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  • I realize ouat has been over for a few years, I think it ended in 2017 but I figured there must still be fans of it around here that might have more intel than I do. I was sort of out of the loop towards the last few seasons and didnt see every episode but I have a general idea of what was happening. But I just remember how they treated peter cause I was there for his scenes at least and how he got the short end of the straw every time. Not just him though, but I felt the same was done for like hades, black fairy, um jekyll and hyde, etc. Even if I wasnt a fan of him or those others, I'd still say that is very unfair. Apart from rumple, regina and hook, they really didnt want that many villians to get redemption arcs. I guess um those two in the final season, druzilla and her mom got redeemed so that is great. And I get it, not every villian will be redeemed realistically, there are those who just want to stay evil till the end but at least with peter, u know they tried to give him a 2nd chance and rumple shot it back in his face and sent him to hell. I think what bothered me the most is just how the so called heroes got rewarded in the end even though they werent saints either, lets be honest, the fairy tale crew was just as dark and twisted as the villians, but they were another faction of protagonists that only cared for people they cared for. Idk, it still bothers me to this day and I wondered if it bothered anyone else and maybe some of u might know why they did that. 

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    • Any villains who abandoned their children and won't even regret it 200+ years after they did that are unredeemable.

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    • is that a rule or just ur opinion?

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    • Morality

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    • didn't ruple show signs of regrets I mean he went to great lengths to search for his son

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    • walecs-so explain to me please how rumple, regina and hook deserved it more than pan and the others?



      merlock-yes he did

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    • I never said they deserved it and I don't think they did

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    • i see

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    • Well... I guess because they're villains. And also there was simply not enough time to give every single villain a redemption arc. If every villain is redeemable then there is no sense of threat for the heroes.

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    • I disagree, there was more than enough time to give the villians redemption arcs



      also I would have had them redeemed after they got beaten or before they got beaten

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    • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote:
      I disagree, there was more than enough time to give the villians redemption arcs


      also I would have had them redeemed after they got beaten or before they got beaten

      I mean, you are kind of right, but they'd have to ignore every other character and their arcs. Which wouldn't be right.

      Also, not every villain needs a redemption arc. If every villain gets one, the show ends up weak with no sense of threat for our heroes. In my opinion they already had too many redemption arcs going on. 

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    • yeah but most of the characters they introduced, lets be honest didnt really matter in the end did they?, like the dwarfs, ruby, granny, etc. they were just there, heck even emma didnt really matter that much in the final season



      i get that but there were too many signs of pan being a good person, he wasnt just plain pure evil

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    • plus it totally negated the whole lines of evil isnt born, its made and peter pan never fails, they ended up meaning nothing

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    • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote:
      plus it totally negated the whole lines of evil isnt born, its made and peter pan never fails, they ended up meaning nothing

      Cruella was certainly living proof that evil is born.

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    • well again, that meant that line meant nothing

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    • I love redemption arcs, but not every villian needs them, and not every villian needs to have a sympathetic backstory. Some people just aren't good people, and that's what the show is about - how people react in different situations. Characters like Snow had every reason to turn evil, and they didn't. Characters like Pan could have chosen to be content with their life, but wanted more.

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    • Plus, if every villain got a redemption arc, it would get repetitive and wouldn't be as fun to watch. Some getting redeemed and others staying evil worked well, the way it was.

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    • i disagree



      plus there was moments of empathy in peter, they didnt capitalize on it

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    • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote: i disagree



      plus there was moments of empathy in peter, they didnt capitalize on it

      I think that was to show that he wasn't completely evil. They didn't seem to want any villain to be completely evil, since people aren't all evil and do have good sides. (besides Cruella who never showed any side of kindness, but she's a different case) But just because they have good sides, the villains can chose power, revenge, etc. over that because it is more important to them.

