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  • ok he is not the most intresting character and Gilmore is not a very good actor but i find him very underrated, many people says he is annoyng but strangely i never found him annoyng. maybe a bit moralist but it's ok, i liked him becuse he was a true believer and very determinated in his faith i don't think it's a bad thing.

    Ok after the first season he becomes useless but it was not easy give him a role after Emma recovered her memories, when he became the author i hoped a major role for him, in the five season is very embarassing but in my opinion is very much worse Rumple after the great development in the first three seasons return bad ruining all his characterization.

    yes he doesn't like Regina but just in the firsts seasons when she gaslights him into believing he's crazy, wipes his memories, and forces him to love her.

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    • First of all: I think Jared is one of the weakest actors of the show. I really don't know what happened to him after S1; he was so great and cute. In S2 he was tolerable but after that he felt just... awkward. I think the writers are also to blame, because they still treated him like a kid in S4 (gosh, in Sympathy for the De Vil I can't deny I wanted Cruella to push him from the cliff XD). And what to say about S5... Especially in the finale he was ATROCIOUS. I couldn't stand him wanting to destroy magic and all.

      Anyway, I found him better in S7, he was one of the few enjoyable things. Watching him as an adult was nice (despite some terrible things, looking at you Jacinda XD), and I liked Jared a lot better, especially in 7x21. He felt more mature.

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    • Henry is fine up until season 4. That's when the writers made him more Regina-like {IMO}. I dislike how he pretty much ignored Emma andmade Regina out to be some kind of super-mom. His bouts of attitude are annoying and sometimes dumb. I did get a laugh out of one in season 6 though. It's hilarious how, after almost sending him to the Underworld ofall places, the one thing that turns him off to Hook is not getting to eat a pop-tart. LOL! 

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    • Because some people in the audience haven't grasped the concept that he is a child/pre teen and expect him to react to things the way adults do. And he's also an abuse survivor, which is obviously going to colour the way he reacts to things, like what Avatar Beta said about how he spends all his time with Regina and makes her out to be some kind of supermum.

      Also, Jared is a very capable actor. Watch 6x06, he's great in that.  And he plays Pan in 3x10 brilliantly. The issue was the writers making him rehash the same things since s4, either "author gibberish" or "no mom, you've changed!"

      And like you said, a small number of Regina fans hated him in s1 and thought he was an "ungrateful brat" because he didn't willingly submit to her abuse (the same way a small number of Rumple fans hated Belle in season 6).

      Henry Swan is very precious and I will protect him with my life.

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    • I just find him okay throughout the whole show, Jared is a good actor, especially since we’ve barely seen him as an adult, it’s just they don’t give him much to do. I think that in S4 he was with Regina more because she had earned it, outside of that weirdness with Sydney she had been redeemed. I didn’t feel like he was ignoring Emma until S7 and that’s just because JMo was gone. He does a ton of things with Emma and Regina, you just don’t like Regina very much.

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    • The only real complaints I see about Henry (Jared) is that his acting is bad or annoying. I have seen this complaint from people of other fandoms as well about various child actors, and so I agree with Aine, it is because some people don't understand that a child actor playing a child character is going to act like a child does. As for Adult Henry (Andrew), I don't think I even really saw any complaints about him, and in general I think people were happy with Andrew's portrayal.

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    • Aine1989 wrote:
      Because some people in the audience haven't grasped the concept that he is a child/pre teen and expect him to react to things the way adults do. And he's also an abuse survivor, which is obviously going to colour the way he reacts to things, like what Avatar Beta said about how he spends all his time with Regina and makes her out to be some kind of supermum.

      Also, Jared is a very capable actor. Watch 6x06, he's great in that.  And he plays Pan in 3x10 brilliantly. The issue was the writers making him rehash the same things since s4, either "author gibberish" or "no mom, you've changed!"

      And like you said, a small number of Regina fans hated him in s1 and thought he was an "ungrateful brat" because he didn't willingly submit to her abuse (the same way a small number of Rumple fans hated Belle in season 6).

      Henry Swan is very precious and I will protect him with my life.

      ABUSE SURVIVOR???? OMG U got to be kidding me. And I won't even mention the "Henry Swan" thing

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    • I like Henry, but he was sometimes annoying back in S3 and S2 being mean to Regina. Jared's acting is cool, but the writing doesn't help with the hope speeches like Snow's (mostly in S4). 

