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    Episode Airing!
    23:57, October 13, 2017

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BWYVHQXBkAT/

    Here we go. Killian-centric of course. Which new characters do you think we'll meet this time?

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    • KILLIAN!! 

      Personally, still hoping for Captain Barbosa or maybe a female pirate maybe they can reach into Madame Cheng although I doubt it

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    • Yay! I love Hook! :D

      So, I guess they're probably gonna be introducing the cursed original cast episode by episode then.

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    • I hope they would introduce Sinbad the Sailor, now often known as Captain Sinbad.

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    • AAHHHHH!!

      and it's by Jane and Jerome!

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    • Not a great way to start the season. At least his storyline will finally be independent from CS (hopefully).

      But I like that they used a lyric from his song for the title. I hope they do the same with Regina.

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    • With this title, it could mean some Pirates of the Carribean elements.

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    • Wicked Wizard of the West wrote:
      I hope they would introduce Sinbad the Sailor, now often known as Captain Sinbad.

      Sinbad should be Edmond Dantès

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    • Guessing a Hook centric, but it could incorporate other pirate stories as well.

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    • Aww, can't wait! :D I literally waited for a Hook/Killian-centric episode with this name ^^ I'm excited. Got no ideas about the new characters but yeah, Sinbad or Barbossa sounds good!

      About the plot of the episode I was thinkin' that maybe they show Killian's first years/months as a pirate. I also had in mind they show his pirate's life with Milah but eh, I would doubt that.

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    • Could be his life after leaving Emma and Storybrooke and traveling with Henry on a quest

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    • I feel like there's an 80% chance this is the episode Jen will appear in and the flashbacks will be to 2010s SB, not his actual pirate days.

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    • We should have Captain Jack Sparrow in this season as well, and ask Johnny Depp to be back as well.

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    • Just a reminder that A Pirate's Life is directly from Peter Pan, not necessarily Pirates of the Caribbean.

      That said... perhaps this is pointing towards the Season 1 feel of episodic character plots? We'll see everyone in Hyperion Heights but we won't necessarily know anything about them (with the flashback probably focusing on Lucy's birth like how Pilot focused on Emma's). Then each episode after that will be going into more detail on the characters' backstories; episode 2, obviously, is Hook. Episode 3 could be Regina. I think they'll put Rumple off until later, though, after we've gotten backstories for Jacinda (hopefully separate from Henry) and some of the four other new characters we know of.

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    • Well, now the season's ruined. They had to bring that dirty pirat---kidding!

      I guess we'll get a centric for H2R, but I hope (which I know it's not gonna happen) that they do not flashback to his pirating life. Although Hook has had less centrics than R and R, I feel that his centric sort of hit a single note and not much else (and more secrets and lies). I'm being totally fair because the only one who really could have a revealing centric could be Rumple, but those are pretty one-note too.

      Now, if it's to SB of a decade plus ago, then great. But if it's Hook choosing revenge over someone, Regina chasing Snow, or Rumple showing how evil he is, then....ugh. Just thinking ahead, if the show and actors stuck around another 5 seasons, I can totally believe we'd still get flashbacks of Regina chasing after Snow, Hook betraying someone, etc.

      I sort of think a SB centric would be best episode so old fans can tune-in after the premiere, so people can catch up with their favs rather than going into "the same old, same old".

      Then again, they could keep the FTL past portion really brief. (And I'm the guy who still loves seeing FTL #7745 Regina looks for Snow White, Hook lies, etc)

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    • I didn't expect a killian centric this early on the season

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    • Yeah I hope the flashbacks are more creative, I would like to see Peter Pan, that would make the fb more interesting. Flashbacks of the gap between the season 6 finale and season 7 would be appreciated, but without Emma I don't know how they could do it, unless she "disappears" very early after the end of the first book.

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    • Hping for a flashback to Hook's time in Neverland, when he made the deal with Pan and maybe we get to see a new character as a lost boy. If not, I wouldn't mind a what happened to Storybooke episode if it isn't shown in 7x01 :) 

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    • The more I think about this, I sort of wonder if this title is intentionally misleading, and one of the new women is a pirate character. Going even furthur, is it possible that the female pirate is in fact Hook's mother? We know Once likes to add family members, and that there are many ways to stay young (or just not age at all) in FTL. Personally, I would guess that Hook's mother ran off after giving birth to him for reasons, became a pirate, and discovered the Fountain of Youth, which is why she has not aged for over 200+ years.

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    • Or, what if a pirate's life is just about Hook's new life/identity??

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      Or, what if a pirate's life is just about Hook's new life/identity??

      The present-day scenes most likely are going to show what Hook's cursed life is like, although I have no idea what the flashbacks might be about.

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    • I'm dreading it will be a "Look how terribly awful he was and how he still needs to atone for it!" type of centric

      I would love either Milah/Killian flashbacks or his early pirating days (ie. Post Liam but pre Milah, fresh out of the Royal Navy). 

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      Hping for a flashback to Hook's time in Neverland, when he made the deal with Pan and maybe we get to see a new character as a lost boy. 

      I'd say Neverland is a safe bet for this season, given Tiger Lily's connection to Lucy and Hook plus the fact that 2/3 of the remaining stars are characters from Peter Pan.

