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  • A very popular thread needs a catchy name! To recap, we have been given a number of the Witches with a few unknown. We don't know if they'll reconvene in Hyperion Heights or even in flashback lore. LEt's go with that we know.

    1. Eloise Gardener (Mother Gothel): A powerful Woodland Nymph 


    cursed name being Greek, derivative of Helios, son of Hyperion, the ever-watching Sun
    cursed surname denoting her as the leader and tender of the garden/ her fairytale role

    2. Andrea Sage (????): ??????, possible Doctor or Healer


    cursed name being Greek, derivative of Andros, meaning manly, translit, womanly; brave
    cursed surname being that of a plant, a spice called sage

    3. Luanne Hoffs-Drawlar? (Madame Leota): A powerful Medium


    much is unknown

    4. Hilda Braeburn (?????????): A blind Witch


    cursed name being Norse, meaning battle, warrior (Helga: Norse, meaning Holy)
    cursed surname being that of a plant, a type of apple (and apple tree)

    5. Ivy Belfrey (Drizella Tremaine): An evil stepsister....who has magic


    cursed name being that of a plant, surname being Old French meaning belltower

    6. ???? (Seraphina): A normal mage from the LWM long ago.

    7. ????

    8. The Eighth Witch (once filled by Regina Mills)

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    • Good breakdown, Esk. I think Gretel is likely to be one of the witches, and for the last unknown witch, maybe Mombi from Oz.

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    • Depends where the story takes Gretel. Probably a Witch as we really only have a few episodes left.

      15—Gretel; 16-Blind Witch/Giantess?, 17–Mombi?

      Still I really am lost if the writers gave us hints for Andrea Sage. Perhaps the Duchess or she really is Dr. Dolittle, just without any strong clues.

      My secret Wish was to see them in their fairytale glory, outfits and all, but that seems more farfetched than seeing the individual Dark Ones.

      A way out for Gretel being both a test for Drizzy and still alive is is she is some sort of illusion master, which could tie into the story...maybe.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      My secret Wish was to see them in their fairytale glory, outfits and all, but that seems more farfetched than seeing the individual Dark Ones.

      Gosh, I wanna see this too :'(

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    • CaptainCobra wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      My secret Wish was to see them in their fairytale glory, outfits and all, but that seems more farfetched than seeing the individual Dark Ones.

      Gosh, I wanna see this too :'(

      Don’t worry, we won’t. There’s like a 1% chance that we will but without Snow around I have lost hope. It’s probably a money saving mechanism to just bring in extras in hoods, but maybe they had the actresses have some scene that they can morph together.

      BAre minimum is for the to exposit on all of them via Gothel, which is better than nothing, but I put that at like a 25% possibility.

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    • Well, so do u think the next episode will be when the witches are revealed?

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: Btw guys here’s the pic I was talking about http://onceuponatime-tv.wikia.com/wiki/File:CEA156E4-4714-4D38-8C0C-3F16B51705C4.png

      Talking about what?

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    • https://mobile.twitter.com/xia902/status/975910029340524544/photo/2

      Have you seen this? Regina wearing one of the mantles on set.

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    • Bottondoro wrote: https://mobile.twitter.com/xia902/status/975910029340524544/photo/2

      Have you seen this? Regina wearing one of the mantles on set.

      This is offtopic. Please do not post offtopic material on any thread.

      The Coven Cloaks are black.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote: Btw guys here’s the pic I was talking about http://onceuponatime-tv.wikia.com/wiki/File:CEA156E4-4714-4D38-8C0C-3F16B51705C4.png

      Talking about what?

      I mentioned it in the last thread.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote: Btw guys here’s the pic I was talking about http://onceuponatime-tv.wikia.com/wiki/File:CEA156E4-4714-4D38-8C0C-3F16B51705C4.png

      Talking about what?

      I mentioned it in the last thread.

      So, you don’t want to refresh us on this potential witch?

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote: Btw guys here’s the pic I was talking about http://onceuponatime-tv.wikia.com/wiki/File:CEA156E4-4714-4D38-8C0C-3F16B51705C4.png

      Talking about what?
      I mentioned it in the last thread.
      So, you don’t want to refresh us on this potential witch?

      Probably what he said here:

      RedCoatOfficial 

      I honestly don’t know why I haven’t brought this up before but has anyone seen the photo of what looks like Cinderella in a cloak?

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    • ^Yes, that. Looks a lot Cinderella to me.

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    • Well, I don’t think it’s Jace. Maybe a Witch actually survives?

      Anyone knows the date of the image?

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    • I screenshotted it on Feb 16 around midnight and I took it from emma’s Story and it was posted an hour before so Feb 15.

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    • Does anyone know what episode was filming when Nisreen did that live video? I’m about to go look for the exact date she did it

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    • Why was it posted here? Seems largely irrelevant to this thread .

      I guess you tied up a loose end.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Why was it posted here? Seems largely irrelevant to this thread .

      I guess you tied up a loose end.

      Why was what posted here? If you’re talking about the Nisreen question, I’m trying to figure out if she would’ve been on set during Friday’s episode. I put it here since we’re trying to figure out who the witches are and Nisreen is playing one.

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    • I guess she was doing reshoots, because 715 didn't start filming until January.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: I screenshotted it on Feb 16 around midnight and I took it from emma’s Story and it was posted an hour before so Feb 15.

      The screenshot is certainly not Dania. I was thinking perhaps Mombi or something, but....

      If dated correctly it appears to be in “Flower Child”/7x19. Seeing the desk Sargent, it’s in HH.

      So, either Gothel:

      A. Raised the Coven if they all died/so, those are just extras in cloaks/ maybe one or two with face shown/seen.

      B. Got new ones (not likely)

      C. Raised her nymph friends/an earlier Coven and they are in the flashback and present/maybe extras.

      If it’s one of the two we don’t know/probably Mombi. Then yes! If it’s B or C, uhhhhh, okay.

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    • Botton brought up a good point on another thread.

      The AoR (Amulet with a bad name) was in Zelena's posssesion seemingly at all times even beyond the curse.

      So, unless the Coven really can do anything...Leota wouldn't be in the coven, right? She probably is, but...

      (Side theory: I thought Luanne Hoffs-Drawlar was Leota...but then, she'd be dead. Hoffs-Drawlar was a Funeral Home in Lost...and Leota is a nedium of the dead.)

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    • Eskaver wrote: Botton brought up a good point on another thread.

      The AoR (Amulet with a bad name) was in Zelena's posssesion seemingly at all times even beyond the curse.

      So, unless the Coven really can do anything...Leota wouldn't be in the coven, right? She probably is, but...

      (Side theory: I thought Luanne Hoffs-Drawlar was Leota...but then, she'd be dead. Hoffs-Drawlar was a Funeral Home in Lost...and Leota is a nedium of the dead.)

      That is a good point (and a good side theory - I thought Hoffs-Drawlar sounded vaguely familiar).

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    • Thanks! And I bet... Gothel herself has sent the candies to her sisters, containing the same potion prepared by Gothel and used by Driz to wake up Regina, to wake them up and summon them, as she told to Ana in the room with the cloaks.

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    • Still thinking that we must have missed something in figuring out Andrea Sage.

      Gothel's name literally says that she's Gothel. Hilda's name says Witchy name and Apple, which ties in with Once lore. Andrea's name is lacking.

      Andrea Sage:

      - drinks key lime seltzer (Any witches die by drowning, seltzer, limes, or something?)

      - eats tea cakes

      - takes her sweet time

      - is a doctor that does a lot of blood tests

      - Works with Nurse Clemmons

      - Not a Witch that Rumple knows of, given Weaver's expression

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    • Andrea Sage A sage is also a name for a wise woman. Baba Yaga is a wise woman, but nothing about her seemed Baba Yagish to me.

      - drinks key lime seltzer (Any witches die by drowning, seltzer, limes, or something?) Green is a very Ozzy color on the show. I doubt she's Mombi or the WWE, though.  Also the color of Flubber!

      - eats tea cakes We've went over the Wonderland thing already. In my opinion, besides the tea cakes, nothing links her to Wonderland. None of the characters there who could be "witchy" are related to being a doctor. References that would allude to her being the Duchess or even her cook would have been: Pigs in a blanket, babies, sneezing, cheshire cats, child abuse, her chin, pepper or soup. The Duchess nor any female Wonderland character are related to the other references.

      - Works with Nurse Clemmons Clemmons and Limes. What? I thought it was funny.

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    • OUAT: The Darkness wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Botton brought up a good point on another thread.

      The AoR (Amulet with a bad name) was in Zelena's posssesion seemingly at all times even beyond the curse.

      So, unless the Coven really can do anything...Leota wouldn't be in the coven, right? She probably is, but...

      (Side theory: I thought Luanne Hoffs-Drawlar was Leota...but then, she'd be dead. Hoffs-Drawlar was a Funeral Home in Lost...and Leota is a nedium of the dead.)

      That is a good point (and a good side theory - I thought Hoffs-Drawlar sounded vaguely familiar).

      Now I know they can't do Narnia (which still makes me sad) because the first person Dr. Sage made me think of was the Lady of the Green Kirtle from The Silver Chair  

      Leota could be the town mortician... dead bodies are showing up, it could make sense to see a coroner or mortician...

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    • I found this site that says lime can be used for casting "healing spells" and sage incense is used to increase good judgment and wisdom. I'm not too sure how reliable it is though. It's kind of like a modern witchcraft site.

      Do with that what you will, but it seems like the writers wanted Dr. Sage to be a doctor.

      Here is the link if anybody wants to take a peak.

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    • Doesn’t Sage mean healer? I thought I heard someone say that. Are there any healer witches? Also the seltzer kinda reminds me of Yzma’s potions or something like that. Just really hopeful she’s a Disney villainess. Do you guys think we’ll find out tonight?

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    • I’m hopeful because the episode is called “Sisterhood” (and Gothel constantly calls the coven members her sisters) but at the same time I’m kinda under the impression it will never be revealed.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      Doesn’t Sage mean healer? I thought I heard someone say that. Are there any healer witches? Also the seltzer kinda reminds me of Yzma’s potions or something like that. Just really hopeful she’s a Disney villainess. Do you guys think we’ll find out tonight?

      No, a sage is a wise person.

      I think the Yzma things are a stretch. Not impossible, but I'd think they'd be more overt. (Though, Yuma was an advisor and a scientist.)

      Gothel is literally called Gardener, the Blind Witch is a Baker, so....

      I doubt we will find out, but it's the cherry on top if we do! Like, have Gothel do a roll-call, even if they aren't onscreen and I'll give it a pass. I'd rather see all of them, but I can understand limitations, given that this season has apparently a sustantial of cut scenes.

