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  • I'm probably in the minority here, but I love GlassBeliver. I love Cindeella in particular. Prior to 7x19, I thought they were cute initially, and grew to like them, but the episode's scene with their kiss was very well-done.

    I think one of the issues is they were being sold as Snowing 2.0. I wish the writers hadn't done that, and let the writing speak for itself. I also don't think anyone is going to have the same chesmtry as Snowing, considering, theur love story, extended off-screen.

    What;s everyone else's thoughts? Why do you like or dislike GlassBeliever?

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    • Dislike

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    • Dislike. One of my biggest problems with this ship is that they were being promoted as Snowing 2.0, as you said. It’s not my only problem with the ship, by any means, but it definitely added to my disappointment. I feel like I could have shipped Glass Believer-some of their scenes are cute-but the chemistry still isn’t all there, though it has gotten better, and it still feels so high school and one-sided to me; it’s gotten way less one sided now, but it’s still pretty one-sided, and part of that may be because the chemistry still isn’t all there. Also, if the writers had an original love story plot for them at any point, that was basically given up on.

      I just see no real depth or anything interesting about them. There’s nothing that jumps out and yells ‘ ship me! ‘ Cute words printed on paper just aren’t going to cut it for me.

      I didn’t really want Glass Believer to have the same chemistry as Snowing. As you’ve also said, Josh and Ginny eventually became a couple off-screen. So, at the most, I would have gone for Captain Swan. Jen and Colin weren’t dating or married, either, yet, when I started watching the show and didn’t know that, I thought they might have been. Their chemistry was just that good. The fact that Glass Believer was promoted as Snowing, then, couldn’t even match or come close to Captain Swan’s level of chemistry was just disappointing to me.

      That being said, we’re all allowed to ship who we ship. It’s good that people like different things because it means that we’re not all robots, I guess XD I ship Henvy, myself, but I can kinda see the appeal of Glass Believer? I just really don’t try that hard anymore because I have actually tried to get into them, myself, but I just can’t and it’s really not worth it to pressure myself.

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    • I think they’re meh. Nothing special, but not as bad as people make them out to be.

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    • Dislike. I can't lie though, their kiss scene in "Flower Child" actually made me smile. Too bad it took 19 episodes in for me to actually care about them... I guess I liked the brief scenes of them holding baby Lucy in "Secret Garden" and "the Girl in the Tower".

      I felt all of the plot points for their relationship felt pretty unnatural and forced (Seattle love triangle, like I guess it made sense in Drizella's mind to curse them like that but still... , the random net thing, Mr Mixtape... etc.) and how they met? Snow hit Charming with a brick sure, but she was robbing him to leave a kingdom...Ella punched Henry to go and murder a prince! 

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    • I like them and I also like Cinderella (and all s7 iterations of her tale, except for Ana)... They're lovely together

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    • I love them

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    • I don't care enough to either like or dislike them. They're honestly boring.

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    • I don't really ship them, although I am happy that other people do, and can find the same amount of love and enjoyment out of them that I do out of the Henvy ship. There's definitely too little time spent developing them, and also waaaaaay too many time skips in the EF. It hurts the relationship even more.

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    • The Lord of Deathless wrote:
      I don't really ship them, although I am happy that other people do, and can find the same amount of love and enjoyment out of them that I do out of the Henvy ship. There's definitely too little time spent developing them, and also waaaaaay too many time skips in the EF. It hurts the relationship even more.

      I agree with you on that point. We went from their kiss, to them having their baby. I would've liked to see a more coherent timeline, that shows their meeting to havng a kid, without any time jumps.

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    • They've actually grown on me in the last couple of episodes, even though I originally disliked them!  They still don't have chemistry and most of their scenes are pourly written, but at least their present day storyline is more interesting that their NEF one. However, I think Adam & Eddy did a huge mistake by not showing us their love story deeply. For example, in season 1, Snowing's story started in episode 1 and finished in episode 22! Throughout the season we got a great number of episodes with flashbacks about their adventures. In season 7, on the other hand, Henry's & Ella's relationship was shown in the first episode and without showing us anything else, they fould themselves with a child on episode 10. This came out of nowhere! It was such a fast-paced arc that it's no wonder why most of us disliked the ship on the first half of season 7.

