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    00:12, March 17, 2018

    https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/930218989690556417

    written by Jerome Schwartz and Miguel Ian Raya

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    • New writer?! Edit: He was on the production staff for seasons.

      Is this a Nick centric? I know that he's new, but Branson does mean 'son of the raven" or "sword", eventually.

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    • New writer, interesting. Wonder who this will be about. We obviously have the word "knight" mixed with the word "nightfall". Hmmm... can't think of anything off the top of my head, and it doesn't have an obvious connection to any of the four main stories this season.

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    • I think that if Alice is Wish Hook's daughter as I'm suspecting, this will be her centric because Wish Hook gave her his knight chess piece. 

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    • Emillian Swanones wrote:
      I think that if Alice is Wish Hook's daughter as I'm suspecting, this will be her centric because Wish Hook gave her his knight chess piece. 

      True, true! Didn't think about that.

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    • Emillian Swanones wrote: I think that if Alice is Wish Hook's daughter as I'm suspecting, this will be her centric because Wish Hook gave her his knight chess piece. 

      The first thought I had was that it was referencing the Black Knights (or Regina’s guards) but your theory is probably true.

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    • Finally a new episode title

      Souns it could be indeed an Alice centric, if this is a reference to the chess piece

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    • I honestly wouldn't mind if this was centered to an actual knight, some focus on (new) male characters wouldn't hurt.

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    • Emillian Swanones wrote: I think that if Alice is Wish Hook's daughter as I'm suspecting, this will be her centric because Wish Hook gave her his knight chess piece. 

      I agree. This sounds very likely!

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    • There's a protocol in Batman games, movies and comics called "Nightfall" which is where someone is apparently killed - Batman uses it after his identity is revealed in "Arkham Knight", so maybe it's something like that.

      Obviously, it can't be Batman, but if this is Rumple centric - well, he was a Knight in that fake world Isaac made - maybe this is his swansong in which he bows out?

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    • HRHPrincessSierra wrote:

      Emillian Swanones wrote: I think that if Alice is Wish Hook's daughter as I'm suspecting, this will be her centric because Wish Hook gave her his knight chess piece. 

      I agree. This sounds very likely!

      Well, Rapunzel is Hook's daughter as she is the missing "Eloise Gardener" who has already been confirmed as Hook's daughter.

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    • HarryPotterRules1 wrote:
      HRHPrincessSierra wrote:

      Emillian Swanones wrote: I think that if Alice is Wish Hook's daughter as I'm suspecting, this will be her centric because Wish Hook gave her his knight chess piece. 

      I agree. This sounds very likely!
      Well, Rapunzel is Hook's daughter as she is the missing "Eloise Gardener" who has already been confirmed as Hook's daughter.

      Rapunzel has in no way been confirmed to be Hook's daughter. In fact it is much more likely she is Lady Tremaine.

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    • And as I say elsewhere, Alice is very unlikely to be Hook's daughter. \

      1. They have never went through the trouble of giving a person three credited/script names in a given season.

      2. Eloise is Hook's daughter. We already know that Alice isn't Eloise as Sam Ochotta warned someone that he was trying to find her and that he would know what Eloise looks like (he has all the details on the filed missing reports, etc. Rogers isn't that oblivious.

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    • Knightfall, the fall of a Knight? Maybe a certaine author/prince/knight as we don't really know what Henry is now :) ????

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      And as I say elsewhere, Alice is very unlikely to be Hook's daughter. \

      1. They have never went through the trouble of giving a person three credited/script names in a given season.

      2. Eloise is Hook's daughter. We already know that Alice isn't Eloise as Sam Ochotta warned someone that he was trying to find her and that he would know what Eloise looks like (he has all the details on the filed missing reports, etc. Rogers isn't that oblivious.

      agree

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    • Alice is my first thought but who knows, maybe Jack was a fallen knight?

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    • IMDB lists Chad Rook as "Captain Kidd." He confirmed on Instagram that he booked a role on OUAT 3 days ago. https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbh9GllDTap/

      Captain William Kidd was a famous real-life pirate.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      IMDB lists Chad Rook as "Captain Kidd." He confirmed on Instagram that he booked a role on OUAT 3 days ago. https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbh9GllDTap/

      Captain William Kidd was a famous real-life pirate.

      Well, between the title and this casting, that definitly means this is tied to WHook then, probably tied with Alice as well. I'm kind of annoyed they went with another actual person pirate again though, when we have plenty of actual fictional characters they can use. I do like the look of the actor for the role though, so that's a plus.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      JennaMae wrote:
      IMDB lists Chad Rook as "Captain Kidd." He confirmed on Instagram that he booked a role on OUAT 3 days ago. https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbh9GllDTap/

      Captain William Kidd was a famous real-life pirate.

      Well, between the title and this casting, that definitly means this is tied to WHook then, probably tied with Alice as well. I'm kind of annoyed they went with another actual person pirate again though, when we have plenty of actual fictional characters they can use. I do like the look of the actor for the role though, so that's a plus.

      So this is the third Wish Hook centric episode of this season so far. I thought out of all of the returning characters they would capitalize on Regina with the most episodes.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:

      So this is the third Wish Hook centric episode of this season so far. I thought out of all of the returning characters they would capitalize on Regina with the most episodes.

      It *should* be Alice's. (I hope?) Because as of 7x13, I think she might be the only main or major recurring character to not have gotten a backstory episode yet. And this is the first with a title that could obviously apply to her. (7x09 is Tremaine's, 7x11 is likely Gothel's based on info from 7x07, Drizella shared 7x06 with Regina)

      I believe Regina has gotten the most consistent screentime across S7 episodes though. I think that's better getting a full centric or 2 and getting very little in the other episodes. For example, we're almost at midseason and I'm wondering when we'll start seeing Rumple actively progressing along in his own storyline. At least Regina's on the move now! 

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    • I bet this is Alice's escape from the tower/how the tower was destroyed.

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    • I don't exactly know what this title might refer to, but "Knightfall" has two meanings in Star Wars that come to mind. It is the name of the operation in which Darth Vader slew every Jedi in the Temple near the end of Revenge of the Sith. And it is also the name of a canceled trilogy in the New Jedi Order series that was to focus of Danni Quee, but was ultimately replaced with Anakin Solo-centric Edge of Victory duology.

      I sincerely doubt that this is what the writers are thinking of when they named this episode, but it doesn't change the fact that Star Wars is the first thing that comes to mind when I hear the term "knightfall."

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    • Chad Rook joined the casting for this episode. He was a recurring one on Timeless, Siren and appeared on The Flash, Izombie, etc... A guest star ^^

      https://twitter.com/ChadRook/status/931288448295505920

      According to IMDB, he is playing Captain Kidd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kidd

      So... Another Hook-centric? The third one already.

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    • I think it's more likely to be an Alice centric, but someone playing a pirate would make sense since the episode could also likely focus on Killian. My best guess for what happens is that we learn how Alice escaped the tower.

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    • Alex Kidd reference?

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    • MBrody wrote:
      I don't exactly know what this title might refer to, but "Knightfall" has two meanings in Star Wars that come to mind. It is the name of the operation in which Darth Vader slew every Jedi in the Temple near the end of Revenge of the Sith. And it is also the name of a canceled trilogy in the New Jedi Order series that was to focus of Danni Quee, but was ultimately replaced with Anakin Solo-centric Edge of Victory duology.

      I sincerely doubt that this is what the writers are thinking of when they named this episode, but it doesn't change the fact that Star Wars is the first thing that comes to mind when I hear the term "knightfall."

      Maybe how Jaberowcky killed Jacinda's mom and others? Execute order 66

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    • So. IMDB changed the role for Chad Rook. Apparently, he is not playing Captain Kidd but Captain Ahab

      https://twitter.com/UponASpoiler/status/933423723356438528

      So.... Moby Dick episode? :P

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    • Guess he's the Captain that's chasing some creature in NEF. Wouldn't be surprise is the whale isn't actually a nickname for Rumple (or this realm's version, lol).

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    • I could see Captain Ahab being in Wonderland, or maybe trying to get to Wonderland. Maybe the Jabberwock that killed Cecelia is his Moby Dick? He could have climbed the tower after hearing the same rumor as Wevil Wqueen and Whook, helps free Alice, then Alice accompanies him to Wonderland in hopes of stopping the poison in her father's heart. In the end, Ahab and Cecelia are both killed by the Jabberwock.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I could see Captain Ahab being in Wonderland, or maybe trying to get to Wonderland. Maybe the Jabberwock that killed Cecelia is his Moby Dick? He could have climbed the tower after hearing the same rumor as Wevil Wqueen and Whook, helps free Alice, then Alice accompanies him to Wonderland in hopes of stopping the poison in her father's heart. In the end, Ahab and Cecelia are both killed by the Jabberwock.

      That's really clever! (Though having a whale be a Jabberwock and vice versa seems pretty hilarious).

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I could see Captain Ahab being in Wonderland, or maybe trying to get to Wonderland. Maybe the Jabberwock that killed Cecelia is his Moby Dick? He could have climbed the tower after hearing the same rumor as Wevil Wqueen and Whook, helps free Alice, then Alice accompanies him to Wonderland in hopes of stopping the poison in her father's heart. In the end, Ahab and Cecelia are both killed by the Jabberwock.


      I... actually love this idea. Wow, that would be so cool!

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      So. IMDB changed the role for Chad Rook. Apparently, he is not playing Captain Kidd but Captain Ahab

      https://twitter.com/UponASpoiler/status/933423723356438528

      So.... Moby Dick episode? :P

      Well, better Ahab than Kidd, at least Ahab is fictional.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I could see Captain Ahab being in Wonderland, or maybe trying to get to Wonderland. Maybe the Jabberwock that killed Cecelia is his Moby Dick? He could have climbed the tower after hearing the same rumor as Wevil Wqueen and Whook, helps free Alice, then Alice accompanies him to Wonderland in hopes of stopping the poison in her father's heart. In the end, Ahab and Cecelia are both killed by the Jabberwock.

      That works. What type of monster the Jabberwock is is never actually defined in the poem, so it could be a demon whale.