      So, roll call name mention and maybe 1 more witch. There were 5 behind Gothel.

      Leota (theory: Luanne Hoff-Drawlar), Unknown, (Andrea Sage), Blind Witch (Hilda Braeburn)

      Two left to go! If we don't get all of them (filming shows Gretel and a possible Drizzy-hairstyled brunette witch, but I think that's just Drizzy's stand-in), I'm holding out for Mombi.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      Doesn’t Sage mean healer? I thought I heard someone say that. Are there any healer witches? Also the seltzer kinda reminds me of Yzma’s potions or something like that. Just really hopeful she’s a Disney villainess. Do you guys think we’ll find out tonight?

      No, a sage is a wise person.

      I think the Yzma things are a stretch. Not impossible, but I'd think they'd be more overt. (Though, Yuma was an advisor and a scientist.)

      Gothel is literally called Gardener, the Blind Witch is a Baker, so....

      I doubt we will find out, but it's the cherry on top if we do! Like, have Gothel do a roll-call, even if they aren't onscreen and I'll give it a pass. I'd rather see all of them, but I can understand limitations, given that this season has apparently a sustantial of cut scenes.

      So, roll call name mention and maybe 1 more witch. There were 5 behind Gothel.

      Leota (theory: Luanne Hoff-Drawlar), Unknown, (Andrea Sage), Blind Witch (Hilda Braeburn)

      Two left to go! If we don't get all of them (filming shows Gretel and a possible Drizzy-hairstyled brunette witch, but I think that's just Drizzy's stand-in), I'm holding out for Mombi.

      I’m honestly expecting either 1. No reveal at all. Or 2. Gothel says something like “we’ve already lost Hilda and “Yzma/Duchess/etc” or in the EF we get a flashback and can tell who they are or Gothel just mentions them.

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    • They did say we were getting iconic witches from lore and Disney and so far we only got Leota (Disney) and BW (lore) so likely we will get at least one more reveal.

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    • Wow turns out the mystery women were not in the coven, although I could have sworn I saw NEF Sage.

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    • Wait what?

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: Wait what?

      They were candidates. Only one would join the Coven, Drizella.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      Wow turns out the mystery women were not in the coven, although I could have sworn I saw NEF Sage.

      I thought I saw her too. It probably wasn't her though. I'm guessing we've been waiting for so long to find out who the coven members are, our brain tricked us.

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    • OUAT: The Darkness wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      Wow turns out the mystery women were not in the coven, although I could have sworn I saw NEF Sage.

      I thought I saw her too. It probably wasn't her though. I'm guessing we've been waiting for so long to find out who the coven members are, our brain tricked us.

      I think next episode will feature an underwater Coven Witch, and she was the one that was not present for the Curse casting because she cannot walk on land.

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    • So no new info on who anyone is?

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    • I haven’t seen it yet

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: I haven’t seen it yet

      Jack is the witch killer, almost certainly Hansel. Gretel stated that Hansel goes under a different name.

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    • Any news on who any witches are?

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      Any news on who any witches are?

      Nope. Hopefully it gets covered later.

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    • Nope. They completely baited us into thinking Gretel might join, and then... dead.

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    • Honestly getting concerned they might not even reveal who all eight witches are...There's only two (well, assuming Leota is a witch) left! Really hoping they're saving one for Oz if you know what I mean...

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      Any news on who any witches are?

      Nope. Hopefully it gets covered later.

      As I stated in another thread, I think next episode will reveal an underwater or island-dwelling Coven Witch.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      Any news on who any witches are?
      Nope. Hopefully it gets covered later.
      As I stated in another thread, I think next episode will reveal an underwater or island-dwelling Coven Witch.

      Maybe we'll get a siren.

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    • I'm really starting to wonder if all the coven witches even get covered. We are running out of time to see them in FBs or present day.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: I'm really starting to wonder if all the coven witches even get covered. We are running out of time to see them in FBs or present day.

      Simple. I think next episode will almost certainly involve an underwater Coven Witch that they encounter on their adventure. Next episode we will get Mombi. And the last witch will be revealed after that.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: I'm really starting to wonder if all the coven witches even get covered. We are running out of time to see them in FBs or present day.

      Simple. I think next episode will almost certainly involve an underwater Coven Witch that they encounter on their adventure. Next episode we will get Mombi. And the last witch will be revealed after that.

      The last witch could also be another garden nymph like Gothel. We at least know there is another witch we're missing, unless they were just a stand in (referring to that one picture of a girl in the robe). 

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    • I’m honestly annoyed that the Coven was pitched as the main story and has only been covered twice

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    • Well, I guess this was fun for the two episodes it essentialy was in.

      But guys, I did telk you that Ana was never in the coven was a tool for a sacrifice, so...let's get her off that page.

      At least we know that there were at least a dozen or so witches in NFTL and Gothel did initiation.

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    • It was never a main storyline though, it was teased as a mystery but most of the witches were always co-stars, I even forgot we had that Leota cameo. There are still Breadcrumbs, Chosen and Flower Child for potential witches.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      It was never a main storyline though, it was teased as a mystery but most of the witches were always co-stars, I even forgot we had that Leota cameo. There are still Breadcrumbs, Chosen and Flower Child for potential witches.

      Noone expected major players, just that they'd be revealed. Gothel is the main and Facilier was expected. We just like to fill in gaps.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      It was never a main storyline though, it was teased as a mystery but most of the witches were always co-stars, I even forgot we had that Leota cameo. There are still Breadcrumbs, Chosen and Flower Child for potential witches.

      The Guardian could have a witch as well. Rumple and/or Alice could run into one of them.

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    • I'm wondering when Gothel actually started to form a coven. She seems quite picky, and prior to Drizella joining, she only had at most five of the eight (Drizella was next, then she tried to get Leota which occurs after Drizella joining...I think-depends when Zelena came, and then Regina in 710). 

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    • Leroiblanc wrote: I'm wondering when Gothel actually started to form a coven.

      I guess we’ll never find out, but we might get an inkling of an idea in 719.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      At least we know that there were at least a dozen or so witches in NFTL and Gothel did initiation.

      Speaking of initiation, doesn't it appear like you have to kill a sisterly figure to join. I mean Drizella did it to Gretel, and Gothel was trying to influence Ana to kill Drizella. Is it just a coincidence or do you think all the witches have had to kill somebody in order to gain memebership?

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    • OUAT: The Darkness wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      At least we know that there were at least a dozen or so witches in NFTL and Gothel did initiation.

      Speaking of initiation, doesn't it appear like you have to kill a sisterly figure to join. I mean Drizella did it to Gretel, and Gothel was trying to influence Ana to kill Drizella. Is it just a coincidence or do you think all the witches have had to kill somebody in order to gain memebership?

      In this case, it was just because Gothel only wanted one recruit. 

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    • The Guardian isn’t a recruit as they lose their magic if they go dark. Plus, Gothel wanted it to happen to absorb Ana’s “Guardian” magic.

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    • Thinking about this more, we don't even have to see the witches, either Gothel/Eloise or Hansel/Jack/Nick should know who all the witches are, so they could just reveal in dialog to someone.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Thinking about this more, we don't even have to see the witches, either Gothel/Eloise or Hansel/Jack/Nick should know who all the witches are, so they could just reveal in dialog to someone.

      But-but glorious witch outfits :(((

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Thinking about this more, we don't even have to see the witches, either Gothel/Eloise or Hansel/Jack/Nick should know who all the witches are, so they could just reveal in dialog to someone.
      But-but glorious witch outfits :(((

      Yeah, I'm not saying I'd prefer this to actually seeing them, but if our options are get them revealed in dialog, or don't have them revealed at all, I'd take the dialog.

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    • As someone said the writers promised that the witches would be iconic characters and so far it's not that true so I'm still hoping to see them. Plus Jack has to find another target since Drizella left town. I like the idea of an underwater witch btw...

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    • I don’t know why they wouldn’t show the last two witches.

      They don’t have to show both NEF and HH forms, but at least on or the other. There’s no reason to leave us hanging.

      For their NEF counterparts, dialog will suffice. My issue with Andrea Sage is the writers hit us over the head heavily all the time but we haven’t figured who she was.

      I they pick a water locked Witch, I say Calypso as in the Titaness/Goddess/Nymph. Could even tie in Pirates of the Caribbean partially.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      I don’t know why they wouldn’t show the last two witches.

      They don’t have to show both NEF and HH forms, but at least on or the other. There’s no reason to leave us hanging.

      For their NEF counterparts, dialog will suffice. My issue with Andrea Sage is the writers hit us over the head heavily all the time but we haven’t figured who she was.

      I they pick a water locked Witch, I say Calypso as in the Titaness/Goddess/Nymph. Could even tie in Pirates of the Caribbean partially.

      I know, like in the last episode when Eloise is talking to Ivy, all she had to say instead of "two are already dead" (or whatever she said), Eloise could just as easily said "Blindy and [insert Sage's NEF counterpart here] are already dead."

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    • OUAT: The Darkness wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      I don’t know why they wouldn’t show the last two witches.

      They don’t have to show both NEF and HH forms, but at least on or the other. There’s no reason to leave us hanging.

      For their NEF counterparts, dialog will suffice. My issue with Andrea Sage is the writers hit us over the head heavily all the time but we haven’t figured who she was.

      I they pick a water locked Witch, I say Calypso as in the Titaness/Goddess/Nymph. Could even tie in Pirates of the Caribbean partially.

      I know, like in the last episode when Eloise is talking to Ivy, all she had to say instead of "two are already dead" (or whatever she said), Eloise could just as easily said "Blindy and [insert Sage's NEF counterpart here] are already dead."

      I won’t be fair to the writers on the payoff but it’s possible it was in one of the seemingly numerous deleted scenes. (Like in 7x15, Ana was randomly free and wandering around but we missed context as their scene was cut from 7x14. I think.)

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      OUAT: The Darkness wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      I don’t know why they wouldn’t show the last two witches.

      They don’t have to show both NEF and HH forms, but at least on or the other. There’s no reason to leave us hanging.

      For their NEF counterparts, dialog will suffice. My issue with Andrea Sage is the writers hit us over the head heavily all the time but we haven’t figured who she was.

      I they pick a water locked Witch, I say Calypso as in the Titaness/Goddess/Nymph. Could even tie in Pirates of the Caribbean partially.

      I know, like in the last episode when Eloise is talking to Ivy, all she had to say instead of "two are already dead" (or whatever she said), Eloise could just as easily said "Blindy and [insert Sage's NEF counterpart here] are already dead."
      I won’t be fair to the writers on the payoff but it’s possible it was in one of the seemingly numerous deleted scenes. (Like in 7x15, Ana was randomly free and wandering around but we missed context as their scene was cut from 7x14. I think.)

