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  • Can someone please explain this to me. How did the second iteration of Hansel and Gretel take place in Oz. Don't they all have to take place in the New Realms? Isn't that the whole point. So technically both Hansel and Gretel's happened in the same realm? There's a New Wonderland, so wouldn't there be a new Oz?

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    • Rwo

      Oz and the EF are not the same realm.

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    • Briar Rose (Sleeping Beauty) lives and gave birth to Aurora (Sleeping Beauty).

      The stories aren’t limited by realms whatsoever.

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    • It doesn't have to take place in different realms.

      We already know Anastasia, who as far as we know is from the Enchanted Forest, had her own version of Cinderella separate from Ashley and Jacinda.

      There are also two different cases of a Sea Witch who tortures mermaids, as well as a third Ursula who we don't really know what she did. Sea Witch Ursula and Ariel also each have their own half of a "The Little Mermaid" storyline, with Ursula being banned from meeting humans by her father and Ariel falling in love with a human and losing her voice.

      Rumple and Prince Phillip both have their own forms of a Beauty and the Beast story, both with the same Belle.

      Briar Rose and Aurora both went through a Sleeping Beauty storyline via the same Maleficent.

      In the New Enchanted Forest, we have three different versions of Rapunzel: Rapunzel herself, Gothel, and Alice.

      We've had several variations of Aladdin. The original was with Sidney and Leopold. Then we had Cyrus, Alice, and Jafar. Then the same Jafar also interacted with the actual Aladdin and Jasmine.

      And so forth.

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    • I get what you guys are saying but this a bit of a different situation. Briar Rose gave birth to Aurora and they both take on the Sleeping Beauty role, but they aren't the same person. That's believable. It's not really believable to think that there are two Hansel's, two Gretel's and two Blind Witch's, who just so happen to have the same story lol. Being put under a sleeping curse and having the same name and being kidnapped by a blind witch and taken to a gingerbread house to be eaten by her aren't exactly the same.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      I get what you guys are saying but this a bit of a different situation. Briar Rose gave birth to Aurora and they both take on the Sleeping Beauty role, but they aren't the same person. That's believable. It's not really believable to think that there are two Hansel's, two Gretel's and two Blind Witch's, who just so happen to have the same story lol. Being put under a sleeping curse and having the same name and being kidnapped by a blind witch and taken to a gingerbread house to be eaten by her aren't exactly the same.

      They weren't exactly the same, though; Oz Hansel and Gretel's witch wasn't blind until after they escaped, and she survived. They were also kidnapped, whereas EF Hansel and Gretel went to the cottage by their own volition. It's no more similar than, again, Leopold, Cyrus, and Aladdin's versions of the Aladdin story, or Anastasia and Clorinda's versions of the Cinderella story.

      I mean. If we're going by logic, there are a lot more things wrong with the show than the existence of two kids named Hansel who were both almost eaten by a witch. This is kind of nitpicky.

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    • I’m certain that there are a lot of Hansels in the world to account for having two Hansels in two separate worlds...

      There’s nothing more to it unless you want to randomly have a writer tell you that those are popular names and based on Oz and EF folklore that has travelled across realms, etc, etc.

      Plus, the story isn’t the same at all. Regina purposefully sent hundreds of children to BW’s gingerbread house.

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    • Rwo

      Eskaver wrote: Regina purposefully sent hundreds of children to BW’s gingerbread house.

      Plot twist: they were all named Hansel and Gretel! x'D

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    • The stories being told differently don't mean too much though. There are differences in the Cinderella stories but they are still both Cinderella.

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    • I agree with the OP. It's weird and makes no real sense. 

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    • I thought this was odd too. We've never seen second iterations of characters within the old realms, just the New S7 ones.

      I wouldn't put some of the examples given, it in the same category, as Hansel and Gretel, because they were more organic (e.g. Aurora and Briar Rose are both based on Sleepng Beauty, but they're not two different iterations, because they come from an interconnected story, with the same villain - it's more organic. Sleeping Beauty Sr. is also the Queen from the Original Sleeping Beauty story. Red Queen is based on the Disney's Cinderella, but she isn't the stepsister, etc)

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    • The way I see it, the different versions of characters are just mixed up in different realms and not split in two (or three) parrelell realms

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    • I know it's a bit off subject but I found it a bit ironic when Hansel said there's no such thing as a good witch when they live in the Land of Oz

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    • Rwo

      Well Zelena banished them all so he was right.

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    • I know this is a bit of an old conversation but I think I understand what RedCoatOffical is trying to say. 

      It seems realms like the Orginal Enchanted Forest, Oz, Orginal Wonderland, Fictional England, etc. exist on one plane of existence and realms like the New Enchanted Forest and New Wonderland exist on a second plane of existence. It seems the barrier between the two planes of reailty are the Wish Realm and the Land Without Magic.

      Jefferson's hat had doors leading to the orignal Enchanted Forest (where Hansel and Gretel from S1 lived) and Oz (where Hansel and Gretel from S7 lived). Jefferson's hat also had a door to original Wonderland (where Alice from the spin-off lived) but it had no door that led to the New Enchanted Forest or New Enchanted Forest (both of which are places Alice Jones lived) 

      Does that make sense? 