      I hated him in S5's finale, and in S7, he didn't have a personality, like Jacinda, and the Henry-Lucy relationship was really annoying, like 11 episodes saying "I'm not your father" and trying to parallel it to his relationship with Emma, but that wasn't the same because it had a lot of emotional impact and cool moments. 

      And I don't think that Henry went more Regina-like after S4, like Avatar Beta said. In S4, he had more screentime and moments with Regina; and in S5, he had more screentime and moments with Emma. In S6, it was the same, I'd say. 

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Aine1989 wrote:
      Because some people in the audience haven't grasped the concept that he is a child/pre teen and expect him to react to things the way adults do. And he's also an abuse survivor, which is obviously going to colour the way he reacts to things, like what Avatar Beta said about how he spends all his time with Regina and makes her out to be some kind of supermum.

      Also, Jared is a very capable actor. Watch 6x06, he's great in that.  And he plays Pan in 3x10 brilliantly. The issue was the writers making him rehash the same things since s4, either "author gibberish" or "no mom, you've changed!"

      And like you said, a small number of Regina fans hated him in s1 and thought he was an "ungrateful brat" because he didn't willingly submit to her abuse (the same way a small number of Rumple fans hated Belle in season 6).

      Henry Swan is very precious and I will protect him with my life.

      ABUSE SURVIVOR???? OMG U got to be kidding me. And I won't even mention the "Henry Swan" thing

      Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll if you wanna be technical, the de-curse/un-curse/reverse curse in 3x11 undid everything, including the adoption, and his surname legally became Swan.

      Also you can deny he was abused, but you have to at least admit the first 10 years of his life were difficult to say the least.

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    • Aine1989 wrote:

      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Aine1989 wrote:
      Because some people in the audience haven't grasped the concept that he is a child/pre teen and expect him to react to things the way adults do. And he's also an abuse survivor, which is obviously going to colour the way he reacts to things, like what Avatar Beta said about how he spends all his time with Regina and makes her out to be some kind of supermum.

      Also, Jared is a very capable actor. Watch 6x06, he's great in that.  And he plays Pan in 3x10 brilliantly. The issue was the writers making him rehash the same things since s4, either "author gibberish" or "no mom, you've changed!"

      And like you said, a small number of Regina fans hated him in s1 and thought he was an "ungrateful brat" because he didn't willingly submit to her abuse (the same way a small number of Rumple fans hated Belle in season 6).

      Henry Swan is very precious and I will protect him with my life.

      ABUSE SURVIVOR???? OMG U got to be kidding me. And I won't even mention the "Henry Swan" thing

      Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll if you wanna be technical, the de-curse/un-curse/reverse curse in 3x11 undid everything, including the adoption, and his surname legally became Swan.

      Also you can deny he was abused, but you have to at least admit the first 10 years of his life were difficult to say the least.

      But Regina wasn't mean to him. She was mean to Emma, who, in her POV, was trying to steal her son. Also, If you want to be technical, Henry is neither Fiona's adoptive son, or grew up in the orphanage

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:

      Aine1989 wrote:

      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Aine1989 wrote:
      Because some people in the audience haven't grasped the concept that he is a child/pre teen and expect him to react to things the way adults do. And he's also an abuse survivor, which is obviously going to colour the way he reacts to things, like what Avatar Beta said about how he spends all his time with Regina and makes her out to be some kind of supermum.

      Also, Jared is a very capable actor. Watch 6x06, he's great in that.  And he plays Pan in 3x10 brilliantly. The issue was the writers making him rehash the same things since s4, either "author gibberish" or "no mom, you've changed!"

      And like you said, a small number of Regina fans hated him in s1 and thought he was an "ungrateful brat" because he didn't willingly submit to her abuse (the same way a small number of Rumple fans hated Belle in season 6).

      Henry Swan is very precious and I will protect him with my life.

      ABUSE SURVIVOR???? OMG U got to be kidding me. And I won't even mention the "Henry Swan" thing

      Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll if you wanna be technical, the de-curse/un-curse/reverse curse in 3x11 undid everything, including the adoption, and his surname legally became Swan.

      Also you can deny he was abused, but you have to at least admit the first 10 years of his life were difficult to say the least.

