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  • Eskaver
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    00:00, March 24, 2018

    https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/935927441242984448

    Written by Dana Horgan & Leah Fong.


    Quite certainly the Alice-centric we were waiting for ^^

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    • Yep. For a split second, I thought "Oh no, not another Rapunzel introduction!" XD

      For people who don't watch the show I'm sure 7x07 and 7x09's promos seemed bizarre.

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    • Okay, so if this is Alice... 713 actually is Hook-centric #3? ._.

      Eskaver wrote:
      Yep. For a split second, I thought "Oh no, not another Rapunzel introduction!" XD

      For people who don't watch the show I'm sure 7x07 and 7x09's promos seemed bizarre.

      I mean... Alice is kind of a form of Rapunzel. So.

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    • Once again, a title that is potentialy the Alice-centric we have been waiting for and most probably will be :)

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    • Another clue that it is the Alice-centric is the writers.

      So far, Horgan & Fong wrote all "big" episodes for Alice/Tilly: 704 & 708 ^^

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    • Alright, so FB is probably Alice living in the tower, and her eventual escape from it. Do we think 713 is WHook then? Also, I don't think we've had such a straight forward episode title in a while. XD

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    • I'll be very surprised if this isn't an Alice centric.

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    • If we don't see it in 709, maybe this is the episode where we'll see how Hook's heart was poisoned. And, theoretically by extension, his history with Tremaine. I'm still betting that she's the one who poisoned his heart, not Gothel. Gothel has no reason to A) return to the tower or B) care that Hook is visiting his daughter. Tremaine, however, would be pretty angry if she learned Hook allowed Gothel to escape and is easily vindictive enough to punish him for that even if it's not in a direct manner.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      If we don't see it in 709, maybe this is the episode where we'll see how Hook's heart was poisoned. And, theoretically by extension, his history with Tremaine. I'm still betting that she's the one who poisoned his heart, not Gothel. Gothel has no reason to A) return to the tower or B) care that Hook is visiting his daughter. Tremaine, however, would be pretty angry if she learned Hook allowed Gothel to escape and is easily vindictive enough to punish him for that even if it's not in a direct manner.


      I doubt we will see Hook's heart in 709. This ep is very Tremaine-centric.

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    • So, 7x13 has to be either WHook's or Rumple's centric 

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    • Alice's centric probably, but could be also Tremaine's as a prequel of 7x09 (with why Gothel trapped her in the tower, and what she sacrified for her family).

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      Alice's centric probably, but could be also Tremaine's as a prequel of 7x09 (with why Gothel trapped her in the tower, and what she sacrified for her family).

      I would assume we'll see -- or at least get a reference to -- that in 709.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote: If we don't see it in 709, maybe this is the episode where we'll see how Hook's heart was poisoned. And, theoretically by extension, his history with Tremaine. I'm still betting that she's the one who poisoned his heart, not Gothel. Gothel has no reason to A) return to the tower or B) care that Hook is visiting his daughter. Tremaine, however, would be pretty angry if she learned Hook allowed Gothel to escape and is easily vindictive enough to punish him for that even if it's not in a direct manner.

      We can see this in Knightfall as that looks to be a Hook centric.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      Quite certainly the Alice-centric we were waiting for ^^

      Or a Tremaine/Rapunzel and Gothel-centric episode.

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    • I'm sure it will be Alice centric. https://twitter.com/RoseAReynolds/status/936114714970484741 Rose commented the title of the episode, and Leah/Dana already made episodes where Alice had a role.

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    • I know this better be about Alice finally!!!! 

      Am I getting a little impatient, I think so

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    • Alice episode!!! I was waiting for this! :)

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    • It seems like they have cast Elle McKinnon. She was present at the OUAT holiday party, and she did a lot of pics with Rose. They do seem close to each other.

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm8236642/

      Plus, Elle recently started following Rose and Emma on Instagram... Seems like we found our Young Alice, guys :P

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      It seems like they have cast Elle McKinnon. She was present at the OUAT holiday party, and she did a lot of pics with Rose. They do seem close to each other.

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm8236642/

      Plus, Elle recently started following Rose and Emma on Instagram... Seems like we found our Young Alice, guys :P

      If she's already there with the cast, could she be filming for 7x13 now then? They're still filming that episode this upcoming week. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      It seems like they have cast Elle McKinnon. She was present at the OUAT holiday party, and she did a lot of pics with Rose. They do seem close to each other.

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm8236642/

      Plus, Elle recently started following Rose and Emma on Instagram... Seems like we found our Young Alice, guys :P

      If she's already there, could she be filming for 7x13 now then? They're still filming that episode this upcoming week. 


      Doubtful. It was a special party for OUAT cast members. She could have come to meet people and be introduced to entire crew ^^

      I mean, Jared was there too :)

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      It seems like they have cast Elle McKinnon. She was present at the OUAT holiday party, and she did a lot of pics with Rose. They do seem close to each other.

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm8236642/

      Plus, Elle recently started following Rose and Emma on Instagram... Seems like we found our Young Alice, guys :P

      Looks good to me.

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    • I think Storybrooke Mirror said this episode has already started filming.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I think Storybrooke Mirror said this episode has already started filming.

      They started 713 on November 27th. 714 should start on Wednesday/Thrusday. Even if they scheduled both eps on same days, it is nearly impossible that they already started 714.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I think Storybrooke Mirror said this episode has already started filming.
      They started 713 on November 27th. 714 should start on Wednesday/Thrusday. Even if they scheduled both eps on same days, it is nearly impossible that they already started 714.

      Unless they are accomodating a specific actor's schedule. It wouldn't be the first time they did something like that.

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    • If 713 is a Wish Hook centric, there's no reason a young Alice couldn't appear in it. That might even make more sense, if the Hook centric is about how he got cursed and separated from her, while Alice's centric flashbacks focus on her escape as an adult.

      Or young Alice could be in both since the actress will already be there.

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    • JennaMae wrote: If 713 is a Wish Hook centric, there's no reason a young Alice couldn't appear in it. That might even make more sense, if the Hook centric is about how he got cursed and separated from her, while Alice's centric flashbacks focus on her escape as an adult.

      Or young Alice could be in both since the actress will already be there.

      They can have the episodes parallel to each other. If Lady Tremaine/Rapunzel poisons Hook’s heart for letting Gothel out, it leads to another girl locked in a tower who cannot be with the people she loves. Unbeknownst to Lady Tremaine, she is repeating history.

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    • So, 714 started yesterday with some Alice/Robin scenes :)

      https://ouat-es.tumblr.com/post/168317203620/via-tieras-instagram-story

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    • @JennaMae

      Are there reports of Adelaide Kane filming in 7B?

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    • 8Rob wrote:
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      Are there reports of Adelaide Kane filming in 7B?

      You can just check her page: Adelaide Kane ;)

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    • If I were to take a guess, this is shaping up to be an Alice & Robin episode with little to do with her father. This is like their 3rd day filming together (and on a Saturday!).They've been dressed in FTL costume, so perhaps Robin had to do with her escape from the tower. That would have me thinking 7x13 might be more of the Alice/Hook episode, with little Alice's appearance and how Hook lost her.

      I don't know why it didn't click for me before that Alice and Robin might already be together and just lost their memories of each other with the curse. Here I was waiting for them to meet for the first time in HH, not remembering that there's that whole flashback storyline going on, lol. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      If I were to take a guess, this is shaping up to be an Alice & Robin episode with little to do with her father. This is like their 3rd day filming together (and on a Saturday!).They've been dressed in FTL costume, so perhaps Robin had to do with her escape from the tower. That would have me thinking 7x13 might be more of the Alice/Hook episode, with little Alice's appearance and how Hook lost her.

      I don't know why it didn't click for me before that Alice and Robin might already be together and just lost their memories of each other with the curse. Here I was waiting for them to meet for the first time in HH, not remembering that there's that whole flashback storyline going on, lol. 

      Robin may have been an ally of Rapunzel's, therefore Tilly has memories of an ex-girlfriend who worked for Victoria.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      If I were to take a guess, this is shaping up to be an Alice & Robin episode with little to do with her father. This is like their 3rd day filming together (and on a Saturday!).They've been dressed in FTL costume, so perhaps Robin had to do with her escape from the tower. That would have me thinking 7x13 might be more of the Alice/Hook episode, with little Alice's appearance and how Hook lost her.

      I don't know why it didn't click for me before that Alice and Robin might already be together and just lost their memories of each other with the curse. Here I was waiting for them to meet for the first time in HH, not remembering that there's that whole flashback storyline going on, lol. 

      Yeah, that's a good point. I bet Alice and Robin meet before the curse is cast.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      If I were to take a guess, this is shaping up to be an Alice & Robin episode with little to do with her father. This is like their 3rd day filming together (and on a Saturday!).They've been dressed in FTL costume, so perhaps Robin had to do with her escape from the tower. That would have me thinking 7x13 might be more of the Alice/Hook episode, with little Alice's appearance and how Hook lost her.

      I don't know why it didn't click for me before that Alice and Robin might already be together and just lost their memories of each other with the curse. Here I was waiting for them to meet for the first time in HH, not remembering that there's that whole flashback storyline going on, lol. 

      Yeah, that's a good point. I bet Alice and Robin meet before the curse is cast.

      I doubt Robin would be there to help Alice escape the tower, though. The timeline doesn't really line up.

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    • Anastasia, Ivy & Eloise on set this morning

      https://twitter.com/KaneSource/status/940465738028068864

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    • Per Kat, we'll also know who's Roni's LI by this episode.

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    • Lady Junky wrote: Per Kat, we'll also know who's Roni's LI by this episode.

      Chad Rook's character perhaps? Seems he is a recurring one.

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    • Ya know, I thought Ana was dead.

      So, Ahab or someone may be Regina’s love interest. I don’t particularly like Regina getting a third love interest but at least those two share taking long, pointless quests for revenge.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Ya know, I thought Ana was dead.

      So, Ahab or someone may be Regina’s love interest. I don’t particularly like Regina getting a third love interest but at least those two share taking long, pointless quests for revenge.

      Yeah, interesting Ana is still around. Also, if Ahab is Regina's love interest I will die laughing. Scene would be like:

      Regina: For many years, I wanted revenge on someone named Snow White.

      Ahab: I get you, for many years, I wanted revenge on a white whale.

      Regina: OMG! Let's get married.

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    • Hmm, Kat says its someone we already know.

      Currently we have two unattached regular/recurring males: Wish Hook/Rogers and Jack/Nick. Both are awkward options considering the real version of one is already Henry's stepfather and the other is Henry's friend/Jacinda's other LI, lol.

      If its just someone we've met already as a guest star, it seems like some people are already latching onto Facilier.....

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    • Nick seems too "Henry's friend" and Regina would be completely aware of that. Hook will just be outright awkward. Rumple and Henry is out of the question. 

      Facilier seems pretty minor, though.

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    • Oh god! 

      It has to be WHook!

      Nick/Jacinda/Henry are meant to be a love triangle. Regina wouldn't fit there

      Facilier wouldn't make sense, since Regina seems to like heroic men like Robin and Daniel

      Only WHook is left.... There was a lot of sexual tension there in the 2x09/5x11 flashbacks and now WHook is a "hero"

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    • Ugh I feel like WHook is the only option which is just...awkward

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    • Kat just confirmed its not Wish Hook but is a male.

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    • So, that leaves... Nick? Or as some think Facilier?

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Kat just confirmed its not Wish Hook but is a male.

      Phew, that would've been too weird. Nick would be all kinds of awkward too and I didn't think Facilier would have a big role but who knows. Maybe someone we haven't met?

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    • Well, we have:

      Desk Sergeant, Carl, Louie, Remy, Jeremiah, Michael Griffiths, Gideon, Facilier, Smee, and Nick Branson

      And that's essentially all the male characters that have appeared visually this season with a name and is still alive.

      All I got is Nick or the Doctor, unless Michael Griffiths is returning. I don't see how Regina has any real time for Facilier or her son's new best friend.

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    • I knew it would be Nick. Has to be him. Remember his casting announcement? Recurring with the potential to be the love interest of someone.

      It is necessarily him, especially as Kat has confirmed it would not be Hook ^^ And people were saying I'd be wrong cos Nick is too young :P

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    • Is it someone we already know as in they've actually appeared on the air already? Or someone we will know by the time this episode airs? We could get a surprise new character (like Jack/Nick was) in 711/12/13. Or it could be Naveen? (Since Tiana may or may not end up with WHook.)

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    • I hope it's not Henry new best friend and the guy who's the Kathyrn to his Snow White. The family tree doesn't need this. Henry deserves to be friends with someone who isn't family.

      Accodring to trivia, Jack/Nick wore something that Robin just wore in costuming. Say it ain't so!

