fact that Cora seems like she may be manipulating her now.

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    • I don't think Cora got the dagger because when Rumple had it he had to kill the previous person to change his looks like he did and get his name on the blade, Cora didn't kill Rumple and I doubt if he would have it just laying around.

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    • Although I can say it will be funny if the daggar is back in Fairytale land, the look of Cora, Regina, and Hook face will be priceless if that were to happen. At the same time I doubt that  will happen in the show.

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    • there are many way this could go. she doesnt know that the dagger wont work here she may try to use it on him. or she may keep it just so he cant return to fairytale land. if he does then he would be under her control.

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    • The dagger will work here because Gold brought magic back with his love potion. Rumples tilskin body form only changed after he killed Zoso herefore Cora couldn't have the dagger as she didn't kill Gold, this must have been some magic that Gold did to Cora.

      Do you honestly think that Gold would be that stupid and leave the dagger out for Cora? I think he pulled a trick on her instead in my opinion.

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    • Considering the fact that in this episode (according to the call sheet) that Gold is in his shop behind a barrier and a force field I doubt that he pulled a trick on her and that the dagger isn't real. He's hiding for a reason.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      I dunno :S The dagger has magic. Storybrooke has magic. All the world surrounding Storybrooke is The Land Without Magic. Taking this in account, if someone uses the Dark One's Dagger to summon the dark one from outside Storybrooke, the Dark One should not be forced to do anything, the other way round, if the Dark One is outside Storybrooke, in a place with no magic, and someone from inside summons him, the magic of the dagger will not "leave" Storybrooke, and so the  Dark One will not be forced to return.

      Anyway, Mr. Gold needs to return, because of Belle. and when he crosses the line back to Storybrooke, Cora will have power over him because of the dagger.

      I could be wrong XD But I think this is how it works.

      I think because when Gold brought magic, it stopped at the town lines, so that only Storybrooke had magic, and that's why if you crossed the line your memory was erased because outside there was no magic, that and it was part of the price for bringing it. So then the potion Gold made for one to cross the line mad it so they're retaining their FL memories and bringing that and they're magic with them outside of Storybrooke.

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    • If Cora does get the dagger and trys to call the Dark One to her, then I wonder if that is the reason why Gold looks confused when passing through airport security? Since he is in the Land without Magic he doesn't get shimmered away to Cora, but he can sence that someone has found his dagger and is trying to call for him.

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    • the dagger is evil of course it would try to get away from its "master" and maybe Rumpel has no actual knowledge of what the dagger's true purpose maybe.he is just the person cursed with it but he far from being the actual Dark One!!.

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    • ^ That is an interesting theory.

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    • What if Cora commands him to kill, Belle on the advice of Hook. That would be so terrible. I Would flip out so much if that happened

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    • ^ That would be so horrible and really nice to see. If that were to happen then I wonder if that would force Gold to go against the dark ones power? We could see a fight in Gold himself.

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    • GirlyEmma96 wrote:
      What if Cora commands him to kill, Belle on the advice of Hook. That would be so terrible. I Would flip out so much if that happened

      Dont' think this will happen...new spoilers indicate that Belle will be getting her memory back. Found here.

      http://www.tvguide.com/News/Mega-Buzz-HIMYM-Greys-Following-1060397.aspx

      Besides in the pictures we've seen so far it looks like Cora and Regina have the dagger...my guess is that they used Hook to help them get the dagger and then ditched him.

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    • Hope your right. I really hope Belle remebers soon. RUMBELLE FOREVER

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    • @RavenSong77

      Thanks for the link I read it and jumped for joy. Belle going to remember. It also said how Gold helps her gets her memory back will certainly be a story line to watch out for. Rumples goning to help her regian her memory. Can't wait for the renioun scene. There will definatly be a kiss. OMG i'm so excited now. I just hope they don't make us wait to the finale for her to rember maybe 1 or 2 episode before, or if its sooner even better. I slo can't for the millers daughter. Hope Cora and Regina don't make Rumple do something horrible

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    • Ravensong77 wrote:

      Besides in the pictures we've seen so far it looks like Cora and Regina have the dagger...my guess is that they used Hook to help them get the dagger and then ditched him.

      It would not surprise me if Regina and Cora dump Hook, after they find the Dagger.

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    • That could explain this picture of him... http://static.wetpaint.me/ooat/ROOT/photos/630/1307899500pre-1754554858448182442.jpg - He looks a wee bit miffed about something - and in an earlier picture, he was looking over a map or something with Cora/Regina. It could -also- possibly explain why/how he might transition away from the dark side of the force...

