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  • (I don't think I've made a thread for this before but there's this one part of my brain that claims I have, so if this is a double post... sorry.)

    I've had this theory for awhile (and have even mentioned it) but I think I know who the Dragon's daughter is. It's a little far-fetched -- and has nothing to do with Mulan or Lily -- but bear with me.

    According to the writers, they have planned since the beginning to have six seasons. Their intention was that Season 6 could theoretically resolve the series -- hence the happy endings for our core cast -- but set up Season 7 as a "new" story, continuing but still somewhat separate from the story in Seasons 1-6, switching to Henry, Cinderella, and Lucy's story rather than Emma, Regina, and Henry's.

    If that's true -- if Season 6 was intended to tie up as many loose ends as possible and create a satisfying ending -- why would they introduce the loose end of the Dragon's daughter?

    We all know that the writers are notorious for putting too much on their plate. Every season has one character who gets left out and leaves the series in the following season (Archie, Ruby, Neal, Will, Robin, and Zelena). Belle has been a series regular since Season 2 and never had any real involvement in the plot leading up to her departure after Season 6. And besides the series regulars, there are a million other plots that haven't been resolved properly: recovering Phillip's soul, Tamara's backstory, finding love for Mulan, Lily's dad, Lancelot and Guinevere taking over Camelot, Lancelot's mom, Zelena's first time travel spell... All of these plots have been introduced in Seasons 1-5 and didn't get a proper resolution in Season 6.

    But the Dragon was -- Season 5's finale confirmed that he wasn't dead and revealed that his magic abilities came from Belief. I'll Be Your Mirror confirmed that he was a literal dragon. Why did they need to introduce this new plot thread when there were so many other plot threads they could spend time on? And the confirmation that he was never intended to be Lily's dad just makes this decision more questionable.

    Well, there's a simple answer: it was set-up for Season 7.

    I guess you probably want to know what my theory is. The Dragon's daughter... is Cinderella.

    The Dragon says he lost his daughter because he made a mistake -- could this mistake be marrying Lady Tremaine? After their marriage, perhaps she forced him to leave somehow and separated him from his beloved daughter.

    Assuming she is the same age as Henry, Cinderella would be around 10 when we first encounter the Dragon in the Land Without Magic. This gives plenty of time for her to have memories of her father (if that's even necessary) while still being under Tremaine's abusive control for enough time to be scarred by it.

    Yes, I know their ethnicities don't match, but Cinderella's birth mother could still be Latina. Dania Ramirez isn't a Latina/Asian, but that's close enough to her real ethnicity to be believable -- especially when we have cases like Lily, who was born Hispanic and grew up to be Caucasian.

    What do you think? Could the Dragon's daughter be Cinderella?

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    • I'm going to say "It's a stretch." I don't even think they thought about the Dragon since.

      Plus, I think Cindy's father is generally likely to have the last name of Tremaine (well, going by the recent Disney movie).

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      I'm going to say "It's a stretch." I don't even think they thought about the Dragon since.

      Plus, I think Cindy's father is generally likely to have the last name of Tremaine (well, going by the recent Disney movie).

      They did establish that Regina freed him from the World Behind the Mirror.

      Also, I highly doubt his real name is "The Dragon". But even if it is, "The Dragon Tremaine" has a nice ring to it...

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      I'm going to say "It's a stretch." I don't even think they thought about the Dragon since.

      Plus, I think Cindy's father is generally likely to have the last name of Tremaine (well, going by the recent Disney movie).

      They did establish that Regina freed him from the World Behind the Mirror.

      Also, I highly doubt his real name is "The Dragon". But even if it is, "The Dragon Tremaine" has a nice ring to it...

      That's a terrible name! XD

      I doubt they'd do much with him. We did see an orange European style Dragon in the finale, so perhaps we'll get Lily's Father or something.

      With a new Alice, they might face a dragon-like beast (not talking about Jabber).

      With a new EF, they might even forget about the others completely. However, I'm really, really sure that Jacinda isn't the Dragon's Daughter.

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    • I don't think The Dragon will be Cinderella's daughter, and still think Mulan being his daughter makes the most sense, however, I wouldn't mind if The Dragon is the father of a new (Asian) character introduced in Season 7. At this point, I'm just happy with any open plot threads they resolve, so if connecting him to a new character this season is the easiest way, I'm good with that.

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    • One of the earliest versions of Cinderella was chinese and The Dragon is also influenced by Chinese culture (I don't think actor himself is Chinese) - so I could see a connection. Like everyone said, the most choice is Mulan right now, but I could see the Cinderella link.

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    • Lola987 wrote:
      One of the earliest versions of Cinderella was chinese and The Dragon is also influenced by Chinese culture (I don't think actor himself is Chinese) - so I could see a connection. Like everyone said, the most choice is Mulan right now, but I could see the Cinderella link.

      The actor is American, but of Hong Kong ansestery, which is esentially Chinese. I should clarify though, my problem with The Dragon being Cinderella's father is not that he is Asian, but that he is Asian, and that Cinderella is Latina. If Cinderella was played by an Asian actress, I would totally agree with this theory.

