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  • In Season 7 he supposedly self-published his OUAT book. I understand he could get away with writing characters like Snow White, Red Riding Hood, Hansel and Gretel etc. but what about when he got kidnapped by Cruella De Vil? Or Peter Pan? And let's not forget the time Frozen came to Storybrooke. These are Disney-owned characters, so how would he have been able to publish this book without being chewed up and spat out by Disney?

    (This is only a half-serious question, I get that ABC is owned by Disney)

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    • Cruella deVil was not made by Disney and is from the 101 Dalmatians Book.

      Peter Pan is from a book from like the early 1900s.

      He likely didn’t write about Frozen. Much of his book was about his adventures with Ella and of NEF.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Cruella deVil was not made by Disney and is from the 101 Dalmatians Book.

      Peter Pan is from a book from like the early 1900s.

      He likely didn’t write about Frozen. Much of his book was about his adventures with Ella and of NEF.

      But it wasn’t about NEF only the ending scene was that. If they cut out all of the Frozen stuff how did they set up the Mr. Gold getting kicked out of Storybrooke for being awful? Also I’m not sure if he could get away with the Apprentice.

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    • Schroeswald wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Cruella deVil was not made by Disney and is from the 101 Dalmatians Book.

      Peter Pan is from a book from like the early 1900s.

      He likely didn’t write about Frozen. Much of his book was about his adventures with Ella and of NEF.

      But it wasn’t about NEF only the ending scene was that. If they cut out all of the Frozen stuff how did they set up the Mr. Gold getting kicked out of Storybrooke for being awful? Also I’m not sure if he could get away with the Apprentice.

      1. Frozen might not exist in the LWM. Even still, it’s not like Henry’s book went anywhere. Also, no one knows if it’s in the Novel that “Henry” published and how in depth it goes.

      2. Novel isn’t the exact copy of the book. It’s not like he goes into depth covering 200 years of history. Plus Isaac wrote most of that with Walt. So Novel isn’t Book (plus the Book never even mentioned Regina by name, so chances are it’s vague.)

      3. Henry self published it, so...unless someone finds out, he’d get a pass.

      Sorcerer’s Apprentice is a poem and in the LWM is a book as Wendy Darling is reading it on the show. Public domain.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Schroeswald wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Cruella deVil was not made by Disney and is from the 101 Dalmatians Book.

      Peter Pan is from a book from like the early 1900s.

      He likely didn’t write about Frozen. Much of his book was about his adventures with Ella and of NEF.

      But it wasn’t about NEF only the ending scene was that. If they cut out all of the Frozen stuff how did they set up the Mr. Gold getting kicked out of Storybrooke for being awful? Also I’m not sure if he could get away with the Apprentice.

      1. Frozen might not exist in the LWM. Even still, it’s not like Henry’s book went anywhere. Also, no one knows if it’s in the Novel that “Henry” published and how in depth it goes.

      2. Novel isn’t the exact copy of the book. It’s not like he goes into depth covering 200 years of history. Plus Isaac wrote most of that with Walt. So Novel isn’t Book (plus the Book never even mentioned Regina by name, so chances are it’s vague.)

      3. Henry self published it, so...unless someone finds out, he’d get a pass.

      Sorcerer’s Apprentice is a poem and in the LWM is a book as Wendy Darling is reading it on the show. Public domain.

      1. It might not be in their but it has to have something with Ingrid and the hat for any of 4B to happen (which it definently does, Henry is the author and we need 4B for him to be that).

      2. I imagine it was written sort of like the show, also I’m pretty sure Lucy says something like “and your Regina!” when they see the picture.

      3. So the assumption is that he broke the law and is ignored because it’s self-published?

      4. I forgot about that.

      5. I was going to make a list of stuff that didn’t work but it would get too long. It includes Blue, Belle’s name, Aladdin/Jasmine and Maleficent.

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    • Henry most likely changed some things. Perhaps Henry simply wrote that the urn as seen in 3x22 contained Ingrid (who's based on the original snow queen, which is public domain), not Elsa, and she starts looking for Emma because Ingrid thinks Emma could be her younger sister but not for Elsa. This way the story plays out pretty much the same but all the Frozen stuff is removed. The 4x07 flashback could be pretty much the same (Ingrid killing her sister), except without Gerda as a character (Ingrid could be imprisoned by the Duke of Weselton, except he'd have a different name). Then Ingrid kills herself because she regrets what she's done, or something.

