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  • So I think I know who the witch hunter is and why. I believe Jack is really an alias for Hansel (a new Hansel, not Season 1's). He is hunting the witches because they either convinced his sister (Gretel) to join the coven, or used her to restore Madame Leota's body. That means Nick is the awake fairy tale character. Notice how he was at the hospital earlier, but when Lucy woke up, he wasn't there. As someone pointed out to me, when a mystery killer is shown, the character is usually in the episode, and other potential suspects (like Facilier and Naveen) weren't. Also, this explains the Breadcrumbs episode. Breadcrumbs refer to the traditional way Hansel and Gretel mark their path, but they also refer to little pieces of evidence people use to solve crimes (like a serial killer's murders). In this way, Hansel/Jack/Nick ties into both plots. I also think that is why Henry and Hook are the focus of 716's FBs. Jack is likely also in those FBs, but Adam and Eddy didn't want to give too much away. This is probably the episode where it is revealed Jack is actually Hansel. So let me know what you think!

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    • That would be very interesting, and the evidence seems to be there, but Nick/Jack really didn't strike me to be a murderer. Unless they intend to make him a villain...in which case he would be trying to have an affair with his friend's wife...unless he knew that Henry would die if they actually kissed (he really would be woke).

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    • I really like this idea

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    • I love this theory and if you're incorrect, it would be a real shame.

      I had been assuming that Jack was also on the adventure with Henry/Hook in 7x16 but thought they didn't mention him simply because he's been insignificant so far and his name isn't buzzworthy. But perhaps it's going to be that something happens in the NEF that makes Henry & Hook suspicious of Jack and their adventure will actually revolve around going after him. 

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    • I bet you're right

      Maybe he is not just killing the coven witches but any witch in general, so at some point went after Regina and Zelena

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    • I came in to disagree and now I think it’s pretty hard to.

      Jack has to have a purpose and it seems very likely given that he was at the hospital.

      But he appeared to be friends with Henry, so I don’t know why he’d be making out with his friend’s wife. Could be, we shall see.

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    • I would love anything where Jack basically does something. And Tiana too, these characters deserve more but I'm aware there is little time left to wrap up the stories.

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    • Great theory. Hope it's actually true. Facilier would be too obvious.

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    • I also believe in this theory. It would be very interesting.

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    • In this interview it states the killer is revealed earlier than you would think:

      https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/once-a-time-sets-up-killer-arc-series-finale-1090086

      I think that still supports Jack being the killer, because they might show Nick killing someone in like 714/715, and explain the why in 716's FB.

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    • I support Jack being the killer. It gives him something to do other than being Lucy’s fake baby daddy.

      Also, does anyone feel that this serial killer arc is set up so they can show us who the witches are, but they don’t have to spend too much time developing them? They can appear as hooded figures in the FBs and get killed off in the present as a way to reveal their identities without them taking too much screentime.

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    • And he is absent when Lucy wakes up Hmmmm

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    • Wait when is it confirmed that Jack appears in the flashback for 7x16?

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Wait when is it confirmed that Jack appears in the flashback for 7x16?

      It isn't. Just a speculation.

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    • Well we can be sure of one thing: whoever the killer is, he or she seems to have a hatred to witches.

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    • Well based on this, I do support the Jack being the Killer and all. However, here's another theory. Robin could be the killer - it does fit the agenda for the character being in the episode. 

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    • 123Raura wrote:
      Well based on this, I do support the Jack being the Killer and all. However, here's another theory. Robin could be the killer - it does fit the agenda for the character being in the episode. 

      I don't see her killing other witches considering her mother and aunt are witches.

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    • 123Raura wrote:
      Well based on this, I do support the Jack being the Killer and all. However, here's another theory. Robin could be the killer - it does fit the agenda for the character being in the episode. 

      Problem being that Robin is half way around the world.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      123Raura wrote:
      Well based on this, I do support the Jack being the Killer and all. However, here's another theory. Robin could be the killer - it does fit the agenda for the character being in the episode. 
      Problem being that Robin is half way around the world.

      We technically don't know that. Robin could've returned and Kelly/Zelena didn't know because of their strained relationship. 

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    • Has anyone considered that Jack is not Hansel, but he is in fact - Jack the Ripper? I mean, it could be a nod to that, but yeah Hansel too, since in the movie he's called a witch hunter.

      I'm just glad if they are doing something with this character at all, that would be better than just being "the Kathryn" of the situation.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Has anyone considered that Jack is not Hansel, but he is in fact - Jack the Ripper? I mean, it could be a nod to that, but yeah Hansel too, since in the movie he's called a witch hunter.

      I'm just glad if they are doing something with this character at all, that would be better than just being "the Kathryn" of the situation.

      Jack the Ripper? Interesting theory :)

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    • Oooh I really want Jack to be the Witch Hunter only because I still don't see the point in his character hahaha. 

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      So I think I know who the witch hunter is and why. I believe Jack is really an alias for Hansel (a new Hansel, not Season 1's). He is hunting the witches because they either convinced his sister (Gretel) to join the coven, or used her to restore Madame Leota's body. That means Nick is the awake fairy tale character. Notice how he was at the hospital earlier, but when Lucy woke up, he wasn't there. As someone pointed out to me, when a mystery killer is shown, the character is usually in the episode, and other potential suspects (like Facilier and Naveen) weren't. Also, this explains the Breadcrumbs episode. Breadcrumbs refer to the traditional way Hansel and Gretel mark their path, but they also refer to little pieces of evidence people use to solve crimes (like a serial killer's murders). In this way, Hansel/Jack/Nick ties into both plots. I also think that is why Henry and Hook are the focus of 716's FBs. Jack is likely also in those FBs, but Adam and Eddy didn't want to give too much away. This is probably the episode where it is revealed Jack is actually Hansel. So let me know what you think!

