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  • I hated everything about it. Will compile my thoughts later. For now, what did y'all think?

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    • I didn't hate it. But I didn't enjoy it much either. I just feel like it could've been handled better.

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    • One word: underwhelming. Hate is a strong word, in my opinion. The only things I did like about "A Pirate's Life" were the fact that Emma is pregnant with Hook's child and that scene between Wish Realm Hook & Lady Tremaine. 

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    • I don't hate the ep, and many scenes were good. But the whole Wish Hook stuff. I'm meh about it. But I don't blame A&E: there was no possible way to please everyone and handle correctly Emma's exit with only one appearance.

      They did the least worst situation, with the less risks for Emma. Totally expected.

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    • Overall, I thought it was okay. I'm more just confused than anything right now. We already had alot of unanswered questions from 701, and all 702 did was add about a million more. I just hope they explain everything in the remaining 20 episodes they have for this season.

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    • Lady Junky wrote: I don't hate the ep, and many scenes were good. But the whole Wish Hook stuff. I'm meh about it. But I don't blame A&E: there was no possible way to please everyone and handle correctly Emma's exit with only one appearance.

      They did the least worst situation, with the less risks for Emma. Totally expected.

      But maybe telling a story is not about pleasing the crowd...

      I didn't get the Wish!Hook. They have been telling us this place was fake, so is Regina a murderer? Are there gonna be consequences? Not likely...

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    • Okay, I've taken time now to let it all settle in and give my chance to properly reflect. I still hate the episode, but I'm not as livid as before.

      My issue with the whole thing, plain and simple, is that Season 7 Hook is not actually the Hook we've known since Season 2. That, to me, is just a massive cop out (pun not intended). I'm not a Captain Swan shipper, that's no secret, but if Hook was going to be here at all then I think his story should've had to do with finding his way back to Emma. Well, the portion of it in which he knows who Emma is. To write off both Emma and Hook with their happy endings while keeping Colin O'Donoghue on the show is just pure fanservice for those who shipped the couple. Having this new Hook isn't really benefiting the story, it's just in order to keep Colin around. And it's not a bad thing that they wanna keep Colin, he's a good actor and a familiar face, but I just don't think getting rid of the Hook we've known for years was the right idea. It's a decent ending to Captain Swan's story, but I just don't think it's good for the show as a whole.

      Now we have Hook from the wish realm. I... suppose I can appreciate the callback to a previous story they did, but really none of it settled well with me. I wasn't fond of him having a history with Lady Tremaine or there being a long lost daughter out there. Suddenly they were inventing a whole bunch of backstory for this character who was the knock-off of one we knew for five seasons already. It all just felt contrived and unnecessary, and I feel like something doesn't add up with Season 6. Could be wrong, but I just had a weird feeling about it all. Not that continuity/world-building is much of a concern to the writers. Anyways, if real Hook wasn't going to be part of the story this season then I'd have preferred they not bring Hook back at all.

      Instead they could have had Zelena whose character journey felt far from finished. We all know Bex didn't leave the show by choice. Same goes for Emilie as Belle - another character who's part of a major ship - though the other half of that pairing chose to stay, just Emilie/Belle was forced out. I'm not gonna lie, I'm biased towards both, and this partially influences my very negative opinion of this storyline decision. And it leaves me to wonder what this'll mean for Rumbelle in 7x04. Captain Swan is getting their happy ending, but what about Rumbelle? They had a very rocky six seasons, only getting back together at the very end of 6x22. Are they ultimately going to be deprived of a happy ending while Captain Swan gets handed theirs? Another bias, I'll admit.

      Anyways, I think the best way to have handled Emma's departure while keeping Hook on the show would've been to just have Emma be back in Storybrooke with Hook working to get back to her. I think that would've been simple enough and a better way of keeping viewers invested in the hopes Hook would eventually find his way back to her. Instead they get their ending handed to them and we get to watch Colin O'Donoghue run around another 20 episodes playing a plot contrivance.

      I had other issues with this episode, but I've mostly forgotten them since everything above was my main concern. I know this is the rant and rave board, but I still feel like I should end this post on a more positive note. I'm continuing to adore Dania Ramirez as Jacinda, and I was really liking Sabine this episode - Mekia Cox gives off a very warm presence.

