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  • By the final scene, Alice and Robin are married right? Obviously itd be a while after the United Realms were created, but still... I think they were wife and wife by then.

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    • We have no proof of marriage. They could be, but we can't say for sure.

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    • Forgetful 10th doctor fan wrote:
      By the final scene, Alice and Robin are married right? Obviously itd be a while after the United Realms were created, but still... I think they were wife and wife by then.

      Yeah but they cant get married in any local church or by religious person since they are "LGBT" so technicly they can or they have been married by the "State Law" ,so they arent exactly in marrige since they werent married inside"Temple,Church,Mosgue" and by the person that has authority from Gods(Zeus) and since they are LGBT.And i feel bad for Nook since he will never have any grandchildren of his own.

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    • And i feel bad for Nook since he will never have any grandchildren of his own.

      If this show taught me anything, is that you can always get a genie and Wish for an alternate version of reality with custom-made clones of the people you love most :')

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      And i feel bad for Nook since he will never have any grandchildren of his own.

      If this show taught me anything, is that you can always get a genie and Wish for an alternate version of reality with custom-made clones of the people you love most :')

      Oh yeah,i forgat about that part :)

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    • Does Nook really need a genie, tho? Because he's part of the entire family now (Yes, including those related to OG Hook).

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      And i feel bad for Nook since he will never have any grandchildren of his own.

      If this show taught me anything, is that you can always get a genie and Wish for an alternate version of reality with custom-made clones of the people you love most :')

      Nook probably kicks the can in a few anyway.

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    • Kunica wrote:
      Forgetful 10th doctor fan wrote:
      By the final scene, Alice and Robin are married right? Obviously itd be a while after the United Realms were created, but still... I think they were wife and wife by then.
      Yeah but they cant get married in any local church or by religious person since they are "LGBT" so technicly they can or they have been married by the "State Law" ,so they arent exactly in marrige since they werent married inside"Temple,Church,Mosgue" and by the person that has authority from Gods(Zeus) and since they are LGBT.And i feel bad for Nook since he will never have any grandchildren of his own.

      This isn't true. Certain religions (or subsects of religions) do recognize same sex marriages.

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    • Per Rose, they are engaged by the end of the series finale.

      She chose to have Alice wearing a big ring during the coronation to show that.

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    • Let’s not dig deep into religion and stuff.

      These are fictional characters in a highly magical world that do whatever they want.

      It’s laughable to be discussing state law when they literally have queens and mass murders running about.

      I don’t see why people think that the ruler of the entire United Realms wouldn’t let her niece get married.

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    • I need to watch them in the Coronation again. Was Alice the only one wearing a ring?  Because if they were married, they'd both have wedding bands, which are simply gold bands, with no jewels in them.  If Alice is the only one wearing a ring, or if it has a jewel in it, then they are engaged.  They should still be on each other's family tree.  They mark every other relationship even "relationships" that were the result of trickery.  Ex: You can't say Hook and Gothel were in love!  Yet, we were shown over and over that Alice & Robin loved each other and were meant to be together.  They should indicate on all their pages that there were engaged by the series finale.  And obviously, if they were married, they need to be included!

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      I don’t see why people think that the ruler of the entire United Realms wouldn’t let her niece get married.

      GREAT POINT!  In the scene when Tilly/Alice confronts Gothel, after her father takes her hand and says, "I'm with you," Margot/Robin grabs her other hand and says, "So am I."  There's a cut to Regina and a little smile crosses her face.  

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    • They're trying not to make it be a "lesbian couple" and just be a "couple" which is great. Its just love so they are engaged and probably got married but just didn't confirm it.

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    • Kunica wrote:

      And i feel bad for Nook since he will never have any grandchildren of his own.

