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    Episode Airing
    00:59, March 10, 2018

    Written by David H. Goodman & Brigitte Hales.

    https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/925973351411064832

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    • So, I might have two ideas...

      1 - Very randomly, I'd say... Alice-centric?

      Heights seems to be about Hyperion Heights. But, if you take it as a litteral meaning...

      Well, the first time she saw him, Tilly was watching at Henry from over a height? So, that could show about her careless/"mad" personnality?

      As I said, very random x)


      2 - I don't know why... But since we have Hyperion Heights, this title gives me some urban-vibes... Like, maybe an episode about the neighborhood?

      Would be a Tremaine-centric and this episode would be about the first days of Hyperion Heights, right after the casting of the curse? "A Taste of" could be because Tremaine discovers this new place, and realizes how she can enact her plan to gentrify the neighborhood?

      Would be a bit like "Welcome to Storybrooke" but about HH ^^

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    • Yeah, I think we'll have to wait for some spoilers to discern what this one's about.

      If we think about food --> maybe apples --> Regina?

      Literal heights --> maybe a tower --> Rapunzel (her FTL tower) or Tremaine? (her giant building)

      Or like if it's someone experiencing a bit of Hyperion Heights --> maybe a guest character visiting the neighborhood?

      It's not an obvious reference to anything.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      Literal heights --> maybe a tower --> Rapunzel (her FTL tower) or Tremaine? (her giant building)

      Good point for a potential Tremaine-centric ^^

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    • Is this a reference to drugs? o.O

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Is this a reference to drugs? o.O

      Alice it is, then. lol

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    • Alice seems most plausable as she was in a high place in 7x01, mentioned feeling either ten fee tall when she remebered or being small when she was being cursed, her pills?

      If ont, it could be a new character's arrival in Hyperion Heights? Maybe Anastasia if she is revivied in the last episiode. She would definietly be confused as to how she went from a forest to a city with technology :)

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    • Looks like they are just going to cycle through the three teams of writers while Adam and Eddy write the premiere and finale of the season.

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    • I think in HH, there will be a food festival (like Taste of Chicago), but for FB, I agree about Alice. Remember, she traditionally alters her size with food and drink (which they have referenced several times already, the "Drink Me" bottle she had in 701, the size comments in 704, etc.), so she literally gets a "taste" of the "heights".

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    • That or Alice is high

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    • Lady Junky wrote: So, I might have two ideas...

      1 - Very randomly, I'd say... Alice-centric?

      Heights seems to be about Hyperion Heights. But, if you take it as a litteral meaning...

      Well, the first time she saw him, Tilly was watching at Henry from over a height? So, that could show about her careless/"mad" personnality?

      As I said, very random x)


      2 - I don't know why... But since we have Hyperion Heights, this title gives me some urban-vibes... Like, maybe an episode about the neighborhood?

      Would be a Tremaine-centric and this episode would be about the first days of Hyperion Heights, right after the casting of the curse? "A Taste of" could be because Tremaine discovers this new place, and realizes how she can enact her plan to gentrify the neighborhood?

      Would be a bit like "Welcome to Storybrooke" but about HH ^^

      I love the second idea - it would be nice for a villain to have a centric that isn’t on how they became evil. But they also probably need to do an Alice centric at this point, especially because they said she will be more important in the second arc when discussing the LGBTQ relationship.

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    • My first guess was Tiana. That taste of reminds me of cooking

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    • It's probably the name of her restaraunt.

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    • Ya'll are making me hungry.

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    • When does filming start for this? Soon?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: When does filming start for this? Soon?

      On the 7th, according to Kat.

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    • I again have no clue about this title. I like the above ideas of it being about Alice. But I also like Lady's idea about it being "Welcome to Storybrooke" esque in that its about the first days after curse was cast. Filming spoliers and time will tell.

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    • Alice does need a centric eventually and we already have 707. 708, and 709 as potential Cinderella cast centrics, so I'm inclined to agree with it being Alice over Tremaine (as much as I'd like to see a Welcome to Storybrooke with Tremaine).

      If Alice is the caster of the curse -- which I think it's either her or Drizella at this point -- then this definitely makes sense as her episode. It could even be Welcome to Storybrooke style with her instead of Tremaine, ending in Tremaine giving her the drugs that put her to "sleep" or something like that.

      I could also see this being the second Tiana centric. We'll probably hear about Facilier returning to set or Naveen being cast, so if it is Tiana, we'll find out soon. Alice, on the other hand, they could keep a lot of it a secret, especially if we head to Wonderland which would be mostly green screen.

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    • Dania, Alison and Andrew on set too.

      http://efnewsservice.tumblr.com/post/167238730177

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      Or like if it's someone experiencing a bit of Hyperion Heights --> maybe a guest character visiting the neighborhood?

      Season 1 when Pinocchio/August came to visit. Could we be seeing August 2.0?

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    • GarretW1797 wrote:

      JennaMae wrote:

      Or like if it's someone experiencing a bit of Hyperion Heights --> maybe a guest character visiting the neighborhood?

      Season 1 when Pinocchio/August came to visit. Could we be seeing August 2.0?

      I doubt the writers are copying season 1 to that extent. They merely used the same premise for the first few episodes but it seems lately that they are diverging into new territory.

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    • Lana on set for what seems to be a NEF scene for her outfit?

      http://efnewsservice.tumblr.com/post/167248809407/via-lana-parrillas-snapchat-11717

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    • Mekia was also on set today.

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BbN0-O7Hbot/

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    • New costume for Cinderella as well. https://www.instagram.com/p/BbOX3EYFBE_/

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    • Rebecca as Zelena and Colin as Hook

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BbR--XGAuEa/

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    • Seems like we can forget the Alice-centric theory.

      Rose is in LA today, and prolly for the rest of the week end, at least.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Seems like we can forget the Alice-centric theory.

      Rose is in LA today, and prolly for the rest of the week end, at least.

      Aw... wonder when her centric is then.

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    • We can REALLY forget Alice in this episode.

      It seems like Rose is at LA until the end of next week x)

      https://twitter.com/RoseAReynolds/status/929194079446900736

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    • So, if this isn't Alice's centric, it has to be Tiana's, right? "Taste" fits for Tiana, and they were casting Naveen recently.

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    • Big news about this episode.

      This episode is a Tiana-centric. Naveen and Facilier are both appearing there.

      Jeff Pierre is apparently playing Naveen. You may know him from Beyond or Shameless (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4168033/)

      He started following Mekia and Daniel Francis (Facilier's actor) on Instagram recently... And they both followed him back :P

      Which kind of confirm that Facilier is going to reappear too :P


      Also, Bruce Blain (aka the Desk Sergeant) started following Mekia + Jeff Pierre on Twitter. Mekia followed him back. Among the recent following of Blain, there is also Nina Lopez-Corrado. Who's the director for 712 :)


      So basically, 712 = Tiana-centric with the return of the Desk Sergeant, Facilier, and the first appearance of Naveen.

      Of course, nothing is 100% confirmed (yet) but it is a lot of coincidences for just one episode :P

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    • Lady Junky wrote: Big news about this episode.

      This episode is a Tiana-centric. Naveen and Facilier are both appearing there.

      Jeff Pierre is apparently playing Naveen. You may know him from Beyond or Shameless (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4168033/)

      He started following Mekia and Daniel Francis (Facilier's actor) on Instagram recently... And they both followed him back :P

      Which kind of confirm that Facilier is going to reappear too :P


      Also, Bruce Blain (aka the Desk Sergeant) started following Mekia + Jeff Pierre on Twitter. Mekia followed him back. Among the recent following of Blain, there is also Nina Lopez-Corrado. Who's the director for 712 :)


      So basically, 712 = Tiana-centric with the return of the Desk Sergeant, Facilier, and the first appearance of Naveen.

      Of course, nothing is 100% confirmed (yet) but it is a lot of coincidences for just one episode :P

      I’m super excited that Dr. Facilier is going to reappear. I have a feeling that he might have a more significant role in 7B.

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    • Okay, so we're back to the Princess and the Frog.

      It seems like 710 will show how the curse is cast, so the flashback for this episode presumably has to show somewhere between 705 and 710.

      But the present-day plot...? I guess something about Sabine and Jacinda's food truck? Which would heavily imply we're still knee-deep in curseville, which is odd considering how quickly everyone's waking up. Do we really have 6+ episodes of angsty Awake!Regina?

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Okay, so we're back to the Princess and the Frog.

      It seems like 710 will show how the curse is cast, so the flashback for this episode presumably has to show somewhere between 705 and 710.

      But the present-day plot...? I guess something about Sabine and Jacinda's food truck? Which would heavily imply we're still knee-deep in curseville, which is odd considering how quickly everyone's waking up. Do we really have 6+ episodes of angsty Awake!Regina?


      Depends the road they're gonna take? I mean, if Regina can't let that TLK happening, it'd make sense that she'd need time to find a hole in Drizella's plan.

      Plus, Zelena is coming too so I'm sure Regina is going to be quite busy on that front too ^^

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      But the present-day plot...? I guess something about Sabine and Jacinda's food truck? Which would heavily imply we're still knee-deep in curseville, which is odd considering how quickly everyone's waking up. Do we really have 6+ episodes of angsty Awake!Regina?

      Well, we know that Zelena will be reintroduced as her cursed persona, so if she first pops up in 7x10, the overall curse won't be broken by 7x11 at least.

      Maybe Regina takes a few episodes to angst, or plot something with Rumple, and perhaps she tries to contact Zelena in 7x09-7x10. I'm assuming Zelena joined the group by the time the curse was cast, so Regina should remember sometime soon that her sister is likely also in Hyperion Heights.......

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Big news about this episode.

      This episode is a Tiana-centric. Naveen and Facilier are both appearing there.

      Jeff Pierre is apparently playing Naveen. You may know him from Beyond or Shameless (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4168033/)

      He started following Mekia and Daniel Francis (Facilier's actor) on Instagram recently... And they both followed him back :P

      Which kind of confirm that Facilier is going to reappear too :P


      Also, Bruce Blain (aka the Desk Sergeant) started following Mekia + Jeff Pierre on Twitter. Mekia followed him back. Among the recent following of Blain, there is also Nina Lopez-Corrado. Who's the director for 712 :)


      So basically, 712 = Tiana-centric with the return of the Desk Sergeant, Facilier, and the first appearance of Naveen.

      Of course, nothing is 100% confirmed (yet) but it is a lot of coincidences for just one episode :P

      Sounds right to me. Jeff was in Vancouver a day ago according to his Instagram, so it all fits. Another casting mystery solved.

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    • According to IMDB, which has been right on him before, Remy will also be appearing in this episode!

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    • https://twitter.com/yvrshoots/status/930184919212363776

      Food truck's name is Rollin' Bayou.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      https://twitter.com/yvrshoots/status/930184919212363776

      Food truck's name is Rollin' Bayou.

      I read that as a spattering of profanity for a second. XD

      Definitely Tiana centric. Maybe we'll have more Facilier in the FBs in the second half. 

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:
      https://twitter.com/yvrshoots/status/930184919212363776

      Food truck's name is Rollin' Bayou.

      I read that as a spattering of profanity for a second. XD

      Definitely Tiana centric. Maybe we'll have more Facilier in the FBs in the second half. 

      I hope so!

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      https://twitter.com/yvrshoots/status/930184919212363776

      Food truck's name is Rollin' Bayou.

      Nice. Rolling By You pun, I'm guessing. XD

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    • Assuming this is still being filmed, I saw Meegan post an Instagram story as Rapunzel (pink dress and long blonde wig) just a bit ago today.

      I always keep a door open that Rapunzel might be Eloise/Eloise's mom/random person (but I'd rather not).

      Just a little bit of intrigue. Though that story is curious because I'd think that 7x07 would free Rapunzel from her long hair.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Assuming this is still being filmed, I saw Meegan post an Instagram story as Rapunzel (pink dress and long blonde wig).

      Not sure it is for this episode ^^

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Assuming this is still being filmed, I saw Meegan post an Instagram story as Rapunzel (pink dress and long blonde wig).
      Not sure it is for this episode ^^

      Just edit my post. XD

      Yeah, I posted my reason as "I'd think she'd be freed from that hair of hers". We'll definitely know by Friday.

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    • @Jennamae. Are they still filming this episode?

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      @Jennamae. Are they still filming this episode?

      Yes

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Back at Tiana's FTL home. https://twitter.com/WhatsFilming/status/931197438983098368

      Well, that's definitly the final nail in the Tiana-centric coffin. Can't wait to see Naveen and more of Facilier.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      Back at Tiana's FTL home. https://twitter.com/WhatsFilming/status/931197438983098368
      Well, that's definitly the final nail in the Tiana-centric coffin. Can't wait to see Naveen and more of Facilier.

      I think you're using that metaphor wrong. The final nail in the coffin usually means that thing isn't happening (or dead, hence coffin).

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      Back at Tiana's FTL home. https://twitter.com/WhatsFilming/status/931197438983098368
      Well, that's definitly the final nail in the Tiana-centric coffin. Can't wait to see Naveen and more of Facilier.
      I think you're using that metaphor wrong. The final nail in the coffin usually means that thing isn't happening (or dead, hence coffin).

      Right, well, then that's the final nail in the anyone-but-Tiana-centric coffin. XD

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    • When does filming finish for this episode? Should be soon, I would think.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      When does filming finish for this episode? Should be soon, I would think.


      It is over. They started their Thanksgiving hiatus today. They're back to work on November 27th, when they'll start 713

      .

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      When does filming finish for this episode? Should be soon, I would think.