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    • DeviousPeep wrote:

      Anyways, I think the best way to have handled Emma's departure while keeping Hook on the show would've been to just have Emma be back in Storybrooke with Hook working to get back to her. I think that would've been simple enough and a better way of keeping viewers invested in the hopes Hook would eventually find his way back to her. Instead they get their ending handed to them and we get to watch Colin O'Donoghue run around another 20 episodes playing a plot contrivance.

      I seriously don't understand why they didn't just go with this. Literally the simplest option. The curse will be broken, everyone will remember, he'll go home. They don't even have to show Emma again. I don't think those fans would actually be worried that they won't end up happy. And now on top of Snow, Charming, Belle, and Emma fans no longer being invested, they're opening the door for the Hook fans to leave as well, even though Colin is still on the show. There's no good reason to have the real Regina and Rumple, but come up with a weird cop-out to make it a different Hook. Heck, isn't the split Evil Queen technically Regina too? Why didn't she show up in the New EF? A weird way to handle things all around.

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    • I'll add more later but for, here are some production stuff I noticed

      1. Lana was clearly not there when they filmed the good-bye scene (She is not there in the promo pics from that scene). Of course it didn't look as bad as the Tinkerbell scene in 6x14, but it was noticeable

      2. Hook was clearly not Colin when he was talking with WHook. You can tell the hair length and the beard and different from Colin's. I mean, I know they have to use a double, but they have to replace him for Colin for god's sake!

      3. WHook make-up made him look way too tanned. Are we supposed to believe Hook's skin color will get darker with age or what? I assume it was the lighting in the set, because that didn't happen in 6x11, when they filmed outdoors

      4. Emma's make-up for god almighty. Snow and Aurora were "glowing" when they were pregnant. Emma looked completely trashed

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      DeviousPeep wrote:

      Anyways, I think the best way to have handled Emma's departure while keeping Hook on the show would've been to just have Emma be back in Storybrooke with Hook working to get back to her. I think that would've been simple enough and a better way of keeping viewers invested in the hopes Hook would eventually find his way back to her. Instead they get their ending handed to them and we get to watch Colin O'Donoghue run around another 20 episodes playing a plot contrivance.

      I seriously don't understand why they didn't just go with this. Literally the simplest option. The curse will be broken, everyone will remember, he'll go home. They don't even have to show Emma again. I don't think those fans would actually be worried that they won't end up happy. And now on top of Snow, Charming, Belle, and Emma fans no longer being invested, they're opening the door for the Hook fans to leave as well, even though Colin is still on the show. There's no good reason to have the real Regina and Rumple, but come up with a weird cop-out to make it a different Hook. Heck, isn't the split Evil Queen technically Regina too? Why didn't she show up in the New EF? A weird way to handle things all around.

      Because they need flashbacks for Hook. Now we know that WHook somehow met Lady Tremaine before and also had a daughter. They couldn't do this with the real Hook because at that time he was on Storybrooke. 

      Of course the whole thing is just an excuse to keep Colin in the show. But the question is does the show need Colin so bad that they had to write this contrived storyline only to keep him on the show? I know Colin is on contract, but couldn't they just use him as a guest character, appering here and there in flashbacks or such. 

      They could have used another character for that. Like Zelena, as others pointed out. Or heck, even August 

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      Because they need flashbacks for Hook. Now we know that WHook somehow met Lady Tremaine before and also had a daughter. They couldn't do this with the real Hook because at that time he was on Storybrooke. 

      Of course the whole thing is just an excuse to keep Colin in the show. But the question is does the show need Colin so bad that they had to write this contrived storyline only to keep him on the show? I know Colin is on contract, but couldn't they just use him as a guest character, appering here and there in flashbacks or such. 

      They could have used another character for that. Like Zelena, as others pointed out. Or heck, even August 

      But they've jumped forward so many years. What kind of flashbacks can they insert in for Regina and Rumple that they can't for Hook? It looks like they're only doing flashbacks so far that include the adult Henry anyway, so everyone's on a fair playing field for the New EF stuff. They're already getting a new missing time period to explore. 