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    • It's not Alice's. Episode 10, "The Eight Witch" is Alice's, A&E confirmed it.

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    • Truest Believer wrote:
      It's not Alice's. Episode 10, "The Eight Witch" is Alice's, A&E confirmed it.

      Er.... no?

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    • While it's not a rule, let's backup our claims as it's disingenious and will be removed. 

      Plus, that's hardly meaningful to 7x13 as there can be multiple centrics for one character. I also am sure A & E said more about Alice in the second half.

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    • It's not like 710 being Alice's would rule out this one being Alice's anyway. Cindy has got 701 (shared with Henry), 703, and 708 (shared with Alice) and will appear in a fairly major capacity in 709 (probably like Snow in The Stable Boy). Granted, Alice is a recurring character, but it's pretty clear that she's very important to the plot (being involved in what will supposedly be a very major LGBT storyline, the daughter of one of our main characters, and possibly the Guardian), so having two or three centrics close together -- especially when 708 was shared with Cindy and 710, if it's an Alice-centric at all, also appears to be fairly ensemble-based -- isn't unreasonable.

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    • Here we go! They start this episode today!

      Colin & Emma on set!

      https://ouat-es.tumblr.com/post/167945261554/via-emma-booths-instagram-story

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    • Robin Givens back on set today. https://www.instagram.com/p/BcBQJ7Wg2qj/

      Back in the EF with Tiana, Henry, Ella, and Regina. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Robin Givens back on set today. https://www.instagram.com/p/BcBQJ7Wg2qj/

      Back in the EF with Tiana, Henry, Ella, and Regina. 

      Are we sure Eudora and Regina didn't switched outfits?

      Maybe this is more "#RESIST" stuff

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    • I like the new costumes, but I also miss Eduardo Castro’s.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      Robin Givens back on set today. https://www.instagram.com/p/BcBQJ7Wg2qj/Back in the EF with Tiana, Henry, Ella, and Regina. 
      Are we sure Eudora and Regina didn't switched outfits?

      Maybe this is more "#RESIST" stuff

      Agree. And even the hairstyle

      Regina's hair looks exactly like Eudora's does in the movie

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    • Wait... Eudora is back in the episode after Tiana's second centric???

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Robin Givens back on set today. https://www.instagram.com/p/BcBQJ7Wg2qj/

      Back in the EF with Tiana, Henry, Ella, and Regina. 

      Are we sure this wouldn't be for 212, since that appears to be Tiana centric?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      Robin Givens back on set today. https://www.instagram.com/p/BcBQJ7Wg2qj/Back in the EF with Tiana, Henry, Ella, and Regina. 
      Are we sure this wouldn't be for 212, since that appears to be Tiana centric?

      I mean, we can never be sure, but I'm inclined to think they wrapped 7x12 before the break. That last Friday was already an "extra" day. 

      For all we know, Eudora could've also been in 7x12. The actress is in town regularly for Riverdale, so OUAT could conveniently get her in their studio any time she's free without any major effort on her part. And Sabine has mentioned having a mother in HH, which I assume is cursed Eudora, so if this is a general NEF flashback with the whole group, it wouldn't really be unusual for her to appear outside of Tiana centrics.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      Robin Givens back on set today. https://www.instagram.com/p/BcBQJ7Wg2qj/Back in the EF with Tiana, Henry, Ella, and Regina. 
      Are we sure this wouldn't be for 212, since that appears to be Tiana centric?
      I mean, we can never be sure, but I'm inclined to think they wrapped 7x12 before the break. That last Friday was already an "extra" day. 

      For all we know, Eudora could've also been in 7x12. The actress is in town regularly for Riverdale, so OUAT could conveniently get her in their studio any time she's free without any major effort on her part. And Sabine has mentioned having a mother in HH, which I assume is cursed Eudora, so if this is a general NEF flashback with the whole group, it wouldn't really be unusual for her to appear outside of Tiana centrics.


      Easy. For some reasons, the group moved to Eudora's palace.

      She prolly appears in 712. Would be weird to have her in 713, and not in the Tiana centric

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    • Now that 714 is almost definitely Alice, any other theories on what this episode would be about?

      Based on the Eudora picture, I imagine it will feature the Resistance. Tiana is probably ruled out because her centric is 712. That leaves Henry, Cindy, Regina, Whook, and Jack. Maybe Rumple. I don't think he's part of the Resistance, but he's at least present concurrently and could interact with them.

      Captain Ahab/Kidd definitely seems to fit Whook... but maybe it could be Jack or Rumple? Rumple is already a crocodile; maybe he could be a whale, too.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Now that 714 is almost definitely Alice, any other theories on what this episode would be about?

      Based on the Eudora picture, I imagine it will feature the Resistance. Tiana is probably ruled out because her centric is 712. That leaves Henry, Cindy, Regina, Whook, and Jack. Maybe Rumple. I don't think he's part of the Resistance, but he's at least present concurrently and could interact with them.

      Captain Ahab/Kidd definitely seems to fit Whook... but maybe it could be Jack or Rumple? Rumple is already a crocodile; maybe he could be a whale, too.

      Between Ahab and the title refering to a knight (which is WHook's chess piece to Alice), I think this has to be WHook centric. Could be with someone else, but it should be at least partially his.

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    • Tiera is back on set today and her costume looks very FTL-like. (her instagram story)

      https://ouat-es.tumblr.com/post/168280404620/via-tiera-scovbyes-instagram-story

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    • I wonder what exactly the FB in this episode will cover, it seems like it could be a lot of different things.

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    • I was thinking

      Don't we need a Henry-centric episode?

      They have to explain why he wasn't in HH in 7x01

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I was thinking

      Don't we need a Henry-centric episode?

      They have to explain why he wasn't in HH in 7x01

      That's probably related to him and Lucy being alone in 621/622 and will be further explained in 710.

      I don't think Henry needs a centric yet. We already know most of his backstory and he doesn't require as much character development as the others. As long as he continues to appear in the Resistance backstories with the other cast, I'm fine with it.

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    • I beg to differ. Henry as our quasi-Emma/Snow needs more time lest he drift into irrelevancy.

      I almost feel like we've seen more importance on the old villains and the new villains and our new heroes are...around.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I wonder what exactly the FB in this episode will cover, it seems like it could be a lot of different things.

      Chad Rook over on Twitter has heavily suggested that the flashbacks involve Captain Ahab and Hook, in a not so friendly encounter. He has also recently followed Chris Gauthier on instagram.

      The title by itself had me thinking it could be when Hook gets inflicted with the Curse of the Poisoned Heart (knightfall....fall of a knight...fall of Hook...) but I'm not sure what Ahab would have to do with it. Seems like it'd be really random for him to be the guest-star-of-the-episode in the "Hook and Alice get cursed" flashback episode though. I was thinking Gothel just came back to the tower later and cursed them, which would be probably be enough for an episode's flashbacks alone without adding in Ahab. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I wonder what exactly the FB in this episode will cover, it seems like it could be a lot of different things.
      Chad Rook over on Twitter has heavily suggested that the flashbacks involve Captain Ahab and Hook, in a not so friendly encounter. He has also recently followed Chris Gauthier on instagram.

      The title by itself had me thinking it could be when Hook gets inflicted with the Curse of the Poisoned Heart (knightfall....fall of a knight...fall of Hook...) but I'm not sure what Ahab would have to do with it. Seems like it'd be really random for him to be the guest-star-of-the-episode in the "Hook and Alice get cursed" flashback episode though. I was thinking Gothel just came back to the tower later and cursed them, which would be probably be enough for an episode's flashbacks alone without adding in Ahab. 

      Gonna say this again, I doubt Gothel cursed them. It was probably Tremaine. Gothel has absolutely no reason to care what Hook and Alice are up to now that she's free from the tower. Tremaine, however, would be very upset to learn that Gothel, who has threatened her and her precious daughter, is free. And we now know just how vindictive she can be. Plus, she still has that mushroom laying around somewhere, I'm sure.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote: 

      Gonna say this again, I doubt Gothel cursed them. It was probably Tremaine. Gothel has absolutely no reason to care what Hook and Alice are up to now that she's free from the tower. Tremaine, however, would be very upset to learn that Gothel, who has threatened her and her precious daughter, is free. And we now know just how vindictive she can be. Plus, she still has that mushroom laying around somewhere, I'm sure.

      Well, there are theories going around that Alice could be the guardian people are looking for..... Gothel's search for it could lead her back to the tower if that's the case. And Gothel also seems to be present for all of the 7x14 days so far, so there will be something coming up with her and Alice, for whatever reason. 

      I've also said this before, but I would think that Wish Hook would've been more angry than flirty in 7x02 towards Tremaine if she had cursed him.

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      DatNuttyKid wrote: 

      Gonna say this again, I doubt Gothel cursed them. It was probably Tremaine. Gothel has absolutely no reason to care what Hook and Alice are up to now that she's free from the tower. Tremaine, however, would be very upset to learn that Gothel, who has threatened her and her precious daughter, is free. And we now know just how vindictive she can be. Plus, she still has that mushroom laying around somewhere, I'm sure.

      Well, there are theories going around that Alice could be the guardian people are looking for..... Gothel's search for it could lead her back to the tower if that's the case. And Gothel also seems to be present for all of the 7x14 days so far, so there will be something coming up with her and Alice, for whatever reason. 

      I've also said this before, but I would think that Wish Hook would've been more angry than flirty in 7x02 towards Tremaine if she had cursed him.

      I feel like Tremaine cursing him is likely due to the circumstances, but I agree that the events in 702 don’t add up, and it’s yet to be said if the mushroom can be used again.

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    • This is gonna be Tiana's, Eudora is on the credits of the episode, and it's time to have the second Tiana centric. 

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    • Truest Believer wrote:
      This is gonna be Tiana's, Eudora is on the credits of the episode, and it's time to have the second Tiana centric. 

      The second Tiana-centric is 712

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    • This episode should be something with Wish Hook, right? I feel like there is still another significant part to this we haven't figured out yet. Maybe introducing a coven witch?