      First of all, Nook is HAPPY Alice & Robin are in love. Evidence: 1) After that charming scene when Robin gives her the bracelet and it's obvious how sweet they are on each other, Nook confronts Rumple who was watching from afar, and he said, "You saw her with Robin!  She's happy!  She finally has a chance at a normal life and I won't let anyone, including the dark one, threaten to take that away from her!"  2) After Rumple stops Alice from becoming immortal by interrupting her before she can destroy the dagger, some months have passed and Hook again finds Rumple, who is AGAIN watching Alice & Robin from the woods and smiling, and this time he says, "I heard about what you did for Alice and Robin....I owe you a great debt."  AND ROBIN.  3) After he gets out of the hospital, Alice calls him from across the street, and he asks, "How are you; how's Robin?"  These are NOT the words & actions of a man who is disappointed that Alice's love interest happens to be a woman.  So don't feel bad for Nook!  If Alice is happy, he's happy, and he knows Robin treats her well.  I think that's the most important thing to any parent.  I can't imagine a parent wanting to keep their child from the person they love, and worse, pushing them to marry someone they don't love, just so the parent can have grandchildren!  That's really selfish and Hook is anything BUT selfish toward Alice.  Also, if Alice married a guy, there's still NO GUARANTEE that they could or would have children!  (Edited to remove a section of the quoted comment which I did not address in this post.)

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    • Kunica wrote:

      Yeah but they cant get married in any local church or by religious person since they are "LGBT" so technicly they can or they have been married by the "State Law" ,so they arent exactly in marrige since they werent married inside"Temple,Church,Mosgue" and by the person that has authority from Gods(Zeus) and since they are LGBT.And i feel bad for Nook since he will never have any grandchildren of his own.​

      Part 2 - Pretend it's 2018, when, in the U.S. alone, there are TENS OF THOUSANDS of churches, and at least hundreds of synagogues where they can have a religious wedding ceremony!  This is just a partial list of churches I personally know of who have been performing same-sex weddings for years:  United Church of Christ, Society of Friends (Quakers), United Methodist, Presbyterian (PCUSA), Lutheran (ELCA), Episcopal, Pentecostal, Evangelical, Mennonite, Brethren, Unitarian Universalist, and Charismatic.  That's off the top of my head. 

      OUAT is a show whose whole premise is telling new fairy tales.  People in fairy tales are supposed to get a happily ever after and no one deserves a happy ending more than Alice!  But even if you insist on bringing the real world to Storybrooke, a world in which Robin's aunt is NOT queen, then YES, Alice & Robin can get legally married AND have a religious ceremony in a church, if they wish.

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    • DonnaBrooks1 wrote:
      Kunica wrote:

      Yeah but they cant get married in any local church or by religious person since they are "LGBT" so technicly they can or they have been married by the "State Law" ,so they arent exactly in marrige since they werent married inside"Temple,Church,Mosgue" and by the person that has authority from Gods(Zeus) and since they are LGBT.And i feel bad for Nook since he will never have any grandchildren of his own.​

      Part 2 - Pretend it's 2018, when, in the U.S. alone, there are TENS OF THOUSANDS of churches, and at least hundreds of synagogues where they can have a religious wedding ceremony!  This is just a partial list of churches I personally know of who have been performing same-sex weddings for years:  United Church of Christ, Society of Friends (Quakers), United Methodist, Presbyterian (PCUSA), Lutheran (ELCA), Episcopal, Pentecostal, Evangelical, Mennonite, Brethren, Unitarian Universalist, and Charismatic.  That's off the top of my head. 

      OUAT is a show whose whole premise is telling new fairy tales.  People in fairy tales are supposed to get a happily ever after and no one deserves a happy ending more than Alice!  But even if you insist on bringing the real world to Storybrooke, a world in which Robin's aunt is NOT queen, then YES, Alice & Robin can get legally married AND have a religious ceremony in a church, if they wish.

      You do realise that "Real World" is just outside Storybrook,and if Archie or any religious church that wants to preform same-sex wedding they still have to be married by the state law,and you do realise that in LWM comunites such as LBGT arent doing well since they are mostly discriminated.And as i recall it,the Deities in many mythologies(Greek,Egyptian,Norse) as well as of Christianty,Judaisam,Islam,Budhisam and Hinduisam that made this religious law" only Man and Women can get married and no one else" so that people can reproduce and still get to afterlife since they were married by Divine Authority.So if you have problem with this go and talk to the Gods that also exist in the show not me.