      Yeah. I noticed that too because last time we saw Ana she was with Eloise and next thing we know, she's wandering the streets of Seattle. 

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    • Predictions?

      16: Calypso (Either Greek myth, or POTC)

      17: Mombi

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    • I thought about them using Tia Dalma^ She was a villain certain material so it would work.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Predictions?

      16: Calypso (Either Greek myth, or POTC)

      17: Mombi

      POTC?

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    • OUAT: The Darkness wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Predictions?

      16: Calypso (Either Greek myth, or POTC)

      17: Mombi

      POTC?

      Never mind. Pirates of the Caribbean.

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    • Added LuAnne Hoffs-Drawlar to Leota, though it could be another or a red herring, but the “?” is there to note speculation.

      Two witches left and a Witch Killer our to get them.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Two witches left and a Witch Killer our to get them.

      And only seven episodes before the end of the series.
      BTW at the end of 7x11 Gothel said she would search for the other witches in HH but now someone is killing them and she doesn't seem to give a damn X)

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    • CaptainCobra wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Two witches left and a Witch Killer our to get them.

      And only seven episodes before the end of the series.
      BTW at the end of 7x11 Gothel said she would search for the other witches in HH but now someone is killing them and she doesn't seem to give a damn X)

      Yeah, I discussed that in another thread. Some cut scenes and stuff must have gave more into her reasoning. After all, Gothel didn’t appear to even consider/care that she would be targeted.

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    • So far the non main character witches have been uninspired and boring...Leota, who I would have thought to be the least interesting has so far proved to be the most interesting.

      Here's hoping that the last two are amazing or at least worth watching. Lots of potential with Mombi (or another Oz witch) Still many options for the other one too. 

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    • Saintfighteraqua wrote: So far the non main character witches have been uninspired and boring...Leota, who I would have thought to be the least interesting has so far proved to be the most interesting.

      Here's hoping that the last two are amazing or at least worth watching. Lots of potential with Mombi (or another Oz witch) Still many options for the other one too. 

      Andrea and Hilda were pretty cool for the few scenes were in. Remember that we saw Leota and not her HH counterpart.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Saintfighteraqua wrote: So far the non main character witches have been uninspired and boring...Leota, who I would have thought to be the least interesting has so far proved to be the most interesting.

      Here's hoping that the last two are amazing or at least worth watching. Lots of potential with Mombi (or another Oz witch) Still many options for the other one too. 

      Andrea and Hilda were pretty cool for the few scenes were in. Remember that we saw Leota and not her HH counterpart.

      Because she was already dead? I thought the coven may have resurrected Leota because she was alive during 7x10's flashback. Dunno where she is in HH.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Saintfighteraqua wrote: So far the non main character witches have been uninspired and boring...Leota, who I would have thought to be the least interesting has so far proved to be the most interesting.

      Here's hoping that the last two are amazing or at least worth watching. Lots of potential with Mombi (or another Oz witch) Still many options for the other one too. 

      Andrea and Hilda were pretty cool for the few scenes were in. Remember that we saw Leota and not her HH counterpart.

      Because she was already dead? I thought the coven may have resurrected Leota because she was alive during 7x10's flashback. Dunno where she is in HH.

      Oh no, I was saying why Leota seemed more cool, but that was due to seeing her original self, whereas seeing a doctor and a baker isn’t as brunch as witches.

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    • I would love the last two were lady macbeth and Morgana... I guess Gothel doesn't give a damn for being threatened either because she is in a team with the killer (remember she knows about the candies sent to the other witches) or simply because she cannot die: Gothel is mother nature after all.

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    • Bottondoro wrote: I would love the last two were lady macbeth and Morgana... I guess Gothel doesn't give a damn for being threatened either because she is in a team with the killer (remember she knows about the candies sent to the other witches) or simply because she cannot die: Gothel is mother nature after all.

      Last three.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Bottondoro wrote: I would love the last two were lady macbeth and Morgana... I guess Gothel doesn't give a damn for being threatened either because she is in a team with the killer (remember she knows about the candies sent to the other witches) or simply because she cannot die: Gothel is mother nature after all.

      Last three.

      Only two witches have not been seen in either HH or NEF though.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Saintfighteraqua wrote: So far the non main character witches have been uninspired and boring...Leota, who I would have thought to be the least interesting has so far proved to be the most interesting.

      Here's hoping that the last two are amazing or at least worth watching. Lots of potential with Mombi (or another Oz witch) Still many options for the other one too. 

      Andrea and Hilda were pretty cool for the few scenes were in. Remember that we saw Leota and not her HH counterpart.

      Because she was already dead? I thought the coven may have resurrected Leota because she was alive during 7x10's flashback. Dunno where she is in HH.

      Oh no, I was saying why Leota seemed more cool, but that was due to seeing her original self, whereas seeing a doctor and a baker isn’t as brunch as witches.

      The actresses were fine and all, I wanted to see more of them to be honest. The Blind Witch was one of those characters who seemed intriguing...but she was still a version of a witch we've already seen.  While Leota was bizarre and new, even if she was an odd choice.

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    • I just thought of something: Do you guys think maybe Nick will reveal their identities Friday when he (presumably) reveals his identity as the Candy Killer. If he is indeed Hansel and Hilda really was his witch then I feel like it will get brought up by him and maybe he will slip and say who Sage is.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: I just thought of something: Do you guys think maybe Nick will reveal their identities Friday when he (presumably) reveals his identity as the Candy Killer. If he is indeed Hansel and Hilda really was his witch then I feel like it will get brought up by him and maybe he will slip and say who Sage is.

      Maybe, but it’s almost higher that it’ll be one of those trivia points where they show Nick’s scribbles (some that I deciphered on the Breadcrumbs page) and it’ll have some in there.

      So, it might have something like Blind Witch scratched out, then lists Evil stepsister and others.

      One can hope!

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote: I just thought of something: Do you guys think maybe Nick will reveal their identities Friday when he (presumably) reveals his identity as the Candy Killer. If he is indeed Hansel and Hilda really was his witch then I feel like it will get brought up by him and maybe he will slip and say who Sage is.

      Maybe, but it’s almost higher that it’ll be one of those trivia points where they show Nick’s scribbles (some that I deciphered on the Breadcrumbs page) and it’ll have some in there.

      So, it might have something like Blind Witch scratched out, then lists Evil stepsister and others.

      One can hope!

      What scribbles are you talking about? I’d even accept this, i just want them revealed😬

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote: I just thought of something: Do you guys think maybe Nick will reveal their identities Friday when he (presumably) reveals his identity as the Candy Killer. If he is indeed Hansel and Hilda really was his witch then I feel like it will get brought up by him and maybe he will slip and say who Sage is.

      Maybe, but it’s almost higher that it’ll be one of those trivia points where they show Nick’s scribbles (some that I deciphered on the Breadcrumbs page) and it’ll have some in there.

      So, it might have something like Blind Witch scratched out, then lists Evil stepsister and others.

      One can hope!

      What scribbles are you talking about? I’d even accept this, i just want them revealed😬

      If you watch the promo, on the page of Henry's book with the painting/picture of the boat, there is writing in red ink.

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    • Honestly... I think we should prepare ourselves that they won't reveal all of them...

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    • Yeah... But we can hope...

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Honestly... I think we should prepare ourselves that they won't reveal all of them...

      I want to at least find out Sage's identity. 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:
      Honestly... I think we should prepare ourselves that they won't reveal all of them...

      I want to at least find out Sage's identity. 

      Same here.

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    • I think we'll get the last two, even if they are listed in passing.

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    • Eskaver wrote: I think we'll get the last two, even if they are listed in passing.

      Three

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: I think we'll get the last two, even if they are listed in passing.

      Three

      1. Mother Gothel
      2. Madame Leota
      3. Andrea Sage
      4. Hilda the Blind Witch
      5. Drizella ---> Anastasia
      6. Regina Mills (Forced)
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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: I think we'll get the last two, even if they are listed in passing.

      Three

      As RedCoat explained above, 2 is correct because we already know who 6 of them are.

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    • It would be two if we argued Regina’s involvement, but given all of the recent circumstances with the witches I don’t think we should. I’m pretty sure she was the Eighth Member.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: It would be two if we argued Regina’s involvement, but given all of the recent circumstances with the witches I don’t think we should. I’m pretty sure she was the Eighth Member.

      Yeah, for intents and purpose, Regina makes eight.

      But that’s a topic on another thread.

      I relooked over stuff and I think unless we are just lucky and they have been uncredited, we won’t likely get the last two witches, let alone Andrea Sage hints (because we must be missing something unless she is somehow a villainous Dr. Dolittle).

      I don’t think Gothel is in 7x16 and 17, which doesn’t mean much, but it’s really banking on onscreen hints and clues by Nick or happenstance. Mombi isn’t likely, but more than likely than a witch in 16.

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    • Looks like we are getting Hilda Braeburn in her fur coat goodness in 17.

      So, it doesn’t look like there’s any Mombi. So, we probably traded a chance at Mombi for a look at Witch Hilda, so—-better than nothing!

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote: It would be two if we argued Regina’s involvement, but given all of the recent circumstances with the witches I don’t think we should. I’m pretty sure she was the Eighth Member.

      I don’t think Gothel is in 7x16 and 17

      She isn't. Emma confirmed.

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    • Now that we know that what seems like Hilda is returning and Jack is mentioning the witches, do you think he will reveal Sage's identity tonight or next week sometime?

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      Now that we know that what seems like Hilda is returning and Jack is mentioning the witches, do you think he will reveal Sage's identity tonight or next week sometime?

      I don't think so. Gothel's next appearance is 718, and that's a Rumple centric. 719 is Gothel's centric, but it is flashbacks before the Coven so i dunno...

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      Now that we know that what seems like Hilda is returning and Jack is mentioning the witches, do you think he will reveal Sage's identity tonight or next week sometime?

      I don't think so. Gothel's next appearance is 718, and that's a Rumple centric. 719 is Gothel's centric, but it is flashbacks before the Coven so i dunno...

      I just feel like the way Nick was like "the witch who hurt me the most" (in reference to Zelena) that maybe he will mention the witches he has already murdered.

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    • Well, in case it won’t be recognized by then, I will search through all of Nick’s notes and hints and clues and present them tomorrow in case they aren’t obvious.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Well, in case it won’t be recognized by then, I will search through all of Nick’s notes and hints and clues and present them tomorrow in case they aren’t obvious.

      I'm seriously praying we get it tonight because I am so tired of getting all excited and then getting nothing and then waiting a whole week again.

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    • Gothel ask ed Zelina to John the coven in NEF and in HH. Candies are for Zelina and Ruber = Robin = Margot. In Wikipedia since months we had a female witch named Ruber in the coven of the eight. Was it right?!? I hadn't trust it.

