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  • Well, since there's almost four months IIRC that Killian is absent, I think that one of the admins should be promoted to bureaucrat, to fullfill his role... What you guys think?

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    • It's up to you, but Killian is not the only Bureaucrat on this wiki. We also have Utter solitude, who is still active.

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    • Nightlily wrote:
      It's up to you, but Killian is not the only Bureaucrat on this wiki. We also have Utter solitude, who is still active.

      I know we have Utter, but it's better having two, IMO

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    • Nightlily wrote:
      It's up to you, but Killian is not the only Bureaucrat on this wiki. We also have Utter solitude, who is still active.

      Utter's not really that active lately, so i kind of agree with the suggestion. http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Utter_solitude

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    • Disagree, the roles of admins and bureaucrats are not that different, the only difference I know is that bureaucrats can promote/demote users, and she'll be there when we need her for that. So I don't think we need someone to fulfill Killian's role as a bureaucrat.

      What we might need though is someone to fulfill Killian's role as an admin ^^ I think this would be much more helpful, and especially with our troll problem as admins are able to block them :)

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    • Rubenvst wrote: Disagree, the roles of admins and bureaucrats are not that different, the only difference I know is that bureaucrats can promote/demote users, and she'll be there when we need her for that. So I don't think we need someone to fulfill Killian's role as a bureaucrat.

      Ruben is entirely right. From a rights/wikia pov, a new bureaucrat changes absolutely nothing. They're the same as admins, they just have more rights to name admins themselves. That's all. Except from that, they're the same as admins; so no, we don't need a new bureaucrat.

      Would change nothing in our daily life ^^

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    • I really don’t see how it affects our daily life here on the wiki. No admin or staff have appeared to have any major documented issues, right?

      Killian was made a Bureaucrat recently (like within a year or so, my memory is in peak shape) so I’m sure we managed beforehand.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      Rubenvst wrote: Disagree, the roles of admins and bureaucrats are not that different, the only difference I know is that bureaucrats can promote/demote users, and she'll be there when we need her for that. So I don't think we need someone to fulfill Killian's role as a bureaucrat.

      Ruben is entirely right. From a rights/wikia pov, a new bureaucrat changes absolutely nothing. They're the same as admins, they just have more rights to name admins themselves. That's all. Except from that, they're the same as admins; so no, we don't need a new bureaucrat.

      Would change nothing in our daily life ^^

      Yeah, know that i actually understand the difference i think it's quite pointless, so i disagree.

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    • I disagree with having a new bureaucrat. 

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    • Rubenvst wrote:
      Disagree, the roles of admins and bureaucrats are not that different, the only difference I know is that bureaucrats can promote/demote users, and she'll be there when we need her for that. So I don't think we need someone to fulfill Killian's role as a bureaucrat.

      What we might need though is someone to fulfill Killian's role as an admin ^^ I think this would be much more helpful, and especially with our troll problem as admins are able to block them :)

      I agree with that.

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    • What about having a new admin??

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote: What about having a new admin??

      I don’t think that’s necessary.

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:
      What about having a new admin??

      Well, i don't see why that would be necessary, since Lily and Applegirl are very active in the wiki. 

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    • Could the title of the topic be changed?

      I thought this was about Killian, the character

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    • We definitely don't need a new 'crat; Utter may not be active, but she's always been around when we need something 'crat-exclusive performed (which is very rare).

      I don't think we need a new admin, either. At this point, we're only a few weeks away from the series being over and traffic being at a minimum. Even now, the only thing we've really needed the admins for is the occasional troll, which we have the Troll Alarm Button for should they both be busy. The show is close enough to dead that we don't have a particularly high influx of new users who haven't read the rules; most of the issues lately have been in the forum, and we have forum mods for that.

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    • I don't think we need new admins or bureaucrats at the present time. Besides Killian can always come back, right?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I don't think we need new admins or bureaucrats at the present time. Besides Killian can always come back, right?

      I dunno, since he himself changed his spot on the "Staff" page for "Inactive" before being gone. 

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    • He is back

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    • I'm not sure what I'm suggesting, nor is it possible. But since Killian made his last edit a long time ago and is inactive, can we "remove" him from being an admin? As I said, I'm not trying to be rude or anything. But I'd want an admin who is mostly active and wander throughout the pages and threads. I believe that's my right as a user. 

      Maybe one of the admins can leave him a message on Facebook or somewhere else, so that we can be sure about it.

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    • CadoDoan wrote: I'm not sure what I'm suggesting, nor is it possible. But since Killian made his last edit a long time ago and is inactive, can we "remove" him from being an admin? As I said, I'm not trying to be rude or anything. But I'd want an admin who is mostly active and wander throughout the pages and threads. I believe that's my right as a user. 

      Maybe one of the admins can leave him a message on Facebook or somewhere else, so that we can be sure about it.

      As a bureaucrat, he can only demote himself.

      Because of the drama that has occurred between the admins, if one of them asked him to step down, it would almost certainly stir up drama between them and accomplish nothing.

