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  • It's never really been expanded upon. Turning them to stone or wood (like the mermaid) presumably just traps them, definitely so for being turned to tin (until the Tin Man was smashed to pieces somehow, rest in Olympus), but what about being turned into regular inanimate objects?

    Gaston is an interesting case for this - he was turned into a rose, and shows up in the underworld, saying Rumpel killed him. While his death is definite, it is never made clear whether the cause of death was being turned into a rose in itself, or having his stem cut by Belle afterwards.

    The other notable cases that I remember are Gepetto's parents being turned into puppets, Achmed and Jafar being turned into staffs, and Gothel being turned into a tree.

    I know the show doesn't seem to make it 100% clear, but does turning them into these objects actually kill them or does it just trap them? (They don't seem to be able to reverse this)

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    • Well, Rumple didn't technically "murder" Gaston, but he set him up to be murdered . I think Belle chopping off his stem (good lord that would sound weird in a different context) killed him, but we can't really blame her for it. Hence his blood is on Rumple's hands.

      It's an interesting debate... I think if they were turned into an inanimate object for long enough they'd surely suffocate/dehydrate/starve to death.... right.

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    • Well yeah, we know Rumple alone is responsible for Gaston's death, if Belle's the one that killed him she was completely unaware of it. What I'm asking is more to know the status of Jafar and Gothel.

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    • I mean presumably becoming a staff doesn't kill you (Amara), and it is possible to get out (also Amara), though the puppets don't matter since no one can fix it, Gothel's tree looks dead so she probably is.

      I think that if you become a living thing you can die from what kills it(Gaston) but as an inanimate object you might not die, or you die instantly, or the spell is made to be able to end.

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    • Good point, roses and trees are technically living, Gaston died in rose form, if Gothel was a dead tree, she's probably dead, and if Amara came back from being a staff (never saw that spinoff), Jafar's probably just trapped.

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    • I guess if you're turned into a tree you can... photosynthesise and stay alive? That's what trees do, right?

      Also given that Drizzy survived after being a statue for 8 years, I guess being turned into an inanimate object is sort of suspended animation, so you don't need to breathe/eat/drink etc.

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    • I figured as much. Inanimate objects don't need to eat.

      So, is Gothel a dead tree or just an evil-looking tree that's still alive? She's not listed among the deaths here

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    • Her status is speculative so we list her under turned into a tree.

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    • For the time being I'll say she's still alive as the tree (though I'll say the opposite for ponies who succumbed to swamp fever as it'd be a worse fate than death, for Gothel that doesn't matter coz she's evil). Doesn't make a huge difference to me, as long as Pan, Cruella, Hades, the Black Fairy, and Greg stay dead. (None of them has been revived, right?)

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    • They all are very very dead, and none of them became inanimate objects so I’m not sure how that’s related.

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    • I'm saying I won't be super-disappointed if she's not dead, and I would be if they don't stay dead, especially with what recently happened on Supernatural.

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    • The transformation "deaths" are always hard to figure out. We have cases of people simply being in an object state and still coming back into human form (off the top of my head: Drizella, Merlin, and Amara), and yet others seem to be permanent (Gepetto's parents). Basically, it is whatever the writers decide it is.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: The transformation "deaths" are always hard to figure out. We have cases of people simply being in an object state and still coming back into human form (off the top of my head: Drizella, Merlin, and Amara), and yet others seem to be permanent (Gepetto's parents). Basically, it is whatever the writers decide it is.

      I agree with that. Also, usually if the object looks dead it probably is. (Gothel probably is dead even though we don't have proof)

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    • If it's permanent we can just assume or headcanon they're dead, so Gepetto's parents can be resting in Olympus rather than trapped forever. Jafar will still be alive as a staff but he's evil.

      So, Gothel counts as presumed dead then at least, since the tree she turned into looks dead?

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