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  • Sigh. Adam and Eddy are now claiming the show will end with 156 episodes, with 12 remaining in this season, S7. http://ew.com/tv/2018/02/06/once-upon-a-time-ending-season-7-series-finale/ The only way this makes sense is if "Smash the Mirror" is considered 2 episodes again. Basically, when it suited the show best for it to be 1 episode so that the 5B premiere could be billed as the "100th" episode, it was considered 1 episode. Now that it suits the show best to say they had as many episodes as possible, it's considered 2 episodes. Color me unimpressed -_- 

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    • Unless there is another 2 parts episode in 7B


      But this wouldn't be something new. Some shows have promoted episodes as milestones while they actually aren't.

      The Simpsons come to my mind. They promoted the episode with Tony Hawk as the 300th episode but it actually was like the 302. 

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    • Smash The Mirror is technically one episode, but it is two episodes worth of content, so yeah, they did 156 episodes technically, but really it is 155 with one being 2 hours long. Since that is weird to write out, it makes more sense when talking about amount to say they did 156 episodes.

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    • Smash the Mirror is two episodes. It had always been two episodes just like "Operation Mongoose" and "The Final Battle". It is really not different than those episodes and you don't number the episodes according to production code.

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    • I also think it's 2 episodes.

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    • We're not going back to that.

      512 is the 100th episode. It works if STM is 1 ep, and by production codes, it is one episode.

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    • DeviousPeep wrote: I hate hate HATE to be this person because I'm 100% against 4x08 being two episodes, but have y'all seen this?

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970015461600456704

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970016832315801600

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970017644718903296

      At this point, let's just ignore him.

      512 is the 100th ep and 717 is the 150th one. Can't work if 408 is 2 eps

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      DeviousPeep wrote: I hate hate HATE to be this person because I'm 100% against 4x08 being two episodes, but have y'all seen this?

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970015461600456704

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970016832315801600

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970017644718903296

      At this point, let's just ignore him.

      512 is the 100th ep and 717 is the 150th one. Can't work if 408 is 2 eps

      I'll vote in favor of that! At the end of the day I don't think 4x08 will ever have a clear consensus, and 5x12 and 7x17 make better 100th and 150th episodes. Just wanted to make sure all the information was here.

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    • DeviousPeep wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:

      DeviousPeep wrote: I hate hate HATE to be this person because I'm 100% against 4x08 being two episodes, but have y'all seen this?

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970015461600456704

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970016832315801600

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970017644718903296

      At this point, let's just ignore him.

      512 is the 100th ep and 717 is the 150th one. Can't work if 408 is 2 eps

      I'll vote in favor of that! At the end of the day I don't think 4x08 will ever have a clear consensus, and 5x12 and 7x17 make better 100th and 150th episodes. Just wanted to make sure all the information was here.

      It is also the fact that these eps were promoted as the 100th ep. 512 is the ep they aired at the 100th ep party.

      And EVEN ADAM said that 717 was the 150th so...

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      DeviousPeep wrote: I hate hate HATE to be this person because I'm 100% against 4x08 being two episodes, but have y'all seen this?

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970015461600456704

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970016832315801600

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970017644718903296

      At this point, let's just ignore him.

      512 is the 100th ep and 717 is the 150th one. Can't work if 408 is 2 eps

      So now we are ignoring him?!? Why? Because that fits better to what you want?! For years I've said that was how network television works and that Adam does whatever he wants and you kept on and on that whatever he said counts more than what has been done on network television for years! Even on the show we have the examples of Operation Mongoose and The Final Battle, which are formatted exactly like Smash the Mirror!

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    • Farerb wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:

      DeviousPeep wrote: I hate hate HATE to be this person because I'm 100% against 4x08 being two episodes, but have y'all seen this?

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970015461600456704

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970016832315801600

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970017644718903296

      At this point, let's just ignore him.

      512 is the 100th ep and 717 is the 150th one. Can't work if 408 is 2 eps

      So now we are ignoring him?!? Why? Because that fits better to what you want?! For years I've said that was how network television works and that Adam does whatever he wants and you kept on and on that whatever he said counts more than what has been done on network television for years! Even on the show we have the examples of Operation Mongoose and The Final Battle, which are formatted exactly like Smash the Mirror!

      Yes, now we're ignoring him; and yes, it is because it fits better with the rest of our basic facts.

