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  • Thoughts? Feelings? Theories? How'd you rate it?

    I'm gonna watch it two times just to get a good estimate. (Before watching it again! XD)

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    • I liked it, but I felt like it was a little rushed. I'm planning on watching it again to!

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    • Also going to watch again. Present day seems fairly straight forward, and I always enjoy the FB more anyway, so I'm going to focus on that. Definitly alot of backstory to cover, both the time period before Henry runs into Cinderella (for Cinderella, Tremaine, Drizella, Tiana, Alice, the Prince, Cinderella's father, etc), and then the period of time after this episodes flashback that leads to the curse actually happening (and again for Cinderella, Tremaine, Drizella, Tiana, Alice, plus Regina, Hook, Rumple, Henry, and Lucy). I think they definitly have enough things to easily cover 21 more episodes, and that's not including any other new characters that get introduced. I hope the writers handle it all okay.

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    • great episode. i like the new characters and Regina and the others new identities. 

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    • I loved it. Especially Roni. While I like the present day events, I liked the flashbacks more. 

      Also, I just realised that Tiana's quote until we see more of her is probably going to be "Frog legs? No thank you." (Or something along the lines of that, I think that's the only line she said, but I might be mistaken).

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    • If ABC had the opportunity, i think they should've done a two-hour premiere with Episodes 1 and 2. I think they didn't because of Inhumans. 

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    • About the episode itself, i felt like Regina, Hook (or whoever he is) and Rumple are being only this season's background. I feel like the center will be Henry and Cinderella.

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    • LadyTremaine wrote:
      About the episode itself, i felt like Regina, Hook (or whoever he is) and Rumple are being only this season's background. I feel like the center will be Henry and Cinderella.

      They literally told us as much. Henry, Cinderella, Lucy, and Tremaine are basically Season 1's Charming/Emma, Snow, Henry, and Regina.

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    • They literally told us as much. Henry, Cinderella, Lucy, and Tremaine are basically Season 1's Charming/Emma, Snow, Henry, and Regina.

      And Roni is the new Granny? LOL

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    • I will also be watching again as always but I liked it. First impressions, definitely some pilot vibes but not enough to make it a repeat imo. I enjoyed the acting I thought that Gabrielle and Dania in particular were great for the newbies. I do think Andrew was believable as Adult Henry so the transition wasn't as hard for me as I initially thought. Rumple and Alice cant wait to see what their dynamic is, I have no guesses so far. Roni is Awesome! So BA and I love it, you can tell she is still Regina though which makes her even better. Hook, Tiana and Drizella kinda back ground in this one for me so I'll reserve my judgment for future episodes. A lot of whiners, ahem, people were saying this isnt going to be the same Once but I watched Final Battle before watching this and it sure seemed like the same Once to me! Overall I think A&E decision to start a new "book" turned out looking like a winner, but I guess only time will tell.

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    • What's the deal with Rumple? Good? Bad? Does he have his memories? He kind of looked like he knew what was going on.

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    • What a shame of episode... The scenes from 6x21/ 22 are not canon anymore, aren't they? Since now "Lusi" came with the curse. Scenes throwing all the information... The first thing a writer can't do. The only trait of Jacinda is to be a latina Mary Sue. A Henry who has to render before he talks... Drizella, like Tisbe, lives off camera. A silicon copy of mayor Mills from season 1... an insult, that's what Victoria Belfrey is. Scenes totally copied of 1x01. Magic already in 7x01! And with a flower, like they did in the horrible 6x17. They didn't tell "practically" nothing, as in Season 6, but they take for granted that they have told us everything, aka, something about Henry and "Lusi" or Henry and the Mary Sue or even the bad copy of the mayor and her daughter. The new actors are... quite bad, but the top of the iceberg is conquered by the latina Mary Sue. Even "Lusi" acts better than she. Rose copying gestures of Sophie Lowe... More insults for the show I cared.

      As a parody, this is priceless.

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    • The first 30 minutes I found myself unsure if I was going to want to watch the rest of the season because frankly I was bored.  Besides that my only complaint was that they introduced SO MANY new characters in the first episode.   Honestly it was probably the same amount as they introduced in the series pemiere but for some reason it felt like too much for me.  Maybe because in the series premiere the characters introduced were all mostly from the same story (Snow White) while in this episode you had Cinderella, Princess and the Frog and Alice and Wonderland.  

      I can already tell I'm not going to like Rumple.  I get the vibe that either him or Alice (maybe both) still have their memories.  I was no fan of Hook in the original story but I actually found myself finding him quite enjoyable in this episode.  Roni was pretty good.  In her last lil speech of the episode you got the sense that Regina was still in there deep down.  I'm ready to see more of that fight come out in here (I loved the preview for next weeks episode...).   I loved Victoria.  I already hate her so much.  I think they got the perfect actress to play this part.  

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    • Hera Pan wrote:
      Drizella, like Tisbe, lives off camera. A silicon copy of mayor Mills from season 1.

      I think that's the point. She's supposed to mirror season 1's Mayor Mills.

      Also I love that they did the written intro in the beginning like in 1x01. It gave me the feel of the first episode.

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    • Does Drizella (what's her curse name?) know that Victoria is her mother?

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    • ClaudiaOUAT wrote:
      Hera Pan wrote:
      Drizella, like Tisbe, lives off camera. A silicon copy of mayor Mills from season 1.
      I think that's the point. She's supposed to mirror season 1's Mayor Mills.

      Also I love that they did the written intro in the beginning like in 1x01. It gave me the feel of the first episode.

      One thing is mirror and other thing, what they made, is to take a scene from one episode and put it in another. They just changed Regina - Graham - Emma for Victoria - Rogers - Henry.

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    • Hera Pan wrote:
      ClaudiaOUAT wrote:
      Hera Pan wrote:
      Drizella, like Tisbe, lives off camera. A silicon copy of mayor Mills from season 1.
      I think that's the point. She's supposed to mirror season 1's Mayor Mills.Also I love that they did the written intro in the beginning like in 1x01. It gave me the feel of the first episode.
      One thing is mirror and other thing, what they made, is to take a scene from one episode and put it in another. They just changed Regina - Graham - Emma for Victoria - Rogers - Henry.

      I never got the feeling of a repeated scene, ot all seemed very new and interessting to me.

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    • ClaudiaOUAT wrote:
      Does Drizella (what's her curse name?) know that Victoria is her mother?

      Her cursed name is Ivy Belfrey, so yep, she knows her mother is Victoria. 

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    • I loved everything and everyone <3

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    • If you view it as a complete new show it was pretty good. If you look at it as a continuation it was just okay-ish. 6/10


      I really wish they would have simply used the Wishverse characters though. It would have made more sense and been way better. Also easier to explain Emma's absence. In this realm her and Hook never got together. To top it off you also have 34 years worth of history none of  the fans know about. Thus bringing back old Characters like Killain and Regina would be fun to watch. You also don't upset fans who enjoyed Season 6 finale(I didn't). Not to mention explaining Snow and Charming disappearance and Belle's. 

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    • Not to mention explaining Snow and Charming disappearance and Belle's. 

      Their absence will be explained this season. We'll now what happened to Belle in Beauty .

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    • It was amazing. I love it. Can't wait for more soon. Can't wait to see where this season will be heading. 

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    • A few more general notes: I liked how they definitly referenced the Pilot with various things, without it feeling like a complete copy. Also, it is interesting to me that this curse kept relationships similar in the cursed state, that is very different than in Regina's Season 1 curse. The examples so far are that Victoria is still Ivy's mother and Jacinda's step-mother, Lucy is still Jacinda's daughter, Tilly still knows Weaver, etc.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: A few more general notes: I liked how they definitly referenced the Pilot with various things, without it feeling like a complete copy. Also, it is interesting to me that this curse kept relationships similar in the cursed state, that is very different than in Regina's Season 1 curse. The examples so far are that Victoria is still Ivy's mother and Jacinda's step-mother, Lucy is still Jacinda's daughter, Tilly still knows Weaver, etc.