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    • Bottondoro wrote: Gothel ask ed Zelina to John the coven in NEF and in HH. Candies are for Zelina and Ruber = Robin = Margot. In Wikipedia since months we had a female witch named Ruber in the coven of the eight. Was it right?!? I hadn't trust it.

      Please edit for clarity as it is pretty incomprehensible and hard to understand.

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    • Any news so far? I wish I could watch it live but it’s so hard on Friday’s. I’m usually never home.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: Any news so far? I wish I could watch it live but it’s so hard on Friday’s. I’m usually never home.

      Jack is confirmed to be Hansel.

      We could read his notes on the book; but that was too fast. We might have to double check them.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote: Any news so far? I wish I could watch it live but it’s so hard on Friday’s. I’m usually never home.

      Jack is confirmed to be Hansel.

      We could read his notes on the book; but that was too fast. We might have to double check them.

      What about the flashbacks? any cliffhanger? Samdi and Regina? what happened to Smee and Blackbeard? were they real or were they from the WR?

      Sorry for all those questions, i'm very intrigued and I'm not from the USA. I'm from South America and the season will be uploaded in September :P

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    • Maybe they’ll discuss them in the 10 minutes or the notes will tell us.

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    • New list

      1. Gothel

      2. Drizella

      3. Dr. Sage

      4. Leota

      5. Hilda Blind Witch

      6. Wish Zelena

      7. Wish Evil Queen

      8. CGI creation

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    • So nothing on Doc Sage?

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    • No. There was a magical whirlpool that I thought could be Charybdis, a Greek nymph who was transformed into a whirlpool. Thought she might be a coven member... Nope!

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: So nothing on Doc Sage?

      No, because the writers are terrible at wrapping up storylines.

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    • Did we see anything in Nick’s book that might tell us who she is?

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    • Not too. Sure. We're going to need screenshots.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      Did we see anything in Nick’s book that might tell us who she is?

      Book stuff was way too fast, it will have to be screencapped, but I wouldn't hold my breath, as they didn't seem to make a point of stopping at any place that seemed to be about a witch. Two important parts were the drawing of the Jolly Roger, to lead into a FB, and the Hansel and Gretel story, to reveal the killer is Hansel (well, thinks he is, to cursed Henry).

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    • What if Doctor Sage is Madame Leota? I know they are both played by different actresses, but it could be a way to mask her identity. According to her wiki page, she regained her corporeal form before the spell was cast, so she was probably cursed.

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    • But if that happens, we'll only have one less known witch... 

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    • Well, Adam did say that not all questions would be answered; she could be Leota and they just don't answer the Coven question.

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    • HarryPotterRules1 wrote: Well, Adam did say that not all questions would be answered; she could be Leota and they just don't answer the Coven question.

      I’ll go with this theory unless we find out what happened to Leota. Alternatively, we may see Sage’s identity in the next episode. They specifically showed Sage buying baked goods from Hilda and say her test results came back good. Maybe pre-cursed Sage helped the Blind Witch in the past as well.

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    • Frieza1500 wrote:

      HarryPotterRules1 wrote: Well, Adam did say that not all questions would be answered; she could be Leota and they just don't answer the Coven question.

      I’ll go with this theory unless we find out what happened to Leota. Alternatively, we may see Sage’s identity in the next episode. They specifically showed Sage buying baked goods from Hilda and say her test results came back good. Maybe pre-cursed Sage helped the Blind Witch in the past as well.

      It would make sense as it seems like Hansel is only going after those directly related to what happened to him. Blind Witch, who wanted to eat them; Zelena, we will find why next episode; Drizella, killed Gretel; so maybe Sage is somehow related to what happened to Hansel?

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    • Too bad, looks like Mombi won't be seen after all. But I'm so confused now, more than ever by the timeline, Wish Realm etc. 

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    • Updated list of guesses:

      Random extras wearing hoods

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    • Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      Too bad, looks like Mombi won't be seen after all. But I'm so confused now, more than ever by the timeline, Wish Realm etc. 

      Perhaps the Blind Witch is Mombi? At this point my guesses are getting more and more desperate

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Bottondoro wrote: Gothel asked Zelina to join the coven in new enchanted forest and in Hyperion Heights. Candy boxes are for Zelina (we've corfirmed that now in 7x16) and Ruber (= Robin = Margot). In Wikipedia since months we had a female witch named Ruber in the coven of the eight. Was it right?!? I didn't trust it.

      Please edit for clarity as it is pretty incomprehensible and hard to understand.

      I am sorry, damned t9 !

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    • The book doesn't offer any clues. I'll have to go more in depth, but a lot was Nick's scribbles about whatever story was on the page. Pretty much, those stories don't lok to involve a witch, barring his story, of course.

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    • AnimationFan18 wrote:

      Frieza1500 wrote:

      HarryPotterRules1 wrote: Well, Adam did say that not all questions would be answered; she could be Leota and they just don't answer the Coven question.

      I’ll go with this theory unless we find out what happened to Leota. Alternatively, we may see Sage’s identity in the next episode. They specifically showed Sage buying baked goods from Hilda and say her test results came back good. Maybe pre-cursed Sage helped the Blind Witch in the past as well.

      It would make sense as it seems like Hansel is only going after those directly related to what happened to him. Blind Witch, who wanted to eat them; Zelena, we will find why next episode; Drizella, killed Gretel; so maybe Sage is somehow related to what happened to Hansel?

      I never even considered that Hansel was only targeting witches related to what happened to him and Greta. He might not be trying to take down the entire coven, like I thought, but just the witches that have directly hurt him.

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    • Random idea:

      Doctor Sage is Gretel and Jack's stepmother. Their stepmother could have magic. She could of been cruel to them and that's why Nick wants to kill her along with Zelena and Hilda (The witches that ruined his life) and Ivy (Killed Gretel).

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    • Nick Branson wrote:
      Random idea:

      Doctor Sage is Gretel and Jack's stepmother. Their stepmother could have magic. She could of been cruel to them and that's why Nick wants to kill her along with Zelena and Hilda (The witches that ruined his life) and Ivy (Killed Gretel).

      That's cool, and makes sense.

      And I'd believe that from someone called Nick Branson

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    • Nick Branson wrote: Random idea:

      Doctor Sage is Gretel and Jack's stepmother. Their stepmother could have magic. She could of been cruel to them and that's why Nick wants to kill her along with Zelena and Hilda (The witches that ruined his life) and Ivy (Killed Gretel).

      I never thought of this but it could be. Did the stepmother ever mention tea cakes?

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:

      Nick Branson wrote: Random idea:

      Doctor Sage is Gretel and Jack's stepmother. Their stepmother could have magic. She could of been cruel to them and that's why Nick wants to kill her along with Zelena and Hilda (The witches that ruined his life) and Ivy (Killed Gretel).

      I never thought of this but it could be. Did the stepmother ever mention tea cakes?

      The stepmother usually just wants to get rid of Hansel and Gretel. She doesn't really have many other traits.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote:

      Nick Branson wrote: Random idea:

      Doctor Sage is Gretel and Jack's stepmother. Their stepmother could have magic. She could of been cruel to them and that's why Nick wants to kill her along with Zelena and Hilda (The witches that ruined his life) and Ivy (Killed Gretel).

      I never thought of this but it could be. Did the stepmother ever mention tea cakes?

      The stepmother usually just wants to get rid of Hansel and Gretel. She doesn't really have many other traits.

      It could always add more on her. The idea is unlikely but could happen since Hansel is targeting people that hurt him and Gretel and I dont think that Hansel took a trip to New Wonderland and met the dutchess although it could still happen.

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    • We don’t know all his motives as it looks to he heavily focused on the Coven plus Zelena.

      I doubt Sage would be related to Gretel and Hansel as that has too many witches in one story. Maybe, but I doubt it.

      Hopefully we get at least a passing reference. Even f we don’t get the last two, Dr. Sage has to be someone if not Dr. Dolittle.

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    • Imagine if she legit ends up being Dr. Doolittle or Dr. Strange XD I mean we all know that was just a joke but Disney does own Fox and Marvel don't they? XD :P

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      I doubt Sage would be related to Gretel and Hansel as that has too many witches in one story. Maybe, but I doubt it.

      Well they made the miller's daughter, the miller's daughter's baby and Rumplestiltskin all have magic, and they're from the same fairytale, so I wouldn't be so doubtful :P

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    • The Chipped Cup wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      I doubt Sage would be related to Gretel and Hansel as that has too many witches in one story. Maybe, but I doubt it.

      Well they made the miller's daughter, the miller's daughter's baby and Rumplestiltskin all have magic, and they're from the same fairytale, so I wouldn't be so doubtful :P

      That’s because they are also other characters. We really don’t have the time to explore random stepmother’s transformation into the old hag in the show or something.

      As I said, possible, but I doubt it.

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    • Well Chilton is officially returning as the Blind Witch so maybe the storyline wasn’t as forgotten as we thought. I still want Nisreen/Sage though.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      Well Chilton is officially returning as the Blind Witch so maybe the storyline wasn’t as forgotten as we thought. I still want Nisreen/Sage though.

      Well, in a few hours we're getting the press release, so let's wait.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      Well Chilton is officially returning as the Blind Witch so maybe the storyline wasn’t as forgotten as we thought. I still want Nisreen/Sage though.

      Well, in a few hours we're getting the press release, so let's wait.

      Just Hilda. Looks cool even if she lives in Wonka’s factory.

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    • Really bad news for this thread guys... Dr. Sage isn’t anyone. Just talked to Jane about it. https://twitter.com/janeespenson/status/983586660276363265?s=21

      I was soooo excited to find out who she was.

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    • Boy this whole coven thing is turning out to be a mess

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: Really bad news for this thread guys... Dr. Sage isn’t anyone. Just talked to Jane about it. https://twitter.com/janeespenson/status/983586660276363265?s=21

      I was soooo excited to find out who she was.

      It’s good news that Jane responded and that we can move on.

      The bad news is that it is disappointing and such a waste. Why as “I wonder who Lucy thinks she is!” when she isn’t anyone and she’s the first witch to appear besides Ivy and Eloise. Not to mention that she’s also our only POC witch (Gothel, Drizzy, Hilda, and maybe Leota, doesn’t scream diverse).

      Like I can see not getting to see all the NEF versions of the witches and to not name them (with a person’s name). But I would think they would have ideas from what story they were in.

      Can we even say that Leota actually joined the Coven? Maybe Luanne in HH isn’t even Leota but some nobody. I mean, minor witch seems odd when it appeared that Gothel was going after strong witches.