      Basic facts like 512 is the 100th ep, and 717 is the 150th one. Both have been promoted like that, and even Adam adressed these eps like this :)

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:

      DeviousPeep wrote: I hate hate HATE to be this person because I'm 100% against 4x08 being two episodes, but have y'all seen this?

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970015461600456704

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970016832315801600

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970017644718903296

      At this point, let's just ignore him.

      512 is the 100th ep and 717 is the 150th one. Can't work if 408 is 2 eps

      So now we are ignoring him?!? Why? Because that fits better to what you want?! For years I've said that was how network television works and that Adam does whatever he wants and you kept on and on that whatever he said counts more than what has been done on network television for years! Even on the show we have the examples of Operation Mongoose and The Final Battle, which are formatted exactly like Smash the Mirror!

      Yes, now we're ignoring him; and yes, it is because it fits better with the rest of our basic facts.

      Basic facts like 512 is the 100th ep, and 717 is the 150th one. Both have been promoted like that, and even Adam adressed these eps like this :)

      Basic facts are that STM is formatted exactly like other episodes in the series, it was aired in two different nights in some countries and it is even split in various streaming devices, while nobody cares how episode 512 was promoted.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:

      DeviousPeep wrote: I hate hate HATE to be this person because I'm 100% against 4x08 being two episodes, but have y'all seen this?

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970015461600456704

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970016832315801600

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970017644718903296

      At this point, let's just ignore him.

      512 is the 100th ep and 717 is the 150th one. Can't work if 408 is 2 eps

      So now we are ignoring him?!? Why? Because that fits better to what you want?! For years I've said that was how network television works and that Adam does whatever he wants and you kept on and on that whatever he said counts more than what has been done on network television for years! Even on the show we have the examples of Operation Mongoose and The Final Battle, which are formatted exactly like Smash the Mirror!

      Yes, now we're ignoring him; and yes, it is because it fits better with the rest of our basic facts.

      Basic facts like 512 is the 100th ep, and 717 is the 150th one. Both have been promoted like that, and even Adam adressed these eps like this :)

      Basic facts are that STM is formatted exactly like other episodes in the series, it was aired in two different nights in some countries and it is even split in various streaming devices, while nobody cares how episode 512 was promoted.

      Actually, I'm pretty certain people care more about the 100th ep than STM ^^

      If you ask people, what's the 100th episode of the series, they'll answer 512. Because it IS the 100th episode, because Adam himself said so at multiple occasions, because the ep was promoted like that by medias & ABC, and because they literally did a 100th ep party for this one :)

      Other countries air the show like they want, it is not of our problem. OUAT is a US show, and we're following the US airing :)

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:

      DeviousPeep wrote: I hate hate HATE to be this person because I'm 100% against 4x08 being two episodes, but have y'all seen this?

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970015461600456704

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970016832315801600

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970017644718903296

      At this point, let's just ignore him.

      512 is the 100th ep and 717 is the 150th one. Can't work if 408 is 2 eps

      So now we are ignoring him?!? Why? Because that fits better to what you want?! For years I've said that was how network television works and that Adam does whatever he wants and you kept on and on that whatever he said counts more than what has been done on network television for years! Even on the show we have the examples of Operation Mongoose and The Final Battle, which are formatted exactly like Smash the Mirror!

      Yes, now we're ignoring him; and yes, it is because it fits better with the rest of our basic facts.

      Basic facts like 512 is the 100th ep, and 717 is the 150th one. Both have been promoted like that, and even Adam adressed these eps like this :)

      Basic facts are that STM is formatted exactly like other episodes in the series, it was aired in two different nights in some countries and it is even split in various streaming devices, while nobody cares how episode 512 was promoted.

      Actually, I'm pretty certain people care more about the 100th ep than STM ^^

      If you ask people, what's the 100th episode of the series, they'll answer 512. Because it IS the 100th episode, because Adam himself said so at multiple occasions, because the ep was promoted like that by medias & ABC, and because they literally did a 100th ep party for this one :)

      Other countries air the show like they want, it is not of our problem. OUAT is a US show, and we're following the US airing :)

      Yeah, sure Disregard foreign fans as not important.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:

      DeviousPeep wrote: I hate hate HATE to be this person because I'm 100% against 4x08 being two episodes, but have y'all seen this?

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970015461600456704

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970016832315801600

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970017644718903296

      At this point, let's just ignore him.