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    • DonnaBrooks1 wrote:
      Kunica wrote:

      And i feel bad for Nook since he will never have any grandchildren of his own.

      First of all, Nook is HAPPY Alice & Robin are in love. Evidence: 1) After that charming scene when Robin gives her the bracelet and it's obvious how sweet they are on each other, Nook confronts Rumple who was watching from afar, and he said, "You saw her with Robin!  She's happy!  She finally has a chance at a normal life and I won't let anyone, including the dark one, threaten to take that away from her!"  2) After Rumple stops Alice from becoming immortal by interrupting her before she can destroy the dagger, some months have passed and Hook again finds Rumple, who is AGAIN watching Alice & Robin from the woods and smiling, and this time he says, "I heard about what you did for Alice and Robin....I owe you a great debt."  AND ROBIN.  3) After he gets out of the hospital, Alice calls him from across the street, and he asks, "How are you; how's Robin?"  These are NOT the words & actions of a man who is disappointed that Alice's love interest happens to be a woman.  So don't feel bad for Nook!  If Alice is happy, he's happy, and he knows Robin treats her well.  I think that's the most important thing to any parent.  I can't imagine a parent wanting to keep their child from the person they love, and worse, pushing them to marry someone they don't love, just so the parent can have grandchildren!  That's really selfish and Hook is anything BUT selfish toward Alice.  Also, if Alice married a guy, there's still NO GUARANTEE that they could or would have children!  (Edited to remove a section of the quoted comment which I did not address in this post.)

      Donna-Nook is happy now since he knows Alice truly loves Robin,but dont you really think that at one point in his life he will realise that he chould have grandchildren but cant.Good people or Heroes allways want at one point from there children to have there kids so that both can reproduce and have the bloodline of each family alive.Tell me isnt true that after both Robin and Alice die out of old age there wont be any more of Wish Jones bloodline to follow.Thats the truth evean thought he is happy now and in future years from now,Nook will at one point question himself about "how wonderfull whould have been to have grandchildren".Also if Alice was married to a guy it dosent matter if it worked out beetwen them or not the only thing that matters is that she cant get pregnat and have kids,so that Wish Jones family will survive in future.And thats a fact,but hey at least main reality Hook wont expirence that fate with his daughter.

      And like Esk said lets not go to far into religion debate.

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    • Lets leave all religious/LGBT marriage debates over Alice/Tilly marriage out of this thread.But still i will not move back from what i said earlier about Nook/grandchildren and thats it.

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    • Kunica, just wanted to state as a matter of fact that many churches do conduct same-sex marriages.

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    • Who says Nook wants grandkids?

      Why are people focused on things that aren’t a problem? Nook is happy because Alice is happy. That’s that.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Who says Nook wants grandkids?

      Why are people focused on things that aren’t a problem? Nook is happy because Alice is happy. That’s that.

      You took the words right out of my mouth!  The commenter is so adamant that Hook wants grandkids or will want grandkids eventually.  Maybe, maybe not.  That's a huge assumption to make.  People do that all the time when people say they don't want children.  Oh, they'll change their minds.  Couples SPLIT UP over this issue!  And so many people assume that the one who didn't want children is going to "realize" they want them someday.  I have never wanted children and never once have I regretted not having them!  There are lots of ways our legacy can carry on without having children!  And they are not necessary for a happy life!  I gave your comment a thumbs up.

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    • Kunica wrote:

      1) dont you really think that at one point in his life he will realise that he chould have grandchildren but cant.

      ​2) Good people or Heroes allways want at one point from there children to have there kids so that both can reproduce and have the bloodline of each family alive.

      3) Tell me isnt true that after both Robin and Alice die out of old age there wont be any more of Wish Jones bloodline to follow.Thats the truth evean thought he is happy now and in future years from now,Nook will at one point question himself about "how wonderfull whould have been to have grandchildren".