      ABC did do the promo and they aren’t really correct, so I can’t blame the writers for that. However, Adam and Eddy gave the impression that we would know who they are, even if we wouldn’t necessarily be given all of them in any capacity.

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    • To add, so that I don’t write an entire essay...

      It means that there were no clues (which could be foreseeable as the writers usually bash us over the head).

      We won’t see/know all the witches.

      They probably didn’t go beyond Hilda. All they did was:

      We got our lore: Gothel and Blind Witch (because we want to reference season 1!)

      We got out Disney: Leota, Drizella....maybe Leota

      Umm? We need more deaths so, let’s use them as no distinct witches because we already got all that we need.

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    • Alright, so Sage is generic healer witch. XD

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      Really bad news for this thread guys... Dr. Sage isn’t anyone. Just talked to Jane about it. https://twitter.com/janeespenson/status/983586660276363265?s=21

      I was soooo excited to find out who she was.

      This coven thing had so much potential but turned out to be so dissapoiting. "A minor witch, presumably a supporting character in someone’s story." - seriously?! So she's basically anyone. I remember the creators said that all witches are in Hyperion Heights and I expected we to find out at least their personalities, but nope. Just unknown characters in cloaks used for background and only Hilda will get more attention... Shame.

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    • I asked her whether Leota actually joined since we only saw her recruitment and whether or not Regina would be the eighth member but she said she lost count and wasn’t sure.

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    • I wish all of the writers would understand that most of us care more about things like that than the main plot line.

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    • Honestly, who's really surprised that it'd end like this?

      We might still get something in the next ep or Gothel's centric... A mention or even a list with some names... But that's all. And even that, I don't really believe it x)

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    • They could've spent some minutes to reveal a coven member in each episode, this way we probably would know all witches by now. But nope, instead we get boring episodes like the last one. They even didn't had to show all of the witches in NEF, at least Hyperion Heights personas and real fairytale names would be enough.

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    • Lady Junky wrote: Honestly, who's really surprised that it'd end like this?

      We might still get something in the next ep or Gothel's centric... A mention or even a list with some names... But that's all. And even that, I don't really believe it x)

      I took a course called Hope 101 with Professor Blanchard and sadly, it seems like ai wasted my money.

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    • I think we hyped the coven storyline up too much, especially with the three month hiatus. Though, the way that things are I wish that they didn’t include the coven storyline at all and used this time to develop all of the other characters.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote: Honestly, who's really surprised that it'd end like this?

      We might still get something in the next ep or Gothel's centric... A mention or even a list with some names... But that's all. And even that, I don't really believe it x)

      I took a course called Hope 101 with Professor Blanchard and sadly, it seems like ai wasted my money.

      You should ask for a refund D:

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    • TheRose123 wrote: I think we hyped the coven storyline up too much, especially with the three month hiatus. Though, the way that things are I wish that they didn’t include the coven storyline at all and used this time to develop all of the other characters.

      What Coven storyline? 7B hasn’t had a Coven storyline. Candy Killer storyline? Sure, but I don’t think we really saw much of Eloise reuniting the old gang together.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      TheRose123 wrote: I think we hyped the coven storyline up too much, especially with the three month hiatus. Though, the way that things are I wish that they didn’t include the coven storyline at all and used this time to develop all of the other characters.

      What Coven storyline? 7B hasn’t had a Coven storyline. Candy Killer storyline? Sure, but I don’t think we really saw much of Eloise reuniting the old gang together.

      That's quite disappointing after all the efforts she made to create the Coven, plus the promise to reunite its member at the end of 7x10... And her allies must have good reasons to cast the Dark curse but now we might never find out :(

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    • I don’t really think it was our fault for hyping it though. Adam and Eddy teased this as 7b’s primary plot line. They said all of the witches are in Hyperion Heights and Gothel would be trying to wake them up. They said they were all iconic Disney and folklore witches. Yet all we’ve gotten is Hilda and maybe Leota since Sage won’t get revealed and Leota is undetermined.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: I don’t really think it was our fault for hyping it though. Adam and Eddy teased this as 7b’s primary plot line. They said all of the witches are in Hyperion Heights and Gothel would be trying to wake them up. They said they were all iconic Disney and folklore witches. Yet all we’ve gotten is Hilda and maybe Leota since Sage won’t get revealed and Leota is undetermined.


      EXACTLY

      And it was said this season would be a witches vs witches war

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      EXACTLY

      And it was said this season would be a witches vs witches war

      No, that was ABC and I’m certain the people that do the promo don’t watch the show (necessarily).

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    • Not surprised at all... Sad, but not surprised. 

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      I don’t really think it was our fault for hyping it though. Adam and Eddy teased this as 7b’s primary plot line. They said all of the witches are in Hyperion Heights and Gothel would be trying to wake them up. They said they were all iconic Disney and folklore witches. Yet all we’ve gotten is Hilda and maybe Leota since Sage won’t get revealed and Leota is undetermined.

      Yeah, I wasn't expecting the witches to be revealed until Adam and Eddy said they were iconic witches from Disney or folklore. But the way they said it, it seemed like all of them would be confirmed to be someone. I guess they meant some of the witches will be iconic witches from Disney (Leota) or folklore (Blind Witch).

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      I don’t really think it was our fault for hyping it though. Adam and Eddy teased this as 7b’s primary plot line. They said all of the witches are in Hyperion Heights and Gothel would be trying to wake them up. They said they were all iconic Disney and folklore witches. Yet all we’ve gotten is Hilda and maybe Leota since Sage won’t get revealed and Leota is undetermined.
      Yeah, I wasn't expecting the witches to be revealed until Adam and Eddy said they were iconic witches from Disney or folklore. But the way they said it, it seemed like all of them would be confirmed to be someone. I guess they meant some of the witches will be iconic witches from Disney (Leota) or folklore (Blind Witch).

      I was hoping for Morgan Le Fay, but i guess OUAT just wasted the Camelot storyline. 

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    • At this point I hope Nick is going to kill someone else, so that I get at least the faces of the two remaining witches.........

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    • seriously, I think that some of our questions may have an answer in the deleted scenes (perhaps)

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    • I doubt deleted scenes will have much besides more Gothel (which is sad for Gothel).

      Nick will likely end in 17 and Eloise may just randomly pop up with seven other women in hoods and it’ll never be explained. (Or maybe just two, but still not explained or shown in any detail.)

      It could be that Eloise gained access to the hairif those fallen witches for a spell...so that she can still access them/their magic without them actually being there or alive.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Nick will likely end in 17 and Eloise may just randomly pop up with seven other women in hoods and it’ll never be explained. (Or maybe just two, but still not explained or shown in any detail.)

      Emma said she won't be in 17 or 18, her backstory is 19 and she exits in 20. So I don't know what 18 will be about.

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    • Was Gretel the blonde in the woods with Emma? Or do we still possibly have a blond witch?

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Nick will likely end in 17 and Eloise may just randomly pop up with seven other women in hoods and it’ll never be explained. (Or maybe just two, but still not explained or shown in any detail.)

      Emma said she won't be in 17 or 18, her backstory is 19 and she exits in 20. So I don't know what 18 will be about.

      I meant that eloise would pop up in 19/20with new witches.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: Was Gretel the blonde in the woods with Emma? Or do we still possibly have a blond witch?

      There was a lot of spec, but nope, just Gretel, Drizzy, and Gothel. That was from Sisterhood’s filming.

      There has been a pic that shows a hooded HH witch (most likely) but that’s 19/20.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote: Was Gretel the blonde in the woods with Emma? Or do we still possibly have a blond witch?

      There has been a pic that shows a hooded HH witch (most likely) but that’s 19/20.

      Do you have a link?

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote: Was Gretel the blonde in the woods with Emma? Or do we still possibly have a blond witch?

      There was a lot of spec, but nope, just Gretel, Drizzy, and Gothel. That was from Sisterhood’s filming.

      There has been a pic that shows a hooded HH witch (most likely) but that’s 19/20.

      We also have a blonde with Gothel in a video Emma shot during 719, but she shouldn't be a coven witch, based on when that FB takes place.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote: Was Gretel the blonde in the woods with Emma? Or do we still possibly have a blond witch?

      There was a lot of spec, but nope, just Gretel, Drizzy, and Gothel. That was from Sisterhood’s filming.

      There has been a pic that shows a hooded HH witch (most likely) but that’s 19/20.

      We also have a blonde with Gothel in a video Emma shot during 719, but she shouldn't be a coven witch, based on when that FB takes place.

      Yes, that blonde which's figurine was similar to Anastasia from Wonderland?

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote: Was Gretel the blonde in the woods with Emma? Or do we still possibly have a blond witch?

      There was a lot of spec, but nope, just Gretel, Drizzy, and Gothel. That was from Sisterhood’s filming.

      There has been a pic that shows a hooded HH witch (most likely) but that’s 19/20.

      We also have a blonde with Gothel in a video Emma shot during 719, but she shouldn't be a coven witch, based on when that FB takes place.
      Yes, that blonde which's figurine was similar to Anastasia from Wonderland?

      Others thought so. I thought she was just a blonde in a ballgown, which is common of royals and other nobility in FTL/NFTL, so I didn't specifically think she looked like Red Queen Ana.

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    • Yeah this is the blonde I am talking about. The one filming at night with Emma and that cabin I think it was?

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    • I'd been hopeful we'd get Mombi based on Stannum's line in his episode that he'd been cursed by the Wicked Witch of the North. In the books and most versions of the story in general, the Wicked Witch of the East curses the Tin Woodman. Mombi is the Wicked Witch of the North, so I was hoping that was a clue she was going to show up. Maybe it was just a good, after all. I haven't completely given up hope, but it's looking unlikely that the other witches will have much more of a showing than the previous ones.

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    • I asked him about Leota and Regina in the coven and also if Sage and the remaining witches would be revealed. I know Jane said she was just a minor witch, but I’m praying Jane missed some little detail. Unlikely, but Once is about hope, right? 😊

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    • Well, Regina was just the pawn to be the eighth. She legit “joined” at the last second before it was over.

      Anyway, Sage probably is just a minor witch from some story, but I’m guessing we might learn the origins at least of this Coven idea in 7x19.

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    • Interesting. Hopefully we find out about the other witches, even if we never find out who Sage is.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      1. Eloise Gardener (Mother Gothel): A powerful Woodland Nymph

      Did I miss something? When did we find out she is a nymph?

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    • The Chipped Cup wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      1. Eloise Gardener (Mother Gothel): A powerful Woodland Nymph

      Did I miss something? When did we find out she is a nymph?

      To be revealed in 719. We found out through an interview/article.

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    • I feel like the Coven is now just a plot device for the Candy Killer storyline :/

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    • KillianWeasley wrote: I feel like the Coven is now just a plot device for the Candy Killer storyline :/

      I think it’s filler. I feel that the CK storyline is ending in 17.