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    • OMGosh! Someone else presented the idea that Hook, (now that Belle has lost her memory) could further get back at Rumple by wooing Belle....... could that be why he's in the library!? 0_0. Lol. Though I think it's far fetched cuz he did sort of already get his revenge on Rumple just by making Belle lose her memory........ But why's he in the library agian?!

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    • Haha! Lol, disregard my last comment, I just saw spoiler photos!

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    • 67.115.175.30 wrote: ^ That would be so horrible and really nice to see. If that were to happen then I wonder if that would force Gold to go against the dark ones power? We could see a fight in Gold himself.

      Finally Gold has a reason to fight his own dark curse and that way make up with Bael - the one who wanted him to get rid of his dark powers in the first place and the only deal Rumple broke. Still, can you imagine a nonmagical Mr. Gold? Good and happy characters are boring.

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    • 75.120.62.171 wrote:

      Right now I'm thinking that this may be the episode that Regina finds out that Neal (if Bae) is Baelfire and Henry's father. It's the only thing I think would stop Cora from killing Rumple. If Rumple turned out to be Henry's biological grandfather I think Regina would surmise that helping Cora to kill him would mean Henry might not ever forgive her. I thinking she might stop Cora.

      I totally agree: Henry is such a naive child, because of this roadtrip together I'm sure he, Emma and Gold sort of bonded. Maybe Henry himself will call to Regina to help Gold/Gramps.

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    • I'd love to see how the Charmings (David and Mary-Margret) will cope with this new situation if Neil turns out to be Bae. After all, Gold, probably their daughter's father in law, and Snow and Charming didn't have such a good relationship back in Fairytaleland.

      Does Dr. Hopper provide family therapy? :)

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    • OEdystopia wrote:
      I'd love to see how the Charmings (David and Mary-Margret) will cope with this new situation if Neil turns out to be Bae. After all, Gold, probably their daughter's father in law, and Snow and Charming didn't have such a good relationship back in Fairytaleland.

      Does Dr. Hopper provide family therapy? :)

      I would love to see the family Therapy session if it comes to that. I would be very entertained.

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    • I have this sinking feeling that Mr. Gold is not going to return to Storybrooke anytime soon.

      My theory is that he'll sense that someone has the dagger and realizes that since there is no magic outside of Storybrooke, if he stays outside, he won't be forced to do anything against his will. But Emma and Neal will go there and try to get the dagger back. It'll also be a true test of his magical-sobriety.

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    • I believe he's in Storybrook in the The MIller's Daughter...holed up in the back room of his store as Cora and Regina are trying to break in. 

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    • 75.120.62.171 wrote:
      From set pictures:

      http://vancityfilming.com/once-upon-a-time-regina-and-cora-use-magic/

      From the description of The Queen is Dead we know that Cora goes looking for one of Rumple's possessions...looks like she finds it. 

      We also know that she breaks down the  barrier to Gold's store from this:

      http://24.media.tumblr.com/8654b506724e81a6a10eb33dd9f3e355/tumblr_mgyevzXfZU1s29wsyo1_1280.jpg

      Right now I'm thinking that this may be the episode that Regina finds out that Neal (if Bae) is Baelfire and Henry's father. It's the only thing I think would stop Cora from killing Rumple. If Rumple turned out to be Henry's biological grandfather I think Regina would surmise that helping Cora to kill him would mean Henry might not ever forgive her. I thinking she might stop Cora.

      Henry and Emma will end up with the dagger, and Emma will hide it.  She won't threaten Rumpel but he will always be weary of the mother of his grandson.

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    • What if Mr. Gold's love of Henry allows him to resist the dagger? Just a thought.

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    • August Booth wrote:
      What if Mr. Gold's love of Henry allows him to resist the dagger? Just a thought.

      Interesting thought.... it would fit with the Seer's prophecy, about Henry.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      August Booth wrote:
      What if Mr. Gold's love of Henry allows him to resist the dagger? Just a thought.
      Interesting thought.... it would fit with the Seer's prophecy, about Henry.

      I was a bit confused on that scene. Did the Seer tell Rumple he'd basically have to kill the little boy (meaning Henry)?

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    • Aqua Mare wrote: I was a bit confused on that scene. Did the Seer tell Rumple he'd basically have to kill the little boy (meaning Henry)?

      No.... the Seer said, the young boy would be Rumplestiltskin's undoing. Rumple interpreted the prophecy, as the boy would kill him.

      Undoing could mean countless things, including Mr. Gold's possible redemption.... the undoing of the Dark One.

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    • Ok, thanks.

      So that could still mean he could try to get rid of Henry if he goes with his power again.  :'(. That would be horrible!