      4) Also if Alice was married to a guy it dosent matter if it worked out beetwen them or not the only thing that matters is that she cant get pregnat and have kids, so that Wish Jones family will survive in future. And thats a fact,but hey at least main reality Hook wont expirence that fate with his daughter.


      Since you addressed this to me, I'll respond, but I had to put numbers by your statements so you'd know what segment of your post I am answering:

      1)  No, I don't.  I don't think he will eventually realize he wanted grandchildren any more than I think people who don't want kids will decide they really want kids.  Having descendents is not the sole purpose of life!  Being happy and making the world a better place b/c you were in it are far more important goals for life than merely producing biological offspring.

      2) No, they don't.  Some of the best people who have ever lived had no children:  Jesus, St. Francis of Assisi, Susan B. Anthony, and Mother Teresa are just a few off the top of my head.  The impact of their lives extends FAR beyond anything that would have resulted from them just having children so their bloodline could continue!  So, no, not ALL "good people" or heroes want grandchildren!  Or even children!

      3) Hook can still find a woman to impregnate (I say it like that since that seems to be the only worthy goal for characters and good people according to you, and things like love don't seem to matter).  He can still have other children, if he wants.  And as I said before, I don't know for sure whether Hook will ever wish he had grandchildren *and neither do you*!

      4) I never SAID anything about Alice marrying a guy and it not working out.  Watch my lips:  I *said* that just because a heterosexual couple wants to have children, DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN!  There are lots of hetero couples who can't have children AND lots of hetero couples who CAN have children, but don't WANT children.

      Also, I don't even know what to say about your statement that the only thing that matters is that Alice can get pregnant and have kids so the family will survive.  I'm just stunned that anyone would say that's the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS.  So Alice should just be a baby machine, and it doesn't matter if the guy cheats on her or beats her up or is emotionally abusive. The ONLY thing that matters is that she can get pregnant so HOOK can have grandchildren?!  Seriously, this sounds like something someone from the 18th century would say!

      Re your last statement about the other Hook not experiencing "that" with his daughter:  You don't know that.  She may not live to adulthood.  She may remain celibate her whole life.  She may marry a man but they may decide they don't want children.  She may marry a man and one or both of them discover they CAN'T biologically reproduce.  She may adopt.  She may meet someone like Robin and marry her!  WE DON'T KNOW!  You make so many assumptions about people! ​​​

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    • DonnaBrooks1 wrote:
      Kunica wrote:

      1) dont you really think that at one point in his life he will realise that he chould have grandchildren but cant.

      ​2) Good people or Heroes allways want at one point from there children to have there kids so that both can reproduce and have the bloodline of each family alive.

      3) Tell me isnt true that after both Robin and Alice die out of old age there wont be any more of Wish Jones bloodline to follow.Thats the truth evean thought he is happy now and in future years from now,Nook will at one point question himself about "how wonderfull whould have been to have grandchildren".

      4) Also if Alice was married to a guy it dosent matter if it worked out beetwen them or not the only thing that matters is that she cant get pregnat and have kids, so that Wish Jones family will survive in future. And thats a fact,but hey at least main reality Hook wont expirence that fate with his daughter.


      Since you addressed this to me, I'll respond, but I had to put numbers by your statements so you'd know what segment of your post I am answering:

      1)  No, I don't.  I don't think he will eventually realize he wanted grandchildren any more than I think people who don't want kids will decide they really want kids.  Having descendents is not the sole purpose of life!  Being happy and making the world a better place b/c you were in it are far more important goals for life than merely producing biological offspring.

      2) No, they don't.  Some of the best people who have ever lived had no children:  Jesus, St. Francis of Assisi, Susan B. Anthony, and Mother Teresa are just a few off the top of my head.  The impact of their lives extends FAR beyond anything that would have resulted from them just having children so their bloodline could continue!  So, no, not ALL "good people" or heroes want grandchildren!  Or even children!

