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    Episode airing
    00:00, April 14, 2018

    https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/953459793942859776

    Directed by the Evil Queen herself! And this is also the 150th episode of the series, so... maybe something special could happen? Who knows. Speculate away!

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    • I think it has to do with The Guardian. Also, I think it’s amazing they are letting Lana direct! I’m glad that they are hiring more women directors.

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    • I've honestly never heard of #150 being a special number, lol. 

      But yeah, it does sound Guardian related. Would be a good time in the episode order to start really piecing that plot together.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:
      I think it has to do with The Guardian.

      Seems likely. It might be Rumple's exit from the series, too.

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    • No need for Rumple to exit in this ep. Maybe they just introduce the Guardian, but Rumple thinks he needs to finish helping Henry and everyone with the Gothel problem and stick to the finale.

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    • Wicked Wizard of the West wrote:
      No need for Rumple to exit in this ep. Maybe they just introduce the Guardian, but Rumple thinks he needs to finish helping Henry and everyone with the Gothel problem and stick to the finale.

      Well, the Guardian has already been "introduced" twice -- Alice was strongly hinted to be the Guardian in Beauty, and Anastasia was outright confirmed to be the Guardian in The Eighth Witch. The Guardian needs to do something notable in their next central episode, especially if we have 711-716 where they aren't doing anything. That could be taking Rumple's power, or it could be killing Gothel, or it could be something wildly unpredictable. But if we get another episode of "hey this person is/might be/will eventually be The Guardian!!!" that doesn't amount to anything... bleh.

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    • Wicked Wizard of the West wrote: No need for Rumple to exit in this ep. Maybe they just introduce the Guardian, but Rumple thinks he needs to finish helping Henry and everyone with the Gothel problem and stick to the finale.

      I agree, it would be too close to other character’s exits. It would be Tremaine, Drizella, then Rumple in the span of seven episodes.

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    • I don't know how to feel about Lana directing. (Sort of feel like this was apart of contract negotiations. Guess it's fine to branch out and to get as much out of something that you can)

      Paul Karp and Brian Ridings are writing, so I'm guessing this is a major villain episode.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      Well, the Guardian has already been "introduced" twice -- Alice was strongly hinted to be the Guardian in Beauty, and Anastasia was outright confirmed to be the Guardian in The Eighth Witch. The Guardian needs to do something notable in their next central episode, especially if we have 711-716 where they aren't doing anything. That could be taking Rumple's power, or it could be killing Gothel, or it could be something wildly unpredictable. But if we get another episode of "hey this person is/might be/will eventually be The Guardian!!!" that doesn't amount to anything... bleh.

      The TRUE Guardian, that's what I meant. In this episode we might know his/her identity

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    • TheRose123 wrote:

      Wicked Wizard of the West wrote: No need for Rumple to exit in this ep. Maybe they just introduce the Guardian, but Rumple thinks he needs to finish helping Henry and everyone with the Gothel problem and stick to the finale.

      I agree, it would be too close to other character’s exits. It would be Tremaine, Drizella, then Rumple in the span of seven episodes.

      Well... he's almost certain to leave by episode 722. So it's going to be three characters in the span of eleven episodes anyway. I don't see why seven is that much worse.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Wicked Wizard of the West wrote:
      No need for Rumple to exit in this ep. Maybe they just introduce the Guardian, but Rumple thinks he needs to finish helping Henry and everyone with the Gothel problem and stick to the finale.
      Well, the Guardian has already been "introduced" twice -- Alice was strongly hinted to be the Guardian in Beauty, and Anastasia was outright confirmed to be the Guardian in The Eighth Witch. The Guardian needs to do something notable in their next central episode, especially if we have 711-716 where they aren't doing anything. That could be taking Rumple's power, or it could be killing Gothel, or it could be something wildly unpredictable. But if we get another episode of "hey this person is/might be/will eventually be The Guardian!!!" that doesn't amount to anything... bleh.

      I don't think Rumple is going to exit right after he finds out who the real Guardian is. 

      And if we are to assume he dies during the present day, I'm pretty sure they're not going to frame it as a suicide and have him ask the guardian finish him off - he'll likely have to stick around to be killed off as a major plot point. (Sacrifice for Alice...who might be the Guardian?)

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    • Paul Karp previously wrote Mother's Little Helper's teleplay and was a writing assistant for all of Season 5 and 6 (besides MLH).

      I don't recognize Brian Ridings's name and he doesn't seem to have a page on the wiki, so I don't know if he's written for the show before.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Paul Karp previously wrote Mother's Little Helper's teleplay and was a writing assistant for all of Season 5 and 6 (besides MLH).

      I don't recognize Brian Ridings's name and he doesn't seem to have a page on the wiki, so I don't know if he's written for the show before.

      Brian Ridings was a co-writer on the "Changelings" episode in 6A.

      So something they both have in common is a Rumple-related centric.

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    • Eskaver
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    • Maybe this is a Gothel centric?

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    • Cool that they have Lana directing the 150th episode. The title still fits with my theory that this will be a Henry-centric (he was chosen to be the Author), so I'm sticking with that right now.

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    • Seems to be about the guardian.

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    • I'm so happy that Lana is directing! She can do anything!

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    • It's definitely a special episode as we predicted, they are probably celebrating the 150th episode since they won't get to 200th, it's understandable. The question is whether there will be returning guests or not, but it's important storywise, like Souls of the Departed was, even though that was more special, with a dozen of people between returning characters and cameos.

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    • TV shows are always celebrating the 150th ep, but mostly off-screen. Not a lot of shows made big special returns or something like that for the 150th ep.

      That's a possibility for sure. But, people should not expect big returns or big guest stars for this ep. Not like 512.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: It's definitely a special episode as we predicted, they are probably celebrating the 150th episode since they won't get to 200th, it's understandable. The question is whether there will be returning guests or not, but it's important storywise, like Souls of the Departed was, even though that was more special, with a dozen of people between returning characters and cameos.

      Don’t jinx it. I would want OUAT to have a Season 8 and 9

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    • While I won't expect anything I hope for one or two special references at least or a guest appearance from someone of the earlier seasons.

      Charmed for example brought Cole back for the 150th episode and Desperate Housewives referenced the Pilot in a very specific way in theirs. So there is definitely a possibilty, especially if the writers have in mind that it could be their last "milestone" before the series finale. 

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    • LANA IS DIRECTING!!!! eeeeekkkkkk wow im hyped for this one. You know I wa actually thinking about her directing at least one the other day, I love her so much and I'm finally getting to see her direct an episode of my favorite show!!!! 

      About the plot, I'm hoping this is when we finally learn about the Guardians true identity. 

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    • So, somebody is going to be chosen, as the chosen one then? A big identity reveal episode then :)

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    • ShadowLian wrote: (...) Desperate Housewives referenced the Pilot in a very specific way in theirs. (...)

      "Searching" was the 150th episode of the ABC television series, Desperate Housewives. It is the sixteenth episode of the show's seventh season and was broadcast on March 6, 2011. It was ordinary episode, except last scene, which referenced the "Pilot" in a very specific way. Agree.

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    • Desk Sergeant is appearing in this ep.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Desk Sergeant is appearing in this ep.

      Interesting... I thought we'd never see him again. 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:
      Desk Sergeant is appearing in this ep.

      Interesting... I thought we'd never see him again. 

      I think he must be someone from Fairytale Land.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:
      Desk Sergeant is appearing in this ep.
      Interesting... I thought we'd never see him again. 
      I think he must be someone from Fairytale Land.

      I think he's Nurse Ratched.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:
      Desk Sergeant is appearing in this ep.
      Interesting... I thought we'd never see him again. 
      I think he must be someone from Fairytale Land.

      I think he's Nurse Ratched.

      This is hilarious.

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    • Zelena's Fiancé will be introduced in this episode

      http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/18/spoiler-room-handmaids-tale-once-upon-time-supergirl/

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Zelena's Fiancé will be introduced in this episode

      http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/18/spoiler-room-handmaids-tale-once-upon-time-supergirl/

      Guess we'll be wanting to watch out for any mysterious male actors.

      Based on the present-day focus of apparently Alice, Robin, Tiana, and Zelena, maybe this episode will be a centric on one of them? If Alice is the Guardian, that would make sense with previous theories, too.

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    • Wait, sorry. I got this episode confused with the last one. Scratch my last comment. (Besides the mysterious male actors bit.)

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Zelena's Fiancé will be introduced in this episode

      http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/18/spoiler-room-handmaids-tale-once-upon-time-supergirl/

      And with that, I think I figured out who's centric this is. Zelena always has a centric episode in either the 16th, 17th, or 18th episode of the season (from Season 3 onward obviously), so this fits with the time of the season. Chosen, of course, makes sense when you think about an engagement. Zelena was chosen by this man to be his wife. So that's my new guess, Zelena-centric.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:
      Zelena's Fiancé will be introduced in this episode

      http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/18/spoiler-room-handmaids-tale-once-upon-time-supergirl/

      And with that, I think I figured out who's centric this is. Zelena always has a centric episode in either the 16th, 17th, or 18th episode of the season (from Season 3 onward obviously), so this fits with the time of the season. Chosen, of course, makes sense when you think about an engagement. Zelena was chosen by this man to be his wife. So that's my new guess, Zelena-centric.

      It could be one of those episodes that have multiple meanings in the title instead of just referring to one storyline/character.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:
      Zelena's Fiancé will be introduced in this episode

      http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/18/spoiler-room-handmaids-tale-once-upon-time-supergirl/

      And with that, I think I figured out who's centric this is. Zelena always has a centric episode in either the 16th, 17th, or 18th episode of the season (from Season 3 onward obviously), so this fits with the time of the season. Chosen, of course, makes sense when you think about an engagement. Zelena was chosen by this man to be his wife. So that's my new guess, Zelena-centric.

      It could be one of those episodes that have multiple meanings in the title instead of just referring to one storyline/character.

      Yeah, I don't doubt that Chosen could have a different meaning for another character, but (at least partially) I think this will be a Zelena-centric.

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    • Zelena's fiancee will be played by Kip Pardue and be named Chad. He's described as a clever, romantic guy who’s no stranger to grand gestures. He keeps a cool head and maintains high levels of patience and compassion, even when it seems like his world may be turned upside down.

      http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/23/once-upon-a-time-kip-pardue-season-7/

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    • Calibaz wrote: Zelena's fiancee will be played by Kip Pardue and be named Chad. He's described as a clever, romantic guy who’s no stranger to grand gestures. He keeps a cool head and maintains high levels of patience and compassion, even when it seems like his world may be turned upside down.

      http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/23/once-upon-a-time-kip-pardue-season-7/

      I wonder how large of a role he will have in this and the upcoming episodes. Especially if he will have a central role in Zelena’s storyline this season, or if the writers will just randomly write him off (they do that sometimes).

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    • Calibaz wrote:
      Zelena's fiancee will be played by Kip Pardue and be named Chad. He's described as a clever, romantic guy who’s no stranger to grand gestures. He keeps a cool head and maintains high levels of patience and compassion, even when it seems like his world may be turned upside down.

      http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/23/once-upon-a-time-kip-pardue-season-7/

      Nice. I just saw him in Runaways.

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    • They have this habit of casting people from series I haven't seen, maybe I don't watch enough of them? Nice description though. I can already predict where the plot is going, but I hope he stays GOOD and REAL LIFE person.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      They have this habit of casting people from series I haven't seen, maybe I don't watch enough of them? Nice description though. I can already predict where the plot is going, but I hope he stays GOOD and REAL LIFE person.

      I don't know if he'll stay good, but he should hopefully stay a LWM person, since they specifically said they hadn't really done that plot before, and they wanted to. I'm guessing he will be from LWM Kansas, just to tie in a Wizard of Oz referenece.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      They have this habit of casting people from series I haven't seen, maybe I don't watch enough of them? Nice description though. I can already predict where the plot is going, but I hope he stays GOOD and REAL LIFE person.
      I don't know if he'll stay good, but he should hopefully stay a LWM person, since they specifically said they hadn't really done that plot before, and they wanted to. I'm guessing he will be from LWM Kansas, just to tie in a Wizard of Oz referenece.

      He better stay good. Regardless of if they do it better or not, fans will NOT be happy with Tamara version 2.0.

      I mean, I will, but objectively speaking most people probably won't

      Besides, it would be the most logical way to write Zelena off. Have her go back to San Francisco to be married. She's not dead, so they can bring her back whenever they want, but she's not "somewhere in Storybrooke Hyperion Heights".

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    • Finally some casting news! Don't know the guy, hopefully he's good and has chemistry with Bex. 

      I trust Adam that he is just a regular guy from LWM (but I agree, he'll surely be from Kansas) and he actually loves and cares about Zelena (Kelly).

      Hopefully this is not Zelena's final episode as I would love it if she stayed until the end. 

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    • Yep, I figured Bex would be in this episode alot, since her fiance is being introduced in it.

