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  • I’m rewatching once and I noticed in the earlier seasons / enchanted forest scenes that Snow, David and the rest killed a lot of guards. I’m not sure everyone did, but David, Grumpy and Red killed at least 1 guard / knights for sure. Later, when they are in Storybrooke, it’s a huge deal that Snow killed Cora and Emma killed Cruella. I think Snow said something to Emma like that’s not what good does, we don’t kill people blabla. This contradicts their past, because they did kill people. Why is it that killing guards isn’t seen as evil, but killing main characters is?

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    • She literally means not kill for pleasure. It was self-defense, the way they fought bad guys.

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    • I’m not entirely sure, but didn’t Emma kill Cruella in “self defense”? Cruella couldn’t kill anyone but Emma didn’t know that and she was pointing the gun at Henry

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    • Xssaart wrote: I’m not entirely sure, but didn’t Emma kill Cruella in “self defense”? Cruella couldn’t kill anyone but Emma didn’t know that and she was pointing the gun at Henry

      That seemed like the opposite. Funny thing is that despite her being dead, she did somehow pay Emma back for it by punching her in the face. And everyone, including Emma, knew that Snow was only trying to protect and save them, and all knew that Rumple was fully responsible, while Snow was only partially, by pointing out that he killed Cora to save his own life, as Regina (despite her being angry at Snow too), Charming and Emma said out loud in his face. And even though Snow was unhappy about it, Emma stated that she did what she had to do to save all.

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:

      Xssaart wrote: I’m not entirely sure, but didn’t Emma kill Cruella in “self defense”? Cruella couldn’t kill anyone but Emma didn’t know that and she was pointing the gun at Henry

      That seemed like the opposite. Funny thing is that despite her being dead, she did somehow pay Emma back for it by punching her in the face.

      And everyone, including Emma, knew that Snow was only trying to protect and save them, and all knew that Rumple was fully responsible, while Snow was only partially, by pointing out that he killed Cora to save his own life, as Regina (despite her being angry at Snow too), Charming and Emma said out loud in his face. And even though Snow was unhappy about it, Emma stated that she did what she had to do to save all.

      Of course not. Snow didn't kill Cora on self defense. She was desperate, ok. But she murdered Cora. Emma killed Cruella in self defense, I'm sure, but Snow didn't

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:

      Xssaart wrote: I’m not entirely sure, but didn’t Emma kill Cruella in “self defense”? Cruella couldn’t kill anyone but Emma didn’t know that and she was pointing the gun at Henry

      That seemed like the opposite. Funny thing is that despite her being dead, she did somehow pay Emma back for it by punching her in the face.

      And everyone, including Emma, knew that Snow was only trying to protect and save them, and all knew that Rumple was fully responsible, while Snow was only partially, by pointing out that he killed Cora to save his own life, as Regina (despite her being angry at Snow too), Charming and Emma said out loud in his face. And even though Snow was unhappy about it, Emma stated that she did what she had to do to save all.

      Of course not. Snow didn't kill Cora on self defense. She was desperate, ok. But she murdered Cora. Emma killed Cruella in self defense, I'm sure, but Snow didn't

      I never said anything about self-defense for Snow. I said she was saving her family for it. You misinterpreted. And mostly Rumple killed Cora too in his own way.

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:

      Xssaart wrote: I’m not entirely sure, but didn’t Emma kill Cruella in “self defense”? Cruella couldn’t kill anyone but Emma didn’t know that and she was pointing the gun at Henry

      That seemed like the opposite. Funny thing is that despite her being dead, she did somehow pay Emma back for it by punching her in the face.

      And everyone, including Emma, knew that Snow was only trying to protect and save them, and all knew that Rumple was fully responsible, while Snow was only partially, by pointing out that he killed Cora to save his own life, as Regina (despite her being angry at Snow too), Charming and Emma said out loud in his face. And even though Snow was unhappy about it, Emma stated that she did what she had to do to save all.

      Of course not. Snow didn't kill Cora on self defense. She was desperate, ok. But she murdered Cora. Emma killed Cruella in self defense, I'm sure, but Snow didn't
      I never said anything about self-defense for Snow. I said she was saving her family for it. You misinterpreted. And mostly Rumple killed Cora too in a different way.

      Well, there's been 3 years since I watched 2x16, but I'm pretty sure that Snow did it on her own. I mean, he may have influenced her, but she did it on her own

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    • Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:

      Xssaart wrote: I’m not entirely sure, but didn’t Emma kill Cruella in “self defense”? Cruella couldn’t kill anyone but Emma didn’t know that and she was pointing the gun at Henry

      That seemed like the opposite. Funny thing is that despite her being dead, she did somehow pay Emma back for it by punching her in the face.