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Accodring to trivia, Jack/Nick wore something that Robin just wore in costuming. Say it ain't so!

      I knew there had to be a reason for that, other than the budget cuts.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Accodring to trivia, Jack/Nick wore something that Robin just wore in costuming. Say it ain't so!

      I knew there had to be a reason for that, other than the budget cuts.

      Lol, it was really just budget cuts and they always reuse costumes. XD

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    • Eskaver wrote: her son's new best friend.

      IKR??

      Just when you thought Henry's family couldn't be any weirder........

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    • Poor Henry if this is the case though.

      He goes out and makes one male friend. The guy is cursed to go after his wife. But then actually gets with his mother. Lol.

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      Just when you thought Henry's family couldn't be any weirder........

      This is even crazier than Hook being Henry's step-grandfather and stepfather. Now, his best friend is his mother's boyfriend and his wife's "ex/baby-daddy".

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    • Jerry Springer would make a fortune with this family

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    • Yeah, it must be Nick. Although I had such high hopes that it will be a female...

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Although I had such high hopes that it will be a female...

      Lana was open from the start, that Regina's new love interest would be a male.

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    • While I guess Jack and the Beanstalk being Regina's love interest makes sense (given Daniel, Robin, and even the Huntsman), it is kind of weird they are going to ship Regina with Henry's friend and Jacinda's fake baby daddy/Lucy's fake father.

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    • And the worst part is that she is actually Regina now, not Roni lol

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    • Why do the writers have the constant need to connect everything? XD

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    • Besides a small desire for Nick and Henry to take Lucy and go on adventures across the realms...

      Alice! I would almost forget this was about her. Looks like she blows up the tower. I guess 13 will be Hook being poisoned and such, and then this will follwo up on Alice's part and possible rapid-aging.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Alice! I would almost forget this was about her. Looks like she blows up the tower. I guess 13 will be Hook being poisoned and such, and then this will follwo up on Alice's part and possible rapid-aging.

      Unless, that all happens in a single episode.

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    • Calibaz wrote:
      Colin and Andrew on set

      Omg.... Henry is actually dressed like Henry!

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    • I like how Henry looks there. The "Henry style" suits him, but that's probably because young Henry dressed like a grandpa, so it looks good on a grown up. lol


      By the way, I'm tired of seeing Hook wearing black. We get it: he is a pirate, a bad boy, but can't he wear something else? It's like a Simpson character. He is always wearing the same clothes

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    • Word on the street is Daniel Francis was on set today in New Westminster? Can't confirm this since there doesn't seem to be any photos besides the two of Colin and Andrew, but a bunch of other cast members were apparently on location for interior shots. Rose and Bex for sure. 

      But nonetheless, my curiosity has been piqued and maybe we shouldn't put all our eggs in the Nick basket quite yet...... since this would be at least episode #3 for Facilier. If it was reported that he was in Hyperion Heights for 7x12, he'll probably still be around for one reason or another, so he'd be the only other guy besides Nick who has real potential to be Regina's love interest.

      Facilier would be random, but definitely not awkward in ways that Nick or Wish Hook would've been. Hmm.

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    • Facilier and Regina... Sounds weird but why not x) It's either him or Nick, and in all case, Facilier is better than Nick x)

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    • I think is Nick/Jack the LI of Regina because he is dressed like Robin Hood ! And according to the promo, Jack is on birthday of Lucy (he is not from the family just a friend, except he is Regina's LI)

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      But nonetheless, my curiosity has been piqued and maybe we shouldn't put all our eggs in the Nick basket quite yet...... since this would be at least episode #3 for Facilier. If it was reported that he was in Hyperion Heights for 7x12, he'll probably still be around for one reason or another, so he'd be the only other guy besides Nick who has real potential to be Regina's love interest.

      Facilier?? Well, villains tend to die by the end of the season. So, I gues the Evil Queen will be back -again- in season 8, just like after Robin and Daniel died

      By this is all levels of weird. Regina has been in this world for a lot of years. At this point she probably already watched Disney's The Princess and the Frog? The woman can't be that stupid to fall in love with Facilier, right? RIGHT?

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    • RumpleRegina wrote:
      I think is Nick/Jack the LI of Regina because he is dressed like Robin Hood ! 

      I think that's even worse?!

      Robin died, and she tried to replace him with the clone from the WRealm, and now with a guy who dresses like him x.x

      Archie needs to move to HH. He'll make a lot of money there. Everyone is living their happy ending in SB, so I don't think he has a lot of patients there anymore

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    • It's kind of depressing that Evil Queen x Dr. Facilier is our best case scenario here.

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    • I still think Jack makes more sense than Facilier for Regina. Jack fits with her past love interests, both physically and personality wise. Being with an evil magic user with a flair for the dramatic is not Regina's MO.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      It's kind of depressing that Evil Queen x Dr. Facilier is our best case scenario here.

      It's even more depressing that they really are going to give her a new one, when they have been given a NEW path for the character.

      Even in this episode, we have a new character, Alice, exploring an original path with a new aspect of a romantic relationship. Meanwhile, Rogers is overplayed into a static cutout. Rumple is a dead man walking. Regina is dumped into "Finding Her Happy End--I mean, Finding Her SoulM--I mean, LEarning to Love Aga--Whatever", epsecially with the speculation about the love interest.

      Curiouser and Curiouser.

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    • Daniel and Rose have both been posting Instagram stories from the same place ^^

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I still think Jack makes more sense than Facilier for Regina. Jack fits with her past love interests, both physically and personality wise. Being with an evil magic user with a flair for the dramatic is not Regina's MO.

      I may not like the possibility of BeanstalkQueen, or whatever it ends up being called, but Jack does seem like Regina's type. A ruggedly handsome con-artist with a heart of gold, now where have we seen that before? The problem is that Jack is Henry's best friend, and Regina is Henry's mother. Even as an adult, he will need loads of therapy. 

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    • Facilier's cursed name is Samdi, a reference to Baron Samedi/Samdi (a spirit from Haitian Voudou) which was adapted into Facilier in The Princess & the frog.

      Plus, here is an extract of a call sheet for 714:

      • EXT. WATERFRONT:  “Roni still can’t get ahold of Lucy; Kelly realizes Roni likes Samdi.”
      • EXT. TROLL BRIDGE - HH:  “Security camera footage from Troll Bridge.”
      • EXT. TROLL BRIDGE - HH” “Tilly on the run goes with Rogers.”
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    • Yeah, I’m now certain they are switching out Victoria for Samdi. Guess VoodooQueen is a go. Regina probably made a deal with his friends which costs her Henry.

      Sucks that the curse still seems intact. I don’t know where Tilly and Rogers are going, in terms of characters. Guess Tilly has an angle with Robin, but Rogers is like stagnant water.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Yeah, I’m now certain they are switching out Victoria for Samdi. Guess VoodooQueen is a go. Regina probably made a deal with his friends which costs her Henry.

      Sucks that the curse still seems intact. I don’t know where Tilly and Rogers are going, in terms of characters. Guess Tilly has an angle with Robin, but Rogers is like stagnant water.


      They keep using Roni on the call sheet, despite Regina having her memories back. Maybe, Rogers got his memories back at this point?

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    • So what happens to Gothel at this point? And Drizella? I'm shocked that Facilier is actually the next big bad, he has been introduced like Fiona. Disappointed that the curse is still active.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Facilier's cursed name is Samdi, a reference to Baron Samedi/Samdi (a spirit from Haitian Voudou) which was adapted into Facilier in The Princess & the frog.

      Plus, here is an extract of a call sheet for 714:

      • EXT. WATERFRONT:  “Roni still can’t get ahold of Lucy; Kelly realizes Roni likes Samdi.”
      • EXT. TROLL BRIDGE - HH:  “Security camera footage from Troll Bridge.”
      • EXT. TROLL BRIDGE - HH” “Tilly on the run goes with Rogers.”

      Ugh. Regina's love interest is Facilier. That doesn't fit her at all. I like Facilier's cursed name though.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      Facilier's cursed name is Samdi, a reference to Baron Samedi/Samdi (a spirit from Haitian Voudou) which was adapted into Facilier in The Princess & the frog.

      Plus, here is an extract of a call sheet for 714:

      • EXT. WATERFRONT:  “Roni still can’t get ahold of Lucy; Kelly realizes Roni likes Samdi.”
      • EXT. TROLL BRIDGE - HH:  “Security camera footage from Troll Bridge.”
      • EXT. TROLL BRIDGE - HH” “Tilly on the run goes with Rogers.”
      Ugh. Regina's love interest is Facilier. That doesn't fit her at all. I like Facilier's cursed name though.


      Why it does not? People were saying the same about Robin/Regina back in S3. Let's give it a chance ^^

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    • Facilier is a villain, but maybe Samdi is genuinely a good guy?

      After the curse is broken, he realizes it doesnt worth it to be a villain and gives up on Voodoo for Regina

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Yeah, I’m now certain they are switching out Victoria for Samdi. Guess VoodooQueen is a go. Regina probably made a deal with his friends which costs her Henry.

      Sucks that the curse still seems intact. I don’t know where Tilly and Rogers are going, in terms of characters. Guess Tilly has an angle with Robin, but Rogers is like stagnant water.


      They keep using Roni on the call sheet, despite Regina having her memories back. Maybe, Rogers got his memories back at this point?

      Yeah I'm thinking they're still using those names just to differentiate Hyperion Heights and like flashbacks

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Yeah, I’m now certain they are switching out Victoria for Samdi. Guess VoodooQueen is a go. Regina probably made a deal with his friends which costs her Henry.

      Anything is better than BeanstalkQueen.

      However, you are probably correct about Regina making a deal with Facilier, and the price being Henry.

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    • Pssst, ShadowQueen would be a fantastic ship name

      I am interested to see where they're going with Facilier/Samdi. I guess he won't be too terribly villainous since he just came back in 712 and Regina already has a crush on him. I'd say Drizella is still our big bad/"new Regina" (so to speak).

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I'd say Drizella is still our big bad/"new Regina" (so to speak).

      Yup.... with Jack being Drizella's "new Robin Hood". Since, he is meant to become someone's love interest.

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    • @Jennamae

      Are they still filming this episode?

      I saw some filming pics of Zelena and Regina, but Regina is wearing something that doesn't look like Regina at all

      My question is, could that be actually a flashback from the time Roni and Kelly lived in HH? I mean, from before 7x01

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      @Jennamae

      Are they still filming this episode?

      I saw some filming pics of Zelena and Regina, but Regina is wearing something that doesn't look like Regina at all

      My question is, could that be actually a flashback from the time Roni and Kelly lived in HH? I mean, from before 7x01


      Yeah, they are.

      They're starting 715 on January 2th.

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    • Adelaide just said that today was her last day on OUAT before Christmas.

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    • Do you guys think this will show how Alice and Robin met? I'm pretty sure they'll be the LGBTQ couple. Was it confirmed already?

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Do you guys think this will show how Alice and Robin met? I'm pretty sure they'll be the LGBTQ couple. Was it confirmed already?

      Not officially confirmed, but it is a sure thing at this point.

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    • Okay, so maybe Rapunzel/Lady T. will die in the present time of HH but will remain appearing from times to times in NEF flashbacks? I mean, she will have to. Tremaine can't just vanish in the flashbacks.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Okay, so maybe Rapunzel/Lady T. will die in the present time of HH but will remain appearing from times to times in NEF flashbacks? I mean, she will have to. Tremaine can't just vanish in the flashbacks.

      And with that, i mean that, if Tremaine cursed Hook's heart, she has to appear in this episode. (or 713).

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Okay, so maybe Rapunzel/Lady T. will die in the present time of HH but will remain appearing from times to times in NEF flashbacks? I mean, she will have to. Tremaine can't just vanish in the flashbacks.
      And with that, i mean that, if Tremaine cursed Hook's heart, she has to appear in this episode. (or 713).

      Ella, Drizella, and Anastasia are all still on the show, so I'd be shocked if Tremaine didn't appear in anymore flashbacks.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Okay, so maybe Rapunzel/Lady T. will die in the present time of HH but will remain appearing from times to times in NEF flashbacks? I mean, she will have to. Tremaine can't just vanish in the flashbacks.
      And with that, i mean that, if Tremaine cursed Hook's heart, she has to appear in this episode. (or 713).
      Ella, Drizella, and Anastasia are all still on the show, so I'd be shocked if Tremaine didn't appear in anymore flashbacks.

      They'll probably bring her in occasionally when they can, like all the other past series regulars. Unfortunately, the way we identified that she had left the show is by noting that she hadn't been on set in a very long time. Which means she probably won't be in 713 or 714's backstories.