      In Regina's curse, the Huntsman was still Hansel and Gretel's father, Granny was Ruby's grandma, Moe French was still Belle's father. I'd say the opposite was the exception, such as Jefferson's curse.

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    • And how is it that the fairy tale characters are mixed in with the real world? I feel like this is a different kind of curse, not Fiona's Dark Curse. 

      And if it was the same curse and Tremaine cast it, who's heart woiuld she crush? She still has her daughter, who else might she love?

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: A few more general notes: I liked how they definitly referenced the Pilot with various things, without it feeling like a complete copy. Also, it is interesting to me that this curse kept relationships similar in the cursed state, that is very different than in Regina's Season 1 curse. The examples so far are that Victoria is still Ivy's mother and Jacinda's step-mother, Lucy is still Jacinda's daughter, Tilly still knows Weaver, etc.

      In Regina's curse, the Huntsman was still Hansel and Gretel's father, Granny was Ruby's grandma, Moe French was still Belle's father. I'd say the opposite was the exception, such as Jefferson's curse.

      True, we had some family members/relationships connected, but many were not. We'll have to see how this all plays out this season.

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    • My god I forgot about the episode =O

      From what I'm reading it seems it was decent enough

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    • I thought this episode, while it does have some faults (technology in EF 2), was really good. It definitely felt like a pilot episode. However, it wasn’t as magical as the original pilot. I thought the set-up was interesting and I’m excited to see where this story goes. I think all the new characters are interesting so far, but the ones I like the most are Cinderella/Jacinda, Adult Henry, Lucy, Tremaine/Victoria and Alice/Tilly. I’m not sure how I feel about Drizella/Ivy and Tiana/Sabine yet. I’m really loving Cinderella’s badass princess vibe and how she punched Henry and stole his bike (fast learner that one). I think her and Henry have a lot of chemistry and I’ve already started to ship them (is there an official ship name yet?). I really like how in this version of Cinderella, the Prince kills Cinderella’s father, which I think is a really good twist to the story. And the whole revenge thing is very common on this show. Tremaine killing the Prince for rejecting Drizella was shocking. I really like her “magic can be taken, but fear forever” thing. Probably one of my favorite scene’s of the episode was the sword fight/Cinderella escapes one. I also loved the scene where Alice has Henry is some sort of creepy mind cave and tells him that he shouldn’t mess with other people’s stories because bad things happen. Also, Rumples knows her. Of course he does. Operation Glass Slipper. I like it.

      In Hyperion Heights, I got some, but not a lot of Emma vibes from Henry. Same goes for Lucy and Young Henry. It’s really sad that the curse had Henry think his wife and daughter were dead. Henry was carrying hyacinth’s on the way to their graves (where is that cemetery?) is significant since they’re Cinderella’s flowers. I love how much belief Lucy has. I haven’t gotten an evil vibe from Victoria, but I definitely got one from Weaver. And speaking of the cursed original mains:

      I’m not sure if Weaver remembers or not, but I’m pretty sure he’s a bad cop under this curse. While I do like Regina, i think I like Roni a bit more. She’s much relaxed and down-to-earth. I really liked how she stood up to Victoria and took back her bar. Now Detective Rogers. Rogers’ accent, mannerisms, and even the way he speaks are exactly like Killian’s. I was really happy seeing Killian again, but also a bit sad since Emma isn’t there. And speaking of Emma, does he remember her? When Rogers first looked at the picture in the book, a look of recognition came over him. At the end when he’s looking at it again, he looks sad. I am super excited and also extremely nervous for next week’s episode. It’s a Captain Swan episode, but it’s also the last Captain Swan episode. Here’s to hoping it’s more sweet than bitter.

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    • I hate they removed all mention of Emma and her parents that’s Really F***ed up where is their mention they deserve it I’m mad although I forgot for one second none of these characters are the ones we already know I literally though they recasted Alice -A.D.

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    • Charles2822 wrote:
      I hate they removed all mention of Emma and her parents that’s Really F***ed up where is their mention they deserve it I’m mad although I forgot for one second none of these characters are the ones we already know I literally though they recasted Alice -A.D.

      Maybe they removed it because they rewrote their storyline? Let's remember they showed this at Comic Con like a week after they filmed it. 

      Maybe they changed their minds about the Charmings/Emma for season 7, and Regina's lines would have been inconsistent with what we are going to see/hear about them in upcoming episodes?

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      Charles2822 wrote:
      I hate they removed all mention of Emma and her parents that’s Really F***ed up where is their mention they deserve it I’m mad although I forgot for one second none of these characters are the ones we already know I literally though they recasted Alice -A.D.

      Maybe they removed it because they rewrote their storyline? Let's remember they showed this at Comic Con like a week after they filmed it. 

      Maybe they changed their minds about the Charmings/Emma for season 7, and Regina's lines would have been inconsistent with what we are going to see/hear about them in upcoming episodes?

      That could be the case but to just cut them out like that it like ripped my soul sure august mention was also cut he’s sexy hairy and hot but I was ok with his omission not the others -A.D.

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    • I really enjoyed this episode. I'm definitely not a fan of Weaver, Rumple was at least ambiguous at times but Weaver seems to be a straight up crooked cop. Dania and Allison were amazing and I liked the layers Adelaide put in Drizella, you can see where her persona cracks. I'm definitely going to be watching this season, I feel like this 'requel' has breathed new life into Once Upon a Time.

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    • It was alright. I knew I probably wouldn't enjoy it as much as other season openers since I started watching. It felt different; yet familiar. The change to a big city should be interesting. I kind of want to learn more about Roni, Weaver, and Rogers; but at the same time, I also just want them to be Regina, Rumplestilksin, and Hook again. I'd give it 5/10. The most interesting new character to me is Alice/Tilly, and I am curious to know her connection to Rumple/Weaver. They play her up as very mysterious and I like characters that are mysterious.

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    • I think it’s funny that the new season with Once Upon A Time has Cinderella has a main character when I am currently helping out with a production of The King & I which has themes related to slavery. I actually had practice for that today. Anyway, it would be cool if Once took advantage of the whole slave with Cinderella. She could have been sold to Lady Tremaine and just calls them stepmother for some reason maybe she could even start some kind of rebellion (though I’m not sure if they had those kinds of slaves back in those times) anyway it was just a thought I had

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    • Yep as my gutt tolled me and predicted to me yesterday,i watched the whole episode 7x01 including Promo trailer and Sneak Peek for 7x02 and it preety much sucked for me,it just dint give me the feels that past Six seasons did.

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    • Omg, Lady Tremaine is Miranda Priestly all over again. A very similar scene from "Devil wears parada".

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    • I thought this episode was decent. Didn't give me the same feels as the Pilot but I enjoyed. I thought it was very fast paced, and I wished they slowed down a little. I really love Cinderella - she's a badass in the EF and I love the struggling single-mother angle she's given in the present storyline.

      I feel like this episode, and this season in general are going to have a lot of relatable themes (class-struggles, parenthood etc,) which is pretty exciting

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    • I liked the premiere. As long as this season doesn't get cancelled mid season, I'm happy.

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    • 123456K wrote:
      I liked the premiere. As long as this season doesn't get cancelled mid season, I'm happy.

      Something tells me my friend that chould actully ocure in future.

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    • I really expected more from this episode. They are trying too hard to replicate the feel of season one and still be "original", but from what I saw, it didn't work. 

