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  • I don't think that we should be considering Mr. Gold and Belle based on Carl Ellie. They are clear similarities but much of the basis is one scene in one episode that mirrors Up. Compared to the overwhelming evidence for their other based on, Belle has just the clear based on sharing name (from movie) and story with Belle/Beauty. Rumple is based on Rumpel by name and story, the Beast by his relation with Belle and Skin Deep as well as the man behind the beast stuff and the Crocodile by consistent mentions by Hook until the finale and the episode The Crocodile. We don't really see anything in Up after Beauty it makes more sense for Belle, Gold and Gideon to be allusions.

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    • I always think of this this way: If a character’s story is sprinkled over more than enough episodes, then it’s “based on”. However, we clearly did not see this. It was only one episode. It’s wrong to say that in any way.

      So yes, I agree.

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    • My standard is:

      Name.

      Story (nothing “Kinda” or “Sorta”).

      Appearance.

      Writer Conf.

      I’d knock the “based on Up” off simply due to name. Name is not always a given, nor is writer conf, but I think the other two categories have to be very strong.

      The Story was sort of similar, the House was reminiscent of the House from Up, there was some writer talk about it (and Benjamin Button), and combine all that...it’s an allusion.

      A clear example is the difference between Elsa and Ingrid.

      Elsa is based on Elsa. Ingrid is based on the Snow Queen.

      Or even one up to Brair Rose and Aurora.

      Briar Rose is based on the fairytale (even though it has Disney elements), while Aurora is based on Disney.

      In that, Brair Rose has traces of Disney Aurora in her story, but heavily on the fairytale tale side. Plus lack of name, strong adaptation to Disney story, such.

      Aurora on the other hand, has the name, the adaptation is strong, etc.

      So, for Rumple and Belle:

      Name: N/A

      Story: Weak to Mediocre

      Appearance: Weak to Mediocre

      Writer conf: Weak

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    • I think that they are an allusion to Carl and Ellie

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    • I think I have an unpopular opinion. While I agree that Rumple should be an allusion to Carl, since his role as Carl was none bigger than Alice's as Russell, I think that Belle should be based on Ellie

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    • They are all allustions to the Up characters. None of them are the Up characters, because they have many differences.

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote: I think I have an unpopular opinion. While I agree that Rumple should be an allusion to Carl, since his role as Carl was none bigger than Alice's as Russell, I think that Belle should be based on Ellie

      Gideon's page is also based on their baby, it should be an allusion as well.

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    • Schroeswald wrote:

      Matheus1234zx wrote: I think I have an unpopular opinion. While I agree that Rumple should be an allusion to Carl, since his role as Carl was none bigger than Alice's as Russell, I think that Belle should be based on Ellie

      Gideon's page is also based on their baby, it should be an allusion as well.

      Definitely

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    • Yeah, it's an allusion, much like Hook's "as you wish" are allusions to The Princess Pride, but they're not Buttercup and Westley. Or the "you look/I know" were allusions to Han and Leia, but CS aren't Han and Leia.

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    • We haven't had anything in seventeen days, everyone agrees on Gold and Gideon and all but one on Belle, is this enough for a consensus?

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    • Sum me to that. Gold and Belle as allusions. But I don't think Gideon should be listed as the baby. If anything, he takes his place in the story, just like Rumple took the Fairy Godmother's in 1x04. The baby wasn't even born, Gideon was and had an important role overall.

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    • Black Necked Swan wrote: Sum me to that. Gold and Belle as allusions. But I don't think Gideon should be listed as the baby. If anything, he takes his place in the story, just like Rumple took the Fairy Godmother's in 1x04. The baby wasn't even born, Gideon was and had an important role overall.

      Wait so you think that Gideon took the place of Carl and Ellie’s baby? If so that’s not what taking the place of is. Rumpelstiltskin took the FG’s role by doing what she did in the Cinderella story, with a twist. Taking the place of is people who play the role but clearly aren’t them. Carl and Ellie’s baby was miscarried so that would have to happen to Gideon to make him take the place of. Also this is a clear consensus, no one has said anything against Gold alluding with one Belle based on and one something with Gideon, eight people in all, can we at least change Gold?

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    • Schroeswald wrote:

      Black Necked Swan wrote: Sum me to that. Gold and Belle as allusions. But I don't think Gideon should be listed as the baby. If anything, he takes his place in the story, just like Rumple took the Fairy Godmother's in 1x04. The baby wasn't even born, Gideon was and had an important role overall.

      Wait so you think that Gideon took the place of Carl and Ellie’s baby? If so that’s not what taking the place of is. Rumpelstiltskin took the FG’s role by doing what she did in the Cinderella story, with a twist. Taking the place of is people who play the role but clearly aren’t them. Carl and Ellie’s baby was miscarried so that would have to happen to Gideon to make him take the place of. Also this is a clear consensus, no one has said anything against Gold alluding with one Belle based on and one something with Gideon, eight people in all, can we at least change Gold?

      We should change all of them or none of them, since they are all in the same situation. Saying Gold alludes to Carl, but Belle is based on Ellie makes no sense.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Schroeswald wrote:

      Black Necked Swan wrote: Sum me to that. Gold and Belle as allusions. But I don't think Gideon should be listed as the baby. If anything, he takes his place in the story, just like Rumple took the Fairy Godmother's in 1x04. The baby wasn't even born, Gideon was and had an important role overall.

      Wait so you think that Gideon took the place of Carl and Ellie’s baby? If so that’s not what taking the place of is. Rumpelstiltskin took the FG’s role by doing what she did in the Cinderella story, with a twist. Taking the place of is people who play the role but clearly aren’t them. Carl and Ellie’s baby was miscarried so that would have to happen to Gideon to make him take the place of. Also this is a clear consensus, no one has said anything against Gold alluding with one Belle based on and one something with Gideon, eight people in all, can we at least change Gold?

      We should change all of them or none of them, since they are all in the same situation. Saying Gold alludes to Carl, but Belle is based on Ellie makes no sense.

      I agree but that’s what Matheus thinks, I think the consensus is enough for all of them but no one has said anything different about Gold, I just want a start. I’m waiting for one of the admins/Eskaver to call this a consensus.

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    • Its been two weeks I'm just going to call this a consensus.

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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