      Maybe Meegan Warner will curse Hook's heart.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      Facilier's cursed name is Samdi, a reference to Baron Samedi/Samdi (a spirit from Haitian Voudou) which was adapted into Facilier in The Princess & the frog.

      Plus, here is an extract of a call sheet for 714:

      • EXT. WATERFRONT:  “Roni still can’t get ahold of Lucy; Kelly realizes Roni likes Samdi.”
      • EXT. TROLL BRIDGE - HH:  “Security camera footage from Troll Bridge.”
      • EXT. TROLL BRIDGE - HH” “Tilly on the run goes with Rogers.”
      Ugh. Regina's love interest is Facilier. That doesn't fit her at all. I like Facilier's cursed name though.

      Why it does not? People were saying the same about Robin/Regina back in S3. Let's give it a chance ^^

      It's fine if that is what the writers want to do, but given Graham, Daniel, Robin, etc., Facilier doesn't seem like Regina's type, from any standpoint (physical, mental, emotional, etc.).

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      Facilier's cursed name is Samdi, a reference to Baron Samedi/Samdi (a spirit from Haitian Voudou) which was adapted into Facilier in The Princess & the frog.

      Plus, here is an extract of a call sheet for 714:

      • EXT. WATERFRONT:  “Roni still can’t get ahold of Lucy; Kelly realizes Roni likes Samdi.”
      • EXT. TROLL BRIDGE - HH:  “Security camera footage from Troll Bridge.”
      • EXT. TROLL BRIDGE - HH” “Tilly on the run goes with Rogers.”
      Ugh. Regina's love interest is Facilier. That doesn't fit her at all. I like Facilier's cursed name though.

      Why it does not? People were saying the same about Robin/Regina back in S3. Let's give it a chance ^^

      It's fine if that is what the writers want to do, but given Graham, Daniel, Robin, etc., Facilier doesn't seem like Regina's type, from any standpoint (physical, mental, emotional, etc.).

      Well, it’s better to have her at least have a different type of love interest than having another one in the same vein.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Okay, so maybe Rapunzel/Lady T. will die in the present time of HH but will remain appearing from times to times in NEF flashbacks? I mean, she will have to. Tremaine can't just vanish in the flashbacks.

      She will probably appear in a few flashbacks in the second half of the season, like Neal did in Season 3.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      Facilier's cursed name is Samdi, a reference to Baron Samedi/Samdi (a spirit from Haitian Voudou) which was adapted into Facilier in The Princess & the frog.

      Plus, here is an extract of a call sheet for 714:

      • EXT. WATERFRONT:  “Roni still can’t get ahold of Lucy; Kelly realizes Roni likes Samdi.”
      • EXT. TROLL BRIDGE - HH:  “Security camera footage from Troll Bridge.”
      • EXT. TROLL BRIDGE - HH” “Tilly on the run goes with Rogers.”
      Ugh. Regina's love interest is Facilier. That doesn't fit her at all. I like Facilier's cursed name though.

      Why it does not? People were saying the same about Robin/Regina back in S3. Let's give it a chance ^^
      It's fine if that is what the writers want to do, but given Graham, Daniel, Robin, etc., Facilier doesn't seem like Regina's type, from any standpoint (physical, mental, emotional, etc.).

      Well, it’s better to have her at least have a different type of love interest than having another one in the same vein.

      I mean, it is interesting, I just don't know how believeable it will be.

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    • I'm a bit shocked right now, to be sincere. I never thought about Facilier being Regina's love interest. Maybe we're getting something like Zelena & Hades? Regina trying to make him good? I dunno... Maybe there's more about Facilier than we know.

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    • Waiting for the Loa to drag him down under, so Regina can lose another loved one. (kidding, but I expected Facilier to get a similar fate to his movie counterpart (unless that's what occured before getting the firefly ruby).

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    • Those are the pics I was talking about yesterday

      First: The heck is Regina wearing

      Second: I guess those are flashblacks from before 7x01 and that's actually Roni. (Please god, let it be)

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Those are the pics I was talking about yesterday

      First: The heck is Regina wearing

      Second: I guess those are flashblacks from before 7x01 and that's actually Roni. (Please god, let it be)

      That's obviously Roni.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Waiting for the Loa to drag him down under, so Regina can lose another loved one. (kidding, but I expected Facilier to get a similar fate to his movie counterpart (unless that's what occured before getting the firefly ruby).

      I don't see what's the point of introducing a third Regina love interest if he's going to die in a few episodes. Can't disagree that Dr. Facilier needs some kind of karma for his actions.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Waiting for the Loa to drag him down under, so Regina can lose another loved one. (kidding, but I expected Facilier to get a similar fate to his movie counterpart (unless that's what occured before getting the firefly ruby).
      I don't see what's the point of introducing a third Regina love interest if he's going to die in a few episodes. Can't disagree that Dr. Facilier needs some kind of karma for his actions.

      Oh, I don't think they'd do it again...but I wouldn't put anything pass it.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Those are the pics I was talking about yesterday

      First: The heck is Regina wearing

      Second: I guess those are flashblacks from before 7x01 and that's actually Roni. (Please god, let it be)

      Pretty sure Regina said she had to keep pretending to be Roni. Pretty sure her wardrobe is rock punkish just like how it has been this entire season in HH. Instead of buying new clothes she probably wore what had in her closest.


      So far we have only seen Faciller in like 1 episode I believe so I can't say rather or not he is Reginas type or not but it could be an interesting Duo however with only 8 episodes left after this one I wonder how this will play out. 

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    • This episode should definitly be Alice escaping the tower, and meeting Robin for the first time.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      This episode should definitly be Alice escaping the tower, and meeting Robin for the first time.

      Present-day will probably be Regina and Zelena getting Cursed!Robin back from Phuket and how Tilly and Cursed!Robin meet. With undertones of Roni/Samdi.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      This episode should definitly be Alice escaping the tower, and meeting Robin for the first time.

      That's what I think as well. I also think that the thing Rumple did for Alice was free her from the tower.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Okay, so maybe Rapunzel/Lady T. will die in the present time of HH but will remain appearing from times to times in NEF flashbacks? I mean, she will have to. Tremaine can't just vanish in the flashbacks.

      Its confirmed that she is leaving? Or its based on a filming? I mean, the reason why she didn't appear is maybe because of end of episode 10. She is maybe still trapped. I don't want her death. Not until she will make peace between her daughters. And if she dies, she must sacrifices herself for Drizzela

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    • Emillian Swanones wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      This episode should definitly be Alice escaping the tower, and meeting Robin for the first time.
      That's what I think as well. I also think that the thing Rumple did for Alice was free her from the tower.

      Alice was free by the time Rumple gets to NEF, as we saw in 704. It was probably Robin who freed her.

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    • Rose confirms that this is the Alice/Robin episode.
      https://twitter.com/RoseAReynolds/status/942012070463074305

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    • Here's a wild guess. Robin helps save Alice. (Though I was hoping that little Alice broke free with ingenuity and went to Wonderland and met Robin in the "other places" which would explain why Alice and Robin aged up quickly. Probably at the Magic School Robin attends.)

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Here's a wild guess. Robin helps save Alice. (Though I was hoping that little Alice broke free with ingenuity and went to Wonderland and met Robin in the "other places" which would explain why Alice and Robin aged up quickly. Probably at the Magic School Robin attends.)

      So it would be like a lesbian Rapunzel in a way? 

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Here's a wild guess. Robin helps save Alice. (Though I was hoping that little Alice broke free with ingenuity and went to Wonderland and met Robin in the "other places" which would explain why Alice and Robin aged up quickly. Probably at the Magic School Robin attends.)
      So it would be like a lesbian Rapunzel in a way? 

      I would love if they payed an homage to Tangled with Alice and Robin! Maybe making a paralell between Rapunzel & Flynn and Alice & Robin? I would love that! 

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    • So we know this is where Robin saves Alice from the tower, but I wonder if we will see any of Alice's time in New Wonderland.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: So we know this is where Robin saves Alice from the tower, but I wonder if we will see any of Alice's time in New Wonderland.

      Maybe the first scene of this episode is Robin finding Alice and helping her escape out of the tower. After, Robin offers to help search for Alice’s father but the two accidentally fall into a rabbit hole. Then, they journey through New Wonderland, fall in love, and somewhere in beteeen the Jabberwock attack happens and their friend, Cecilia, dies. After that, she and Robin escape. Robin returns to her mother and Alice continues to look for Hook alone, the episode ending with the beginning of 708.

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    • SPOILER ALERT TO EVERYONE dr.facilier/samdi will be ronys/regina love intresed

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    • If you dont beleive me go to ouatindia on instagram and you will find the photos 

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    • Is anyone worried that this episode will feel rushed, like Ruby Slippers, in the case of Alice and Robin's romance in FBs?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: Is anyone worried that this episode will feel rushed, like Ruby Slippers, in the case of Alice and Robin's romance in FBs?

      No, I think it’s more going to be along the lines of “Snow Falls” since they are major characters. It’s just going to set up the foundation of their romance and have that parallel present day events.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: Is anyone worried that this episode will feel rushed, like Ruby Slippers, in the case of Alice and Robin's romance in FBs?

      No, I think it’s more going to be along the lines of “Snow Falls” since they are major characters.

      So was Ruby ^.^'

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      TheRose123 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: Is anyone worried that this episode will feel rushed, like Ruby Slippers, in the case of Alice and Robin's romance in FBs?

      No, I think it’s more going to be along the lines of “Snow Falls” since they are major characters.

      So was Ruby ^.^'

      But the writers said this time that Alice and Robin will appear for the majority of the rest of the season. If they write them off after this episode...

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    • IMDB has Cory Rempel as "Clayton."

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    • JennaMae wrote: IMDB has Cory Rempel as "Clayton."

      From Tarzan?

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    • Anubis16 wrote:

      JennaMae wrote: IMDB has Cory Rempel as "Clayton."

      From Tarzan?

      I guess it's possible, but I'd think we would see some sign of Tarzan before Clayton. This is an Alice/Robin episode, after all, so I'd expect to see Wonderland or Sherwood/Nottingham before anything else. More likely, Clayton is just a random name for a random extra, like Remy.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:

      JennaMae wrote: IMDB has Cory Rempel as "Clayton."

      From Tarzan?
      I guess it's possible, but I'd think we would see some sign of Tarzan before Clayton. This is an Alice/Robin episode, after all, so I'd expect to see Wonderland or Sherwood/Nottingham before anything else. More likely, Clayton is just a random name for a random extra, like Remy.

      Maybe Clayton will be another easter egg like how Remy was called a rat and Ralph was asked to wreck it, maybe he'll be a zookeeper who looks after the gorillas or something like that 

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:

      JennaMae wrote: IMDB has Cory Rempel as "Clayton."

      From Tarzan?
      I guess it's possible, but I'd think we would see some sign of Tarzan before Clayton. This is an Alice/Robin episode, after all, so I'd expect to see Wonderland or Sherwood/Nottingham before anything else. More likely, Clayton is just a random name for a random extra, like Remy.
      Maybe Clayton will be another easter egg like how Remy was called a rat and Ralph was asked to wreck it, maybe he'll be a zookeeper who looks after the gorillas or something like that 

      I'd buy that.

      Wait, was Remy actually called a rat? I don't remember that but I might have missed it.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      IMDB has Cory Rempel as "Clayton."

      Interesting. Originally Tarzan is a Clayton as well, so this could actually be Tarzan (or maybe his cursed persona). The actor looks right for the role.

      If anyone wants, here is the IMDB page:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4534019/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t11

      And here is the page for the Tarzan story:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarzan_of_the_Apes

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      IMDB has Cory Rempel as "Clayton."
      Interesting. Originally Tarzan is a Clayton as well, so this could actually be Tarzan (or maybe his cursed persona). The actor looks right for the role.

      If anyone wants, here is the IMDB page:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4534019/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t11

      And here is the page for the Tarzan story:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarzan_of_the_Apes


      And here we go x)

      Before we speculate too much, Disney lost the rights of Tarzan years ago. They can't use it.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      IMDB has Cory Rempel as "Clayton."
      Interesting. Originally Tarzan is a Clayton as well, so this could actually be Tarzan (or maybe his cursed persona). The actor looks right for the role.

      If anyone wants, here is the IMDB page:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4534019/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t11

      And here is the page for the Tarzan story:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarzan_of_the_Apes


      And here we go x)

      Before we speculate too much, Disney lost the rights of Tarzan years ago. They can't use it.

      Well, I'm sure they could get the rights, if they really wanted. They got Peter Pan rights, even if it took a year. And Tarzan isn't something that is in that high of demand that the owner of the rights wouldn't be willing to give out rights for a tv show, especially if they get money for it.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      IMDB has Cory Rempel as "Clayton."
      Interesting. Originally Tarzan is a Clayton as well, so this could actually be Tarzan (or maybe his cursed persona). The actor looks right for the role.