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    • Looks like the witch is back. http://efnewsservice.tumblr.com/post/170084473462/via-rebecca-maders-instagram-story-12417

      Wait, why? Are we flashing back to pre-Season 3? Or does Zelena get jealous? I guess that would be one way to reveal her true identity to her fiance, lol.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Looks like the witch is back. http://efnewsservice.tumblr.com/post/170084473462/via-rebecca-maders-instagram-story-12417

      Wait, why? Are we flashing back to pre-Season 3? Or does Zelena get jealous? I guess that would be one way to reveal her true identity to her fiance, lol.

      Interesting. It would be cool if we saw more of Dorothy (and Red), or really anything Oz related.

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    • Seeing that Rumple can uncurse himself, I wouldn't be surprised if Zelena could do that (in NFTL or otherwise). Definitely a flashback. Could be in the long time ago or NFTL when she just arrived.

      I do hope though there's dynamic storytelling involved because I'd hope they are building up for Zelena's marriage, etc in the previous episodes and more.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote: Looks like the witch is back. http://efnewsservice.tumblr.com/post/170084473462/via-rebecca-maders-instagram-story-12417

      Wait, why? Are we flashing back to pre-Season 3? Or does Zelena get jealous? I guess that would be one way to reveal her true identity to her fiance, lol.

      I mean, if she can make magic happen in HH, that would be a dramatic reveal lol.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote: Looks like the witch is back. http://efnewsservice.tumblr.com/post/170084473462/via-rebecca-maders-instagram-story-12417

      Wait, why? Are we flashing back to pre-Season 3? Or does Zelena get jealous? I guess that would be one way to reveal her true identity to her fiance, lol.

      Well she was somewhat turning green while in Storybrooke in s6, but not fully. I would look forward to seeing where it takes place.

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    • Thoughts: maybe the title also has to do with Zelena supposedly being the “chosen one” meant to defeat the great evil in Oz, before it ended up being Dorothy? (If this does take place pre-season 3)

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    • TheRose123 wrote:
      Thoughts: maybe the title also has to do with Zelena supposedly being the “chosen one” meant to defeat the great evil in Oz, before it ended up being Dorothy? (If this does take place pre-season 3)

      Maybe it turns out the great evil is actually, say... Mombi? Who joins Gothel's Coven?

      let me dream

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:
      Desk Sergeant is appearing in this ep.
      Interesting... I thought we'd never see him again. 
      I think he must be someone from Fairytale Land.

      I think he's Nurse Ratched.

      I think he is a mouse, Remy being the other one.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      TheRose123 wrote:
      Thoughts: maybe the title also has to do with Zelena supposedly being the “chosen one” meant to defeat the great evil in Oz, before it ended up being Dorothy? (If this does take place pre-season 3)

      Maybe it turns out the great evil is actually, say... Mombi? Who joins Gothel's Coven?

      let me dream

      Maybe Mombi is recruited as the eighth witch in the coven, since there were only seven before the curse.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      TheRose123 wrote:
      Thoughts: maybe the title also has to do with Zelena supposedly being the “chosen one” meant to defeat the great evil in Oz, before it ended up being Dorothy? (If this does take place pre-season 3)
      Maybe it turns out the great evil is actually, say... Mombi? Who joins Gothel's Coven?

      let me dream

      This doesn't seem that unlikely. We do need 6 witches, and we only have 2 - 3 that seem super likely so far (Leota, Blind Witch from Hansel and Gretel, and maybe Mama Odie), so using an Oz character makes sense, since Zelena is in the arc, especially since we are getting green Zelena, which implies we might be getting a FB of something that happened a long time ago.

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    • Well, as mentioned on the other thread, we do know there's a WW of the North in 6x18, which is usually Mombi.

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    • Shhhh you'll get my hopes up xD

      Yeah but it actually does seem like a reasonable possibility (HOORAY!) Maybe Mombi will debut before this episode, in whatever episode has Zelena's arrival in the NEF, where their history is teased, then this episode will flash back to Oz sometime around 618 to show how they became enemies.

      Or, better yet, they never were enemies, which is why Zelena was invited to the coven. Maybe we'll see something like Zelena and Stanum with Zelena and Mombi, but with Mombi being evil, too. I could see the flashback ending with Mombi betraying Zelena for something -- ruining her first time travel curse attempt? -- and saying something to the effect of "No hard feelings, right? Maybe we can work together again someday!"

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      DatNuttyKid wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:
      Desk Sergeant is appearing in this ep.
      Interesting... I thought we'd never see him again. 
      I think he must be someone from Fairytale Land.

      I think he's Nurse Ratched.

      I think he is a mouse, Remy being the other one.

      The other one as in Jaq the mouse you're saying?

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    • Definitely looks to be a distant flashback to Oz.

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    • If Mombi appears, there definitely needs an Ozma. I hope Robin could play the role of Ozma. They could make Ozma a title, just like Dark One, Savior, etc. Ozma = Queen of Oz, or something.

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    • Xtian MadHatter wrote:
      If Mombi appears, there definitely needs an Ozma. I hope Robin could play the role of Ozma. They could make Ozma a title, just like Dark One, Savior, etc. Ozma = Queen of Oz, or something.

      I think Ozma could be a nice way to do a possible interesting character, the T in LGBTQ, or just more Oz lore. 

      Chances are this is about Zelena and love, so who knows. 

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Xtian MadHatter wrote:
      If Mombi appears, there definitely needs an Ozma. I hope Robin could play the role of Ozma. They could make Ozma a title, just like Dark One, Savior, etc. Ozma = Queen of Oz, or something.
      I think Ozma could be a nice way to do a possible interesting character, the T in LGBTQ, or just more Oz lore. 

      Chances are this is about Zelena and love, so who knows. 

      Oh guys, you're getting my hypes up! 

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Definitely looks to be a distant flashback to Oz.

      Are you saying this because of green Zelena, or did something else show up?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      Definitely looks to be a distant flashback to Oz.

      Are you saying this because of green Zelena, or did something else show up?

      Bex posted a pic of Green Zelena in her WW attire in I guess a forest.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      Definitely looks to be a distant flashback to Oz.
      Are you saying this because of green Zelena, or did something else show up?
      Bex posted a pic of Green Zelena in her WW attire in I guess a forest.

      This one?

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BeYZeqFgXQu/

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      Definitely looks to be a distant flashback to Oz.
      Are you saying this because of green Zelena, or did something else show up?
      Bex posted a pic of Green Zelena in her WW attire in I guess a forest.

      Okay, saw it, yep, that definitly doesn't look just like present day Zelena turning green (because she wouldn't be wearing that outfit in present day), so I agree we are getting a pre-Season 3 FB.

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    • Early guesses, Blondie and Raven may be witches, but Mombi/WW in this episode is why Zelena ends up getting invited to the coven. All I cna think is that this centers around a WW (Zelena or more likely, Mombi) never finding love in the past and it mirrors present day.

      Mombi and Locasta/Good Witch of the North both loved a prince, and yada yada, the story goes on. This could be the story they draw from and have Mombi trying love but conflict happens and then it sets up her backstory from before the Stanum incident. After all, they do have like at least half a decade or so of empty space.

      At least I hope so because Mombi fits my prediction list (because she has Mom in her name, lol)

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    • Eskaver wrote: Early guesses, Blondie and Raven may be witches, but Mombi/WW in this episode is why Zelena ends up getting invited to the coven. All I cna think is that this centers around a WW (Zelena or more likely, Mombi) never finding love in the past and it mirrors present day.

      Mombi and Locasta/Good Witch of the North both loved a prince, and yada yada, the story goes on. This could be the story they draw from and have Mombi trying love but conflict happens and then it sets up her backstory from before the Stanum incident. After all, they do have like at least half a decade or so of empty space.

      At least I hope so because Mombi fits my prediction list (because she has Mom in her name, lol)

      I hope all the witches have a certain “mother figure” title so there is some congruency with the members.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Early guesses, Blondie and Raven may be witches, but Mombi/WW in this episode is why Zelena ends up getting invited to the coven. All I cna think is that this centers around a WW (Zelena or more likely, Mombi) never finding love in the past and it mirrors present day.

      Mombi and Locasta/Good Witch of the North both loved a prince, and yada yada, the story goes on. This could be the story they draw from and have Mombi trying love but conflict happens and then it sets up her backstory from before the Stanum incident. After all, they do have like at least half a decade or so of empty space.

      At least I hope so because Mombi fits my prediction list (because she has Mom in her name, lol)

      I hope all the witches have a certain “mother figure” title so there is some congruency with the members.

      That's what I was going for in my predictions, Mother or Lady/Madam. But we could ranodmly get Zelena bullying the Lollipop Guild, lol.

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    • So, today we got...

      Rebecca, Colin, Andrew, Mekia & Emma on set.

      Different scenes. Colin/Andrew was present day events, Emma/Mekia was flashbacks and Zelena was green.

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    • Lady Junky wrote: So, today we got...

      Rebecca, Colin, Andrew, Mekia & Emma on set.

      Different scenes. Colin/Andrew was present day events, Emma/Mekia was flashbacks and Zelena was green.

      Are you sure that video with Emma and Mekia was from today's filming? In the comments, Emma tells Colin that she'll "see him soon" so it sounds like it's an old video.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Early guesses, Blondie and Raven may be witches, but Mombi/WW in this episode is why Zelena ends up getting invited to the coven. All I cna think is that this centers around a WW (Zelena or more likely, Mombi) never finding love in the past and it mirrors present day.

      Mombi and Locasta/Good Witch of the North both loved a prince, and yada yada, the story goes on. This could be the story they draw from and have Mombi trying love but conflict happens and then it sets up her backstory from before the Stanum incident. After all, they do have like at least half a decade or so of empty space.

      At least I hope so because Mombi fits my prediction list (because she has Mom in her name, lol)

      Who are Blondie and Raven?

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Early guesses, Blondie and Raven may be witches, but Mombi/WW in this episode is why Zelena ends up getting invited to the coven. All I cna think is that this centers around a WW (Zelena or more likely, Mombi) never finding love in the past and it mirrors present day.

      Mombi and Locasta/Good Witch of the North both loved a prince, and yada yada, the story goes on. This could be the story they draw from and have Mombi trying love but conflict happens and then it sets up her backstory from before the Stanum incident. After all, they do have like at least half a decade or so of empty space.

      At least I hope so because Mombi fits my prediction list (because she has Mom in her name, lol)

      Who are Blondie and Raven?

      The two women seen on the set of 715, I presume.

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    • Now that we just got the 7x18 title, I wonder what Chosen is really about. The Guardian? Or something else?

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    • Well, I didn't know Frank Baum wrote more books about the Wizard of Oz, I only knew Dorothy's and the 1939 movie. I only knew about Ozma and Mombi because of Dorothy Must Die, i thought both of them were characters created by Danille Paige.

      I searched up Mombi's story, and it said Glinda took her magic by forcing her to drink a potion. About that potion, it may be the Crimson Hearth. My theory is the FB is 6x18 forward, and Zelena or anyone could've used it on Mombi. I think it's Zelena.

      Anyways, we don't have any clue Mombi or Ozma are coming back.

      I'm agree with Xtian MadHatter, Ozma may be a title like the Queen of Oz or the one who defeats the Great Evil of Oz.

      The flashback may also be about Zelena and her fiancé, but green Zelena in San Francisco or HH? I don't think so. 

      "Chosen" may be the chosen to defeat the Great Evil, the chosen to be the Guardian, the Author, Dark One, Savior, Zelena being chosen by her fiancé, etc.

      Sorry for my english, it's not perfect.

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:
      Now that we just got the 7x18 title, I wonder what Chosen is really about. The Guardian? Or something else?

      Seems to be a Zelena centric, so I think the main plot is about Zelena, while the secondary plot might tie into the next episode with the Guardian.

      Then again, I'm guessing Yael/Ana is still around? Haven't heard much about that.

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    • Truest Believer wrote:
      Well, I didn't know Frank Baum wrote more books about the Wizard of Oz, I only knew Dorothy's and the 1939 movie. I only knew about Ozma and Mombi because of Dorothy Must Die, i thought both of them were characters created by Danille Paige.

      Yep, L. Frank Baum wrote 14 Oz books, which introduced many other characters like Mombi and Ozma, as well as showed more about Dorothy, the Wizard, Glinda, and many of the other characters in the first book.

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    • Yep, Zelena is chosen by her fiancè, and somehow she becomes green again in flashbacks? I guess a lot can happen in that 9 year gap. Plot B is about the Guardian, if it's really Anastasia, but I still think it's Alice.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Yep, Zelena is chosen by her fiancè, and somehow she becomes green again in flashbacks? I guess a lot can happen in that 9 year gap. Plot B is about the Guardian, if it's really Anastasia, but I still think it's Alice.

      The green Zelena FB is most likely a FB to before Season 3, especially since we have a lot we didn't see of Zelena back then.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Then again, I'm guessing Yael/Ana is still around? Haven't heard much about that.

      Yael was seen in filmings for "Sisterhood".