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    • There are so many possibilities.  That is what makes the story so strong.  Rumpel could have created a replica - he is usually three steps ahead of everyone else.  There is also the dynamic that Henry is Rumpel's undoing, but what does that mean?  His death?  Since the Oracle was speaking to the Dark One, did she mean Rumpel's death?  The breaking of the curse of the Dark One?  A destruction of the hold of the Dark One without losing the power?  It is clear that the power that possesses Rumpel is far greater than anyone else - Snow's "true love's kiss" awoke Charming.  Emma's "true love's kiss" saved Henry AND broke the spell.  Belle's "true love's kiss" lasted longer than these and only just began a transformation that ended when Rumpel broke it off.  How about the love of a grandchild?  There are so many ways this can go.

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    • A replica of what?

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    • Aqua Mare wrote:
      A replica of what?


      A replica of the dagger.  It would be glorious to see the look on Cora's face when she orders him or tries to take his power directly and the dagger fails.

      But it would be better story writing if Regina flipped sides.  Or, remember, Regina must do anything Rumpel asks as long as he says please.  "Take the dagger from your mother and return it to me, please."

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    • Since the curse is broken the 'pleases' doesn't work anymore,it was addressed in episode 2 or 3.

      I too think that the dagger they found it's just a replica and the real one is always with Rumple hidden in his cane....remember he said that magic is a crutch he can't LET GO of.

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    • 75.82.21.169 wrote:
      Aqua Mare wrote:
      A replica of what?

      A replica of the dagger.  It would be glorious to see the look on Cora's face when she orders him or tries to take his power directly and the dagger fails.

      But it would be better story writing if Regina flipped sides.  Or, remember, Regina must do anything Rumpel asks as long as he says please.  "Take the dagger from your mother and return it to me, please."

      But in We Are Both, Regina said that now that the curse is broken, his pleases don't work.

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    • that's a nice though, but (and correct me if I'm wrong) didnt Regina tell Mr. Gold "it seems your "pleases" have lost their kick" in a previous episode? I swear I can almost hear her say that. Obviously, this would mean he no longer has power over here. I thinj the quote was: "What do you know? It seems your pleases have lost their kick!"... Thoughts?

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    • Yup, his pleases don't work anymore.

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    • I'm thinking Gold probably hid a bunch of fake daggers...

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    • Fire Pearl wrote:
      Since the curse is broken the 'pleases' doesn't work anymore,it was addressed in episode 2 or 3.

      I too think that the dagger they found it's just a replica and the real one is always with Rumple hidden in his cane....remember he said that magic is a crutch he can't LET GO of.

      Ooh, that's a good theory.  I love word-play, so that would be an excellent twist.

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    • if cora has mr gold dagger with rumple name, then mr gold will corporate with david

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    • Here I thought I had a good theory about the real dagger hidden in the cane,but sadly they have the real dagger...at the end of the promo Rumpelstilstkin's name is fading away...

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    • Fire Pearl wrote:
      Here I thought I had a good theory about the real dagger hidden in the cane,but sadly they have the real dagger...at the end of the promo Rumpelstilstkin's name is fading away...

      That's a shame, I rather liked that theory.

      If Rumple did die without being stabbed by the blade, who do you think the power would go to?  Would the "Dark One" just disappear, would it go to the person that caused the injury or the person in possesion of the blade when he dies?

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    • Well logically it would go to the person who killed him,in this case Hook,but he didn't stab him with his dagger that transfers the power and Rumpy is back in Storybrook so he is most likely healed from that injury....Can't wait to see this episode...It's clear that Jane Espenson wrote this epsidoe,cause she is the only writer in this show who can actually surprise me with her twists:)))

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    • If Rumple did die without being stabbed by the blade, who do you think the power would go to?  Would the "Dark One" just disappear, would it go to the person that caused the injury or the person in possesion of the blade when he dies?

      Got you an answer!...so I read some posts from those who seen the first act at Paleyfest and they wrote that,Cora and Regina are listening in to a phone conversation and they find out that Rumple is injured,but then they see his name fading away from the blade, and Cora says they need to change their plan,cause if she doesn't stab Rumple and become the Dark One,the power itself will cease to exist!

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    • Fire Pearl wrote:
      If Rumple did die without being stabbed by the blade, who do you think the power would go to?  Would the "Dark One" just disappear, would it go to the person that caused the injury or the person in possesion of the blade when he dies?
      Got you an answer!...so I read some posts from those who seen the first act at Paleyfest and they wrote that,Cora and Regina are listening in to a phone conversation and they find out that Rumple is injured,but then they see his name fading away from the blade, and Cora says they need to change their plan,cause if she doesn't stab Rumple and become the Dark One,the power itself will cease to exist!

      So you defenitely need the dagger to transfer the power/curse to another person. That makes sense. Remember when Rumpel took Zoso's powers the blade was stabbed within Zoso's heart and Rumpel hold the dagger's handle. And as Zoso died the greyish color crept into his hand and then to the rest of his body. The dagger was the connection between them.