      Al i like how you think man.This theory is awesome.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Has anyone considered that Jack is not Hansel, but he is in fact - Jack the Ripper? I mean, it could be a nod to that, but yeah Hansel too, since in the movie he's called a witch hunter.

      I'm just glad if they are doing something with this character at all, that would be better than just being "the Kathryn" of the situation.

      I thought about it too, but I don't think it fit with the witches stuff, and Jack the Ripper murders his victims in a very specific way, so doubt it.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Has anyone considered that Jack is not Hansel, but he is in fact - Jack the Ripper? I mean, it could be a nod to that, but yeah Hansel too, since in the movie he's called a witch hunter.

      I'm just glad if they are doing something with this character at all, that would be better than just being "the Kathryn" of the situation.

      Jack the Ripper was a real serial killer though. That seems a bit dark for Once. They didn't even do Pocohantus, and she's a Disney princess.

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    • My Theories (Which are unlikely, for they would be unfair to the plotline): 

      1. Drizella (The reason it could be possible is that Drizella no longer has magic,so she's not a witch, and she's probably a different evil - Rumple level, let's say - and set on taking out the Coven to destroy Gothel and avenge her mother. Plus, Drizella was a member of the Coven, and was awake the whole time, she'd know who the members of the Coven are, and who their cursed identities are - i.e. in theory, Dr. Sage is a witch/part of Gothel's Coven. However, this won't happen because Drizella probably reforms because her mother died to protect Drizella, so she hopefully will align with Regina and Zelena to help break the curse without risking Henry's life.

      2. Rapunzel (I have no evidence. The only reason I have this theory is because of Lucy reading the book in 7x12 promo, say, "Or if True Love shall ever break the curse, Henry Mills would surely die." This stems off of how Zelena was supposedly dead but ended up taking the place of Marian. So, why couldn't Rapunzel die and have her energy be transferred into Lucy? But this won't happen because it takes away Rapunzel's redemption in the end.)

      3. Anastasia (No evidence. Just a quick thought, because this is impossible because Ana is a symbol of goodness and purity.) 

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    • I agree with CoolDudeAl's theory. However, I think it could also be a witch who doesn't like other witches and possibly someone from Storybrooke.

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    • I mean, Jack the Giant Slayer might just have other jobs...

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    • Well, we have what appears to be a new iteration of the Blind Witch from Hansel and Gretel confirmed as one of the coven witches in 712, so that is definitly helping to strenghten this theory.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Well, we have what appears to be a new iteration of the Blind Witch from Hansel and Gretel confirmed as one of the coven witches in 712, so that is definitly helping to strenghten this theory.

      I'm really a fan of this theory, 'cause, 1: i would give us a new shot at "Hansel and Gretel" (wish i love), and, 2: it would give Jack/Nick something to do beyond being Lucy's fake baby daddy.

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    • Assuming Jack slays other things. Maybe it’s Hilda and Jack the new Hansel and Gretel, but Gretel is the Witch?

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    • On the other hand, doesn't the current cast list for the upcoming episode reveal who it is? Or am I reading wrong?

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    • 123Raura wrote:
      On the other hand, doesn't the current cast list for the upcoming episode reveal who it is? Or am I reading wrong?

      It probably just means Naveen is first introduced as an alligator hunter, before giving his name.

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    • Speculation says that the witch hunter will be revealed in 7x12, which makes it look like it's Naveen or Facilier, but what if both are red herrings and the killer gets revealed in 7x13? And it would be Jack, you know, in an episode where the main witches actually appear.

      I still doubt it, I guess it's most likely Naveen, Facilier is too obvious.

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    • Depends on the route they take.

      Route 1: Naveen is a Hunter in the past. Wants revenge on witch (doctors) like Facilier. Switcheroo in present reveals it to be Facilier.

      Route 2: Double Switcheroo. (Naveen is actually the hunter in both).

      Route 3: Neither are, but is revealed next episode to be Nick.

      I’d favor Route 1 as it’s standard tv and Once really doesn’t go out left field.

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    • Not only Facilier is predictable because we already know he is a villain, but he is supposed to be Regina's lover so, if he's a serial killer that makes it kind of difficult.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: Not only Facilier is predictable because we already know he is a villain, but he is supposed to be Regina's lover so, if he's a serial killer that makes it kind of difficult.

      Redemption thru romantic love. For some reason that sounds familiar.

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    • I prefer this theory over both Naveen and Facilier. And only because Adam and Eddy said that the witch hunter isn't THE mystery, but A mystery and will therefore be revealed earlier than we might expect, that doesn't mean it's next episode already. It just means that it won't take til the end of the season, like other murder mysteries often do. 

      Considering 7x16 is "Breadcrumbs" I personally feel like that is a fair amount of episodes to keep up the witch hunter storyline and then wrap it up launching us into the final steps of Gothel's arc and the show itself. Especially because we have an Alice-centric and Drizella's exit to deal with too in 14 and 15. Maybe Jack/Hansel even kills Drizella at the end of 15 to reveal it's him and then give him a backstory in 16. Hope not though, I want her to live. 

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote: Not only Facilier is predictable because we already know he is a villain, but he is supposed to be Regina's lover so, if he's a serial killer that makes it kind of difficult.

      Redemption thru romantic love. For some reason that sounds familiar.

      Probably but still, it will feel rushed since they only have a few episodes. If that's the case, I would like them leaving an open door about the future of Samdi and Roni, the possibility that he's changed, but he doesn't actually develop that fast. This is going off-topic so I quit.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Not only Facilier is predictable because we already know he is a villain, but he is supposed to be Regina's lover so, if he's a serial killer that makes it kind of difficult.

      To be fair, so far he's only targeting the witches. He's not killing innocent people, but people that the show have established as villains, so it's more a case of evil vs. evil. That'll probably make it easier for them to redeem him.

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    • Plus, whether it’s Nick or Samdi, we have a couple of mass murders walking around having a good old time being “redeemed”.