      Without the Coven the CK couldn’t kill anyone with the semblance of relevance (although it makes less sense as everyone targeted were members, but Zelena isn’t.) And with no CK storyline it would be dull. However; the Coven could have been something to revisit some stories (but I guess we got Hilda for that). Could have just had less witches is they weren’t going to show them all.

      Like 5 members could have made a pentagram, 7 has the seventh son sort of sound, etc.

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    • I still want Baba Yaga. In Vassilissa there is a story similar to cinderella's, a white knight and the fire too. We also have the little doll. Remember Beatrice?

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    • Do you guys think maybe Hilda really is Mombi?

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    • Well maybe not. I thought she would have more than two scenes, but doesn’t look like it.

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    • In the Chosen though, Ivo, Gretel, Hansel, and Zelena are Oz characters, so...

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    • zelena mentionned in a discution with the blind witch 2.0 that she banished the others who wear the same nakeless she wear soo she's probably not originaly from oz

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    • Yes but if Adam said the witches are from folklore and other fairytales, that means they will probably reveal something more in the upcoming episodes, right?

      I only want names, I don't care for their stories and flashbacks. 

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    • I hope but they probably only will have a small role in gothel backstory ,or only be mention as ... probably gothel making alusion to ther past ;) that what make the most sense for me

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    • Okay, guys! Slightly good news. Sage has a bit of an identity now. Not much, but more than before. When I asked Jane if we could presume that Sage was some sort of healing witch or witch doctor, given her profession, Jane said that hedge witch was the term that came to her mind. So I guess Sage is a hedge witch. I'm having to research that term now XD I'm asking if the teacake reference was specific or just a throwaway line. A hedge witch from Wonderland is better than just witch.

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    • "hedge witch", a term used in folklore for the cunning folk or local herb- doctors who also use spells and charms to heal the sick. It's a wicca term. One example in Disney's tradition is the witch from "THE BRAVE". She also produces teacakes! I realized it while writing this.

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    • Hmmm. I’ll have to ask them about that. Although I’m sure that wasn’t intentional, that’s an interesting coincidence.

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    • Although the oddest thing about her being a hedge Witch is that they are known for working alone and not belonging to a coven.

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    • Not necessarily. They sometimes join other witches for a particular ritual though mantaining their own style, believes and rites. This is exactly the case: in fact she tried to erase the tattoo.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: Although the oddest thing about her being a hedge Witch is that they are known for working alone and not belonging to a coven.

      Yup. I don't think Jane did her homework.

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    • When you guys said hedgewitch, I remembered that Once has mentioned a hedgewitch only one other time (That I could recall).

      In the Underworld’s Storybook, there was a Wood Troll named Darius who suffered from a mysterious ailment. So, you know what he did? Went to a famous hedgewitch and her name was Chief Maggie of the EF’s North Riding.

      That’s my headcanon anyway. Check out the Trivia for the UW Story oil or 5x20’s trivia.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      Okay, guys! Slightly good news. Sage has a bit of an identity now. Not much, but more than before. When I asked Jane if we could presume that Sage was some sort of healing witch or witch doctor, given her profession, Jane said that hedge witch was the term that came to her mind. So I guess Sage is a hedge witch. I'm having to research that term now XD I'm asking if the teacake reference was specific or just a throwaway line. A hedge witch from Wonderland is better than just witch.

      Interesting. Well, Wonderland does have lots of hedges with those infinite mazes, so it works. XD

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    • She’s not from Wonderland. Or at least not in canon. Jane said it wasn’t intentional. She said they never specified or theorized about her identity but that she could be whoever we choose to imagine her as, as the show also belongs to us. Soo.... who is she in your headcanons? :P

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      She’s not from Wonderland. Or at least not in canon. Jane said it wasn’t intentional. She said they never specified or theorized about her identity but that she could be whoever we choose to imagine her as, as the show also belongs to us. Soo.... who is she in your headcanons? :P

      My favorite headcanon is her being the Dutchess from Wonderland (or New Wonderland I guess).

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      She’s not from Wonderland. Or at least not in canon. Jane said it wasn’t intentional. She said they never specified or theorized about her identity but that she could be whoever we choose to imagine her as, as the show also belongs to us. Soo.... who is she in your headcanons? :P
      My favorite headcanon is her being the Dutchess from Wonderland (or New Wonderland I guess).

      I'd love that. If we only had a Wonderland Alice centric... </3 

      They could've call her "Duchess" and mix her up with the Duchess herself, the Queen of Hearts and the Red Queen, similar to what Tim Burton did with Helena Bonham Carter's Red Queen in the 2010 live action movie.

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    • If I can pick anyone I want her to be Mombi, then, haha... I mean, Mombi could totally be a Hedgewitch since she'd been demoted to basically that after being conquered by the GWof the North.

      Forever Bitter We Didn't Get Mombi... (just kidding)

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    • Hilda is from Arendelle, and for some reason from the italian swiss canton: "now, MANGI!"

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    • Which witch did we discovered from Disney universe? Gothel Leota ??? Drizella is not a witch, either in traditional fairytale or in Disney movie. Maybe other witches can be someone who became a witch, like Gretel's story suggests. Truly, we all have been confined in our fantasies among characters we liked, who were already witches.

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    • Bottondoro wrote: Hilda is from Arendelle, and for some reason from the italian swiss canton: "now, MANGI!"

      It was Norse (it is in a bunch of languages but Norse because Arendelle is Norse.)

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    • Bottondoro wrote: Which witch did we discovered from Disney universe? Gothel Leota ??? Drizella is not a witch, either in traditional fairytale or in Disney movie. Maybe other witches can be someone who became a witch, like Gretel's story suggests. Truly, we all have been confined in our fantasies among characters we liked, who were already witches.

      They didn’t mean they would be Disney witches but Drizella is Disney.

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    • Sure the name Drizella is Disney's. I meant that in no traditional version of the tale Cinderella's sisters have magical powers. So basically the witches can be anyone... And, Hilda says "eat!" in italian (don't know why). It's not norse.

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    • Bottondoro wrote:
      Sure the name Drizella is Disney's.

      I meant that in no traditional version of the tale Cinderella's sisters have magical powers. So basically the witches can be anyone... And, Hilda says "eat!" in italian (don't know why). It's not norse.

      You are misunderstanding. The Witches can be from Disney, not are necessarily Disney witches.

      And no, mangi is in multiple european languages, notably Old Norse. They have a super ancient Eurpoean language class and so Italian (and some degree Spanish and Old French) derives it from Latin and Old Norse and Latin both derive their words from the Indo-European family class.

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    • Did they say that the witches should have been necessarily WITCHES (in Disney's works or in tradition)? That is what I meant.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Bottondoro wrote:
      Sure the name Drizella is Disney's.

      I meant that in no traditional version of the tale Cinderella's sisters have magical powers. So basically the witches can be anyone... And, Hilda says "eat!" in italian (don't know why). It's not norse.

      You are misunderstanding. The Witches can be from Disney, not are necessarily Disney witches.

      And no, mangi is in multiple european languages, notably Old Norse. They have a super ancient Eurpoean language class and so Italian (and some degree Spanish and Old French) derives it from Latin and Old Norse and Latin both derive their words from the Indo-European family class.

      So what does it mean and how do you write it?

      Manger, to eat, is spise in norwegian. Ethimology comes from the latin manducare. Norwegian derives from north germanic language and not from romance language.

      By the way, I do not think that showing up our linguistic skills is useful to the thread.

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    • Bottondoro wrote:
      Did they say that the witches should have been necessarily WITCHES (in Disney's works or in tradition)? That is what I meant.

      They said we would recognize the witches from Disney or folklore. So far out of the 6 known witches who were part of the coven for the purpose of the curse, only 3 are traditionally witches in Disney or folklore: Gothel, Blind Witch, and Regina. Drizella, like you said, is not traditionally a witch. Leota is a spirit medium, which is different from a witch. And Sage's counterpart isn't even based on a specific witch. We'll have to see who the remaining 2 witches are (if they even tell us), but they may or may not be witches traditionally.

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    • Thank you! That's exactly what I was mumbling about... I wish I could understand who they are, but since they can possibly be a not-witch in the tradition, our bets are pure hazard...

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    • Bottondoro wrote: Which witch did we discovered from Disney universe? Gothel Leota ??? Drizella is not a witch, either in traditional fairytale or in Disney movie. Maybe other witches can be someone who became a witch, like Gretel's story suggests. Truly, we all have been confined in our fantasies among characters we liked, who were already witches.

      Leota was the Disney witch and Hilda would be the folklore I guess. But we still have at least two more unknown ones.

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    • So now we have

      1. Mother Gothel/Eloise Gardener
      2. Drizella Tremaine/Ivy Belfrey
      3. Madame Leota/???
      4. Hedge Witch/Andrea Sage
      5. Blind Witch/Hilda Braeburn
      6. ???/???
      7. ???/???
      8. Regina the Evil Queen/Roni ----> Anastasia Tremaine/Anastasia Belfrey?

      It seems to me like there's no specific witch to fill the role of #8. I initially thought Anastasia replaced Drizella but I think once you are given a spot, you keep it, 'cause it doesn't seem like Gothel is out to replace Sage and Hilda.

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    • Bottondoro wrote: Which witch did we discovered from Disney universe? Gothel Leota ??? Drizella is not a witch, either in traditional fairytale or in Disney movie. Maybe other witches can be someone who became a witch, like Gretel's story suggests. Truly, we all have been confined in our fantasies among characters we liked, who were already witches.

      True, although they said classic witches and Gothel, Leota, and Drizella are villins and most of the villins in past seasons had magic even though in Disney they didn't. Gretel is different because she was just introduced as a witch to tie in with Drizella to bring Nick/Hansel to the main focus for 715, 716, and 717. They can still have a witch that was a good character with no magic but I think they are using more ancient beings such as a wood nymph (Gothel), gods, a blind witch, healers, and a Hedge Witch (Sage).

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      So now we have
      1. Mother Gothel/Eloise Gardener
      2. Drizella Tremaine/Ivy Belfrey
      3. Madame Leota/???
      4. Hedge Witch/Andrea Sage
      5. Blind Witch/Hilda Braeburn
      6. ???/???
      7. ???/???
      8. Regina the Evil Queen/Roni ----> Anastasia Tremaine/Anastasia Belfrey?

      It seems to me like there's no specific witch to fill the role of #8. I initially thought Anastasia replaced Drizella but I think once you are given a spot, you keep it, 'cause it doesn't seem like Gothel is out to replace Sage and Hilda.