      It is over. They started their Thanksgiving hiatus today. They're back to work on November 27th, when they'll start 713

      .

      They get a whole week off for Thanksgiving. That's nice.

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    • So assuming Facilier was filming in a HH location (and that they didn't mistake Naveen for him), it looks like Facilier will still be a problem that has to be dealt with this season as well. Wonder who's the bigger threat, him or Gothel.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      So assuming Facilier was filming in a HH location (and that they didn't mistake Naveen for him), it looks like Facilier will still be a problem that has to be dealt with this season as well. Wonder who's the bigger threat, him or Gothel.

      Gothel. Big threats don't go completely missing for seven episodes.

      I doubt Facilier will last past this episode.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: So assuming Facilier was filming in a HH location (and that they didn't mistake Naveen for him), it looks like Facilier will still be a problem that has to be dealt with this season as well. Wonder who's the bigger threat, him or Gothel.

      Maybe Gothel and him make a deal.

      Here’s my theory: Gothel is looking for the guardian, but why? It could be, like Rumple, she is immortal and wants to rid herself of this curse (as Eskaver suggested on another thread). Maybe she “sold her soul” per se to Facilier’s friends on the other side before she realized that she would have to pay a price for the darkness. That is where Facilier comes in.

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    • Starting to figure out the episodes better: this one would reintroduce Facilier (and show his cursed persona for the first time), as well give us Naveen and more of Tiana's past.

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    • ...Is Samdi Kelly's fiance?

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      ...Is Samdi Kelly's fiance?

      Sounds like Zelena/Kelly's fiancee will be appearing in 7B and is a real-world dude. So Regina won't be the only person getting a love interest.

      "What that curse life is and was becomes very important and something she has to wrestle with in a serious way," Horowitz said. "The fiance is a real thing. She really does have one and we really will be exploring that in the second half of the season. It is something from the real world, and that is the one thing we haven't done. We've had people that we thought were from the real world but turned out to be flying monkeys....."        x

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      ...Is Samdi Kelly's fiance?
      Sounds like Zelena/Kelly's fiancee will be appearing in 7B and is a real-world dude. So Regina won't be the only person getting a love interest.

      "What that curse life is and was becomes very important and something she has to wrestle with in a serious way," Horowitz said. "The fiance is a real thing. She really does have one and we really will be exploring that in the second half of the season. It is something from the real world, and that is the one thing we haven't done. We've had people that we thought were from the real world but turned out to be flying monkeys....."        x

      Yeah, I saw this. Phew. I didn't want to see an arc of Regina stealing Zelena's man.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      ...Is Samdi Kelly's fiance?
      Sounds like Zelena/Kelly's fiancee will be appearing in 7B and is a real-world dude. So Regina won't be the only person getting a love interest.

      "What that curse life is and was becomes very important and something she has to wrestle with in a serious way," Horowitz said. "The fiance is a real thing. She really does have one and we really will be exploring that in the second half of the season. It is something from the real world, and that is the one thing we haven't done. We've had people that we thought were from the real world but turned out to be flying monkeys....."        x

      Five bucks the guy is originally from Kansas.

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    • Seeing that Eudora is in this episode and that Tiana is Queen....I guess Eudora is dying in this episode. Probably by Facilier.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Seeing that Eudora is in this episode and that Tiana is Queen....I guess Eudora is dying in this episode. Probably by Facilier.

      But she also appears in 713.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Seeing that Eudora is in this episode and that Tiana is Queen....I guess Eudora is dying in this episode. Probably by Facilier.

      But she also appears in 713.

      Well, in one of these episodes.

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    • I think this episode will show people first cursed in hyperion heights, and might be a swan song episode for Tremaine if this is her final episode.

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    • IMDB is saying Bruce Blain is appearing in this episode as the Desk Sergent again.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      IMDB is saying Bruce Blain is appearing in this episode as the Desk Sergent again.

      That's not super surprising considering the weird dynamic Tiana and Hook have. I'm sure Sabine will drop by the police station at some point.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      IMDB is saying Bruce Blain is appearing in this episode as the Desk Sergent again.
      That's not super surprising considering the weird dynamic Tiana and Hook have. I'm sure Sabine will drop by the police station at some point.

      He also has the looks to be Naveen's butler person (I think the character's name was Lawence).

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      IMDB is saying Bruce Blain is appearing in this episode as the Desk Sergent again.
      That's not super surprising considering the weird dynamic Tiana and Hook have. I'm sure Sabine will drop by the police station at some point.
      He also has the looks to be Naveen's butler person (I think the character's name was Lawence).

      Best theory ever!

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    • Since Coven entrances are coming around (guesses should stay on their respective threads), does any one think we’ll get a Mama Odie stand-in as the Coven Witch.

      We have Facilier and him probably going after Tiana and Eudora, unless Naveen’s mother/relative/companion is of the Coven.

      There are 5 unknowns and 11 has at least one, so perhaps this has one as well?

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    • Eskaver wrote: Since Coven entrances are coming around (guesses should stay on their respective threads), does any one think we’ll get a Mama Odie stand-in as the Coven Witch.

      We have Facilier and him probably going after Tiana and Eudora, unless Naveen’s mother/relative/companion is of the Coven.

      There are 5 unknowns and 11 has at least one, so perhaps this has one as well?

      Maybe each consecutive episode will reveal another witch. Like 711: Madame Leota, 712: etc, etc.

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    • At this point I'm considering Facilier might be not a villain. He might be rather neutral or even an antihero. Maybe his scenes in 7x05 are supposed to be misleading. 

      And Mama Odie being one of the coven sounds like it fits, but there no casting announcement for her, right?

      Given that Facilier is supposed to be Regina's love interest, I wouldn't be suprised if they switched Dr Facilier and Mama Odie's alignment

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      At this point I'm considering Facilier might be not a villain. He might be rather neutral or even an antihero. Maybe his scenes in 7x05 are supposed to be misleading. 

      And Mama Odie being one of the coven sounds like it fits, but there no casting announcement for her, right?

      Given that Facilier is supposed to be Regina's love interest, I wouldn't be suprised if they switched Dr Facilier and Mama Odie's alignment

      Regarding casting, we didn't get anything about (who's assumed to be) Madame Leota, but we know she is in 711. We also didn't get anything about Naveen either, for that matter, but we know he is in this episode.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      At this point I'm considering Facilier might be not a villain. He might be rather neutral or even an antihero. Maybe his scenes in 7x05 are supposed to be misleading. 

      And Mama Odie being one of the coven sounds like it fits, but there no casting announcement for her, right?

      Given that Facilier is supposed to be Regina's love interest, I wouldn't be suprised if they switched Dr Facilier and Mama Odie's alignment

      Regarding casting, we didn't get anything about (who's assumed to be) Madame Leota, but we know she is in 711. We also didn't get anything about Naveen either, for that matter, but we know he is in this episode.

      We haven't gotten anything for any members of the Coven, actually. They were probably keeping them all a secret to keep people from figuring out the plot of 7B.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: Well, Jeff Pierre is definitly Naveen, look at his costume versus the Disney movie:

      https://twitter.com/BBinBKK/status/941878240343343104

      https://ohmy.disney.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Naveen-and-Ladies-in-the-Princess-and-the-Frog.jpg

      Since it seems he is in modern-day clothing, he will most likely be Sabine’s love interest.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: Well, Jeff Pierre is definitly Naveen, look at his costume versus the Disney movie:

      https://twitter.com/BBinBKK/status/941878240343343104

      https://ohmy.disney.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Naveen-and-Ladies-in-the-Princess-and-the-Frog.jpg

      Since it seems he is in modern-day clothing, he will most likely be Sabine’s love interest.

      Which is weird, because it definitely seemed like they were pushing CaptainFrog.

      Maybe there's a twist. Or Hook's getting a second love triangle and Naveen is Tiana's ex like Neal. Or I just read too much into Hook and Tiana's interactions.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      TheRose123 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: Well, Jeff Pierre is definitly Naveen, look at his costume versus the Disney movie:

      https://twitter.com/BBinBKK/status/941878240343343104

      https://ohmy.disney.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Naveen-and-Ladies-in-the-Princess-and-the-Frog.jpg

      Since it seems he is in modern-day clothing, he will most likely be Sabine’s love interest.

      Which is weird, because it definitely seemed like they were pushing CaptainFrog.

      Maybe there's a twist. Or Hook's getting a second love triangle and Naveen is Tiana's ex like Neal. Or I just read too much into Hook and Tiana's interactions.

      I thought that too - I wouldn’t mind if there was a love triangle, it would probably be more engaging than Henry-Jacinda-Nick and it would give Sabine a storyline beyond being Jacinda’s friend.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      TheRose123 wrote:

      Since it seems he is in modern-day clothing, he will most likely be Sabine’s love interest.

      Which is weird, because it definitely seemed like they were pushing CaptainFrog.

      Maybe there's a twist. Or Hook's getting a second love triangle and Naveen is Tiana's ex like Neal. Or I just read too much into Hook and Tiana's interactions.

      Other than Wish Hook's flirting in that one 7x03 flashback, I haven't really gotten the feeling that they're going to pair Rogers and Sabine in Hyperion Heights. Maybe the writers wanted to set something up and have decided not to go anywhere with it? There was some potential. But now, even without the Naveen news, I'm not getting the vibe anymore and they only seem to be having business interactions. I hope, like Facilier, Naveen has been recurring and we just haven't heard about it.

      Sabine definitely needs more screentime outside of being "Jacinda's roommate/friend" in general though, so I'll take her interacting with anyone. It feels like she has barely been in the season at all. Mekia must have a lot of handsomely-paid free time. 

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    • I have a theory on Dr. Facilier. So, his cursed name is Samdi, and I was reading up on the voodoo loa where the name comes from and who the character was originally based upon. On the Wikipedia page, the loa is considered to be a “giver of life” and can cure a moral “of any wound”. Maybe he can heal the poisoned Henry if the curse is broken with his magic. So, Regina calls upon him to do so, which is how he comes into play and how their romance begins.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:
      I have a theory on Dr. Facilier. So, his cursed name is Samdi, and I was reading up on the voodoo loa where the name comes from and who the character was originally based upon. On the Wikipedia page, the loa is considered to be a “giver of life” and can cure a moral “of any wound”. Maybe he can heal the poisoned Henry if the curse is broken with his magic. So, Regina calls upon him to do so, which is how he comes into play and how their romance begins.

      Clever! Maybe he could also help Hook and Alice, then.

      I still don't understand how the apparently villainous Facilier we met in 705 so quickly becomes someone who is at least good enough to attract Regina. I forget which episode it was, but there were filming pictures of them holding hands and touching foreheads, which seems pretty quick for a character who theoretically would need a redemption arc.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      TheRose123 wrote:
      I have a theory on Dr. Facilier. So, his cursed name is Samdi, and I was reading up on the voodoo loa where the name comes from and who the character was originally based upon. On the Wikipedia page, the loa is considered to be a “giver of life” and can cure a moral “of any wound”. Maybe he can heal the poisoned Henry if the curse is broken with his magic. So, Regina calls upon him to do so, which is how he comes into play and how their romance begins.
      Clever! Maybe he could also help Hook and Alice, then.

      I still don't understand how the apparently villainous Facilier we met in 705 so quickly becomes someone who is at least good enough to attract Regina. I forget which episode it was, but there were filming pictures of them holding hands and touching foreheads, which seems pretty quick for a character who theoretically would need a redemption arc.

      Well, if he has a cursed name, then he also has a cursed persona. Maybe Regina doesn't realize who he is? And so far the only character we know who knows him by face is Tiana, who is also under the curse right now, so it's not like she can warn Regina.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      TheRose123 wrote:
      I have a theory on Dr. Facilier. So, his cursed name is Samdi, and I was reading up on the voodoo loa where the name comes from and who the character was originally based upon. On the Wikipedia page, the loa is considered to be a “giver of life” and can cure a moral “of any wound”. Maybe he can heal the poisoned Henry if the curse is broken with his magic. So, Regina calls upon him to do so, which is how he comes into play and how their romance begins.
      Clever! Maybe he could also help Hook and Alice, then.

      I still don't understand how the apparently villainous Facilier we met in 705 so quickly becomes someone who is at least good enough to attract Regina. I forget which episode it was, but there were filming pictures of them holding hands and touching foreheads, which seems pretty quick for a character who theoretically would need a redemption arc.

      Well, if he has a cursed name, then he also has a cursed persona. Maybe Regina doesn't realize who he is? And so far the only character we know who knows him by face is Tiana, who is also under the curse right now, so it's not like she can warn Regina.

      But then we're looking at a Zelena/Hades situation Take 2, except with Regina who has already lost two boyfriends.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      TheRose123 wrote:
      I have a theory on Dr. Facilier. So, his cursed name is Samdi, and I was reading up on the voodoo loa where the name comes from and who the character was originally based upon. On the Wikipedia page, the loa is considered to be a “giver of life” and can cure a moral “of any wound”. Maybe he can heal the poisoned Henry if the curse is broken with his magic. So, Regina calls upon him to do so, which is how he comes into play and how their romance begins.
      Clever! Maybe he could also help Hook and Alice, then.

      I still don't understand how the apparently villainous Facilier we met in 705 so quickly becomes someone who is at least good enough to attract Regina. I forget which episode it was, but there were filming pictures of them holding hands and touching foreheads, which seems pretty quick for a character who theoretically would need a redemption arc.