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    • Well, Adam revealed the next episode is titled "The Guardian", so we dismiss this one beign about the Guardian.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Yep, Zelena is chosen by her fiancè, and somehow she becomes green again in flashbacks? I guess a lot can happen in that 9 year gap. Plot B is about the Guardian, if it's really Anastasia, but I still think it's Alice.
      The green Zelena FB is most likely a FB to before Season 3, especially since we have a lot we didn't see of Zelena back then.

      Probably, I thought it was more recent because I saw Tiana and Gothel in bts, but it seems like they were for a previous episode.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      DatNuttyKid wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:


      Lady Junky wrote:
      Desk Sergeant is appearing in this ep.
      Interesting... I thought we'd never see him again. 
      I think he must be someone from Fairytale Land.

      I think he's Nurse Ratched.

      I think he is a mouse, Remy being the other one.

      Before S7 premiere, I asked Bruce if he was portraying one of the mouses from Cinderella. He denied, but said it would be interesting

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    • I just remembered that when Zelena pretended to be Marian she said something about wanting to be chosen, and in that case Robin chose Regina. And chosen is the title of this episode.

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    • Has anyone thought that perhaps Zelenas fiancée is the Guardian?

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      Has anyone thought that perhaps Zelenas fiancée is the Guardian?

      It was confirmed by the writers that he's a normie.

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    • Not only is Zelena in green and in Wicked Witch clothes, it appears she has her pendant on as well, which basically cements the fact that the FB is before Season 3:

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/958800482331340800

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: Not only is Zelena in green and in Wicked Witch clothes, it appears she has her pendant on as well, which basically cements the fact that the FB is before Season 3:

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/958800482331340800

      Perhaps the this is when we will see the Witch of the North who made a brief cameo in Season 3 turn evil and join the Coven of the Eight?

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: Not only is Zelena in green and in Wicked Witch clothes, it appears she has her pendant on as well, which basically cements the fact that the FB is before Season 3:

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/958800482331340800

      Perhaps the this is when we will see the Witch of the North who made a brief cameo in Season 3 turn evil and join the Coven of the Eight?

      The Wicked Witch of the North would be Mombi, which is a seperate character from the Good Witch of the North (whom we saw in Season 3).

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: Not only is Zelena in green and in Wicked Witch clothes, it appears she has her pendant on as well, which basically cements the fact that the FB is before Season 3:

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/958800482331340800

      Perhaps the this is when we will see the Witch of the North who made a brief cameo in Season 3 turn evil and join the Coven of the Eight?

      The Wicked Witch of the North would be Mombi, which is a seperate character from the Good Witch of the North (whom we saw in Season 3).

      No, there is only one Witch per direction. She turned evil after Zelena wrecked the Coven and she turned Stanum to tin.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: Not only is Zelena in green and in Wicked Witch clothes, it appears she has her pendant on as well, which basically cements the fact that the FB is before Season 3:

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/958800482331340800

      Perhaps the this is when we will see the Witch of the North who made a brief cameo in Season 3 turn evil and join the Coven of the Eight?

      The Wicked Witch of the North would be Mombi, which is a seperate character from the Good Witch of the North (whom we saw in Season 3).

      No, there is only one Witch per direction. She turned evil after Zelena wrecked the Coven and she turned Stanum to tin.


      I'm talking about Oz book series canon. There is a Wicked Witch of the North (named Mombi) and a Good Witch of the North (sometimes named Locasta). We don't know how the show would do it, but I have a feeling they would use Mombi.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: Not only is Zelena in green and in Wicked Witch clothes, it appears she has her pendant on as well, which basically cements the fact that the FB is before Season 3:

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/958800482331340800

      Perhaps the this is when we will see the Witch of the North who made a brief cameo in Season 3 turn evil and join the Coven of the Eight?

      The Wicked Witch of the North would be Mombi, which is a seperate character from the Good Witch of the North (whom we saw in Season 3).

      No, there is only one Witch per direction. She turned evil after Zelena wrecked the Coven and she turned Stanum to tin.

      I'm talking about Oz book series canon. There is a Wicked Witch of the North (named Mombi) and a Good Witch of the North (sometimes named Locasta).

      But this is OUAT. I believe that the Witch Stanum mentioned was indeed the one we saw in Season 3 and that now she is in the Coven of the Eight.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: Not only is Zelena in green and in Wicked Witch clothes, it appears she has her pendant on as well, which basically cements the fact that the FB is before Season 3:

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/958800482331340800

      Perhaps the this is when we will see the Witch of the North who made a brief cameo in Season 3 turn evil and join the Coven of the Eight?

      The Wicked Witch of the North would be Mombi, which is a seperate character from the Good Witch of the North (whom we saw in Season 3).

      No, there is only one Witch per direction. She turned evil after Zelena wrecked the Coven and she turned Stanum to tin.

      I'm talking about Oz book series canon. There is a Wicked Witch of the North (named Mombi) and a Good Witch of the North (sometimes named Locasta).

      But this is OUAT. I believe that the Witch Stanum mentioned was indeed the one we saw in Season 3 and that now she is in the Coven of the Eight.

      You can believe that all you want, but we don't have proof either way, so speculating that she is not the same is just as valid as that she is the same.

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    • Hey @Lady_Junky :) what happened to Daniel Francis in this episode's page? The info was not real?

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote: Hey @Lady_Junky :) what happened to Daniel Francis in this episode's page? The info was not real?

      Yes, it is real. Problem is, it was Friday. And they filmed both 717 & 718 on Friday, and I can't tell for sure in which episode he is going to appear ^^

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote: Hey @Lady_Junky :) what happened to Daniel Francis in this episode's page? The info was not real?

      Yes, it is real. Problem is, it was Friday. And they filmed both 717 & 718 on Friday, and I can't tell for sure in which episode he is going to appear ^^

      Don't we just list him on both? I remember other times where it was in between two episodes, and the actor was just listed on both episode pages.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote: Hey @Lady_Junky :) what happened to Daniel Francis in this episode's page? The info was not real?

      Yes, it is real. Problem is, it was Friday. And they filmed both 717 & 718 on Friday, and I can't tell for sure in which episode he is going to appear ^^

      Don't we just list him on both? I remember other times where it was in between two episodes, and the actor was just listed on both episode pages.

      For the sake of accuracy, it's better not to list him on either than to mislead people into thinking he's in both. Everyone knows our cast lists aren't necessarily complete, but if someone is listed it is assumed that they are in the episode.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote: Hey @Lady_Junky :) what happened to Daniel Francis in this episode's page? The info was not real?

      Yes, it is real. Problem is, it was Friday. And they filmed both 717 & 718 on Friday, and I can't tell for sure in which episode he is going to appear ^^

      Don't we just list him on both? I remember other times where it was in between two episodes, and the actor was just listed on both episode pages.

      For the sake of accuracy, it's better not to list him on either than to mislead people into thinking he's in both. Everyone knows our cast lists aren't necessarily complete, but if someone is listed it is assumed that they are in the episode.

      And recurring guests very often film in episodes and are cut from the final episode anyway. People know our lists for upcoming episodes are 100% guarenteed until the episode airs.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote: Hey @Lady_Junky :) what happened to Daniel Francis in this episode's page? The info was not real?

      Yes, it is real. Problem is, it was Friday. And they filmed both 717 & 718 on Friday, and I can't tell for sure in which episode he is going to appear ^^

      Don't we just list him on both? I remember other times where it was in between two episodes, and the actor was just listed on both episode pages.

      For the sake of accuracy, it's better not to list him on either than to mislead people into thinking he's in both. Everyone knows our cast lists aren't necessarily complete, but if someone is listed it is assumed that they are in the episode.

      And recurring guests very often film in episodes and are cut from the final episode anyway. People know our lists for upcoming episodes are 100% guarenteed until the episode airs.

      True, but we know for a fact that they filmed for the episode, and we still list them in the cast list after we see they didn't make the cut (just with a note). In this case, we don't know if he was even ever planned to be in the episode, so it is, in my opinion, being purposefully misleading to list him.

      Either way, this probably isn't the place to be having this conversation.

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    • https://twitter.com/yael_yurman/status/959233682081857537

      Wow. Yael is in for this episode. Ana's still around after Rap and Drizzy's departures.

      And, according to this , they are still in 717, so Daniel must be back at the cast list. 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      https://twitter.com/yael_yurman/status/959233682081857537

      Wow. Yael is in for this episode. Ana's still around after Rap and Drizzy's departures.

      And, according to this , they are still in 717, so Daniel must be back at the cast list. 

      Do we know that that's a new picture? I think EFNS tagged it as just general Season 7.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      https://twitter.com/yael_yurman/status/959233682081857537

      Wow. Yael is in for this episode. Ana's still around after Rap and Drizzy's departures.

      And, according to this , they are still in 717, so Daniel must be back at the cast list. 

      Ana looks like she is wearing NEF clothes, so I'm very curious as to what episode that is from, because I don't know how that would fit into a Zelena FB.

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    • Is this Zelena's last episode or the next one?

      If this is her centric it would make more sense if she leaves in this one

      (She got lucky, btw. Most of the characters don't survive their centrics XD)

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      https://twitter.com/yael_yurman/status/959233682081857537

      Wow. Yael is in for this episode. Ana's still around after Rap and Drizzy's departures.

      And, according to this , they are still in 717, so Daniel must be back at the cast list. 

      Ana looks like she is wearing NEF clothes, so I'm very curious as to what episode that is from, because I don't know how that would fit into a Zelena FB.

      That's her yellow dress from 709, when she was having tea with the newly returned Rapunzel and Drizzy.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      https://twitter.com/yael_yurman/status/959233682081857537Wow. Yael is in for this episode. Ana's still around after Rap and Drizzy's departures.

      And, according to this , they are still in 717, so Daniel must be back at the cast list. 

      Ana looks like she is wearing NEF clothes, so I'm very curious as to what episode that is from, because I don't know how that would fit into a Zelena FB.

      That's her yellow dress from 709, when she was having tea with the newly returned Rapunzel and Drizzy.

      Hmmm... so I wonder if she was just posting an old picture, or if there is another flashback to that time. I could see either being possible.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      https://twitter.com/yael_yurman/status/959233682081857537Wow. Yael is in for this episode. Ana's still around after Rap and Drizzy's departures.

      And, according to this , they are still in 717, so Daniel must be back at the cast list. 

      Ana looks like she is wearing NEF clothes, so I'm very curious as to what episode that is from, because I don't know how that would fit into a Zelena FB.

      That's her yellow dress from 709, when she was having tea with the newly returned Rapunzel and Drizzy.

      Hmmm... so I wonder if she was just posting an old picture, or if there is another flashback to that time. I could see either being possible.

      Don't know... How would that fit with Green Zelena?

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      https://twitter.com/yael_yurman/status/959233682081857537Wow. Yael is in for this episode. Ana's still around after Rap and Drizzy's departures.

      And, according to this , they are still in 717, so Daniel must be back at the cast list. 

      Ana looks like she is wearing NEF clothes, so I'm very curious as to what episode that is from, because I don't know how that would fit into a Zelena FB.

      That's her yellow dress from 709, when she was having tea with the newly returned Rapunzel and Drizzy.

      Hmmm... so I wonder if she was just posting an old picture, or if there is another flashback to that time. I could see either being possible.

      Don't know... How would that fit with Green Zelena?

      Does not. Just an old pic ^^

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      https://twitter.com/yael_yurman/status/959233682081857537Wow. Yael is in for this episode. Ana's still around after Rap and Drizzy's departures.

      And, according to this , they are still in 717, so Daniel must be back at the cast list. 

      Ana looks like she is wearing NEF clothes, so I'm very curious as to what episode that is from, because I don't know how that would fit into a Zelena FB.

      That's her yellow dress from 709, when she was having tea with the newly returned Rapunzel and Drizzy.

      Hmmm... so I wonder if she was just posting an old picture, or if there is another flashback to that time. I could see either being possible.

      Don't know... How would that fit with Green Zelena?

      Does not. Just an old pic ^^

      So, can we put Daniel back in this episode's cast list, (the source is Bex's tweet from Feb. 3).

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      https://twitter.com/yael_yurman/status/959233682081857537Wow. Yael is in for this episode. Ana's still around after Rap and Drizzy's departures.

      And, according to this , they are still in 717, so Daniel must be back at the cast list. 

      Ana looks like she is wearing NEF clothes, so I'm very curious as to what episode that is from, because I don't know how that would fit into a Zelena FB.

      That's her yellow dress from 709, when she was having tea with the newly returned Rapunzel and Drizzy.

      Hmmm... so I wonder if she was just posting an old picture, or if there is another flashback to that time. I could see either being possible.

      Don't know... How would that fit with Green Zelena?

      Does not. Just an old pic ^^

      So, can we put Daniel back in this episode's cast list, (the source is Bex's tweet from Feb. 3).

      No? Why would we do that?

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:


      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:



      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      https://twitter.com/yael_yurman/status/959233682081857537Wow. Yael is in for this episode. Ana's still around after Rap and Drizzy's departures.