      Cinderella is my favorite fairy tale and, frankly, I don't like this version, but after Peter Pan I really should have expected that. Why does Cinderella have to punch Henry in the face? To show that she is badass? Were there no other ways to show it? The prince killed Cinderella's father! I have to admit it was a good twist, but kill him after only a few minutes! He as a villain would be ten times better and more interesting to the story. Cinderella is not very smart right? KillIng a royal family member with hundreds of witnesses in a place where you probably will not be able to escape easily IS NOT A GOOD IDEA!!! Cinderella left a class slipper for Henry to find, my god, that scene was the best of the episode. How did Lady Tremaine catch the fairy godmother? Why did she help Cinderella go to the ball when she was planning to kill someone? I prefer Storybrooke.

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    • Victor Colares wrote:
      I really expected more from this episode. They are trying too hard to replicate the feel of season one and still be "original", but from what I saw, it didn't work. 

      Cinderella is my favorite fairy tale and, frankly, I don't like this version, but after Peter Pan I really should have expected that. Why does Cinderella have to punch Henry in the face? To show that she is badass? Were there no other ways to show it? The prince killed Cinderella's father! I have to admit it was a good twist, but kill him after only a few minutes! He as a villain would be ten times better and more interesting to the story. Cinderella is not very smart right? KillIng a royal family member with hundreds of witnesses in a place where you probably will not be able to escape easily IS NOT A GOOD IDEA!!! Cinderella left a class slipper for Henry to find, my god, that scene was the best of the episode. How did Lady Tremaine catch the fairy godmother? Why did she help Cinderella go to the ball when she was planning to kill someone? I prefer Storybrooke.

      Sometimes A&E can creat good storylines,seasons and episodes but at same time they can creat really bad and worst ones.

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    • Kunica wrote:
      123456K wrote:
      I liked the premiere. As long as this season doesn't get cancelled mid season, I'm happy.
      Something tells me my friend that chould actully ocure in future.

      No it won't. ABC has a vested interest in this show.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      123456K wrote:
      I liked the premiere. As long as this season doesn't get cancelled mid season, I'm happy.
      Something tells me my friend that chould actully ocure in future.
      No it won't. ABC has a vested interest in this show.

      CoolDudeAl- If OUAT has good ratings,positive critical reception and good viwer ratings of course ABC will renwe it for another season 8 ,but it all depends once again on OUAT fans wethere they love,like,hate or just dont care anymore for ONCE.

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    • Kunica wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      123456K wrote:
      I liked the premiere. As long as this season doesn't get cancelled mid season, I'm happy.
      Something tells me my friend that chould actully ocure in future.
      No it won't. ABC has a vested interest in this show.
      CoolDudeAl- If OUAT has good ratings,positive critical reception and good viwer ratings of course ABC will renwe it for another season 8 ,but it all depends once again on OUAT fans wethere they love,like,hate or just dont care anymore for ONCE.

      I'm specifically refering to it not getting canceled mid-season. Season 8 is still up in the air.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      123456K wrote:
      I liked the premiere. As long as this season doesn't get cancelled mid season, I'm happy.
      Something tells me my friend that chould actully ocure in future.
      No it won't. ABC has a vested interest in this show.

      Like my friend Victor just tolled us,the intere storyline,charchters,locations and timelines just suck,and they arent evean intresting like other diffrent past charchters,storylienes and worlds that have apeard in past 6 Seasons.

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    • Kunica wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      123456K wrote:
      I liked the premiere. As long as this season doesn't get cancelled mid season, I'm happy.
      Something tells me my friend that chould actully ocure in future.
      No it won't. ABC has a vested interest in this show.
      Like my friend Victor just tolled us,the intere storyline,charchters,locations and timelines just suck,and they arent evean intresting like other diffrent past charchters,storylienes and worlds that have apeard in past 6 Seasons.

      To you. I found it quite interesting.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      123456K wrote:
      I liked the premiere. As long as this season doesn't get cancelled mid season, I'm happy.
      Something tells me my friend that chould actully ocure in future.
      No it won't. ABC has a vested interest in this show.
      Like my friend Victor just tolled us,the intere storyline,charchters,locations and timelines just suck,and they arent evean intresting like other diffrent past charchters,storylienes and worlds that have apeard in past 6 Seasons.
      To you. I found it quite interesting.

      True.but we see how it will go on.

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    • I thought it was pretty good. Everything moved so quickly. I can see why some people love it and why others hate it.

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    • I have mixed feelings about this episode. There were some good moments, like the cursed versions of the characters, and some bad moments, like the whole Alice-in-the-cave scene. I liked seeing Hook and Regina and the rest, and it was definitely interesting to see the mirrorings of the pilot episode. There did seem to be a lot of characters and backstory to cover, and I am a little worried that the writers won't be able to handle it, but for that we'll just have to wait and see.

      I'm not crazy about a few of the characters. I didn't really like Alice, but that's mostly just my love for "Once Upon A Time In Wonderland" talking. Lucy was definitely a sweet character, but I personally think it's stretching belief that she's either Henry or Cinderella's child---she doesn't really look like either of them. Cinderella is interesting, and I have no real qualms with her, but I am disappointed that they used that story when there were so many possibilities. Sure, it's familiar, and has an easy villain set-up, but how much more interesting would it be to have a lesser known fairytale princess? Or one that was completely made up? It would also solve a problem that's annoying me---Henry "inserting" himself into the story. If his love interest was lesser known, it wouldn't be as much of a problem, and if she were a completely new character it would raise more interesting dilemmas then him having to insert himself in there. Her being Cinderella is still an interesting story, but compared to the route they could've taken, it's a little disappointing.

      For a pilot episode, it wasn't too bad, but I hope the season gets a little better by the next few episodes.

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    • Emillian Swanones wrote:

      I think her and Henry have a lot of chemistry and I’ve already started to ship them (is there an official ship name yet?).

      Henryella. I mean, I don't know if that's the official ship name, but it really should be.

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    • I really liked it!  Not sold on the weird new Alice though, I just don't think she's very likable yet.  I like the twist they gave the new Cinderella.  I didn't think it was a cut and paste of the original pilot at all, it was similar but totally different.  Season 7 and hopefully beyond is definitely Henry's story whereas 1-6 were definitley Emma's story.  Can't wait to see more!  

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    • RandomGirl1995 wrote:
      I have mixed feelings about this episode. There were some good moments, like the cursed versions of the characters, and some bad moments, like the whole Alice-in-the-cave scene. I liked seeing Hook and Regina and the rest, and it was definitely interesting to see the mirrorings of the pilot episode. There did seem to be a lot of characters and backstory to cover, and I am a little worried that the writers won't be able to handle it, but for that we'll just have to wait and see.

      I'm not crazy about a few of the characters. I didn't really like Alice, but that's mostly just my love for "Once Upon A Time In Wonderland" talking. Lucy was definitely a sweet character, but I personally think it's stretching belief that she's either Henry or Cinderella's child---she doesn't really look like either of them. Cinderella is interesting, and I have no real qualms with her, but I am disappointed that they used that story when there were so many possibilities. Sure, it's familiar, and has an easy villain set-up, but how much more interesting would it be to have a lesser known fairytale princess? Or one that was completely made up? It would also solve a problem that's annoying me---Henry "inserting" himself into the story. If his love interest was lesser known, it wouldn't be as much of a problem, and if she were a completely new character it would raise more interesting dilemmas then him having to insert himself in there. Her being Cinderella is still an interesting story, but compared to the route they could've taken, it's a little disappointing.

      For a pilot episode, it wasn't too bad, but I hope the season gets a little better by the next few episodes.

      The whole point i dint liked the charchters that were introduced in 7x01 and shall be in other episodes to come,is because if there are 2 Cinderellas in OUATveres than that means there are lets say 2000 or 5000 diffrent LWM versions of Cinderella also existing ,plus the reboot-reagul storyline and once again Dark Curse "Season 1 " efect it just makes this season boring and not very much intresting.So i know for a fact that this Season 7 wont be like Season 6 was.

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    • Saw the episode twice to give a fair judgement and I have to say I really like it, though it looks really different.