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    • I this episode will show Alice's life in the tower and Wish Hook's attempts to free her from it and how his heart got poisoned.

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    • Okay, so I think in this episode we're going to see a knight killed off (Hook, Alice's knight?  But then colin donohue is still due to appear in the next episode I'm sure so will it be a flashback?  A coma?) or a knight's fall from grace.  But who could that be?  What knightly character have we seen?

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    • 714 is Alice and Robin, so this will center largely around Hook as I doubt they would give a major role to a supporting character in two flashbacks that are consecutive.

      This will probably be about Wish Hook raising Alice while having troubles of his own involving other pirates/sea captains, perhaps...? It will likely end with his heart being cursed by Tremaine, or by another pirate wanting revenge.

      In the present-day events maybe Alice regains her memories (again) and tries to find a cure to The Curse of the Poisoned Heart before the curse breaks, which is only a matter of time considering how close Jacinda, Henry, and Lucy have become.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:
      714 is Alice and Robin, so this will center largely around Hook as I doubt they would give a major role to a supporting character in two flashbacks that are consecutive.

      This will probably be about Wish Hook raising Alice while having troubles of his own involving other pirates/sea captains, perhaps...? It will likely end with his heart being cursed by Tremaine, or by another pirate wanting revenge.

      In the present-day events maybe Alice regains her memories (again) and tries to find a cure to The Curse of the Poisoned Heart before the curse breaks, which is only a matter of time considering how close Jacinda, Henry, and Lucy have become.

      Personally at this point I think the curse would have already been broken.

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    • Moby Dick seems like it is totally happening. Besides Chad Rook as Ahab, IMDB is not listing this actor as First Mate Starbuck:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7709259/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t12

      Here's a picture of him:

      http://buffalorainsnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Ian-Nsenga.jpg

      And here you can read info about the character of Starbuck (and all the other Moby Dick characters):

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Moby-Dick_characters

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Moby Dick seems like it is totally happening. Besides Chad Rook as Ahab, IMDB is not listing this actor as First Mate Starbuck:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7709259/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t12

      Here's a picture of him:

      http://buffalorainsnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Ian-Nsenga.jpg

      And here you can read info about the character of Starbuck (and all the other Moby Dick characters):

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Moby-Dick_characters

      Okay... So I would have to think one of the Coven of the Eight is a character from Moby Dick. Perhaps a human version of Moby? Maybe Captain Ahab is a witch hunter instead of a whaling captain.

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    • I think we’re about to fall off a cliff with all these “shapeshifter Coven members”!

      Moby Dick as a female name? Well, it’s funny for sure! I think they are going to mix this with another tale.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Moby Dick seems like it is totally happening. Besides Chad Rook as Ahab, IMDB is not listing this actor as First Mate Starbuck:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7709259/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t12

      Here's a picture of him:

      http://buffalorainsnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Ian-Nsenga.jpg

      And here you can read info about the character of Starbuck (and all the other Moby Dick characters):

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Moby-Dick_characters

      Okay... So I would have to think one of the Coven of the Eight is a character from Moby Dick. Perhaps a human version of Moby? Maybe Captain Ahab is a witch hunter instead of a whaling captain.

      Either Moby Dick is a shapeshifting witch (which could work easily enough, she could even be someone like Mad Madam Mim), or a gender-bent Ishmael could be the witch, as Ishmael is the only character who survives in Moby Dick.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Moby Dick seems like it is totally happening. Besides Chad Rook as Ahab, IMDB is not listing this actor as First Mate Starbuck:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7709259/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t12

      Here's a picture of him:

      http://buffalorainsnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Ian-Nsenga.jpg

      And here you can read info about the character of Starbuck (and all the other Moby Dick characters):

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Moby-Dick_characters

      Okay... So I would have to think one of the Coven of the Eight is a character from Moby Dick. Perhaps a human version of Moby? Maybe Captain Ahab is a witch hunter instead of a whaling captain.

      I love this idea! I also like CDA’s theory that Madam Mim is Moby Dick, she was able to shapeshift in the Disney movie.

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    • Damn. Why don't they use Sinbad and a Agrabah sorceress. Hook centric is the last chance for them to use this iconic sailor.

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    • Xtian MadHatter wrote:
      Damn. Why don't they use Sinbad and a Agrabah sorceress. Hook centric is the last chance for them to use this iconic sailor.

      Well, they did name drop that Jack was in Agrabah, so maybe these characters will still show up.

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    • You know what I just realized, the witch could also be like Cruella, and be able to control animals, and so she is manipulating Moby Dick for some reason.

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    • Another thought I just had: the witch could be Yzma, as her main thing in the movie was having vials of magic that turned people into animals. Which would mean Moby is someone who was transformed into a whale, I guess.

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    • Maybe Zelena and Regina go to Storybrooke for help and interact with the original Hook (as that is his police car seen in 6x22).

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    • TheRose123 wrote:

      Maybe Zelena and Regina go to Storybrooke for help and interact with the original Hook (as that is his police car seen in 6x22).

      I don't exactly know what episode the Swan bug is in, but it is quite possible it might have been set and used for a different episode earlier.
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    • TIAB1234 wrote: I don't exactly know what episode the Swan bug is in, but it is quite possible it might have been set and used for a different episode earlier.

      These were posted during the 7x14 days. Close enough to 7x13 but the posts about it were from multiple days, so I feel like it might just be for the episode after. 

      If I were to guess, I would guess that it isn't actually Emma's bug, but perhaps a random one that sparks something in Henry as a C plot. They are free to go back to Storybrooke anytime though, lol.

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    • This episode seems so random, the title (and the Moby Dick related guest stars), makes me think this would be a WHook episode, but I'm not sure how that ties into everything else that is going on.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      TIAB1234 wrote: I don't exactly know what episode the Swan bug is in, but it is quite possible it might have been set and used for a different episode earlier.

      These were posted during the 7x14 days. Close enough to 7x13 but the posts about it were from multiple days, so I feel like it might just be for the episode after. 

      If I were to guess, I would guess that it isn't actually Emma's bug, but perhaps a random one that sparks something in Henry as a C plot. They are free to go back to Storybrooke anytime though, lol.



      No it has the same license plates as Emma's

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    • Killiarious wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:

      These were posted during the 7x14 days. Close enough to 7x13 but the posts about it were from multiple days, so I feel like it might just be for the episode after. 

      If I were to guess, I would guess that it isn't actually Emma's bug, but perhaps a random one that sparks something in Henry as a C plot. They are free to go back to Storybrooke anytime though, lol.

      No it has the same license plates as Emma's

      Oh, really? Well that makes it more intriguing. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Killiarious wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:

      These were posted during the 7x14 days. Close enough to 7x13 but the posts about it were from multiple days, so I feel like it might just be for the episode after. 

      If I were to guess, I would guess that it isn't actually Emma's bug, but perhaps a random one that sparks something in Henry as a C plot. They are free to go back to Storybrooke anytime though, lol.

      No it has the same license plates as Emma's

      Oh, really? Well that makes it more intriguing. 

      It is worth noting that Regina's Car, Archie's Car, and Jim's Car all had the same license plates, too.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      Killiarious wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:

      These were posted during the 7x14 days. Close enough to 7x13 but the posts about it were from multiple days, so I feel like it might just be for the episode after. 

      If I were to guess, I would guess that it isn't actually Emma's bug, but perhaps a random one that sparks something in Henry as a C plot. They are free to go back to Storybrooke anytime though, lol.

      No it has the same license plates as Emma's

      Oh, really? Well that makes it more intriguing. 

      It is worth noting that Regina's Car, Archie's Car, and Jim's Car all had the same license plates, too.

      Who's Jim?

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    • Emillian Swanones wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      Killiarious wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:

      These were posted during the 7x14 days. Close enough to 7x13 but the posts about it were from multiple days, so I feel like it might just be for the episode after. 

      If I were to guess, I would guess that it isn't actually Emma's bug, but perhaps a random one that sparks something in Henry as a C plot. They are free to go back to Storybrooke anytime though, lol.

      No it has the same license plates as Emma's

      Oh, really? Well that makes it more intriguing. 

      It is worth noting that Regina's Car, Archie's Car, and Jim's Car all had the same license plates, too.

      Who's Jim?

      Jim.

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    • Not that we really had a reason to doubt, but Chad Rook posted this recently, which basically more or less confirms he's Captain Ahab in a Hook/WHook centric:

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BeNzJm4Dmco/

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    • Meh, another Hook episode, who already got 7x02, 7x07 and will get 7x16 shared with Henry. 4 episodes is a bit too much, I think. I just wanted a Henry and/or Jack episode, since Henry is currently getting a crappy treatment despite being the protagonist, and Jack is pointless, while all the focus is on Hook. I thought Knightfall would have something to do with them, since Henry and Jack are basically knights/warriors.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Meh, another Hook episode, who already got 7x02, 7x07 and will get 7x16 shared with Henry. 4 episodes is a bit too much, I think. I just wanted a Henry and/or Jack episode, since Henry is currently getting a crappy treatment despite being the protagonist, and Jack is pointless, while all the focus is on Hook. I thought Knightfall would have something to do with them, since Henry and Jack are basically knights/warriors.

      I don't know that I would classify Henry or Jack as knights. Sure they know how to use a sword, but that's about it. Besides, WHook's chess piece is the knight, so that explains the title.
      ​​​​​​

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    • And Chad Rook confirms he is playing Ahab. Get ready for Moby Dick!

      https://twitter.com/ChadRook/status/961287775797391360

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    • Are people excited to see how they tell the Moby Dick story? I know it isn't a fairy tale per say, so I'm not sure how many people know the story.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Are people excited to see how they tell the Moby Dick story? I know it isn't a fairy tale per say, so I'm not sure how many people know the story.

      Nope

      Acutally I think this will be as bad as Dark Waters

      A love Hook, but I hate these ridiculous Hook flashbacks forced into the storyline

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    • I think Hook is an interesting character for the most part, like every character. But this is imitation Hook in the hands of “meh” writing centrics.