      I agree, I guess they really did want to keep Colin on the show, but I think the character he portrays does matter somewhat if they intend to keep using him as a draw. I mean, I'd feel bad if the only reason he was let go was because Jennifer didn't want to continue, but they could've just made him continue portraying the real Hook and that wouldn't have made it weird at all. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      8Rob wrote:

      Because they need flashbacks for Hook. Now we know that WHook somehow met Lady Tremaine before and also had a daughter. They couldn't do this with the real Hook because at that time he was on Storybrooke. 

      Of course the whole thing is just an excuse to keep Colin in the show. But the question is does the show need Colin so bad that they had to write this contrived storyline only to keep him on the show? I know Colin is on contract, but couldn't they just use him as a guest character, appering here and there in flashbacks or such. 

      They could have used another character for that. Like Zelena, as others pointed out. Or heck, even August 

      But they've jumped forward so many years. What kind of flashbacks can they insert in for Regina and Rumple that they can't for Hook? It looks like they're only doing flashbacks so far that include the adult Henry anyway, so everyone's on a fair playing field for the New EF stuff. They're already getting a new missing time period to explore. 

      I agree, I guess they really did want to keep Colin on the show, but I think the character he portrays does matter somewhat if they intend to keep using him as a draw. I mean, I'd feel bad if the only reason he was let go was because Jennifer didn't want to continue, but they could've just made him continue portraying the real Hook and that wouldn't have made it weird at all. 

      I wouldn't. If the character doesn't serve the story anymore, they should be written off. I mean why Colin is different than Emilie or Rebecca? Or should we feel bad for every actor on every show that their character had to die? This is the business, jobs comes, jobs end, new jobs come. No TV show lasts forever so eventually Colin would have to find something new, probably next year...

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    • I agree with everything DeviousPeep said. I started the episode thinking Emma was going to be pregnant and that's why she couldn't stay for "the fight" or whatever Henry's journey from there is. And I thought they would just make the people in Storybrooke not even know that there is another curse. Emma, Snow, Belle etc. would just think that the others are still with Henry in the Magical Forest.

      I feel like that would've been a lot simpler, less complicated and less annoying. I don't see how giving us a new Hook that nobody relates to, is the way they chose to do this. They're crazy. 

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    • "Hook could have been on a mission to find his way back to Emma and they wouldn't even need to show their reunion 

      What? Seriously now, if that happened you'd be furious on how they handled the reunion without even showing Emma. And frankly, if that happened even I'd be disappointed they did it without showing it on screen. 

      I agree Hook could have been written off, but he wasn't. We have a brand new version of him that has a story to tell. It's confusing as hell but I'm on board. It's like having two Cinderellas with two different stories, for me. Only this time, both Hooks are portrayed by the same actor. 

      And now, I didn't only come here to defend the show, I do have some issues:  

      As I said, I'm okay with Hook being Wish Realm Hook, it was a great twist. My issue is  'Why give him such a big, heavy and sensitive story like searching for a daughter that's been kidnapped by a witch? It only makes things more confusing. 

      He could have wandered in this alternative realm until Tremaine found him and assigned him to kill Henry, while pretending to be the other Hook. But alas, we have what we have. 

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    • Yep as i predicted it,it once again sucked.

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    • For everyone saying Wish Hook is a completely different character, that's not completely true. As Wish Hook explains in the episode (and as we also saw last season in the Wish Realm), the Wish characters had more or less the same backstory, up until the part where Regina would have cast the curse. At this point, the timelines seperated, and other things happened to the Wish Realm characters. So Wish Hook still has the same memories as real Hook, up until a bit before Regina would have cast the Dark Curse. From there, different things happened, like Wish Hook having a daughter.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: For everyone saying Wish Hook is a completely different character, that's not completely true. As Wish Hook explains in the episode (and as we also saw last season in the Wish Realm), the Wish characters had more or less the same backstory, up until the part where Regina would have cast the curse. At this point, the timelines seperated, and other things happened to the Wish Realm characters. So Wish Hook still has the same memories as real Hook, up until a bit before Regina would have cast the Dark Curse. From there, different things happened, like Wish Hook having a daughter.

      They said that Wish Realm is not real, mainly because they didn't want to deal with the fact that Regina killed two innocent people. So what is it?