      Well, if he has a cursed name, then he also has a cursed persona. Maybe Regina doesn't realize who he is? And so far the only character we know who knows him by face is Tiana, who is also under the curse right now, so it's not like she can warn Regina.
      But then we're looking at a Zelena/Hades situation Take 2, except with Regina who has already lost two boyfriends.

      It is different though, because Facilier would have a cursed persona, something Hades never had. And I have a feeling Facilier will be redeemed, if he is end game with Regina. I mean so far the only bad things he did (that we've seen) was curse a frog and steal a gem. So he's way less evil than mass murderer Regina, and she is redeemed, so I don't see why Facilier can't be.

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    • Since there was talk about Rapunzel Tremaine's departure, I was wondering if we'd at leats get her in backstory here.

      This could be her departing episode (from present day events).

      7x01: Victoria works on the 12th floor of Belfrey Towers in the CEO's office, Room 1200. That could also just be a hint at the midnight timestamp in Cinderella.

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    • News is out!

      There's another threat by an awake FTL character who's exacting revenge in Seattle. Therefore, I say it will be Samdi/Dr. Facilier.

      Theory to make....

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    • If it's Dr. Facilier, I'm gonna state the obvious, he's gonna exact revenge from Tiana. lol, or maybe in a stupid twist, it could be someone else, but I hope it's Tiana because she deserves more storylines.

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    • I also think it will be Samdi/Facilier.

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    • Yeah, definitely Facilier. They mentioned awhile ago that there would be another threat who was teased in the first half.

      Which, again, raises the Roni/Samdi romance into question.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Yeah, definitely Facilier. They mentioned awhile ago that there would be another threat who was teased in the first half.

      Which, again, raises the Roni/Samdi romance into question.

      It will be like Black Fairy (teased in first half, used in second half). But i hope it's just this aspect... Because Fiona had tooo much poor development.

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    • She didn't need development, she was the true evil of the arc. But this is for another thread.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: If it's Dr. Facilier, I'm gonna state the obvious, he's gonna exact revenge from Tiana. lol, or maybe in a stupid twist, it could be someone else, but I hope it's Tiana because she deserves more storylines.

      I don’t think he wants revenge on Tiana unless there something happened in the missing space of time in the eight years, which is probably what this episode focuses on. Maybe he wants vengeance on Naveen?

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      News is out!

      There's another threat by an awake FTL character who's exacting revenge in Seattle. Therefore, I say it will be Samdi/Dr. Facilier.

      Theory to make....

      While I think Facilier is likely, I'm still not totally convinced it couldn't be someone else, like Jack.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      News is out!

      There's another threat by an awake FTL character who's exacting revenge in Seattle. Therefore, I say it will be Samdi/Dr. Facilier.

      Theory to make....

      While I think Facilier is likely, I'm still not totally convinced it couldn't be someone else, like Jack.

      Jack seems for all accounts good. He’s actually a token character at this point because he has really served zero purpose.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      News is out!

      There's another threat by an awake FTL character who's exacting revenge in Seattle. Therefore, I say it will be Samdi/Dr. Facilier.

      Theory to make....

      While I think Facilier is likely, I'm still not totally convinced it couldn't be someone else, like Jack.
      Jack seems for all accounts good. He’s actually a token character at this point because he has really served zero purpose.

      He could be good-ish and still be a threat to the coven and such. Maybe he's a witch hunter or something.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      Eskaver wrote:
      News is out!

      There's another threat by an awake FTL character who's exacting revenge in Seattle. Therefore, I say it will be Samdi/Dr. Facilier.

      Theory to make....

      While I think Facilier is likely, I'm still not totally convinced it couldn't be someone else, like Jack.
      Jack seems for all accounts good. He’s actually a token character at this point because he has really served zero purpose.
      He could be good-ish and still be a threat to the coven and such. Maybe he's a witch hunter or something.

      Could be. 

      Someone sold him a cow. He faced a giantess. He has a mother. Three potential witches.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Could be. 

      Someone sold him a cow. He faced a giantess. He has a mother. Three potential witches.

      Lol! I honestly forgot he was still a character going into 7B. The writers should consider giving him a centric. It could be a Henry/Jack episode. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Could be. 

      Someone sold him a cow. He faced a giantess. He has a mother. Three potential witches.

      Lol! I honestly forgot he was still a character going into 7B. The writers should consider giving him a centric. It could be a Henry/Jack episode. 

      I dunno. I don't know if they can spare time for their new "main character" and that extra. XD

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      JennaMae wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Could be. 

      Someone sold him a cow. He faced a giantess. He has a mother. Three potential witches.

      Lol! I honestly forgot he was still a character going into 7B. The writers should consider giving him a centric. It could be a Henry/Jack episode. 

      I dunno. I don't know if they can spare time for their new "main character" and that extra. XD

      Especially since they are introducing at least five new characters in the second half.

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    • I'm interested to see how big a role Naveen plays in this episode. As far as we know, he is only in this one episode, which makes me question if he is going to be Tiana's love interest on Once or not.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm interested to see how big a role Naveen plays in this episode. As far as we know, he is only in this one episode, which makes me question if he is going to be Tiana's love interest on Once or not.

      He could be this season's Belle. He could appear in this episode in flashbacks, and when the curse gets broken, he returns. 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm interested to see how big a role Naveen plays in this episode. As far as we know, he is only in this one episode, which makes me question if he is going to be Tiana's love interest on Once or not.
      He could be this season's Belle. He could appear in this episode in flashbacks, and when the curse gets broken, he returns. 

      He also would remind me of Phillip too when coming bck to Aurora in a matter of speaking.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm interested to see how big a role Naveen plays in this episode. As far as we know, he is only in this one episode, which makes me question if he is going to be Tiana's love interest on Once or not.
      He could be this season's Belle. He could appear in this episode in flashbacks, and when the curse gets broken, he returns. 

      Except we know the actor who is highly suspected to be playing Naveen was in HH scenes. So he will be in present day, although, yes he probably is cursed.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm interested to see how big a role Naveen plays in this episode. As far as we know, he is only in this one episode, which makes me question if he is going to be Tiana's love interest on Once or not.
      He could be this season's Belle. He could appear in this episode in flashbacks, and when the curse gets broken, he returns. 
      Except we know the actor who is highly suspected to be playing Naveen was in HH scenes. So he will be in present day, although, yes he probably is cursed.

      Interesting. I hope he doesn't vanish after this ep. :/

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm interested to see how big a role Naveen plays in this episode. As far as we know, he is only in this one episode, which makes me question if he is going to be Tiana's love interest on Once or not.
      He could be this season's Belle. He could appear in this episode in flashbacks, and when the curse gets broken, he returns. 
      Except we know the actor who is highly suspected to be playing Naveen was in HH scenes. So he will be in present day, although, yes he probably is cursed.
      Interesting. I hope he doesn't vanish after this ep. :/

      Yeah, it could be something like Facilier/Samdi (or even a coven witch) turns him into a frog in this episode in HH, which means he could come back later like Belle. A good way to put him on the backburner until later in the season, plus if fits with what happens to him in the movie.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm interested to see how big a role Naveen plays in this episode. As far as we know, he is only in this one episode, which makes me question if he is going to be Tiana's love interest on Once or not.
      He could be this season's Belle. He could appear in this episode in flashbacks, and when the curse gets broken, he returns. 
      Except we know the actor who is highly suspected to be playing Naveen was in HH scenes. So he will be in present day, although, yes he probably is cursed.
      Interesting. I hope he doesn't vanish after this ep. :/
      Yeah, it could be something like Facilier/Samdi (or even a coven witch) turns him into a frog in this episode in HH, which means he could come back later like Belle. A good way to put him on the backburner until later in the season, plus if fits with what happens to him in the movie.

      I'd honestly prefer him to be locked to this episode. It gives Tiana a bigger chance of branching out of her Disney origin and becoming a more interesting Once character. (Plus, I'm still shipping Sabine and Rogers.) Although, if he is only going to be in this episode, it might have been better for them to not include him at all. Maybe Facilier or one of the Coven witches will disguise themselves as Naveen? Idk.

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    • Lady Junky wrote: Big news about this episode.

      This episode is a Tiana-centric. Naveen and Facilier are both appearing there.

      Jeff Pierre is apparently playing Naveen. You may know him from Beyond or Shameless (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4168033/)

      He started following Mekia and Daniel Francis (Facilier's actor) on Instagram recently... And they both followed him back :P

      Which kind of confirm that Facilier is going to reappear too :P


      Also, Bruce Blain (aka the Desk Sergeant) started following Mekia + Jeff Pierre on Twitter. Mekia followed him back. Among the recent following of Blain, there is also Nina Lopez-Corrado. Who's the director for 712 :)


      So basically, 712 = Tiana-centric with the return of the Desk Sergeant, Facilier, and the first appearance of Naveen.

      Of course, nothing is 100% confirmed (yet) but it is a lot of coincidences for just one episode :P

      They officially announced Pierre's casting as Naveen... Found out more than 3 months ago xD

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote: Big news about this episode.

      This episode is a Tiana-centric. Naveen and Facilier are both appearing there.

      Jeff Pierre is apparently playing Naveen. You may know him from Beyond or Shameless (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4168033/)

      He started following Mekia and Daniel Francis (Facilier's actor) on Instagram recently... And they both followed him back :P

      Which kind of confirm that Facilier is going to reappear too :P


      Also, Bruce Blain (aka the Desk Sergeant) started following Mekia + Jeff Pierre on Twitter. Mekia followed him back. Among the recent following of Blain, there is also Nina Lopez-Corrado. Who's the director for 712 :)


      So basically, 712 = Tiana-centric with the return of the Desk Sergeant, Facilier, and the first appearance of Naveen.

      Of course, nothing is 100% confirmed (yet) but it is a lot of coincidences for just one episode :P

      They officially announced Pierre's casting as Naveen... Found out more than 3 months ago xD


      Finally, I was wondering when they were going to offically confirm what everyone already knew. XD

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    • I'm curious if we will get any other Princess and the Frog characters in this episode, besides Tiana, Naveen, Facilier, and Eudora. What do people think?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: I'm curious if we will get any other Princess and the Frog characters in this episode, besides Tiana, Naveen, Facilier, and Eudora. What do people think?

      I always wanted Mama Odie! Shame, because so far it doesn't look like we'll be seeing her...

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    • DeviousPeep wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: I'm curious if we will get any other Princess and the Frog characters in this episode, besides Tiana, Naveen, Facilier, and Eudora. What do people think?

      I always wanted Mama Odie! Shame, because so far it doesn't look like we'll be seeing her...

      We also don't know who any of the witches are yet though, so she still has a good chance.

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    • I'm very excited for this episode as I love Tiana and her movie! I'm positive Rapunzel will show up in flashback, it doesn't make sense to kill her off here, as it focuses on Tiana, and the next episode doesn't focus on a character close to Rapunzel either.

      Just please... make Tiana's plot tie into the main storyline, please! The biggest complain from people about 7x05 was that it was a filler, which means it's completely separate from the main plot, I know it introduced Dr. Facilier which is now recurring, but I hope Tiana gets to do more here since it's her last centric.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      I'm very excited for this episode as I love Tiana and her movie! I'm positive Rapunzel will show up in flashback, it doesn't make sense to kill her off here, as it focuses on Tiana, and the next episode doesn't focus on a character close to Rapunzel either.

      Just please... make Tiana's plot tie into the main storyline, please! The biggest complain from people about 7x05 was that it was a filler, which means it's completely separate from the main plot, I know it introduced Dr. Facilier which is now recurring, but I hope Tiana gets to do more here since it's her last centric.

      It's been mentioned above, but it might be similar to "Welcome to Storybrooke" where the flashbacks show us the beginning of Hyperion Heights from Victoria's viewpoint, and the present scenes could be showing us what's going on with Tiana.

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    • I know this sounds odd, but I have a theory that Naveen is the child of Dr. Facilier and a princess or queen. His tragic past involves being raised by Dr. Facilier. Dr. Facilier’s redemption is therefore driven by the need to reunite with his son Naveen.

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    • Calibaz wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      I'm very excited for this episode as I love Tiana and her movie! I'm positive Rapunzel will show up in flashback, it doesn't make sense to kill her off here, as it focuses on Tiana, and the next episode doesn't focus on a character close to Rapunzel either.

      Just please... make Tiana's plot tie into the main storyline, please! The biggest complain from people about 7x05 was that it was a filler, which means it's completely separate from the main plot, I know it introduced Dr. Facilier which is now recurring, but I hope Tiana gets to do more here since it's her last centric.

      It's been mentioned above, but it might be similar to "Welcome to Storybrooke" where the flashbacks show us the beginning of Hyperion Heights from Victoria's viewpoint, and the present scenes could be showing us what's going on with Tiana.

      Interesting. Could it be? But the flashback would focus on Victoria, right? I thought there was another Tiana flashback, but this could be more intriguing. I still think Victoria dies in 7x11 though.

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    • Calibaz wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      I'm very excited for this episode as I love Tiana and her movie! I'm positive Rapunzel will show up in flashback, it doesn't make sense to kill her off here, as it focuses on Tiana, and the next episode doesn't focus on a character close to Rapunzel either.

      Just please... make Tiana's plot tie into the main storyline, please! The biggest complain from people about 7x05 was that it was a filler, which means it's completely separate from the main plot, I know it introduced Dr. Facilier which is now recurring, but I hope Tiana gets to do more here since it's her last centric.

      It's been mentioned above, but it might be similar to "Welcome to Storybrooke" where the flashbacks show us the beginning of Hyperion Heights from Victoria's viewpoint, and the present scenes could be showing us what's going on with Tiana.