      If anyone wants, here is the IMDB page:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4534019/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t11

      And here is the page for the Tarzan story:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarzan_of_the_Apes


      And here we go x)

      Before we speculate too much, Disney lost the rights of Tarzan years ago. They can't use it.

      Well, I'm sure they could get the rights, if they really wanted. They got Peter Pan rights, even if it took a year. And Tarzan isn't something that is in that high of demand that the owner of the rights wouldn't be willing to give out rights for a tv show, especially if they get money for it.


      That's different. Not like they never had them. Disney LOST the rights. They had them, and they lost them. And they never tried to get them back since then, not even for a live-action... so I doubt they'd try to get them for OUAT x) Plus, as for now, the rights belong to Warner Bros. A film was just released in 2016, so nope. Disney did not get the rights back so soon, just for OUAT ^^

      At best, the name will be a nod, like Rufio. But, it can't be an adaptation of Tarzan ^^

      Disney never lost the rights to Peter Pan, they just need to be allowed to expand the character drastically ^^

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      IMDB has Cory Rempel as "Clayton."
      Interesting. Originally Tarzan is a Clayton as well, so this could actually be Tarzan (or maybe his cursed persona). The actor looks right for the role.

      If anyone wants, here is the IMDB page:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4534019/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t11

      And here is the page for the Tarzan story:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarzan_of_the_Apes


      And here we go x)

      Before we speculate too much, Disney lost the rights of Tarzan years ago. They can't use it.

      Well, I'm sure they could get the rights, if they really wanted. They got Peter Pan rights, even if it took a year. And Tarzan isn't something that is in that high of demand that the owner of the rights wouldn't be willing to give out rights for a tv show, especially if they get money for it.

      That's different. Not like they never had them. Disney LOST the rights. They had them, and they lost them. And they never tried to get them back since then, not even for a live-action... so I doubt they'd try to get them for OUAT x) Plus, as for now, the rights belong to Warner Bros. A film was just released in 2016, so nope. Disney did not get the rights back so soon, just for OUAT ^^

      At best, the name will be a nod, like Rufio. But, it can't be an adaptation of Tarzan ^^

      Disney never lost the rights to Peter Pan, they just need to be allowed to expand the character drastically ^^

      From what I understand about Tarzan rights, the owner is very protective, so they don't just give the rights out, but "rent" them out per project. So (unless you have something that proves otherwise) Warner Bros. doesn't have the rights either, they were just given them to make a movie.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      IMDB has Cory Rempel as "Clayton."
      Interesting. Originally Tarzan is a Clayton as well, so this could actually be Tarzan (or maybe his cursed persona). The actor looks right for the role.

      If anyone wants, here is the IMDB page:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4534019/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t11

      And here is the page for the Tarzan story:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarzan_of_the_Apes


      And here we go x)

      Before we speculate too much, Disney lost the rights of Tarzan years ago. They can't use it.

      Well, I'm sure they could get the rights, if they really wanted. They got Peter Pan rights, even if it took a year. And Tarzan isn't something that is in that high of demand that the owner of the rights wouldn't be willing to give out rights for a tv show, especially if they get money for it.

      That's different. Not like they never had them. Disney LOST the rights. They had them, and they lost them. And they never tried to get them back since then, not even for a live-action... so I doubt they'd try to get them for OUAT x) Plus, as for now, the rights belong to Warner Bros. A film was just released in 2016, so nope. Disney did not get the rights back so soon, just for OUAT ^^

      At best, the name will be a nod, like Rufio. But, it can't be an adaptation of Tarzan ^^

      Disney never lost the rights to Peter Pan, they just need to be allowed to expand the character drastically ^^

      From what I understand about Tarzan rights, the owner is very protective, so they don't just give the rights out, but "rent" them out per project. So (unless you have something that proves otherwise) Warner Bros. doesn't have the rights either, they were just given them to make a movie.


      That's not that easy, unfortunately. Per deal, you can't just give the rights like that when someone is already using them. Does not work like that ^^ Disney had the rights for a certain number of years, then they lost them per deal, and they never tried to get them back. That's a fact.

      Basically, the deal was that Disney owns the rights for a certain number of years. In that number of years, they did two films, a tv series and videogames. That's all. So, as of today, OUAT can't adapt the Tarzan story, as Disney does not have these rights.

      IDK exactly deal with Warner Bros, but it is likely something similar. We may not like this situation, but it is like that ^^'

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      IMDB has Cory Rempel as "Clayton."
      Interesting. Originally Tarzan is a Clayton as well, so this could actually be Tarzan (or maybe his cursed persona). The actor looks right for the role.

      If anyone wants, here is the IMDB page:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4534019/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t11

      And here is the page for the Tarzan story:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarzan_of_the_Apes


      And here we go x)

      Before we speculate too much, Disney lost the rights of Tarzan years ago. They can't use it.

      Well, I'm sure they could get the rights, if they really wanted. They got Peter Pan rights, even if it took a year. And Tarzan isn't something that is in that high of demand that the owner of the rights wouldn't be willing to give out rights for a tv show, especially if they get money for it.

      That's different. Not like they never had them. Disney LOST the rights. They had them, and they lost them. And they never tried to get them back since then, not even for a live-action... so I doubt they'd try to get them for OUAT x) Plus, as for now, the rights belong to Warner Bros. A film was just released in 2016, so nope. Disney did not get the rights back so soon, just for OUAT ^^

      At best, the name will be a nod, like Rufio. But, it can't be an adaptation of Tarzan ^^

      Disney never lost the rights to Peter Pan, they just need to be allowed to expand the character drastically ^^

      From what I understand about Tarzan rights, the owner is very protective, so they don't just give the rights out, but "rent" them out per project. So (unless you have something that proves otherwise) Warner Bros. doesn't have the rights either, they were just given them to make a movie.

      That's not that easy, unfortunately. Per deal, you can't just give the rights like that when someone is already using them. Does not work like that ^^ Disney had the rights for a certain number of years, then they lost them per deal, and they never tried to get them back. That's a fact.

      Basically, the deal was that Disney owns the rights for a certain number of years. In that number of years, they did two films, a tv series and videogames. That's all. So, as of today, OUAT can't adapt the Tarzan story, as Disney does not have these rights.

      IDK exactly deal with Warner Bros, but it is likely something similar. We may not like this situation, but it is like that ^^'

      Even if Warner Bros. did some kind of contract, it may have been for movie rights only. Once, of course, is a tv show so would not infringe on WB's movie rights. Furthurmore, I just did a bit of research, it seems that some early Tarzan and John Carter of Mars (Burrogh's two major franchises) books have fallen into public domain. A comic book company was using the characters from those public domain stories in 2012, and even though ERB Inc. tried to fight it, they had to settle in the end, and allow the comics to continue, so it seems that technically Once wouldn't have to clear Tarzan with anyone, as long as they stick to what is in the public domain books.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      IMDB has Cory Rempel as "Clayton."
      Interesting. Originally Tarzan is a Clayton as well, so this could actually be Tarzan (or maybe his cursed persona). The actor looks right for the role.

      If anyone wants, here is the IMDB page:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4534019/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t11

      And here is the page for the Tarzan story:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarzan_of_the_Apes


      And here we go x)

      Before we speculate too much, Disney lost the rights of Tarzan years ago. They can't use it.

      Well, I'm sure they could get the rights, if they really wanted. They got Peter Pan rights, even if it took a year. And Tarzan isn't something that is in that high of demand that the owner of the rights wouldn't be willing to give out rights for a tv show, especially if they get money for it.

      That's different. Not like they never had them. Disney LOST the rights. They had them, and they lost them. And they never tried to get them back since then, not even for a live-action... so I doubt they'd try to get them for OUAT x) Plus, as for now, the rights belong to Warner Bros. A film was just released in 2016, so nope. Disney did not get the rights back so soon, just for OUAT ^^

      At best, the name will be a nod, like Rufio. But, it can't be an adaptation of Tarzan ^^

      Disney never lost the rights to Peter Pan, they just need to be allowed to expand the character drastically ^^

      From what I understand about Tarzan rights, the owner is very protective, so they don't just give the rights out, but "rent" them out per project. So (unless you have something that proves otherwise) Warner Bros. doesn't have the rights either, they were just given them to make a movie.

      That's not that easy, unfortunately. Per deal, you can't just give the rights like that when someone is already using them. Does not work like that ^^ Disney had the rights for a certain number of years, then they lost them per deal, and they never tried to get them back. That's a fact.

      Basically, the deal was that Disney owns the rights for a certain number of years. In that number of years, they did two films, a tv series and videogames. That's all. So, as of today, OUAT can't adapt the Tarzan story, as Disney does not have these rights.

      IDK exactly deal with Warner Bros, but it is likely something similar. We may not like this situation, but it is like that ^^'

      Even if Warner Bros. did some kind of contract, it may have been for movie rights only. Once, of course, is a tv show so would not infringe on WB's movie rights. Furthurmore, I just did a bit of research, it seems that some early Tarzan and John Carter of Mars (Burrogh's two major franchises) books have fallen into public domain. A comic book company was using the characters from those public domain stories in 2012, and even though ERB Inc. tried to fight it, they had to settle in the end, and allow the comics to continue, so it seems that technically Once wouldn't have to clear Tarzan with anyone, as long as they stick to what is in the public domain books.


      Not all Tarzan books are in the public domain ^^ And, even if they can legally, it is possible that Disney does not allow it, cos of these rights things.

      Per copyright laws, even if it is a work in the public domain, any time someone creates a new adaptation, the copyright on everything they added gets set to zero years.

      This includes Disney's Tarzan.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      IMDB has Cory Rempel as "Clayton."
      Interesting. Originally Tarzan is a Clayton as well, so this could actually be Tarzan (or maybe his cursed persona). The actor looks right for the role.

      If anyone wants, here is the IMDB page:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4534019/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t11

      And here is the page for the Tarzan story:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarzan_of_the_Apes


      And here we go x)

      Before we speculate too much, Disney lost the rights of Tarzan years ago. They can't use it.

      Well, I'm sure they could get the rights, if they really wanted. They got Peter Pan rights, even if it took a year. And Tarzan isn't something that is in that high of demand that the owner of the rights wouldn't be willing to give out rights for a tv show, especially if they get money for it.

      That's different. Not like they never had them. Disney LOST the rights. They had them, and they lost them. And they never tried to get them back since then, not even for a live-action... so I doubt they'd try to get them for OUAT x) Plus, as for now, the rights belong to Warner Bros. A film was just released in 2016, so nope. Disney did not get the rights back so soon, just for OUAT ^^

      At best, the name will be a nod, like Rufio. But, it can't be an adaptation of Tarzan ^^

      Disney never lost the rights to Peter Pan, they just need to be allowed to expand the character drastically ^^

      From what I understand about Tarzan rights, the owner is very protective, so they don't just give the rights out, but "rent" them out per project. So (unless you have something that proves otherwise) Warner Bros. doesn't have the rights either, they were just given them to make a movie.

      That's not that easy, unfortunately. Per deal, you can't just give the rights like that when someone is already using them. Does not work like that ^^ Disney had the rights for a certain number of years, then they lost them per deal, and they never tried to get them back. That's a fact.

      Basically, the deal was that Disney owns the rights for a certain number of years. In that number of years, they did two films, a tv series and videogames. That's all. So, as of today, OUAT can't adapt the Tarzan story, as Disney does not have these rights.

      IDK exactly deal with Warner Bros, but it is likely something similar. We may not like this situation, but it is like that ^^'

      Even if Warner Bros. did some kind of contract, it may have been for movie rights only. Once, of course, is a tv show so would not infringe on WB's movie rights. Furthurmore, I just did a bit of research, it seems that some early Tarzan and John Carter of Mars (Burrogh's two major franchises) books have fallen into public domain. A comic book company was using the characters from those public domain stories in 2012, and even though ERB Inc. tried to fight it, they had to settle in the end, and allow the comics to continue, so it seems that technically Once wouldn't have to clear Tarzan with anyone, as long as they stick to what is in the public domain books.

      Not all Tarzan books are in the public domain ^^ And, even if they can legally, it is possible that Disney does not allow it, cos of these rights things.

      Per copyright laws, even if it is a work in the public domain, any time someone creates a new adaptation, the copyright on everything they added gets set to zero years.

      This includes Disney's Tarzan.

      Right. I don't know how ABC/Disney feels toward Tarzan, or letting Once do something with it, I'm just pointing out it may be possible for them to do something with it. Time will tell.