      Nick or Samdi as Drew is essentially a Disney “hero”. If he’s going to be with Tiana, he’ll be “good”.

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    • Naveen/Drew could be a villain for all we know so they can set up Nook and Tiana together. Just an idea, I'm not sure they are going that way, but I would like Captain Frog.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: Naveen/Drew could be a villain for all we know so they can set up Nook and Tiana together. Just an idea, I'm not sure they are going that way, but I would like Captain Frog.

      Like your optimism, but I’m sure the Disney way is the only way.

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    • So...likelihood’s:

      Naveen—His casting call talks about tragic past and doing things at the cost of things he love

      Facilier—enough said. On a revenge quest and evil.

      Jack—Goves him some purpose

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    • Naveen/Facilier are a red herring I'm sure

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    • Eskaver wrote: So...likelihood’s:

      Naveen—His casting call talks about tragic past and doing things at the cost of things he love

      Facilier—enough said. On a revenge quest and evil.

      Jack—Goves him some purpose

      Naveens tragic past likely has to do with Dr. Facilier being his father. They were likely separated and Faciliers villainy is all to be reunited with his son. Hence Roni and Samdi, since they both are trying to reach their children.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: So...likelihood’s:

      Naveen—His casting call talks about tragic past and doing things at the cost of things he love

      Facilier—enough said. On a revenge quest and evil.

      Jack—Goves him some purpose

      Naveens tragic past likely has to do with Dr. Facilier being his father. They were likely separated and Faciliers villainy is all to be reunited with his son. Hence Roni and Samdi, since they both are trying to reach their children.

      Naveen is confirmed to be a prince on Once. Facilier won't be his father.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Naveen is confirmed to be a prince on Once. Facilier won't be his father.

      His mother could've been a queen? Not saying that Facilier will definitely be his father. I just don't think that Naveen being a prince makes that impossible. 

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    • ShadowLian wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Naveen is confirmed to be a prince on Once. Facilier won't be his father.

      His mother could've been a queen? Not saying that Facilier will definitely be his father. I just don't think that Naveen being a prince makes that impossible. 

      Not impossible, but very unlikely. He is a prince from a distant kingdom, how would Facilier, a traveling soothsayer, be the father of a prince? NEF seems like it is still fairly strict about royalty, a queen wouldn't sleep with a commoner without consequenses.

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    • I hope not as this will make things more “All in the family”. We’ve got Nook and Zelena as parents of Robin and Alice, who’ll be Henry’s cousins. Tremaine and Drizzy are Henry’s step-in laws. Then Navenn and Tiana would be his step-brother and in-law as well. That would make Aunt Sabine not a nickname but something literal!

      Still I don’t see how that plays into Naveen’s possibility as the Witch Hunter. It would give Facilier more notice if the Coven or some witch separated him from his true love and his son.

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    • I really love this theory. I'm a big fan of composite characters anyway but this one is really good. Maybe we can see a Blind Witch 2.0 on the horizon...

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    • GoodWitchOfTheNorth wrote:
      I really love this theory. I'm a big fan of composite characters anyway but this one is really good. Maybe we can see a Blind Witch 2.0 on the horizon...

      The New Blind Witch is already confirmed and will be in 712 (well, her cursed persona anyway).

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      GoodWitchOfTheNorth wrote:
      I really love this theory. I'm a big fan of composite characters anyway but this one is really good. Maybe we can see a Blind Witch 2.0 on the horizon...
      The New Blind Witch is already confirmed and will be in 712 (well, her cursed persona anyway).

      Ha I'm probably the least up-to-date member of this wiki. Thanks

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    • I see the seeds of this theory take root.

      Drew is cursed and was with Sabine, so it’s not him. On the nose, Baron Samdi is awake, but much lies in mystery. Could be the Witch killer, but much is unknown.

      But...Jace and Henry are totally ignoring this love triangle and Nick is hardly ever seen. Points towards him. Could be that the Giantess (wife of the Giant) was a Witch.

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    • I think Samdi may have kept his magic somehow. He can appear and dissapear way too quickly to just be walking away. Plus, the lights were flickering when he appeared, just like how the lights flickered with Emma sometimes.

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    • To add, Samdi appeared in Town the same night Witches started to drop dead, so...it’s either Samdi with overwhelming evidence of “magic”, memories, and timely arrival, or Nick to give him purpose.

      Poor, poor Nick, might just lose out.

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    • I think they are snobbing Nick for now. There isn't implication that he's gonna be relevant anytime soon. And the killer is supposed to be revealed soon. I don't know, I like how this is a real mystery and we still don't know who the witch hunter is, but 7x12 gives the implication that it's Naveen as a pawn under Facilier's guide, I could be wrong... I really don't know, but at this point I would be okay with anyone of the 3 as the killer, they would all be interesting developments.

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    • I'm just confused at this point. They seemed to imply Facilier is the witch killer (I mean he is awake for one thing), but they didn't kill Hilda and we still have Breadcrumbs coming up. Plus, they didn't outright state he's the killer, so are they just trying to trick the audience? I'm not sure.

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    • Kudos to the writers for confusing us and creating this mysterious mystery! Haha.

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    • I was trying to see if he’s leaving hints. Hilda was going to die by oven, which is how she dies in lore. Any hints on Andrea, then?

      I think too many things line up for Samdi for it not to be him. I mean, he could get some of Regina’s hair soon and Drizzy’s not around for too much longer.

      Plus, I’ll admit. David Francis is doing a wonderful job. He’s smooth and brings charm in that over the top outfit.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      I was trying to see if he’s leaving hints. Hilda was going to die by oven, which is how she dies in lore. Any hints on Andrea, then?

      I think too many things line up for Samdi for it not to be him. I mean, he could get some of Regina’s hair soon and Drizzy’s not around for too much longer.

      Plus, I’ll admit. David Francis is doing a wonderful job. He’s smooth and brings charm in that over the top outfit.