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    • did you ever think that maybe maleficent was his daughter I mean he is really old and powerful? maybe he lost her to the darkness because of a mistake he made with her which made her evil? just a theory lol.

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    • Did the Dragon ever state he was from the EF? He seems a good candidate for a character from another realm/book.

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    • Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      Did the Dragon ever state he was from the EF? He seems a good candidate for a character from another realm/book.

      I was thinking that, too. All we know is that his home isn't the Land Without Magic.

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    • Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      Did the Dragon ever state he was from the EF? He seems a good candidate for a character from another realm/book.

      He did not. He is quite mysterious, and that line about the daughter just added to it.

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    • I agree, CoolDudeAI. He definitely knows more than he tells.

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    • Yep CoolDudeAl i personaly i  agree that The Dragon  wont be  Cinderellas father at all,like how some fans speculated that Merlin,The Dragon or Apreantice will be shown as fathers of Liliy and it turn out that they arent,and like i said it 3 months ago in "The Finale Battle Part " there was a European 4 legged dragon guarding Giants Lair so i am sure that was Liliys Father in a cameo hidden role.As fore the Dragon and his lost daughter i think that Mulan,Ancesetors,rest of charchters  and The Empeir from Mulan Disney movie chould apear and  will all connect in this Season 7.My only ouestion is:Why are there 2 diffrent Cinderellas? Is the one that we saw in Season 7 Sneak Peek  Cinderellas stepsister or another like Henry said diffrent version of Cinderella.

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    • Esk, this thread is on the Spoilers Board. I'm pretty sure spoilers are allowed.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Esk, this thread is on the Spoilers Board. I'm pretty sure spoilers are allowed.

      I thought it was the Gen. Discussion Board as nothing else was a spoiler. Forgot that yesterdays' spoilers are tomorrow's old news! XD Although, I could deleted it on the counts of illegibility and going off-topic.

      Which....I think I will.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Esk, this thread is on the Spoilers Board. I'm pretty sure spoilers are allowed.
      I thought it was the Gen. Discussion Board as nothing else was a spoiler. Forgot that yesterdays' spoilers are tomorrow's old news! XD Although, I could deleted it on the counts of illegibility and going off-topic.

      Which....I think I will.


      Well guys we just have to wait until we dont see what new charcters,creatures or worlds are giong to be introduced in OUAT Season 7.

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    • Kunica wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Esk, this thread is on the Spoilers Board. I'm pretty sure spoilers are allowed.
      I thought it was the Gen. Discussion Board as nothing else was a spoiler. Forgot that yesterdays' spoilers are tomorrow's old news! XD Although, I could deleted it on the counts of illegibility and going off-topic.

      Which....I think I will.


      Well guys we just have to wait until we dont see what new charcters,creatures or worlds are giong to be introduced in OUAT Season 7.

      Just remember that this thread is about The Dragon's daughter and not Cinderella.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Esk, this thread is on the Spoilers Board. I'm pretty sure spoilers are allowed.
      I thought it was the Gen. Discussion Board as nothing else was a spoiler. Forgot that yesterdays' spoilers are tomorrow's old news! XD Although, I could deleted it on the counts of illegibility and going off-topic.

      Which....I think I will.


      Well guys we just have to wait until we dont see what new charcters,creatures or worlds are giong to be introduced in OUAT Season 7.
      Just remember that this thread is about The Dragon's daughter and not Cinderella.

      Well yes i know but somebody else started this theory that The Dragons daughter is Cinderella.

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    • I'd just like to point out that since we now know Cinderella's dead dad is actually her stepfather, this theory could still come true, lol.

      And we also now know for sure that Cindy's mom will be Latina, which leaves room for her father to be of any ethnicity.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I'd just like to point out that since we now know Cinderella's dead dad is actually her stepfather, this theory could still come true, lol.

      And we also now know for sure that Cindy's mom will be Latina, which leaves room for her father to be of any ethnicity.

      Yes but come on man,imean its preety obvious to as all or some of us on this wiki that The Dragon is Mushu and that his missing daughter will be an Asian daughter not Latino ,since we have Mulan i am sure that we might see her backstory with the Dragon.

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    • I think the writers have forgotten about this storyline lol

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    • Lola987 wrote:
      I think the writers have forgotten about this storyline lol

      Yep your right Lola,the did same thing with Mal.

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    • Let’s ressurect this thread: Has anyone thought that perhaps Gothel is the Dragon’s daughter? The mistake he made could have led to the death of her many sisters, which might have caused her to go evil and try to find replacements for her seven deceased sisters, like Ingrid.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      Let’s ressurect this thread:

      Has anyone thought that perhaps Gothel is the Dragon’s daughter? The mistake he made could have led to the death of her many sisters, which might have caused her to go evil and try to find replacements for her seven deceased sisters, like Ingrid.