      And everyone, including Emma, knew that Snow was only trying to protect and save them, and all knew that Rumple was fully responsible, while Snow was only partially, by pointing out that he killed Cora to save his own life, as Regina (despite her being angry at Snow too), Charming and Emma said out loud in his face. And even though Snow was unhappy about it, Emma stated that she did what she had to do to save all.

      Of course not. Snow didn't kill Cora on self defense. She was desperate, ok. But she murdered Cora. Emma killed Cruella in self defense, I'm sure, but Snow didn't
      I never said anything about self-defense for Snow. I said she was saving her family for it. You misinterpreted. And mostly Rumple killed Cora too in a different way.
      Well, there's been 3 years since I watched 2x16, but I'm pretty sure that Snow did it on her own. I mean, he may have influenced her, but she did it on her own

      Except Regina (despite her former anger with Snow too) said at Rumple's face in 2x17, "You killed my mother to save your own life". Which counts for him being the real murderer. Which was true. Emma said out loud in, Snow was only partially responsible, which makes Rumple fully. Rumple was getting most of the blame, though everyone on the good side was not blaming Snow. Also in 3x08, Emma reminded Rumple, by comparing the difference between him and her dad, that he only survived the dream shade by taking another life with the candle. Another reminder the he was the bigger murderer. If Snow really did it on her own, then Rumple wouldn't influence her in the first place.

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own

      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512

      Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:

      Xssaart wrote: I’m not entirely sure, but didn’t Emma kill Cruella in “self defense”? Cruella couldn’t kill anyone but Emma didn’t know that and she was pointing the gun at Henry

      That seemed like the opposite. Funny thing is that despite her being dead, she did somehow pay Emma back for it by punching her in the face.

      And everyone, including Emma, knew that Snow was only trying to protect and save them, and all knew that Rumple was fully responsible, while Snow was only partially, by pointing out that he killed Cora to save his own life, as Regina (despite her being angry at Snow too), Charming and Emma said out loud in his face. And even though Snow was unhappy about it, Emma stated that she did what she had to do to save all.

      Of course not. Snow didn't kill Cora on self defense. She was desperate, ok. But she murdered Cora. Emma killed Cruella in self defense, I'm sure, but Snow didn't
      I never said anything about self-defense for Snow. I said she was saving her family for it. You misinterpreted. And mostly Rumple killed Cora too in a different way.
      Well, there's been 3 years since I watched 2x16, but I'm pretty sure that Snow did it on her own. I mean, he may have influenced her, but she did it on her own
      Except Regina (despite her former anger with Snow too) said at Rumple's face in 2x17, "You killed my mother to save your own life". Which counts for him being the real murderer. Which was true. Emma said out loud in, Snow was only partially responsible, which makes Rumple fully. Rumple was getting most of the blame, though everyone on the good side was not blaming Snow. Also in 3x08, Emma reminded Rumple, by comparing the difference between him and her dad, that he only survived the dream shade by taking another life with the candle. Another reminder the he was the bigger murderer. If Snow really did it on her own, then Rumple wouldn't influence her in the first place.

      Uh... No? Snow killed Cora. It wasn't Rumple. Even if he manipulated her, it was Snow like all the time

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own
      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512

      Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.

      Tbh, all I see here is someone pressing Jane and she just said what they wanted to hear

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:

      Xssaart wrote: I’m not entirely sure, but didn’t Emma kill Cruella in “self defense”? Cruella couldn’t kill anyone but Emma didn’t know that and she was pointing the gun at Henry

      That seemed like the opposite. Funny thing is that despite her being dead, she did somehow pay Emma back for it by punching her in the face.

      And everyone, including Emma, knew that Snow was only trying to protect and save them, and all knew that Rumple was fully responsible, while Snow was only partially, by pointing out that he killed Cora to save his own life, as Regina (despite her being angry at Snow too), Charming and Emma said out loud in his face. And even though Snow was unhappy about it, Emma stated that she did what she had to do to save all.

      Of course not. Snow didn't kill Cora on self defense. She was desperate, ok. But she murdered Cora. Emma killed Cruella in self defense, I'm sure, but Snow didn't
      I never said anything about self-defense for Snow. I said she was saving her family for it. You misinterpreted. And mostly Rumple killed Cora too in a different way.
      Well, there's been 3 years since I watched 2x16, but I'm pretty sure that Snow did it on her own. I mean, he may have influenced her, but she did it on her own
      Except Regina (despite her former anger with Snow too) said at Rumple's face in 2x17, "You killed my mother to save your own life". Which counts for him being the real murderer. Which was true. Emma said out loud in, Snow was only partially responsible, which makes Rumple fully. Rumple was getting most of the blame, though everyone on the good side was not blaming Snow. Also in 3x08, Emma reminded Rumple, by comparing the difference between him and her dad, that he only survived the dream shade by taking another life with the candle. Another reminder the he was the bigger murderer. If Snow really did it on her own, then Rumple wouldn't influence her in the first place.
      Uh... No? Snow killed Cora. It wasn't Rumple. Even if he manipulated her, it was Snow like all the time

      Denial.