      And, according to this , they are still in 717, so Daniel must be back at the cast list. 

      Ana looks like she is wearing NEF clothes, so I'm very curious as to what episode that is from, because I don't know how that would fit into a Zelena FB.

      That's her yellow dress from 709, when she was having tea with the newly returned Rapunzel and Drizzy.

      Hmmm... so I wonder if she was just posting an old picture, or if there is another flashback to that time. I could see either being possible.

      Don't know... How would that fit with Green Zelena?

      Does not. Just an old pic ^^

      So, can we put Daniel back in this episode's cast list, (the source is Bex's tweet from Feb. 3).

      No? Why would we do that?

      Because you said that Daniel was removed from the cast list because you didn't know if they were filming 717 or 718. However, in this tweet of Bex's, she confirmed they were still in 717.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:


      Lady Junky wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:


      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:



      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      https://twitter.com/yael_yurman/status/959233682081857537Wow. Yael is in for this episode. Ana's still around after Rap and Drizzy's departures.

      And, according to this , they are still in 717, so Daniel must be back at the cast list. 

      Ana looks like she is wearing NEF clothes, so I'm very curious as to what episode that is from, because I don't know how that would fit into a Zelena FB.

      That's her yellow dress from 709, when she was having tea with the newly returned Rapunzel and Drizzy.

      Hmmm... so I wonder if she was just posting an old picture, or if there is another flashback to that time. I could see either being possible.

      Don't know... How would that fit with Green Zelena?

      Does not. Just an old pic ^^

      So, can we put Daniel back in this episode's cast list, (the source is Bex's tweet from Feb. 3).

      No? Why would we do that?

      Because you said that Daniel was removed from the cast list because you didn't know if they were filming 717 or 718. However, in this tweet of Bex's, she confirmed they were still in 717.

      They were filming both. That's the issue. We know Bex was filming 717 and Rose was filming 718. We know Daniel was on set, but we don't know which filming he was a part of.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:


      Lady Junky wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:


      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:



      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      https://twitter.com/yael_yurman/status/959233682081857537Wow. Yael is in for this episode. Ana's still around after Rap and Drizzy's departures.

      And, according to this , they are still in 717, so Daniel must be back at the cast list. 

      Ana looks like she is wearing NEF clothes, so I'm very curious as to what episode that is from, because I don't know how that would fit into a Zelena FB.

      That's her yellow dress from 709, when she was having tea with the newly returned Rapunzel and Drizzy.

      Hmmm... so I wonder if she was just posting an old picture, or if there is another flashback to that time. I could see either being possible.

      Don't know... How would that fit with Green Zelena?

      Does not. Just an old pic ^^

      So, can we put Daniel back in this episode's cast list, (the source is Bex's tweet from Feb. 3).

      No? Why would we do that?

      Because you said that Daniel was removed from the cast list because you didn't know if they were filming 717 or 718. However, in this tweet of Bex's, she confirmed they were still in 717.

      They were filming both. That's the issue. We know Bex was filming 717 and Rose was filming 718. We know Daniel was on set, but we don't know which filming he was a part of.

      Actually, not exactly ^^ It is more likely that Rose was filming 717, because Lana was doing flashbacks, including S7 flashbacks per Rebecca's outfit x) And it appears that 718 was doing present days events per what the director showed us.

      Now, did Rose do both eps that day? .... That's a possibility, seeing her hashtag. But the oufit was more likely from a scene of 717.

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    • And they officially wrapped 717 ^^ https://www.instagram.com/p/Be3fz0MgYvD/

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    • I love all of these Oz theories but they hurt so much because I know they won't happen.  I hope Mombi appears...she's actually got a reason to be there and everything. 

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    • Saintfighteraqua wrote:

      I love all of these Oz theories but they hurt so much because I know they won't happen. 

      I hope Mombi appears...she's actually got a reason to be there and everything. 


      Well, it is a Zelena centric and the FB is her prior to Season 3, so they have to be doing something Oz related. My top 3 guesses are: an interaction between Zelena and Mombi; how Dorothy ruined Zelena's first attempt at a time travel spell; or Zelena killing or otherwise hurting her adoptive father. Of course we could get more than one of those happening in the FB as well.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Saintfighteraqua wrote:

      I love all of these Oz theories but they hurt so much because I know they won't happen. 

      I hope Mombi appears...she's actually got a reason to be there and everything. 

      Well, it is a Zelena centric and the FB is her prior to Season 3, so they have to be doing something Oz related. My top 3 guesses are: an interaction between Zelena and Mombi; how Dorothy ruined Zelena's first attempt at a time travel spell; or Zelena killing or otherwise hurting her adoptive father. Of course we could get more than one of those happening in the FB as well.

      I really hope you're right!! We still have a lot left unexplained with Zelena's first attempt.

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    • Saintfighteraqua wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Saintfighteraqua wrote:

      I love all of these Oz theories but they hurt so much because I know they won't happen. 

      I hope Mombi appears...she's actually got a reason to be there and everything. 

      Well, it is a Zelena centric and the FB is her prior to Season 3, so they have to be doing something Oz related. My top 3 guesses are: an interaction between Zelena and Mombi; how Dorothy ruined Zelena's first attempt at a time travel spell; or Zelena killing or otherwise hurting her adoptive father. Of course we could get more than one of those happening in the FB as well.

      I really hope you're right!! We still have a lot left unexplained with Zelena's first attempt.

      What if the Witch of the North or East has to do with Zelenas first attempt at a time travel spell and later joins the coven?

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    • Adam and Eddy confirmed the witches aren't characters from seasons 1 to 6, I don't remember where, but they said it, im sure

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    • Truest Believer wrote: Adam and Eddy confirmed the witches aren't characters from seasons 1 to 6, I don't remember where, but they said it, im sure

      They exclipicty States that we will see familiar faces, where are you getting your information from.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Truest Believer wrote: Adam and Eddy confirmed the witches aren't characters from seasons 1 to 6, I don't remember where, but they said it, im sure

      They exclipicty States that we will see familiar faces, where are you getting your information from.

      They said that familiar faces might be seen in 7B, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they will be in the coven.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Truest Believer wrote: Adam and Eddy confirmed the witches aren't characters from seasons 1 to 6, I don't remember where, but they said it, im sure

      They exclipicty States that we will see familiar faces, where are you getting your information from.

      They said that familiar faces might be seen in 7B, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they will be in the coven.

      No, they said in the coven.

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    • Dude they explicitly said none of the witches from the coven are characters from season 1 to 6

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    • Exactly, they said the coven will be all-new. But we will see familiar faces in 7B, probably the finale because we haven't seen anyone on set so far.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Exactly, they said the coven will be all-new. But we will see familiar faces in 7B, probably the finale because we haven't seen anyone on set so far.

      I have a feeling we may see certain other characters in specific flashbacks, like how we saw Smee (admittidly WSmee, but still) in 707. This episode's FB makes it highly likely that we could see someone like Dorothy or Zelena's adoptive father, given when it takes place, for example.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Exactly, they said the coven will be all-new. But we will see familiar faces in 7B, probably the finale because we haven't seen anyone on set so far.

      I have a feeling we may see certain other characters in specific flashbacks, like how we saw Smee (admittidly WSmee, but still) in 707. This episode's FB makes it highly likely that we could see someone like Dorothy or Zelena's adoptive father, given when it takes place, for example.

      Eh, it's possible? I guess. But "familiar faces", I thought they were talking about Snow and Charming, or other major recurring characters from the 1-6 seasons. Smee counts I suppose, not what I wanted though, it isn't something you tease in an interview either.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Exactly, they said the coven will be all-new. But we will see familiar faces in 7B, probably the finale because we haven't seen anyone on set so far.
      I have a feeling we may see certain other characters in specific flashbacks, like how we saw Smee (admittidly WSmee, but still) in 707. This episode's FB makes it highly likely that we could see someone like Dorothy or Zelena's adoptive father, given when it takes place, for example.

      Eh, it's possible? I guess. But "familiar faces", I thought they were talking about Snow and Charming, or other major recurring characters from the 1-6 seasons. Smee counts I suppose, not what I wanted though, it isn't something you tease in an interview either.

      I think Snow and Charming are likely for the finale, but that doesn't mean we won't see other returning actors in various episodes. And a familiar face literally means someone who has been on the show before and (at least some) people would recognize. Someone like Dorothy is iconic enough that people would recognize her if she showed up again.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Exactly, they said the coven will be all-new. But we will see familiar faces in 7B, probably the finale because we haven't seen anyone on set so far.
      I have a feeling we may see certain other characters in specific flashbacks, like how we saw Smee (admittidly WSmee, but still) in 707. This episode's FB makes it highly likely that we could see someone like Dorothy or Zelena's adoptive father, given when it takes place, for example.

      Eh, it's possible? I guess. But "familiar faces", I thought they were talking about Snow and Charming, or other major recurring characters from the 1-6 seasons. Smee counts I suppose, not what I wanted though, it isn't something you tease in an interview either.

      I think Snow and Charming are likely for the finale, but that doesn't mean we won't see other returning actors in various episodes. And a familiar face literally means someone who has been on the show before and (at least some) people would recognize. Someone like Dorothy is iconic enough that people would recognize her if she showed up again.

      Familiar faces is someone you want to tease, not some random people who appeared in 2 episodes. I would like to see Dorothy again, but I haven't seen the actress on set so I doubt it, she will likely get mentioned.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Exactly, they said the coven will be all-new. But we will see familiar faces in 7B, probably the finale because we haven't seen anyone on set so far.
      I have a feeling we may see certain other characters in specific flashbacks, like how we saw Smee (admittidly WSmee, but still) in 707. This episode's FB makes it highly likely that we could see someone like Dorothy or Zelena's adoptive father, given when it takes place, for example.
      Eh, it's possible? I guess. But "familiar faces", I thought they were talking about Snow and Charming, or other major recurring characters from the 1-6 seasons. Smee counts I suppose, not what I wanted though, it isn't something you tease in an interview either.
      I think Snow and Charming are likely for the finale, but that doesn't mean we won't see other returning actors in various episodes. And a familiar face literally means someone who has been on the show before and (at least some) people would recognize. Someone like Dorothy is iconic enough that people would recognize her if she showed up again.

      Familiar faces is someone you want to tease, not some random people who appeared in 2 episodes. I would like to see Dorothy again, but I haven't seen the actress on set so I doubt it, she will likely get mentioned.

      We don't see a lot of the actors and actresses who film, especially if they are filming in studio.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Exactly, they said the coven will be all-new. But we will see familiar faces in 7B, probably the finale because we haven't seen anyone on set so far.
      I have a feeling we may see certain other characters in specific flashbacks, like how we saw Smee (admittidly WSmee, but still) in 707. This episode's FB makes it highly likely that we could see someone like Dorothy or Zelena's adoptive father, given when it takes place, for example.
      Eh, it's possible? I guess. But "familiar faces", I thought they were talking about Snow and Charming, or other major recurring characters from the 1-6 seasons. Smee counts I suppose, not what I wanted though, it isn't something you tease in an interview either.
      I think Snow and Charming are likely for the finale, but that doesn't mean we won't see other returning actors in various episodes. And a familiar face literally means someone who has been on the show before and (at least some) people would recognize. Someone like Dorothy is iconic enough that people would recognize her if she showed up again.

      Familiar faces is someone you want to tease, not some random people who appeared in 2 episodes. I would like to see Dorothy again, but I haven't seen the actress on set so I doubt it, she will likely get mentioned.

      I hate when a new character pops up and screws everything up. xD

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    • Trying to figure out FBs. I think this episode will be Zelena in Oz, prior to Season 3. It should hopefully be something that has been hinted at but not fully shown, like Dorothy ruining her first time travel spell.

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    • Zelena and Mombi...but it could be something related to romance. Perhaps, Zelena "makes" the Wicked Witch of the North (as in Evil isn't born.)

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    • Or........... W!Zelena

      That's why she is green

      We know the coven wanted Zelena to join. Since she didn't accept the invitation, the closest thing is W!Zelena

      So, this could be the W!WickedWitch

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Or........... W!Zelena

      That's why she is green

      We know the coven wanted Zelena to join. Since she didn't accept the invitation, the closest thing is W!Zelena

      So, this could be the W!WickedWitch

      There's no W!Wicked Witch. (because the WR is just the EF)

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    • But Zelena was born in the EF, she is only an Oz inhabitant 

      Like Hook, he was a Neverland inhabitant but he was replicated by the Wish because he was born in the EF

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      But Zelena was born in the EF, she is only an Oz inhabitant 

      Like Hook, like was a Neverland inhabitant but he was replicated by the Wish because he was born in the EF

      And he was in the EF at the time of the curse and popped up in EF all the time. We still haven't gotten an answer about the WR, so we cannot say. 

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    • What if they bring WR!Maleficent and WR!Lily with her dad, or WR!Will.

      ...

      I'm just saying, you guys are making it sound like the Wish Realm is very important, I know they brought in Wish Hook but it was just because they didn't want to split CS's happy ending.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      What if they bring WR!Maleficent and WR!Lily with her dad, or WR!Will.