      3) Hook can still find a woman to impregnate (I say it like that since that seems to be the only worthy goal for characters and good people according to you, and things like love don't seem to matter).  He can still have other children, if he wants.  And as I said before, I don't know for sure whether Hook will ever wish he had grandchildren *and neither do you*!

      4) I never SAID anything about Alice marrying a guy and it not working out.  Watch my lips:  I *said* that just because a heterosexual couple wants to have children, DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN!  There are lots of hetero couples who can't have children AND lots of hetero couples who CAN have children, but don't WANT children.

      Also, I don't even know what to say about your statement that the only thing that matters is that Alice can get pregnant and have kids so the family will survive.  I'm just stunned that anyone would say that's the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS.  So Alice should just be a baby machine, and it doesn't matter if the guy cheats on her or beats her up or is emotionally abusive. The ONLY thing that matters is that she can get pregnant so HOOK can have grandchildren?!  Seriously, this sounds like something someone from the 18th century would say!

      Re your last statement about the other Hook not experiencing "that" with his daughter:  You don't know that.  She may not live to adulthood.  She may remain celibate her whole life.  She may marry a man but they may decide they don't want children.  She may marry a man and one or both of them discover they CAN'T biologically reproduce.  She may adopt.  She may meet someone like Robin and marry her!  WE DON'T KNOW!  You make so many assumptions about people! ​​​

      I %100 agree with you. My brother and her wife have been married for 4 years now. And they don't want to have any children right now. Plus, this show has proved that biological children sometimes mean nothing to those people. So, I wouldn't say that Gothel is Alice's mother. But I can say that Regina is indeed Henry's mother. Bloodline means nothing in these kind of situations to me. It's all about the relationships

      And sometimes, there are things that you can't change or do in life. Alice and Robin can't have their own biological children. So, should they just give up on living their lifes? No one is perfect, and people cannot gain all good things in life. So, instead of questioning "Why did this happen to me?", people should just ignore it and start looking other good things their life.

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    • Kunica wrote:
      DonnaBrooks1 wrote:
      Kunica wrote:

      Yeah but they cant get married in any local church or by religious person since they are "LGBT" so technicly they can or they have been married by the "State Law" ,so they arent exactly in marrige since they werent married inside"Temple,Church,Mosgue" and by the person that has authority from Gods(Zeus) and since they are LGBT.And i feel bad for Nook since he will never have any grandchildren of his own.​

      Part 2 - Pretend it's 2018, when, in the U.S. alone, there are TENS OF THOUSANDS of churches, and at least hundreds of synagogues where they can have a religious wedding ceremony!  This is just a partial list of churches I personally know of who have been performing same-sex weddings for years:  United Church of Christ, Society of Friends (Quakers), United Methodist, Presbyterian (PCUSA), Lutheran (ELCA), Episcopal, Pentecostal, Evangelical, Mennonite, Brethren, Unitarian Universalist, and Charismatic.  That's off the top of my head. 

      OUAT is a show whose whole premise is telling new fairy tales.  People in fairy tales are supposed to get a happily ever after and no one deserves a happy ending more than Alice!  But even if you insist on bringing the real world to Storybrooke, a world in which Robin's aunt is NOT queen, then YES, Alice & Robin can get legally married AND have a religious ceremony in a church, if they wish.

      You do realise that "Real World" is just outside Storybrook,and if Archie or any religious church that wants to preform same-sex wedding they still have to be married by the state law,and you do realise that in LWM comunites such as LBGT arent doing well since they are mostly discriminated.And as i recall it,the Deities in many mythologies(Greek,Egyptian,Norse) as well as of Christianty,Judaisam,Islam,Budhisam and Hinduisam that made this religious law" only Man and Women can get married and no one else" so that people can reproduce and still get to afterlife since they were married by Divine Authority.So if you have problem with this go and talk to the Gods that also exist in the show not me.

      No one here is saying LGBT people don't get discriminated against. The point we are making is many churches do recognize same sex marriages. Also, I can't speak for everything, but the Gods in Greek Myth were fine with same sex couples, many of the Gods themselves had same sex lovers.