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:

      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own

      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512

      Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.

      Not really, she didn't remember what Nicky was asking about, all she said was if I tweeted a contradiction to the show the show was correct, really Isaac set them on the path by being the reason that they had to expel Lily.

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own
      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512

      Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.

      Tbh, all I see here is someone pressing Jane and she just said what they wanted to hear

      Except that's true.

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:

      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:

      Xssaart wrote: I’m not entirely sure, but didn’t Emma kill Cruella in “self defense”? Cruella couldn’t kill anyone but Emma didn’t know that and she was pointing the gun at Henry

      That seemed like the opposite. Funny thing is that despite her being dead, she did somehow pay Emma back for it by punching her in the face.

      And everyone, including Emma, knew that Snow was only trying to protect and save them, and all knew that Rumple was fully responsible, while Snow was only partially, by pointing out that he killed Cora to save his own life, as Regina (despite her being angry at Snow too), Charming and Emma said out loud in his face. And even though Snow was unhappy about it, Emma stated that she did what she had to do to save all.

      Of course not. Snow didn't kill Cora on self defense. She was desperate, ok. But she murdered Cora. Emma killed Cruella in self defense, I'm sure, but Snow didn't
      I never said anything about self-defense for Snow. I said she was saving her family for it. You misinterpreted. And mostly Rumple killed Cora too in a different way.
      Well, there's been 3 years since I watched 2x16, but I'm pretty sure that Snow did it on her own. I mean, he may have influenced her, but she did it on her own

      Except Regina (despite her former anger with Snow too) said at Rumple's face in 2x17, "You killed my mother to save your own life". Which counts for him being the real murderer. Which was true. Emma said out loud in, Snow was only partially responsible, which makes Rumple fully. Rumple was getting most of the blame, though everyone on the good side was not blaming Snow. Also in 3x08, Emma reminded Rumple, by comparing the difference between him and her dad, that he only survived the dream shade by taking another life with the candle. Another reminder the he was the bigger murderer. If Snow really did it on her own, then Rumple wouldn't influence her in the first place.

      Her heart was darkened by it, Rumple may have convinced her bit it was still her choice, people just don't like blaming Snow for it.

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    • Schroeswald wrote:

      TIAB1234 wrote:

      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own
      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512

      Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.

      Not really, she didn't remember what Nicky was asking about, all she said was if I tweeted a contradiction to the show the show was correct, really Isaac set them on the path by being the reason that they had to expel Lily.

      Exactly. Plus, Nicky was totally being rude to her, so she just said what she had to to make Nicky happy

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own
      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.
      Tbh, all I see here is someone pressing Jane and she just said what they wanted to hear
      Except that's true.

      Is it? Can you show that to me with some on-screen proof or actual confirmation by the writers?

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    • Schroeswald wrote:

      TIAB1234 wrote:

      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own
      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512

      Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.

      Not really, she didn't remember what Nicky was asking about, all she said was if I tweeted a contradiction to the show the show was correct, really Isaac set them on the path by being the reason that they had to expel Lily.

      Yes it is proof. You're not reading the whole conversation. This guy explained what she said earlier after she asked what he was talking about. Snow saying "he set them on the path by being the reason that they had to expel Lily," was her way of saying he wrote them to do it.

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:
      Schroeswald wrote:

      TIAB1234 wrote:


      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own
      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512

      Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.

      Not really, she didn't remember what Nicky was asking about, all she said was if I tweeted a contradiction to the show the show was correct, really Isaac set them on the path by being the reason that they had to expel Lily.
      Yes it is proof. You're not reading the whole conversation. This guy explained what she said earlier after she asked what he was talking about. Snow saying "he set them on the path by being the reason that they had to expel Lily," was her way of saying he wrote them to do it.

      No, it isn't proof. She said that she doesn't remember about this whole situation, plus, the person was rude to her, so she was just trying to run away from that

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    • @TIABUm no, no I didn't setting them on the path is not writing, Snow set Cora on the path to kill Daniel but she did not force Cora to kill Daniel, she did that all on her own.

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own
      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.
      Tbh, all I see here is someone pressing Jane and she just said what they wanted to hear
      Except that's true.
      Is it? Can you show that to me with some on-screen proof or actual confirmation by the writers?