      On one hand, we won’t have Hook dealing with Secrets and Lies; however, Hook has taken a large chunk of the story (along with Regina and Rumple) and in Hook’s case, it is a matter of “Why do I care about “this” Hook? He’d be better off if he was just Killain Jones, the sailor man and even more differences between the two.

      Anyway, there will be swashbuckling fun, but the focus shouldn’t be on Hook but rather Hook’s condition and said interactions with Gothel, etc. probably won’t touch the Gothel situation or give much on the way of “poisoned heart”, but it’s just an idea.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Anyway, there will be swashbuckling fun, but the focus shouldn’t be on Hook but rather Hook’s condition and said interactions with Gothel, etc. probably won’t touch the Gothel situation or give much on the way of “poisoned heart”, but it’s just an idea.

      Yeah, I don't expect them to be delving much into Hook/Alice's curse in the EF in 7B. Alice is getting the storyline with Robin, and if she's the Guardian, she'll have that as well. Knowing how the writers tend to be bad at resolving storylines they set up early, I see them quickly resolving the poisoned hearts at the end and that'll be that. 

      However, I do recall that Rose posted about a young actress (Elle Mckinnon) who's likely to be playing young Alice in either 7x13 or 7x14. If 7x14 is being touted as the Alice/Robin episode, I'd say a young Alice is more likely to appear with Hook in 7x13. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Anyway, there will be swashbuckling fun, but the focus shouldn’t be on Hook but rather Hook’s condition and said interactions with Gothel, etc. probably won’t touch the Gothel situation or give much on the way of “poisoned heart”, but it’s just an idea.

      Yeah, I don't expect them to be delving much into Hook/Alice's curse in the EF in 7B. Alice is getting the storyline with Robin, and if she's the Guardian, she'll have that as well. Knowing how the writers tend to be bad at resolving storylines they set up early, I see them quickly resolving the poisoned hearts at the end and that'll be that. 

      However, I do recall that Rose posted about a young actress (Elle Mckinnon) who's likely to be playing young Alice in either 7x13 or 7x14. If 7x14 is being touted as the Alice/Robin episode, I'd say a young Alice is more likely to appear with Hook in 7x13. 

      Yeah, I'd be shocked if we don't see Young Alice and WHook in this episode, it is Knightfall after all, and we know WHook is Alice's "knight".

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    • Chad Rook teasing a non-Moby Dick storyline for Ahab.<be>https://twitter.com/ChadRook/status/967126199443927040

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    • JennaMae wrote: Chad Rook teasing a non-Moby Dick storyline for Ahab.<be>https://twitter.com/ChadRook/status/967126199443927040

      Well, it better be good, because we don’t need a pirate in name only.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Chad Rook teasing a non-Moby Dick storyline for Ahab.<be>https://twitter.com/ChadRook/status/967126199443927040

      Ugh, I hope he just means this isn't the traditional telling of the Moby Dick story. I'm going to be annoyed if they do the Moby Dick characters without, you know, Moby Dick. XD


      At worst, they better at least mention Moby Dick (like "I don't have time for this, Hook, I have a whale I need to kill.")

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    • Trying to figure out FBs. I think this one will be WHook doing something and running into Ahab over the 8 years Drizella is frozen.

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    • Note that we have Jerome (sometimes standalone, usually with Jane) is with Raya (who is new to the writer's credit. Hope it's strong, so its a plus for his resume. Chances are it might fall a bit generic like Greenbacks due to the amount of info and the lack of appearing important it has.

      This is better off being a Young WHook doing some exploring the realms, looking for love, etc. Perhaps two part, the distant past and the recent past, to solve the Wish Realm issue.

      Or...it could just resolve the King and Tremaine war (which they really don't have time for..unless it is discussed in 7x12).

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    • Based on the promo, it looks like Smee is in thie episode. The guy next to him is First Mate Starbuck, according to IMDB. Hook is dueling Ahab obviously.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: Based on the promo, it looks like Smee is in thie episode. The guy next to him is First Mate Starbuck, according to IMDB. Hook is dueling Ahab obviously.

      So...bromance at first shot?

      I wonder if this is “pre-curse”. It’ll add to the Wish Realm debate.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: Based on the promo, it looks like Smee is in thie episode. The guy next to him is First Mate Starbuck, according to IMDB. Hook is dueling Ahab obviously.

      So...bromance at first shot?

      I wonder if this is “pre-curse”. It’ll add to the Wish Realm debate.

      I'm pretty sure the duel happens post-Alice since Whook has gray in his hair, although appearantly Smee didn't age at all.

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    • Calibaz wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: Based on the promo, it looks like Smee is in thie episode. The guy next to him is First Mate Starbuck, according to IMDB. Hook is dueling Ahab obviously.

      So...bromance at first shot?

      I wonder if this is “pre-curse”. It’ll add to the Wish Realm debate.

      I'm pretty sure the duel happens post-Alice since Whook has gray in his hair, although appearantly Smee didn't age at all.

      The some characters aging and some not aging seems to be a recurring problem with the Wish Realm that I don't think will ever get solved.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:The some characters aging and some not aging seems to be a recurring problem with the Wish Realm that I don't think will ever get solved.

      The thing with some characters aging and some not aging is a recurring problem with season 7 as a whole. Not just for the Wish Realm.

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    • Calibaz wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:The some characters aging and some not aging seems to be a recurring problem with the Wish Realm that I don't think will ever get solved.
      The thing with some characters aging and some not aging is a recurring problem with season 7 as a whole. Not just for the Wish Realm.

      Very true. I get Lana and Bex didn't want to dress like grannies the whole season, but at the very least they could have explained they are using anti-aging magic or something.

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    • Does Nook have grey in his hair? I thought that was the lighting. Maybe Hook just ages very poorly. After all, Belle was like 30 something with a strand of grey hair (unless Belle was older than we thought.) Belle had a long strand when she was essentially Skin Deep plus 16 (6 years uncursed + Gideon).

      I would say perhaps NFTL has faster timeflow, but that really doesn’t explain much, unless Drizella was like 37 before stoning (Drizzy was around 12 when Alice was roughly born.)

      The other anomaly are the Mills. I agree with CDA. Even with a conversative estimate that Snow was 22 and Regina was 30 at the strike of the Dark Curse, Regina would be at least 38 at Henry’s departure and even if the same year entering NFTL, would be 47 at Lucy’s 8th birthday. Zelena would be 48/49, as she entered about a year later.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      I would say perhaps NFTL has faster timeflow, but that really doesn’t explain much, unless Drizella was like 37 before stoning (Drizzy was around 12 when Alice was roughly born.)

      That isn't the NFTL. It's the Wish Realm. WHook was already an old man when we first met him. So, this happened between his flashback in 7x07 and the first time we saw him in 6x11

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      I would say perhaps NFTL has faster timeflow, but that really doesn’t explain much, unless Drizella was like 37 before stoning (Drizzy was around 12 when Alice was roughly born.)

      That isn't the NFTL. It's the Wish Realm. WHook was already an old man when we first met him. So, this happened between his flashback in 7x07 and the first time we saw him in 6x11

      What I meant was Nook aged while with Alice in NFTL.

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    • Maui’s fishhook. They’re doing Moana?!

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    • They did make a direct Moana reference. That means her story is part of this universe. I wonder where in the timeline this takes place. Alice is around 10, but her aging doesn't make any sense anyway. Maybe this episode will explain that. Hook and his crew all look the same age and it is implied that they were all in the EF during the time the curse would have happened, so this was probably before the curse or early on during the (would have been) curse. This means Alice would have to have aged faster than everyone else. Rumpel is still in his cell, so we know this takes place before 6X10. I want to know if the curse had any affect on the NEF.

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    • The fishhook reference is probably going to be more of a Polynesian Myth reference (which the writers know about because of Moana, but it still comes from the myths). The bigger story we will see is Moby Dick as we are getting Ahab and Starbuck.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: The fishhook reference is probably going to be more of a Polynesian Myth reference (which the writers know about because of Moana, but it still comes from the myths). The bigger story we will see is Moby Dick as we are getting Ahab and Starbuck.

      Now I’m craving a Frappuccino, lol.

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    • I'm thinking Moby Dick might actually be a witch.

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    • I'm really excited about seeing Alice's life in the tower and Killian/Nook dueling Captain Ahab to free her. I'm not really excited about Gothel throwing him out of the tower, though. I think that this will be the episode where Gothel curses his heart and I think the clip shown at the end will be part of it.

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    • Hold up, it's called Knightfall because Killian, the Knight to Alice's Rook, falls out of the tower! 

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    • Wish Hook said that he used to sneak into the tower to place chess with his daughter. So, most of the episode will probably be Hook going on an adventure to free Alice from the tower, but ultimately failing. When he come back to Alice, he gets thrown out by Gothel. The end of the episode will have him sneaking into the tower and caught by Gothel, ending with his heart posioned.

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    • Calibaz wrote:
      Wish Hook said that he used to sneak into the tower to place chess with his daughter. So, most of the episode will probably be Hook going on an adventure to free Alice from the tower, but ultimately failing. When he come back to Alice, he gets thrown out by Gothel. The end of the episode will have him sneaking into the tower and caught by Gothel, ending with his heart posioned.

      Pretty much

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    • Well color me shocked but this episode looks great. 

      Nook visited Rumple when he was a prisoner? Interesting! 

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Does Nook have grey in his hair? I thought that was the lighting. Maybe Hook just ages very poorly. After all, Belle was like 30 something with a strand of grey hair (unless Belle was older than we thought.) Belle had a long strand when she was essentially Skin Deep plus 16 (6 years uncursed + Gideon).

      I would say perhaps NFTL has faster timeflow, but that really doesn’t explain much, unless Drizella was like 37 before stoning (Drizzy was around 12 when Alice was roughly born.)

      The other anomaly are the Mills. I agree with CDA. Even with a conversative estimate that Snow was 22 and Regina was 30 at the strike of the Dark Curse, Regina would be at least 38 at Henry’s departure and even if the same year entering NFTL, would be 47 at Lucy’s 8th birthday. Zelena would be 48/49, as she entered about a year later.