      ...

      I'm just saying, you guys are making it sound like the Wish Realm is very important, I know they brought in Wish Hook but it was just because they didn't want to split CS's happy ending.

      Yeah, I'll argue that it isn't. I think it was just that: They wanted to keep Emma and Hook as the status quo (with JMo not resigning), so they picked Wish Hook.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: What if they bring WR!Maleficent and WR!Lily with her dad, or WR!Will.

      None of those filmed for this episode

      Rebecca Madder is there and would save them money

      Also, they have a lot of things to explain from 7A, I don think they would waste an hour in a pre-season 3 flashback like 6x17 which ended up in nothing

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote: What if they bring WR!Maleficent and WR!Lily with her dad, or WR!Will.

      None of those filmed for this episode

      Rebecca Madder is there and would save them money

      Also, they have a lot of things to explain from 7A, I don think they would waste an hour in a pre-season 3 flashback like 6x17 which ended up in nothing

      So WZelena would be a better way to spend an hour? I'd rather see more of our Zelena's past, than introduce another Wish character.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      8Rob wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote: What if they bring WR!Maleficent and WR!Lily with her dad, or WR!Will.

      None of those filmed for this episode

      Rebecca Madder is there and would save them money

      Also, they have a lot of things to explain from 7A, I don think they would waste an hour in a pre-season 3 flashback like 6x17 which ended up in nothing

      So WZelena would be a better way to spend an hour? I'd rather see more of our Zelena's past, than introduce another Wish character.

      What are you talking about???

      It was already said none of the coven witches will get a centric

      She would appear in another character's centric, like Madame Leota

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      8Rob wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote: What if they bring WR!Maleficent and WR!Lily with her dad, or WR!Will.

      None of those filmed for this episode

      Rebecca Madder is there and would save them money

      Also, they have a lot of things to explain from 7A, I don think they would waste an hour in a pre-season 3 flashback like 6x17 which ended up in nothing

      So WZelena would be a better way to spend an hour? I'd rather see more of our Zelena's past, than introduce another Wish character.
      What are you talking about???

      It was already said none of the coven witches will get a centric

      She would appear in another character's centric, like Madame Leota

      But we know the FB include a green Zelena, and the present day events are going to focus around Zelena and her engagement to Chad, which means that the focus of the episode would be Zelena. I'm assuming that is why you suggested WZelena for FB/member of the coven, because we already know Zelena is the focus of this episode. My point is I'd rather not have another Wish character, and just focus on regular Zelena.

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    • Oh god why do people keep being obsessed with these wish characters in every thread? One Wish Hook is confusing enough. Moreover, as some already said, spending time with a wish character in the final episodes is totally lacking focus. Personally, I hate the wish realm, it's a McGuffin that exist only to fix Robin Hood and now they keep overusing it. So I guess I'm a bit emotional when some want to cram it into the show. So, sorry...

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    • The point is, I never said the focus should be WZelena 

      Imagine something like this

      Present Day Storyline: Zelena and Chad

      Flashback: Gothel reaching Zelena and asking her to join the coven. After she rejects the invitation, she goes to the WRealm to invite WZelena. It could be only one scene with WZelena.

      Well, anyway, I hope they'll make a wiser use of the hour than they did in the last Zelena centric

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    • Xtian MadHatter wrote:
      Oh god why do people keep being obsessed with these wish characters in every thread? One Wish Hook is confusing enough. Moreover, as some already said, spending time with a wish character in the final episodes is totally lacking focus.

      Personally, I hate the wish realm, it's a McGuffin that exist only to fix Robin Hood and now they keep overusing it. So I guess I'm a bit emotional when some want to cram it into the show. So, sorry...

      I don't think we should ignore that every character has a doppelganger walking around

      Especially this season after we saw WEvil Queen and WHook and we know Rumple's storyline is getting rid of the Darkness while there is another Dark One in the Wish Realm

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Xtian MadHatter wrote:
      Oh god why do people keep being obsessed with these wish characters in every thread? One Wish Hook is confusing enough. Moreover, as some already said, spending time with a wish character in the final episodes is totally lacking focus.

      Personally, I hate the wish realm, it's a McGuffin that exist only to fix Robin Hood and now they keep overusing it. So I guess I'm a bit emotional when some want to cram it into the show. So, sorry...

      I don't think we should ignore that every character has a doppelganger walking around

      Especially this season after we saw WEvil Queen and WHook and we know Rumple's storyline is getting rid of the Darkness while there is another Dark One in the Wish Realm

      We know the whole concept of the wish realm is messed up, but I don't think it is the intent that we are supposted to think about all the wish characters and what that means to other realms. The only reason the wish realm even came up this season is because they needed to leave Hook with Emma, but they needed a Hook to be in HH as well. So they used the easiest option of WHook.

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    • I so despise the Wish Realm. To me it was a bit insulting to Robin Hood's character and I hate that we have a main character from it in the show. The only way I will ever be okay with the WR is if it's stated that it existed without the EQ's wish and she just sent Emma there. The writers can't seem to decide if people from there matter or not. But I guess this is getting way off topic now!

      I'm excited to see what they show us.

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    • Xtian MadHatter wrote:
      Oh god why do people keep being obsessed with these wish characters in every thread? One Wish Hook is confusing enough. Moreover, as some already said, spending time with a wish character in the final episodes is totally lacking focus.

      Personally, I hate the wish realm, it's a McGuffin that exist only to fix Robin Hood and now they keep overusing it. So I guess I'm a bit emotional when some want to cram it into the show. So, sorry...

      Well, the Wish Realm will appear again accoring to the promo we saw tonight

      So, prepare yourself XD

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Xtian MadHatter wrote:
      Oh god why do people keep being obsessed with these wish characters in every thread? One Wish Hook is confusing enough. Moreover, as some already said, spending time with a wish character in the final episodes is totally lacking focus.

      Personally, I hate the wish realm, it's a McGuffin that exist only to fix Robin Hood and now they keep overusing it. So I guess I'm a bit emotional when some want to cram it into the show. So, sorry...

      Well, the Wish Realm will appear again accoring to the promo we saw tonight

      So, prepare yourself XD

      Either that, or Smee comes back to the EF-2 for some reason and Wish Hook has a duel with someone (I'm assuming it's Ahab). By the way, did guns exist in the EF prior to this episode?

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    • It's the exact same location we saw in 7x07, when WHook and WEvilQueen met, so that is the Wish Realm

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    • Fair enough. I'm still confused over the guns though.

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    • Why are you discussing this on the Zelena centric episode? We have a thread for 713.

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    • Anyone have any speculation on the Zelena FB in this episode? She seemed to know who Gothel was, prior to meeting her in Memento Mori, do you think they meet in the FB?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Anyone have any speculation on the Zelena FB in this episode? She seemed to know who Gothel was, prior to meeting her in Memento Mori, do you think they meet in the FB?

      Maybe she was researching about other witches and sorcerer's attempts to create a time travel spell, and she came across Gothel a witch (not necessarily that she tried to go back in time, but just  you know, found her). 

      On another note, how old is Gothel? How is she so young, yet was in CORA's spell book? Her iconic existence I guess explains how Rumple was familiar with her.

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Anyone have any speculation on the Zelena FB in this episode? She seemed to know who Gothel was, prior to meeting her in Memento Mori, do you think they meet in the FB?
      Maybe she was researching about other witches and sorcerer's attempts to create a time travel spell, and she came across Gothel a witch (not necessarily that she tried to go back in time, but just  you know, found her). 

      On another note, how old is Gothel? How is she so young, yet was in CORA's spell book? Her iconic existence I guess explains how Rumple was familiar with her.

      I really hope they'll explain why Gothel was in Cora's spellbook. Maybe they both wanted to become Dark Ones.

      P.S: It is confirmed that we'll see more Authors and differents books with their own mythologies, what do you think about that? I'd love to see the Brothers Grimm, Hans Christian Andersen, Charles Perrault, etc.

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Anyone have any speculation on the Zelena FB in this episode? She seemed to know who Gothel was, prior to meeting her in Memento Mori, do you think they meet in the FB?
      Maybe she was researching about other witches and sorcerer's attempts to create a time travel spell, and she came across Gothel a witch (not necessarily that she tried to go back in time, but just  you know, found her). 

      On another note, how old is Gothel? How is she so young, yet was in CORA's spell book? Her iconic existence I guess explains how Rumple was familiar with her.

      She's a nymph, not a human, so she isn't going to age like a human would.

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    • I'm excited we are getting this episode, because we get to see Oz one last time, but I'm also a bit nervous about it, because there is so much Oz stuff that could be covered, and I think it may just be something like Gothel coming to Oz for reasons. I hope not though, and we see Dorothy, or Zelena's father, or even a new character like Mombi.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm excited we are getting this episode, because we get to see Oz one last time, but I'm also a bit nervous about it, because there is so much Oz stuff that could be covered, and I think it may just be something like Gothel coming to Oz for reasons. I hope not though, and we see Dorothy, or Zelena's father, or even a new character like Mombi.

      Wait, how do we know we'll get to see Oz?

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    • The Great Sorcerer wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm excited we are getting this episode, because we get to see Oz one last time, but I'm also a bit nervous about it, because there is so much Oz stuff that could be covered, and I think it may just be something like Gothel coming to Oz for reasons. I hope not though, re we see Dorothy, or Zelena's father, or even a new character like Mombi.

      Wait, how do we know we'll get to see Oz?

      We see Zelena in her old attire. It’s not like she gets around.

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    • The Great Sorcerer wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm excited we are getting this episode, because we get to see Oz one last time, but I'm also a bit nervous about it, because there is so much Oz stuff that could be covered, and I think it may just be something like Gothel coming to Oz for reasons. I hope not though, and we see Dorothy, or Zelena's father, or even a new character like Mombi.
      Wait, how do we know we'll get to see Oz?

      We had green Zelena with pendant confirmed in this episode's FB. That basically guarentees Oz is showing up.

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    • I'm so curious what is going to be shown in this FB. I'm almost starting to wonder if part of it is going to show Zelena spying on Regina, so we can see Regina and Facilier meeting, because I'm not sure where else that would fit, but it seems important to see.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm so curious what is going to be shown in this FB. I'm almost starting to wonder if part of it is going to show Zelena spying on Regina, so we can see Regina and Facilier meeting, because I'm not sure where else that would fit, but it seems important to see.

      But the way Zelena talked about Facilier in 7x12 is like she doesn't know him in person (or know that he met Regina). 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm so curious what is going to be shown in this FB. I'm almost starting to wonder if part of it is going to show Zelena spying on Regina, so we can see Regina and Facilier meeting, because I'm not sure where else that would fit, but it seems important to see.
      But the way Zelena talked about Facilier in 7x12 is like she doesn't know him in person (or know that he met Regina). 

      Oh, good point. Sigh.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm so curious what is going to be shown in this FB. I'm almost starting to wonder if part of it is going to show Zelena spying on Regina, so we can see Regina and Facilier meeting, because I'm not sure where else that would fit, but it seems important to see.
      But the way Zelena talked about Facilier in 7x12 is like she doesn't know him in person (or know that he met Regina). 
      Oh, good point. Sigh.

      I really think this is Oz, a pre-season 3 flashback which is also a goodbye to Oz (if it does not appear in a montage in the finale like they did with The Final Battle.) 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm so curious what is going to be shown in this FB. I'm almost starting to wonder if part of it is going to show Zelena spying on Regina, so we can see Regina and Facilier meeting, because I'm not sure where else that would fit, but it seems important to see.
      But the way Zelena talked about Facilier in 7x12 is like she doesn't know him in person (or know that he met Regina). 
      Oh, good point. Sigh.
      I really think this is Oz, a pre-season 3 flashback which is also a goodbye to Oz (if it does not appear in a montage in the finale like they did with The Final Battle.) 

      Yeah, I agree this will probably be the last time we see Oz. Hopefully we might get a new area of Oz. The China Town would be cool to see.

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    • I think it would be a very missed oppurtunity for the flashback not to show an Oz witch like Mombi. Makes total sense to me. Not sure how it will reflect present day events like a wedding though. 

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      I think it would be a very missed oppurtunity for the flashback not to show an Oz witch like Mombi. Makes total sense to me. Not sure how it will reflect present day events like a wedding though. 

      If they have a wedding in the present day, it will still fit, because that would still focus around Zelena. And that is what this episode is, Zelena-centric.

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    • As much as I love Zelena and Oz FBs, I'm kind of confused why we are getting that over other FBs that I think would have been more important to get this season. Hopefully it makes sense why we need this FB when we see it.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: As much as I love Zelena and Oz FBs, I'm kind of confused why we are getting that over other FBs that I think would have been more important to get this season. Hopefully it makes sense why we need this FB when we see it.

      This is Zelena’s send off, in a sense. Everybody gets one. I think it’s nothing more than that. I hope we get a Witch but there’s a big chance we don’t.