      Same for Cruella. Just change her name and appearance and that's it. Her story on the show has pretty much nothing to do with the original book anyway.

      Aladdin and Jasmine's story was pretty much pointless to Emma's and Henry's, so he may have ignored that, or maybe he just used the Arabian Nights version of the story and mentioned the "savior/shears of destiny" stuff.



      Or maybe the curse simply made Henry publish his book under the Disney brand, so that's how.

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    • Walecs wrote: Henry most likely changed some things. Perhaps Henry simply wrote that the urn as seen in 3x22 contained Ingrid (who's based on the original snow queen, which is public domain), not Elsa, and she starts looking for Emma because Ingrid thinks Emma could be her younger sister but not for Elsa. This way the story plays out pretty much the same but all the Frozen stuff is removed. The 4x07 flashback could be pretty much the same (Ingrid killing her sister), except without Gerda as a character (Ingrid could be imprisoned by the Duke of Weselton, except he'd have a different name). Then Ingrid kills herself because she regrets what she's done, or something.

      Same for Cruella. Just change her name and appearance and that's it. Her story on the show has pretty much nothing to do with the original book anyway

      Or maybe the curse simply made Henry publish his book under the Disney brand, so that's how.

      On the Frozen stuff maybe. It does get rid of most of the arc into a chapter or two.

      I don’t think Cruella would make much sense as someone different, she might not have much to do with the original Cruella but her characterization is the same.

      It was self-published so it can’t be that.

      This makes me want to make a thread to figure out exactly what’s in the book.

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    • Schroeswald wrote:

      Walecs wrote: Henry most likely changed some things. Perhaps Henry simply wrote that the urn as seen in 3x22 contained Ingrid (who's based on the original snow queen, which is public domain), not Elsa, and she starts looking for Emma because Ingrid thinks Emma could be her younger sister but not for Elsa. This way the story plays out pretty much the same but all the Frozen stuff is removed. The 4x07 flashback could be pretty much the same (Ingrid killing her sister), except without Gerda as a character (Ingrid could be imprisoned by the Duke of Weselton, except he'd have a different name). Then Ingrid kills herself because she regrets what she's done, or something.

      Same for Cruella. Just change her name and appearance and that's it. Her story on the show has pretty much nothing to do with the original book anyway

      Or maybe the curse simply made Henry publish his book under the Disney brand, so that's how.

      On the Frozen stuff maybe. It does get rid of most of the arc into a chapter or two.

      I don’t think Cruella would make much sense as someone different, she might not have much to do with the original Cruella but her characterization is the same.

      It was self-published so it can’t be that.

      This makes me want to make a thread to figure out exactly what’s in the book.


      But if you change the name you wouldn't get sued. You may remove all the dog-related stuff and the story would still be the same as we saw in 4B. The fact the characterization is the same means very little, she has no peculiar traits which would make you scream "omg she's totally cruella devil from 101 Dalmatians"; the original character was a generic villain to begin with, she was made unique by the fact she wanted to kill dogs to make herself a fur coat and she doesn't do that in OUAT, so problem solved.

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    • Henry's book wasn't sucessful for one thing, so it's likely Disney didn't know about it. Even discounting that though, most of the things (Frozen and Brave stuff excluded) on Once are based on fairytales and other things in public domain, so Disney wouldn't be able to do anything anyway. Some of the names of characters are from Disney, but we could say that the book simply calls them by descriptors. Ariel could be "The Little Mermaid", Maleficent could be "The Dragon Witch", etc.

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    • Plus, I'm willing to bet that in the Onceverse, "Frozen", "Brave" and "101 dalmations" never got made. It's the only way I can figure that no one geeked out over meeting Elsa or recognized Cruella.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote: Plus, I'm willing to bet that in the Onceverse, "Frozen", "Brave" and "101 dalmations" never got made. It's the only way I can figure that no one geeked out over meeting Elsa or recognized Cruella.

      Yeah, that was weird how no one recognized Cruella...

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