      If Regina was 30 when she cast the curse, she must be 58 in season 1, but she didn't age because the time in Storybrooke was stopped until Emma arrived. 

      But when the time started to flow, it would be really stupid if Regina and all other Storybrooke inhabitants aged 28 years in a second. That would cause a disaster, many on them would probably die because of old age.

      Henry's 10 in Season 1, so, if he's 18 when he leaves Storybrooke, then Regina would be 66. And all that with Henry growing up probably happens in like a day or two in Land Without Magic because time obviously flows diffferently in the NEF.

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    • So...there's a lot of worldbuilding implications...

      NFTL seems to run parallel with FTL, as Regina knows Facilier (unless he's from another realm). Otherwise, he'd age much quicker than her (thought, technically, he was kinda dead or "trapped between two worlds".

      Nook aged and Alice aged, which makes sense because it's be about ten or so years post Ana's perservation. I guess Hook plays with Alice as he does and then goes back to WR to W!Rumple who would be imprisoned and he tells Nook to go after Maui's fishhook from Ahab.

      Nook probably suceeds with getting the hook, not not before Gothel knocks Nook out of the tower. 

      WR appears to be slow compared to NFTL, but that could just be due to Smee's age being unknown.

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    • I'm so frickin' ecstatic. There's a reference to frickin' Moana in the next episode. Maui's fish hook. Thank you Producers! *does dance of excitement.*

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    • Don't care about Moana, I have yet to see the movie, but I like that Alice, Gothel and Drizella are in the episode! I hope Samdi is in too because they just can't not follow up on that immediately... after what happened at the end of last episode.

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    • I’ve got it! Captain Smee and crew found the fountain of youth, which was actually a goblet, then some thieves stole it from him.

      That will explain Smee’s lack of aging as well as Wish Robin and Wish Sheriff.

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    • And looks like Ivy actually likes Henry (unless that’s just grief). Come on, Henry! The saying goes that “you marry your mother” and Ivy is practically that!

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    • I think it might just be grief that's making her do it. I wonder if Jacinda sees them kissing and gets the wrong idea (I don't see Henry just randomly deciding to kiss Ivy), so she goes to Nick.

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    • I really didn't think they would follow up on Henry and Drizella, this season keeps surprising me.

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    • I also think it's grief but WHO CARES, IT'S HENVY. I LOVE IT. 

      I want them together so much.

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    • I just hope he pushes her. Sorry, you don't kiss someone moments after you wanted to kiss the girl you like. If they go further with it, it will just ruin Henry's character for me.

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    • Taranee94 wrote:
      I just hope he pushes her. Sorry, you don't kiss someone moments after you wanted to kiss the girl you like. If they go further with it, it will just ruin Henry's character for me.

      To be fair, he is cursed.

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      Taranee94 wrote:
      I just hope he pushes her. Sorry, you don't kiss someone moments after you wanted to kiss the girl you like. If they go further with it, it will just ruin Henry's character for me.
      To be fair, he is cursed.

      He probably will push her, but I still think it'll be a hell of a kiss. xD

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    • Do you have any theories about Facilier? We know Regina and him met before the first curse, so he's probably from the Real Enchanted Forest. He remembers me to Sydney. 

      Maybe he's the Magic Mirror/Facilier/Genie from the NFTL

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    • Truest Believer wrote:
      Do you have any theories about Facilier? We know Regina and him met before the first curse, so he's probably from the Real Enchanted Forest. He remembers me to Sydney. 

      Maybe he's the Magic Mirror/Facilier/Genie from the NFTL

      Let's not get off-topic. We don't even know if he's appearing in this episode.

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    • In the beggining when this episode's info came out this was the episode of Season 7 that i was less excited. But now, after this hell-of-a-trailer, i'm SO EXCITED! 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      In the beggining when this episode's info came out this was the episode of Season 7 that i was less excited. But now, after this hell-of-a-trailer, i'm SO EXCITED! 

      SAME! I'm so excited for the Henvy kiss.

      I just hope it's not in the episode after Knightfall, like they did with WR Hook with a gun in the promo for 7x12.

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    • The Great Sorcerer wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      In the beggining when this episode's info came out this was the episode of Season 7 that i was less excited. But now, after this hell-of-a-trailer, i'm SO EXCITED! 
      SAME! I'm so excited for the Henvy kiss.

      I just hope it's not in the episode after Knightfall, like they did with WR Hook with a gun in the promo for 7x12.

      I think 7x12 promo covered 7x12 and 7x13 only. Alice blowing the candle is prolly 7x13 too, and 7x14 is a sequel to 7x13 with Alice escaping the tower.

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    • W!Rumple is back! I'm glad we'll get to see Dark One Rumple once again before the show ends!

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      W!Rumple is back! I'm glad we'll get to see Dark One Rumple once again before the show ends!

      Can Rumple even be the dark one in that realm? If Rumple is trying to put the darkness in the guardian, what's the point if there's another dark one running around the wish realm? I'm surprised wish Rumple hasn't stumbled upon the gang yet.

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    • I've been saying that since the Guardian thing was first mentioned

      If Gold wants to put the Darkness to rest then he'll need to kill W!Rumple first to take that part of the Darkness. Otherwise, I'd be kind of pointless

      Next episode, they are reminding us once again that W!Rumple still exists

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    • Oh and itsn't it funny that Emma, who is supposed to be the Savior, just keeps multiplying the Dark Ones??

      She first did in season 5 with Dark Hook. And in season 6 she created a thrid Dark One with W!Rumple

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I've been saying that since the Guardian thing was first mentioned

      If Gold wants to put the Darkness to rest then he'll need to kill W!Rumple first to take that part of the Darkness. Otherwise, I'd be kind of pointless

      Next episode, they are reminding us once again that W!Rumple still exists

      I don't think it counts. He is an alternate reality... Not in the same universe as our Rumple's.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      I've been saying that since the Guardian thing was first mentioned

      If Gold wants to put the Darkness to rest then he'll need to kill W!Rumple first to take that part of the Darkness. Otherwise, I'd be kind of pointless

      Next episode, they are reminding us once again that W!Rumple still exists

      I don't think it counts. He is an alternate reality... Not in the same universe as our Rumple's.

      I was under the impression it was an alternate reality but in a realm in the same universe. I mean, Hook had to get to Gothel's tower somehow. 

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      I've been saying that since the Guardian thing was first mentioned

      If Gold wants to put the Darkness to rest then he'll need to kill W!Rumple first to take that part of the Darkness. Otherwise, I'd be kind of pointless

      Next episode, they are reminding us once again that W!Rumple still exists

      I don't think it counts. He is an alternate reality... Not in the same universe as our Rumple's.
      I was under the impression it was an alternate reality but in a realm in the same universe. I mean, Hook had to get to Gothel's tower somehow. 

      Oh, yes, that. #headache

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:

      Can Rumple even be the dark one in that realm? If Rumple is trying to put the darkness in the guardian, what's the point if there's another dark one running around the wish realm? I'm surprised wish Rumple hasn't stumbled upon the gang yet.

      I hadn't thought of this, but it's a valid point. If Wish Hook is now being treated as just as real as the original Hook, the same should go for Wish Rumple. And he's also a sparkly magical wizard, so I think we can totally say that he's another current Dark One. Rumple best return to the Wish Realm to kill his other self before he goes through with this guardian power transfer thing. 

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    • Whoever is killing witches has to be awake to know who are the witches... But for some reason, I just feel like it isn't Samdi who is responsible. 

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    • I think Samdi is the mastermind and Drew is the muscle guy who's doing the dirty work.

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    • Leroiblanc wrote: Whoever is killing witches has to be awake to know who are the witches... But for some reason, I just feel like it isn't Samdi who is responsible. 

      I think it is him, the writers don’t tend to hide twists like these (like Alice being Hook’s daughter).

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    • TheRose123 wrote:

      Leroiblanc wrote: Whoever is killing witches has to be awake to know who are the witches... But for some reason, I just feel like it isn't Samdi who is responsible. 

      I think it is him, the writers don’t tend to hide twists like these (like Alice being Hook’s daughter).

      I really believe Samdi is just a red herring and the real witch hunter is Jack, who, in this theory, would be the fake name of Hansel.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      TheRose123 wrote:

      Leroiblanc wrote: Whoever is killing witches has to be awake to know who are the witches... But for some reason, I just feel like it isn't Samdi who is responsible. 

      I think it is him, the writers don’t tend to hide twists like these (like Alice being Hook’s daughter).

      I really believe Samdi is just a red herring and the real witch hunter is Jack, who, in this theory, would be the fake name of Hansel.

      I want that theory to be true, but I’m still holding on to Samdi because it seems more realistic knowing the writers.

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    • We don’t know if Rumple even knows about Wish Rumple. That’s really not his problem.

      It’s like telling Emma that there’s a whole realm of kidnapped children and adult slaves in a far off realm. It’s not her problem. (Would be joking, but that did happen.)

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      We don’t know if Rumple even knows about Wish Rumple. That’s really not his problem.

      It’s like telling Emma that there’s a whole realm of kidnapped children and adult slaves in a far off realm. It’s not her problem. (Would be joking, but that did happen.)

      I mean I guess, but the Darkness !!!!! He probably should know, or at least figure since he's been working with wish Hook.

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    • Eskaver wrote: We don’t know if Rumple even knows about Wish Rumple. That’s really not his problem.

      It’s like telling Emma that there’s a whole realm of kidnapped children and adult slaves in a far off realm. It’s not her problem. (Would be joking, but that did happen.)

      Oh god I just realized something. If the ultra condensed time theory about the Wish Realm is True, that means there was a WNimue and a WZoso and a WGirgon, but personally I believe the Wish Realm was created and WEvilQueen was young due to an error like WRobin and he just left while Emma was still in the castle, went to the NEF where he was cursed to be old and then he returned and encountered Emma and WPinoccho.

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    • I'm pretty glad with how Ahab looks, peg leg and all! Since they have Maui's fishhook, I'm wondering if Moby Dick is going to be stated to be Maui in transformation or something.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm pretty glad with how Ahab looks, peg leg and all! Since they have Maui's fishhook, I'm wondering if Moby Dick is going to be stated to be Maui in transformation or something.