      Like a Witch and/or knowledge about how Zelena knew about Gothel would be a solid flashback.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: As much as I love Zelena and Oz FBs, I'm kind of confused why we are getting that over other FBs that I think would have been more important to get this season. Hopefully it makes sense why we need this FB when we see it.

      This is Zelena’s send off, in a sense. Everybody gets one. I think it’s nothing more than that. I hope we get a Witch but there’s a big chance we don’t.

      Like a Witch and/or knowledge about how Zelena knew about Gothel would be a solid flashback.

      A witch would make so much sense though.

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: As much as I love Zelena and Oz FBs, I'm kind of confused why we are getting that over other FBs that I think would have been more important to get this season. Hopefully it makes sense why we need this FB when we see it.

      This is Zelena’s send off, in a sense. Everybody gets one. I think it’s nothing more than that. I hope we get a Witch but there’s a big chance we don’t.

      Like a Witch and/or knowledge about how Zelena knew about Gothel would be a solid flashback.

      A witch would make so much sense though.

      Anything’s possible in Wo—this show.

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    • If Regina has to make her choice (7x14), here it is: chosen.

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    • Bottondoro wrote:
      If Regina has to make her choice (7x14), here it is: chosen.

      She could but the episode title is very likely to be reflecting Zelena since this is her centric.

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    • Munchkins are appearing in the finale, wonder if that means they will appear in this episode as well (in FB).

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    • Can we get the death of the WWOE and then Mombi shows up? Please!

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Can we get the death of the WWOE and then Mombi shows up? Please!

      What's the WWOE?

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Can we get the death of the WWOE and then Mombi shows up? Please!
      What's the WWOE?

      Wicked Witch of the East

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Can we get the death of the WWOE and then Mombi shows up? Please!
      What's the WWOE?
      Wicked Witch of the East

      Oh God, please! I'd love to see that! 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Can we get the death of the WWOE and then Mombi shows up? Please!
      What's the WWOE?
      Wicked Witch of the East
      Oh God, please! I'd love to see that! 

      Always wanted them to adapt the classic Wizard of Oz story.

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    • Maybe even have the WWOE show up and be bragging and showing off and a house falls on her and the Munchkins have some hope in their eyes and then Mombi appears with a smirk and says: "Oops, clumsy me, dropping houses all willy-nilly!" Waits a second and then says, "Be gone before someone drops a house on you!"  The Munchkins scatter and Zelena appears and tells her no one terrorizes the people of Oz but her.

      So much potential! I hope Mombi shows up...and I hope Ozma gets a mention.

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    • I'm still so curious what we will see in this FB. Whatever it is, I hope it is some interesting Oz stuff. They have so many things they could do still!

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    • In the tragedy worse than Weaver's death, where there is no witch in this flashback, what do you guys think this flashback will have? I doubt Dorothy will be returning seeing as there hasn't been any spottings of her or peculiar announcements like Blackbeard. I hope the episode contributes more to the plotline than "Where Bluebirds Fly" and we don't get Stannum'd. 

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      In the tragedy worse than Weaver's death, where there is no witch in this flashback, what do you guys think this flashback will have? I doubt Dorothy will be returning seeing as there hasn't been any spottings of her or peculiar announcements like Blackbeard. I hope the episode contributes more to the plotline than "Where Bluebirds Fly" and we don't get Stannum'd. 

      I could see Dorothy appearing. She probably wouldn't have filmed much (just some of the FB), and it would have been all on green screen, so it isn't like we would have gotten a set report.

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    • Blurb in TV Guide about this episode: [x]

      "The Evil Queen is in power! More specifically, Lana Parrilla (above center) is making her directorial debut on the fantasy drama. "I love prep. I love homework. I love digging deep," she says. Tonight's focus: her TV sister, Wicked Witch Zelena (Rebecca Mader). "She's coming to terms with her darker self," Parrilla says. "and finding ways to fight for what she wants, which is a better life."

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    • I don't think its saying anything. Like, there are words, but I don't think it has much weight or menaing to it....in a nice way. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Blurb in TV Guide about this episode: [x]

      "The Evil Queen is in power! More specifically, Lana Parrilla (above center) is making her directorial debut on the fantasy drama. "I love prep. I love homework. I love digging deep," she says. Tonight's focus: her TV sister, Wicked Witch Zelena (Rebecca Mader). "She's coming to terms with her darker self," Parrilla says. "and finding ways to fight for what she wants, which is a better life."

      If that's so, I hope it touches on the stuff she's actually done then. Still hoping for Mombi!

      A shocking plot twist would be her adressing raping Robin wink wink nudge nudge. 

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:

      A shocking plot twist would be her adressing raping Robin wink wink nudge nudge. 

      I read Robin as in Baby Hood...and was like Mombi did what? These names, geez.

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    • Okay, so let's theorize with what we know so far:

      • Present: Kelly and Chad, her send-off, etc.
      • Flashback: Oz?
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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Okay, so let's theorize with what we know so far:
      • Present: Kelly and Chad, her send-off, etc.
      • Flashback: Oz?

      Yes.

      I mean, that's essentially it. I'm guessing it's about Chad coming to grips after Zelena comes to grips to tell him "Hey, Chad! I'm not Kelly. I'm an evil--no wicked mass murdering and tyrannical Witch that has had a change of heart." 

      Flashback will be Zelena saying something along the lines of "I am Wicked!  Wicked always wins and I'm nobody else!" Hopefully Mombi, so Zelena isn't talking to the rabble of Muchkins and CGI monkeys.

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    • The excitement of having a fantastical land to see again! It's only been nine episodes since the trip to Wonderland but still... Out with the fiels and in with the...green screen backgrounds!

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      The excitement of having a fantastical land to see again! It's only been nine episodes since the trip to Wonderland but still... Out with the fiels and in with the...green screen backgrounds!

      Yes! Tired of only seeing the NEF. 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Leroiblanc wrote:
      The excitement of having a fantastical land to see again! It's only been nine episodes since the trip to Wonderland but still... Out with the fiels and in with the...green screen backgrounds!
      Yes! Tired of only seeing the NEF. 

      Especially since the NEF is mostly just fields and trees featuring a time-travelling tower, and occasional buildings. 

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Leroiblanc wrote:
      The excitement of having a fantastical land to see again! It's only been nine episodes since the trip to Wonderland but still... Out with the fiels and in with the...green screen backgrounds!
      Yes! Tired of only seeing the NEF. 
      Especially since the NEF is mostly just fields and trees featuring a time-travelling tower, and occasional buildings. 

      Yes! I hope this episode is entirely Oz/EF in flashbacks. I missed the realms from seasons 1-6 so much (except for the WR)! <3 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Okay, so let's theorize with what we know so far:
      • Present: Kelly and Chad, her send-off, etc.
      • Flashback: Oz?

      Send off? By 7x22 she's still around. 

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    • Zelena has had like 5 send-offs at this point lol

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    • Truest Believer wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Okay, so let's theorize with what we know so far:
      • Present: Kelly and Chad, her send-off, etc.
      • Flashback: Oz?
      Send off? By 7x22 she's still around. 

      Yes, she is not present on episodes 18-21. She prolly leaves to San Francisco with Chad. If this wasn't the final season, we wouldn't see her in 7x22.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Blurb in TV Guide about this episode: [x]

      "The Evil Queen is in power! More specifically, Lana Parrilla (above center) is making her directorial debut on the fantasy drama. "I love prep. I love homework. I love digging deep," she says. Tonight's focus: her TV sister, Wicked Witch Zelena (Rebecca Mader). "She's coming to terms with her darker self," Parrilla says. "and finding ways to fight for what she wants, which is a better life."

      Interesting. Maybe this means she kills her adoptive father in the FB. Or destroys the china village. Or something along those lines.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Okay, so let's theorize with what we know so far:
      • Present: Kelly and Chad, her send-off, etc.
      • Flashback: Oz?

      FB is almost certainly Oz, Bex was filming as green pendant Zelena.

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    • FB is almost certainly Oz, Bex was filming as green pendant Zelena.

      I know. But not necessarily. Zelena could just randomly turn green again (which i'd hate, but it sounds like something the writers would do). 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Truest Believer wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Okay, so let's theorize with what we know so far:
      • Present: Kelly and Chad, her send-off, etc.
      • Flashback: Oz?
      Send off? By 7x22 she's still around. 
      Yes, she is not present on episodes 18-21. She prolly leaves to San Francisco with Chad. If this wasn't the final season, we wouldn't see her in 7x22.

      Oh, I'm sorry, you're right.

      The blurb makes me think this will be Zelena's Page 23 (6x14), with her redemption and etc.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      FB is almost certainly Oz, Bex was filming as green pendant Zelena.

      I know. But not necessarily. Zelena could just randomly turn green again (which i'd hate, but it sounds like something the writers would do). 

      She could turn green again in present day, but she wouldn't change into the clothes she wore in Oz, and she certainly wouldn't have her pendant on as it has been destroyed and/or made useless when it resurrected her in Season 3. So like I said, Bex was filming as green pendant Zelena, so FB has to be Oz, or at the very least during the same time as when she was living in Oz.

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    • Umm, there are flashbacks in every episode. Oz is returning, especially since she was wearing her WW outfit and green and has the pendant. There's no ifs, ands, or buts.

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    • We've heard nothing about Chad or Kip Pardue being on set since 7x17, so that makes me think maybe the reveal doesn't go so well and it didn't work out with him. 

      But then Zelena does leave temporary after this episode and it'd make sense if she left to go back to San Francisco with Chad. Otherwise, I guess she'd just be benched offscreen like poor Sabine. 

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    • Maybe the flashback could end with her going to the enchanted forest? I always liked flashbacks that ended which lead up to events we've already seen (which happens in general but I mean like...super one after the other-like...like the Cricket Game!). 

      Chants Mombi continuously.

      I hope they don't "Girl in the Tower" us with the promo.

      Also, there's gonna be new zelena themes based off her motif! Mark Isham is great man. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      We've heard nothing about Chad or Kip Pardue being on set since 7x17, so that makes me think maybe the reveal doesn't go so well and it didn't work out with him. 

      But then Zelena does leave temporary after this episode and it'd make sense if she left to go back to San Francisco with Chad. Otherwise, I guess she'd just be benched offscreen like poor Sabine. 

      I think Zelena and Chad go back to San Fran, and Zelena comes back in the finale for reasons because it is the series finale.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      We've heard nothing about Chad or Kip Pardue being on set since 7x17, so that makes me think maybe the reveal doesn't go so well and it didn't work out with him. 

      But then Zelena does leave temporary after this episode and it'd make sense if she left to go back to San Francisco with Chad. Otherwise, I guess she'd just be benched offscreen like poor Sabine. 

      I think Zelena and Chad go back to San Fran, and Zelena comes back in the finale for reasons because it is the series finale.

      Not to mention, unlike the other characters, he has absolutely no experience in magic or the things that they go through. It's possible, he'd be more of a hinderance than help. Plus, Zelena wouldn't want to put her fiance in danger.

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    • The promo for this episode leaked! ABC made a mistake x)

      It got deleted but some people got the time to keep it. Will prolly be online before tonight's episode ^^

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    • .... So... Hansel, Gretel & Blind Witch II have a history with Zelena?

      Interesting.

      https://twitter.com/DHCentral/status/982330687905644544

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    • So Zelena is Jack's "blind witch"? Alright then. And he's around for another episode after 7x16, so I guess we don't really know when he exits. 

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      .... So... Hansel, Gretel & Blind Witch II have a history with Zelena?

      Interesting.

      https://twitter.com/DHCentral/status/982330687905644544

      Oh my god! Oh my god! I'm so excited! 

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    • This has gotten really interesting! But why did Zelena travel to the new realm back then?

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      So Zelena is Jack's "blind witch"? Alright then. And he's around for another episode after 7x16, so I guess we don't really know when he exits. 

      I guess no? Since the Blind Witch is present in the promo?

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      .... So... Hansel, Gretel & Blind Witch II have a history with Zelena?

      Interesting.

      https://twitter.com/DHCentral/status/982330687905644544

      @Lady Junky are we allowed to edit the page with this new info or not because it is a leaked promo?

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      So Zelena is Jack's "blind witch"? Alright then. And he's around for another episode after 7x16, so I guess we don't really know when he exits. 
      I guess no? Since the Blind Witch is present in the promo?

      As in she's the witch that ultimately caused the most problems for Hansel and Gretel, not the traditional Blind Witch. When they teased earlier in the season about the witch killer having a personal vendetta, sounds like they meant Zelena.

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    • This isn’t fair! Twitter’s down for me. I’m melting with all these tears streaming down from my eyes! Oh, what a world!

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      .... So... Hansel, Gretel & Blind Witch II have a history with Zelena?

      Interesting.

      https://twitter.com/DHCentral/status/982330687905644544

      OMG! I did not see this coming. Super excited though. It is also funny, because I was just thinking about wouldn't it be funny if Hansel and Gretel were Zelena's adoptive father's children from a previous relationship that he sent away (because he is a woodcutter), thus relating Hansel and Zelena in this episode, and now they are (although related in a different way). Also, looks like we will get to see this version of the Hansel and Gretel story! Yay!