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    • AJDSOUAT wrote: I know this is a bit of an old conversation but I think I understand what RedCoatOffical is trying to say. 

      It seems realms like the Orginal Enchanted Forest, Oz, Orginal Wonderland, Fictional England, etc. exist on one plane of existence and realms like the New Enchanted Forest and New Wonderland exist on a second plane of existence. It seems the barrier between the two planes of reailty are the Wish Realm and the Land Without Magic.

      Jefferson's hat had doors leading to the orignal Enchanted Forest (where Hansel and Gretel from S1 lived) and Oz (where Hansel and Gretel from S7 lived). Jefferson's hat also had a door to original Wonderland (where Alice from the spin-off lived) but it had no door that led to the New Enchanted Forest or New Enchanted Forest (both of which are places Alice Jones lived) 

      Does that make sense? 

      I get what you're trying to say but the reason why the "New" realms were not in the hat is because they simply weren't intoduced yet. Same with the hat in S1 didn't have LWC even tho the writers already came up with the idea of it at the time, same with the S7 door case.

      That's the way I see it.

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    • AJDSOUAT wrote: I know this is a bit of an old conversation but I think I understand what RedCoatOffical is trying to say. 

      It seems realms like the Orginal Enchanted Forest, Oz, Orginal Wonderland, Fictional England, etc. exist on one plane of existence and realms like the New Enchanted Forest and New Wonderland exist on a second plane of existence. It seems the barrier between the two planes of reailty are the Wish Realm and the Land Without Magic.

      Jefferson's hat had doors leading to the orignal Enchanted Forest (where Hansel and Gretel from S1 lived) and Oz (where Hansel and Gretel from S7 lived). Jefferson's hat also had a door to original Wonderland (where Alice from the spin-off lived) but it had no door that led to the New Enchanted Forest or New Enchanted Forest (both of which are places Alice Jones lived) 

      Does that make sense? 

      I mean, that's mainly because the NEF hadn't been thought of yet. There are a number of doors that we don't know where they lead.

      Think of it this way: how many famous actresses are named Jennifer? Or actors named Chris? Heck, just actors named Chris in Marvel movies. You could say they all have the same "story" because they have the same name and live through incredibly similar events.

      Hansel and Gretel could be really common names in the Enchanted Forest. It's not impossible for two people named Hansel to live through similar events.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      AJDSOUAT wrote: I know this is a bit of an old conversation but I think I understand what RedCoatOffical is trying to say. 

      It seems realms like the Orginal Enchanted Forest, Oz, Orginal Wonderland, Fictional England, etc. exist on one plane of existence and realms like the New Enchanted Forest and New Wonderland exist on a second plane of existence. It seems the barrier between the two planes of reailty are the Wish Realm and the Land Without Magic.

      Jefferson's hat had doors leading to the orignal Enchanted Forest (where Hansel and Gretel from S1 lived) and Oz (where Hansel and Gretel from S7 lived). Jefferson's hat also had a door to original Wonderland (where Alice from the spin-off lived) but it had no door that led to the New Enchanted Forest or New Enchanted Forest (both of which are places Alice Jones lived) 

      Does that make sense? 

      I mean, that's mainly because the NEF hadn't been thought of yet. There are a number of doors that we don't know where they lead.

      Think of it this way: how many famous actresses are named Jennifer? Or actors named Chris? Heck, just actors named Chris in Marvel movies. You could say they all have the same "story" because they have the same name and live through incredibly similar events.

      Hansel and Gretel could be really common names in the Enchanted Forest. It's not impossible for two people named Hansel to live through similar events.

      Agreed.

      Plus, Hilda pretty much hails from FTL, so it could just be an FTL witch thing that has witches lure children to candy houses to eat them. Even in season 1, they had 2 Blind witches, Blind Witch (we see also in 5) and Mrs. Ginger.

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    • Hansel and Gretel are indeed probably common names... but two Hansel's and two Gretel's being siblings and getting kidnapped by a (blind) witch who has a candy house and eats kids? lol that's too coincidental

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: Hansel and Gretel are indeed probably common names... but two Hansel's and two Gretel's being siblings and getting kidnapped by a (blind) witch who has a candy house and eats kids? lol that's too coincidental

      Nope. Two pairs of children out of possible millions isn’t at all improbable. And Hansel and Gretel of EF weren’t. Even the first pair of children that Regina sent to the Blind Witch.

      Plus, all three Blind witches we know all hail from the same world and presumably all do the same things. It’s like having three people name Joe and is a plumber from the same country, let alone state. It’s really common.

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    • It did take place in a different realm, because Oz is a different realm from the (original) Enchanted Forest.

      The third Blind Witch (Hilda), if she doesn't hail from Oz, probably hails from the New Enchanted Forest rather than from the original one, since she's later part of the Coven of the Eight in the New Enchanted Forest.

      The first Blind Witch (Miss Ginger) is from the same world as the second Blind Witch, but has no (known) involvement in a Hansel and Gretel story, despite matching the description.

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