      512 is the 100th ep and 717 is the 150th one. Can't work if 408 is 2 eps

      So now we are ignoring him?!? Why? Because that fits better to what you want?! For years I've said that was how network television works and that Adam does whatever he wants and you kept on and on that whatever he said counts more than what has been done on network television for years! Even on the show we have the examples of Operation Mongoose and The Final Battle, which are formatted exactly like Smash the Mirror!

      Yes, now we're ignoring him; and yes, it is because it fits better with the rest of our basic facts.

      Basic facts like 512 is the 100th ep, and 717 is the 150th one. Both have been promoted like that, and even Adam adressed these eps like this :)

      Basic facts are that STM is formatted exactly like other episodes in the series, it was aired in two different nights in some countries and it is even split in various streaming devices, while nobody cares how episode 512 was promoted.

      Actually, I'm pretty certain people care more about the 100th ep than STM ^^

      If you ask people, what's the 100th episode of the series, they'll answer 512. Because it IS the 100th episode, because Adam himself said so at multiple occasions, because the ep was promoted like that by medias & ABC, and because they literally did a 100th ep party for this one :)

      Other countries air the show like they want, it is not of our problem. OUAT is a US show, and we're following the US airing :)

      Yeah, sure Disregard foreign fans as not important.

      Don't start to pretend that I said that, because I did not.

      I do not disregard foreign fans; I AM a foreign fan.

      I disregard foreign airings. Like we always did. So yeah, other countries can air the series and promote it how they want, it has zero importance for us. If they want to go and say 512 is not the 100th, fine for them, but they're wrong.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      DeviousPeep wrote: I hate hate HATE to be this person because I'm 100% against 4x08 being two episodes, but have y'all seen this?

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970015461600456704

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970016832315801600

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/970017644718903296

      At this point, let's just ignore him.

      512 is the 100th ep and 717 is the 150th one. Can't work if 408 is 2 eps

      The problem is Adam wants this to be true, but he also wants to say Once is 156 episodes. I split the difference and say Once is 155 episodes, but 156 hours, because one episode that was supposed to just be an hour was extended into two hours. Actually, we should probably explain it that way on the wiki, because that is the most accurate statement of what happened and why it is like that. That way, it still keeps true what is the 100th and 150th episodes, which are clearly written/directed to be milestone episodes (and 101th being the first time Cruella reappears, which is also important I think).

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    • Not to bring up a month old convo but the DVD also counts them as 2 episodes. On the back it says there are 23 episodes.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote: Not to bring up a month old convo but the DVD also counts them as 2 episodes. On the back it says there are 23 episodes.

      That discussion is closed, and we're not coming back on it.

      We already decided that DVD and marketing would not be taken into consideration for this decision.

      512 is the 100th ep, 715 is the 150th ep.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote: Not to bring up a month old convo but the DVD also counts them as 2 episodes. On the back it says there are 23 episodes.

      That discussion is closed, and we're not coming back on it.

      We already decided that DVD and marketing would not be taken into consideration for this decision.

      512 is the 100th ep, 715 is the 150th ep.

      I didn’t think a discussion was closed until the thread was... I get what everyone is saying but I also think we should take into consideration that Adam, the DVD/BluRay and Netflix are all saying 23😕Maybe 5x12 was the 100th produced episode or something like that.

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    • RedCoatOfficial wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:

      RedCoatOfficial wrote: Not to bring up a month old convo but the DVD also counts them as 2 episodes. On the back it says there are 23 episodes.

      That discussion is closed, and we're not coming back on it.

      We already decided that DVD and marketing would not be taken into consideration for this decision.

      512 is the 100th ep, 715 is the 150th ep.

      I didn’t think a discussion was closed until the thread was... I get what everyone is saying but I also think we should take into consideration that Adam, the DVD/BluRay and Netflix are all saying 23😕Maybe 5x12 was the 100th produced episode or something like that.

      We're not going back on that ^^ 512 was announced by Adam, writers and ABC as the 100th ep. They promoted it as the 100th ep.

      That's all :)

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    • I think that people are still not getting how it worked.

      The Final Battle/Operation Mongoose/etc: Two episodes aired on the same night. (2 episodes) 

      Smash the Mirror: A two-hour episode. (1 episode)

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    • STM is 1 episode.

      Despite that, I do think that we should add those tweets in the season page at least (perhaps even the show), making it clear that the count varies, but 512 and 717 are supposed to be the 100th and 150th.

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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