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    • Farerb wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: For everyone saying Wish Hook is a completely different character, that's not completely true. As Wish Hook explains in the episode (and as we also saw last season in the Wish Realm), the Wish characters had more or less the same backstory, up until the part where Regina would have cast the curse. At this point, the timelines seperated, and other things happened to the Wish Realm characters. So Wish Hook still has the same memories as real Hook, up until a bit before Regina would have cast the Dark Curse. From there, different things happened, like Wish Hook having a daughter.

      They said that Wish Realm is not real, mainly because they didn't want to deal with the fact that Regina killed two innocent people. So what is it?

      I mean, it was still a manufactuered realm, but it is real. Adam and Eddy did say that once the wish was made, the realm was created, so it became real. So yeah, Regina killed a living version of Snow and Charming, but she's killed a bunch of people, so that shouldn't be a big deal to anyone.

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    • So I guess if Regina just walked around and killed people then it is fine because she did it in the past...

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    • Farerb wrote:
      So I guess if Regina just walked around and killed people then it is fine because she did it in the past...

      It's not okay, but it's a fact about her character. If she already killed 500 people, are we really going to get hung up about 501 and 502, especially when Regina didn't see them as real people when she killed them?

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    • That's not new

      Regina and Rumple always do whatever they want and they just get away with it

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    • I hated everything about it. So the Hook we know is not the real Hook. That's an entirely different person. They already lost so much because they kept trying to please the fandoms, and now they're doing it again. These guys are not gonna give up. And the Hyperion Heights events sucked. I don't even remember now what the plot was. Oh, wait, because there was NO plot. One of the worst episodes I ever watched in this show.

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    • I didn’t like the whole Wish Realm Hook idea, but I enjoyed the present day scenes a lot.

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    • Nakis91 wrote: "Hook could have been on a mission to find his way back to Emma and they wouldn't even need to show their reunion 

      What? Seriously now, if that happened you'd be furious on how they handled the reunion without even showing Emma. And frankly, if that happened even I'd be disappointed they did it without showing it on screen. 

      They could've had Jen shoot some additional scenes to use when the time was ready. Perhaps it's not the most convenient solution, but I think it's better than the whole wish!Hook story they've concocted.

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    • Wait, these questions bugged me so much during the episode. 

      1. Is the Old Hook we see in 7x02 the Wish Realm Hook from 6x11?

      2. If the Old Hook (7x02) is the Wish Realm Hook from 6x11, how did he get to The New Enchanted Forest?

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    • The Great Sorcerer wrote: Wait, these questions bugged me so much during the episode. 

      1. Is the Old Hook we see in 7x02 the Wish Realm Hook from 6x11?

      2. If the Old Hook (7x02) is the Wish Realm Hook from 6x11, how did he get to The New Enchanted Forest?

      1. Yes. 2. Good question.

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    • "All your questions are pointless" Lazy writing 101.

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    • The Great Sorcerer wrote: Wait, these questions bugged me so much during the episode. 

      1. Is the Old Hook we see in 7x02 the Wish Realm Hook from 6x11?

      2. If the Old Hook (7x02) is the Wish Realm Hook from 6x11, how did he get to The New Enchanted Forest?

      Wish Realm Hook was apparently sent too because of the message in a bottle.

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    • DeviousPeep wrote:

      The Great Sorcerer wrote: Wait, these questions bugged me so much during the episode. 

      1. Is the Old Hook we see in 7x02 the Wish Realm Hook from 6x11?

      2. If the Old Hook (7x02) is the Wish Realm Hook from 6x11, how did he get to The New Enchanted Forest?

      1. Yes. 2. Good question.

      In 6x11, I thought people made from the wish realm couldn't actually leave, and that Robin was just a special case. I suppose that was never actually confirmed though, so meh. I suppose wish!Hook just used one of the many, many, many different types of portals.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      So I guess if Regina just walked around and killed people then it is fine because she did it in the past...
      It's not okay, but it's a fact about her character. If she already killed 500 people, are we really going to get hung up about 501 and 502, especially when Regina didn't see them as real people when she killed them?

      The contradiction was when 6x10 aired, A&E said that what Regina did in the Wish Realm did not matter because Wish Snow and Wish Charming were not real. They straight up said they weren't real. They weren't even brushing off another Regina murder, the realm wasn't real so it's like it shouldn't have existed after Emma woke up and left. 