      Dr. Sage was posioned, not sure who that points to, for her counterpart or the killer.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      I was trying to see if he’s leaving hints. Hilda was going to die by oven, which is how she dies in lore. Any hints on Andrea, then?

      I think too many things line up for Samdi for it not to be him. I mean, he could get some of Regina’s hair soon and Drizzy’s not around for too much longer.

      Plus, I’ll admit. David Francis is doing a wonderful job. He’s smooth and brings charm in that over the top outfit.

      Dr. Sage was posioned, not sure who that points to, for her counterpart or the killer.

      Maybe Yzma? Everyone heavily theorized about her being one of the witches. The looks of the actress could fit and Yzma did try to poison Kuzco in the movie. 

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    • Do people think this theory can still work, or does Facilier have to be the killer?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Do people think this theory can still work, or does Facilier have to be the killer?

      I would love it to be true, with Facilier being a red-herring and Jack being Hansel as a big plot twist. But i don't think the writers are smart enough to think this XD

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    • I still think Facilier/Naveen are a red herring

      Jack is the Witch Hunter

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Do people think this theory can still work, or does Facilier have to be the killer?

      The theory can still work. It's just things are pointing towards Facilier being the killer pretty heavily. Like how things pointed towards Alice being Nook's daughter so much that we figured it out before they actually revealed it.

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    • I am pretty sure that the witch hunter is Jack because if you lokk carefull enough you can see that the skin of the hunter under the gloves is white and so yeah Naveen and facilier are out .

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    • I have another theory. What if Hansel is the witch killer, but his cursed counterpart is the Desk Sergent?

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    • I still want to think Jack is actually Roland. He became a witch hunter after finding out Zelena killed his mom and raped his dad. So, he is actually going against Zelena, and just killing other witches in the meantime 

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    • Maybe Jack's ultimate goal is to save his friend from Cinderella? (And I don't mean the kiss of death) XD

      I think Facilier is way too obvious and I don't see any other purpose for Jack in the show. Even though this would be weird too. 

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    • The witch killer is Alice

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      The witch killer is Alice

      It definitly isn't her. She is a red herring.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      The witch killer is Alice

      It definitly isn't her. She is a red herring.

      I’m pretty sure it’s her. Like Tilly did t even have the shock or anything and ran off with the scapel, lol.

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    • remember of the lock of hair from the victims. It's needed for a ritual. So I don't think the killer is Alice, nor Hansel. The killer is someone who is collecting all the coven members pieces to cast a spell.

      It is a wizard for sure.

      I suspect it is somebody we haven't considered yet.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      The witch killer is Alice
      It definitly isn't her. She is a red herring.
      I’m pretty sure it’s her. Like Tilly did t even have the shock or anything and ran off with the scapel, lol.

      She threw the scalpel down before running off. 

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      The witch killer is Alice
      It definitly isn't her. She is a red herring.
      I’m pretty sure it’s her. Like Tilly did t even have the shock or anything and ran off with the scapel, lol.

      She threw it down, like Leroi said. And Tilly is cursed to be the crazy girl, so of course she is going to be acting weird. It doesn't make her the killer though.

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    • The killer is giving people a box of chocolates before he kills them. You know who likes sweets? Hansel. Just another little nod to Hansel, if this theory is right.

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    • This theory, although hasn't been hinted at in the episodes yet, is quietly becoming more likely. I really can't see Facilier being the killer, as he might want revenge, but it could also totally only be against one of the witches or even someone else. Plus, we know Facilier's plan involves Sabine/Tiana. 

      Tilley on the other hand, just, doesn't seem like she could be the killer? I mean, for me, I think if she was, it would be due to either 

      A. The curse

      B. Her heart being controlled

      C. The pills 

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      The killer is giving people a box of chocolates before he kills them. You know who likes sweets? Hansel. Just another little nod to Hansel, if this theory is right.

      That...that makes a lot of sense. 

      I'm just hoping Jack/Nick (Hansel) will be developed properly then if this theory comes to fruition. 

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    • New theory: The Wikia confirms that Pan will return for his last hurrah in Season 7. What if Pan's the Witch Hunter?

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    • 123Raura wrote:
      New theory: The Wikia confirms that Pan will return for his last hurrah in Season 7. What if Pan's the Witch Hunter?

      Robbie only started filimg around today or yesterday, so it's probably for Homecoming or Leaving Storybrooke. Anyways, Pan is deader than dead, so I heavily doubt it, also, he stayed in Neverland for the most part during his immortality. 

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      123Raura wrote:
      New theory: The Wikia confirms that Pan will return for his last hurrah in Season 7. What if Pan's the Witch Hunter?
      Robbie only started filimg around today or yesterday, so it's probably for Homecoming or Leaving Storybrooke. Anyways, Pan is deader than dead, so I heavily doubt it, also, he stayed in Neverland for the most part during his immortality. 

      Yeah ... it was a stretch - I'm frustrated. I don't know who, but I know who for sure isn't - it can't be Tilly. Gold, in the NEF, gave his life to Alice, and he trusts her, and knows she didn't do it. It can't be Tilly

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    • I’m guessing Tilly was indeed in the wrong place at the wrong time, but barring weird writing, Eloise seemed to know that they’d find Tilly. Why else would she torment Tilly and send Rogers and Weaver on a wild goose chase? I mean, she sent them away from her Sister Witch, while that witch was being killed.

      Either Eloise’s plan doesn’t need the Witches alive or the Witch Hunter is working with/for Eloise (in or unintientiinally).

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: The killer is giving people a box of chocolates before he kills them. You know who likes sweets? Hansel. Just another little nod to Hansel, if this theory is right.

      At first I thought this theory wasn’t going to come true, but I’m starting to believe it.

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    • Eloise is just wicked, the only thing that makes sense here is that she wants Hook to remember, I actually thought he would be awake by the end of the episode. What I'm not sure about... the woman that died years ago, I wonder what was the point of that...