      But Regina wasn't mean to him. She was mean to Emma, who, in her POV, was trying to steal her son. Also, If you want to be technical, Henry is neither Fiona's adoptive son, or grew up in the orphanage

      As of right know he is 100% Henry Mills, that is what both 2018 Henry’s would call themselves considering that if the curse changed their legal status Emma and Regina would need to read adopt him, I think the ten years of Mills would beat the one year of Swan. Regina might not have been the best parent before her redemption, we see that, but all we saw is her “not believing him” and him not feeling at home, which is really vague. Abuse implies that he was being beaten or verbally abused to the point of Drizella and Henry appears to be a well-adjusted person in all respects. Regina is as much of a hero as Hook is by 3B, possibly more so at that point, except for 5A they sort of fluctuate based on what they’re doing, S4 had some weirdness for her that didn’t make much sense considering her light magic in 3B but except for the Sydney stuff and Belle’s heart she has been a hero since 3B.

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    • Not going to get into the Is Regeal Believer Abusive discourse because this isn't the place for that, but a couple of points:

      -Abuse does not have to be physical or verbal. It can be emotional.

      -Just because Henry turned out to be a good person does not mean he was not abused. Being abused does not make you a bad person. Plenty of abuse victims turn out to be good people.

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    • I’m not saying that he’d become a bad person, I’m saying that after the curse broke he has shown no psychological problems whatsoever, abuse can be different for different people but he doesn’t appear to have had any problems from it, the only stuff is him not being believed which he got over quickly, he is emotionally healthy for the most part and if it was abusive he would have shown it.

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    • No one on this show really shows psychological problems from their pasts, except for the villains and Emma. This show sucks at handling these types of issues.

      Though I would argue him gettting over it all quickly is not emotionally healthy but that;s neither here nor there

      If you geniunely do want to discuss this, I think it would be best to make a separate thread

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    • Someone: Ugh why does Henry act like a child all the time?!?!?

      Me: I dunno Janet, maybe because he's 12?

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    • Yeah people forget that Henry is not as old as Jared; Jared has always been older than him and Henry ages slow, the character hit puberty at like 11 which makes him seem 13, fact is if Jared was Henry’s age in 5A we wouldn’t see VioletBeliever, it’s only cause Jared was like 15, I’m pretty sure Henry had turned 13 a few weeks ago.

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    • Another thing which probably goes best here, I don’t think Henry is an interesting enough character to lead an arc, season or show, he’s a good character but he doesn’t have all the complexity of Emma, Regina, Hook, Rumple, Snowing or even most of the S7 cast, it would take a truly amazing actor, one who can make everyone love the character and just makes sure everyone knows that he is the star, and no offense to Jared and Andrew but they aren’t good enough to make Henry the lead.

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    • many people forgets Regina was the evil queen in the season one and Henry was Snow white's nephew so it's normal Henry wantedn't stay with Regina we don't know anything the Henry childhood but who would like a mother take you one Psychiatrist and treat you like a visionar ?

      if that is not a abused sure is lie and hide the truth, i love Regina but objectively it wasn't honest and in any case until the four season Henry is always with Emma and just in the season 4 Henry begins to have more scenes with Regina than Emma and this is make no sense above all the new memories and new live in new york. 

      i read Lara Parilla made the writers change the Regina and Henry dynamic and i'm sorry because i love Parilla but if this is true so she made a great mistake because ok Regina's redemption but it'sn't justify a such denatures of the characters after three seasons a simple friendship would have been more realistic because it was clear  with whom Henry wanted to be

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    • Marco23111988 wrote: many people forgets Regina was the evil queen in the season one and Henry was Snow white's nephew

      No, Henry is Snow White's grandson, not nephew. He's nephew to Prince Neal.
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    • yes you all right., i'm not speak english and sometimes confused the words

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    • Marco23111988 wrote: yes you all right., i'm not speak english and sometimes confused the words

      That's alright.

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    • Ok

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    • Marco231188 wrote:
      Ok

      Where are you from?

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    • Italy

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    • (MOD): Let's get back to the topic.

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    • I think Jared Gilmore is a weak actor, and combined with some silly lines, 

      "It's cheesy and it doesn't lie" (214 or 215)

      makes Henry at times annoying. I also felt that from season four and onwards, Jared's acting ability becomes more noticeably weak. I guess he was fine in 310/311 and I don't remember him in Dark Waters other than him saying "Hey!" or something when Hook tosses his pop tarts.