      Ooh, I like that! The timeline might work better too since Gothel's age is unknown, but she doesn't appear to have changed in appearance even though Rapunzel changed from Meegan to Gabrielle, so Gothel could very well be using magic to keep herself young. (Would fit with Tangled, after all.)

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      Let’s ressurect this thread:

      Has anyone thought that perhaps Gothel is the Dragon’s daughter? The mistake he made could have led to the death of her many sisters, which might have caused her to go evil and try to find replacements for her seven deceased sisters, like Ingrid.

      Ooh, I like that! The timeline might work better too since Gothel's age is unknown, but she doesn't appear to have changed in appearance even though Rapunzel changed from Meegan to Gabrielle, so Gothel could very well be using magic to keep herself young. (Would fit with Tangled, after all.)

      And it could explain the hallucinatory substance Alice gave Henry, since it might have been her dragon venom.

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    • Gothel is a cool idea, but I think they would hire someone who is at least half-asian to play her. I think if they continue this storyline, it will be in comic form (why open up a storyine if you aren't gonna answer it 😒).

      Also, is there a reason this is on the spoilers board, since this is all speculation.

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    • Lola987 wrote:
      Gothel is a cool idea, but I think they would hire someone who is at least half-asian to play her. I think if they continue this storyline, it will be in comic form (why open up a storyine if you aren't gonna answer it 😒).

      Also, is there a reason this is on the spoilers board, since this is all speculation.

      Well, I started the thread pre-Season 7, so the casting of Cinderella was spoilers. It could be moved now, I suppose.

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    • But since she has so much makeup, she appears ethnically ambiguous.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      But since she has so much makeup, she appears ethnically ambiguous.

      I think the show would be very criticised for that. Why add features to make an actress more 'asian-looking' when you can hire one + I personally don't see her as looking ethinically ambiguous.

      If they wanted to connect it to the new storyline, maybe she is part of the coven.

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    • She could also have many different human forms.

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    • The Dragons daughter is probably Mulan ,while Jacindas father is random eithere African or Latino heritage since her mother Cecelia apears to be a Caucasia women

      .And A&E totally forgaten about both The Dragons daughter (Mulan) and evean about Liliy-Maleficant and Liliys bilogical father.

      So nope,the writters as stated are focusing on new storyline this Season Seven that dosent revole around old "Untold Stories".

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    • Kunica wrote:
      The Dragons daughter is probably Mulan ,while Jacindas father is random eithere African or Latino heritage since her mother Cecelia apears to be a Caucasia women

      Cecelia was definitly latina. Meaning Ella's biological father could be anything.

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    • Eskaver
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      Continuous irrelevant posts
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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      The Dragons daughter is probably Mulan ,while Jacindas father is random eithere African or Latino heritage since her mother Cecelia apears to be a Caucasia women
      Cecelia was definitly latina. Meaning Ella's biological father could be anything.

      Yes her biological father chould be eithere African or Latino.But i am beting on African part.

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    • Why was my comment deleted? It had nothing to do with race I swear.

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    • Anyways, what if Cinderella’s father is Dr. Facilier and he left Cecelia to be a soothsayer?

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote: Why was my comment deleted? It had nothing to do with race I swear.

      By virtue that this thread is about the Dragon and his daughter, not about other potential parents.

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    • MOD: If it’s not about the Dragon or his daughter, then further comments will be removed.

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    • Oh sorry I thought you thought my comment was racist or something.

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      It’s my comment I don’t want to annoy people by commenting twice in a row
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    • Kunica wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      The Dragons daughter is probably Mulan ,while Jacindas father is random eithere African or Latino heritage since her mother Cecelia apears to be a Caucasia women
      Cecelia was definitly latina. Meaning Ella's biological father could be anything.
      Yes her biological father chould be eithere African or Latino.But i am beting on African part.

      He could be Asian, White, or Arab as well. If she took her looks after her mother, which it appears she did. But this is off topic.

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    • I just created a thread on the topic.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Kunica wrote:
      The Dragons daughter is probably Mulan ,while Jacindas father is random eithere African or Latino heritage since her mother Cecelia apears to be a Caucasia women
      Cecelia was definitly latina. Meaning Ella's biological father could be anything.
      Yes her biological father chould be eithere African or Latino.But i am beting on African part.
      He could be Asian, White, or Arab as well. If she took her looks after her mother, which it appears she did. But this is off topic.

      Ok so lets get back  to the topic of this thread,i know and belive that The Dragons lost daughter is Mulan.

      The Asian and European dragons have maybe diffrent cultures and tradtions,so maybe Mulan did something bad in past and her powers were blocked.Since we have disscused this in many other threads.

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    • I think the Dragons daughter could be Leota as we don’t know who they cast as her.

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    • Anonymous 1029384756 wrote:
      Let’s ressurect this thread:

      Has anyone thought that perhaps Gothel is the Dragon’s daughter? The mistake he made could have led to the death of her many sisters, which might have caused her to go evil and try to find replacements for her seven deceased sisters, like Ingrid.

      I'm not quite sure how a dragon would father a tree nymph.

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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