      I enjoyed the flashbacks the most. I liked the twist of Cinderella wanting to kill the prince and Lady Tremaine looks like a great villain. Alice and Drizella intrigue me as well and loved Tiana's line about frog legs lol

      Present day was very weird because it really looked like a different show, so I kinda have to get used to it, but the introductions of the various characters were good and I can't wait to know more about them and their identities. Beautiful message as well with Roni's speech.

      Speaking of Roni, I love her already. Lana is having fun playing this character and she shows it. Rogers is very different from Hook and that's why I liked him lol. Weaver really intrigues me as well. 

      I love Andrew as Henry. He did an amazing job and I'm ready to follow his story. His scenes with Lucy were great (this girl is so cute!) and he has tons of chemistry with Dania (even though, I have to be honest, I'm not 100% convinced about Dania's acting as Jacinda, while she did a good work on Cinderella).

      Like I said, Tremaine/Victoria is gonna be a great villain, and Gabrielle is already bringing it. Alice is so mysterious, and I'm really curious about her backstory, and Rose is bringing it as well. Loved Adelaide as well, but it's weird to listen to her speaking with an American accent lol. Wish we saw more of Tiana.

      General grade is 8 out of 10.

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    • Wish we saw more of Tiana.

      We're seeing more of her in The Garden of Forking Paths. She will have scenes with Henry, Cinderella, Regina and Hook in the New Enchanted Forest.

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    • Good points from everyone. Just wanted to remind everyone to check out the wiki pages for the characters and places in this episode, as we have them all looking pretty good. I few still need a bit of help, check my post at the bottom of this thread if you want to help:

      http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:290466

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    • I haven't seen the full episode yet, but the clips I did see were very enjoyable. I love Roni, she feels like a more rougher character but still has some of her old Regina sass and I loved the scene were she faced off against Victoria. I found Lady Tremaine to be an interesting character though. She's like tough love gone too extreme and she seems to genuinely care for Lucy. But, the scene where Lady Tremaine kills the Fairy Godmother was heartbraking and I was wondering if there is a chance she can make another appearance later on? Is there a wiki page for the FGM?

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    • I thought Henery & Cinderella was kinda boring together. I liked the interactions between Henry & his daughter [Lucy], but it remimed me more of Jefferson & Emma's interactions then it did Henry & Emma's interactions.

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    • I thought it was really entertaining, it was maybe too fast, but it was smooth and things were happening, I like all the new characters, obviously a lot of them had little screentime, Victoria's entrance is the best, just like Roni vs Victoria conversation, and she killed 2 people in a few scenes, wow! I like that she's a bitch, but also funny sometimes, she's deliciously evil, at least in fairy tale land. Hook seems a bit wasted for now, Roni... I want to have a bartender like her in my neightborhood. I didn't expect Weaver to be so evil and... to have kept eyes on Henry. Jacinda's story needs a lot more before I can judge it, let's see, but I liked her so far, and Lucy as well.

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    • The best part for me had to be Dania Ramirez as Jacinda/Cinderella. Fell for her pretty instantly and she's definitely the one thing that'll have me coming back next week. I'm intrigued enough by Rumple's new role and I liked him keeping tabs on Henry via Alice, but without Belle I have a feeling I won't be enjoying him as much.

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    • (MOD): Guess I have some backtracking to do...

      But as a general note, "rants and raves" go the Rant and Rave Board. Spoilers from episode not aired go on the Spoiler Board! 

      Thanks!

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    • i liked it, and can;t wait to see where it will take us.

      something interesting i noticed: rogers the cop is wearing a black glove, and seems to move his fingers at the end of the episode. so i wonder what's under there, a hook? or was it a filming mistake?

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    • Esk's Grade Report

      Plot (2.5 out of 3)

      - The hardest problem for Once is to not retread and repeat. I think they did a good job keeping the story interesting. The pacing was mostly smooth, the macguffins (Once's weak spot) were fine so far. Hey, we can all have a sigh of relief that they didn't bring back the enchanted cuff again.

      - A potential downside is that it was a little on the nose a bit too much, like "Hey, HEY, this is Cinderella. This is Tiana! Look frogs! Look here! Look here!" As an establishing premiere and standalone, it's understandable. If it happens every episode, then that's a little problematic unless it's a motif to the character. (Change my mind, it shouldn't be given slack, given this is also a "sequel".)

      Character (3.5 out of 4)

      - As a premiere, there's some slack to be given. However, as half of the grade will tend to be....the old characters can't stand in a vacuum.

      - Old: Weaver generates the most intrigue, while Roni gets a lengthy monologue. Rogers...got scenes, I guess. So, the downed half-a-point (partially) goes to an uneven entrance. Given what is likely to come, it'll likely balance this out.

      - New: Some might be stuck to nostalgia and "no change", but Jace in either world brings a unique style and story to relate to Cinderella. I feared potential niches and she defied those, both her and Lucy. Some are hard on child actors, but I think Allison and Dania play off each other well. Victoria is love-to-hate, Anwar does her well and we get glimpses of her character in all the things she does, while her lines hint at "other" things we may learn about her. Alice generates immense intrigue. Drizzy and Tiana are fine in their small roles. The part of the down-point is mostly Tiana's section that could have been a little more fleshed out. It's very possible most missed who she was and how many scenes she was in.

      Balance (2 out of 2)

      - Adam and Eddy, while less subtle, know how to balance humor and serious, fantasy and mundane. Might be a bit dramatic at times, but it flows equally, whether in fairytaleland or not.

      Fandom Outlook (0.5 out of 1)

      - Personally, I'd give this an 8/10. However, there are some that have recognized points with some valid issues and might dislike the episode (or think it's at least only subpar). I think it's a mixed response, which to Adam and Eddy is the best outcome they were likely looking for.

      Overall (8.5 out of 10)

      - Adam and Eddy always do the premieres and they usually are well received. Might lean a bit high, but that's primarily taking the show as a reboot, then secondly as a sequel = "requel". I don't expect the Fan Outlook section to ever really change, but I find the weights are properly made Character > Plot > Balance > Fan Outlook. After all, only ratings tell us how the show is recieved bar the quality.

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    • I have a question, I’m wondering how is this curse going to be broken? The first curse was broken since Snow and Charming’s true love was mixed into it making Emma the Savior, but is there a new Savior for this curse? Is Henry the Savior now? Though he’s the author, but is he only the author of the first book or all of the books? Is this even the Dark Curse? It seems like only one neighborhood was created not a whole town and some of the people were scattered and it looks like some people have their memories, at least Lucy does for some reason. Could it be a different curse?

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Thoughts? Feelings? Theories? How'd you rate it?

      Rating: 6.5/10.... the episode felt rushed, and Cinderella was a bit of a YA fantasy cliche. 

      Theories: Rogers totally remembers that he is Captain Hook, after reading Henry's book.

      Thoughts: Both Alice and Drizella seem to have a lot of potential as characters, both in FTL and Seattle. 

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    • GoodWitchOfTheNorth wrote:
      I haven't seen the full episode yet, but the clips I did see were very enjoyable. I love Roni, she feels like a more rougher character but still has some of her old Regina sass and I loved the scene were she faced off against Victoria. I found Lady Tremaine to be an interesting character though. She's like tough love gone too extreme and she seems to genuinely care for Lucy. But, the scene where Lady Tremaine kills the Fairy Godmother was heartbraking and I was wondering if there is a chance she can make another appearance later on? Is there a wiki page for the FGM?

      She doesn't have a page. She can make appearances later on in FB, at any point in the timeline before she was killed, just like any character who gets killed. I suspect we see her and the Prince in at least one other episode.

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    • EvaC wrote:
      i liked it, and can;t wait to see where it will take us.

      something interesting i noticed: rogers the cop is wearing a black glove, and seems to move his fingers at the end of the episode. so i wonder what's under there, a hook? or was it a filming mistake?