      His character also gets scattered, I guess, starting in 3B. Regina misses him for one year, and while it's tragic it can't hurt as much as being orphaned for 28 years, so when they reconcile it comes off as a little cute but mostly meh. The producers also suddenly depict their relationship as it was absolutely perfect prior to Snowing's curse in 3B, but it really wasn't since they barely interact in 3A as an actual son-mother relationship. 3A proves, "yes Regina loves him" but doesn't show if she can manage that (i didn't explain that very well). I also think that convincing your son is crazy and sending him to a psychiatrist to protect your curse (a whole other tangent) from whenever he realized that Storybrooke is weird (I imagine him noticing the lack of aging and time was the implication of Henry being sent to Archie's before even getting the book) is some sort of abuse. 

      With that being said, I don't really think Henry as a character ignored Emma but it was just quite apparent the writers themselves ignored writing more for that relationship (which isn't very different but i think it's different enough to be worth adding).  

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    • Jared is/was a child actor. I wouldn't expect much of them. People are too hard on child actors, especially for a fledgling pilot. The only thing A&E could do is replace him after achieving the first season, but Adam and Eddy appear to be the types that try to hold onto actors.

      Henry (1 to 6) suffers a tad bit from the pillar-style of the show (which is fairly common but it gets more noticed based on strength of writing  and length of series).

      Emma was the golden pillar with three silver pillars (Regina, Rumple, and Snow...who was replaced by Hook). 

      If you see how early on (when I felt the writing/show was more "reali" and less campy) Belle was just an extension of Rumple's story, but you couldn't tell as much of that until Season 4/5/6. You probably questioned it in 3, but you knew in 4 and beyond that she could hardly exist outside of Rumple's sphere.

      The same goes for Henry.

      Emma shared Henry with Regina. Regina has the villains of the episode and dragged Rumple (a pillar) into the fold. Snow was her own pillar and hosted David and Ruby, etc. It was like a 4 star solar system.

      But eventually Snow and David both entered Emma's sphere and Hook did so as well, but was strong enough to be a pillar unto himself to some degree. So, Emma's sphere got crowded and that ended with Henry being "pushed out". Regina didn't "take" Henry's character, but they simply absorbed so much into Emma that Henry got the backburner when it came to Emma-Henry time.

      Other than that, it's just the writers not fully realizing their story. Lying to a child for years and manipulating him is abuse, but the writers like to use deep situations but tread in shallow waters.

      Also, you can tell there was conflicting beliefs in the writers' room. Lana did push for more Regina-Henry, but regardless you can tell it was more of a positive than a negative as we can see how Rumple and Belle sort of turned out to be in the end. In layman's terms, they set up something good and then to shortcuts to fix it to get to a happy ending....which happens for neaelry every plot and character arc.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Jared is/was a child actor. I wouldn't expect much of them. People are too hard on child actors, especially for a fledgling pilot. The only thing A&E could do is replace him after achieving the first season, but Adam and Eddy appear to be the types that try to hold onto actors.
      I think Jared's abilities pre-puberty were tolerable for me, but by season four (as I mentioned) I would have liked more improvement. Especially as Bailee Madison was absolutely phenomenal in season one and two and she was like (? 12?).
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      Also, you can tell there was conflicting beliefs in the writers' room. Lana did push for more Regina-Henry, but regardless you can tell it was more of a positive than a negative as we can see how Rumple and Belle sort of turned out to be in the end. In layman's terms, they set up something good and then to shortcuts to fix it to get to a happy ending....which happens for neaelry every plot and character arc.

      in some way i am agree with you but after season 4-5 Regina seems take the place of Emma how mother maybe i wrong because i read many people said about many Henry-Emma moments in season 4 and 5 but i don't remember if anyone could be more cleary what episodes it happened

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    • Marco23111988 wrote:

       

      Also, you can tell there was conflicting beliefs in the writers' room. Lana did push for more Regina-Henry, but regardless you can tell it was more of a positive than a negative as we can see how Rumple and Belle sort of turned out to be in the end. In layman's terms, they set up something good and then to shortcuts to fix it to get to a happy ending....which happens for neaelry every plot and character arc.

      in some way i am agree with you but after season 4-5 Regina seems take the place of Emma how mother maybe i wrong because i read many people said about many Henry-Emma moments in season 4 and 5 but i don't remember if anyone could be more cleary what episodes it happened

      In Season Four we have him going to Emma to deal with her powers going wonky, I can’t remember anything else but there are others. 5A has a lot of moments with Dark Swan and Henry, he tries to trust her, it doesn’t really work, finding Violet’s horse etc. The problem is, like Esk mentioned, she has so many people whose main relationships include her that she just can’t spend as much time as Regina who only had Robin and Zelena, Emma had Snowing and Hook who have more screen time so Henry has to float towards Regina.

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    • Ok

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