      That would be very interesting! But i think the Fishhook is just the MacGuffin of the episode, unfortunetely. I don't think we're seeing Moana or Maui at all.

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    • This is Hook centric because I saw online....

      713 Hook centric/714 Alice & Robin centric/717 Zelena centric/719 Gothel centric/720 Regina & Henry centric.

      Don't know about the other episodes because it didn't say :D

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    • The Great Sorcerer wrote:
      I also think it's grief but WHO CARES, IT'S HENVY. I LOVE IT. 

      I want them together so much.


      . #teamDrizella

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      1. teamElla @8Rob It's a trick. Drizella knows the price, so if she and Henry fall in love and kiss - Henry dies. So, yeah ... She has her agenda, and she most likely hid in Lucy's closet to toss the page out to get Lucy to stop Jacinda and Henry from sharing True Love's Kiss. 
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    • 123Raura wrote:
      #teamElla @8Rob It's a trick. Drizella knows the price, so if she and Henry fall in love and kiss - Henry dies. So, yeah ... She has her agenda, and she most likely hid in Lucy's closet to toss the page out to get Lucy to stop Jacinda and Henry from sharing True Love's Kiss. 

      How could she hide in the closet when she wasn't in it when Lucy checked it. There's no possible way she could toss the page out.

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    • My theory is this: When Lucy asks for help to Roni (it's in the promo) and tells her that Henry and Ella are about to kiss, Roni, Lucy and Kelly recruit Drizella to seduce Henry and take him apart from Ella until they find the way to break the curse without Henry dying. 

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    • Truest Believer wrote:
      My theory is this: When Lucy asks for help to Roni (it's in the promo) and tells her that Henry and Ella are about to kiss, Roni, Lucy and Kelly recruit Drizella to seduce Henry and take him apart from Ella until they find the way to break the curse without Henry dying. 

      That's reasonable, since Drizzy seems to be looking for redemption after Gothel's betrayal and Rappy's death.

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    • This is actually the first episode I have been looking forward to since 6x20! Baby Alice looks so cute!

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    • Aine1989 wrote:
      This is actually the first episode I have been looking forward to since 6x20! Baby Alice looks so cute!

      She does! I'm really happy to see that we have multiple episodes in 7B that are completely/partially focused on Alice. XD

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Aine1989 wrote:
      This is actually the first episode I have been looking forward to since 6x20! Baby Alice looks so cute!

      She does! I'm really happy to see that we have multiple episodes in 7B that are completely/partially focused on Alice. XD

      713, 714, and (maybe) 718. I’m glad she’s getting more screentime in the second half, she was one of the standouts in 7A.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Aine1989 wrote:
      This is actually the first episode I have been looking forward to since 6x20! Baby Alice looks so cute!
      She does! I'm really happy to see that we have multiple episodes in 7B that are completely/partially focused on Alice. XD

      713, 714, and (maybe) 718. I’m glad she’s getting more screentime in the second half, she was one of the standouts in 7A.

      Yes. Didn't Rose confirmed 718 is focused on Rumple and Alice? (big spoiler though, since this means she's the Guardian.)

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    • Aine1989 wrote: This is actually the first episode I have been looking forward to since 6x20! Baby Alice looks so cute!

      Gothel’s baby?

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    • https://youtu.be/T4K0bqovOKs

      This promo is really EPIC. Anyone has theories regarding to how Hook survived the fall or who Ian Nsenga is playing? He apparently has Maui's Fish Hook.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Aine1989 wrote: This is actually the first episode I have been looking forward to since 6x20! Baby Alice looks so cute!

      Gothel’s baby?

      Well no when I say baby Alice I mean kid/preteen/however old she is in that promo

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      https://youtu.be/T4K0bqovOKs

      This promo is really EPIC. Anyone has theories regarding to how Hook survived the fall or who Ian Nsenga is playing? He apparently has Maui's Fish Hook.

      Ian is playing Starbuck, according to IMDB, which I trust usually. Starbuck is Ahab's first mate in Moby Dick, so it makes sense that he would be equivilant to Hook's Smee in this episode.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      https://youtu.be/T4K0bqovOKsThis promo is really EPIC. Anyone has theories regarding to how Hook survived the fall or who Ian Nsenga is playing? He apparently has Maui's Fish Hook.
      Ian is playing Starbuck, according to IMDB, which I trust usually. Starbuck is Ahab's first mate in Moby Dick, so it makes sense that he would be equivilant to Hook's Smee in this episode.

      I wonder why he would have Maui's Fish Hook. And happy that Smee's in this episode! Wish he had a Seattle counterpart though.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      https://youtu.be/T4K0bqovOKsThis promo is really EPIC. Anyone has theories regarding to how Hook survived the fall or who Ian Nsenga is playing? He apparently has Maui's Fish Hook.
      Ian is playing Starbuck, according to IMDB, which I trust usually. Starbuck is Ahab's first mate in Moby Dick, so it makes sense that he would be equivilant to Hook's Smee in this episode.
      I wonder why he would have Maui's Fish Hook.

      And happy that Smee's in this episode! Wish he had a Seattle counterpart though.

      Ahab probably found/stole the fish hook from someone. Starbuck is holding it because that's what a first mate's job is to do, support the captain.

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    • I think 7B's new slogan is no longer "War of the witches," but "War of the pirates." XD

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      I think 7B's new slogan is no longer "War of the witches," but "War of the pirates." XD

      I think there's a duel. It appears they using the same techniques as described in Hamilton's "Ten Duel Comandments." 

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    • 123Raura wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      I think 7B's new slogan is no longer "War of the witches," but "War of the pirates." XD

      I think there's a duel. It appears they using the same techniques as described in Hamilton's "Ten Duel Comandments." 

      I mean, it’s just how duels were generally orchestrated in the 1700s.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:

      123Raura wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      I think 7B's new slogan is no longer "War of the witches," but "War of the pirates." XD
      I think there's a duel. It appears they using the same techniques as described in Hamilton's "Ten Duel Comandments." 

      I mean, it’s just how duels were generally orchestrated in the 1700s.

      Exactly. It's the 10 Duel Commandments. Now that song will be stuck in my head for the next day - not that I'm complaining. Hamilton rules!

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    • I predict that we’ll see a tavern called Fish (unknown symbol) Bird. Maybe I’m psychic, maybe I just look on the production/artists and such pages, every now and then.

      “Fish Bird” or “Fish & Bird”. Maybe it’s just background.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      I predict that we’ll see a tavern called Fish (unknown symbol) Bird. Maybe I’m psychic, maybe I just look on the production/artists and such pages, every now and then.

      “Fish Bird” or “Fish & Bird”. Maybe it’s just background.

      Or the Snuggly Duckling XD

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    • Truest Believer wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      I predict that we’ll see a tavern called Fish (unknown symbol) Bird. Maybe I’m psychic, maybe I just look on the production/artists and such pages, every now and then.

      “Fish Bird” or “Fish & Bird”. Maybe it’s just background.

      Or the Snuggly Duckling XD

      Well, no. I saw on one of the set designers page a tavern sign.

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    • Oh G, where's the press release? 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote: Oh G, where's the press release? 

      Sleeping. Don’t wake it up! (As long as it comes out before Friday, right?)

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote: Oh G, where's the press release? 

      Sleeping. Don’t wake it up! (As long as it comes out before Friday, right?)

      It just woke up! ^^D 

      Once Upon a Time: Knightfall (3/16)

      ELOISE LEADS ROGERS DOWN A DANGEROUS PATH, AND AN ENCOUNTER WITH CAPTAIN AHAB LEAVES HOOK’S LIFE HANGING IN THE BALANCE,  ON ABC’S ‘ONCE UPON A TIME’

      “Knightfall” – Rogers strikes a deal with Eloise despite Tilly’s fair warning, while Ivy struggles to find herself after Victoria’s death. Meanwhile, in a faraway realm, Hook confronts Captain Ahab over a legendary magical talisman which can free Alice, only to learn that his quest may have unintended consequences, on “Once Upon a Time,” FRIDAY, MARCH 16 (8:00–9:01 p.m. EDT), on The ABC Television Network, streaming and on demand. 

      “Once Upon a Time” stars Lana Parrilla as Regina/Roni, Robert Carlyle as Rumpelstiltskin/Weaver, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook/Rogers, Andrew J. West as Henry Mills, Gabrielle Anwar as Lady Tremaine/Victoria Belfrey, Dania Ramirez as Cinderella/Jacinda, Alison Fernandez as Lucy, and Mekia Cox as Sabine/Tiana.

      Guest starring in this episode are Rose Reynolds as Alice/Tilly, Adelaide Kane as Drizella/Ivy, Emma Booth as The Witch/Gothel/Eloise Gardener, Christopher Gauthier as Smee, Chad Rook as Captain Ahab and Elle McKinnon as Young Alice.

      “Knightfall” was written by Jerome Schwartz & Miguel Raya, and directed by Steve Miner.

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    • For a second, I thought you guys meant Rogers was waking up.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote: Oh G, where's the press release? 

      Sleeping. Don’t wake it up! (As long as it comes out before Friday, right?)
      He just woke up! ^^D 

      Once Upon a Time: Knightfall (3/16)

      ELOISE LEADS ROGERS DOWN A DANGEROUS PATH, AND AN ENCOUNTER WITH CAPTAIN AHAB LEAVES HOOK’S LIFE HANGING IN THE BALANCE,  ON ABC’S ‘ONCE UPON A TIME’

      “Knightfall” – Rogers strikes a deal with Eloise despite Tilly’s fair warning, while Ivy struggles to find herself after Victoria’s death. Meanwhile, in a faraway realm, Hook confronts Captain Ahab over a legendary magical talisman which can free Alice, only to learn that his quest may have unintended consequences, on “Once Upon a Time,” FRIDAY, MARCH 16 (8:00–9:01 p.m. EDT), on The ABC Television Network, streaming and on demand. 