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    • So besides the fact that this episode is going to be focused on Alice and Robin, we really don't know much else about what is going on, right?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      So besides the fact that this episode is going to be focused on Alice and Robin, we really don't know much else about what is going on, right?

      The timeline, I suppose. 

      So, far, Alice was born after Cecilia's departure, Ana's preservation, and yet somehow interacted with Cecelia and Robin is 25 for some reason.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      So besides the fact that this episode is going to be focused on Alice and Robin, we really don't know much else about what is going on, right?

      The timeline, I suppose. 

      So, far, Alice was born after Cecilia's departure, Ana's preservation, and yet somehow interacted with Cecelia and Robin is 25 for some reason.

      Oh god. This is a complete set of plot holes.

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    • Is everyone hoping Alice and Robin go to Wonderland in the FB, or would you rather they go to those "other places" Alice was talking about?

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    • I rather we see a solo Alice episode. Then, somewhere within she runs into Robin.

      I mean, she escaped from the tower before meeting Robin, presumably as she’s talking about pretty sorceresses and at a lonely tea party and running after rabbits around the premiere.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      I rather we see a solo Alice episode. Then, somewhere within she runs into Robin.

      I mean, she escaped from the tower before meeting Robin, presumably as she’s talking about pretty sorceresses and at a lonely tea party and running after rabbits around the premiere.

      Maybe I misread something, but I thought it was stated or heavily implied Robin saved Alice from the tower.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      I rather we see a solo Alice episode. Then, somewhere within she runs into Robin.

      I mean, she escaped from the tower before meeting Robin, presumably as she’s talking about pretty sorceresses and at a lonely tea party and running after rabbits around the premiere.

      Maybe I misread something, but I thought it was stated or heavily implied Robin saved Alice from the tower.

      That was my impression as well. Honestly I always thought this episode would just be concerned with Alice’s time in the tower and end with her escaping. I personally don’t think we will get anything from the other realms she visited except maybe a glimpse at the end.

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    • I hope this is the big Alice and Robin episode, which I'm positive it is, it's their adventure, I really hope it's a good story this time, unlike Ruby Slippers, which not only was restricted to one episode, but the story itself was not so good, kinda rehashed from older plots (really? Zelena making a sleeping curse on Dorothy? I would have rather had a Mulan and Ruby storyline, but it probably wasn't possible for the time limit Meghan gave them).

      Sorry for the off-topic, I'm comparing the 2 lbgtq storylines.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      I rather we see a solo Alice episode. Then, somewhere within she runs into Robin.

      I mean, she escaped from the tower before meeting Robin, presumably as she’s talking about pretty sorceresses and at a lonely tea party and running after rabbits around the premiere.

      Maybe I misread something, but I thought it was stated or heavily implied Robin saved Alice from the tower.

      It was. To be fair to them, I don’t think the writers think they have the time for them to have solo centrics. All I want is to at least see Alice traveling to other realms and escaping.

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    • Trying to figure out the FBs. I think this one will be Robin saving Alice from the tower. Considering the timeline for both of them is wonky, hopefully this might help explain it.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Trying to figure out the FBs. I think this one will be Robin saving Alice from the tower. Considering the timeline for both of them is wonky, hopefully this might help explain it.

      Robin and Zelena go to the NEF around the time Whook is young (again). 7x02 took some time after Rumple arrives in the NEF and runs into Alice, so Alice should have already escaped the tower by the time Robin and Zelena go to the NEF.

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    • Calibaz wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Trying to figure out the FBs. I think this one will be Robin saving Alice from the tower. Considering the timeline for both of them is wonky, hopefully this might help explain it.
      Robin and Zelena go to the NEF around the time Whook is young (again). 7x02 took some time after Rumple arrives in the NEF and runs into Alice, so Alice should have already escaped the tower by the time Robin and Zelena go to the NEF.

      It has been heavily implied that Robin is who helped Alice escape the tower. Of course, she could help her, and then leave, and come back later.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Calibaz wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Trying to figure out the FBs. I think this one will be Robin saving Alice from the tower. Considering the timeline for both of them is wonky, hopefully this might help explain it.
      Robin and Zelena go to the NEF around the time Whook is young (again). 7x02 took some time after Rumple arrives in the NEF and runs into Alice, so Alice should have already escaped the tower by the time Robin and Zelena go to the NEF.
      It has been heavily implied that Robin is who helped Alice escape the tower. Of course, she could help her, and then leave, and come back later.

      Maybe Alice found a way to leave the tower for short periods of time and later Robin helped her escape it completely?

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    • Calibaz wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Calibaz wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Trying to figure out the FBs. I think this one will be Robin saving Alice from the tower. Considering the timeline for both of them is wonky, hopefully this might help explain it.
      Robin and Zelena go to the NEF around the time Whook is young (again). 7x02 took some time after Rumple arrives in the NEF and runs into Alice, so Alice should have already escaped the tower by the time Robin and Zelena go to the NEF.
      It has been heavily implied that Robin is who helped Alice escape the tower. Of course, she could help her, and then leave, and come back later.
      Maybe Alice found a way to leave the tower for short periods of time and later Robin helped her escape it completely?

      This is definitly a possiblility. From 706, it seems the tower winds up getting destroyed, so I'd assume we'd see how and why Alice and Robin destroy it in this episode.

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    • Yeah, they move in 7x11, but here Robin is just roaming around and is another Flynn Rider (which gives me joy when they refuse to insert Disney) to help Alice. 

      However, none of this explains the timeline. Forget Robin. Alice was a baby when Drizella was like 12. Hook also aged many years. Unless Hook just has bad genes, at least 20 years had to have past. (Plus, they specifically made Robin 25 pre-HH/or 17, if Zel and Robin moved the same year Lucy was born.)

      Another aside, Alice mentioned what Rumple sacrificed for her. There's that too.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Yeah, they move in 7x11, but here Robin is just roaming around and is another Flynn Rider (which gives me joy when they refuse to insert Disney) to help Alice. 

      However, none of this explains the timeline. Forget Robin. Alice was a baby when Drizella was like 12. Hook also aged many years. Unless Hook just has bad genes, at least 20 years had to have past. (Plus, they specifically made Robin 25 pre-HH/or 17, if Zel and Robin moved the same year Lucy was born.)

      Another aside, Alice mentioned what Rumple sacrificed for her. There's that too.

      Shouldn't Alice be in her 40s? She was born around the time the curse was(n't) cast so she should have been 28 when Emma first arrived in Storybrooke. Add the four years that S1-6 took place, she should be around 32. The 2 years before Henry left Storybrooke, and then the 8 years that passed in the NEF. She did say she visited other realms so that might explain why she's still in her mid-late twenties though.

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    • Calibaz wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      Yeah, they move in 7x11, but here Robin is just roaming around and is another Flynn Rider (which gives me joy when they refuse to insert Disney) to help Alice. 

      However, none of this explains the timeline. Forget Robin. Alice was a baby when Drizella was like 12. Hook also aged many years. Unless Hook just has bad genes, at least 20 years had to have past. (Plus, they specifically made Robin 25 pre-HH/or 17, if Zel and Robin moved the same year Lucy was born.)

      Another aside, Alice mentioned what Rumple sacrificed for her. There's that too.

      Shouldn't Alice be in her 40s? She was born around the time the curse was(n't) cast so she should have been 28 when Emma first arrived in Storybrooke. Add the four years that S1-6 took place, she should be around 32. The 2 years before Henry left Storybrooke, and then the 8 years that passed in the NEF. She did say she visited other realms so that might explain why she's still in her mid-late twenties though.

      Don’t add across realms. Math doesn’t work like that.

      NEF: Drizella’s 12 to mid to early 20s is equivalent to...

      WR: roughly 30 years from the curse and beyond.

      Alice probably was sipping on Golden Flower Tea. Hook did have a petal left by Gothel.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Yeah, they move in 7x11, but here Robin is just roaming around and is another Flynn Rider (which gives me joy when they refuse to insert Disney) to help Alice. 

      However, none of this explains the timeline. Forget Robin. Alice was a baby when Drizella was like 12. Hook also aged many years. Unless Hook just has bad genes, at least 20 years had to have past. (Plus, they specifically made Robin 25 pre-HH/or 17, if Zel and Robin moved the same year Lucy was born.)

      Another aside, Alice mentioned what Rumple sacrificed for her. There's that too.

      Yeah, I really think this fb will also explore Alice and Rumple's past. Which makes me excited.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Yeah, they move in 7x11, but here Robin is just roaming around and is another Flynn Rider (which gives me joy when they refuse to insert Disney) to help Alice. 

      However, none of this explains the timeline. Forget Robin. Alice was a baby when Drizella was like 12. Hook also aged many years. Unless Hook just has bad genes, at least 20 years had to have past. (Plus, they specifically made Robin 25 pre-HH/or 17, if Zel and Robin moved the same year Lucy was born.)

      Another aside, Alice mentioned what Rumple sacrificed for her. There's that too.

      Yeah, I really think this fb will also explore Alice and Rumple's past. Which makes me excited.

      Do they have time though? Considering Alice only meets Rumple after she escapes? I feel like it’s more likely to be addressed in the Rumple centric, since first they have to show Rumple creating a strong bond with Alice so he has a reason to make a big sacrifice for her.

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    • CuriousZ wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Yeah, they move in 7x11, but here Robin is just roaming around and is another Flynn Rider (which gives me joy when they refuse to insert Disney) to help Alice. 

      However, none of this explains the timeline. Forget Robin. Alice was a baby when Drizella was like 12. Hook also aged many years. Unless Hook just has bad genes, at least 20 years had to have past. (Plus, they specifically made Robin 25 pre-HH/or 17, if Zel and Robin moved the same year Lucy was born.)

      Another aside, Alice mentioned what Rumple sacrificed for her. There's that too.

      Yeah, I really think this fb will also explore Alice and Rumple's past. Which makes me excited.

      Do they have time though? Considering Alice only meets Rumple after she escapes? I feel like it’s more likely to be addressed in the Rumple centric, since first they have to show Rumple creating a strong bond with Alice so he has a reason to make a big sacrifice for her.

      Yeah, I think this episode will show what Alice was doing up until she chased the White Rabbit past Rumple, then The Guardian will pick up and show Rumple and Alice's adventures.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Yeah, they move in 7x11, but here Robin is just roaming around and is another Flynn Rider (which gives me joy when they refuse to insert Disney) to help Alice. 

      However, none of this explains the timeline. Forget Robin. Alice was a baby when Drizella was like 12. Hook also aged many years. Unless Hook just has bad genes, at least 20 years had to have past. (Plus, they specifically made Robin 25 pre-HH/or 17, if Zel and Robin moved the same year Lucy was born.)

      Another aside, Alice mentioned what Rumple sacrificed for her. There's that too.

      Yeah, I really think this fb will also explore Alice and Rumple's past. Which makes me excited.

      I actually think this will be Alice/Robyn centric

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    • So after this episode, either A&E screwed up the timeline for the 100th time or Robin did not help Alice escape. Alice was out of the tower before Lucy was born, and Zelena and Robin moved to the NEF after as we saw this episode. So Alice escapes the tower by herself? At the beginning of this episode, and then meets Robin on her adventures?

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    • Any chances we're seeing Wonderland? 

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    • I guess we are just suppose to accept that Alice and Robin age randomly...

      Looking forward to Alice’s adventures through “other places”.

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    • Nakis91 wrote:
      Any chances we're seeing Wonderland? 

      You mean New Wonderland, right? We could (and hopefully will) see it.

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    • What if Alice goes to New Wonderland and Wonderland? That'd be pretty funny lol (I extremely doubt it would happen though). 

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Nakis91 wrote:
      Any chances we're seeing Wonderland? 
      You mean New Wonderland, right? We could (and hopefully will) see it.

      Any Wonderland is welcome hahaha. I really loved the Wonderland we saw in Pretty in Blue so... 

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    • So, Alice isn’t saved by Robin.

      Robin enters NFTL post-Lucy’s birth. Alice was out before Lucy’s birth. So, Alice will surely have adventures and they could explain Alice’s aging. She had to have used that last petal to age herself up because...timeline, bah!

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    • I think the earlier promo (for 7x12) showed 12, 13, and 14.

      We could talk about what happens to Alice when Gothel shoves Nook out the tower (and somehow doesn't kill him). But we got more important questions to ask.....

      What is the Macguffin of this episode?

      7x10: White Elephant: Keeps relationships intact (which is a real troll move by Rumple)

      7x11: Resurrection Amulet: Drains Magic, with a Sacred Orchid and ritual, can trade one life for another (who is just mostly dead)

      7x12: Enchanted Spear.....don't know why.

      7x13: Maui's FishHook

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    • 7x12: I'm assuming it can kill a beast that's normally resistant to magic since Facilier couldn't just magic the necklace back.