      But yeah, I hope the killer is Jack.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: The killer is giving people a box of chocolates before he kills them. You know who likes sweets? Hansel. Just another little nod to Hansel, if this theory is right.

      Don’t know. The Killer seemed to sent on eto a dead woman. Either a ploy by Eloise (and she was telling the truth), coincidence, or those two are working in tandem.

      I worry that unless they do the typical bad writing decision and have Nick in the next episode randomly say “Wow, I love Marzipan Chocolate Truffles” it’ll be dropped into oblivion.

      Here’s hope this wiki is on a roll with predictions!

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    • The killer is Lucy.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      The killer is Lucy.

      This feels like trolling to me. Why would the killer be Lucy?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      The killer is Lucy.

      This feels like trolling to me. Why would the killer be Lucy?

      Just an idea. But I think the killer could be someone suprising.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      The killer is Lucy.

      This feels like trolling to me. Why would the killer be Lucy?

      Just an idea. But I think the killer could be someone suprising.

      Wait are you serious about this

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      The killer is Lucy.
      This feels like trolling to me. Why would the killer be Lucy?
      Just an idea. But I think the killer could be someone suprising.

      Someone surprising sure, but a 10 year old child being a serial killer on family friendly show that heavily promotes Disney properties is basically impossible.

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    • Lucy being the killer would be awesome hahaha 

      But she was in bed when Dr Sage was killed

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    • I think the witch killer will be a shock, like maybe it’s Drizella or Jacinderella.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote: I think the witch killer will be a shock, like maybe it’s Drizella or Jacinderella.

      It can't be either of those two. Drizella was with Rogers and Weaver at the time of Victoria's death, which happened at the same time as the doctor's. Jacinda was also in Lucy's hospital room at the time.

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    • Are we sure that the killer and the black leather gloves hands that cut the hair are the same person? Maybe there is a killer (who can be anybody but lucy, and Gothel Who is clearly worried about these deaths) and somebody who catches the chance to take what he needs from the victims at the right time. And I think the lattest could be Baron Samedi.

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    • Bottondoro wrote: Are we sure that the killer and the black leather gloves hands that cut the hair are the same person? Maybe there is a killer (who can be anybody but lucy, and Gothel Who is clearly worried about these deaths) and somebody who catches the chance to take what he needs from the victims at the right time. And I think the lattest could be Baron Samedi.

      I’m pretty sure that was supposed to be the killer in 711.

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    • Bottondoro wrote:
      Are we sure that the killer and the black leather gloves hands that cut the hair are the same person? Maybe there is a killer (who can be anybody but lucy, and Gothel Who is clearly worried about these deaths) and somebody who catches the chance to take what he needs from the victims at the right time. And I think the lattest could be Baron Samedi.

      Would be weird if the killer and the hair cutter were not the same person, because how would the hair cutter know when to come collect the hair, if they weren't the killer?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Bottondoro wrote:
      Are we sure that the killer and the black leather gloves hands that cut the hair are the same person? Maybe there is a killer (who can be anybody but lucy, and Gothel Who is clearly worried about these deaths) and somebody who catches the chance to take what he needs from the victims at the right time. And I think the lattest could be Baron Samedi.
      Would be weird if the killer and the hair cutter were not the same person, because how would the hair cutter know when to come collect the hair, if they weren't the killer?

      The hair cutter could be working with the killer and could have been cursed to be a hair cutting connoisseur.

      Not that I think there are two people though.

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    • I am not sure the killer and the hair cutter are two, but it could be, because baron samdi is the lora of the dead, and he knows when somebody dies, for he brings the soul to the underworld in haitian woodoo (and he can also bring dead people back to life, as we've seen for Naveen). But I am pretty sure he is the one who is collecting the witches hair, because he knows what to do with, and it's the contact magic that is used in woodoo rituals.

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    • I didn't consider that, but it makes a lot of sense for them to be two separate people!

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    • Saintfighteraqua wrote: I didn't consider that, but it makes a lot of sense for them to be two separate people!

      Not really. Nothing denotes any time delay or multiple people at the scene.

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    • Okay guys, i have just found a piece of evidence that makes this theory believable and possible. Jack is absent during pratically every episode of 7B so far (except for that little cameo in "Secret Garden"), and he is appearing in "Sisterhood", which is apparently a coven-centric (it makes sense to reveal the killer in that episode). I wonder if this has something to do with Drizella's exit though.

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    • Yeah, that’s all we have for Jack unless he really is a nobody.

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    • And right behind them, Tom Thumb and Thumbelina!

      I think Jack is Tom Thumb.  Breadcrumbs can refer to his story, Branson can be an allusion to the trick he uses to let his 7 brothers free: the ogre has 7 daughters (7, like the other members of the coven) and they die beheaded.

      Has anybody noticed the star wars ruckpack in wonderland?

      Henry and Jack have similar tastes. Had Jack been in wonderland? if he had, he can also someway be or have the Vorpal sword!

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    • Funny, I just read Tom Thumb for the first time in years a few nights ago. I like your theory but since Tom Thumb's story is so onscure (his character oddly enough is well known) I don't know if they'd do that. If they do imdeed combine his story with Jack's it could make some sense. 

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    • I hope if this theory does come true, Jack's motivations are well written and explained. For what we've actually seen of him, he really doesn't act like a killer. "Henry Mills is a father!"

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    • I've just discovered that in a Disney movie that mixes Rapunzel, Cinderella, Red Hood and Jack and the magic beans, called "into the woods" , Jack's beans are from Gothel's garden. I also think Jack and Henry met in wonderland, and maybe "Jack" is one of the cards spades, so "branson" may mean something.

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    • Bottondoro wrote:
      I've just discovered that in a Disney movie that mixes Rapunzel, Cinderella, Red Hood and Jack and the magic beans, called "into the woods" , Jack's beans are from Gothel's garden.

      I also think Jack and Henry met in wonderland, and maybe "Jack" is one of the cards spades, so "branson" may mean something.