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    • I just make myself root for them because there was never a chance they'd not end up together. I don't like all their scenes, some lack chemistry, Dania's acting is off sometimes (not always), but the engagement scene for example I LOVED. Their love story is just one thing out of many that suffered from this crowded 7th season and I guess if we had more seasons to come, they could have had a more in-depth and enjoyable relationship in flashbacks AND present day. 

      Sidenote: Adelaide Kane is so awesome, she practically has chemistry with everyone. No wonder people started shipping her with Henry, lol. Who wouldn't ship that amazing woman. 

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    • Lola987 wrote:
      The Lord of Deathless wrote:
      I don't really ship them, although I am happy that other people do, and can find the same amount of love and enjoyment out of them that I do out of the Henvy ship. There's definitely too little time spent developing them, and also waaaaaay too many time skips in the EF. It hurts the relationship even more.
      I agree with you on that point. We went from their kiss, to them having their baby. I would've liked to see a more coherent timeline, that shows their meeting to havng a kid, without any time jumps.

      To be fair, we did get a mid-point between kiss and baby in 716, with the proposal, but yeah, we could have gotten more points on the timeline.

      As for what I think of the ship, it is fine. I think people's problem with it is that Andrew and Dania have a more chill chemistry, and that doesn't sizzle as much when watching it on a tv show. I also think the other part of the problem is that the writers didn't give Andrew and Dania enough scenes together, both for the actors to get more comfortable, and for the audience to get more invested in the ship. Like if we compare Henry and Ella/Jacinda to Snow/Mary Margaret and Charming/David, Snow/MM and Charming/David had more scenes together in the EF flashbacks and in the SB present day, so naturally this would help both the actors and the audience with the relationship. Henry and Ella/Jacinda got very little time in compareasion. I've said this before, but I'll say it again, it is like the writers wanted to do another take on the Cinderella story, but then decided to focus on every other story they had this season, instead of putting any focus on the Cinderella story.

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    • I agree with CDA. Especially with the “chemistry” talk. I feel these shipping things are more “lust” than love.

      They didn’t delve deep into Ella’s story and if there was a season 8 and maybe Ella’s father as the villain, it would be a lot more engaging. I think Henry and Jace are fine. Actually liking that it’s a bit cheesy and Jace is really, really holding back.

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    • The Lord of Deathless wrote: I don't really ship them, although I am happy that other people do, and can find the same amount of love and enjoyment out of them that I do out of the Henvy ship. There's definitely too little time spent developing them, and also waaaaaay too many time skips in the EF. It hurts the relationship even more.

      That’s sort of true. Maybe, if they would have had more flashbacks, I may have shipped them more. OUAT always does this thing where they go back and forth with flashbacks-so, technically speaking, nothing is ever in order-but I think that the problem with their ship and it feeling rushed is the fact that the writers wanted them to be a ship, but they didn’t really want to write or develop them in the EF. They had other( albeit, more interesting ) stories to focus on, so, their main ship sort of got left on the back-burner in terms of flashbacks, which took away from their development and made it even harder to ship them-you can’t really believe that they’re in love, especially with their still-improving level of chemistry, because, in the flashbacks that are focused on them, they’re meeting, having their first kiss, having Lucy, then, he’s proposing. It’s bad enough that the chemistry is satisfactory, at best; they didn’t really give the relationship time to develop.

      I think one of the reasons why I ship Henvy is because we are given flashbacks with them, but, in all of them, Drizella is evil. We’re not supposed to believe that they’re in love, and I didn’t even start to until their scenes in Hyperion Heights. With Glass Believer, we’re told ‘ this is the main canon ship. Try to ship them. ‘ yet, we’re given no real reason to ship them. Idk, if that makes sense? I’m trying to explain this here, but I can’t XD

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    • I think Henry and Jacinda work better than Henry and Cinderella. They've had more development together and have more of a reason to be into each other (even if, like, 80% of it is Lucy playing matchmaker, lol). Henry and Ella, I can buy Ella falling for Henry because he's been so nice to her even after she punched him and stole his motorcycle, but Henry fell too far too fast when Ella was a jerk to him. It indicates that Henry's interest in her is based entirely on looks, which seems very shallow for Henry.