      7x13: I'm imagining Maui's FishHook as being a giant lockpick that can break open any lock, ie. the blood lock on Alice and the tower. XD

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    • Calibaz wrote: 7x12: I'm assuming it can kill a beast that's normally resistant to magic since Facilier couldn't just magic the necklace back.

      7x13: I'm imagining Maui's FishHook as being a giant lockpick that can break open any lock, ie. the blood lock on Alice and the tower. XD

      I like those thoughts!

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      I think the earlier promo (for 7x12) showed 12, 13, and 14.

      We could talk about what happens to Alice when Gothel shoves Nook out the tower (and somehow doesn't kill him). But we got more important questions to ask.....

      What is the Macguffin of this episode?

      7x10: White Elephant: Keeps relationships intact (which is a real troll move by Rumple)

      7x11: Resurrection Amulet: Drains Magic, with a Sacred Orchid and ritual, can trade one life for another (who is just mostly dead)

      7x12: Enchanted Spear.....don't know why.

      7x13: Maui's FishHook

      They chould all serve larger purpose that we still dont know,like artifacts that when combined they can summon a powerfull ancient being/s like "Friends from Other Side" or (Godesss-Demons) or set free that same being from its prison and defeat that same being.Or they chould be just random Magical objects and items with random puropses for our charchters in diffrent episodes.

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    • Eskaver wrote: I think the earlier promo (for 7x12) showed 12, 13, and 14.

      We could talk about what happens to Alice when Gothel shoves Nook out the tower (and somehow doesn't kill him). But we got more important questions to ask.....

      What is the Macguffin of this episode?

      7x10: White Elephant: Keeps relationships intact (which is a real troll move by Rumple)

      7x11: Resurrection Amulet: Drains Magic, with a Sacred Orchid and ritual, can trade one life for another (who is just mostly dead)

      7x12: Enchanted Spear.....don't know why.

      7x13: Maui's FishHook

      This is getting off-topic to be honest, but I don't think the enchanted spear was a mcguffin because it wasn't important at all, it was just there like the necklace, it didn't drive the story and it was just another magical object.

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    • The spear was a macguffin, or at least Chekov’s gun.

      I’m guessing Gothel aged up Alice to get another Coven Member and Alice escapes and runs through many realms. Skip a few years, she runs into Robin.

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    • It seems like the FB here will follow pretty directly what we see in 713. That's interesting. Also, I have a feeling this episode is where we will see Robin's cursed persona for the first time.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      It seems like the FB here will follow pretty directly what we see in 713. That's interesting. Also, I have a feeling this episode is where we will see Robin's cursed persona for the first time.

      Tiera is confirmed for 713, so i dunno...

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      It seems like the FB here will follow pretty directly what we see in 713. That's interesting. Also, I have a feeling this episode is where we will see Robin's cursed persona for the first time.
      Tiera is confirmed for 713, so i dunno...

      Sometimes filming overlaps, so we get confused which episode the person is there for, it could be she filmed in the 713/714 overlap, and we didn't know 714 had started yet, so we put her in 713. Alternativly, she could show up right at the end of 713 to lead into 714 (like what the did with Red in 5B).

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      It seems like the FB here will follow pretty directly what we see in 713. That's interesting. Also, I have a feeling this episode is where we will see Robin's cursed persona for the first time.
      Tiera is confirmed for 713, so i dunno...
      Sometimes filming overlaps, so we get confused which episode the person is there for, it could be she filmed in the 713/714 overlap, and we didn't know 714 had started yet, so we put her in 713. Alternativly, she could show up right at the end of 713 to lead into 714 (like what the did with Red in 5B).

      I would like that. 

      I'm a bit sad that the timeline doesn't fit with this, but i'd love to see Alice and Robin being allusions to Rapunzel and the Prince (or Flynn, in the Tangled case) .

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    • Alice is an allusion to Rapunzel, we all know why. Robin is also an allusion to Flynn, because, after all, she's Robin Hood's daughter and Robin will most likely be some kind of bandit like Flynn

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    • I hope Robin will be in Hyperion Heights by the end of this episode. 7x16 is a bit late for her and Tilly to meet, especially since they said the relationship would be explored throughout the whole second half.

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    • CuriousZ wrote:
      I hope Robin will be in Hyperion Heights by the end of this episode. 7x16 is a bit late for her and Tilly to meet, especially since they said the relationship would be explored throughout the whole second half.

      I suspect she will appear towards the end of 713 for a major role in this episode. We don't know basically anything about this episode's present-day plot, do we?

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      CuriousZ wrote:
      I hope Robin will be in Hyperion Heights by the end of this episode. 7x16 is a bit late for her and Tilly to meet, especially since they said the relationship would be explored throughout the whole second half.

      I suspect she will appear towards the end of 713 for a major role in this episode. We don't know basically anything about this episode's present-day plot, do we?

      I was hoping for that, but Tiera wasn’t in the press release for 7x13 so she won’t be in the episode. No I don’t think we do.

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    • They are really trolling with the promo. It is an Alice centric, and they don't show her at all.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      They are really trolling with the promo. It is an Alice centric, and they don't show her at all.

      Yes. I got so pissed with that! I was hoping for them to show Robin in Seattle.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      They are really trolling with the promo. It is an Alice centric, and they don't show her at all.
      Yes. I got so pissed with that! I was hoping for them to show Robin in Seattle.

      Same! Why did they do that!

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    • Hopefully New Wonderland is in this episode, and hopefully this time it actually has people. That was one of my biggest pet peeves about 708.

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    • When I said that they are going all in on the four pillars of the show...I kind of didn't expect them to completely overshadow Alice's episode with the C-plot of "OMG! Spy Kids is failure. Abort. Abort!"

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    • It does seem a bit weird. Uusally they put scenes from all the plotlines in an episode, but this one was just soley Regina/Lucy. Maybe they thought Rose would promote the episode at Con today.

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    • Calibaz wrote: It does seem a bit weird. Uusally they put scenes from all the plotlines in an episode, but this one was just soley Regina/Lucy. Maybe they thought Rose would promote the episode at Con today.

      Um, a Con that has like...nowhere near as many millions watch the television/online promo.

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    • I’m kind of disappointed that they didn’t show Alice/Robin in the promo. It’s like they’re afraid of backlash against the LGBT storyline.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:
      I’m kind of disappointed that they didn’t show Alice/Robin in the promo. It’s like they’re afraid of backlash against the LGBT storyline.

      I think they just wanted to show Regina and Lucy, even though that is surely the B plot for the episode, because they are more well known than Alice/Tilly.

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    • I assume this is the episode of how Alice breaks out of the tower and proceeds to go to other places (which if I recall, were confirmed that we'd see). I'm just not sure how Robyn fits into it, unless Robyn and Zelena visited Oz at one point... Or if they went to the tower at one point, prior to Regina arriving in the NEF (which I doubt). We know that the tower was already broken before Zelena and Robyn come to the realm. 

      I think the scene in the trailer with the candle blowing is Alice. 

      I'm quite excited for the Regina-Lucy mission, as we can see, Regina is a bit new at this. Maybe we'll get her jokingly talk about Emma? (That's a stretch, but it's still reasonable). 

      I also think, with Zelena will end up with her child showing up in the Heights in this episode as like irony. 

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    • I can't wait to see Robin again. Tilobin/Rillly forever!

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    • 123Raura wrote:
      I can't wait to see Robin again. Tilobin/Rillly forever!

      The ship's name is Mad Archer. <3 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      123Raura wrote:
      I can't wait to see Robin again. Tilobin/Rillly forever!
      The ship's name is Mad Archer. <3 

      Would it be acceptable to change it the nutty couple if Robyn's cursed name is Pistachio (Green)? 

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      123Raura wrote:
      I can't wait to see Robin again. Tilobin/Rillly forever!
      The ship's name is Mad Archer. <3 
      Would it be acceptable to change it the nutty couple if Robyn's cursed name is Pistachio (Green)? 

      Nah...  

      Once's ship names are known for being different than other show's. 

      Captain Swan, Mad Archer, OutlawQueen, Swan Queen. XD

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      I assume this is the episode of how Alice breaks out of the tower and proceeds to go to other places (which if I recall, were confirmed that we'd see). I'm just not sure how Robyn fits into it, unless Robyn and Zelena visited Oz at one point... Or if they went to the tower at one point, prior to Regina arriving in the NEF (which I doubt). We know that the tower was already broken before Zelena and Robyn come to the realm. 

      Yeah, I'm confused about that too about that too after 7x11.

      Rose did confirm on Twitter that you'll see how Alice gets out of the tower in 7x14, but it kinda looks like that won't be the central point of the flashbacks? I guess Alice breaks out herself and then perhaps it jumps forward to when she runs into Robin? Not sure if this would be before or after Alice finds her father in the 7x08 flashbacks.

      But at the end of the day, a lot of time things don't make sense, so if somehow Robin WAS involved with getting Alice out of the tower, I wouldn't be surprised and it would just be another S7 discrepancy. 

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    • To be honest, I like Rabbit Hood as a name (because R.Hood is Robin's full name basically).

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: To be honest, I like Rabbit Hood as a name (because R.Hood is Robin's full name basically).

      Robin’s last name is unknown and her father doesn’t have a known last name. Even if we accept Hood as his last name, it’s not necessarily Robin’s.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote: To be honest, I like Rabbit Hood as a name (because R.Hood is Robin's full name basically).

      Robin’s last name is unknown and her father doesn’t have a known last name. Even if we accept Hood as his last name, it’s not necessarily Robin’s.

      This is off-topic but: what do you think of my theory for Homecoming? Answer in that thread, of course.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote: To be honest, I like Rabbit Hood as a name (because R.Hood is Robin's full name basically).

      Robin’s last name is unknown and her father doesn’t have a known last name. Even if we accept Hood as his last name, it’s not necessarily Robin’s.

      This is off-topic but: what do you think of my theory for Homecoming? Answer in that thread, of course.

      Don’t go offtopic. I do read essentially every thread.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Leroiblanc wrote:
      I assume this is the episode of how Alice breaks out of the tower and proceeds to go to other places (which if I recall, were confirmed that we'd see). I'm just not sure how Robyn fits into it, unless Robyn and Zelena visited Oz at one point... Or if they went to the tower at one point, prior to Regina arriving in the NEF (which I doubt). We know that the tower was already broken before Zelena and Robyn come to the realm. 
      Yeah, I'm confused about that too about that too after 7x11.

      Rose did confirm on Twitter that you'll see how Alice gets out of the tower in 7x14, but it kinda looks like that won't be the central point of the flashbacks? I guess Alice breaks out herself and then perhaps it jumps forward to when she runs into Robin? Not sure if this would be before or after Alice finds her father in the 7x08 flashbacks.

      But at the end of the day, a lot of time things don't make sense, so if somehow Robin WAS involved with getting Alice out of the tower, I wouldn't be surprised and it would just be another S7 discrepancy. 

      It would be after 7x08, ergo Alice escaped by herself. Thus, since Robin fled to Madame Leota's cottage in between the years where Driz was a statue, that would also be the time in which Robin and Alice met.

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    • I'm not sure if this comment belongs on this thread, but since it pertains to Tilly/Alice, I'll say it anyway: if people want to think of it this way, Alice/Tilly could represent a hypothetical CaptainSwan daughter. 

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    • 123Raura wrote: I'm not sure if this comment belongs on this thread, but since it pertains to Tilly/Alice, I'll say it anyway: if people want to think of it this way, Alice/Tilly could represent a hypothetical CaptainSwan daughter. 

      Not really, but it doesn’t belong on this thread.

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    • TILLY FIGHTS TO PROVE HER INNOCENCE WHILE ALICE FINDS HER WAY IN A LONELY WORLD AND FORGES AN UNBREAKABLE CONNECTION, ON ABC’S ‘ONCE UPON A TIME’

      “The Girl in the Tower” – Rogers works to prove Tilly’s innocence in the case of the Blind Baker’s death, while Ivy attempts to make amends with Anastasia, and Samdi makes a revealing confession to Roni. Meanwhile, in a faraway realm, Alice forms an unbreakable bond, on “Once Upon a Time,” FRIDAY, MARCH 23 (8:00–9:01 p.m. EDT), on The ABC Television Network, streaming and on demand.

      “Once Upon a Time” stars Lana Parrilla as Regina/Roni, Robert Carlyle as Rumpelstiltskin/Weaver, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook/Rogers, Andrew J. West as Henry Mills, Gabrielle Anwar as Lady Tremaine/Victoria Belfrey, Dania Ramirez as Cinderella/Jacinda, Alison Fernandez as Lucy, and Mekia Cox as Sabine/Tiana.