      I would be pretty surprised if the writers brought the musical Into the Woods into this, but Jack's involvement with Gothel's garden would make sense if they bring in the beans. Maybe Gothel is responsible for the plethora of magic beans in the New Enchanted Forest?

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    • And the beans in this season, as we noticed, have different shapes and are vertical

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      Bottondoro wrote:
      I've just discovered that in a Disney movie that mixes Rapunzel, Cinderella, Red Hood and Jack and the magic beans, called "into the woods" , Jack's beans are from Gothel's garden.

      I also think Jack and Henry met in wonderland, and maybe "Jack" is one of the cards spades, so "branson" may mean something.

      I would be pretty surprised if the writers brought the musical Into the Woods into this, but Jack's involvement with Gothel's garden would make sense if they bring in the beans. Maybe Gothel is responsible for the plethora of magic beans in the New Enchanted Forest?

      People have brought up almost all the stories from Into The Woods have shown up this season. It wouldn't be surprising if that was partially how they decided what to do this season.

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    • I'm on board with Jack being the witch hunter, although I'm not going to commit myself to him being Hansel since we've already had Rapunzel Tremaine pull a similar "she's two characters at once!!!" twist.

      I think we can safely rule Facilier out now. 714 made it pretty clear that he was a red herring. The promo, press release, and even the episode itself heavily implied he was killing witches, but when we get the big reveal, he's actually after Rumple. They wouldn't do an episode where Regina tries to find out what Facilier's hiding, have a surprising reveal about what he's hiding, and then a couple of episodes later reveal he was also hiding something else. Also, in 715's promo, the killer's neck is clearly Caucasian. This also rules out Naveen.

      I'd be willing to bet we'll find out who the killer is in 715. We know the killer will attack Drizella thanks to the promo. The backstory is somehow connected to the coven. And Nick, after missing "his" daughter's miraculous recovery, is making a sudden reappearance where... he goes to an arcade with Henry and Rogers? Seems very out of place, especially given his irrelevance thus far.

      I could buy him being Hansel since 716 is titled Breadcrumbs. It makes sense -- in 715, we find out that he's hunting witches, and then in 716, we find out why.

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    • We knew the Witch Killer would go after Drizella at some point, because she is a witch from the coven, but I expected it to happen after killing more of the coven witches in 7x11, 7x12, 7x13 and 7x14. 

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    • Dang it, guys! We're starting to think like the writers! This is the second shocking, unbelievable twist that we've predicted this season.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote: Dang it, guys! We're starting to think like the writers! This is the second shocking, unbelievable twist that we've predicted this season.

      Guess we can start producing season 8 now!

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote: I'm on board with Jack being the witch hunter, although I'm not going to commit myself to him being Hansel since we've already had Rapunzel Tremaine pull a similar "she's two characters at once!!!" twist.

      I think we can safely rule Facilier out now. 714 made it pretty clear that he was a red herring. The promo, press release, and even the episode itself heavily implied he was killing witches, but when we get the big reveal, he's actually after Rumple. They wouldn't do an episode where Regina tries to find out what Facilier's hiding, have a surprising reveal about what he's hiding, and then a couple of episodes later reveal he was also hiding something else. Also, in 715's promo, the killer's neck is clearly Caucasian. This also rules out Naveen.

      I'd be willing to bet we'll find out who the killer is in 715. We know the killer will attack Drizella thanks to the promo. The backstory is somehow connected to the coven. And Nick, after missing "his" daughter's miraculous recovery, is making a sudden reappearance where... he goes to an arcade with Henry and Rogers? Seems very out of place, especially given his irrelevance thus far.

      I could buy him being Hansel since 716 is titled Breadcrumbs. It makes sense -- in 715, we find out that he's hunting witches, and then in 716, we find out why.


      I think that what they do sell in that shop is a hint.

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    • Hey! Gretel in 7x15! Hansel theory strenghtens... That horrible boy mask, the candies sent to the victims... Desk sergeant in the episode also. He resembles the mask... What if poor Jack is innocent and the killer is this frustrated guy? Witch hunter/policeman, not a lawyer. I don't know why, but since the scene in Pretty in blue in which Nick/Jack and Henry talked friendly, I imagined a gay affair between those two. Any clues?

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    • Bottondoro wrote: Hey! Gretel in 7x15! Hansel theory strenghtens... That horrible boy mask, the candies sent to the victims... Desk sergeant in the episode also. He resembles the mask... What if poor Jack is innocent and the killer is this frustrated guy? Witch hunter/policeman, not a lawyer. I don't know why, but since the scene in Pretty in blue in which Nick/Jack and Henry talked friendly, I imagined a gay affair between those two. Any clues?

      Desk Seargent's frame doesn't match the killer.

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    • I saw a theory on YouTube that Anastasia is the Candy Killer. Thoughts?

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: I saw a theory on YouTube that Anastasia is the Candy Killer. Thoughts?

      Link?

      It’s obviously unlikely as Ana was mindwiped and sent to bed or whatever and had no way of getting to the Hospital in time. Plus, Ana doesn’t even know how modern appliances work, let alone body frame, etc.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      I saw a theory on YouTube that Anastasia is the Candy Killer. Thoughts?

      Doesn't match the frame at all

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote: I saw a theory on YouTube that Anastasia is the Candy Killer. Thoughts?

      Link?

      It’s obviously unlikely as Ana was mindwiped and sent to bed or whatever and had no way of getting to the Hospital in time. Plus, Ana doesn’t even know how modern appliances work, let alone body frame, etc.

      Wasn’t a video, just a comment. But here: https://youtu.be/7uIFxdqgaCc

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Dang it, guys! We're starting to think like the writers! This is the second shocking, unbelievable twist that we've predicted this season.