      Don't be funny with me. https://mobile.twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/824651116314890240

      And the guy was not pressing on her. It was like how people got some the writers that they make a mistake in writing Hook saying to Emma in 3x21 that defeated Zelena and Malcolm, which was not true. The writers confessed in a way they made a mistake.

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own
      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.
      Tbh, all I see here is someone pressing Jane and she just said what they wanted to hear
      Except that's true.
      Is it? Can you show that to me with some on-screen proof or actual confirmation by the writers?
      Don't be funny with me. https://mobile.twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/824651116314890240

      And the guy was not pressing on her. It was like how people got some the writers that they make a mistake in writing Hook saying to Emma in 3x21 that defeated Zelena and Malcolm, which was not true. The writers confessed in a way they made a mistake.

      I'm not being funny with you. And yes, he was. Look at this: "I demand you to tell the truth. The season 4 finale tells opposite of your answer when he was arrested. No lies." This is rude. She clearly felt offended

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:

      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own
      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.
      Tbh, all I see here is someone pressing Jane and she just said what they wanted to hear
      Except that's true.
      Is it? Can you show that to me with some on-screen proof or actual confirmation by the writers?

      Don't be funny with me. https://mobile.twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/824651116314890240

      And the guy was not pressing on her. It was like how people got some the writers that they make a mistake in writing Hook saying to Emma in 3x21 that defeated Zelena and Malcolm, which was not true. The writers confessed in a way they made a mistake.

      Jane clearly doesn't remember the line and doesn't seem to interpret it that way, Nicky is being rude, he demands that she tells the truth and says it rudely.

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    • Schroeswald wrote:
      @TIABUm no, no I didn't setting them on the path is not writing,
      Actually it does in a way. It's like saying, George Lucas set Anakin on a path to turn to the dark side.
      Snow set Cora on the path to kill Daniel but she did not force Cora to kill Daniel, she did that all on her own.
      No, by being influenced by Rumple, Remember?
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    • Schroeswald wrote:

      TIAB1234 wrote:

      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own
      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.
      Tbh, all I see here is someone pressing Jane and she just said what they wanted to hear
      Except that's true.
      Is it? Can you show that to me with some on-screen proof or actual confirmation by the writers?
      Don't be funny with me. https://mobile.twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/824651116314890240

      And the guy was not pressing on her. It was like how people got some the writers that they make a mistake in writing Hook saying to Emma in 3x21 that defeated Zelena and Malcolm, which was not true. The writers confessed in a way they made a mistake.

      Jane clearly doesn't remember the line and doesn't seem to interpret it that way, Nicky is being rude, he demands that she tells the truth and says it rudely.

      Your only misinterpreting the conversation.

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    • 'TIAB1234 wrote:
      Schroeswald wrote:
      @TIABUm no, no I didn't setting them on the path is not writing,
      Actually it does in a way. It's like saying, George Lucas set Anakin on a path to turn to the dark side.
      Snow set Cora on the path to kill Daniel but she did not force Cora to kill Daniel, she did that all on her own.
      No, by being influenced by Rumple, Remember?

      No, it doesn't. Snow did what she did on her own

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:
      Schroeswald wrote:

      TIAB1234 wrote:


      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own
      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.
      Tbh, all I see here is someone pressing Jane and she just said what they wanted to hear
      Except that's true.
      Is it? Can you show that to me with some on-screen proof or actual confirmation by the writers?
      Don't be funny with me. https://mobile.twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/824651116314890240

      And the guy was not pressing on her. It was like how people got some the writers that they make a mistake in writing Hook saying to Emma in 3x21 that defeated Zelena and Malcolm, which was not true. The writers confessed in a way they made a mistake.

      Jane clearly doesn't remember the line and doesn't seem to interpret it that way, Nicky is being rude, he demands that she tells the truth and says it rudely.
      Your only misinterpreting the conversation.

      No, I'm not. That Nicky person was acting like a jerk with Jane for no reason. She was clearly upset and he was clearly rude, so don't expect me to believe that that conversation actually proves something

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    • MOD:This is getting offtopic (and I know that I'm apart of it), we aren't debating whether or not that counts as murder because immediately after them Snow saw herself as murdering Cora and they all called killing Cruella "crossing a line" for like an episode.

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    • Schroeswald wrote:
      MOD:This is getting offtopic (and I know that I'm apart of it), we aren't debating whether or not that counts as murder because immediately after them Snow saw herself as murdering Cora and they all called killing Cruella "crossing a line" for like an episode.