      However, one episode later, they brought in Wish Robin and proclaimed that he was real. And now we have two wish characters living outside of the wish realm and they're both "real." It looks like they changed the rules of the wish realm to keep using two characters/actors. But I think we all could've come up with ways for them to have brought back Robin in 6B (like if he was a ghost coming to give Regina closure) and Hook in S7 (like having Rogers be the real Hook), instead of them piling on with the inconsistencies. 

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    • DeviousPeep wrote:

      The Great Sorcerer wrote: Wait, these questions bugged me so much during the episode. 

      1. Is the Old Hook we see in 7x02 the Wish Realm Hook from 6x11?

      2. If the Old Hook (7x02) is the Wish Realm Hook from 6x11, how did he get to The New Enchanted Forest?

      1. Yes.

      2. Good question.

      Hook had a magical bottle

      When the WishWorld was created, a duplicate of the magical bottle was created as well. WHook had the bottle, and he algo got the message Henry sent. They didn't know WHook had a duplicate of the bottle.

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    • But what does him getting the bottle have to do with his location? 

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    • The Wish Realm and such are pretty basic.

      Emma and co see them as fake; however, the wish simply placed her in an alternate/parallel world that was actually real.

      If you woke up in a dream and knew it was as such, you think nothing matters in your dream because it's not like it's affecting real life. 

      As for the bottle, it's easy. There are two Hooks, so it duplicates to both Hooks. I'm sure Regina hitched a ride with Hook, so they had the same bottle. 

      So....the bottle split going to Hook and one to Wish Hook (likely due to location differences).

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      4. Emma's make-up for god almighty. Snow and Aurora were "glowing" when they were pregnant. Emma looked completely trashed

      Those hair extensions are horrible, and way too noticable. 


      Nakis91 wrote:

      As I said, I'm okay with Hook being Wish Realm Hook, it was a great twist. My issue is  'Why give him such a big, heavy and sensitive story like searching for a daughter that's been kidnapped by a witch? It only makes things more confusing. 

      Because every version of Captain Hook on OUaT, needs to be motivated by love. How dare he not be the hero again?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Nakis91 wrote:

      As I said, I'm okay with Hook being Wish Realm Hook, it was a great twist. My issue is  'Why give him such a big, heavy and sensitive story like searching for a daughter that's been kidnapped by a witch? It only makes things more confusing. 

      Because every version of Captain Hook on OUaT, needs to be motivated by love. How dare he not be the hero again?

      Or....you know that they are writers and there needs to be a thing called "Story". You have to be invested in a character, not just have a background, secondary character take a major role and nothing's going on with them. It's like if Robin Hood lost his one centric....he'd be a glorified extra that happens to have lines.

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    • The new season is boring. None of the curse personalities interest me. Most are just plain ole annoying. They should have simply used all the Wishverse characters. Why? Because we already have seen majority of Storybrooke Characters past. Not fun to rehash old storylines with New faces. As far as the episode outside of Emma being Pregnant and Wishverse Hook I can't remember a thing worth talking about. 

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    • I think I may warm up this new Hook, but for now I'm kind bummed. You've established a character for 5 seasons onto a show, given him backstory and character development, and now we have a clone. I feel like they comprimised a good story for a ship, which bugs me. They repeated what they did with OutlawQueen fans, where the Serum Queen and Robin of Locksley got together, to appease the fans. I get Colin O Donoghue had to return to because he still had time in his contract, but, why did they have to make him go off with Emma, so she could have her happy ending? Is Henry not a part of her happy ending too? I wish Emma left by herself, because it couldve ended with the two reuniting off-screen after the curse was broken.

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    • Not really. Pretty much everyone's character was wrapped up. Regina had an opening up about missing something in her life (but I wish they left her alone) and Rumple really was just starting his redemptive path (because we all know he was not even close to rectifying his situation). Hook was pretty much done. After all, how many more secrets and lies and angst can we go through with Hook?

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    • I think this episode really hurt season seven as a whole. The present day events were pointless for the most part, and the flashback was kinda a mess. Regina and Hook talked about Emma like she was dead?? The flashback definitely should have been more Emma centered, as it was her curtain call. As for the baby, I feel that it would have been better off just not mentioning it at all, or showing her happily giving birth to it. In general, it being made a Hook centric made quite the mess. It hurts Knightfall in particular, as it made it the third Hook centric in the season.

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