      I've been in Adam and Eddy's brains for way too long. XD

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    • Also, what do you guys think Candy Killer means? Or wait nevermind is it because they all got hearts? Just remembered that

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      Also, what do you guys think Candy Killer means? Or wait nevermind is it because they all got hearts? Just remembered that

      Yep, besides the obvious connection to Hansel (he always eats something from the Gingerbread House, which awaken the witch).

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    • My first choice was Remy.... But he's not in the episode :( Why does Rogers arrest Drew?

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    • Bottondoro wrote:
      My first choice was Remy.... But he's not in the episode :(

      Why does Rogers arrest Drew?

      None of this is relevant to the theory.

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    • I also like the Hansel theory. But it should be relevant if Hansel is another character or if the killer is somebody else... Here is the link for Drew being arrested (suspected of??) http://www.hollywoodnorth.buzz/2018/02/season-7-once-upon-a-times-detective-rogers-colin-odonoghue-chases-a-perp.html

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    • Bottondoro wrote:
      I also like the Hansel theory. But it should be relevant if Hansel is another character or if the killer is somebody else...

      Here is the link for Drew being arrested (suspected of??) http://www.hollywoodnorth.buzz/2018/02/season-7-once-upon-a-times-detective-rogers-colin-odonoghue-chases-a-perp.html

      Drew getting arrested could be a seperate plot from the killer. There is more than one type of crime you can get arrested for.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Bottondoro wrote:
      I also like the Hansel theory. But it should be relevant if Hansel is another character or if the killer is somebody else...

      Here is the link for Drew being arrested (suspected of??) http://www.hollywoodnorth.buzz/2018/02/season-7-once-upon-a-times-detective-rogers-colin-odonoghue-chases-a-perp.html

      Drew getting arrested could be a seperate plot from the killer. There is more than one type of crime you can get arrested for.

      We already know Drew is working for Facilier, and we know Facilier is after Rumple. Presumably, Drew did something related to that.

      Regardless, though, the Candy Killer is very clearly Caucasian. It was one thing for the brief glimpse of his arm in 711, but his neck is very clearly and purposefully visible now. If it was still a stand-in and they just didn't have someone with Drew's skin tone available, they would have covered his neck.

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    • I think the Drew plot is totally about the Candy Killer plot

      There storyline is already way too complicated and there is a lot going on to give Rogers another plot. His storyline in 7B is about the coven and the killer.

      I think this Drew thing is a red herring. Something will point to him as being the killer after Ivy is attacked

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    • I think that maybe he was on the crime scene because he was sent there to Cut the witches' hair. I am not doing any deduction on the killer, because we do not have any fact, only theories.

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    • Well, looks like this is basically confirmed at this point. And we have the reasoning too. Hansel was both tramatized and burned as a child by the Blind Witch, and then later Drizella (at Gothel's whim) killed Gretel. Makes sense he would want all the coven witches dead.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Well, looks like this is basically confirmed at this point. And we have the reasoning too. Hansel was both tramatized and burned as a child by the Blind Witch, and then later Drizella (at Gothel's whim) killed Gretel. Makes sense he would want all the coven witches dead.

      I wonder how he feels about Regina. I don't think he'd want to kill her, since he knows Regina didn't want to cast the curse. 

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    • It seems like he's not just after the Coven, though. At least, Facilier doesn't think so. He thinks he's in trouble, too, which could mean Jack hates witches in general.

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    • He wants to kill Henry to "get" Jacinda now? Poor Henry, he just can't catch a break...

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      He wants to kill Henry to "get" Jacinda now? Poor Henry, he just can't catch a break...

      Maybe he wants Henry to be close, but not die. Plus, he probably isn't too smart. I mean, he poisoned a doctor and killed a blind woman and lost a fight with Ivy. He's more mad than intelligent.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      He wants to kill Henry to "get" Jacinda now? Poor Henry, he just can't catch a break...

      Maybe he wants Henry to be close, but not die. Plus, he probably isn't too smart. I mean, he poisoned a doctor and killed a blind woman and lost a fight with Ivy. He's more mad than intelligent.

      To give him credit he managed to keep his identity a secret from the detectives and his friends in 2 realms, both as Hansel and as the killer. Are the heroes even dumber (as per Once tradition), or he is okay smart?

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      He wants to kill Henry to "get" Jacinda now? Poor Henry, he just can't catch a break...

      Maybe he wants Henry to be close, but not die. Plus, he probably isn't too smart. I mean, he poisoned a doctor and killed a blind woman and lost a fight with Ivy. He's more mad than intelligent.

      To give him credit he managed to keep his identity a secret from the detectives and his friends in 2 realms, both as Hansel and as the killer. Are the heroes even dumber (as per Once tradition), or he is okay smart?

      Well, he opened his trunk while Rogers was right next to the car and talking about a Candy Killer when only the police call him that according to Rogers. Bold or foolish, I don’t know.

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    • I think "Jack" (Hansel) is trying to avenge the death of Gretel, which members of the coven are responsible for. 

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      He wants to kill Henry to "get" Jacinda now? Poor Henry, he just can't catch a break...
      Maybe he wants Henry to be close, but not die. Plus, he probably isn't too smart.

      I mean, he poisoned a doctor and killed a blind woman and lost a fight with Ivy. He's more mad than intelligent.

      To give him credit he managed to keep his identity a secret from the detectives and his friends in 2 realms, both as Hansel and as the killer. Are the heroes even dumber (as per Once tradition), or he is okay smart?

      Well, he opened his trunk while Rogers was right next to the car and talking about a Candy Killer when only the police call him that according to Rogers. Bold or foolish, I don’t know.

      I think saying the candy killer part was pretty silly too, but he could just know because of the press or something. The trunk part I can tolerate since Rogers didn't suspect a thing anyways, and was in the opposite direction.

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:


      Eskaver wrote:


      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      He wants to kill Henry to "get" Jacinda now? Poor Henry, he just can't catch a break...
      Maybe he wants Henry to be close, but not die. Plus, he probably isn't too smart.