      It's a Tiana centric, so the FB is almost 100% guarenteed to be Tiana focused. Besides, why do we need to see the beginning of HH? The only reason we needed to see the beginning of SB was so we could see Kurt and Owen Flynn.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote: I know this sounds odd, but I have a theory that Naveen is the child of Dr. Facilier and a princess or queen. His tragic past involves being raised by Dr. Facilier. Dr. Facilier’s redemption is therefore driven by the need to reunite with his son Naveen.

      My comment has been totally ignored.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote: I know this sounds odd, but I have a theory that Naveen is the child of Dr. Facilier and a princess or queen. His tragic past involves being raised by Dr. Facilier. Dr. Facilier’s redemption is therefore driven by the need to reunite with his son Naveen.

      My comment has been totally ignored.

      It wasn't ignored. I read it, and had nothing to say about it. If you really want a comment about it: I disagree, I don't think Facilier and Naveen will be related.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote: I know this sounds odd, but I have a theory that Naveen is the child of Dr. Facilier and a princess or queen. His tragic past involves being raised by Dr. Facilier. Dr. Facilier’s redemption is therefore driven by the need to reunite with his son Naveen.

      My comment has been totally ignored.

      Because the theory is kinda unlikely. By the way, I don't know where the theory that this episode is about HH's first days came from, but it would be interesting... and it would tie into Victoria's death in the previous episode.

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    • Trying to figure out FBs. I think this one will be focused on Tiana, Naveen, and Facilier over the 8 years Drizella is frozen.

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    • Yeah, I think this will follow-up Facilier and lead to Tiana becoming Queen (and meeting Naveen, etc). She's Queen when Lucy's 8, so I'm guessing that her mom's in a better place, but then again, Sabine mentions her mom and makes it seems like she's alive, but just not seen.

      Just setting up Facilier's return (which either is some pay-off for the Coven as well, or just for Regina and wrapping up Tiana's stuff).

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Yeah, I think this will follow-up Facilier and lead to Tiana becoming Queen (and meeting Naveen, etc). She's Queen when Lucy's 8, so I'm guessing that her mom's in a better place, but then again, Sabine mentions her mom and makes it seems like she's alive, but just not seen.

      I don't think it's unreasonable that Eudora would step aside to take a more background role while Tiana leads. She did, after all, encourage Tiana to lead the rebellion and didn't step in to do that herself.

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    • I think the promo had stuff from multiple upcoming episodes, but some of it had to be for this episode, so feel free to discuss.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I think the promo had stuff from multiple upcoming episodes, but some of it had to be for this episode, so feel free to discuss.

      Alice with the candle is definitely 714. The dead body at 0:22 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oJr3PCrHiY) is prolly another coven witch who was killed by the witch hunter. 

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I think the promo had stuff from multiple upcoming episodes, but some of it had to be for this episode, so feel free to discuss.

      Alice with the candle is definitely 714. The dead body at 0:22 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oJr3PCrHiY) is prolly another coven witch who was killed by the witch hunter. 

      That is Dr. Sage. But honestly Im kind of angry since I thought all the witches’ identities would be revealed

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I think the promo had stuff from multiple upcoming episodes, but some of it had to be for this episode, so feel free to discuss.
      Alice with the candle is definitely 714. The dead body at 0:22 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oJr3PCrHiY) is prolly another coven witch who was killed by the witch hunter. 
      That is Dr. Sage. But honestly Im kind of angry since I thought all the witches’ identities would be revealed

      That is clearly not Doctor Sage.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I think the promo had stuff from multiple upcoming episodes, but some of it had to be for this episode, so feel free to discuss.
      Alice with the candle is definitely 714. The dead body at 0:22 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oJr3PCrHiY) is prolly another coven witch who was killed by the witch hunter. 
      That is Dr. Sage. But honestly Im kind of angry since I thought all the witches’ identities would be revealed

      We still have 11 episodes left. They will be.

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    • Where is that Hook flashback supposed to take place? There are guns, and Smee is there...

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    • Leroiblanc wrote:
      Where is that Hook flashback supposed to take place? There are guns, and Smee is there...

      This promo was not just 712 scenes. That Hook flashback is prolly 713.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I think the promo had stuff from multiple upcoming episodes, but some of it had to be for this episode, so feel free to discuss.
      Alice with the candle is definitely 714. The dead body at 0:22 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oJr3PCrHiY) is prolly another coven witch who was killed by the witch hunter. 
      That is Dr. Sage. But honestly Im kind of angry since I thought all the witches’ identities would be revealed

      We still have 11 episodes left. They will be.

      Not if they’re dead.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:


      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I think the promo had stuff from multiple upcoming episodes, but some of it had to be for this episode, so feel free to discuss.
      Alice with the candle is definitely 714. The dead body at 0:22 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oJr3PCrHiY) is prolly another coven witch who was killed by the witch hunter. 
      That is Dr. Sage. But honestly Im kind of angry since I thought all the witches’ identities would be revealed
      We still have 11 episodes left. They will be.
      Not if they’re dead.

      We have flashbacks. "Sisterhood" is coming, don't worry. I think that's supposed to be a farewell party to Drizella + Coven.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:


      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I think the promo had stuff from multiple upcoming episodes, but some of it had to be for this episode, so feel free to discuss.
      Alice with the candle is definitely 714. The dead body at 0:22 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oJr3PCrHiY) is prolly another coven witch who was killed by the witch hunter. 
      That is Dr. Sage. But honestly Im kind of angry since I thought all the witches’ identities would be revealed
      We still have 11 episodes left. They will be.
      Not if they’re dead.

      You know how flashbacks are like a major part of this show, right? We will see them in those flashbacks.

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    • How do you know there's a witch hunt? We don't know if he/she is a witch hunter, and that doctor wasn't even a witch.

      The coven witches will be shown, I think.

      EDIT: I rewatched the promo, and there's a witch hunt XD. Those witches aren't the coven, maybe one of them or two, but not all. 

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    • Truest Believer wrote:
      How do you know there's a witch hunt? We don't know if he/she is a witch hunter, and that doctor wasn't even a witch.

      The coven witches will be shown, I think.

      It was in the new promo and it has been said officially in the spoiler room things.

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    • Truest Believer wrote:
      How do you know there's a witch hunt? We don't know if he/she is a witch hunter, and that doctor wasn't even a witch.

      The coven witches will be shown, I think.

      It was confirmed in interviews that there is a "serial killer" hunting witches. 

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    • I think that was Naveen we saw falling off the rowboat in The scene of the promo with Tiana, and also a alligator or crocodile was the cause of it.

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    • The clip with older Hook in the promo is from 7x13 right? Seems they put a couple of eps together in one promo. Why though?

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    • Calibaz wrote:
      The clip with older Hook in the promo is from 7x13 right? Seems they put a couple of eps together in one promo. Why though?

      ABC does that occationally. They teased Aladdin and Jasmine for like 4 weeks.

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    • Putting clips from episodes that aren't 7x12 is a bit confusing because it doesn't really tells us what the episode will be about and instead tells us what the next few episodes are about.

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    • Return of Facilier? He really was upset that the witches didn’t let him join.

      Note that Leota was trapped between two world just as Facilier (Though Facilier lucked out keeping his body).

      Looks though to be a meh episode to introduce Naveen and reintroduce of Facilier.

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    • I hope it's not meh just because it's about Tiana and they didn't bother to tease it in a proper promo, but okay. The Princess and the Frog deserves more.

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    • I think this one won't be as Tiana focused as 705. It looks like Ella/Jacinda and Henry are getting a bit of focus in this as well. But we should be seeing Naveen, Facilier, and Eudora (I think she's in this episode, not 713) as well, so it will still be somewhat Princess and the Frog focused.

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    • I think I know who killed the nurse at the end of the previous episode.

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    • 123Raura wrote:
      I think I know who killed the nurse at the end of the previous episode.

      Who do you think it is?

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      123Raura wrote:
      I think I know who killed the nurse at the end of the previous episode.
      Who do you think it is?

      I think it's Jack. To me it makes sense because of the timing - the nurse finds out the Henry is Lucy's father, and takes a sip from a poisoned bottle, and dies, meaning the nurse died because she knew too much. And who's the one person who would not want the nurse's discovery (Henry is Lucy's biological father and not Nick.)? The person posing as Lucy's father - Nick. 

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    • 123Raura wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      123Raura wrote:
      I think I know who killed the nurse at the end of the previous episode.
      Who do you think it is?
      I think it's Jack. To me it makes sense because of the timing - the nurse finds out the Henry is Lucy's father, and takes a sip from a poisoned bottle, and dies, meaning the nurse died because she knew too much. And who's the one person who would not want the nurse's discovery (Henry is Lucy's biological father and not Nick.)? The person posing as Lucy's father - Nick. 

      She's a doctor, not a nurse, but I agree with this reasoning.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      123Raura wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      123Raura wrote:
      I think I know who killed the nurse at the end of the previous episode.
      Who do you think it is?
      I think it's Jack. To me it makes sense because of the timing - the nurse finds out the Henry is Lucy's father, and takes a sip from a poisoned bottle, and dies, meaning the nurse died because she knew too much. And who's the one person who would not want the nurse's discovery (Henry is Lucy's biological father and not Nick.)? The person posing as Lucy's father - Nick. 
      She's a doctor, not a nurse, but I agree with this reasoning.

      Although, if the producers are going for twists we never see coming, another interesting theory is that the killer could be Robin. 

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    • 123Raura wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      123Raura wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      123Raura wrote:
      I think I know who killed the nurse at the end of the previous episode.
      Who do you think it is?
      I think it's Jack. To me it makes sense because of the timing - the nurse finds out the Henry is Lucy's father, and takes a sip from a poisoned bottle, and dies, meaning the nurse died because she knew too much. And who's the one person who would not want the nurse's discovery (Henry is Lucy's biological father and not Nick.)? The person posing as Lucy's father - Nick. 
      She's a doctor, not a nurse, but I agree with this reasoning.
      Although, if the producers are going for twists we never see coming, another interesting theory is that the killer could be Robin. 

      Isn't Jack cursed to think he is the father though? He wouldn't know about Henry actually being the father, would he? If anything, if he wasn't cursed, he would want Henry to find out since they were friends in the Enchanted Forest flashbacks.

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    • GarretW1797 wrote:

      123Raura wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      123Raura wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      123Raura wrote:
      I think I know who killed the nurse at the end of the previous episode.
      Who do you think it is?
      I think it's Jack. To me it makes sense because of the timing - the nurse finds out the Henry is Lucy's father, and takes a sip from a poisoned bottle, and dies, meaning the nurse died because she knew too much. And who's the one person who would not want the nurse's discovery (Henry is Lucy's biological father and not Nick.)? The person posing as Lucy's father - Nick. 
      She's a doctor, not a nurse, but I agree with this reasoning.
      Although, if the producers are going for twists we never see coming, another interesting theory is that the killer could be Robin. 

      Isn't Jack cursed to think he is the father though? He wouldn't know about Henry actually being the father, would he? If anything, if he wasn't cursed, he would want Henry to find out since they were friends in the Enchanted Forest flashbacks.

      But the persons hand had dark skin. It’s Dr. Hansel Facilier. My prediction is coming true.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      GarretW1797 wrote:

      123Raura wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      123Raura wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      123Raura wrote:
      I think I know who killed the nurse at the end of the previous episode.
      Who do you think it is?
      I think it's Jack. To me it makes sense because of the timing - the nurse finds out the Henry is Lucy's father, and takes a sip from a poisoned bottle, and dies, meaning the nurse died because she knew too much. And who's the one person who would not want the nurse's discovery (Henry is Lucy's biological father and not Nick.)? The person posing as Lucy's father - Nick. 
      She's a doctor, not a nurse, but I agree with this reasoning.
      Although, if the producers are going for twists we never see coming, another interesting theory is that the killer could be Robin. 
      Isn't Jack cursed to think he is the father though? He wouldn't know about Henry actually being the father, would he? If anything, if he wasn't cursed, he would want Henry to find out since they were friends in the Enchanted Forest flashbacks.
      But the persons hand had dark skin. It’s Dr. Hansel Facilier. My prediction is coming true.

      The person's hand was wearing a glove, we couldn't see their skin.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      GarretW1797 wrote:

      123Raura wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      123Raura wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      123Raura wrote:
      I think I know who killed the nurse at the end of the previous episode.
      Who do you think it is?
      I think it's Jack. To me it makes sense because of the timing - the nurse finds out the Henry is Lucy's father, and takes a sip from a poisoned bottle, and dies, meaning the nurse died because she knew too much. And who's the one person who would not want the nurse's discovery (Henry is Lucy's biological father and not Nick.)? The person posing as Lucy's father - Nick. 
      She's a doctor, not a nurse, but I agree with this reasoning.
      Although, if the producers are going for twists we never see coming, another interesting theory is that the killer could be Robin. 
      Isn't Jack cursed to think he is the father though? He wouldn't know about Henry actually being the father, would he? If anything, if he wasn't cursed, he would want Henry to find out since they were friends in the Enchanted Forest flashbacks.
      But the persons hand had dark skin. It’s Dr. Hansel Facilier. My prediction is coming true.

      Those were gloves. 

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    • GarretW1797 wrote:

      Isn't Jack cursed to think he is the father though? He wouldn't know about Henry actually being the father, would he? If anything, if he wasn't cursed, he would want Henry to find out since they were friends in the Enchanted Forest flashbacks.

      Well, there's no reason that Jack can't been acting as "Nick Branson" this whole time. He could be another Drizella, pretending to be a cursed person but has ulterior motives.