      It's not like him being an admin has any detrimental effects, though. We could always just promote more admins if we want ones who are active; there's no limit to how many admins we can have.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      CadoDoan wrote: I'm not sure what I'm suggesting, nor is it possible. But since Killian made his last edit a long time ago and is inactive, can we "remove" him from being an admin? As I said, I'm not trying to be rude or anything. But I'd want an admin who is mostly active and wander throughout the pages and threads. I believe that's my right as a user. 

      Maybe one of the admins can leave him a message on Facebook or somewhere else, so that we can be sure about it.

      As a bureaucrat, he can only demote himself.

      Because of the drama that has occurred between the admins, if one of them asked him to step down, it would almost certainly stir up drama between them and accomplish nothing.

      It's not like him being an admin has any detrimental effects, though. We could always just promote more admins if we want ones who are active; there's no limit to how many admins we can have.

      I may be wrong, but as long as there is a consensus and viable proof a community wants to demote a bureaucrat, you can send an email to Wikia and they will be able to do it. I mean, I don't think demoting Killian would matter and as DatNuttyKid suggested, we could always promote more admins.

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    • There will be a community discussion about possibly demoting Killian coming very soon.

      I am around. You may not see me editing, but I do check the wiki activity often. I have been battling cancer all of this year, and while I am in remission, I am still recovering from treatment. I'll be more active in the future :)

      Personally, I think we have a good number of admins, but we can always discuss these things at any time. We have a great community of active editors and posters.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      There will be a community discussion about possibly demoting Killian coming very soon.

      I am around. You may not see me editing, but I do check the wiki activity often. I have been battling cancer all of this year, and while I am in remission, I am still recovering from treatment. I'll be more active in the future :)

      Personally, I think we have a good number of admins, but we can always discuss these things at any time. We have a great community of active editors and posters.

      Yeah, we know you're always in the background. I didn't know you're dealing with these issues. I'm glad that you're in the process of recovering though. Hope you get better Utter ;)

      I agree that we have fine number of admins. I'm waiting for that community discussion then.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:

      Yeah, we know you're always in the background. I didn't know you're dealing with these issues. I'm glad that you're in the process of recovering though. Hope you get better Utter ;)

      I agree that we have fine number of admins. I'm waiting for that community discussion then.

      The wiki carries on just fine without my constant presence. That's what I've been trying to build since the beginning, so I'm glad :) Thanks for the kind words!

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      There will be a community discussion about possibly demoting Killian coming very soon.

      I am around. You may not see me editing, but I do check the wiki activity often. I have been battling cancer all of this year, and while I am in remission, I am still recovering from treatment. I'll be more active in the future :)

      Personally, I think we have a good number of admins, but we can always discuss these things at any time. We have a great community of active editors and posters.

      A community discussion about this is really important, I'm glad this is happening mainly because of all that dramatic situation as CD mentioned. I had really no idea you were facing this kind of issues, so I rlly hope u get better soon! <3

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    • I think a community discussion is important, I also had no idea and I hope that you get better soon Utter, though the wiki functions without you you provide a bit of charm that no one can replace.

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    • I'm standing by my earlier point, that I'm not sure we need anymore admins, especially since the Once universe itself is "inactive" for the forseeable future.

      Utter: Glad to hear you are in remission. Hope you continue to feel better.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      I am around. You may not see me editing, but I do check the wiki activity often. I have been battling cancer all of this year, and while I am in remission, I am still recovering from treatment. I'll be more active in the future :)​​​

      Didn't knew about this. Hope you get better soon <3

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    • Utter solitude wrote: There will be a community discussion about possibly demoting Killian coming very soon.

      I am around. You may not see me editing, but I do check the wiki activity often. I have been battling cancer all of this year, and while I am in remission, I am still recovering from treatment. I'll be more active in the future :)

      Personally, I think we have a good number of admins, but we can always discuss these things at any time. We have a great community of active editors and posters.

      Hope you get better, Utter :)

      The number of admins is good, we don't need another one. I do think we need to have a discussion about demoting him.

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    • I should also mention, if Killian appears to be done with the wiki, and given what I read on Nightlily's wall, I think he is done, since he has been exposed, we don't really need to keep him listed as an admin. If he comes back with a complaint, the reasoning is simple: He has been completely inactive for quite some time.

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    • Even if we don't demote him, we should at least remove his colors, his part on the staff page, etc. It makes it look like he is active, which is not the case.

      He was exposed and the show is over; he's not coming back and I'm sure many others agree. I personally don't think the issue is will he come back?

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      There will be a community discussion about possibly demoting Killian coming very soon.

      I am around. You may not see me editing, but I do check the wiki activity often. I have been battling cancer all of this year, and while I am in remission, I am still recovering from treatment. I'll be more active in the future :)

      Personally, I think we have a good number of admins, but we can always discuss these things at any time. We have a great community of active editors and posters.

      I had no idea about that, Utter. I'm really glad you're recovering and wish you luck! <3 <3 <3

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    • Completely agree with CDA and Nick

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