      “Once Upon a Time” stars Lana Parrilla as Regina/Roni, Robert Carlyle as Rumpelstiltskin/Weaver, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook/Rogers, Andrew J. West as Henry Mills, Gabrielle Anwar as Lady Tremaine/Victoria Belfrey, Dania Ramirez as Cinderella/Jacinda, Alison Fernandez as Lucy, and Mekia Cox as Sabine/Tiana.

      Guest starring in this episode are Rose Reynolds as Alice/Tilly, Adelaide Kane as Drizella/Ivy, Emma Booth as The Witch/Gothel/Eloise Gardener, Christopher Gauthier as Smee, Chad Rook as Captain Ahab and Elle McKinnon as Young Alice.

      “Knightfall” was written by Jerome Schwartz & Miguel Raya, and directed by Steve Miner.

      Looks like Tiera/Robin is not in this episode at all. And why do ABC keep crediting Gothel as "The Witch"? We already know her real identity XD 

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    • So, no Facilier in this episode? Surprised, since the ending of last episode.

      Anyway, flashback looks a bit boring, but present day seems very interesting... looking forward to Rogers' investigation and Ivy's storyline.

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      So, no Facilier in this episode? Surprised, since the ending of last episode.

      Anyway, flashback looks a bit boring, but present day seems very interesting... looking forward to Rogers' investigation and Ivy's storyline.

      Sad that Ivy's time in the show is ending though.

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    • It seems there is no witch this week

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote: Oh G, where's the press release? 

      Sleeping. Don’t wake it up! (As long as it comes out before Friday, right?)
      He just woke up! ^^D 

      Once Upon a Time: Knightfall (3/16)

      ELOISE LEADS ROGERS DOWN A DANGEROUS PATH, AND AN ENCOUNTER WITH CAPTAIN AHAB LEAVES HOOK’S LIFE HANGING IN THE BALANCE,  ON ABC’S ‘ONCE UPON A TIME’

      “Knightfall” – Rogers strikes a deal with Eloise despite Tilly’s fair warning, while Ivy struggles to find herself after Victoria’s death. Meanwhile, in a faraway realm, Hook confronts Captain Ahab over a legendary magical talisman which can free Alice, only to learn that his quest may have unintended consequences, on “Once Upon a Time,” FRIDAY, MARCH 16 (8:00–9:01 p.m. EDT), on The ABC Television Network, streaming and on demand. 

      “Once Upon a Time” stars Lana Parrilla as Regina/Roni, Robert Carlyle as Rumpelstiltskin/Weaver, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook/Rogers, Andrew J. West as Henry Mills, Gabrielle Anwar as Lady Tremaine/Victoria Belfrey, Dania Ramirez as Cinderella/Jacinda, Alison Fernandez as Lucy, and Mekia Cox as Sabine/Tiana.

      Guest starring in this episode are Rose Reynolds as Alice/Tilly, Adelaide Kane as Drizella/Ivy, Emma Booth as The Witch/Gothel/Eloise Gardener, Christopher Gauthier as Smee, Chad Rook as Captain Ahab and Elle McKinnon as Young Alice.

      “Knightfall” was written by Jerome Schwartz & Miguel Raya, and directed by Steve Miner.

      Looks like Tiera/Robin is not in this episode at all. And why do ABC keep crediting Gothel as "The Witch"? We already know her real identity XD 

      And why is Gabrielle listed?

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote: Oh G, where's the press release? 

      Sleeping. Don’t wake it up! (As long as it comes out before Friday, right?)
      He just woke up! ^^D 

      Once Upon a Time: Knightfall (3/16)

      ELOISE LEADS ROGERS DOWN A DANGEROUS PATH, AND AN ENCOUNTER WITH CAPTAIN AHAB LEAVES HOOK’S LIFE HANGING IN THE BALANCE,  ON ABC’S ‘ONCE UPON A TIME’

      “Knightfall” – Rogers strikes a deal with Eloise despite Tilly’s fair warning, while Ivy struggles to find herself after Victoria’s death. Meanwhile, in a faraway realm, Hook confronts Captain Ahab over a legendary magical talisman which can free Alice, only to learn that his quest may have unintended consequences, on “Once Upon a Time,” FRIDAY, MARCH 16 (8:00–9:01 p.m. EDT), on The ABC Television Network, streaming and on demand. 

      “Once Upon a Time” stars Lana Parrilla as Regina/Roni, Robert Carlyle as Rumpelstiltskin/Weaver, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook/Rogers, Andrew J. West as Henry Mills, Gabrielle Anwar as Lady Tremaine/Victoria Belfrey, Dania Ramirez as Cinderella/Jacinda, Alison Fernandez as Lucy, and Mekia Cox as Sabine/Tiana.

      Guest starring in this episode are Rose Reynolds as Alice/Tilly, Adelaide Kane as Drizella/Ivy, Emma Booth as The Witch/Gothel/Eloise Gardener, Christopher Gauthier as Smee, Chad Rook as Captain Ahab and Elle McKinnon as Young Alice.

      “Knightfall” was written by Jerome Schwartz & Miguel Raya, and directed by Steve Miner.

      Looks like Tiera/Robin is not in this episode at all. And why do ABC keep crediting Gothel as "The Witch"? We already know her real identity XD 
      And why is Gabrielle listed?

      They listed her for 712 too.

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    • " legendary magical talisman"

      THIRD macguffin in a row lol

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    • ABC is funny as always. “Dangerous path” was used by Gothel when talking about waking from the curse. Every press release has someone making deals and stuff with Eloise. And...”faraway realm” is totally Wish Realm unless Wish Longbourn is in a new reality for “reasons”.

      Present day is alright, but it’s lack that umph since Ivy and Eloise are the sides of the uncursed we get to see.

      Past, is interesting. I think this episode and next episode might tie closer together as almost like a two parter.

      Anyway, Gothel surely cursed him and tosses him down the tower (which should kill him) unless Maui’s fishhook creates portals now.

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    • 8Rob wrote: " legendary magical talisman"

      THIRD macguffin in a row lol

      They are really pumping things up. 12 episodes, twelve macguffins!

      Alas no witch, but I guess Eloise fills that void and maybe some signs that someone’s after her.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      And why is Gabrielle listed?
      They listed her for 712 too.

      I think it's a contractual thing. Most actors who leave a main cast during a season will still be credited and paid after they're gone. We don't know if Gabrielle always knew she'd be done in 7x11 so the contract she signed might've guaranteed some things. 

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      8Rob wrote: " legendary magical talisman"

      THIRD macguffin in a row lol

      They are really pumping things up. 12 episodes, twelve macguffins!

      Alas no witch, but I guess Eloise fills that void and maybe some signs that someone’s after her.

      List of MacGuffins:

      • 710 - White Elephant
      • 711 - Resurrection Amulet
      • 712 - Enchanted Spear
      • 713 - Maui's Fish Hook
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    • They are running out of names for the macguffins 

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    • Press release, cast list, and promo pics are okay, but nothing too shocking or exciting. Of course part of that is that we had found out about most of the one off actors (Ahab, Young Alice, etc.) a while back, so we kind of knew where this episode was going.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Press release, cast list, and promo pics are okay, but nothing too shocking or exciting. Of course part of that is that we had found out about most of the one off actors (Ahab, Young Alice, etc.) a while back, so we kind of knew where this episode was going.

      They didn't listed who Ian Nsenga (i think i wrote it right?) is portraying, although iMDB lists him as Starbuck. But they initially announced Ahab as Captain Kidd, so it's not a reliable source. Sometimes it is right and sometimes it is wrong.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      They are running out of names for the macguffins 

      Right because Tree of Wisdom, True Love Sapling, and Black Fairy's Wand are such creative names.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Press release, cast list, and promo pics are okay, but nothing too shocking or exciting. Of course part of that is that we had found out about most of the one off actors (Ahab, Young Alice, etc.) a while back, so we kind of knew where this episode was going.
      They didn't listed who Ian Nsenga (i think i wrote it right?) is portraying, although iMDB lists him as Starbuck. But they initially announced Ahab as Captain Kidd, so it's not a reliable source. Sometimes it is right and sometimes it is wrong.

      Captain Kidd was the casting call name for Ahab, so that's why there was confusion there. I'm sure Ian will be Starbuck.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      They are running out of names for the macguffins 

      I thought the white elephant was kind of cute.

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    • Hook centric episodes are always so boring... But, I must say, as opposed to the Wish Realm stuff as I am, Wish Hook episodes are more compelling for me. Maybe it's his quest for Alice?

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    • I agree, they are boring, the flashback is not gonna be interesting, but present day seems exciting with Gothel, Alice and Drizella, plus Rogers' investigation continues, that's nice! Sad that there is no Robin, Zelena or Facilier.

      I just realized why this episode is called "Knightfall", Hook is Alice's knight, and he falls in the trailer. I'm so late *facepalm*

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    • Is it bad that I keep reading "Knightfall" to the tune of Adele's "Skyfall"

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    • 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵 🎵

      This is the end
      Hold your breath and count to ten
      Feel the earth move and then
      Hear my heart burst again

      For this is the end
      I've drowned and dreamt this moment
      So overdue I owe them
      Swept away, I'm stolen

      Let the knight fall
      When he crumbles
      We will stand tall
      Face it all together

      Let the knight fall
      When he crumbles
      We will stand tall
      Face it all together

      Let the knight fall
      When he crumbles
      We will stand tall
      Face it all together
      At knightfall
      At knightfall

      Knightfall is where we start
      A thousand miles and poles apart
      Where worlds collide and days are dark
      You may have my number, you can take my name
      But you'll never have my heart

      Let the knight fall
      When he crumbles
      We will stand tall
      Face it all together

      Let the knight fall
      When he crumbles
      We will stand tall
      Face it all together
      At knightfall

      Where you go I go
      What you see I see
      I know I'd never be me
      Without the security
      Of your loving arms
      Keeping me from harm
      Put your hook in my hand
      And we'll stand

      Let the knight fall
      When he crumbles
      We will stand tall
      Face it all together

      Let the knightfall
      When he crumbles
      We will stand tall
      Face it all together
      At knightfall

      Let the knight fall
      We will stand tall
      At knightfall

      Oh-s...
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    • That is amazing right there

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    • So now that we have pics and video is everyone happy with how Ahab looks?