      So far, we literally know nothing about Jack from the EF2 days, other than Henry and him fought giants together once. He might have been genuinely friends with Henry in the EF2, but if he has a vendetta against witches, that might take priority over caring about his friend.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      GarretW1797 wrote:

      Isn't Jack cursed to think he is the father though? He wouldn't know about Henry actually being the father, would he? If anything, if he wasn't cursed, he would want Henry to find out since they were friends in the Enchanted Forest flashbacks.

      Well, there's no reason that Jack can't been acting as "Nick Branson" this whole time. He could be another Drizella, pretending to be a cursed person but has ulterior motives.

      So far, we literally know nothing about Jack from the EF2 days, other than Henry and him fought giants together once. He might have been genuinely friends with Henry in the EF2, but if he has a vendetta against witches, that might take priority over caring about his friend.

      Exactly!

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      GarretW1797 wrote:

      Isn't Jack cursed to think he is the father though? He wouldn't know about Henry actually being the father, would he? If anything, if he wasn't cursed, he would want Henry to find out since they were friends in the Enchanted Forest flashbacks.

      Well, there's no reason that Jack can't been acting as "Nick Branson" this whole time. He could be another Drizella, pretending to be a cursed person but has ulterior motives.

      So far, we literally know nothing about Jack from the EF2 days, other than Henry and him fought giants together once. He might have been genuinely friends with Henry in the EF2, but if he has a vendetta against witches, that might take priority over caring about his friend.

      Yep, this. Plus, Henry and Ella are cursed, if Jack tries to tell them they are husband and wife and Lucy is their daughter, he's just going to sound like a crazy person to them.

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    • I don't know why the person would need to kill the doctor to hide Henry's paternity... Since Gothel sacrificed Rapunzel/Tremaine/Belfrey, the curse was broken.  Right?

      What would then stop Regina from immediately waking Henry and Jacinda up like she did Zelena in the spinning studio?  Then they would know who each other was...

      Nick has to have some role but not sure if he is the witch hunter.  I tend to think it was either Naveen or Facilier in the gloves only because if we would have seen the man hands with darker skin tone everyone would have immediately known it was him- this way it still puts that seed of doubt in your head.  Either one would make a justifiable witch hunter, albiet for different reasons.  Leaning toward Naveen, and Facilier is the Red Herring.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      GarretW1797 wrote:

      Isn't Jack cursed to think he is the father though? He wouldn't know about Henry actually being the father, would he? If anything, if he wasn't cursed, he would want Henry to find out since they were friends in the Enchanted Forest flashbacks.

      Well, there's no reason that Jack can't been acting as "Nick Branson" this whole time. He could be another Drizella, pretending to be a cursed person but has ulterior motives.

      So far, we literally know nothing about Jack from the EF2 days, other than Henry and him fought giants together once. He might have been genuinely friends with Henry in the EF2, but if he has a vendetta against witches, that might take priority over caring about his friend.

      Yep, this. Plus, Henry and Ella are cursed, if Jack tries to tell them they are husband and wife and Lucy is their daughter, he's just going to sound like a crazy person to them.

      And if they share True Love's Kiss, Henry dies. Jack could be pretending to have a thing for Jacinda to keep her from ending up with Henry.

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    • Suburbanprincess wrote:
      I don't know why the person would need to kill the doctor to hide Henry's paternity... Since Gothel sacrificed Rapunzel/Tremaine/Belfrey, the curse was broken.  Right?

      What would then stop Regina from immediately waking Henry and Jacinda up like she did Zelena in the spinning studio?  Then they would know who each other was...

      Nick has to have some role but not sure if he is the witch hunter.  I tend to think it was either Naveen or Facilier in the gloves only because if we would have seen the man hands with darker skin tone everyone would have immediately known it was him- this way it still puts that seed of doubt in your head.  Either one would make a justifiable witch hunter, albiet for different reasons.  Leaning toward Naveen, and Facilier is the Red Herring.

      The curse was not broken when Victoria died. Why would it?

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    • The thing is, if it's Facilier or Naveen, we will probably find out -- or at least be heavily hinted a la Alice-is-Hook's-daughter -- in this episode. Adam and Eddy did say we'd find out "sooner than we think", but one episode later? Seems a bit ridiculous.

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    • Hey guys is it just me or dint we see a crocodile in 7x12 "A Taste of the Heights" trailer when he ran down the boat on wich Naveen and Tiana were in.This means " Real crocodile" is coming,wich makes sense since this will be Hook/Titana centric i think.

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    • Is the press release out already?

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    • Kunica wrote:
      Hey guys is it just me or dint we see a crocodile in 7x12 "A Taste of the Heights" trailer when he ran down the boat on wich Naveen and Tiana were in.This means " Real crocodile" is coming,wich makes sense since this will be Hook/Titana centric i think.

      Nah, it is clearly a reference to Louis from Princess and the Frog. I don't think it has to do with Hook.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      Hey guys is it just me or dint we see a crocodile in 7x12 "A Taste of the Heights" trailer when he ran down the boat on wich Naveen and Tiana were in.This means " Real crocodile" is coming,wich makes sense since this will be Hook/Titana centric i think.
      Nah, it is clearly a reference to Louis from Princess and the Frog. I don't think it has to do with Hook.

      Maybe but remmber that this will also be a Hook centric ,who knows.But i guess your right,Princess and the Frog also has a crocodile.

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    • Kunica wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      Hey guys is it just me or dint we see a crocodile in 7x12 "A Taste of the Heights" trailer when he ran down the boat on wich Naveen and Tiana were in.This means " Real crocodile" is coming,wich makes sense since this will be Hook/Titana centric i think.
      Nah, it is clearly a reference to Louis from Princess and the Frog. I don't think it has to do with Hook.
      Maybe but remmber that this will also be a Hook centric ,who knows.But i guess your right,Princess and the Frog also has a crocodile.

      This isn't necessarily a Hook centric. Hook already has centrics in 13 and 16. I doubt he'll have 12, too. The scenes in the promo were likely from 13.

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    • Kunica wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      Hey guys is it just me or dint we see a crocodile in 7x12 "A Taste of the Heights" trailer when he ran down the boat on wich Naveen and Tiana were in.This means " Real crocodile" is coming,wich makes sense since this will be Hook/Titana centric i think.
      Nah, it is clearly a reference to Louis from Princess and the Frog. I don't think it has to do with Hook.

      Maybe but remmber that this will also be a Hook centric ,who knows.But i guess your right,Princess and the Frog also has a crocodile.

      Louis is not a Crocodile, he's an alligator. And he wasn't only one. There were others that attacked Tiana and Naveen before they met Louis in the morning.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Kunica wrote:
      Hey guys is it just me or dint we see a crocodile in 7x12 "A Taste of the Heights" trailer when he ran down the boat on wich Naveen and Tiana were in.This means " Real crocodile" is coming,wich makes sense since this will be Hook/Titana centric i think.

      Nah, it is clearly a reference to Louis from Princess and the Frog. I don't think it has to do with Hook.

      Not just Louis, the other gators too that attacked Frog Naveen and Frog Tiana before they met Louis the next day, I might add.

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:

      Kunica wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      Hey guys is it just me or dint we see a crocodile in 7x12 "A Taste of the Heights" trailer when he ran down the boat on wich Naveen and Tiana were in.This means " Real crocodile" is coming,wich makes sense since this will be Hook/Titana centric i think.
      Nah, it is clearly a reference to Louis from Princess and the Frog. I don't think it has to do with Hook.
      Maybe but remmber that this will also be a Hook centric ,who knows.But i guess your right,Princess and the Frog also has a crocodile.
      Louis is not a Crocodile, he's an alligator. And he wasn't only one. There were others that attacked Tiana and Naveen before they met Louis in the morning.

      I know. Kunica is the one that said there was a crocodile in the promo. It could be an alligator ^^ 

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Kunica wrote:
      Hey guys is it just me or dint we see a crocodile in 7x12 "A Taste of the Heights" trailer when he ran down the boat on wich Naveen and Tiana were in.This means " Real crocodile" is coming,wich makes sense since this will be Hook/Titana centric i think.
      Nah, it is clearly a reference to Louis from Princess and the Frog. I don't think it has to do with Hook.
      Not just Louis, the other gators too that attacked Frog Naveen and Frog Tiana before they met Louis the next day, I might add.

      TIAB in this writers ONCE version Louis may become crocodile since the events and this creature arent in "real world where New Orleans" is located and were aligators are as well located.This will be reimagned and new version of both eithere Louis or Tick-Tack crocodile,so Louis in this version can be eithere a croc or gator since its set in a New Fairy Tale land world and not our own.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      Hey guys is it just me or dint we see a crocodile in 7x12 "A Taste of the Heights" trailer when he ran down the boat on wich Naveen and Tiana were in.This means " Real crocodile" is coming,wich makes sense since this will be Hook/Titana centric i think.
      Nah, it is clearly a reference to Louis from Princess and the Frog. I don't think it has to do with Hook.
      Maybe but remmber that this will also be a Hook centric ,who knows.But i guess your right,Princess and the Frog also has a crocodile.
      This isn't necessarily a Hook centric. Hook already has centrics in 13 and 16. I doubt he'll have 12, too. The scenes in the promo were likely from 13.

      Possibly your theory and assumption maybe correct,but i doubt they were from 13 ep i belive they were just Hook flashback in 12 ep ,eithere way will see .

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    • Press release is out!

      ROGERS AND WEAVER UNVEIL A SHOCKING DISCOVERY, AND TIANA ENCOUNTERS A PRINCE, ON ABC’S ‘ONCE UPON A TIME’

      “A Taste of the Heights” – On the day of Tiana’s coronation, a confrontation with Dr. Facilier compels her to take a trip through the Bayou, where a surprising encounter changes her life and the hunt for an alligator takes a dark turn. In Hyperion Heights, Sabine reconnects with an old friend whose plans could jeopardize her culinary dreams. Meanwhile, Rogers and Weaver investigate a Blind Witch, leading them to a shocking discovery about The Coven, on “Once Upon a Time,” FRIDAY, MARCH 9 (8:00–9:01 p.m. EDT), on The ABC Television Network, streaming and on demand.  

      “Once Upon a Time” stars Lana Parrilla as Regina/Roni, Robert Carlyle as Rumpelstiltskin/Weaver, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook/Rogers, Andrew J. West as Henry Mills, Gabrielle Anwar as Lady Tremaine/Victoria Belfrey, Dania Ramirez as Cinderella/Jacinda, Alison Fernandez as Lucy, and Mekia Cox as Sabine/Tiana.

      Guest starring in this episode are Rebecca Mader as Zelena/Kelly, Robin Givens as Eudora, Daniel Francis as Dr. Facilier/Mr. Samdi, Jeff Pierre as Hunter/Naveen/Drew, Trevor Roberts as Remy, and Chilton Crane as Hilda

      “A Taste of the Heights” was written by David H. Goodman & Brigitte Hales, and directed by Nina Lopez-Corrado.

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    • Well, I guess Tiana was randomly coronated to be Queen.

      Knew that the baker lady/dead blonde in the apron was NEF Blind Witch.

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    • Who are Remy and Hilda? Is Remy a reference to Ratatouille? Is it just a reference to Ratatouille... 

      Another Blind Witch is a bit surprising, considering how well recieved the original's was (I myself personally loved it). 

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    • Remy has been in about 3 episodes already. Hilda is probably the Blind Witch.

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    • Oh so the Blind Witch ties into Tiana and the whole culinary thing? Nice... if only she wasn't already dead. I was hoping they would use this Blind Witch more.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Remy has been in about 3 episodes already.

      Oh, is he Jacinda's boss?

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    • ONCEFanandHappyHippo wrote:
      Press release is out!

      ROGERS AND WEAVER UNVEIL A SHOCKING DISCOVERY, AND TIANA ENCOUNTERS A PRINCE, ON ABC’S ‘ONCE UPON A TIME’

      “A Taste of the Heights” – On the day of Tiana’s coronation, a confrontation with Dr. Facilier compels her to take a trip through the Bayou, where a surprising encounter changes her life and the hunt for an alligator takes a dark turn. In Hyperion Heights, Sabine reconnects with an old friend whose plans could jeopardize her culinary dreams. Meanwhile, Rogers and Weaver investigate a Blind Witch, leading them to a shocking discovery about The Coven, on “Once Upon a Time,” FRIDAY, MARCH 9 (8:00–9:01 p.m. EDT), on The ABC Television Network, streaming and on demand.  

      “Once Upon a Time” stars Lana Parrilla as Regina/Roni, Robert Carlyle as Rumpelstiltskin/Weaver, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook/Rogers, Andrew J. West as Henry Mills, Gabrielle Anwar as Lady Tremaine/Victoria Belfrey, Dania Ramirez as Cinderella/Jacinda, Alison Fernandez as Lucy, and Mekia Cox as Sabine/Tiana.

      Guest starring in this episode are Rebecca Mader as Zelena/Kelly, Robin Givens as Eudora, Daniel Francis as Dr. Facilier/Mr. Samdi, Jeff Pierre as Hunter/Naveen/Drew, Trevor Roberts as Remy, and Chilton Crane as Hilda

      “A Taste of the Heights” was written by David H. Goodman & Brigitte Hales, and directed by Nina Lopez-Corrado.

      So Tiana and Naveen will after all meet alligator Louis ok,but what dose that" hunt for aligator phrase" mean.Dose it mean this gator protects or has a magical relic or artifact againts Faciler or something eles related.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Remy has been in about 3 episodes already. Hilda is probably the Blind Witch.