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    • Well, as much as i'm super excited for this, i guess the timeline's more f*cked up than ever.

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    • Oh gosh, I so excited, but I’m blinder than that witch!

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    • So, Henry getting into Nick's car should happen at the end of 7x16, considering he's tied up with Nick in this episode.

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    • Here is the promo:

      http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/File:7x17_-_Chosen_-_Promo

      In case some people can't watch it on Twitter :)

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    • So, Nick kidnaps Henry. At least make it erotic, I mean friendly if Nick has his memories.

      I’m so happy that we are going to see a witch and it’s Hilda. So, epic! I’m excited enough to be hyped for the next five episodes! Hopefully we get to see the others since—I didn’t expect this.

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    • Crackpot theory: Zelena has always been Wish Zelena. She’s the daughter of Wish Cora and sister of Wish Queen. Oz dwells in the side of the “New” places. The FTL Zelena disappeared into the void as a baby to never be seen again.

      Long live Wish Realm!

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    • Didn't Gretel say that Hansel had burns on his arms? Jack/Nick don't seem to have any.

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    • Calibaz wrote: Didn't Gretel say that Hansel had burns on his arms? Jack/Nick don't seem to have any.

      Burns heal. Vial of magic. Gretel’s healing touch. True Love’s bro hug from Henry. Many, many easy explanations.

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    • I'm not sure how to feel about this. I was really expecting Mombi and the closer we get to the end, the likelier it is we might not even see all of the witches. Although it's not a filler story so I'm sure it'll be fine.

      The present day story has got Hat Trick vibes to it. Wondering if Nick woke up Henry or not though... Either or is interesting.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      So, Nick kidnaps Henry. At least make it erotic, I mean friendly if Nick has his memories.

      I would not mind that.

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      So, Nick kidnaps Henry. At least make it erotic, I mean friendly if Nick has his memories.
      I would not mind that.

      Neither I would!! Hahahah

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:

      Leroiblanc wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      So, Nick kidnaps Henry. At least make it erotic, I mean friendly if Nick has his memories.
      I would not mind that.

      Neither I would!! Hahahah

      I mean it’s clear that Henry was meant for non-Ella brunettes! They keep binding him up!

      I do hope that he survives and can still be friends, even if it’s from jail. Henry literally has no other friends minus family.

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    • The witch's house looks like it's from a 1980's movie... But I'm so thrilled to see Hilda's backstory ! Otherwise the scenes between Nick and Henry look hot.

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    • What do you lot think the "I'm tired of paying for her sins" line is referring to? If it's herself, I hope it's accepting herself as the one who did stuff and not another Regina/EQ... Otherwise it could be Hilda the Blind Witch...but I also hope it's not her blaming her for whatever she did to Hansel and Gretel.

      I also realized, Zelena told this story when she was pregnant! That was the highlight of that arc for me... I guess that's why she likes the story so much? (then at least). 

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    • CaptainCobra wrote: The witch's house looks like it's from a 1980's movie... But I'm so thrilled to see Hilda's backstory ! Otherwise the scenes between Nick and Henry look hot.

      Yeah, I’m waiting for the official promo and maybe the episode because the house looked like some cornered off room in a child’s museum or something. Depends on what world it’s in. If it’s in Oz, I can buy it. If it’s not, they need more darkness to not make it an exhibit in Willy Wonka’s factory.

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    • Leroiblanc wrote: What do you lot think the "I'm tired of paying for her sins" line is referring to? If it's herself, I hope it's accepting herself as the one who did stuff and not another Regina/EQ... Otherwise it could be Hilda the Blind Witch...but I also hope it's not her blaming her for whatever she did to Hansel and Gretel.

      I also realized, Zelena told this story when she was pregnant! That was the highlight of that arc for me... I guess that's why she likes the story so much? (then at least). 

      When the writers remember their own writing, it’s amazing!

      The promos are always misleading, so I’d wait.

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    • Leroiblanc wrote: What do you lot think the "I'm tired of paying for her sins" line is referring to? If it's herself, I hope it's accepting herself as the one who did stuff and not another Regina/EQ... Otherwise it could be Hilda the Blind Witch...but I also hope it's not her blaming her for whatever she did to Hansel and Gretel.

      I also realized, Zelena told this story when she was pregnant! That was the highlight of that arc for me... I guess that's why she likes the story so much? (then at least). 

      I guess she was referring to the Blind Witch since they seem to fight (I'm hoping to see a magic dual) !

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    • CaptainCobra wrote:

      Leroiblanc wrote: What do you lot think the "I'm tired of paying for her sins" line is referring to? If it's herself, I hope it's accepting herself as the one who did stuff and not another Regina/EQ... Otherwise it could be Hilda the Blind Witch...but I also hope it's not her blaming her for whatever she did to Hansel and Gretel.

      I also realized, Zelena told this story when she was pregnant! That was the highlight of that arc for me... I guess that's why she likes the story so much? (then at least). 

      I guess she was referring to the Blind Witch since they seem to fight (I'm hoping to see a magic dual) !

      Don’t give your hopes up. This is amped Zelena and a lower budget show. Expect one telekinetic push and a poof or two.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      CaptainCobra wrote:

      Leroiblanc wrote: What do you lot think the "I'm tired of paying for her sins" line is referring to? If it's herself, I hope it's accepting herself as the one who did stuff and not another Regina/EQ... Otherwise it could be Hilda the Blind Witch...but I also hope it's not her blaming her for whatever she did to Hansel and Gretel.

      I also realized, Zelena told this story when she was pregnant! That was the highlight of that arc for me... I guess that's why she likes the story so much? (then at least). 

      I guess she was referring to the Blind Witch since they seem to fight (I'm hoping to see a magic dual) !
      Don’t give your hopes up. This is amped Zelena and a lower budget show. Expect one telekinetic push and a poof or two.

      Green poofs it is. 

      Now just where is this taking place? 

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    • CaptainCobra wrote:
      The witch's house looks like it's from a 1980's movie...

      Yeah, the house looks like...cardboard.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      CaptainCobra wrote:

      Leroiblanc wrote: What do you lot think the "I'm tired of paying for her sins" line is referring to? If it's herself, I hope it's accepting herself as the one who did stuff and not another Regina/EQ... Otherwise it could be Hilda the Blind Witch...but I also hope it's not her blaming her for whatever she did to Hansel and Gretel.

      I also realized, Zelena told this story when she was pregnant! That was the highlight of that arc for me... I guess that's why she likes the story so much? (then at least). 

      I guess she was referring to the Blind Witch since they seem to fight (I'm hoping to see a magic dual) !
      Don’t give your hopes up. This is amped Zelena and a lower budget show. Expect one telekinetic push and a poof or two.

      I've been waiting to see BW poofing since season 1 X)

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    • CaptainCobra wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      CaptainCobra wrote:

      Leroiblanc wrote: What do you lot think the "I'm tired of paying for her sins" line is referring to? If it's herself, I hope it's accepting herself as the one who did stuff and not another Regina/EQ... Otherwise it could be Hilda the Blind Witch...but I also hope it's not her blaming her for whatever she did to Hansel and Gretel.

      I also realized, Zelena told this story when she was pregnant! That was the highlight of that arc for me... I guess that's why she likes the story so much? (then at least). 

      I guess she was referring to the Blind Witch since they seem to fight (I'm hoping to see a magic dual) !
      Don’t give your hopes up. This is amped Zelena and a lower budget show. Expect one telekinetic push and a poof or two.

      I've been waiting to see BW poofing since season 1 X)

      I mean Zelena. Can’t use new footage for the Witch. (Joking because they might do something awesome, but doesn’t look like it from the promo.)

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      CaptainCobra wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      CaptainCobra wrote:

      Leroiblanc wrote: What do you lot think the "I'm tired of paying for her sins" line is referring to? If it's herself, I hope it's accepting herself as the one who did stuff and not another Regina/EQ... Otherwise it could be Hilda the Blind Witch...but I also hope it's not her blaming her for whatever she did to Hansel and Gretel.

      I also realized, Zelena told this story when she was pregnant! That was the highlight of that arc for me... I guess that's why she likes the story so much? (then at least). 

      I guess she was referring to the Blind Witch since they seem to fight (I'm hoping to see a magic dual) !
      Don’t give your hopes up. This is amped Zelena and a lower budget show. Expect one telekinetic push and a poof or two.

      I've been waiting to see BW poofing since season 1 X)

      I mean Zelena. Can’t use new footage for the Witch. (Joking because they might do something awesome, but doesn’t look like it from the promo.)

      BW will do magic too, she won't wait to be defeated when she has her supper in cages...

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    • Oooh episode looks exciting.

      Also, I was not expecting to meet Chad like that. 

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    • Really looking forward to this episode now

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    • I wasn’t expecting introducing Chad like that. I’m wondering if Henry is awake now by that episode

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    • Avengingoncer wrote: I wasn’t expecting introducing Chad like that. I’m wondering if Henry is awake now by that episode

      Technically, Chad likely appears before that scene in the episode.

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    • Wait what I thought the promo airs after the previous episode!

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      Wait what I thought the promo airs after the previous episode!

      The promo was leaked accidentally by ABC.

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    • The promo seems VERY cool, I can see this will be my Zelena's centric. 

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    • Green Zelena. RIP timeline, that is if it wasn’t WZelena, perhaps WZelena is in the coven.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      Green Zelena. RIP timeline, that is if it wasn’t WZelena, perhaps WZelena is in the coven.

      It just takes place prior to the original curse. It's definitely not WZelena since our Zelena is quite aware of the event. 

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    • Well, we all saw the promo earlier, but still looked nice on my tv screen. XD

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    • Forgive me for jumping back to 6x16 - what did Kelly say she missed? "I miss ---- too". I heard it as Churlus (or Charlus). Any ideas?

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    • HarryPotterRules1 wrote: Forgive me for jumping back to 6x16 - what did Kelly say she missed? "I miss ---- too". I heard it as Churlus (or Charlus). Any ideas?

      Chad. Her fiancé ^^

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    • It ended with "us", so it can't be Chad.

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    • HarryPotterRules1 wrote: It ended with "us", so it can't be Chad.

      ... I'm not trying to make a discussion ^^' She was talking about her fiancé, whose name is Chad. You just misunderstood.

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    • I've watched it several times back now. She explicitly says "I miss Churlus too". I'm on my fifth watch of that scene...

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    • HarryPotterRules1 wrote:
      I've watched it several times back now. She explicitly says "I miss Churlus too". I'm on my fifth watch of that scene...

      She says "Chad" but briefly says "I" and then also briefly sighs. 

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    • HarryPotterRules1 wrote: I've watched it several times back now. She explicitly says "I miss Churlus too". I'm on my fifth watch of that scene...

      Then, I'm sorry to tell you but you keep misunderstanding what she is saying ^^'

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    • How odd. I thought it was "jealous" to start with...

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    • No, I don't Junky. She says "Churlus"; there's no D in it at all. We need to ask Adam to confirm it... 

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    • HarryPotterRules1 wrote: No, I don't Junky. She says "Churlus"; there's no D in it at all. We need to ask Adam to confirm it... 

      .... Okay, I'm done. Here is Chad. We have tons and tons of articles confirming that his name is Chad.

      Now, if you really want to get an answer from Adam on that, feel free to ask him ^^

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    • That's the point - she's talking to Margot, so I think Churlus or Charlus is the name of the fake!father Margot and Kelly have memories of.

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    • HarryPotterRules1 wrote:
      That's the point - she's talking to Margot, so I think Churlus or Charlus is the name of the fake!father Margot and Kelly have memories of.

      Churlus or Charlus aren't real names. It is probably just Chad, and her accent is making it hard to understand.

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    • Charlus is a name - Charlus could refer back to the name Charles. It is derived from the Germanic karl or hari. It can mean "man" or "army, warrior".

      Given that it ends in the "ss" sound, it can't be Chad as D and SS are VERY different sounding. I've asked A+E anyway...

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    • "Maybe you're right about Chad... I miss him terribly."

      https://youtu.be/XYlcftSWJV8?t=56

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    • There are links out already? Damn people are quick!

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    • That didn't help - I still hear it; and the closed captions have it as "Charlie," so that's really not a help.

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    • I think she says "about Chad, I... I miss him terribly". It's an "I" combined with a sigh before completing the sentence, I guess

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    • HarryPotterRules1 wrote:
      That didn't help - I still hear it; and the closed captions have it as "Charlie," so that's really not a help.

      Lady is correct. Bex kind of slurs on "I miss", the line may have been "I just miss", and she kind of said it like "Chad, I ju' miss", which brings us to your Charlus. Ta da!

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    • That makes more sense...