      I mean, he poisoned a doctor and killed a blind woman and lost a fight with Ivy. He's more mad than intelligent.

      To give him credit he managed to keep his identity a secret from the detectives and his friends in 2 realms, both as Hansel and as the killer. Are the heroes even dumber (as per Once tradition), or he is okay smart?
      Well, he opened his trunk while Rogers was right next to the car and talking about a Candy Killer when only the police call him that according to Rogers. Bold or foolish, I don’t know.
      I think saying the candy killer part was pretty silly too, but he could just know because of the press or something. The trunk part I can tolerate since Rogers didn't suspect a thing anyways, and was in the opposite direction.

      Ivy also called him the Candy Killer, so the nickname was known by the citizens of Hyperion Heights. Also, we didn't see the entirety of their conversation at the pool table. Rogers might have called him the Candy Killer then.

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    • Yeah, I guess it was common knowledge but I’m sure Rogers said the cops were calling him that and it didn’t feel like enough time had passed for it to be widespread, but I guess it must have been.

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    • I'm curious to how many people outside of this wiki expected Nick/Jack/Hansel to be the killer. I think I saw like, maybe two comments on YouTube, but then there's also a reviewer who expected it too! (tvfanatic)

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    • So Nick/Jack is the witch Hunter, and probably a crazy burnt Hansel. He has got 3 candy boxes left in his car. To whom are these candies destined?

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    • Bottondoro wrote: So Nick/Jack is the witch Hunter, and probably a crazy burnt Hansel. He has got 3 candy boxes left in his car. To whom are these candies destined?

      The two unknown witches and Eloise.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Bottondoro wrote: So Nick/Jack is the witch Hunter, and probably a crazy burnt Hansel. He has got 3 candy boxes left in his car. To whom are these candies destined?

      The two unknown witches and Eloise.

      Does that mean the dead woman was Leota's counterpart then?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Bottondoro wrote: So Nick/Jack is the witch Hunter, and probably a crazy burnt Hansel. He has got 3 candy boxes left in his car. To whom are these candies destined?

      The two unknown witches and Eloise.

      Does that mean the dead woman was Leota's counterpart then?

      I theorized so and I’m sticking with it. Hoffs-Drawlar being a funeral home from Lost (after all, Once has Mr. Cluck’s) having a flower shop, getting those chocolates is enough evidence for me.

      I mean, it’s set up like Eloise on a goose chase but maybe she didn’t. It helps Eloise from looking like she is sabotaging her own Coven.

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    • What Dead woman? Did I miss something?

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    • So, who is Dr. Sage? What is her EF counterpart?

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:
      What Dead woman? Did I miss something?

      In 713 a box of the chocolates was sent to a flower shop, when Hook asked about the woman who owned the shop, her husband said she has been dead for several years.

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    • 123Raura wrote:
      So, who is Dr. Sage? What is her EF counterpart?

      That's the million dollar question right now.

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    • And theory 100% confirmed. Still enjoyed watching the reveal!

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    • I was wrong. Watched and paused the shot. FIVE candy boxes (including the one sent to Zelina). 3 already delivered: Leota, Sage and Hilda.

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    • Bottondoro wrote:
      I was wrong. Watched and paused the shot. FIVE candy boxes (including the one sent to Zelina). 3 already delivered: Leota, Sage and Hilda.

      Ivy also got a box.

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    • Leota have a box ? Which episode ?

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    • RumpleRegina wrote:
      Leota have a box ? Which episode ?

      It is speculated the box sent to the dead woman was for Leota.

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    • So...do we think Hansel was also Jack? I mean Drizzy went all Meta (which made no sense) and said so.

      I did say perhaps Giantess was a witch. I don’t know but his NFTL says seem a bit odd.

      So, Hansel and Gretel parted ways. Hansel steals some good stuff and Facilier discovers him. So, Facilier sells Hansel some snake oil—-I mean, some magic beans (which he has because everyone has one at this point). He steals more be cause...banditry. Eventually runs into Henry.

      I’m missing where he is so deranged. It really feels like he was pretty normal in NFTL at all points with the occasional banditry. Either Nick was triggered by something (wasn’t Zelena, for sure) or nooone told the actor, “Hey, you might be playing some sort of character.”

      Also, Dr. Sage must have been drinking too many key lime margaritas in the witchy day’s because everybody’s apparently awake in this curse. Or is crazy the cure to avoid the curse?

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    • Maybe they just didn't tell him. Both Rose and Adelaide had no idea about certain reveals of their characters, Rose didn't know that Alice was Whook's daughter and Adelaide didn't know that Drizella being awake. Could be the same thing with Nick.

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    • Calibaz wrote:
      Maybe they just didn't tell him. Both Rose and Adelaide had no idea about certain reveals of their characters, Rose didn't know that Alice was Whook's daughter and Adelaide didn't know that Drizella being awake. Could be the same thing with Nick.

      They really shoot themselves in the foot when they do that... I think I remember interviews saying Marian's actress didn't know she was Zelena, either. It's okay on some things, like Alice being Nook's daughter since they didn't interact until after the reveal (and while they were under the curse), but other things like Drizella being awake, Nick being a murderer, and Marian being Zelena are very important to how the actress plays the role.

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    • Calibaz wrote: Maybe they just didn't tell him. Both Rose and Adelaide had no idea about certain reveals of their characters, Rose didn't know that Alice was Whook's daughter and Adelaide didn't know that Drizella being awake. Could be the same thing with Nick.

      I think so (trying to not have my pessimistic side too much sway). It’s like watching those pre-season 1 interviews in which it was all a bunch of vague “interview” language and pretty telling. Did Once fire the oversight person before season 4? From Emma “losing control of her magic, again” to Marian being Zelena to Rumple’s spastic planning and false definitions to inserting flashbacks within flashbacks to Rumple Jekyll-Hyde-ing out one writer makes him sympathetic and the other evil every other episode.

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