      So it seems like Naveen's persona is named Drew. 

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    • Didn't Eddy and Adam say that there would be no other new iterations of the characters ? So why a new Blind Witch ? Especially to kill her so quickly, and with the first one being so amazing !
      EDIT : Hilda must be her HH counterpart.

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    • CaptainCobra wrote:
      Didn't Eddy and Adam say that there would be no other new iterations of the characters ? So why a new Blind Witch ? Especially to kill her so quickly, and with the first one being so amazing !
       

      EDIT : Hilda must be her HH counterpart.

      Where did they say that?

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    • They didn't. They said close things though:

      > No new iterations of Sleeping Beauty and Little Mermaid

      > The coven not having characters from seasons 1-6, not including new iterations

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    • Sorry, I didn't remember the entire thing. God it'll be hard for her to make a biggest impression than the first one, especially if she's just a co-star like Leota last week.

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    • CaptainCobra wrote:
      Sorry, I didn't remember the entire thing. God it'll be hard for her to make a biggest impression than the first one, especially if she's just a co-star like Leota last week.

      I think she's gonna die half-way in the episode and probably won't appear in the flashbacks. They didn't even bother making her name Blind Witch/Hilda, and the only reference to her EF identity is in the press release.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      TIAB1234 wrote:

      Kunica wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      Hey guys is it just me or dint we see a crocodile in 7x12 "A Taste of the Heights" trailer when he ran down the boat on wich Naveen and Tiana were in.This means " Real crocodile" is coming,wich makes sense since this will be Hook/Titana centric i think.
      Nah, it is clearly a reference to Louis from Princess and the Frog. I don't think it has to do with Hook.
      Maybe but remmber that this will also be a Hook centric ,who knows.But i guess your right,Princess and the Frog also has a crocodile.
      Louis is not a Crocodile, he's an alligator. And he wasn't only one. There were others that attacked Tiana and Naveen before they met Louis in the morning.

      I know. Kunica is the one that said there was a crocodile in the promo. It could be an alligator ^^ 

      I already know Kunica was the one that said Crocodile. And I never said anything about you calling them crocs. That's why I answered him, not you. You replied in the wrong comment sorry to say.

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    • Kunica wrote:

      TIAB1234 wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Kunica wrote:
      Hey guys is it just me or dint we see a crocodile in 7x12 "A Taste of the Heights" trailer when he ran down the boat on wich Naveen and Tiana were in.This means " Real crocodile" is coming,wich makes sense since this will be Hook/Titana centric i think.
      Nah, it is clearly a reference to Louis from Princess and the Frog. I don't think it has to do with Hook.
      Not just Louis, the other gators too that attacked Frog Naveen and Frog Tiana before they met Louis the next day, I might add.

      TIAB in this writers ONCE version Louis may become crocodile since the events and this creature arent in "real world where New Orleans" is located and were aligators are as well located.This will be reimagned and new version of both eithere Louis or Tick-Tack crocodile,so Louis in this version can be eithere a croc or gator since its set in a New Fairy Tale land world and not our own.

      I wasn't replying to you in this comment, and I didn't say that Louis is not a Crocodile in the show, I said not a gator in the movie. You misunderstood me. But now thanks to the press release, it's official that this is a alligator.
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    • CaptainCobra wrote: Didn't Eddy and Adam say that there would be no other new iterations of the characters ? So why a new Blind Witch ? Especially to kill her so quickly, and with the first one being so amazing !
      EDIT : Hilda must be her HH counterpart.

      Well obviously the showrunners lied again. Just like they did with others such as the dark swan arc.

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:

      CaptainCobra wrote: Didn't Eddy and Adam say that there would be no other new iterations of the characters ? So why a new Blind Witch ? Especially to kill her so quickly, and with the first one being so amazing !
      EDIT : Hilda must be her HH counterpart.

      Well obviously the showrunners lied again. Just like they did with others such as the dark swan arc.

      No, they didn’t lie this time. Adam and Eddy simply said there wouldn’t be new iterations of certain characters, like Snow White, etc.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      TIAB1234 wrote:

      CaptainCobra wrote: Didn't Eddy and Adam say that there would be no other new iterations of the characters ? So why a new Blind Witch ? Especially to kill her so quickly, and with the first one being so amazing !
      EDIT : Hilda must be her HH counterpart.

      Well obviously the showrunners lied again. Just like they did with others such as the dark swan arc.

      No, they didn’t lie this time. Adam and Eddy simply said there wouldn’t be new iterations of certain characters, like Snow White, etc.

      If that was so not lying, then there wouldn't be any mention of a blind Witch. Never trust everything they say all the time.

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    • TIAB1234 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      TIAB1234 wrote:

      CaptainCobra wrote: Didn't Eddy and Adam say that there would be no other new iterations of the characters ? So why a new Blind Witch ? Especially to kill her so quickly, and with the first one being so amazing !
      EDIT : Hilda must be her HH counterpart.

      Well obviously the showrunners lied again. Just like they did with others such as the dark swan arc.

      No, they didn’t lie this time. Adam and Eddy simply said there wouldn’t be new iterations of certain characters, like Snow White, etc.

      If that was so not lying, then there wouldn't be any mention of a blind Witch. Never trust everything they say all the time.

      It’s more of being vague. They obviously had a new Rapunzel. So, this blind witch falls under new version of a minor character, which is something they didn’t say they wouldn’t do. (They are just not doing new versions of major characters and those they spent an arc on.)

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      TIAB1234 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      TIAB1234 wrote:

      CaptainCobra wrote: Didn't Eddy and Adam say that there would be no other new iterations of the characters ? So why a new Blind Witch ? Especially to kill her so quickly, and with the first one being so amazing !
      EDIT : Hilda must be her HH counterpart.

      Well obviously the showrunners lied again. Just like they did with others such as the dark swan arc.

      No, they didn’t lie this time. Adam and Eddy simply said there wouldn’t be new iterations of certain characters, like Snow White, etc.

      If that was so not lying, then there wouldn't be any mention of a blind Witch. Never trust everything they say all the time.

      It’s more of being vague. They obviously had a new Rapunzel. So, this blind witch falls under new version of a minor character, which is something they didn’t say they wouldn’t do. (They are just not doing new versions of major characters and those they spent an arc on.)

      No matter, showrunners are not all so honest sometimes. Just like recently Dave Filoni (the creator of Rebels and Clone Wars) just lied in saying Darth Sidious will not appear in s4 of rebels before the dark lord officially appeared.

      But anyway, wonder what other identity or story this blind witch could be or from. In the scene in the Promo, Rumple and Hook found another dead body, and I wonder if it is her or someone else.

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    • Kunica wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      Hey guys is it just me or dint we see a crocodile in 7x12 "A Taste of the Heights" trailer when he ran down the boat on wich Naveen and Tiana were in.This means " Real crocodile" is coming,wich makes sense since this will be Hook/Titana centric i think.
      Nah, it is clearly a reference to Louis from Princess and the Frog. I don't think it has to do with Hook.
      Maybe but remmber that this will also be a Hook centric ,who knows.But i guess your right,Princess and the Frog also has a crocodile.
      This isn't necessarily a Hook centric. Hook already has centrics in 13 and 16. I doubt he'll have 12, too. The scenes in the promo were likely from 13.
      Possibly your theory and assumption maybe correct,but i doubt they were from 13 ep i belive they were just Hook flashback in 12 ep ,eithere way will see .

      Hook shooting the gun in the promo was 100% from episode 13. Trust me.

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    • CaptainCobra wrote:
      Didn't Eddy and Adam say that there would be no other new iterations of the characters ? So why a new Blind Witch ? Especially to kill her so quickly, and with the first one being so amazing !
       

      EDIT : Hilda must be her HH counterpart.

      They never said their wouldn't be other new iterations. Not sure where you got that from, but it wasn't Adam and Eddy.

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    • So breaking down the press release and cast list:

      We are getting a reference to Louis from The Princess and The Frog, along with seeing Naveen for the first time, and Tiana, Eudora, and Facilier again.

      They mention a blind witch, which could be Mama Odie, although if it is Hilda, the actress is a white, blonde lady, so that points more to Hansel and Gretel. Hansel and Gretel's witch also fits in with Sabine's cooking theme, as one of her main things was cooking children.

      Jeff has 3 credit names: Hunter, Naveen, and Drew. Wonder if that means he's the witch hunter, or if it means something else. Odd they would give that away in the credits though, unless their is more to this.

      As far as already seen non-Princess and the Frog related guests in the episode, we only have Zelena and Remy (and Remy also has to do with food in HH), so definitly a very Princess and the Frog focused episode overall.

      Guess we just wait for press pics and sneak peeks now.

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    • I'm surprised there is another Blind Witch

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    • I'm confused why everyone is so suprised that they are doing Hansel and Gretel again. That story was prime for a redo, it only showed up in one episode, and yeah sure, the Blind Witch was recurring in the Underworld, but she was basically Underworld Granny. Plus, we have an episode titled Breadcrumbs. With that title, I would be upset if we didn't get a new version of the Hansel and Gretel story.

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    • I doubt the Blind Witch will die in this episode. We still have Breadcrumbs coming up, after all. The dead blonde must be someone else... that, or even if she does die in present-day, she'll have enough of a presence to appear in someone's backstory. I just don't understand why they would introduce a character from Hansel & Gretel, immediately kill her off for good, and then four episodes later name an episode after a plot point from Hansel & Gretel.

      I'm inclined to say Naveen's cursed name will be Hunter, not Drew. Hunter Green is a color, after all. Drew could be an alias, like Marias/Robert.

      I wonder if Naveen is the serial killer? That would certainly put a wrench into Tiana's baking dream if she's working with him, lol.

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    • I'm super excited about the combination of the Princess and the Frog and Hansel and Gretel. I'm really curious to learn why Naveen is called both Drew and Hunter. The obvious answer is that he's the witch hunter, but I don't think that would be revealed in a press release. I'm also confused at other's being surprised at Hansel and Gretel 2.0. It's not like it was a major storyline or anything.

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    • Emillian Swanones wrote:
       I'm also confused at other's being surprised at Hansel and Gretel 2.0. It's not like it was a major storyline or anything.

      Ahm.. That's exactly why they chose it to be readapted?

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    • Well, here’s hoping for some last names and more witches.

      Sucks that that Witches’s nanes aren’t all plant based in HH, though the last name could be.

      Naveen is Drew. (Hunter sounds like what he’ll be until he introduces himself in the flashback). Drew and Sabine.

      Drew could be the Witch Hunter (or a fake out). We did see Rogers chasing Drew at some point in filming, right? Maybe a witch cursed him and his family or something. I mean, they already gave his story away to random extras and Tiana is the princess.

      Another addition to being the killer/takeout for Samdi, is that Tiana cooks. Blondie cooks. This is a Tiana, Naveen, Facilier episode. Connecting the dots...

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I doubt the Blind Witch will die in this episode. We still have Breadcrumbs coming up, after all. The dead blonde must be someone else... that, or even if she does die in present-day, she'll have enough of a presence to appear in someone's backstory. I just don't understand why they would introduce a character from Hansel & Gretel, immediately kill her off for good, and then four episodes later name an episode after a plot point from Hansel & Gretel.

      I'm inclined to say Naveen's cursed name will be Hunter, not Drew. Hunter Green is a color, after all. Drew could be an alias, like Marias/Robert.

      I wonder if Naveen is the serial killer? That would certainly put a wrench into Tiana's baking dream if she's working with him, lol.

      It could have been interesting had Zelena and "Hunter" were a thing...with the green 'n all.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Naveen is Drew. (Hunter sounds like what he’ll be until he introduces himself in the flashback). Drew and Sabine.

      Hunter makes much more sense for his cursed name. It's not just an occupation -- I know several Hunters -- and refers to a shade of green, i.e. frogs. Drew is connected to ghosts and means "to carry", and neither of those things is connected to Naveen.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      Naveen is Drew. (Hunter sounds like what he’ll be until he introduces himself in the flashback). Drew and Sabine.

      Hunter makes much more sense for his cursed name. It's not just an occupation -- I know several Hunters -- and refers to a shade of green, i.e. frogs. Drew is connected to ghosts and means "to carry", and neither of those things is connected to Naveen.

      Emma is credited as "Witch/Gothel/Eloise (Gardener)". Most of the time, they credit the fairytale counterpart first, then the cursed one.

      Also, Robert was not credited as Marias. Only as Robert.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Naveen is Drew. (Hunter sounds like what he’ll be until he introduces himself in the flashback). Drew and Sabine.
      Hunter makes much more sense for his cursed name. It's not just an occupation -- I know several Hunters -- and refers to a shade of green, i.e. frogs. Drew is connected to ghosts and means "to carry", and neither of those things is connected to Naveen.

      I bet you 156 Vials of Magic that Hunter relates to his flashback persona who'll precede his formal introduction (Naveen) as he hunts alligators.

      Awww, just realized Witch/Gothel/Eloise Gardener isn't in this episode.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm confused why everyone is so suprised that they are doing Hansel and Gretel again. 