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    • It's definitely Chad. When I first watched it I heard Charles, lol, but my mind translated it as Chad in a blink. I did still ctach it. But the second time I heard it it was Chad, no mistaking it. I think sometimes the more we are sure of something we hear it it as what we expect..I do this with songs all the time...for ages I thought Sia's "Chandelier" was saying "I wannna sing, from the Chimnies..."  Don't ask me why. -_-

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    • So, it seems the next witch is Zelena and that's it?

      We are done with the Witch Killer arc? 

      At this point I expect they'll at least mention the other witches

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    • You know what's weird? Jack and Zelena must have been in the same circles for like at least 8 years. He was Henry's best friend, Zelena had moved to the NEF and was around the family.

      Did he have an eye on her the whole time? It's a shame it doesn't look like they had the time for an adult Jack flashback because that's a long time for the group not to notice Jack's tendencies or for him to be hiding the fact that he wanted to kill so much. What a long con. 

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      So, it seems the next witch is Zelena and that's it?

      We are done with the Witch Killer arc? 

      At this point I expect they'll at least mention the other witches

      Nick and Gothel ALL have to be done by 6x20 ready for the end of the Season Storybrooke arc. So we have three episodes, approximately, to wrap up the Coven and the Candy Killer arcs.

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    • Despite the random debate about obvious facts....I'm surprised that the promo didn't look better quality wise.

      Nick really have to had a long con. I guess he went after the Coven and Zelena (due to history). But he never really showed signs of any of it. Lol, loooks like he really waited because magic and stuff.

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    • I'm really scared that they're going to mess up the timeline in this episode.

      It looks like we have a Green Zelena in the NEF where time moves faster

      (the only way this can logistically work is if it happens JUST before S3B, and having Jack/Hansel be around Henry's age in S2, but then idk how that'd work with the NEF's time flowing faster)

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    • Edzz wrote:
      I'm really scared that they're going to mess up the timeline in this episode.

      It looks like we have a Green Zelena in the NEF where time moves faster

      (the only way this can logistically work is if it happens JUST before S3B, and having Jack/Hansel be around Henry's age in S2, but then idk how that'd work with the NEF's time flowing faster)

      We don't know how much faster time moves in NEF, and we don't know exactly how old Jack/Hansel is in present day (he could be anywhere between 20 to 50 with the way Once casts), so I wouldn't worry about this as I'm sure they won't be overly specific.

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    • This has to be before 3B because Zelena has her pendant

      At this point we can only assune Zelena constantly de-ages herself so she always look the same

      Also, we have to assume Hansel and Gretel went to other lands where time moves slower than EF/SB

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    • I'm confused. Jack is from NEF and Zelena is from the origional Oz. How did their paths cross? If this happened before 3B why wouldn't she have brought it up before? I'm still really confused about the timeline. Since I still don't understand how Ella is around Henry's age when she was born many years before the curse, Jack could very well be the same age.

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    • Begfhn wrote: I'm confused. Jack is from NEF and Zelena is from the origional Oz. How did their paths cross? If this happened before 3B why wouldn't she have brought it up before? I'm still really confused about the timeline. Since I still don't understand how Ella is around Henry's age when she was born many years before the curse, Jack could very well be the same age.

      I think you are conflating a few things.

      1. Given NFTL has portals that pop up on regularly scheduled intervals, Zelena probably visted due to a crazy witchy pest.

      2. Zelena wouldn’t bring up this. Why would she? She ran into some kids and a witch decade ago...and what of it? It’s not like she recognized Hansel. Zelena did appear aware of Gothel and her world, so they at least gave hint to it in 11.

      3. Timeline is pretty easy. It appears that Oz, FTL, LWM, and NFTL progress time at the same rate. Wish Realm is the anomaly.

      So, Ella was born around the time of the curse and grew up post the time freeze. All realms were frozen durin the 28 years. I think we all know this.

      Hansel was probably ten and this flashback takes place right before the curse and the time freeze.

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    • 8Rob wrote: This has to be before 3B because Zelena has her pendant

      At this point we can only assune Zelena constantly de-ages herself so she always look the same

      Also, we have to assume Hansel and Gretel went to other lands where time moves slower than EF/SB

      It’s before the dark curse. (Though nothin technically stops it from being during the missing year, but I feel Zelena was busy or something.

      Zelena doesn’t deage based on any of this. When she met Rumple and took over Oz, she was like 20 and ten year old Dorothy grew up. Like, we see the same happen with 18ish year old Regina and 10 year old Snow.

      Hansel and Gretel don’t have to go anywhere because:

      10 (before curse) —-28 years Frozen—- 18 or so years pass. Gretel and Hansel are like 28.

      I think everyone is thinking those things are inconsistent but they aren’t. Wish Realm and Robin are the real kickers.

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    • Ok so I actually think this really doesn't hurt the timeline at all (Esk pretty much explained it all so...). Seeing as how Drizella was at least 25... (given Alice's time in the tower, 17 years, and assuming she was about 8 or 10), and Gretel appeared about the same age, the timeline can fit. 

      -Zelena goes to the NEF to meet the Blind Witch, Hansel, and Gretel (who are probably around 10 or 12), then does stuff

      -Curse gets cast, time is frozen

      -At least 17 years pass (due to Robyn's age), assuming time flows at around the same time... Hansel ends up around 25ish+, along with Gretel.

      ~

      The more I consider this episode, the more excited I get! Seeing as how we're getting more Kelly and Weaver interactions, can we get an apology for murdering his son, as well as enslaving him? Please please please please please ple- 

      I hope Nick reveals more about his plans, how he is awake, why he waited, etc. Maybe he got Jefferson'd? But then I'm not sure what stopped him from killing earlier... Maybe he wasn't gonna wake up until he heard "Henry" ? I think him seeing them magicless and Henry getting poisoned was probably what put him over the edge... Or he waited eight years figuring out how to deal with magic. It's not like he could have known about Zelena though. It's apparent that eventually Zelena went off and built a house and stayed there for a while, so she wasn't visiting the others all the time when Jack/Hansel was there.

      Here's hoping it lives up to its "Hat Trick" vibes... and is a good Zelena centric.

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    • What do you lot think Zelena did to Hansel (and Gretel)? Could she have been the one to have put Hansel in the oven? It would make sense for "the one who hurt me the most". Leaving the kids with the witches would be pretty bad too...Or maybe she also is responsible for inspiring Gretel to learn magic. Or all three. Whatever it is, I hope they balance out Zelena's wickedness with her good wickedness lol (*cough* apologies *cough*). 

      I think it'd be interesting to see Kelly and Roni discuss their interactions with Hansel and Gretel. 

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    • ↑ Especially considering each Mills sister wronged a different version of Hansel and Gretel

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Begfhn wrote: I'm confused. Jack is from NEF and Zelena is from the origional Oz. How did their paths cross? If this happened before 3B why wouldn't she have brought it up before? I'm still really confused about the timeline. Since I still don't understand how Ella is around Henry's age when she was born many years before the curse, Jack could very well be the same age.

      I think you are conflating a few things.

      1. Given NFTL has portals that pop up on regularly scheduled intervals, Zelena probably visted due to a crazy witchy pest.

      2. Zelena wouldn’t bring up this. Why would she? She ran into some kids and a witch decade ago...and what of it? It’s not like she recognized Hansel. Zelena did appear aware of Gothel and her world, so they at least gave hint to it in 11.

      3. Timeline is pretty easy. It appears that Oz, FTL, LWM, and NFTL progress time at the same rate. Wish Realm is the anomaly.

      So, Ella was born around the time of the curse and grew up post the time freeze. All realms were frozen durin the 28 years. I think we all know this.

      Hansel was probably ten and this flashback takes place right before the curse and the time freeze.

      NFTL does not experience time at the same rate. I think that has already been confirmed. The curse did not affect WR and I don't think it effected NFTL either. How was Alice able to age? There is something wrong with the timeline. If we are going to talk in depth about the timeline, there is another discussion for that which I started.

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    • Begfhn wrote:

      NFTL does not experience time at the same rate. I think that has already been confirmed. The curse did not affect WR and I don't think it effected NFTL either. How was Alice able to age? There is something wrong with the timeline. If we are going to talk in depth about the timeline, there is another discussion for that which I started.

      Nope. Hasn't been confirmed.The only thing that was confirmed was that NFTL and WR do not match timeflow and that WR doesn't match LWM.

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/939916046101659648

      Basically:

      1. WR doesn't match LWM/FTL and those that flow equally.

      2. WR doesn't match NFTL.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Begfhn wrote:

      NFTL does not experience time at the same rate. I think that has already been confirmed. The curse did not affect WR and I don't think it effected NFTL either. How was Alice able to age? There is something wrong with the timeline. If we are going to talk in depth about the timeline, there is another discussion for that which I started.

      Nope. Hasn't been confirmed.The only thing that was confirmed was that NFTL and WR do not match timeflow and that WR doesn't match LWM.

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/939916046101659648

      Basically:

      1. WR doesn't match LWM/FTL and those that flow equally.

      2. WR doesn't match NFTL.

      Probably unhelpful but what is NFTL and FTL? I Thought it was Enchanted Forest and New Enchanted Forest/Magical Forest. And the thread you tagged was mad confusing with Wish Realm in it. I thought wish realm was created at a certain point, but is like a duplicate, with all the history, and only diverges at one point. And adds Henry to it, bc EQ would never make a world where her son didn't exist/that would also make Emma suspicious of a missing part of her. And that wish realm continued from that point, even though the trapping Emma part broke. And is still going on. Bc Robin went back, before he and EQ went back to the OG EF.

      And then that MF/NEF is on an accelerated timeline from EF. But that you are able to cross between the worlds, through vertical standing portals, instead of the ground level portals used by the EF and LWM.

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    • I'm going to leave WR alone as it isn't present in this episode.

      Plus side, the Witch is wearing weird golden heels, so no Silver Slippers! (At least not WW of the East, but probably dropped that Candy house on her).

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    • MooniePie86 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Begfhn wrote:

      NFTL does not experience time at the same rate. I think that has already been confirmed. The curse did not affect WR and I don't think it effected NFTL either. How was Alice able to age? There is something wrong with the timeline. If we are going to talk in depth about the timeline, there is another discussion for that which I started.

      Nope. Hasn't been confirmed.The only thing that was confirmed was that NFTL and WR do not match timeflow and that WR doesn't match LWM.

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/939916046101659648

      Basically:

      1. WR doesn't match LWM/FTL and those that flow equally.

      2. WR doesn't match NFTL.

      Probably unhelpful but what is NFTL and FTL? I Thought it was Enchanted Forest and New Enchanted Forest/Magical Forest. And the thread you tagged was mad confusing with Wish Realm in it. I thought wish realm was created at a certain point, but is like a duplicate, with all the history, and only diverges at one point. And adds Henry to it, bc EQ would never make a world where her son didn't exist/that would also make Emma suspicious of a missing part of her. And that wish realm continued from that point, even though the trapping Emma part broke. And is still going on. Bc Robin went back, before he and EQ went back to the OG EF.

      And then that MF/NEF is on an accelerated timeline from EF. But that you are able to cross between the worlds, through vertical standing portals, instead of the ground level portals used by the EF and LWM.

      FTL = Fairy Tale Land, a world.

      NTFL = New Fairy Tale Land, another world.

      The Enchanted Forest, Camelot, Agrabah, Arendelle, and DunBroch are Fairy Tale Land realms.

      The New Enchanted Forest is a New Fairy Tale Land realm, as well as New Agrabah (mentioned in 708). 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      MooniePie86 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Begfhn wrote:

      NFTL does not experience time at the same rate. I think that has already been confirmed. The curse did not affect WR and I don't think it effected NFTL either. How was Alice able to age? There is something wrong with the timeline. If we are going to talk in depth about the timeline, there is another discussion for that which I started.

      Nope. Hasn't been confirmed.The only thing that was confirmed was that NFTL and WR do not match timeflow and that WR doesn't match LWM.

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/939916046101659648

      Basically:

      1. WR doesn't match LWM/FTL and those that flow equally.

      2. WR doesn't match NFTL.

      Probably unhelpful but what is NFTL and FTL? I Thought it was Enchanted Forest and New Enchanted Forest/Magical Forest. And the thread you tagged was mad confusing with Wish Realm in it. I thought wish realm was created at a certain point, but is like a duplicate, with all the history, and only diverges at one point. And adds Henry to it, bc EQ would never make a world where her son didn't exist/that would also make Emma suspicious of a missing part of her. And that wish realm continued from that point, even though the trapping Emma part broke. And is still going on. Bc Robin went back, before he and EQ went back to the OG EF.

      And then that MF/NEF is on an accelerated timeline from EF. But that you are able to cross between the worlds, through vertical standing portals, instead of the ground level portals used by the EF and LWM.

      FTL = Fairy Tale Land, a world.

      NTFL = New Fairy Tale Land, another world.

      The Enchanted Forest, Camelot, Agrabah, Arendelle, and DunBroch are Fairy Tale Land realms.

      The New Enchanted Forest is a New Fairy Tale Land realm, as well as New Agrabah (mentioned in 708). 

      Thank you, and New Agrabah, that's not where they went after getting it out the ring right?

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