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    • i almost saw pan similar to like the punisher or deadpool if you ask me

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    • StarWars3456
      StarWars3456 removed this reply because:
      Nick Branson wrote: Plus, if every villain got a redemption arc, it would get repetitive and wouldn't be as fun to watch. Some getting redeemed and others staying evil worked well, the way it was. Of couse to be honest and real here, those that got redemption arcs did not get fully redeemed and haven't fully changed about some things. 1)Zelena not regretting anything for the murder of Neal and hasn't changed for still hating Dorothy (twoi unfinished stories), 2) Hook Prime is still a liar, and kept reverting more than once (and left with unfinished stories like murders of parents), 3) Regina was still lies about Graham's murder, nor was she seen giving back the hearts she ripped off and stored in her cubbard. Nothing personal, just fair points. Oh and in addition, Maleficent was, somewhat I guess, left a feud with Aurora/Phillip (another unfinshed story).
      23:39, July 14, 2019
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    • Yeah, I see your point that not all are the same. I'm sure that some of those were not solved because it would be hard to go back to past to resolve these. (Although, I would of liked to see a Zelena/Oz episode with Dorothy working with her, or LOVED an episode with Regina and Graham resolving their issues. Perhaps in the Underworld)

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    • yeah it wasnt fair basically

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    • How was it not fair? Pan was evil, even if every villain (except maybe Cruella) could be redeemed not every villain needs to, Hades, the idea of the Dark One, the Black Fairy and Gothel also weren't, and most of the half-season redemptions were pretty rushed because they had 11 episodes to do it.

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    • it was explained why it wasnt fair

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    • I believe Rumple did a good job of explaining it, Pan never really cared for his son, he may have convinced himself he did but every single time he was forced to choose between himself and Rumple he chose himself, Gold caught on to it and preemptively struck first.

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    • I feel like Pan could have loved his son and been a good father, had the Fiona not "died". After she was banished to the Dark Realm, Pan had resentment for Rumple, because he blamed him, which turned him into a neglectful father. Would have been interesting to see Pan and the Black Fairy together, before they became villains.

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    • even so, rumple wasnt any better, something else people seem to forget is yes pan was a douche for trying to kill his grandson to stay alive, that we can agree on but at least he did it to stay alive, rumple was trying to kill henry cause of a prophecy which turn out to not always be true, but somehow rumple gets rewarded for it and yes he got rewarded, i dont care if he sacrificed himself, he is in heaven now with belle and bae, pan is burning in hell forever cause he tried to make amends, that is what im saying guys



      also rumple wasnt a perfect dad either, people also seem to forget he was a coward just like his dad, but again apparently he has opportunities to make it right, pan only has 1 and he gets punished and im sure pan wasnt the only villian who tried to make amends and still got punished, im just saying he is the only one that comes to mind

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    • Rumple was eventually able to choose Baelfire and Belle and Henry over his power, it took him several tries, and perhaps given enough time Pan could have redeemed, but he was an immediate threat so he had to be killed. The other major villains without redemption were Greg and Tamara, who everyone hated, Cruella, explicitly written to be unredeemable, and Hades and Gothel, immediate threats who most likely needed killing to save everyone.

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    • Personally I think the show had too many redemptions going on already, which kind of hurt it. I'd have dropped a few.

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    • Rumple definitely no longer deserved one as of Season 5. In my opinion Regina didn't deserve it either.

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    • yeah well clearly the writers thought they did

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    • OUAT writers were lazy and incompetent, just have a read of the rant and rave section to know why.

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    • i am not going to get into a long detailed paragraph about why but ouat was an incredibly overrated show imo, sorry, it wasnt just how they treated peter pan either, there were other problems i noticed over the course of the series

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    • It got to a point where the show was redeeming too many villains. Regina, Rumple, Hook, Zelena, Cora, Ingrid, Maleficent, Ursula, Serum!Queen, Victoria, and Ivy all got redemption arcs or were at least forgiven despite the terrible things (some worse than others) that they did. Rumple and Zelena were two of my favorite characters, but I can admit that the writers might've jumped the shark on giving them happy endings. I'm grateful for the few villains (Pan and especially Cruella) that they just let be evil up to the very end.

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    • i agree but i felt there was some favortism that got in the way of the storyline but in a damaging way



      the writers can have their favorite characters but idk, i felt some of the arcs felt forced, and i still dont think the so called heroes were innocent either

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    • StarWars3456
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      DeviousPeep wrote: It got to a point where the show was redeeming too many villains. Regina, Rumple, Hook, Zelena, Cora, Ingrid, Maleficent, Ursula, Serum!Queen, Victoria, and Ivy all got redemption arcs or were at least forgiven despite the terrible things (some worse than others) that they did. Rumple and Zelena were two of my favorite characters, but I can admit that the writers might've jumped the shark on giving them happy endings. I'm grateful for the few villains (Pan and especially Cruella) that they just let be evil up to the very end.
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