      Leota's counterpart may be the dead florist. I doubt we will see her in any other capacity, especially when we have two witches who haven't been shown at all.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      So now we have
      1. Mother Gothel/Eloise Gardener
      2. Drizella Tremaine/Ivy Belfrey
      3. Madame Leota/???
      4. Hedge Witch/Andrea Sage
      5. Blind Witch/Hilda Braeburn
      6. ???/???
      7. ???/???
      8. Regina the Evil Queen/Roni ----> Anastasia Tremaine/Anastasia Belfrey?

      It seems to me like there's no specific witch to fill the role of #8. I initially thought Anastasia replaced Drizella but I think once you are given a spot, you keep it, 'cause it doesn't seem like Gothel is out to replace Sage and Hilda.

      Leota's counterpart may be the dead florist. I doubt we will see her in any other capacity, especially when we have two witches who haven't been shown at all.

      To add, we aren’t 100% sure on Leota being in the Coven (more like 85%), and I wouldn’t count Ana as apart of the Coven because Eloise was literally going to steal her magic...which means she’s useless to Eloise otherwise.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      So now we have
      1. Mother Gothel/Eloise Gardener
      2. Drizella Tremaine/Ivy Belfrey
      3. Madame Leota/???
      4. Hedge Witch/Andrea Sage
      5. Blind Witch/Hilda Braeburn
      6. ???/???
      7. ???/???
      8. Regina the Evil Queen/Roni ----> Anastasia Tremaine/Anastasia Belfrey?

      It seems to me like there's no specific witch to fill the role of #8. I initially thought Anastasia replaced Drizella but I think once you are given a spot, you keep it, 'cause it doesn't seem like Gothel is out to replace Sage and Hilda.

      Leota's counterpart may be the dead florist. I doubt we will see her in any other capacity, especially when we have two witches who haven't been shown at all.

      To add, we aren’t 100% sure on Leota being in the Coven (more like 85%), and I wouldn’t count Ana as apart of the Coven because Eloise was literally going to steal her magic...which means she’s useless to Eloise otherwise.

      I only count her because Gothel referred to the Coven as their "sisters". I think Anastasia was just a means to an end like Regina was in the NEF.

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    • So who are those robe women in the promo? They can’t all be the members present at the curse because there are only two whose identity we don’t know but there are five seen in the promo.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      So who are those robe women in the promo? They can’t all be the members present at the curse because there are only two whose identity we don’t know but there are five seen in the promo.

      Prolly random women that Gothel recruited. 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      So who are those robe women in the promo? They can’t all be the members present at the curse because there are only two whose identity we don’t know but there are five seen in the promo.

      Prolly random women that Gothel recruited. 

      Hopefully Leota and the other two unknowns are among them:

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      So who are those robe women in the promo? They can’t all be the members present at the curse because there are only two whose identity we don’t know but there are five seen in the promo.
      Prolly random women that Gothel recruited. 
      Hopefully Leota and the other two unknowns are among them:

      From what we've got from recent episodes, i'm going to go with they're going to go with nothing at all, just random women without names and no further explanation, unfortunetely xD

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      RedCoatOfficial wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:


      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      So who are those robe women in the promo? They can’t all be the members present at the curse because there are only two whose identity we don’t know but there are five seen in the promo.
      Prolly random women that Gothel recruited. 
      Hopefully Leota and the other two unknowns are among them:
      From what we've got from recent episodes, i'm going to go with they're going to go with nothing at all, just random women without names and no further explanation, unfortunetely xD

      Hope that you understood what i tried to say. xD

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    • They might get explained. Gothel might refer to them by names, but that’s the best we can hope for.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:
      They might get explained. Gothel might refer to them by names, but that’s the best we can hope for.

      Please, God, please.

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    • At least we'll see a coven? Right? Was honestly getting afraid we wouldn't see too much of it...

      But FIVE robes? Of who? 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      RedCoatOfficial wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:


      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      So who are those robe women in the promo? They can’t all be the members present at the curse because there are only two whose identity we don’t know but there are five seen in the promo.
      Prolly random women that Gothel recruited. 
      Hopefully Leota and the other two unknowns are among them:
      From what we've got from recent episodes, i'm going to go with they're going to go with nothing at all, just random women without names and no further explanation, unfortunetely xD

      Hope that you understood what i tried to say. xD

      Haha yeah I do. Trying to be hopeful but it hasn’t really been helping with this storyline xD

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      RedCoatOfficial wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:


      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      So who are those robe women in the promo? They can’t all be the members present at the curse because there are only two whose identity we don’t know but there are five seen in the promo.
      Prolly random women that Gothel recruited. 
      Hopefully Leota and the other two unknowns are among them:
      From what we've got from recent episodes, i'm going to go with they're going to go with nothing at all, just random women without names and no further explanation, unfortunetely xD
      Hope that you understood what i tried to say. xD
      Haha yeah I do. Trying to be hopeful but it hasn’t really been helping with this storyline xD

      Yeah. So far, the "War of the Witches" is just misleading advertisement :P

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    • Leroiblanc wrote: At least we'll see a coven? Right? Was honestly getting afraid we wouldn't see too much of it...

      But FIVE robes? Of who? 

      Two women had Alice, two had Hook and one was standing behind Hook and the two who grabbed him. So there could be more but that’s what I counted.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      RedCoatOfficial wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:


      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      So who are those robe women in the promo? They can’t all be the members present at the curse because there are only two whose identity we don’t know but there are five seen in the promo.
      Prolly random women that Gothel recruited. 
      Hopefully Leota and the other two unknowns are among them:
      From what we've got from recent episodes, i'm going to go with they're going to go with nothing at all, just random women without names and no further explanation, unfortunetely xD

      I just remembered this is episode is written by A&E, so perhaps they'll show more Coven stuff than the other writers usually do. (trying to be hopeful) xD

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    • Is it possible that Sage and Hilda were red herrings and were never actually in the coven? I know they had the mark, but so have others. Maybe the Coven of the Eight had extra members.

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    • I guess the "real" coven are Hilda, Sage, Gothel and the 5 witches from the promo: That's 8 witches overall

      So that would mean Drizella was never a real coven witch. It was just a trap to get to Anastasia. Did Drizella even get the tattoo?


      So, it seems the war of the witches is finally coming 8 episodes after being advertised. Way to go, ABC

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    • https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0198137/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr647

      Stuntwoman Crystal Dalman is seen playing one of the witches in the promo. I'm afraid the unseen witches are all played by stunts and will neither be credited nor had any lines, let alone names.

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    • Let's not forget that Ivy & Ana are gone, Hilda & Sage are dead... Gothel had to find other witches :P Which explain why there are so many new members ^^

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    • Lady is right - apart from Gothel and Leota, the other known members have been killed off...

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    • Well, Gothel really only had 7 members and she booted Drizella out, Sage and Braeburn are dead, so that leaves her with Leota and two other members (assuming the others aren't dead too). I theorized that the dead woman that got chocolates what Leota (just because).

      I'm guessing that Eloise recruited randoms to join. I guess they were just low tier witches in NEF and so she had to pick someone. I wonder if they remember who they are or Eloise somehow actually tricked them into being apart of a cult. Probably from her art theraphy class, XD.

      Like I don't understand....does Gothel just want to absorb magic or something? She wanted to take Ana's G-magic because it proven that G-magic absorbs dark magic. If she was after the dagger, than she was after the magic, right? I dunno but we have enough magic hungry villains.

      So, let's not try to guess the new random people unless they get named in the episode because the old coven is probably all dead.

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    • AuntieJoans wrote: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0198137/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr647

      Stuntwoman Crystal Dalman is seen playing one of the witches in the promo. I'm afraid the unseen witches are all played by stunts and will neither be credited nor had any lines, let alone names.

      Yup that looks like the one who grabs Hook. How did you figure this out? XD

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    • https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5449145/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr20

      Another witch seems to be played by Nilo Ghajar. Also a stuntwoman ^^

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    • Guess there’s a big explosion or shoot-out. Why else have stunt women.

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    • The new discoveries about the stunts make me even more dissapointed and upset. This coven thing turned out to be a shit. BAD job, Adam and Eddy.

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    • Ivang92 wrote: The new discoveries about the stunts make me even more dissapointed and upset. This coven thing turned out to be a shit. BAD job, Adam and Eddy.

      Even if they did focus on the coven storyline, there was not much they could do with 12 episodes. They wouldn’t have had enough time to actually develop the members as well as continue storylines with all the other characters.

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    • I hope they'll specifically explain that Eloise had to find replacement witches (who were probably intitiates), since it'd make the witch killer storyline feel a bit off. 

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    • Maybe she stopped by Salem and resurrected the Sanderson sisters? I kid, they are done with the lore, obviosuly. She probably just empowered some random women or grew them in her garden. -_-

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    • Saintfighteraqua wrote: Maybe she stopped by Salem and resurrected the Sanderson sisters? I kid, they are done with the lore, obviosuly. She probably just empowered some random women or grew them in her garden. -_-

      Maybe she’ll call one of them Winnie or Sarah or Mary😂

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    • TheRose123 wrote:

      Ivang92 wrote: The new discoveries about the stunts make me even more dissapointed and upset. This coven thing turned out to be a shit. BAD job, Adam and Eddy.

      Even if they did focus on the coven storyline, there was not much they could do with 12 episodes. They wouldn’t have had enough time to actually develop the members as well as continue storylines with all the other characters.

      I'm not saying they had to focus the whole episodes on the coven. Just to spend a minute or two per episode to at least name the witches. I'm not even asking for detailed backstories or to see each of them in NEF version - just their Seattle personas and real fairytale names. Is that too much? I don't think so. But it looks like A&E got too lazy, so from a coven of 8 members, only Gothel, Drizella, the Blind Witch and Leotta were famous. The creators made this coven an important part of the season so it's so dissapointing that half of it's members are just "nameless background characters, minor witches from someone's story". That's not OUAT I loved.

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    • Today's the day!

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    • If Gothel is indeed the mother, than the original Coven would be her nymph group (which we may or may not see...alive). If so, her daughter (possibly Guardian) was killled/targeted due to her status and betrayal by mankind.

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    • Apparently the Coven is indeed being re-formed. I counted 7 members in the promo now and Gothel wants to recruit Tilly so that’s 8.

      Two take Tilly. Two grab Hook. One stands behind Hook to the left and one to the right. That’s six. Gothel is 7 And they’re recruiting Alice so 8.

      Let’s pray that there’s at least a passing mention of the old Coven or maybe Leota is still her or at least two of them are the unknown witches from The Eighth Witch.

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    • I’m pretty sure unless you see them named in the opening credits, the old Coven is probably all dead.