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      In the beggining when this episode's info came out this was the episode of Season 7 that i was less excited. But now, after this hell-of-a-trailer, i'm SO EXCITED! 

      Back to thinking this episode will be boring. XD 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      In the beggining when this episode's info came out this was the episode of Season 7 that i was less excited. But now, after this hell-of-a-trailer, i'm SO EXCITED! 
      Back to thinking this episode will be boring. XD 

      Same. I like Hook (or WHook in this case). But his episodes are always like meh...........

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    • Kelly returns to San Francisco for this episode and return in 714?

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Kelly returns to San Francisco for this episode and return in 714?

      Can't seem to find an excuse for her absence other than this.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Kelly returns to San Francisco for this episode and return in 714?

      Can't seem to find an excuse for her absence other than this.

      Or...she’s offscreen. That happens all the time.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Kelly returns to San Francisco for this episode and return in 714?
      Can't seem to find an excuse for her absence other than this.
      Or...she’s offscreen. That happens all the time.

      But she's with Roni in 100% of the time in episodes 11 & 12. And Roni is appearing in this episode so...

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Kelly returns to San Francisco for this episode and return in 714?
      Can't seem to find an excuse for her absence other than this.
      Or...she’s offscreen. That happens all the time.

      But she's with Roni in 100% of the time in episodes 11 & 12. And Roni is appearing in this episode so...

      She went shopping. On the serious note, characters aren’t glued together. It’s pointless speculation and no real need to figure out.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:


      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Kelly returns to San Francisco for this episode and return in 714?
      Can't seem to find an excuse for her absence other than this.
      Or...she’s offscreen. That happens all the time.
      But she's with Roni in 100% of the time in episodes 11 & 12. And Roni is appearing in this episode so...

      I didn't see Zelena around while Facilier and Regina were making out  e.e

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:


      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Kelly returns to San Francisco for this episode and return in 714?
      Can't seem to find an excuse for her absence other than this.
      Or...she’s offscreen. That happens all the time.
      But she's with Roni in 100% of the time in episodes 11 & 12. And Roni is appearing in this episode so...

      Maybe she went to the airport to pick up her daughter. Maybe she went to investigate something offscreen. Maybe Roni is only in one scene, and Kelly is in the bathroom at that time. Like Esk said, it doesn't mean anything.

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    • So judging from the promo pictures and promo (for the flashback): 

      Flashback starts with Hook planning on releasing Alice out of the tower. He goes to Rumple (Wish Realm) and finds out about Ahab and Maui's hook. I imagine the whale was probably someone using the hook to transform into one? Anyways, they duel and Hook brings Ahab back with him to Rumple's cell (or Ahab follows him) and either way, gives Hook the hook. Hook leaves to go free Alice, when Gothel decides to appear and knock him out of the tower, along with giving him the curse of the poisoned heart. 

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    • Ready for that sneak peek today? Hope ABC won’t make it too sneaky and we find it on Friday!

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    • Any Once Upon a Time scoop? — Aimee
      There will definitely be another life lost during Friday’s episode, and the blame will land squarely on a surprising beloved character. But not everything is as it appears on the surface, sending Rogers and Weaver on an even more desperate mission. [x]



      ......Tilly?

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    • JennaMae wrote: Any Once Upon a Time scoop? — Aimee
      There will definitely be another life lost during Friday’s episode, and the blame will land squarely on a surprising beloved character. But not everything is as it appears on the surface, sending Rogers and Weaver on an even more desperate mission. [x]



      ......Tilly?

      Agree. The death sounds like it is a minor one, not a big one... So, I suppose another Coven member is being killed.

      And I agree, this scoop gives the impression it could be Tilly who will be falsely accused of it. Plus, the next ep is her centric so...

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    • It’s definitely Tilly, but who has she “killed”?

      Seeing the PR, does she kill IVy? It’s not her time, but lol, J couldn’t tell unless that description is really reaching. (No desk sarge, or Witch present).

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      So judging from the promo pictures and promo (for the flashback): 

      Flashback starts with Hook planning on releasing Alice out of the tower. He goes to Rumple (Wish Realm) and finds out about Ahab and Maui's hook. I imagine the whale was probably someone using the hook to transform into one? Anyways, they duel and Hook brings Ahab back with him to Rumple's cell (or Ahab follows him) and either way, gives Hook the hook. Hook leaves to go free Alice, when Gothel decides to appear and knock him out of the tower, along with giving him the curse of the poisoned heart. 

      I think the poisoned heart will be in another episode because in 7x02 Killian says there was a time after he was banished from the tower where he snuck in to play chess with Alice and then was discovered, then got poisoned.

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    • So much death! I'm enjoying this, but yeah a minor death (like the new pirate) and they blame Alice, so they are repeating Snow's storyline from season 1 now? I'm only drawing parallels, I don't mind it because it's a lot better than season 1 here, there is an actual serial killer and actual victims, no random hearts and victims who suddenly reappear, it's a real mystery.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      So much death! I'm enjoying this, but yeah a minor death (like the new pirate) and they blame Alice, so they are repeating Snow's storyline from season 1 now? I'm only drawing parallels, I don't mind it because it's a lot better than season 1 here, there is an actual serial killer and actual victims, no random hearts and victims who suddenly reappear, it's a real mystery.

      To be fair in the first season, you don't actually know if Kathryn was murdered or not until "The Stable Boy". So there was still a mystery.

      I don't think Ahab will be in Hyperion Heights, and if he is, he'd be really old.

      I agree with others that Tilley will get blamed for the murder (considering the synopsis), but I actually think this time it won't be a coven member. Although, it could also totally be the girl who blowed out that candle in the promo. Maybe Tilley is seen jumping from roof to roof (like the promo) and that's how she gets blamed?

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Any Once Upon a Time scoop? — Aimee

      There will definitely be another life lost during Friday’s episode, and the blame will land squarely on a surprising beloved character. But not everything is as it appears on the surface, sending Rogers and Weaver on an even more desperate mission. [x]



      ......Tilly?

      Not sure who would be dying (besides a coven witch, they may have just not listed her on the press release), but if she meant to write surprisingly beloved character, that would be Drizella, I would think. You aren't supposted to like the ugly stepsisters, but people are way more into her than Cinderella, so that fits with the statement.

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    • I think the “beloved character” is Ivy. I don’t know who would die, but for some reason they suspect it’s her and so she tries to escape the police. She runs into Henry, and they kiss.

      Realistically, it would be Alice though, and this episode is (kind of) centered around her and it would be a interesting buildup to 714.

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    • It's probably just a random witch that will be revealed later (7x14)

      I think we'll see the corpse under a white sheet in this episode and that's it. (maybe even the coven tattoo)

      The reveal of the serial killer is around the corner. I think there has to be another murder in this episode

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    • Still no Sneak Peek!?! I guess ABC really is done with this show. XD

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: Still no Sneak Peek!?! I guess ABC really is done with this show. XD

      Suuuuuuuuuure. Like they never ever release a sneak peek on Friday, even before S7 ^^

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    • So, do we know for sure which episode is Ivy's last? Some people seem to think this is the one.

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    • Taranee94 wrote:
      So, do we know for sure which episode is Ivy's last? Some people seem to think this is the one.

      Ivy or Drizella, depends if they leave at the same time. Likely, Episode 15 for both.

      (Nothing says that Ivy dies this episode, but that someone we know will be thought to have killed someone. And Rogers and Weaver are connected to the perp...obviously Tilly, so there's not much else to discuss but the victim.)

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    • (MOD): No showbashing, which includes random character bashing.

      You can dislike a character, maybe think a character's centric may not work, but when it's not within the context of the thread, try not to post it here.

      Ex. On a Regina centric, "Regina centrics are nonsensical. Does she really need it?" That's fine. But "Hook is worse. Nothing but a sleazy loser." is off-topic and bashing for no other reason than bashing.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: Still no Sneak Peek!?! I guess ABC really is done with this show. XD

      Suuuuuuuuuure. Like they never ever release a sneak peek on Friday, even before S7 ^^

      It's a joke. And they really should release the sneak peek before the day the show airs, because what's even the point at that point?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: Still no Sneak Peek!?! I guess ABC really is done with this show. XD

      Suuuuuuuuuure. Like they never ever release a sneak peek on Friday, even before S7 ^^

      It's a joke. And they really should release the sneak peek before the day the show airs, because what's even the point at that point?

      But we’ll get the greatest sneak peek today—43 minutes too! I said it last time, but I guess I was a little too early.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Sneak peek is out ^^' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4h7YN6t-oI

      It's so good!!! 

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    • Well, spoilers: Hook doesn’t free Rumple.

      So, in this reality, Rumple was imprisoned in some dungeon (looks to be within/near the Queen’s castle) that drains his magic. (If say the other one probably did too. Weirdly, a few feet away you can use magic...) I’m just going to act the actual room Rumple’s in is actually covered by invisible runes/ an anti-magic bubble).

      Love to see Rumple, even a crazy one...also hilarious that Nook went to NFTL to trap Rumple and he was already trapped. Guess that helps the timeline (although we already knew Rumple gets imprisoned close to the final casting of Regina’s DC.

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    • That's Wish Rumple, right?

      I've missed crazy Rumple. Robert is so good.

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    • This is Robert at his best!

      And, yes, that's W!Rumple

      Is it just me or W!Rumple is crazier than Rumple



      I also liked that W!Rumple's face when W!Hook mentioned his daughter. I suppose at this point W!Baelfire was still alive

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    • Always nice to see Bobby playing crazy Rumple, Wish Realm or not.

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    • Best Once Actor goes to...Bobby. He legit plays the character at three extremes and still ties them together. You got wooby, coward Rumple, crazy Rumple, and the callously sinister Mr. Gold. You could literally create a three man band.

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    • Call me Ishmael, because this episode is almost about to start!

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