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    • This is why I separate the terminology here.

      Ex. Henry-Ivy ship is different from the Henry-Ivy relationship in the show. Henry has no romantic feelings towards Ivy.

      Likewise with Henry and Jace. I think their romance HH side is pretty solid. Out of the old school and more behind the scenes than it should be. But it’s perfectly fine to me. Henry and Ella was a bit harder to swallow as it felt more like a Love at first sight in a FTL that felt more incredulous than the HH variation.

      The key to the HH side is Lucy and Jace feels heavily realistic even with limited screentime and a flipped love triangle that really had no purpose.

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    • I'm not much of a fan of GlassBeliever, but i loved the 716 proposal scene and the 719 present day scene. I wish we had more of those scenes. 

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    • I get why people ship Ivy and Henry, but I can't, because Ivy reminds me too much of Regina, so it feels weird.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      I'm not much of a fan of GlassBeliever, but i loved the 716 proposal scene and the 719 present day scene. I wish we had more of those scenes. 

      But, IMO, it can't beat Henvy. I just loved the chemistry between Andrew and Adelaide.

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    • I agree with Eskaver on the ships being more about lust than love thing. Just watch a shipper video and chances are you'll see it. I hate non-canon ships, and usually won't comment on them because they are often delusion. I'm okay with people doing it as long as they draw the line at the actual actors. Shipping actors who have no real relationship gets into some creepy territory.

      I don't hate Jacinda and Henry. I don't even hate Cinderella and Henry. I do hate Ivy and Henry...it was unrealistic. I absolutely loved their scenes together and agree they had more chemistry...but it wasn't necessarily romantic or sexual chemistry, it was just good actor/people chemistry. Same way with Regina and Emma...I never saw anything romantic, it was all just powerful acting that made the sparks fly between them. So many peple did interpret it as romantic though. Even the scene where she cut off the branch in Regina's Tree. XD

      I have really enjoyed the recent scenes with Henry and Jacinda. But it's the end of the season and I'm ready to move on to the next stage in the story and see my old favorites again.  Unless they do something amazing that makes me change my mind, this romance was a snore. 

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    • I don't mind shipping the two characters together. I think that Henry and Ella do have true love between each other. but I honestly thought that Alice and Robin had better chemistry and could join the Henry and Drizella ship at the very end. 

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    • Ever since I saw the episode "Hat Trick", I shipped Henry/Grace; I still do. I know they didn't end up together, but I think they would have made a great couple. Also, someone once told me this: "Did they not think to give Henry some on-screen friends?" I'm referring to Hansel and Gretel AKA Nicholas and Ava Zimmer. I mean, I like the show, but it just didn't turn out the way I expected.

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    • Hacing watched most of s7, I do like that tehir relationship is basially Henry telling Ella not to do the thing while she is in the middle of doing the thing. I think that's cute

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    • Tombaker203 wrote: Ever since I saw the episode "Hat Trick", I shipped Henry/Grace; I still do. I know they didn't end up together, but I think they would have made a great couple. Also, someone once told me this: "Did they not think to give Henry some on-screen friends?" I'm referring to Hansel and Gretel AKA Nicholas and Ava Zimmer. I mean, I like the show, but it just didn't turn out the way I expected.

      How come no one's posted an opinion about this?

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    • (MOD) This thread is about GlassBeliever's relationship, so if you'd like to discuss Henry/Grace's relationship, feel free to create a thread about their relationship, but this thread must be used to discuss GlassBeliever, and not anything else.

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote: (MOD) This thread is about GlassBeliever's relationship, so if you'd like to discuss Henry/Grace's relationship, feel free to create a thread about their relationship, but this thread must be used to discuss GlassBeliever, and not anything else.

      Okay.

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