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    • Kunica wrote:
      DonnaBrooks1 wrote:
      Kunica wrote:

      And i feel bad for Nook since he will never have any grandchildren of his own.

      First of all, Nook is HAPPY Alice & Robin are in love. Evidence: 1) After that charming scene when Robin gives her the bracelet and it's obvious how sweet they are on each other, Nook confronts Rumple who was watching from afar, and he said, "You saw her with Robin!  She's happy!  She finally has a chance at a normal life and I won't let anyone, including the dark one, threaten to take that away from her!"  2) After Rumple stops Alice from becoming immortal by interrupting her before she can destroy the dagger, some months have passed and Hook again finds Rumple, who is AGAIN watching Alice & Robin from the woods and smiling, and this time he says, "I heard about what you did for Alice and Robin....I owe you a great debt."  AND ROBIN.  3) After he gets out of the hospital, Alice calls him from across the street, and he asks, "How are you; how's Robin?"  These are NOT the words & actions of a man who is disappointed that Alice's love interest happens to be a woman.  So don't feel bad for Nook!  If Alice is happy, he's happy, and he knows Robin treats her well.  I think that's the most important thing to any parent.  I can't imagine a parent wanting to keep their child from the person they love, and worse, pushing them to marry someone they don't love, just so the parent can have grandchildren!  That's really selfish and Hook is anything BUT selfish toward Alice.  Also, if Alice married a guy, there's still NO GUARANTEE that they could or would have children!  (Edited to remove a section of the quoted comment which I did not address in this post.)
      Donna-Nook is happy now since he knows Alice truly loves Robin,but dont you really think that at one point in his life he will realise that he chould have grandchildren but cant.Good people or Heroes allways want at one point from there children to have there kids so that both can reproduce and have the bloodline of each family alive.Tell me isnt true that after both Robin and Alice die out of old age there wont be any more of Wish Jones bloodline to follow.Thats the truth evean thought he is happy now and in future years from now,Nook will at one point question himself about "how wonderfull whould have been to have grandchildren".Also if Alice was married to a guy it dosent matter if it worked out beetwen them or not the only thing that matters is that she cant get pregnat and have kids,so that Wish Jones family will survive in future.And thats a fact,but hey at least main reality Hook wont expirence that fate with his daughter.

      And like Esk said lets not go to far into religion debate.

      You know Alice can still get pregnant right? Lots of same sex couples (male or female) simply use sperm (for female couples) or egg (for male couples) donors, and have children that are biologically related to one parent. So really, your whole argument falls flat, because Alice can have a biological child, if she so chooses.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      DonnaBrooks1 wrote:
      Kunica wrote:

      And i feel bad for Nook since he will never have any grandchildren of his own.

      First of all, Nook is HAPPY Alice & Robin are in love. Evidence: 1) After that charming scene when Robin gives her the bracelet and it's obvious how sweet they are on each other, Nook confronts Rumple who was watching from afar, and he said, "You saw her with Robin!  She's happy!  She finally has a chance at a normal life and I won't let anyone, including the dark one, threaten to take that away from her!"  2) After Rumple stops Alice from becoming immortal by interrupting her before she can destroy the dagger, some months have passed and Hook again finds Rumple, who is AGAIN watching Alice & Robin from the woods and smiling, and this time he says, "I heard about what you did for Alice and Robin....I owe you a great debt."  AND ROBIN.  3) After he gets out of the hospital, Alice calls him from across the street, and he asks, "How are you; how's Robin?"  These are NOT the words & actions of a man who is disappointed that Alice's love interest happens to be a woman.  So don't feel bad for Nook!  If Alice is happy, he's happy, and he knows Robin treats her well.  I think that's the most important thing to any parent.  I can't imagine a parent wanting to keep their child from the person they love, and worse, pushing them to marry someone they don't love, just so the parent can have grandchildren!  That's really selfish and Hook is anything BUT selfish toward Alice.  Also, if Alice married a guy, there's still NO GUARANTEE that they could or would have children!  (Edited to remove a section of the quoted comment which I did not address in this post.)
      Donna-Nook is happy now since he knows Alice truly loves Robin,but dont you really think that at one point in his life he will realise that he chould have grandchildren but cant.Good people or Heroes allways want at one point from there children to have there kids so that both can reproduce and have the bloodline of each family alive.Tell me isnt true that after both Robin and Alice die out of old age there wont be any more of Wish Jones bloodline to follow.Thats the truth evean thought he is happy now and in future years from now,Nook will at one point question himself about "how wonderfull whould have been to have grandchildren".Also if Alice was married to a guy it dosent matter if it worked out beetwen them or not the only thing that matters is that she cant get pregnat and have kids,so that Wish Jones family will survive in future.And thats a fact,but hey at least main reality Hook wont expirence that fate with his daughter.