      Assumably it is a prothetic hand.

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    • LadyTremaine wrote:
      About the episode itself, i felt like Regina, Hook (or whoever he is) and Rumple are being only this season's background. I feel like the center will be Henry and Cinderella.

      For Regina, that would go against a lot of the stuff A&E said in some of their interviews. From what they said it sounds like Regina is not just a "background character". Eddy even went so far in one of the interviews as to say that Regina "plays a huge part" in this season. And that "Regina fans have nothing to worry about." "She's front and center, as always."

      I'll try to find those interviews again and post up the links if I do. I think it was interviews with EW if I remember correctly. Though it was a while back, so I might need to do some digging to find them.

      I also remember A&E saying that they are excited to explore what Regina and Henry's relationship is going to be like, now that he is all grown up. So I really don't think that Regina is just simply a "background character" this season. Remember, the first episode of season 7 HAD to focus on introducing the new characters. The first order of business was to get that out of the way.

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    • One good twist I did love despite it being so minor--The Seattle woman said the "As long as I can remember". She's obviously not cursed and that's the nice twist on those words. 

      I do think that Henry, despite having lost his memories, has to believe Lucy because there's no way he couldn't at this point.

      Tremiane's goal may be smart (if she's aware). Use less magicky things, spread people out a little more moderny, and use standard corruption over weird curse control. However, this was the risk she took in being obviously debunked by any LWM person.

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    • Eh.

      To be honest, I made it only halfway through episode before I quit; I mean, if by Lana Parrilla's third scene the episode still hasn't taken off, smething's clearly wrong.

      Then I resumed and I watched it through the end because I don't leave things unfinished and… eh. I didn't totally hate it but something just didn't click.

      • Okay, I get they deliberately shot out to the Pilot and a lot of other S1 moments (wishing well and all), but rather than some legit nostalgia veil on a reboot, it felt like watching much of the same story over again, except it wasn't novel anymore and the mythology behind it is confusing to the point of frustration.
      • Andrew J. West made a good work at selling an adult Henry Mills: he had some mannerism that made it look like the same character as Jared's, I'm totally buying it. The new Henry's also less annoying than in the past seasons, so I'd call it much of an improvement overall. But as a lead he's just not nearly as compelling as S1!Emma was. She was never my top favourite character and I think her development got seriously derailed at some point, but she was a compelling lead back in S1. Henry is just… kinda there, I guess? He's just not as fun to watch.
      • Lana's final scene and monologue kinda saved the whole thing at the eleventh hour. Despite how background-y she was, Roni was the one highlight of this episode.
      • I've got problems with Weaver, namely: why give Robert Carlyle basically the same character as Mr. Gold (except less posh) when the writers already messed that one up pretty badly? At least Roni is a nice departure from Regina and brings in some fresh air.
      • Cinderella / Jacinda. Oh my god, where do I even begin. Dania Ramirez's acting just didn't sell me the character at all. Also, seriously, why Cinderella? Why? I mean, Cinderella is any writer's nightmare in the world of DIY online """feminism""", she's boud to be problematic. It's clear that much of her writing in this episode was a prevention / direct response to the "Cinderella is a bad rapresentation of women" argument, but having a gal punch a stranger in the face, attempt murder and wield a sword doesn't make her a strong female character. They did a much better job at deconstructing the Princess Classic archetype with Snow White in S1 because they took their time to do that, so it didn't feel that much on the nose. Jeez.
      • Victoria fell flat on her face – and that's definitely a bad sign because one thing Once has always excelled at was compelling villains. One casual murder here, one casual murder there, and she just seems to have a grudge against Cinderella because the fairy tale says so. Yes, we learned about Regina's true motive towards the end of S1, but it was crystal clear she had deeper layers; Victoria didn't give me that same vibe. Also, I liked the office scene better when it was still called The Devil Wears Prada. She came across as a discount Miranda Priestly desperately trying to be S1 Regina and that's bad. Drizella / Ivy seems to have more character, I'm betting on her.
      • You know what Hyperion Heights is missing? The whole "sleepy town in the middle of nowhere, barely even on the map, sorta out of time, where no one ever comes or goes due to miles and miles of forests" vibe, which was what made Storybrooke iconic and, in the beginning, even slightly creepy. Where's the creeps in just a disarrayed district in Seattle? What's stopping people from just crossing the street and living their lives outside in the mundane, beside Henry's bad timing? It doesn't feel nearly as menacing.
      • Also, what's up with Victoria's plan? Why scatter the residents and bring in outsiders? How does that even jam with the Curse's mechanics in the first place?
      • And finally, we come to the worst part of all: the storytelling doesn't make much sense. Back in S1, the Curse mechanics were crystal clear and the true mystery was finding out the true motive behind it (both on Rumple's and Regina's part). Here you can see the motives coming from a mile away, while mechanics are as confusing as they can get – why a real big city in the LWM rather than a made up town? Why some Storybrooke residents are there and others are not? Why are they the same age as they were before if the Curse was cast when Henry was already an adult? That doesn't make any sense even taking into account the "adultered" versions of the Curse we saw during the past seasons.
      • And above all, what's the deal with the multiple Cinderellas, stepsisters, Lady Tremains, Alices and so on? See, the mystery in the Pilot was acceptable because they were building the mythos from scratch, so the gradual discovery was bearable because we were totally in the dark. Here we have a bunch of elements that don't jam with six seasons of established mythos and came literally out of nowhere: what's up with that? Different retellings of the stories, that I can buy… but them actually being different characters to whom similar things happen… that takes away the whole "real people in magic situations" the show was built upon. It's just frustrating.

      So… I thought I'd hate this more than I actually did, but it still left me in-between uninterested and irked. Guys, so long: I'mma bail out until the winter break and see if a binge watch fixes it, or if it's been a nice (although often bumpy) six year ride I'm jumping off of mid-season. Bye!

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      • Cinderella / Jacinda. Oh my god, where do I even begin. Dania Ramirez's acting just didn't sell me the character at all. Also, seriously, why Cinderella? Why? I mean, Cinderella is any writer's nightmare in the world of DIY online """feminism""", she's boud to be problematic. It's clear that much of her writing in this episode was a prevention / direct response to the "Cinderella is a bad rapresentation of women" argument, but having a gal punch a stranger in the face, attempt murder and wield a sword doesn't make her a strong female character. They did a much better job at deconstructing the Princess Classic archetype with Snow White in S1 because they took their time to do that, so it didn't feel that much on the nose. Jeez.
      • Victoria fell flat on her face – and that's definitely a bad sign because one thing Once has always excelled at was compelling villains. One casual murder here, one casual murder there, and she just seems to have a grudge against Cinderella because the fairy tale says so. Yes, we learned about Regina's true motive towards the end of S1, but it was crystal clear she had deeper layers; Victoria didn't give me that same vibe. Also, I liked the office scene better when it was still called The Devil Wears Prada. She came across as a discount Miranda Priestly desperately trying to be S1 Regina and that's bad. Drizella / Ivy seems to have more character, I'm betting on her.

      I wholeheartedly agree!

      Cinderella and Lady Tremaine were the least compelling new characters. This version of Cinderella of the character, did not fix any of the issues with the fairytale. She was so cliched, that is was boarderline offensive. While, you perfectly summed up why Lady Tremaine is a lame villain. 