      I don't think this is getting off-topic. The point of the thread is discussing murders commited by the heroes, which is exactly what we're doing

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Schroeswald wrote:

      TIAB1234 wrote:


      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own
      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.
      Tbh, all I see here is someone pressing Jane and she just said what they wanted to hear
      Except that's true.
      Is it? Can you show that to me with some on-screen proof or actual confirmation by the writers?
      Don't be funny with me. https://mobile.twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/824651116314890240And the guy was not pressing on her. It was like how people got some the writers that they make a mistake in writing Hook saying to Emma in 3x21 that defeated Zelena and Malcolm, which was not true. The writers confessed in a way they made a mistake.
      Jane clearly doesn't remember the line and doesn't seem to interpret it that way, Nicky is being rude, he demands that she tells the truth and says it rudely.
      Your only misinterpreting the conversation.
      No, I'm not. That Nicky person was acting like a jerk with Jane for no reason. She was clearly upset and he was clearly rude, so don't expect me to believe that that conversation actually proves something

      By reading the conversation again, I hardly any jerk talking. He just didn't like fwhat appeared to be false info. I found nothing that hints she was upset. You're just putting words in.

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:
      'TIAB1234 wrote:
      Schroeswald wrote:
      @TIABUm no, no I didn't setting them on the path is not writing,
      Actually it does in a way. It's like saying, George Lucas set Anakin on a path to turn to the dark side.
      Snow set Cora on the path to kill Daniel but she did not force Cora to kill Daniel, she did that all on her own.
      No, by being influenced by Rumple, Remember?
      No, it doesn't. Snow did what she did on her own

      By Rumple, who influenced her. And by the way, I relating the George Lucas' writing for Snow killing Cora.

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:

      Schroeswald wrote:
      MOD:This is getting offtopic (and I know that I'm apart of it), we aren't debating whether or not that counts as murder because immediately after them Snow saw herself as murdering Cora and they all called killing Cruella "crossing a line" for like an episode.

      I don't think this is getting off-topic. The point of the thread is discussing murders commited by the heroes, which is exactly what we're doing

      The mod was a bit too harsh but I'm saying we should get a bit closer to the actual title of the thread.

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Schroeswald wrote:

      TIAB1234 wrote:



      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own
      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.
      Tbh, all I see here is someone pressing Jane and she just said what they wanted to hear
      Except that's true.
      Is it? Can you show that to me with some on-screen proof or actual confirmation by the writers?
      Don't be funny with me. https://mobile.twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/824651116314890240And the guy was not pressing on her. It was like how people got some the writers that they make a mistake in writing Hook saying to Emma in 3x21 that defeated Zelena and Malcolm, which was not true. The writers confessed in a way they made a mistake.
      Jane clearly doesn't remember the line and doesn't seem to interpret it that way, Nicky is being rude, he demands that she tells the truth and says it rudely.
      Your only misinterpreting the conversation.
      No, I'm not. That Nicky person was acting like a jerk with Jane for no reason. She was clearly upset and he was clearly rude, so don't expect me to believe that that conversation actually proves something
      By reading the conversation again, I hardly any jerk talking. He just didn't like fwhat appeared to be false info. I found nothing that hints she was upset. You're just putting words in.

      No, I'm not and, don't accuse me to be. If anyone sees that conversation, they will agree with what Schroeswald and I are saying. Plus, you seem to know exactly what he was feeling, right Nicky... I mean, TIAB

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    • Schroeswald wrote:

      Matheus1234zx wrote:

      Schroeswald wrote:
      MOD:This is getting offtopic (and I know that I'm apart of it), we aren't debating whether or not that counts as murder because immediately after them Snow saw herself as murdering Cora and they all called killing Cruella "crossing a line" for like an episode.
      I don't think this is getting off-topic. The point of the thread is discussing murders commited by the heroes, which is exactly what we're doing
      The mod was a bit too harsh but I'm saying we should get a bit closer to the actual title of the thread.

      Okay, S. If you say so...

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Schroeswald wrote:

      TIAB1234 wrote:




      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own
      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.
      Tbh, all I see here is someone pressing Jane and she just said what they wanted to hear
      Except that's true.
      Is it? Can you show that to me with some on-screen proof or actual confirmation by the writers?
      Don't be funny with me. https://mobile.twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/824651116314890240And the guy was not pressing on her. It was like how people got some the writers that they make a mistake in writing Hook saying to Emma in 3x21 that defeated Zelena and Malcolm, which was not true. The writers confessed in a way they made a mistake.
      Jane clearly doesn't remember the line and doesn't seem to interpret it that way, Nicky is being rude, he demands that she tells the truth and says it rudely.
      Your only misinterpreting the conversation.
      No, I'm not. That Nicky person was acting like a jerk with Jane for no reason. She was clearly upset and he was clearly rude, so don't expect me to believe that that conversation actually proves something
      By reading the conversation again, I hardly any jerk talking. He just didn't like fwhat appeared to be false info. I found nothing that hints she was upset. You're just putting words in.
      No, I'm not and, don't accuse me to be. If anyone sees that conversation, they will agree with what Schroeswald and I are saying. Plus, you seem to know exactly what he was feeling, right Nicky... I mean, TIAB