      And like Esk said lets not go to far into religion debate.

      You know Alice can still get pregnant right? Lots of same sex couples (male or female) simply use sperm (for female couples) or egg (for male couples) donors, and have children that are biologically related to one parent. So really, your whole argument falls flat, because Alice can have a biological child, if she so chooses.

      I was about to say this. They can have a biological child via donor if people are so adamant about it. Plus, there's also adoption. All the realms are united, you can't tell me there's not an orphan or two somewhere in there that Robin and Alice can adopt and raise.

      Also they live in a world that has magic, the possibilities are endless when it comes to them having children via magic.

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      i regret my post. for once i wanted this thread to be off-topic and at least somehow change the subject from what the original post was about, unfortunately for the commentor below me who was been so rude. its been a while since OUAT ended. and ive completely forgotten most of the final season, so with kind regards. id like my post to be removed. thank you. the internet can be so mean, i dont even know why i bothered. i just wanted to add my thoughts. i wasnt sounding stupid. i was trying to change the subject, bc it got all weird. by me making a happy post, to let all the religious stuff, its just my reply is pointless now. apologies in advance.
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    • Most of that stuff has nothing to do with the topic of the thread, Nook/Rogers relationship, Chad and the Tremaine sisters took up most of the comment, also in no way was that why Ivy left, Reign ended in the summer of 2017 while OnceS7 started in early October.

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    • Walecs wrote:

      Schroeswald wrote:
      Most of that stuff has nothing to do with the topic of the thread, Nook/Rogers relationship, Chad and the Tremaine sisters took up most of the comment, also in no way was that why Ivy left, Reign ended in the summer of 2017 while OnceS7 started in early October.

      Agreed, Kunica once again proved they're completely stupid.

      That wasn't Kunica, that is Burdaelliscomix, and that is also rude so I advise you to not repeat that ~Schroeswald's second account

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    • Actually I was talking about Kunica's homophobic agenda.

      Also, I was not being rude but merely stating facts. I will avoid repeating that, anyway.

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    • It is rude to call someone completely stupid, even if their ideas don't make sense and are reprehensible.

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    • Ok, point taken

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      DonnaBrooks1 wrote:
      Kunica wrote:

      Yeah but they cant get married in any local church or by religious person since they are "LGBT" so technicly they can or they have been married by the "State Law" ,so they arent exactly in marrige since they werent married inside"Temple,Church,Mosgue" and by the person that has authority from Gods(Zeus) and since they are LGBT.And i feel bad for Nook since he will never have any grandchildren of his own.​

      Part 2 - Pretend it's 2018, when, in the U.S. alone, there are TENS OF THOUSANDS of churches, and at least hundreds of synagogues where they can have a religious wedding ceremony!  This is just a partial list of churches I personally know of who have been performing same-sex weddings for years:  United Church of Christ, Society of Friends (Quakers), United Methodist, Presbyterian (PCUSA), Lutheran (ELCA), Episcopal, Pentecostal, Evangelical, Mennonite, Brethren, Unitarian Universalist, and Charismatic.  That's off the top of my head. 