      Guest starring in this episode are Rebecca Mader as Zelena/Kelly, Rose Reynolds as Alice/Tilly, Adelaide Kane as Drizella/Ivy, Emma Booth as The Witch/Gothel/Eloise Gardener, Daniel Francis as Dr. Facilier/Mr. Samdi, Yael Yurman as Anastasia and Tiera Skovbye as Robin/Margot.

      “The Girl in the Tower” was written by Dana Horgan & Leah Fong, and directed by Antonio Negret.

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    • So Robin's cursed name is Margot!

      Looking forward to the flashback and the various present day storylines. 

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      TILLY FIGHTS TO PROVE HER INNOCENCE WHILE ALICE FINDS HER WAY IN A LONELY WORLD AND FORGES AN UNBREAKABLE CONNECTION,

      ON ABC’S ‘ONCE UPON A TIME’

      “The Girl in the Tower” – Rogers works to prove Tilly’s innocence in the case of the Blind Baker’s death, while Ivy attempts to make amends with Anastasia, and Samdi makes a revealing confession to Roni. Meanwhile, in a faraway realm, Alice forms an unbreakable bond, on “Once Upon a Time,” FRIDAY, MARCH 23 (8:00–9:01 p.m. EDT), on The ABC Television Network, streaming and on demand.

      “Once Upon a Time” stars Lana Parrilla as Regina/Roni, Robert Carlyle as Rumpelstiltskin/Weaver, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook/Rogers, Andrew J. West as Henry Mills, Gabrielle Anwar as Lady Tremaine/Victoria Belfrey, Dania Ramirez as Cinderella/Jacinda, Alison Fernandez as Lucy, and Mekia Cox as Sabine/Tiana.

      Guest starring in this episode are Rebecca Mader as Zelena/Kelly, Rose Reynolds as Alice/Tilly, Adelaide Kane as Drizella/Ivy, Emma Booth as The Witch/Gothel/Eloise Gardener, Daniel Francis as Dr. Facilier/Mr. Samdi, Yael Yurman as Anastasia and Tiera Skovbye as Robin/Margot.

      “The Girl in the Tower” was written by Dana Horgan & Leah Fong, and directed by Antonio Negret.

      I was literally just about to post in this thread to complain that the press release wasn't out yet, because that usually works in making it appear. XD

      Anyway, regarding the actual content, nothing too surprising, although we finally got Robin's cursed name! Yay!

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      TILLY FIGHTS TO PROVE HER INNOCENCE WHILE ALICE FINDS HER WAY IN A LONELY WORLD AND FORGES AN UNBREAKABLE CONNECTION,

      ON ABC’S ‘ONCE UPON A TIME’

      “The Girl in the Tower” – Rogers works to prove Tilly’s innocence in the case of the Blind Baker’s death, while Ivy attempts to make amends with Anastasia, and Samdi makes a revealing confession to Roni. Meanwhile, in a faraway realm, Alice forms an unbreakable bond, on “Once Upon a Time,” FRIDAY, MARCH 23 (8:00–9:01 p.m. EDT), on The ABC Television Network, streaming and on demand.

      “Once Upon a Time” stars Lana Parrilla as Regina/Roni, Robert Carlyle as Rumpelstiltskin/Weaver, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook/Rogers, Andrew J. West as Henry Mills, Gabrielle Anwar as Lady Tremaine/Victoria Belfrey, Dania Ramirez as Cinderella/Jacinda, Alison Fernandez as Lucy, and Mekia Cox as Sabine/Tiana.

      Guest starring in this episode are Rebecca Mader as Zelena/Kelly, Rose Reynolds as Alice/Tilly, Adelaide Kane as Drizella/Ivy, Emma Booth as The Witch/Gothel/Eloise Gardener, Daniel Francis as Dr. Facilier/Mr. Samdi, Yael Yurman as Anastasia and Tiera Skovbye as Robin/Margot.

      “The Girl in the Tower” was written by Dana Horgan & Leah Fong, and directed by Antonio Negret.

      YAAS! So glad that Robin's counterpart is appearing in this episode!

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    • Robin is Margot....ugh, that sounds sick! As in, making me ill. French for Pearl.

      Four prongs!

      A. Rogers tryin to prove Alice’s innocence is weird in that the murder scene didn’t really look that compromised and Alice was a bit hysterical. Oh well.

      B. Ivy tries to reconnect with her little big sis. A bit sooner than I thought. We’ve got one more episode!

      C. Samdi has a surprise confession. “Regina, I love you!” Regina collapses, while a gloved hand snips her hair.

      D. Alice seems to meet Robin in a new realm. Wonder if that’s ABC being unaware what goes on in the show or an actual new realm.

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    • Rwo

      Eskaver wrote: French for Pearl.

      It's "perle".

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Robin is Margot....ugh, that sounds sick! As in, making me ill. French for Pearl.

      Four prongs!

      A. Rogers tryin to prove Alice’s innocence is weird in that the murder scene didn’t really look that compromised and Alice was a bit hysterical. Oh well.

      B. Ivy tries to reconnect with her little big sis. A bit sooner than I thought. We’ve got one more episode!

      C. Samdi has a surprise confession. “Regina, I love you!” Regina collapses, while a gloved hand snips her hair.

      D. Alice seems to meet Robin in a new realm. Wonder if that’s ABC being unaware what goes on in the show or an actual new realm.

      They say faraway realm a lot, so I think they just mean the New Enchanted Forest. But I wouldn't be surprised either if Robyn and Alice meet in another realm...like new Wonderland? Oz is a bit of a stretch, but it could still make sense as one of Alice's other places.

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    • The plot of this episode seems a bit more ambitous than the last three. Three plots during present day...but one plot-ish in the past (I assume we'll see Alice leaving the tower before meeting Robyn). 

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    • https://youtu.be/JaYjWliaXMo

      not sure who the guy in the promo pic is

      Looks like there won't be a timeline issue of Robyn and Alice's meet! Still hoping to see how Alice escaped though. Seems like there's a...witch hunt. Their meet seems oddly familiar to Dorothy and Ruby/Mulan...

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    • I can’t wait to see how Alice and Robin’s relationship develops.

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    • Any theories on what Fcailier’s “ revealing confession “ is to Roni/Regina?

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    • Are they standing outside Gothels tower in the promo pics? A few shots has everyone looking up.

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    • I wonder what it is with Robyn and (formerly) Robin pointing their bows at everyone they meet.

      I really can't figure out what the mob of pitchforks and torches are supposed to be doing. Theorizer suggested that the guy could be another Sheriff of Nottingham. 

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    • So, no Dr Sage in this episode?

      I thought it was said she would return in this one

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      https://youtu.be/JaYjWliaXMonot sure who the guy in the promo pic is

      ROLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


      Those are the new merry men, with Roland as a leader. But they look more like rogues

      It's the perfect episode for Robyn and Roland to meet

      (Just a theory of course)

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      Leroiblanc wrote:
      https://youtu.be/JaYjWliaXMo

      not sure who the guy in the promo pic is

      ROLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      I would say so. Sure they Lily’d Him, but if anyone’s going to look like Robin and lead merry men, it’s Roland. I mean, if Robin who is 4 years younger was 18, Roland would easily be 22.

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    • And the guy is not credited in the press release. That's way too suspicious

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      8Rob wrote:

      Leroiblanc wrote:
      https://youtu.be/JaYjWliaXMo

      not sure who the guy in the promo pic is

      ROLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      I would say so. Sure they Lily’d Him, but if anyone’s going to look like Robin and lead merry men, it’s Roland. I mean, if Robin who is 4 years younger was 18, Roland would easily be 22.

      Per IMDB, this guy plays Clayton. Not Roland.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      8Rob wrote:

      Leroiblanc wrote:
      https://youtu.be/JaYjWliaXMo

      not sure who the guy in the promo pic is

      ROLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      I would say so. Sure they Lily’d Him, but if anyone’s going to look like Robin and lead merry men, it’s Roland. I mean, if Robin who is 4 years younger was 18, Roland would easily be 22.

      Per IMDB, this guy plays Clayton. Not Roland.

      Not Clayton. (Sorry KH joke)

      I guess that makes sense (Didn’t we know about him earlier?)

      Depending on the world we see I was thinking Lost boys (but they are too old) or Merry Men. Time to see if I can figure out famous Claytons.

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      https://youtu.be/JaYjWliaXMo

      not sure who the guy in the promo pic is

      Looks like there won't be a timeline issue of Robyn and Alice's meet! Still hoping to see how Alice escaped though. Seems like there's a...witch hunt. Their meet seems oddly familiar to Dorothy and Ruby/Mulan...

      Wonder where the promo pics came from. Did ABC post them already? Also, like Lady said, the guy is credited as Clayton by IMDB (and has been for a while), so most likely just a random character leading the mob.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      So, no Dr Sage in this episode?

      I thought it was said she would return in this one

      She's a costar, and they don't always get listed on the press release. We will just have to wait until the episode airs to find out.

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    • So the press release pictures give us two interesting things. 1. The FB takes place after Lucy is born (and presumably after 711 since Zelena is there). 2. There is a mob that seems to be hunting something in the air (they are looking up in a lot of the pictures). The Jabberwock, perhaps?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: So the press release pictures give us two interesting things. 1. The FB takes place after Lucy is born (and presumably after 711 since Zelena is there). 2. There is a mob that seems to be hunting something in the air (they are looking up in a lot of the pictures). The Jabberwock, perhaps?

      Well for Alice to meet Robin it had to be after Lucy was born.

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    • Alice and Cindy's mom took care of the Jabberwock in New Wonderland and it was before Lucy was born.

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    • Calibaz wrote: Alice and Cindy's mom took care of the Jabberwock in New Wonderland and it was before Lucy was born.

      Or Alice lied.

      Its pretty obvious that Cecelia died before Alice was born given by the statements and what was shown.

      Cecelia runs away. Marcus searches for a year. The light fades.

      Ana is preserved. Gothel is trapped. Alice is born.

      Alice says that the light faded because of Cecelia’s death. So, Cecilia died before Alice was born...or Cecelia didn’t die at that time.

      So, saying Alice and Cecelia took care of the Jabberwock is up in the air as whether that’s true or not.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Calibaz wrote: Alice and Cindy's mom took care of the Jabberwock in New Wonderland and it was before Lucy was born.

      Or Alice lied.

      Its pretty obvious that Cecelia died before Alice was born given by the statements and what was shown.

      Cecelia runs away. Marcus searches for a year. The light fades.

      Ana is preserved. Gothel is trapped. Alice is born.

      Alice says that the light faded because of Cecelia’s death. So, Cecilia died before Alice was born...or Cecelia didn’t die at that time.

      So, saying Alice and Cecelia took care of the Jabberwock is up in the air as whether that’s true or not.

      Yep, this. Either the writers completely failed, or Alice was not being totally honest with Ella. As the writers have never made a mistake that large (having a character not even be alive when said events happened), I'm inclined to believe that something that Alice said maybe wasn't the whole truth. Since we think 718 might be an Alice-centric, maybe this gets explained in that episode, because I don't think we have room for it in this episode.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: Yep, this. Either the writers completely failed, or Alice was not being totally honest with Ella. As the writers have never made a mistake that large (having a character not even be alive when said events happened), I'm inclined to believe that something that Alice said maybe wasn't the whole truth. Since we think 718 might be an Alice-centric, maybe this gets explained in that episode, because I don't think we have room for it in this episode.

      The only time that was real wonky was when they inserted a whole flashback within a seamless and continiuous scene from 2x09 in Swan Song. Like, that was atrocious. I can headcanon that Emma and Hook’s time travel adventure changed things, but officially, the writers act like 2x09 didn’t have a seamless and continuous scene. They did that bad retcon to give validity to the retcon that Regina gave Hook a heart-ripping potion.

      We can headcanon that Alice lied if it isn’t answered, but I hope so. This episode will probably tell us if and when she escaped and maybe a little bit of her in Wonderland...maybe.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: Yep, this. Either the writers completely failed, or Alice was not being totally honest with Ella. As the writers have never made a mistake that large (having a character not even be alive when said events happened), I'm inclined to believe that something that Alice said maybe wasn't the whole truth. Since we think 718 might be an Alice-centric, maybe this gets explained in that episode, because I don't think we have room for it in this episode.

      The only time that was real wonky was when they inserted a whole flashback within a seamless and continiuous scene from 2x09 in Swan Song. Like, that was atrocious. I can headcanon that Emma and Hook’s time travel adventure changed things, but officially, the writers act like 2x09 didn’t have a seamless and continuous scene. They did that bad retcon to give validity to the retcon that Regina gave Hook a heart-ripping potion.