      I'm afraid that is not true that people would agree with what you or Schroeswald would say. By reading and exploring other sites with forums and discussions, others who saw the link, what I or anyone else just posted. Trust me, I web surf, research, and read.

      And don't call me someone I am not. Knowing how someone else feels does not make them the same person. Everyone here has already been reported not to accuse me as that person. Don't make me report you too.

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Schroeswald wrote:

      TIAB1234 wrote:




      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own
      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.
      Tbh, all I see here is someone pressing Jane and she just said what they wanted to hear
      Except that's true.
      Is it? Can you show that to me with some on-screen proof or actual confirmation by the writers?
      Don't be funny with me. https://mobile.twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/824651116314890240And the guy was not pressing on her. It was like how people got some the writers that they make a mistake in writing Hook saying to Emma in 3x21 that defeated Zelena and Malcolm, which was not true. The writers confessed in a way they made a mistake.
      Jane clearly doesn't remember the line and doesn't seem to interpret it that way, Nicky is being rude, he demands that she tells the truth and says it rudely.
      Your only misinterpreting the conversation.
      No, I'm not. That Nicky person was acting like a jerk with Jane for no reason. She was clearly upset and he was clearly rude, so don't expect me to believe that that conversation actually proves something
      By reading the conversation again, I hardly any jerk talking. He just didn't like fwhat appeared to be false info. I found nothing that hints she was upset. You're just putting words in.
      No, I'm not and, don't accuse me to be. If anyone sees that conversation, they will agree with what Schroeswald and I are saying. Plus, you seem to know exactly what he was feeling, right Nicky... I mean, TIAB
      I'm afraid that is not true that people would agree with what you or Schroeswald would say. By reading and exploring other sites with forums and discussions, others who saw the link, what I or anyone else just posted. Trust me, I web surf and read.

      And don't call me someone I am not. Knowing how someone else feels does not make them the same person. Everyone here has already been reported not to accuse me as that person. Don't make me report you too.

      Well, I just think that it is funny that you have a similar writing, similar personality, similar interests (yr profile picture is on Nicky's tweets) and how you always links Nicky's twitter and seems to agree on everything that he says.

      Also, I'd like to see more people that agree with Nicky's rude attitude, so if you could please show me...

      And if you want to report me, go ahead. I won't take back what I said

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Schroeswald wrote:

      TIAB1234 wrote:




      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Plus, her heart was already a bit dark cos of that Lily stuff so, yeah, she did it on her own
      Not according to this confession from Jane on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/nickyaiuto1/status/824611608299200512Proof that Isaac Altered her and made her do it. Read it.
      Tbh, all I see here is someone pressing Jane and she just said what they wanted to hear
      Except that's true.
      Is it? Can you show that to me with some on-screen proof or actual confirmation by the writers?
      Don't be funny with me. https://mobile.twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/824651116314890240And the guy was not pressing on her. It was like how people got some the writers that they make a mistake in writing Hook saying to Emma in 3x21 that defeated Zelena and Malcolm, which was not true. The writers confessed in a way they made a mistake.
      Jane clearly doesn't remember the line and doesn't seem to interpret it that way, Nicky is being rude, he demands that she tells the truth and says it rudely.
      Your only misinterpreting the conversation.
      No, I'm not. That Nicky person was acting like a jerk with Jane for no reason. She was clearly upset and he was clearly rude, so don't expect me to believe that that conversation actually proves something
      By reading the conversation again, I hardly any jerk talking. He just didn't like fwhat appeared to be false info. I found nothing that hints she was upset. You're just putting words in.
      No, I'm not and, don't accuse me to be. If anyone sees that conversation, they will agree with what Schroeswald and I are saying. Plus, you seem to know exactly what he was feeling, right Nicky... I mean, TIAB
      I'm afraid that is not true that people would agree with what you or Schroeswald would say. By reading and exploring other sites with forums and discussions, others who saw the link, what I or anyone else just posted. Trust me, I web surf and read.

      And don't call me someone I am not. Knowing how someone else feels does not make them the same person. Everyone here has already been reported not to accuse me as that person. Don't make me report you too.