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      • Okay, I get they deliberately shot out to the Pilot and a lot of other S1 moments (wishing well and all), but rather than some legit nostalgia veil on a reboot, it felt like watching much of the same story over again, except it wasn't novel anymore and the mythology behind it is confusing to the point of frustration.
      • I've got problems with Weaver, namely: why give Robert Carlyle basically the same character as Mr. Gold (except less posh) when the writers already messed that one up pretty badly? At least Roni is a nice departure from Regina and brings in some fresh air.
      • Cinderella / Jacinda. Oh my god, where do I even begin. Dania Ramirez's acting just didn't sell me the character at all. Also, seriously, why Cinderella? Why? I mean, Cinderella is any writer's nightmare in the world of DIY online """feminism""", she's boud to be problematic. It's clear that much of her writing in this episode was a prevention / direct response to the "Cinderella is a bad rapresentation of women" argument, but having a gal punch a stranger in the face, attempt murder and wield a sword doesn't make her a strong female character. They did a much better job at deconstructing the Princess Classic archetype with Snow White in S1 because they took their time to do that, so it didn't feel that much on the nose. Jeez.
      • Victoria fell flat on her face – and that's definitely a bad sign because one thing Once has always excelled at was compelling villains. One casual murder here, one casual murder there, and she just seems to have a grudge against Cinderella because the fairy tale says so. Yes, we learned about Regina's true motive towards the end of S1, but it was crystal clear she had deeper layers; Victoria didn't give me that same vibe. Also, I liked the office scene better when it was still called The Devil Wears Prada. She came across as a discount Miranda Priestly desperately trying to be S1 Regina and that's bad. Drizella / Ivy seems to have more character, I'm betting on her.
      • You know what Hyperion Heights is missing? The whole "sleepy town in the middle of nowhere, barely even on the map, sorta out of time, where no one ever comes or goes due to miles and miles of forests" vibe, which was what made Storybrooke iconic and, in the beginning, even slightly creepy. Where's the creeps in just a disarrayed district in Seattle? What's stopping people from just crossing the street and living their lives outside in the mundane, beside Henry's bad timing? It doesn't feel nearly as menacing.
      • Also, what's up with Victoria's plan? Why scatter the residents and bring in outsiders? How does that even jam with the Curse's mechanics in the first place?
      • And finally, we come to the worst part of all: the storytelling doesn't make much sense. Back in S1, the Curse mechanics were crystal clear and the true mystery was finding out the true motive behind it (both on Rumple's and Regina's part). Here you can see the motives coming from a mile away, while mechanics are as confusing as they can get – why a real big city in the LWM rather than a made up town? Why some Storybrooke residents are there and others are not? Why are they the same age as they were before if the Curse was cast when Henry was already an adult? That doesn't make any sense even taking into account the "adultered" versions of the Curse we saw during the past seasons.
      • And above all, what's the deal with the multiple Cinderellas, stepsisters, Lady Tremains, Alices and so on? See, the mystery in the Pilot was acceptable because they were building the mythos from scratch, so the gradual discovery was bearable because we were totally in the dark. Here we have a bunch of elements that don't jam with six seasons of established mythos and came literally out of nowhere: what's up with that? Different retellings of the stories, that I can buy… but them actually being different characters to whom similar things happen… that takes away the whole "real people in magic situations" the show was built upon. It's just frustrating.

      You deserve a clap. This is good. This is so good *cries of joy of being understood*.

      • About the pilot copy-paste, it was totally rushed. Lucy's first scene, for example, she just started talking and throwing plot to Henry instead of show it.
      • Because Robert wants to be the bad guy and they don't know how to write other stuff for him. What was the point of the drowning we saw? Just a flat character's cheap cliche, like lady Tremaine's murders.
      • Cinderella/ Jacinda is a total Mary Sue... A latina Mary Sue. Another cliche that made you laugh. Her story in the episode was totally... Well... I don't know how to say it. They have been talking about "a badass girl" and she spent the whole episode crying (and acting like a Mary Sue). And at the ball, when things got bad, what did she do? "Henry..." she moaned, asking for help. Also, I didn't see any "love" between she and Henry (btw, what the hell was he doing, asking a woman if she's single mother? A woman he doesn't know! (Roll eyes). The "love story" was so rushed that they seemed just h-o-r-n-y and not in love. And the scene trying to kill the prince... He said thanks! Thanks for not kill me, I'm not calling the guards to imprision you? Thanks... Thanks what? And Cinderella didn't see lady Tremaine coming?
      • Nothing to add about lady Tremaine. You're totally right. Kudos... Just that her speech "power can be taken, but fear lust for ever...". Mmm... I don't know, Mrs. Tremaine, but fear isn't eternal. Fear dies when "the evil" is absent for a while or when you overpass it (like when you learn how to ride a bike). And, I'm not wrong, how you provoque fear in HH? By being powerfull, isn't it?
      • The point is that they've been saying in the interviews that "whoever" casted the curse, lady Tremaine and Drizella studied the past curses and improved a new one. Ok. Now let me laugh about that "improved new curse". How many days they had been cursed? Henry, who has fake memories, remember that his family lies in a cementery. He goes to that cementery and finds out that it doesn't exist. Clap, lady Tremaine or "whoever". Regina's curse, Regina's not improve curse dominated a realm for 28 years. This would be lucky if stands for 28 days. And Lucy, who's awake (who knows why... BTW, the scenes in 6x21/22 are not canon anymore), has told him everything...
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    • I liked Jacinda, but I didn’t like Cinderella.

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    • Hera Pan wrote:

      You deserve a clap. This is good. This is so good *cries of joy of being understood*.

      • Cinderella/ Jacinda is a total Mary Sue... A latina Mary Sue. Another cliche that made you laugh. Her story in the episode was totally... Well... I don't know how to say it. 

      And you deserve a clap for this!

      Pretty sure latina is an ethnicity, not a personality trait. The problem is writers seem to forget that, and it is horribly offensive. My eyes were rolling everytime Cinderella/Jacinda opened her mouth. It was excruciating to listen to her. Also, the premise of "Cinderella going to the ball to assassinate the prince" is not an original idea. It is what inspired that utterly, cliched YA fantasy series known as Throne of Glass

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    • If you want to complain so much about Cinderella/Jacinda, we have a rant section made for that ^^

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      One good twist I did love despite it being so minor--The Seattle woman said the "As long as I can remember". She's obviously not cursed and that's the nice twist on those words. 

      I do think that Henry, despite having lost his memories, has to believe Lucy because there's no way he couldn't at this point.

      Tremiane's goal may be smart (if she's aware). Use less magicky things, spread people out a little more moderny, and use standard corruption over weird curse control. However, this was the risk she took in being obviously debunked by any LWM person.

      Actually, I quite agree with all your points.

      And especially about this one: "if she's aware". Because yeah, strictly speaking, they never made clear if Victoria remembers or not. Naturally, we ared tend to believe she does, cos she is the villain & throwback to the pilot.

      And that's why I think S7 is going to be particularly interesting. Clearly, they're doing some parallels and/or throwbacks to the first season, but at the same time, I feel like they're gonna use our knowledge of the season to deceive us and to surprise us.

      To me, Victoria is the first example to that point. I really think she is not aware (yet?) like the others.