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    • Yes!Also,though I'd love to keep Rumple the Dark One,BUT this is how Henry will be his "undoing"...he will be stunned by the Charmings protection and the fact that Emma welcomed him as a family member(yes that happens on the ship on their way home,that's why he's so nice in the third sneak peek)and he will protect them and Henry from Cora and Regina. I know,I know after the last episode in which he was mean to Henry this sounds extreme,but this is my theory.

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    • omg...i never thought of that.  the dagger hidden in his cane would be soooo incredibly cool!  and yes, i also think Rumple gave the location of a fake dagger.  He's too smart to give the real location.  we know he tried to get rid of Cora before by having Regina push her through the Looking Glass.  This might be a clever trick of his to get rid of Cora.  The only thing he wasn't expecting was the whole dying part and finding out about Henry being his undoing.  he even said the future is like a puzzle, with nothing ever being exactly as expected.

      Somehow I don't think the prophecy the Seer told Rumple about Henry being his undoing is going to occur this season.  

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    • I think it would be cool if Gold kept his magic but lost the Dark curse; similar to how Gaara kept his sand powers after the Sand demon was removed from him.

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    • 76.17.214.172 wrote:
      omg...i never thought of that.  the dagger hidden in his cane would be soooo incredibly cool!  and yes, i also think Rumple gave the location of a fake dagger.  He's too smart to give the real location.  we know he tried to get rid of Cora before by having Regina push her through the Looking Glass.  This might be a clever trick of his to get rid of Cora.  The only thing he wasn't expecting was the whole dying part and finding out about Henry being his undoing.  he even said the future is like a puzzle, with nothing ever being exactly as expected.

      Somehow I don't think the prophecy the Seer told Rumple about Henry being his undoing is going to occur this season.  

      I seriously don't think it's Henry. I think it's this Owen.

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    • Fire Pearl wrote:
      If Rumple did die without being stabbed by the blade, who do you think the power would go to?  Would the "Dark One" just disappear, would it go to the person that caused the injury or the person in possesion of the blade when he dies?
      Got you an answer!...so I read some posts from those who seen the first act at Paleyfest and they wrote that,Cora and Regina are listening in to a phone conversation and they find out that Rumple is injured,but then they see his name fading away from the blade, and Cora says they need to change their plan,cause if she doesn't stab Rumple and become the Dark One,the power itself will cease to exist!

      I think Snow's gonna accidently stab Cora's heart with the dagger, and turn her into the Dark One, thinking the magic is gone!

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    • What if Mr. Gold Stabs himself with his dagger, do you think the curse would suddenly disappear or something?

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    • I always got the impression the Dark One curse was like a magical parasite; giving the host great power but twisting and warping their minds to evil. Remember when Belle kissed Gold before he realised what was happening the reversion was not instant like the Dark Magic was fighting against it befrore he let it win.

      Also in my experienc prophecy's have double meaning to them so mabye the Blind Witch's prophecy was talking about Henrey bringing the downfall of the Dark One rather than its current host.

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    • As a Kiss Born of True love Breaks any curse, if Mr. Gold kisses Belle, do you think she will be able to regain her memory?

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    • Albinum wrote:
      As a Kiss Born of True love Breaks any curse, if Mr. Gold kisses Belle, do you think she will be able to regain her memory?

      I think so, but only if Belle learns to be able to love him again, similar to Snow and Charming after Snow drank the the potion.

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    • No the Kiss didn't work as Mr. Gold already kissed Belle but to no avail. I think the only Thing that will work for her case is drinking water from the lake of Nostros( or Nostros) which has the power to restore all that was lost, in her case, her Memory.

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    • That because she forgot that she was in love with Gold. In order for true love kiss to work both party must know that have feeling for the other person and that they do love each other.

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    • It will be tough to get Belle to remember her love for Gold in a very short pace of time since he is dying from his injury.

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    • Just one thing: do you think Mr. Gold will actually kill Henry since he is the boy in the Seer's prediction cause if he does he will hurt Baelfire and it is the last thing he would do.

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    • Rumple never imagined the boy in prediction would be his grandson, more than hurting neal, rumple himself loves henry, he always had a soft spot for him  even before he knew who henry was and now that he is his grandson, I doubt he would do anything like that. beside henry prolly has some unique magic being son of the saviour and dark one's grandson, and the prediction can be changed.  Future is a very complicated thing.

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    • True. Now that Regina swore to kill Rumple, its more about him we should be worrying. Will Henry ever forgive Regina if she kills Rumple? All I know Regina would be destroyed if Henry hated her.

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    • Its a twisted Tale, really 😊

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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