      Well, I just think that it is funny that you have a similar writing, similar personality, similar interests (yr profile picture is on Nicky's tweets) and how you always links Nicky's twitter and seems to agree on everything that he says. Well, it's not true. Not everyone has good writing. Sometimes we type fast.

      Also, I'd like to see more people that agree with Nicky's rude attitude, so if you could please show me...You'll only continue deceving yourself.

      And if you want to report me, go ahead. I won't take back what I said The administer would. An there you go rude.

      Since you are accusing me, I just reported you.

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    • Okay. Tbh, I don't care. I won't take back what I said. That's my opinion and it won't change. And I wasn't just talking about the writing.

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Okay. Tbh, I don't care. I won't take back what I said. That's my opinion and it won't change. And I wasn't just talking about the writing.

      A rude trolling opinion.

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Okay. Tbh, I don't care. I won't take back what I said. That's my opinion and it won't change. And I wasn't just talking about the writing.
      A rude trolling opinion.

      Wait... What? Trolling? You've got to be kidding me...

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    • Now it has gone off-topic. Any further comments here about the Nicky/TIAB1234 thing will be removed.

      Back to the topic, Rumple told MM the candle would defeat Cora. It was her decision to kill her. It was simply a suggestion Rumple made.

      Issac might of wrote it but I think he wrote elements to change the story; made the Apprentice lead them there. We have no proof he wrote it. And no, Jane's tweet didn't count. She clearly didn't know much about what he meant. She was just trying to make him happy which she shouldn't of had to. The show is a gift from them to us; it's not okay to be rude to the writers to get answers. There is no denying he was being rude. Especially by the leading post: "I demand you to tell the truth. The season 4 finale tells opposite of your answer when he was arrested. No lies." He/she does not get to demand Jane or tell her not to lie. No one deserves to be treated that way.

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    • Nick Branson wrote:

      Issac might of wrote it but I think he wrote elements to change the story; made the Apprentice lead them there. We have no proof he wrote it. And no, Jane's tweet didn't count. Actually that tweet did count. Don't misinterpret this as rude, but it only doesn't count for you to be honest. Also, we had no proof at sight that he made the Apprentice do this, until the apprentice revealed so in his words. Same sort of words from Snowing when arresting him. It wouldn't be the only mistake Jane made. I mean, she said that the wish characters were not real and were only made by magic, for example.

      She clearly didn't know much about what he meant. that was before this Nick guy gave a little more details on what he/she was talking about. Despite how she said she had no memory, she, she gave an apology anyway.

      She was just trying to make him happy which she shouldn't of had to. Writers do that sometimes (rarely I think). Just like how they gave details of how Liam II was all grown up during the first curse; gave an a confession of how they wrongly wrote Hook saying to Emma in 3x21 that defeated Zelena and Malcolm, when it wasn't her.

      The show is a gift from them to us; it's not okay to be rude to the writers to get answers.I agree on that.

      There is no denying he was being rude. Especially by the leading post: "I demand you to tell the truth. The season 4 finale tells opposite of your answer when he was arrested. No lies." I agree that was rude of him, but he did somewhat point out how the writers were known to lie a lot in the past.

      He/she does not get to demand Jane or tell her not to lie. No one deserves to be treated that way.He/she was not the only one. We all know that some people from twitter sometimes react the same way. It happens.

      Okay I may be off topic. But if that is all we have to say, I guess we can drop it.

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    • Xssaart wrote:
      I’m not entirely sure, but didn’t Emma kill Cruella in “self defense”? Cruella couldn’t kill anyone but Emma didn’t know that and she was pointing the gun at Henry

      To be honest I always thought that, indeed, Emma killing Cruella was self-defense and never bought the 'Emma's becoming evil' thing. To be honest I think the whole storyline was not handled well, but that's another story.



      Anyway, you have to consider that Cora's murder was premeditated while the guards' were not.

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:

      Nick Branson wrote:

      Issac might of wrote it but I think he wrote elements to change the story; made the Apprentice lead them there. We have no proof he wrote it. And no, Jane's tweet didn't count. Actually that tweet did count. Don't misinterpret this as rude, but it only doesn't count for you to be honest. Also, we had no proof at sight that he made the Apprentice do this, until the apprentice revealed so in his words. Same sort of words from Snowing when arresting him. It wouldn't be the only mistake Jane made. I mean, she said that the wish characters were not real and were only made by magic, for example.

      She clearly didn't know much about what he meant. that was before this Nick guy gave a little more details on what he/she was talking about. Despite how she said she had no memory, she, she gave an apology anyway.