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    • Hera Pan wrote:
      GothicNarcissus wrote:
      • Okay, I get they deliberately shot out to the Pilot and a lot of other S1 moments (wishing well and all), but rather than some legit nostalgia veil on a reboot, it felt like watching much of the same story over again, except it wasn't novel anymore and the mythology behind it is confusing to the point of frustration.
      • I've got problems with Weaver, namely: why give Robert Carlyle basically the same character as Mr. Gold (except less posh) when the writers already messed that one up pretty badly? At least Roni is a nice departure from Regina and brings in some fresh air.
      • Cinderella / Jacinda. Oh my god, where do I even begin. Dania Ramirez's acting just didn't sell me the character at all. Also, seriously, why Cinderella? Why? I mean, Cinderella is any writer's nightmare in the world of DIY online """feminism""", she's boud to be problematic. It's clear that much of her writing in this episode was a prevention / direct response to the "Cinderella is a bad rapresentation of women" argument, but having a gal punch a stranger in the face, attempt murder and wield a sword doesn't make her a strong female character. They did a much better job at deconstructing the Princess Classic archetype with Snow White in S1 because they took their time to do that, so it didn't feel that much on the nose. Jeez.
      • Victoria fell flat on her face – and that's definitely a bad sign because one thing Once has always excelled at was compelling villains. One casual murder here, one casual murder there, and she just seems to have a grudge against Cinderella because the fairy tale says so. Yes, we learned about Regina's true motive towards the end of S1, but it was crystal clear she had deeper layers; Victoria didn't give me that same vibe. Also, I liked the office scene better when it was still called The Devil Wears Prada. She came across as a discount Miranda Priestly desperately trying to be S1 Regina and that's bad. Drizella / Ivy seems to have more character, I'm betting on her.
      • You know what Hyperion Heights is missing? The whole "sleepy town in the middle of nowhere, barely even on the map, sorta out of time, where no one ever comes or goes due to miles and miles of forests" vibe, which was what made Storybrooke iconic and, in the beginning, even slightly creepy. Where's the creeps in just a disarrayed district in Seattle? What's stopping people from just crossing the street and living their lives outside in the mundane, beside Henry's bad timing? It doesn't feel nearly as menacing.
      • Also, what's up with Victoria's plan? Why scatter the residents and bring in outsiders? How does that even jam with the Curse's mechanics in the first place?
      • And finally, we come to the worst part of all: the storytelling doesn't make much sense. Back in S1, the Curse mechanics were crystal clear and the true mystery was finding out the true motive behind it (both on Rumple's and Regina's part). Here you can see the motives coming from a mile away, while mechanics are as confusing as they can get – why a real big city in the LWM rather than a made up town? Why some Storybrooke residents are there and others are not? Why are they the same age as they were before if the Curse was cast when Henry was already an adult? That doesn't make any sense even taking into account the "adultered" versions of the Curse we saw during the past seasons.
      • And above all, what's the deal with the multiple Cinderellas, stepsisters, Lady Tremains, Alices and so on? See, the mystery in the Pilot was acceptable because they were building the mythos from scratch, so the gradual discovery was bearable because we were totally in the dark. Here we have a bunch of elements that don't jam with six seasons of established mythos and came literally out of nowhere: what's up with that? Different retellings of the stories, that I can buy… but them actually being different characters to whom similar things happen… that takes away the whole "real people in magic situations" the show was built upon. It's just frustrating.
      You deserve a clap. This is good. This is so good *cries of joy of being understood*.
      • About the pilot copy-paste, it was totally rushed. Lucy's first scene, for example, she just started talking and throwing plot to Henry instead of show it.
      • Because Robert wants to be the bad guy and they don't know how to write other stuff for him. What was the point of the drowning we saw? Just a flat character's cheap cliche, like lady Tremaine's murders.
      • Cinderella/ Jacinda is a total Mary Sue... A latina Mary Sue. Another cliche that made you laugh. Her story in the episode was totally... Well... I don't know how to say it. They have been talking about "a badass girl" and she spent the whole episode crying (and acting like a Mary Sue). And at the ball, when things got bad, what did she do? "Henry..." she moaned, asking for help. Also, I didn't see any "love" between she and Henry (btw, what the hell was he doing, asking a woman if she's single mother? A woman he doesn't know! (Roll eyes). The "love story" was so rushed that they seemed just h-o-r-n-y and not in love. And the scene trying to kill the prince... He said thanks! Thanks for not kill me, I'm not calling the guards to imprision you? Thanks... Thanks what? And Cinderella didn't see lady Tremaine coming?
      • Nothing to add about lady Tremaine. You're totally right. Kudos... Just that her speech "power can be taken, but fear lust for ever...". Mmm... I don't know, Mrs. Tremaine, but fear isn't eternal. Fear dies when "the evil" is absent for a while or when you overpass it (like when you learn how to ride a bike). And, I'm not wrong, how you provoque fear in HH? By being powerfull, isn't it?
      • The point is that they've been saying in the interviews that "whoever" casted the curse, lady Tremaine and Drizella studied the past curses and improved a new one. Ok. Now let me laugh about that "improved new curse". How many days they had been cursed? Henry, who has fake memories, remember that his family lies in a cementery. He goes to that cementery and finds out that it doesn't exist. Clap, lady Tremaine or "whoever". Regina's curse, Regina's not improve curse dominated a realm for 28 years. This would be lucky if stands for 28 days. And Lucy, who's awake (who knows why... BTW, the scenes in 6x21/22 are not canon anymore), has told him everything

      Well said Hera,well said.

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    • It was quite good!

      I love Andrew already, I think Alison did a very good job as Lucy, Adelaide is perfect, Rose was interesting and the little we saw of Mekia pleased me.

      As to Gabrielle and her character it reminded me a lot of Emma Rigby's Anastasia in the sense that I thought it was very weak at first, but gradually they grew and I ended up loving. Therefore, by the end of the episode, I think Tremaine/Victoria will be nice, it just wasn't as good as it could have been in the beginning.

      The one problem I have with the premiere (aside from the gas and battery in NEF thing lol) is Dania. I don't want to judge it yet, because it is still very soon, but, no offense, I did not like her acting (or her character, for that matter) at all. Right now I'm sorry Violet is gone.

      Roni is OK, not great as others thought, but cool. Don't have an opinion on Weaver. I like Rogers, and I'm glad I'll finally watch Colin without feeling a bit of disgust (I never got to like Hook, sadly).

      Overall, the episode was quite solid and entertaining, I think the season will progress well and might very well not be the last.

      Eager for 702 already

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    • The creators of the show said back in July that just because Victoria is our new villain, she may not have been the one who cast the curse which maybe the reason some of us don't think she has her memories like all the others.  

      http://ew.com/tv/2017/07/25/once-upon-time-season-7-curse-spoilers/


      I also find it funny that they didn't catch that Henry had two different shirts in the beginning of the episode.  Yes part of it was actually filmed during season 6 (this is when Henry's shirt is green) and the other part was filmed during season 7 (this is when his shirt is gray) but come on!  No big deal but it's still funny.  

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    • I wonder if we'll ever know the true timeline. Henry must be, like, in his thirties, 'cause Lucy is around 8-10 and he met Cinderella as an adult.

      I do wish they slowed down and didn't rush the flashbacks. But what do you mean, the scenes in 6x21x22 aren't canon anymore? 

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    • While people do have some valid concerns, I think alot of you are being way too harsh. I don't remember anyone complaining that they didn't know enough about Red Riding Hood, or that they didn't answer enough plot questions, after watching the Pilot. This is pretty clearly a 22 episode season, your not going to get 22 episodes of plot and character in 1 hour of show.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      While people do have some valid concerns, I think alot of you are being way too harsh. I don't remember anyone complaining that they didn't know enough about Red Riding Hood, or that they didn't answer enough plot questions, after watching the Pilot. This is pretty clearly a 22 episode season, your not going to get 22 episodes of plot and character in 1 hour of show.

      Most of that discussion has drifted (and should drift) to the Rant and Rave version.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      While people do have some valid concerns, I think alot of you are being way too harsh. I don't remember anyone complaining that they didn't know enough about Red Riding Hood, or that they didn't answer enough plot questions, after watching the Pilot. This is pretty clearly a 22 episode season, your not going to get 22 episodes of plot and character in 1 hour of show.
      Most of that discussion has drifted (and should drift) to the Rant and Rave version.

      I noticed. Still think it's fair to point out on here, since even in mostly positive reviews, it seemed to be a complaint.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      While people do have some valid concerns, I think alot of you are being way too harsh. I don't remember anyone complaining that they didn't know enough about Red Riding Hood, or that they didn't answer enough plot questions, after watching the Pilot. This is pretty clearly a 22 episode season, your not going to get 22 episodes of plot and character in 1 hour of show.

      The season 7 premiere really should have been a two-episode-back-to-back airing. Why they did not do this is beyond me.