      I'm not surprised they are doing Hansel and Gretel again, and of course, the Witch from the fairytale

      But I'm surprised they gave the character the exact same name and the actress even looks similar to Emma Caulfield

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm confused why everyone is so suprised that they are doing Hansel and Gretel again. 
      I'm not surprised they are doing Hansel and Gretel again, and of course, the Witch from the fairytale

      But I'm surprised they gave the character the exact same name and the actress even looks similar to Emma Caulfield

      "Same name"....um, Blind Witch isn't a name. Plus, we had two blind Witches in season 1 alone.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm confused why everyone is so suprised that they are doing Hansel and Gretel again. 
      I'm not surprised they are doing Hansel and Gretel again, and of course, the Witch from the fairytale

      But I'm surprised they gave the character the exact same name and the actress even looks similar to Emma Caulfield

      "Same name"....um, Blind Witch isn't a name. Plus, we had two blind Witches in season 1 alone.

      The one everyone's thinking of had no name at all, while the 102 Blind Witch was named Miss Ginger in Storybrooke. And this witch seems to be named Hilda in Hyperion Heights.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Naveen is Drew. (Hunter sounds like what he’ll be until he introduces himself in the flashback). Drew and Sabine.

      Oh, because he's hunting the alligator. Yep, that makes sense.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Naveen is Drew. (Hunter sounds like what he’ll be until he introduces himself in the flashback). Drew and Sabine.
      Hunter makes much more sense for his cursed name. It's not just an occupation -- I know several Hunters -- and refers to a shade of green, i.e. frogs. Drew is connected to ghosts and means "to carry", and neither of those things is connected to Naveen.
      I bet you 156 Vials of Magic that Hunter relates to his flashback persona who'll precede his formal introduction (Naveen) as he hunts alligators.

      Awww, just realized Witch/Gothel/Eloise Gardener isn't in this episode.

      Yep, no Gothel/Eloise, no Drizella/Ivy, no Alice/Tilly, no Jack/Nick, no Ana, no Robin. We know they are all in later episodes though, so I guess they can get one episode off. XD

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Yep, no Gothel/Eloise, no Drizella/Ivy, no Alice/Tilly, no Jack/Nick, no Ana, no Robin. We know they are all in later episodes though, so I guess they can get one episode off. XD

      Just don't want this episode to be "keeping up appearances" aka filler. Of course, we know it's a slightly more relavant portion and grows slightly more prominent, but I hope it's just establishing and not how itll be its own little thing that the main story pops in an out of.

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    • I wonder if this flashback takes place before or after Tiana becomes queen of the land. If it follows along with “Secret Garden” then it is in between those eight years since Lucy’s birth. I was hoping it could explain how her rebellion against the king succeeded, but it looks like it’s taking a different route.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:
      I wonder if this flashback takes place before or after Tiana becomes queen of the land. If it follows along with “Secret Garden” then it is in between those eight years since Lucy’s birth. I was hoping it could explain how her rebellion against the king succeeded, but it looks like it’s taking a different route.

      The synopsis literally says "on the day of Tiana’s coronation".

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Emillian Swanones wrote:
       I'm also confused at other's being surprised at Hansel and Gretel 2.0. It's not like it was a major storyline or anything.
      Ahm.. That's exactly why they chose it to be readapted?

      Huh?

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    • No Gothel, no Drizella and no Anastasia? This ep has filler written all over it

      Hope the Witch Hunter subplot will be as intetesting as it sounds but the rest... meh...

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    • Calibaz wrote:

      TheRose123 wrote:
      I wonder if this flashback takes place before or after Tiana becomes queen of the land. If it follows along with “Secret Garden” then it is in between those eight years since Lucy’s birth. I was hoping it could explain how her rebellion against the king succeeded, but it looks like it’s taking a different route.

      The synopsis literally says "on the day of Tiana’s coronation".

      I can’t believe I didn’t notice that XD.

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    • I don't know if I would call this episode filler per say, Tiana/Sabine, Naveen/Drew, and Facilier/Samdi are all going to be recurring characters in this half of the season, so they kind of had to have a centric for them.

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    • Yeah but it's kind of boring how most of the other recurring characters like Jack, Anastasia, Drizella, Alice, Robin and Gothel are not in it, even for small subplots. I wish they integrated Tiana into the main storyline.

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    • Episode looks interesting. 

      Even if they are re-doing Hansel and Gretel, the press release just names a blind witch, she could be anyone. 

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: Yeah but it's kind of boring how most of the other recurring characters like Jack, Anastasia, Drizella, Alice, Robin and Gothel are not in it, even for small subplots. I wish they integrated Tiana into the main storyline.

      Yep. If the Killer is revealed this episode, then it’ll definitely be between Facilier and Naveen.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote: Yeah but it's kind of boring how most of the other recurring characters like Jack, Anastasia, Drizella, Alice, Robin and Gothel are not in it, even for small subplots. I wish they integrated Tiana into the main storyline.

      Yep. If the Killer is revealed this episode, then it’ll definitely be between Facilier and Naveen.

      A&E said that the identity will be revealed as soon as we thought... Probably in this ep. I'm hoping for it to be Naveen, because I'm shipping Rogers and Sabine sooooo bad!!

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote: Yeah but it's kind of boring how most of the other recurring characters like Jack, Anastasia, Drizella, Alice, Robin and Gothel are not in it, even for small subplots. I wish they integrated Tiana into the main storyline.

      Yep. If the Killer is revealed this episode, then it’ll definitely be between Facilier and Naveen.
      A&E said that the identity will be revealed as soon as we thought... Probably in this ep. I'm hoping for it to be Naveen, because I'm shipping Rogers and Sabine sooooo bad!!

      I'm going to be a bit pricky and say "Why can't two people interact without being shipped together?"

      But I doubt they'll separate Naveen and Tiana. Nook is going to be alone forever.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote: Yeah but it's kind of boring how most of the other recurring characters like Jack, Anastasia, Drizella, Alice, Robin and Gothel are not in it, even for small subplots. I wish they integrated Tiana into the main storyline.

      Yep. If the Killer is revealed this episode, then it’ll definitely be between Facilier and Naveen.
      A&E said that the identity will be revealed as soon as we thought... Probably in this ep. I'm hoping for it to be Naveen, because I'm shipping Rogers and Sabine sooooo bad!!
      I'm going to be a bit pricky and say "Why can't two people interact without being shipped together?"

      But I doubt they'll separate Naveen and Tiana. Nook is going to be alone forever.

      Nook deserves better.... He is way better than Hook that, in my opinion, is the worst character in OUAT

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    • Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote: Yeah but it's kind of boring how most of the other recurring characters like Jack, Anastasia, Drizella, Alice, Robin and Gothel are not in it, even for small subplots. I wish they integrated Tiana into the main storyline.

      Yep. If the Killer is revealed this episode, then it’ll definitely be between Facilier and Naveen.
      A&E said that the identity will be revealed as soon as we thought... Probably in this ep. I'm hoping for it to be Naveen, because I'm shipping Rogers and Sabine sooooo bad!!
      I'm going to be a bit pricky and say "Why can't two people interact without being shipped together?"

      But I doubt they'll separate Naveen and Tiana. Nook is going to be alone forever.

      Nook deserves better.... He is way better than Hook that, in my opinion, is the worst character in OUAT

      They're pretty much the same person though. There are small differences in their mannerisms and such, but they're the same in every other way. Even their storylines have similarities such as they both searched for a way to kill the dark one, both had redemption arcs, and both gave up the Jolly Roger for the person they love. But if you want to think that Nook is great (which I agree he is) and Killian is horrible (even though they're almost exactly the same), you can. I'm not trying to change your opinion, but it frustrates me.

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    • Emillian Swanones wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Matheus1234zx wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote: Yeah but it's kind of boring how most of the other recurring characters like Jack, Anastasia, Drizella, Alice, Robin and Gothel are not in it, even for small subplots. I wish they integrated Tiana into the main storyline.

      Yep. If the Killer is revealed this episode, then it’ll definitely be between Facilier and Naveen.
      A&E said that the identity will be revealed as soon as we thought... Probably in this ep. I'm hoping for it to be Naveen, because I'm shipping Rogers and Sabine sooooo bad!!
      I'm going to be a bit pricky and say "Why can't two people interact without being shipped together?"

      But I doubt they'll separate Naveen and Tiana. Nook is going to be alone forever.

      Nook deserves better.... He is way better than Hook that, in my opinion, is the worst character in OUAT
      They're pretty much the same person though. There are small differences in their mannerisms and such, but they're the same in every other way. Even their storylines have similarities such as they both searched for a way to kill the dark one, both had redemption arcs, and both gave up the Jolly Roger for the person they love. But if you want to think that Nook is great (which I agree he is) and Killian is horrible (even though they're almost exactly the same), you can. I'm not trying to change your opinion, but it frustrates me.

      I know that u are a CS shipper, but what killed the show after season 4 was CS (IN MY OWN OPINION) and it's not because Emma didn't stayed with someone else. It's because it was badly done. It's not Colin's fault. He is a wonderful actor and I used to love Hook until season 3.... But after that.... he and his actions, his "redemption arc" that, in my opinion didn't happen as he, on the day of his marriage, still wanted revenge against Gold... For me, they aren't the same because, Nook is truly a hero, who regrets of his past. Who deserves a happy ending (hopefully with Tiana). What made he change from the sick sexist person that he was once, was his daughter Alice.... So, for me, they are completely opposite characters

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    • (MOD): Let’s not discuss “ships” and Hook and Nook’s character in this thread.

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    • http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:363641

      Created this thread to discuss Hook and Nook

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    • So are people excited to see how they adapt more of The Princess and The Frog? I kind of am, just because this story wasn't covered in Seasons 1 - 6.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: So are people excited to see how they adapt more of The Princess and The Frog? I kind of am, just because this story wasn't covered in Seasons 1 - 6.

      I’m more interested in what it has to offer to the world around it than to see it shown off for the funzies.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: So are people excited to see how they adapt more of The Princess and The Frog? I kind of am, just because this story wasn't covered in Seasons 1 - 6.

      I’m more interested in what it has to offer to the world around it than to see it shown off for the funzies.

      Well, yes, I want to see how Tiana's story plays into the wider world of the NEF as well, which I'm sure we will see at least a bit of, but based on the press release it seems the main focus of the FBs are going to be interpeting The Princess and The Frog plot and characters.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: So are people excited to see how they adapt more of The Princess and The Frog? I kind of am, just because this story wasn't covered in Seasons 1 - 6.

      I’m more interested in what it has to offer to the world around it than to see it shown off for the funzies.

      Well, yes, I want to see how Tiana's story plays into the wider world of the NEF as well, which I'm sure we will see at least a bit of, but based on the press release it seems the main focus of the FBs are going to be interpeting The Princess and The Frog plot and characters.

      Yeah, I’m not as interested in that due to the fact that it’s not Princess and the Frog but some characters by the same name.

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    • Pics for this episode out! Looks like the Blind Witch's persona in HH. I love that she is baking gingerbread houses. XD

      http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/once/gallery8/gallery12/gallery.htm

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    • Hilda/Blind Witch is a Coven Member for sure. Wonder if we saw Dr. Sage bear the symbol?

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Hilda/Blind Witch is a Coven Member for sure. Wonder if we saw Dr. Sage bear the symbol?

      I don't think so, but we also didn't see her wrist, maybe they will have an autopsy scene where they notice all these ladies have the Coven tattoo.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      Hilda/Blind Witch is a Coven Member for sure. Wonder if we saw Dr. Sage bear the symbol?

      I don't think so, but we also didn't see her wrist, maybe they will have an autopsy scene where they notice all these ladies have the Coven tattoo.

      And the odd guy out: San Ochotta (which must mean something).

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      Hilda/Blind Witch is a Coven Member for sure. Wonder if we saw Dr. Sage bear the symbol?
      I don't think so, but we also didn't see her wrist, maybe they will have an autopsy scene where they notice all these ladies have the Coven tattoo.
      And the odd guy out: San Ochotta (which must mean something).

      Maybe he's a minion to one of the witches. Like if one of the witches is Yzma, for example, he would be Kronk.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      Hilda/Blind Witch is a Coven Member for sure. Wonder if we saw Dr. Sage bear the symbol?
      I don't think so, but we also didn't see her wrist, maybe they will have an autopsy scene where they notice all these ladies have the Coven tattoo.
      And the odd guy out: San Ochotta (which must mean something).

      Maybe he's a minion to one of the witches. Like if one of the witches is Yzma, for example, he would be Kronk.

      Well, Ochotta is close to Ochotta which is a baby goose (or a naive girl). So, perhaps Mother Goose? Or whomever picked the sigil (assuming that it wasn’t Gothel).

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    • I'm curious of how much screen time will the new Blind Witch get. For now, Taste of the Heights and Breadcrumbs, probably. Honestly this character looks so interesting. 

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    • The Great Sorcerer wrote: I'm curious of how much screen time will the new Blind Witch get. For now, Taste of the Heights and Breadcrumbs, probably. Honestly this character looks so interesting. 

      5 mins, including as dead body.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      The Great Sorcerer wrote: I'm curious of how much screen time will the new Blind Witch get. For now, Taste of the Heights and Breadcrumbs, probably. Honestly this character looks so interesting. 

      5 mins, including as dead body.

      Wait what? xD

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    • The Great Sorcerer wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      The Great Sorcerer wrote: I'm curious of how much screen time will the new Blind Witch get. For now, Taste of the Heights and Breadcrumbs, probably. Honestly this character looks so interesting. 

      5 mins, including as dead body.

      Wait what? xD

      I was giving a prediction.

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    • Aaand Tiana got snobbed again, not only in the promo but in pictures too. I was also hoping we would have a bit more of a focus on the coven members instead of them being co-stars, but okay I guess.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      The Great Sorcerer wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      The Great Sorcerer wrote: I'm curious of how much screen time will the new Blind Witch get. For now, Taste of the Heights and Breadcrumbs, probably. Honestly this character looks so interesting. 