      We can headcanon that Alice lied if it isn’t answered, but I hope so. This episode will probably tell us if and when she escaped and maybe a little bit of her in Wonderland...maybe.

      Yeah, 511 was probably the worst thing they ever did regarding a flashback and placement.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Yep, this. Either the writers completely failed, or Alice was not being totally honest with Ella. As the writers have never made a mistake that large (having a character not even be alive when said events happened), I'm inclined to believe that something that Alice said maybe wasn't the whole truth. Since we think 718 might be an Alice-centric, maybe this gets explained in that episode, because I don't think we have room for it in this episode.

      The writers haven't been able to keep their timeline straight this season in regards to numerous things, so I can totally buy that the writers made an error here. We have quite a few canon conflicts that simply can't be reconciled. Considering Ella doesn't have another centric, they likely won't mention her mother again. I can't imagine 7x18 will be anyone but Rumple's.

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    • So I guess we'll be getting the sneak peek tomorrow again. Better late than never, I guess.

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    • Abc’s Promo team is hilarious. Besides the weird sneak peeks hours before the show...

      “Get ready for the...WAR OF THE Witches! Every—wait, the witches are dead, dying and dropping like flies...”*cue Zelena* “Oops.”

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    • I'm starting to wonder if the reason ABC releases sneak peeks so late is because they've decided that since the show is cancelled, it's not worth promoting.

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    • Aine1989 wrote: I'm starting to wonder if the reason ABC releases sneak peeks so late is because they've decided that since the show is cancelled, it's not worth promoting.

      I doubt it. Probably due to when the show airs and just lack of interest (which is in part what you are saying). It doesn’t really cost them anything and it holds no real sway, so I don’t think there’s much behind the decision besides Major Once News is happening...”Do we want to sneak in a quick peek? Nah.”

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    • They are not interested in season seven anymore and the new characters storylines, sad because this ep looks really interesting, Alice is an iconic character and they should promote the hell out of her, more than reformed Wicked Witch or the others, although they are major characters in the whole show, but still. I'm sure they will release 4-5 sneak peeks of the series finale though.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: They are not interested in season seven anymore and the new characters storylines, sad because this ep looks really interesting, Alice is an iconic character and they should promote the hell out of her, more than reformed Wicked Witch or the others, although they are major characters in the whole show, but still. I'm sure they will release 4-5 sneak peeks of the series finale though.

      Big chance that those that do the promo work don’t actually watch the show. Probably working in some vague framework and key marketing characters (like Regina and Hook are used more on their marketing than even Emma at times.)

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    • Well...if there was a thing called chemistry I didn’t really feel it past exposition. But I don’t do “chemistry radar” or something.

      So, we are just going to skip past the Tower part. Guess Alice did grow up fully.

      So, if Drizzy was around 12 when Ana was preserved, Alice is at least Robin’s age of 18, then Drizzy was 30 and Ella 34 when Lucy was born.

      And some how, 18 NEF years passed while like 30+ passed in WR. Timeline, what are you?

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    • I think Alice and Robin have a lot of chemistry. Their meeting reminded me of Snowing's. I like that Alice kept calling Robin, "Nobin", and that Robin didn't think it was "cool." 

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    • Following the "True Love starts with a weapon" rule. Snowing had a rock, Captain Swan had a knife, Red Kansas had a crossbow, Outlaw Queen had an arrow and Curious Archer has an arrow.

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    • Aine1989 wrote:
      Following the "True Love starts with a weapon" rule. Snowing had a rock, Captain Swan had a knife, Red Kansas had a crossbow and Curious Archer has an arrow.

      The ship is now confirmed by Rose & Tiera to be Mad Archer <3 

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Well...if there was a thing called chemistry I didn’t really feel it past exposition. But I don’t do “chemistry radar” or something.

      So, we are just going to skip past the Tower part. Guess Alice did grow up fully.

      So, if Drizzy was around 12 when Ana was preserved, Alice is at least Robin’s age of 18, then Drizzy was 30 and Ella 34 when Lucy was born.

      And some how, 18 NEF years passed while like 30+ passed in WR. Timeline, what are you?

      Rose said that we're gonna learn how Alice escaped... perhaps they won't show it directly but Alice will simply tell it.

      http://ew.com/tv/2018/03/23/once-upon-a-time-alice-robin-reynolds-skovbye-spoilers/

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    • Emillian Swanones wrote: I think Alice and Robin have a lot of chemistry. Their meeting reminded me of Snowing's. I like that Alice kept calling Robin, "Nobin", and that Robin didn't think it was "cool." 

      I think that was to be. Feels like every couple is mimicking Snowing these days.

      I think Alice and Robin have potential, but perhaps I feel either character imbalance or just because there was a lot of exposition tossed about. (Obviously, it’s subjective. I’m sure the episode will be great.)

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    • So any theories as to what / who is the monster?

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    • Cheshire Cat? Jabberwocky? Some other Wonderland creature? Maybe a Rabbit :)

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      Cheshire Cat? Jabberwocky? Some other Wonderland creature? Maybe a Rabbit :)

      It's definitely not Jabberwocky, 'cause Alice said it killed everyone in (New) Wonderland.

      (And that she slayed it). 

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      Cheshire Cat? Jabberwocky? Some other Wonderland creature? Maybe a Rabbit :)

      Another giant Cheshire cat? Or maybe the Bandersnatch. Maybe even the Gryphon?  Could totally just be a monstrous door mouse.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Emillian Swanones wrote: I think Alice and Robin have a lot of chemistry. Their meeting reminded me of Snowing's. I like that Alice kept calling Robin, "Nobin", and that Robin didn't think it was "cool." 

      I think that was to be. Feels like every couple is mimicking Snowing these days.

      I think Alice and Robin have potential, but perhaps I feel either character imbalance or just because there was a lot of exposition tossed about. (Obviously, it’s subjective. I’m sure the episode will be great.)

      What's character imbalance? Personally, it seems that the exposition drowned out proper interactions between the two (for the most part). The nicknames, Nobin and tower girl, were cute. 

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    • Maybe the monster is somehow the rabbit Alice was chasing at the end of 7x04

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    • Good sneak peek! The interview posted also has a few interesting tidbits about this episode. As for the biggest mystery right now, the creature (which I'm guessing is what the mob is looking up at in the promo pics) is most likely a Wonderland character. If we look at flying or floating (based on the mob looking up) Wonderland characters, I really only can find 4 that I think could work: Cheshire Cat, Gryphon, Jabberwock, or Jubjub Bird. For more info on them:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire_Cat

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryphon_(Alice%27s_Adventures_in_Wonderland)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubjub_bird

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Emillian Swanones wrote: I think Alice and Robin have a lot of chemistry. Their meeting reminded me of Snowing's. I like that Alice kept calling Robin, "Nobin", and that Robin didn't think it was "cool." 

      I think that was to be. Feels like every couple is mimicking Snowing these days.

      I think Alice and Robin have potential, but perhaps I feel either character imbalance or just because there was a lot of exposition tossed about. (Obviously, it’s subjective. I’m sure the episode will be great.)

      What's character imbalance? Personally, it seems that the exposition drowned out proper interactions between the two (for the most part). The nicknames, Nobin and tower girl, were cute. 

      I must feel pessimistic today. The nicknames reminded me of Ruby Slippers.

      By character imbalance, it’s more of a subjective thing. I feel Alice is a lot stronger than Robin. Of course, it’s also heavily and Alice episode, so it’s not surprising.

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    • While the nicknames also did give me Ruby Slippers vibes, it felt much more natural than they did.

      Maybe giving your girlfriend nicknames is just a wlw thing.

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    • Since Clayton is in the episode, could it be a gorilla?

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    • Aine1989 wrote: While the nicknames also did give me Ruby Slippers vibes, it felt much more natural than they did.

      Maybe giving your girlfriend nicknames is just a wlw thing.

      Right off the bat? But I’m kidding, it fits Alice’s randomness. Though I feel we need more exploration into their story....which we’ll have tonight.

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    • Good sneak peek. So, Robin wont play the Flynn Rider role here

      We kinda already know how Alice escaped: by destroying the whole tower as we saw it in 7x06

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    • AlbOuat wrote:

      Rose said that we're gonna learn how Alice escaped... perhaps they won't show it directly but Alice will simply tell it.

      http://ew.com/tv/2018/03/23/once-upon-a-time-alice-robin-reynolds-skovbye-spoilers/

      Since Alice is calling the monster her friend, I'm guessing it helped her escape? Curious as to what it is!

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    • I thought the monster could be a dragon (lily, madam mim, jabberwocky, etc); but Alice said "you can't shoot HIM". So, I do not know why, but i thought HE was Rumplestiltskin in another shape. I am sure that this "dragon" have burnt the tower in which Alice was prisoned, because in the episode with the first meeting between Drizella and Regina there was a tower, distroyed, and Rumplestiltskin was nearby.

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    • Aine1989 wrote:
      While the nicknames also did give me Ruby Slippers vibes, it felt much more natural than they did.

      Maybe giving your girlfriend nicknames is just a wlw thing.

      I agree, the dialogue seems a lot more natural this time around (though, I'm not sure why Robyn is running around pointing her bow at people). The dialogue in Ruby Slippers made sense but felt forced-ish.

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    • Bottondoro wrote:
      I thought the monster could be a dragon (lily, madam mim, jabberwocky, etc); but Alice said "you can't shoot HIM". So, I do not know why, but i thought HE was Rumplestiltskin in another shape.

      I am sure that this "dragon" have burnt the tower in which Alice was prisoned, because in the episode with the first meeting between Drizella and Regina there was a tower, distroyed, and Rumplestiltskin was nearby.

      But she was out of the tower before Regina and Drizella met. 

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    • Aine1989 wrote:
      While the nicknames also did give me Ruby Slippers vibes, it felt much more natural than they did.

      Maybe giving your girlfriend nicknames is just a wlw thing.

      I mean lovers having pet names for each other is an everybody thing. It's just weird the only heterosexual character to do it in show was Snow with "Charming".

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    • I don't know about chemistry, I have to see more of them and I want to, but they look great, they remind me a bit of Emma and Regina with Robin being more introverted while Alice is full of fire. They kind of clash, it's a nice dynamic and I'm glad it's getting tons of episodes to shine! It's really the storyline we have been waiting for, after that Ruby Slippers flop.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Good sneak peek! The interview posted also has a few interesting tidbits about this episode. As for the biggest mystery right now, the creature (which I'm guessing is what the mob is looking up at in the promo pics) is most likely a Wonderland character. If we look at flying or floating (based on the mob looking up) Wonderland characters, I really only can find 4 that I think could work: Cheshire Cat, Gryphon, Jabberwock, or Jubjub Bird. For more info on them:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire_Cat

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryphon_(Alice%27s_Adventures_in_Wonderland)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubjub_bird

      Based on the fact that Alice says it's a friend I would guess it is a Bandersnatch... I know that in OUaT in Wonderland it is an enemy but in Burton's Disney version it starts out as an enemy but later heals and aids Alice http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Bandersnatch

      It could be the Cheshire Cat, but he was more frustration than friend to Alice

      Alice already mentioned to Ella that she slayed the Jabberwocky

      The mob looking up could just be a reaction to a sound- I know when tracking an animal in the quiet woods and you hear something rustle or a branch break I look up, Could just be my instinctual reaction... I don't know, guess it helps to try and pinpoint the exact direction the sound originated from

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    • I have a feeling this episode is going to be great.

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    • Suburbanprincess wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Good sneak peek! The interview posted also has a few interesting tidbits about this episode. As for the biggest mystery right now, the creature (which I'm guessing is what the mob is looking up at in the promo pics) is most likely a Wonderland character. If we look at flying or floating (based on the mob looking up) Wonderland characters, I really only can find 4 that I think could work: Cheshire Cat, Gryphon, Jabberwock, or Jubjub Bird. For more info on them:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire_Cat

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryphon_(Alice%27s_Adventures_in_Wonderland)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubjub_bird

      Based on the fact that Alice says it's a friend I would guess it is a Bandersnatch... I know that in OUaT in Wonderland it is an enemy but in Burton's Disney version it starts out as an enemy but later heals and aids Alice

      http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Bandersnatch

      It could be the Cheshire Cat, but he was more frustration than friend to Alice

      Alice already mentioned to Ella that she slayed the Jabberwocky

      The mob looking up could just be a reaction to a sound- I know when tracking an animal in the quiet woods and you hear something rustle or a branch break I look up, Could just be my instinctual reaction... I don't know, guess it helps to try and pinpoint the exact direction the sound originated from

      I'm currently thinking the Gryphon is most likely, but we'll find out soon enough.

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    • Only a half hour left until we're all mad here!

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