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    • DSP88 wrote:
      The creators of the show said back in July that just because Victoria is our new villain, she may not have been the one who cast the curse which maybe the reason some of us don't think she has her memories like all the others.  

      http://ew.com/tv/2017/07/25/once-upon-time-season-7-curse-spoilers/


      I also find it funny that they didn't catch that Henry had two different shirts in the beginning of the episode.  Yes part of it was actually filmed during season 6 (this is when Henry's shirt is green) and the other part was filmed during season 7 (this is when his shirt is gray) but come on!  No big deal but it's still funny.  

      That thing about Henry's shirt, the same thing happened with Regina in season 3 (I think). I can't remember the exact episode, but anyway there is an episode where all of the other characters outfits remain the same throughout the whole episode, except for Regina. In the beginning of the episode she is wearing one outfit, and then halfway through the episode her outfit has changed, while everyone elses remains the same. I think it's that episode where she tries to contact her dead mother. Which would be in season 3B, I think.

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    • I did think it felt a bit super-fast paced (or rushed) but I kinda liked it a lot. It's nowhere near as bad as I thought it'd be, given Ive been against the whole new versions of old characters since the beginning. 

      - I love Andrew as Henry and I love Dania and I like their dynamic. 

      - I liked how they presented the alternative versions

      - Gabrielle Anwar is a great version of Lady Tremaine, even though I don't understand why her mouth doesn't move when she speaks as Victoria. 

      - Victoria's entrance was great. 

      - Alice is great and I can already feel she'll be my favorite character. 'AND OTHER PLACES!! you have one weird trip and it's all anyone knows about you.' best line so far hahaha. 

      - I like Sabine and Cinderella as roommates. 

      - Besides Hook, Rumple and Regina felt... forced. As in, I could do without them, and I never expected to say that. 

      - The garden with the wishing well was a nice touch, though it's not nearly as poetic as the clock hahaha. 

      - If Rapunzel is on the lighthouse, I love the foreshadowing they're doing.  

      CONS: 

      - They cut too many things, like references to Emma and the Charmings. 

      - And when did Henry drink at the ball? And how did Victoria know Henry's last name is Mills? Stuff like that bug me but ok. 

      Welcome back OUAT 2.0! 

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    • Nakis91 wrote:

      - And when did Henry drink at the ball? And how did Victoria know Henry's last name is Mills? Stuff like that bug me but ok. 

      Welcome back OUAT 2.0! 

      If you rewatch the scene, towards the beginning when Henry is following Cinderella he takes a drink from Alice.

      The second one could be answered if Victoria still has her memories and would therefore know who Henry is, but that is not confirmed as of yet so their is no answer.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:

      Nakis91 wrote:

      - And when did Henry drink at the ball? And how did Victoria know Henry's last name is Mills? Stuff like that bug me but ok. 

      Welcome back OUAT 2.0! 

      If you rewatch the scene, towards the beginning when Henry is following Cinderella he takes a drink from Alice.

      The second one could be answered if Victoria still has her memories and would therefore know who Henry is, but that is not confirmed as of yet so their is no answer.

      Henry is an author in this world and she knows him, I think

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    • I thought it was decent enough to keep watching but rather ho-hum overall. The idea of alternate versions of established characters intrigues me and actually serves as a plausable in-universe explanation for the LWM's knowledge of everyone and I hope it goes somewhere. The Cinderella thing doesn't do much for me though, since she and her stepmother were just revesited a season ago. I also have to say that I hope Dr. Facilifer ISN'T the true vllain. I'm a huge Keith David fan and the Princess and the Frog was fine but...Dracula or some other more monstrous big bad should be the one behind what we saw in 6b's finale,not him. 

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    • (Hello just watched with the sister, who loved it and was-and I quote-"shook").

      I thought it was.....meh. They were trying to put too much into one episode and it all just felt very disjointed at some parts. I felt like they wrote the scenes first and then tried to put them in order.

      I feel like it lacked the magic that seasons 1-3 (and parts of 4-6) had. That part of the show felt like A&E were telling a story they wanted to tell and were passionate about. This feels like they are writing for the sake of a paycheck.

      It doesn't help that the characters are basically copies of the originals; Jacinda=Emma, Lucy=Henry, Jacinda/Lucy=Swan Believer, Victoria=Regina.

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    • The GOOD

      -I liked that Cinderella was in suicidal mode. Her plan was pretty much a kamikaze mission because there is way she could escape after killing the prince in the middle of a ball. (Not without any help that is)

      -Her plan was ok. I mean, the guy is a prince. He always has guards around. A ball was the perfect occasion to get close enough to the prince to kill him

      -I liked what Alice said: Do not interfere if this isn't yout story of bad things will happen. It's like the ripple effect when you change things during a time travel. But the question is does this mean Rumple got back his ability to see the future?

      -I liked Henry. I actually I liked as much as liked Emma back in season 1. And the most important thing here is: Henry is cursed, he has fake memories. So, he is not supposed to be the new Emma. He is this season's Mary Margaret.

      -They didn't explain the curse. Which is bad for new viewers, but good for us. It adds a bit of mystery to the plot. 

      -I kinda like the new setting in HH, but I would like better if it was more like corrupted. With crime and bribes and sex offenders (lol), etc something like Gotham city, but toned down of course. Something that make us feel like the place needs a hero, a savior

      -Roni was ok, but I think she was a litltle too Regina for me. Like, I can see that's Regina cursed. I expected to see something different, but I've got the feeling she'll surprise us. Mostly because she is Lana Parilla, a fan favorite. I guess they wrote something very special for her. Can't wait to see how the character evolves. 

      -After 6 seasons of Mary Margaret giving speeches about hope, now is Regina who gives them. It seems Lana inherited them from Ginny LOL

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    • Well, it seems that doesn't matter the book or universe, Cinderella's FairyGodmother is destined to poof out of existence seconds after being introduced. I'm curious as to why this particular fairy looked old, as I thought that fairies in Once Upon a Time didn't age.

      I saw the episode expecting to be dissatisfied, but I was proved wrong. It was actually pretty fun to watch and it gave Once Upon a Time a breath of fresh air. Six seasons of the other main characters was definitely enough.

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    • I rewatched this episode. So Henry was disappointed that he wasn't in any versions of the stories and that there is only one of him. But what about Wish Realm Henry? The one who is chasing who he thought was the Wish Realm Evil Queen (actually Regina) for killing the Charmings. Are the stories of Wish Realm not count as a version and so there are at least two Henrys.

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    • Seasrmar wrote:
      I rewatched this episode. So Henry was disappointed that he wasn't in any versions of the stories and that there is only one of him. But what about Wish Realm Henry? The one who is chasing who he thought was the Wish Realm Evil Queen (actually Regina) for killing the Charmings. Are the stories of Wish Realm not count as a version and so there are at least two Henrys.

      Henry makes no sense because of the meta-level of Once has risen. He doesn't really mean "I want to be a storybook character" because he can't write his own story in. Just think of it as a weird way of saying "I need to find myself" like when people go off on their own to discover themselves and what they want in their lives.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Seasrmar wrote:
      I rewatched this episode. So Henry was disappointed that he wasn't in any versions of the stories and that there is only one of him. But what about Wish Realm Henry? The one who is chasing who he thought was the Wish Realm Evil Queen (actually Regina) for killing the Charmings. Are the stories of Wish Realm not count as a version and so there are at least two Henrys.
      Henry makes no sense because of the meta-level of Once has risen. He doesn't really mean "I want to be a storybook character" because he can't write his own story in. Just think of it as a weird way of saying "I need to find myself" like when people go off on their own to discover themselves and what they want in their lives.

      I didnt think about it like that, that are are actually different versions of him. I think he just means he isn't a classic fairy tale character, like Cinderella or Snow White, so he doesn't know how his story is supposed to play out. He want's to go and find out what story he's supposed to be in.

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