      OUAT is a show whose whole premise is telling new fairy tales.  People in fairy tales are supposed to get a happily ever after and no one deserves a happy ending more than Alice!  But even if you insist on bringing the real world to Storybrooke, a world in which Robin's aunt is NOT queen, then YES, Alice & Robin can get legally married AND have a religious ceremony in a church, if they wish.

      You do realise that "Real World" is just outside Storybrook,and if Archie or any religious church that wants to preform same-sex wedding they still have to be married by the state law,and you do realise that in LWM comunites such as LBGT arent doing well since they are mostly discriminated.And as i recall it,the Deities in many mythologies(Greek,Egyptian,Norse) as well as of Christianty,Judaisam,Islam,Budhisam and Hinduisam that made this religious law" only Man and Women can get married and no one else" so that people can reproduce and still get to afterlife since they were married by Divine Authority.So if you have problem with this go and talk to the Gods that also exist in the show not me.
      No one here is saying LGBT people don't get discriminated against. The point we are making is many churches do recognize same sex marriages. Also, I can't speak for everything, but the Gods in Greek Myth were fine with same sex couples, many of the Gods themselves had same sex lovers.

      Only males were allowed to be gay. Women weren't, so they (the Gods, society) weren't really fine with everyone.

      EDIT: And the grandchildren part is not important. Nook can be happy without grandchildren, and he's never shown the need to have one. Plus, MadArcher could adopt or do what CoolDudeAl explained.

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    • I don't get the point of this discussion. Who cares if they got married in a church or not? Or that the "God" or the "Gods" recognize their marriage? They are happy, and that's what is important.

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    • CadoDoan wrote: I don't get the point of this discussion. Who cares if they got married in a church or not? Or that the "God" or the "Gods" recognize their marriage? They are happy, and that's what is important.

      EXANCLY. We don't even know if lesbian couples are frown upon in a realm of magical places. We don't even know what religion they are (prehaps a fake one).

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    • I find the implication that you marriage only counts if it's in a church to be pretty insulting.

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    • Ok but why is this being debated so fervently? Real world rules don't apply in a fairytale land, and our own laws and history are irrelevant.

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    • Because someone chose to respond in a way that belittles marriage both in show and in real life, and adoption too. I will not let that pass by me unnoted. One does not have to get married in a church for it to be valid, and someone's church marriage is not more valid than someone who gets married in a park or a courthouse. This is a forum for expressing our thoughts and opinions, and that means people will respond to them.

      Belle and Gold weren't married in a church. I don't see anyone saying they're not really married.

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    • I’m pretty sure the implication is that it’s also religious institutions and since Archie was a minister it “counts”, I mean I agree with you, but I believe that was their reasoning. I also doubt that whatever church Archie was cursed to be ordained by would care that a person they don’t know exists married a lesbian couple that they don’t know exists even if they wouldn’t want anyone in the real world to do it.

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    • They live in a fictional world, or rather worlds. So, I wouldn't recommend to adapt our world's systems into OUATverse, not even the LWM. 

      Maybe, Christianity in EF (which exists) is different than the real one. Maybe religions actually support same-sex relationships. Because as I said, it's a fictional universe. They can do whatever they want. 

      Even though I live in a country in which the most of the population are Muslims, I surely know that there are tons of churches of Christianity which perform same-sex weddings. But I won't tolerate this "Alice and Robin won't have children so they're gonna be unhappy", or "Their marriage is not valid since they are LGBT". There is enough hate in the world, let's just not move them into a fictional one.

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    • I agree with what Cado and Utter said; this whole issue of valid marriage and children is pointless.

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    • Archie isn't a minister. Or, we have zero direct evidence that he is. Iirc, he actually uses the word "officiate" when he marries Belle and Gold.

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    • His page said that he ministèred the wedding so I trusted that.

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    • It's a common misconception that only ministers can marry people.

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    • I know that Justices of the Peace and whatnot can marry people, his page calls him a minister so I trusted it.

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    • I'm correcting it. It's an assumption without any evidence.

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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