      5 mins, including as dead body.
      Wait what? xD
      I was giving a prediction.

      Oh God, sorry. xD

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    • God the Blind Witch looks creepy ! Both S1 and S7 versions are the show's only characters that frightens me (guess they used the same lenses since she she has the same eyes than the first one). I love that she's a baker, hopefully we'll also see her NEF counterpart.
      Funny fact : I think Colin mentioned in an interview that Hansel & Gretel was his favorite fairytale...

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      The Great Sorcerer wrote: I'm curious of how much screen time will the new Blind Witch get. For now, Taste of the Heights and Breadcrumbs, probably. Honestly this character looks so interesting. 

      5 mins, including as dead body.

      That is really likely. We already know she dies from the promo and it doesn't look like she's appearing in the flashback either.

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    • I think she will only be in a scene or two in this episode, but will appear again (along with the other coven witches) in a FB at some point. Regarding the co-starring status, I think these witches were just smaller roles overall, and so they decided to make them co-stars. Co-stars can still appear in a ton of episodes though (think about the dwarfs).

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    • But I remember A&E said any new iteration or characters from past seasons would take part of the coven. They lied to us... again.

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    • Truest Believer wrote:
      But I remember A&E said any new iteration or characters from past seasons would take part of the coven. They lied to us... again.

      They never said that.

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    • Sorry for my grammar, i meant Wouldn't. 

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    • I think this episode is a Christmas episode. In the photo and it show gingerbread houses. This episode be a Christmas special!

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    • Yuma10000 wrote:
      I think this episode is a Christmas episode. In the photo and it show gingerbread houses. This episode be a Christmas special!

      In March? It's just a bakery, lol.

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    • We've already speculated that not all of the scenes from the promo are from this episode. Could Hilda's dead body actually be from 716?

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote: We've already speculated that not all of the scenes from the promo are from this episode. Could Hilda's dead body actually be from 716?

      I hope so. It would be pretty anticlimactic for her to die immediately after being introduced.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      We've already speculated that not all of the scenes from the promo are from this episode. Could Hilda's dead body actually be from 716?

      I don't think so. It would be way too spoilery to show it now. And that would be like 5 weeks before it airs

      I guess it's from 7x12

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    • Hilda/Blind Witch is almost certainly killed in this episode. We can't have much of a mystery about a serial (witch) killer if there isn't serialized killings. And based on the promo, it seems both Rogers/Weaver and Roni/Kelly are going to be investigating/working on this.

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    • Maybe Hilda is killed in this episode, but she'll appear as the Blind Witch in flashbacks in 7x16

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    • Calibaz wrote:
      Maybe Hilda is killed in this episode, but she'll appear as the Blind Witch in flashbacks in 7x16

      I would hope so. I'm going to be annoyed if we don't see all the coven witches in NEF at some point, especially after Adam and Eddy said they are iconic characters from either Disney or fairy tales.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Calibaz wrote:
      Maybe Hilda is killed in this episode, but she'll appear as the Blind Witch in flashbacks in 7x16
      I would hope so. I'm going to be annoyed if we don't see all the coven witches in NEF at some point, especially after Adam and Eddy said they are iconic characters from either Disney or fairy tales.

      I think they'll be introduced as their cursed counterparts and mostly seen as a group in the flashbacks. I don't think A&E are that interested in developing the witches that much as individual charcaters. 7B is already crowded as it is.

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    • Calibaz wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Calibaz wrote:
      Maybe Hilda is killed in this episode, but she'll appear as the Blind Witch in flashbacks in 7x16
      I would hope so. I'm going to be annoyed if we don't see all the coven witches in NEF at some point, especially after Adam and Eddy said they are iconic characters from either Disney or fairy tales.
      I think they'll be introduced as their cursed counterparts and mostly seen as a group in the flashbacks. I don't think A&E are that interested in developing the witches that much as individual charcaters. 7B is already crowded as it is.

      Right, I meant more see them as a group in FB. I wasn't clear.

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    • Well, it was to be expected that the witches would at best be surface level because they aren’t the major villains and our main cast need their centrics.

      I don’t know if we’ll see them by face though or an explanation about why they are in the Coven.

      EF Blind Witch was “half-baked” in magical skill. Seeing that Gothel doesn’t deal with middling witches like Drizzy or Robin too long, I wonder how strong Hilda is suppose to be. I doubt that we’ll get to know.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Well, it was to be expected that the witches would at best be surface level because they aren’t the major villains and our main cast need their centrics.

      I don’t know if we’ll see them by face though or an explanation about why they are in the Coven.

      EF Blind Witch was “half-baked” in magical skill. Seeing that Gothel doesn’t deal with middling witches like Drizzy or Robin too long, I wonder how strong Hilda is suppose to be. I doubt that we’ll get to know.

      I'm suspicious that Hilda is both of her counterpart's names. Like Hilda (Seattle) and Hilda (New Enchanted Forest).

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      Well, it was to be expected that the witches would at best be surface level because they aren’t the major villains and our main cast need their centrics.

      I don’t know if we’ll see them by face though or an explanation about why they are in the Coven.

      EF Blind Witch was “half-baked” in magical skill. Seeing that Gothel doesn’t deal with middling witches like Drizzy or Robin too long, I wonder how strong Hilda is suppose to be. I doubt that we’ll get to know.

      I'm suspicious that Hilda is both of her counterpart's names. Like Hilda (Seattle) and Hilda (New Enchanted Forest).

      Yes that would make sense. And what if Dr. Sage wasn’t killed, but instead put to sleep?

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      Well, it was to be expected that the witches would at best be surface level because they aren’t the major villains and our main cast need their centrics.

      I don’t know if we’ll see them by face though or an explanation about why they are in the Coven.

      EF Blind Witch was “half-baked” in magical skill. Seeing that Gothel doesn’t deal with middling witches like Drizzy or Robin too long, I wonder how strong Hilda is suppose to be. I doubt that we’ll get to know.

      I'm suspicious that Hilda is both of her counterpart's names. Like Hilda (Seattle) and Hilda (New Enchanted Forest).

      Yes that would make sense. And what if Dr. Sage wasn’t killed, but instead put to sleep?

      She was killed. You don’t choke to sleep. (Plus, we already know that there’s a witch killer.)

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    • Do you guys still think we get sneak peeks, or is ABC not going to put in the effort anymore, since the show is already cancelled? I know we got them for 711, but that was the Spring premiere, so it may have been considered more special.

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Well, it was to be expected that the witches would at best be surface level because they aren’t the major villains and our main cast need their centrics.

      I don’t know if we’ll see them by face though or an explanation about why they are in the Coven.

      EF Blind Witch was “half-baked” in magical skill. Seeing that Gothel doesn’t deal with middling witches like Drizzy or Robin too long, I wonder how strong Hilda is suppose to be. I doubt that we’ll get to know.

      I'm suspicious that Hilda is both of her counterpart's names. Like Hilda (Seattle) and Hilda (New Enchanted Forest).

      More likely, she's not credited by her NEF name because she won't appear in the NEF. She isn't relevant to Tiana. Just like Doctor Sage.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: Do you guys still think we get sneak peeks, or is ABC not going to put in the effort anymore, since the show is already cancelled? I know we got them for 711, but that was the Spring premiere, so it may have been considered more special.

      They’ll toss out one or two.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Well, it was to be expected that the witches would at best be surface level because they aren’t the major villains and our main cast need their centrics.

      I don’t know if we’ll see them by face though or an explanation about why they are in the Coven.

      EF Blind Witch was “half-baked” in magical skill. Seeing that Gothel doesn’t deal with middling witches like Drizzy or Robin too long, I wonder how strong Hilda is suppose to be. I doubt that we’ll get to know.

      I'm suspicious that Hilda is both of her counterpart's names. Like Hilda (Seattle) and Hilda (New Enchanted Forest).

      More likely, she's not credited by her NEF name because she won't appear in the NEF. She isn't relevant to Tiana. Just like Doctor Sage.

      Yeah, just hope they tell us who they were (we’ll, Dr. Sage at least).

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      DatNuttyKid wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Well, it was to be expected that the witches would at best be surface level because they aren’t the major villains and our main cast need their centrics.

      I don’t know if we’ll see them by face though or an explanation about why they are in the Coven.

      EF Blind Witch was “half-baked” in magical skill. Seeing that Gothel doesn’t deal with middling witches like Drizzy or Robin too long, I wonder how strong Hilda is suppose to be. I doubt that we’ll get to know.

      I'm suspicious that Hilda is both of her counterpart's names. Like Hilda (Seattle) and Hilda (New Enchanted Forest).
      More likely, she's not credited by her NEF name because she won't appear in the NEF. She isn't relevant to Tiana. Just like Doctor Sage.
      Yeah, just hope they tell us who they were (we’ll, Dr. Sage at least).

      I'd be more okay (still disappointed, but okay) if we never saw Hilda in the NEF, because the gingerbread-baking blind witch is... painfully obvious. But then we actually have reason to believe we will see her.

      Dr. Sage is more worrying because we have no hints towards who she is and no indication that we may ever see her again. (Unless she really is Dr. Strange or Dr. Dolittle but that seems out of left field, lol.)

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    • Hilda/Blind Witch may also be Mama Odie, so it makes sense. They're both blind.

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    • So, based on the cast list, Naveen is the witch-hunter? Why? Or did I misinterpret?

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    • Truest Believer wrote: Hilda/Blind Witch may also be Mama Odie, so it makes sense. They're both blind.

      But then that would be whitewashing.

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    • 123Raura wrote:
      So, based on the cast list, Naveen is the witch-hunter? Why? Or did I misinterpret?

      He and Tiana are also hunting alligators in the backstory, so not necessarily.

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    • It could be Dr. Facilier makes more sense than Naveen/his Cursed persona.

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    • Prediction: Naveen is an alligator hunter in the olde past. Naveen is a troubled youth in the present as Drew. Various things point to him as the Witch Hunter, but he’s a fake out for Samdi.

      Anyway, I predict we’ll be getting a late sneak peek or none at all.

      At least, I’ll get one of them right.

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    • To be honest, like others, I'm more interested and anxious about future announcements and returns for the final episodes than promotion about the current episodes.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: To be honest, like others, I'm more interested and anxious about future announcements and returns for the final episodes than promotion about the current episodes.

      That’s not related to this episode.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      To be honest, like others, I'm more interested and anxious about future announcements and returns for the final episodes than promotion about the current episodes.

      That's fair enough, but they should still be giving us something for this episode (and the rest) leading up to the finale. I'm sure any big returns will be announced in an article anyway, because those tv sites love to get those kind of scoops for articles.

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    • So no sneak peek at all?

      Way to go ABC....

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    • I think they do a sneak peeks in Friday morning.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      So no sneak peek at all?

      Way to go ABC....

      I was going to ask same thing,like i was looking forward  to seeing Tiana flashback scenes in Sneak Peek 1 or 2 and its kinda weird that they still havent relased any sneak peeks.Oh well lets hope they will be relased tommorrow.

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    • First sneak peek released ^^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBvJ5QahkCc

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    • Lady Rapunzel wrote: First sneak peek released ^^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBvJ5QahkCc

      Enchanted spear? The evidence is mounting that he is Faciliers son.

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    • Accents, geez. I thought Hook was talking about some Facilia person, but he said Facilier.

      So, Facilier warns about a terrible beast Gator or Witch, who knows.

      I really dislike the “Bickering is so Romantic!” Trope. While it isn’t inserting and exact, I can buy what Naveen is selling. Hope it’s not going to be a fake prince with a fake spear. This I can add Maldonia to the NFTL map (of sorts). He might sound odd-accented but he’s ego and charisma exist, no wonder Nook is partial to him.

      So...Facilier tells them to hunt “Not a Gator” and Naveen is helping them hunt...Facilier is the Witch Hunter, dundunDuuuuuunnnn!

      Plus, it awkward that it’s oretty much tossed I. Your face that they’ll be together. An African American princess and an African American prince stumble along with their merry gang of pirate and Mother-to-be. I wonder who her love interest will be. That diversity, tho.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote: First sneak peek released ^^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBvJ5QahkCc

      Enchanted spear? The evidence is mounting that he is Faciliers son.

      Not at all. Lol, you can buy an enchanted spear from the curio shop down the street.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:

      Lady Rapunzel wrote: First sneak peek released ^^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBvJ5QahkCc

      Enchanted spear? The evidence is mounting that he is Faciliers son.

      Not at all. Lol, you can buy an enchanted spear from the curio shop down the street.

      I know he could have gotten it from anywhere but I think it is a breadcrumb left by the writers hinting at the reveal of his father, like maybe Facilier gave it to him.

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    • Two outrageous things if it occurs tomorrow:

      1. If Naveen’s Kingdom is Maldonia, and Tiana’s still have no name.

      2. If Naveen is a fake prince...

      Bonus: If they don’t mention “Thr King”, aka the King of these federated kingdoms.

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    • Enchanted Spear? That's 2 macguffins in a row.

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    • 8Rob wrote: Enchanted Spear? That's 2 macguffins in a row.

      There are like macguffins in every episode. Though this spear is probably not important to the plot, overall.

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    • That was a good sneak peek. I hope they world-build a little more in this episode, and if the alligator is connected to the coven somehow then it won’t be entirely filler.

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    • When I heard "Enchanted Spear" I immediately thought about Jesus Christ's spear. The legend says that the person that carries it, has the control of destiny, but if you lost it or drop it, you die. Hitler was obsessed with it. 

      P.S: What's a macguffin?

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