      She was just trying to make him happy which she shouldn't of had to. Writers do that sometimes (rarely I think). Just like how they gave details of how Liam II was all grown up during the first curse; gave an a confession of how they wrongly wrote Hook saying to Emma in 3x21 that defeated Zelena and Malcolm, when it wasn't her.

      The show is a gift from them to us; it's not okay to be rude to the writers to get answers.I agree on that.

      There is no denying he was being rude. Especially by the leading post: "I demand you to tell the truth. The season 4 finale tells opposite of your answer when he was arrested. No lies." I agree that was rude of him, but he did somewhat point out how the writers were known to lie a lot in the past.

      He/she does not get to demand Jane or tell her not to lie. No one deserves to be treated that way.He/she was not the only one. We all know that some people from twitter sometimes react the same way. It happens.

      Okay I may be off topic. But if that is all we have to say, I guess we can drop it.

      1. Nicky basically bullied her into saying what he wanted her to say. Jane being wrong about the wish realm because the show was wrong about the wish realm.

      5. Just because other people do it doesn’t mean it’s okay.

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    • Schroeswald wrote:

      TIAB1234 wrote:

      Nick Branson wrote:

      Issac might of wrote it but I think he wrote elements to change the story; made the Apprentice lead them there. We have no proof he wrote it. And no, Jane's tweet didn't count. Actually that tweet did count. Don't misinterpret this as rude, but it only doesn't count for you to be honest. Also, we had no proof at sight that he made the Apprentice do this, until the apprentice revealed so in his words. Same sort of words from Snowing when arresting him. It wouldn't be the only mistake Jane made. I mean, she said that the wish characters were not real and were only made by magic, for example.

      She clearly didn't know much about what he meant. that was before this Nick guy gave a little more details on what he/she was talking about. Despite how she said she had no memory, she, she gave an apology anyway.

      She was just trying to make him happy which she shouldn't of had to. Writers do that sometimes (rarely I think). Just like how they gave details of how Liam II was all grown up during the first curse; gave an a confession of how they wrongly wrote Hook saying to Emma in 3x21 that defeated Zelena and Malcolm, when it wasn't her.

      The show is a gift from them to us; it's not okay to be rude to the writers to get answers.I agree on that.

      There is no denying he was being rude. Especially by the leading post: "I demand you to tell the truth. The season 4 finale tells opposite of your answer when he was arrested. No lies." I agree that was rude of him, but he did somewhat point out how the writers were known to lie a lot in the past.

      He/she does not get to demand Jane or tell her not to lie. No one deserves to be treated that way.He/she was not the only one. We all know that some people from twitter sometimes react the same way. It happens.

      Okay I may be off topic. But if that is all we have to say, I guess we can drop it.

      1. Nicky basically bullied her into saying what he wanted her to say. Jane being wrong about the wish realm because the show was wrong about the wish realm.By reading again, that was not the whole truth. You're making it sound like you're trying to twist what's going on.

      5. Just because other people do it doesn’t mean it’s okay. I never said it's okay for other people to be rude just because they do it sometimes. All I said was, it happens. Don't misinterpret

      I like to go back in topic about self-defense against the guards.

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    • (MOD): No further discussion about Isaac, Cruella, etc. Black Knights and the fighting between them and our here’s is the topic. All further off-topic posts will be deleted.

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    • I think the first post explains it, it was self defense. There was no other way to deal with Regina's knights at the time. If the option to KO them with magic powder was available, I'm sure that would have been used instead. Are all of the Black Knights human or are some Regina's creations? I've never been sure about that since they are almost treated like golems or throwaway monsters from Power Rangers by everyone. 

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    • Answering the original post, heroes killing evil minions is a common thing that happens in lots of fantasy and sci fi (and even just action/adverture in general), and it never bothers the heroes. I chalk it up to being a book/movie/tv show trope. But it is a bit silly when you think about how emotional the heroes get if they kill one named character, but unnamed, faceless people, they don't care. 

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Answering the original post, heroes killing evil minions is a common thing that happens in lots of fantasy and sci fi (and even just action/adverture in general), and it never bothers the heroes. I chalk it up to being a book/movie/tv show trope. But it is a bit silly when you think about how emotional the heroes get if they kill one named character, but unnamed, faceless people, they don't care. 

      Lol couldn't agree more.

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    • Wow, lot of replies 😂😂 I only got one notification and then didn’t bother checking again. It’s still weird that they kill so many people but preaching about not killing all the time. Only time, as far as I can think of, they didn’t care about a (semi) main character was Arthur 😂. I know he was kind of bad, but not as bad as Cora. I still think they should’ve killed Zelena for good. Even as Kelly, she’s annoying as hell. But thanks for the replies!

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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