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  • So I recently removed the counterpart section from Chief and Nurse Ratched because of the merge, they were undone so I was advised to bring it up in a thread, if the pages are merged we don't need a counterpart section in their page and if it doesn't have an image in the infobox they can assume we haven't seen them which makes this part of the infobox unneeded.

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    • Agree. I don't know why your edits were reverted.

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    • I agree as well. I don't see why we need it. If the infobox shows no counterpart, then it's obvious to the reader that the counterpart is unknown.

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    • Yup, I agree

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    • Agree too.

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    • It’s essential, because when there is no “Counterpart = Unknown”, it can be assumed as those characters are born in Storybrooke, like Robin. Plus, we still have Counterparts section in some infoboxes, like Prince Phillip.

      I also think it’s interesting to see that we don’t know those characters’ original personas, even after 6 years.

      I disagree with your suggestion.

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    • CadoDoan wrote: It’s essential, because when there is no “Counterpart = Unknown”, it can be assumed as those characters are born in Storybrooke, like Robin. Plus, we still have Counterparts section in some infoboxes, like Prince Phillip.

      I also think it’s interesting to see that we don’t know those characters’ original personas, even after 6 years.

      I disagree with your suggestion.

      Check the page again, its not there. All the pages are merged and so we don't need a counterpart section if we don't have counterpart pages.

      Its not needed in the infobox, we don't list it in every single co-star's section on the List of Minor Characters, we aren't going to assume that Chief, Floyd and Nurse Ratched were born in Storybrooke because they were all adults during S1 and their infobox pictures say so.

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    • Exactly. Since the pages are merged now, there's really no reason to have links to the other counterparts in the infoboxes. Personally, I prefer them merged because it makes browsing the history sections easier.

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    • Hmmm, I'm split on this. Yes, I see what Cado is saying about how it is important to show that they had an original self so I think I'm leaning more towards his reasoning. But I can also see why it's not needed anymore now that the pages are merged.

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    • As long as we indicate they are cursed personas, we should be good to go. But if that is unclear, then we need to do what Cado says.

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    • I believe that having a vague Before First Curse section saying [Insert Person Here] was living within the bounds of the first dark curse would work for making sure we indicate that they are cursed.

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    • Schroeswald wrote: I believe that having a vague Before First Curse section saying [Insert Person Here] was living within the bounds of the first dark curse would work for making sure we indicate that they are cursed.

      That could also work. Any other thoughts?

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    • Is there a consensus here on anything?

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    • If we could read everything on history, there is no need for infoboxes.

      Infoboxes are used for quick-important information. We see cursed characters are cursed thanks to their infoboxes. Same for Nurse Ratched and Chef. We have to know that they are cursed but we don’t know who their counterparts are in the infobox.

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    • I just don't think explaining that is important, they are adult Storybrooke characters and they have one tab. They all have one actor, they all have pictures as adults during the first curse. I do think there might be a better way in the intro to clarify that but Counterpat: Unkown is a relic, it is clearly meant as a link to their counterpart and if we don't have counterparts it is weird.

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    • Schroeswald is right. It looks as it is meant to give a link to their counterpart. I think adding it in the history section is best.

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    • If there was something to put in the infobox or intro section that is not clearly a relic of split pages I would support that but I can't think of any way to do that which doesn't sound weird.

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    • Re: Nick Branson: Your suggestion could work, acknowledging it in the History section that they had a previous identity but it is unknown at the time.

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    • Any other thoughts?

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    • Guys, history section is entirely different.

      Can someone remind me why we have "Cause of Death", even though "the history includes that certain character's death in it?" See my point? We needed that IMPORTANT information in the infobox (As I myself agreed to do so). We can't just want A, but also do not want B, even though A and B are on the same path. Because that's inconsistency (This, of course, also includes other A and Bs that I do not remember right now).

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    • Could there be a better way to give this information, sure, but this is not the way, it clearly implies that it should link to a different page, if you think of something better I will vote for it but this is not the best of the said options.

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    • The unknown counterpart looks like it's supposed to be link to the other counterpart page. It was made that way, it looks that way. So you think where is MM's counterpart link? Oh, right, the pages were merged.

      Another way to do this, the only other way I think, is to put a second picture in the infobox with the unknown and a NoImage.jpg.

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    • I concede Nick's suggestion.

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    • Any other opinions?

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    • Nick Branson wrote: The unknown counterpart looks like it's supposed to be link to the other counterpart page. It was made that way, it looks that way. So you think where is MM's counterpart link? Oh, right, the pages were merged.

      Another way to do this, the only other way I think, is to put a second picture in the infobox with the unknown and a NoImage.jpg.

      I realize this wouln't work since the NoImage says it needs one, which isn't the case. Any other opinions on this?

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    • If we get that image for mentioned things passed we could use that.

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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