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    • Do you guys think Leota might make an appearance? The only thing that makes me hopeful for a cameo is that Chilton wasn't credited in the press release for Knightfall so there's a chance Suzy was left out. Or Nisreen and Chilton too, if we get flashbacks.

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    • I asked Suzy. Not gonna ask Nisreen, cause she's already told me twice that she isn't allowed to say.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: Do you guys think Leota might make an appearance? The only thing that makes me hopeful for a cameo is that Chilton wasn't credited in the press release for Knightfall so there's a chance Suzy was left out. Or Nisreen and Chilton too, if we get flashbacks.

      No.

      Don’t be hopeful. We will likely see the first Coven (a bajillion years ago) of the Wood Nymphs, then the random peeps she picked up what we saw in the promo.

      They could be nice and do like quick flashes of the Coven (curse casters) but knowing the show, it would be cut.

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    • My hope is to see all of the cursers, but I mainly want cursed Leota and the two unknown hooded witches.

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    • I just hope they mention who the other two witches in hoods were. (That is, if Sage, Hilda, Leota, even were the ones in the hoods).

      Also, Suzy just replied. She said they all sign non-disclosure agreements. The fact that she and Nisreen aren't allowed to talk makes me hopeful that we will get some sort of cameo. Why would they not be allowed to talk if they were done?

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: I just hope they mention who the other two witches in hoods were. (That is, if Sage, Hilda, Leota, even were the ones in the hoods).

      Also, Suzy just replied. She said they all sign non-disclosure agreements. The fact that she and Nisreen aren't allowed to talk makes me hopeful that we will get some sort of cameo. Why would they not be allowed to talk if they were done?

      Depends on the individual. They could have been edited in but unaware of it.

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    • I don't think we'll be getting a big scene with them, but the most I'm hopeful for is that we see that Coven's formation and we see them in hoods or something like that. Just a cameo.

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    • So both Suzy and Nisreen can't talk and when I asked Chilton she wasn't clear on her answer. I would ask her if she's in tonight's but I'm not friends with her like Suzy and Nisreen.

      EDIT: (Note: I don't mean literal friends, I'm talking about social media "friends". xD)

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: So both Suzy and Nisreen can't talk and when I asked Chilton she wasn't clear on her answer. I would ask her if she's in tonight's but I'm not friends with her like Suzy and Nisreen.

      EDIT: (Note: I don't mean literal friends, I'm talking about social media "friends". xD)

      Remember that it was like a month or so ago, so they probably don’t remember.

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    • I guess we’ll know in a few hours. I’m just so excited/nervous that we’re FINALLY getting our Coven episode😆tonight is it for this storyline so I’m kinda scared. Well I mean there’s a very slight chance of it being mentioned next week since GothEloise appears but there’s like a 1% chance of the finales bringing it up and I’m not very hopeful for next week either.

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    • Okay guys now I’m even finding this weird😂another Coven member followed me. Seriously, how is it such a coincidence that I manage to only get follows from Coven members. And on Facebook, I’m friends with two coven members (Suzy and Nisreen)

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    • How’s it going? I caught the first few minutes but then I had to leave. Dang, why does it have to come on Friday’s at 8:00. That’s such a hard time to catch it😔

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      How’s it going? I caught the first few minutes but then I had to leave. Dang, why does it have to come on Friday’s at 8:00. That’s such a hard time to catch it😔

      Well, Eloise enchanted Desk Seargent into helping her awake her sisters. And yes, it's five/six (didn't remember), which makes no sense. Gothel is the daughter, the little girl was just one of the Wood Nymphs.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      How’s it going? I caught the first few minutes but then I had to leave. Dang, why does it have to come on Friday’s at 8:00. That’s such a hard time to catch it😔

      Well, Eloise enchanted Desk Seargent into helping her awake her sisters. And yes, it's five/six (didn't remember), which makes no sense. Gothel is the daughter, the little girl was just one of the Wood Nymphs.

      I saw when Gothel enchanted DS, and when I left Rogers was interrogating Naveen. I’m so excited to get home and see it! I got excited when she mentioned “the witches who are asleep”. So at least one should be from the casting of the curse.

      NOTE: Does anyone know who the blonde in the pink dress in the beginning was? She looked so familiar.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      How’s it going? I caught the first few minutes but then I had to leave. Dang, why does it have to come on Friday’s at 8:00. That’s such a hard time to catch it😔
      Well, Eloise enchanted Desk Seargent into helping her awake her sisters. And yes, it's five/six (didn't remember), which makes no sense. Gothel is the daughter, the little girl was just one of the Wood Nymphs.
      I saw when Gothel enchanted DS, and when I left Rogers was interrogating Naveen. I’m so excited to get home and see it! I got excited when she mentioned “the witches who are asleep”. So at least one should be from the casting of the curse.

      NOTE: Does anyone know who the blonde in the pink dress in the beginning was? She looked so familiar.

      She definitely looks like Anastasia from Wonderland. She's Gothel's bully.

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    • Do you know who plays her though? She looks like an actor I’ve seen before.

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    • No idea.

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    • So... what happened?

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    • She had a Coven of Eight and cast some sort of spell. Gothel, Alice, Seraphina, and 5 random's (althogh at least we saw their faces). What was the point of this arc if the Coven of the Eight really had like 12 witches? XD

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      Do you know who plays her though? She looks like an actor I’ve seen before.

      We have all the actresses names on the wiki now.

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    • The Coven of the Eight...teen xD

      And yeah it was Emily

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    • Ok so:

      Coven of the ummm Thriteen

      Gothel

      Seraphina

      Drizella

      Hilda

      Dr. Sage

      Leota

      Unknown Witch 1

      Unknown Witch 2

      Anastasia

      Unknown Witch 3

      Unknown Witch 4

      Unknown Witch 5

      Alice

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    • What did they say about Sage and Hilda?

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      What did they say about Sage and Hilda?

      Want to wager a guess?

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      Ok so:

      Coven of the ummm Thriteen

      Gothel

      Seraphina

      Drizella

      Hilda

      Dr. Sage

      Leota

      Unknown Witch 1

      Unknown Witch 2

      Anastasia

      Unknown Witch 3

      Unknown Witch 4

      Unknown Witch 5

      Alice

      Don't forget Regina also filled in for the curse casting. XD

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      What did they say about Sage and Hilda?

      Nothing about Sage, Hilda, or Leota.

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    • Someone wrote on their page that they were mentioned is why I asked. I’m gonna watch it as soon i get home

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    • So

      1. Gothel
      2. Seraphina
      3. Leota
      4. Sage
      5. Hilda
      6. Drizella
      7. Regina/Alice/Anastasia
      8. the ? witches from tonight.
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    • Oh, the ? witches... The bane of OUAT.

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    • I wonder where the witches from tonight came from though? Leota is MIA (though I’m no longer sure she was ever here to begin with), Drizella is gone back home, Sage and Hilda are dead, Alice would fill Regina’s spot I’m pretty sure, so only Seraphina and Gothel + one more are from the old coven... so who are these women?

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      I wonder where the witches from tonight came from though? Leota is MIA (though I’m no longer sure she was ever here to begin with), Drizella is gone back home, Sage and Hilda are dead, Alice would fill Regina’s spot I’m pretty sure, so only Seraphina and Gothel + one more are from the old coven... so who are these women?

      Plot hole? I guess Adam will just create an excuse in his Twitter. What is MIA? 

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    • Oh Lord, they could've just called it Gothel's Coven or anything else than "Coven of the Eight."

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      I wonder where the witches from tonight came from though? Leota is MIA (though I’m no longer sure she was ever here to begin with), Drizella is gone back home, Sage and Hilda are dead, Alice would fill Regina’s spot I’m pretty sure, so only Seraphina and Gothel + one more are from the old coven... so who are these women?
      Plot hole? I guess Adam will just create an excuse in his Twitter. What is MIA? 

      Missing in action. I think it originates from the military.

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    • “Missing in action.” Pretty much just meant to say she’s not there lol. :P

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    • I can ask Emma later if she knows

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    • Okay, just finished the episode and now I am super confused. Gothel seemed to confirm tonight that those six women are indeed THE coven... but we know for sure that Sage, Hilda and Drizella were in it and we're pretty certain Leota was. But even with the possibility that Sage and Hilda weren't in the casting Coven somehow, we know for sure that Drizella was because we saw her uncloaked.

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    • On a brighter note: I just went back to research the scene with Henry's detective boards. He literally wrote beside Andrea's picture "Who was Dr. Sage before?!"

      C'mon Adam and Eddy, even the characters wanna know! xD

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    • So after Seraphina was revealed, there are 5 unknown members left:

      Old members:

      Dr. Sage, one more witch

      New members:

      Replacements for Sage, Hilda, Drizella



      It looks like it's up to our imagination who these unknown members are. Personally I'd love if one of them was Nerissa from "W.I.T.C.H.".

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    • Here’s the full Coven as far as we know:

      1. Gothel
      2. Seraphina
      3. Madame Leota
      4. Andrea Sage/Hedge Witch —-> Her replacement
      5. Hilda Braeburn/Blind Witch —-> Her replacement
      6. Drizella —-> Her replacement
      7. Unknown witch. Probably present tonight.
      8. Regina Mills —-> Anastasia —-> Alice
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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      Here’s the full Coven as far as we know:
      1. Gothel
      2. Seraphina
      3. Madame Leota
      4. Andrea Sage/Hedge Witch —-> Her replacement
      5. Hilda Braeburn/Blind Witch —-> Her replacement
      6. Drizella —-> Her replacement
      7. Unknown witch. Probably present tonight.
      8. Regina Mills —-> Anastasia —-> Alice

      Wouldn't Leota also have a replacement, since we saw the witches faces, and Leota wasn't one of them?

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    • Yeah, another question is...did Ryce raise the dead?

      Gothel tells him to awaken the Coven and Seraphina is human and tens of thousands of not more years passed by for the first recruit.

      She could have always been apart and kept alive somehow, I guess.

      I guess then Ryce just distributed the cure for the Curse to Seraphina and then to five random witches. Although one was still unknown from before. (I the dead were raised then this must be Uber first Coven.)

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    • The flower thing seems confirmed. Gothel wants to bring back the plants who had been killed by fire. So I think the coven witches arte the original this time. While Drizella and other random witches (Regina too) have been recruited only for small part of Gothel plan (such as launching curses and so on). Desk sergeant is undoubtly someone who can bring to life (Gothel has the amulet of resurrection) or awaken somebody who is not.

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    • Maybe she had a separate coven in both NEF and LWM? 

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    • Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      Maybe she had a separate coven in both NEF and LWM? 

      Gothel left LWM right after the humans killed the Tree Nymphs, so nah. 

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    • Ug, the coven just got a lot more complicated after the episode. Any chance of more reveals? Like the the last original witch and more of Leota?