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    • I'd love to see some Neverland again!

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    • I hope Robbie Kay returns in the flashbacks, considering this episode could be a reference to Peter Pan. Their is still a lot they can do with his character and more they can explore with Hook's time in Neverland.

      I don't think this will have flashbacks chronicling life in Storybrooke with Emma after the finale because Emma is already set to premiere in the first episode of the season apparently.

      Hook-centrics haven't been good lately (The Brother Jones, Dark Waters, etc) tho.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:

      Hook-centrics haven't been good lately (The Brother Jones, Dark Waters, etc) tho.

      Yep, but they do have Espenson and Schwartz on the job. If it's not plot-wise good, there will be good character detail (likely), which is what Hook would need in a flashback, especially as it comes off flat.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      TheRose123 wrote:

      Hook-centrics haven't been good lately (The Brother Jones, Dark Waters, etc) tho.

      Yep, but they do have Espenson and Schwartz on the job. If it's not plot-wise good, there will be good character detail (likely), which is what Hook would need in a flashback, especially as it comes off flat.

      Yeah, I enjoy Jane Espenson's writing as her episodes tend to be more character-driven than being motivated by the plot, which helps for a show like Once Upon A Time where it's central focus is the characters.

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    • TheRose123 wrote:
      I hope Robbie Kay returns in the flashbacks, considering this episode could be a reference to Peter Pan. Their is still a lot they can do with his character and more they can explore with Hook's time in Neverland.

      I hadn't actually thought of Pan but that could be an interesting angle, such as Hook coming and agreeing to work for him or the deal he made to get off Neverland

      I don't think this will have flashbacks chronicling life in Storybrooke with Emma after the finale because Emma is already set to premiere in the first episode of the season apparently.

      Hook-centrics haven't been good lately (The Brother Jones, Dark Waters, etc) tho.

      To be fair, have any episodes been good lately? Though I disagree about Dark Waters, it was one of the few well written episodes of s6


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    • My personal theory with this episode is that it will be detailing what Hook is up to after Emma's to-be-revealed mysterious disappearance. I'd assume JMo's episode, the premiere, is going to detail what happened to Emma, but Colin is staying on the show which means we're gonna have Hook sans-Emma to deal with. This episode will probably show how he's dealing with Emma being gone.

      My reasoning is this:

      Remember back in S3 when all the EF people went back to the EF when Regina stopped Pan's curse, except Henry and Emma because Emma had to take care of Henry? Well, this was right around the time when Hook was falling for Emma. When he was returned to the EF without her, he tried really hard to go back to being a pirate and forget about her- but he couldn't. He ended up trading the Jolly Roger for a bean to get the memory potion to Emma, proving that he was no longer who he used to be. Now, if I recall correctly, there's a scene where Hook is talking with Emma, Mary Margaret, and David about what went down in the missing year, and he's explaining how he didn't get caught up in the curse because he left the group. I believe the quote was, "I had a life to get back to. A pirate's life." (Helpful bolding included for emphasis)

      Now that doesn't sound familiar at all, does it?

      So imo this ep should be him dealing with Emma being gone. Probably trying to put her behind him and failing miserably or something.

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      Or, what if a pirate's life is just about Hook's new life/identity??

      If Hook is not a priest, this time around, I am done with this show!!!! XD

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Gusey1397 wrote:
      Or, what if a pirate's life is just about Hook's new life/identity??
      If Hook is not a priest, this time around, I am done with this show!!!! XD

      Didn't Colin play a priest in The Rite? 

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    • Aine1989 wrote:

      Didn't Colin play a priest in The Rite? 

      Yes, he did.

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    • That title reminds me of Captain Jack Sparrow's line in the new Pirates movie. That was when he trade his compass-thing for a bottle of rum, then he says "a pirate's life." or something.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Aine1989 wrote:

      Didn't Colin play a priest in The Rite? 

      Yes, he did.

      it just dawned on me that one of the meanings of the name "Killian" is 'little church'. So yeah, priest!Killian. Don't waste this opportunity, writers

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    • Paul Becker is looking for 8 to 13-year old female ballerinas for this episode. 

      https://www.facebook.com/PBmasterclass/photos/a.1939469466287202.1073741828.1934112543489561/1988543434713138/?type=3&theater

      Hmm.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Paul Becker is looking for 8 to 13-year old female ballerinas for this episode. 

      https://www.facebook.com/PBmasterclass/photos/a.1939469466287202.1073741828.1934112543489561/1988543434713138/?type=3&theater

      Hmm.

      So, not for Hook. XD

      I guess they might do something with Lucy. Perhaps her mother tries to get her into ballet or they see a show, or something.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Paul Becker is looking for 8 to 13-year old female ballerinas for this episode. 

      https://www.facebook.com/PBmasterclass/photos/a.1939469466287202.1073741828.1934112543489561/1988543434713138/?type=3&theater

      Hmm.

      Bet the ballet will be Swan Lake, as a reference to Emma.

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    • Update:

      Apparently, Hook is now a police officer.... surprise, surprise.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Paul Becker is looking for 8 to 13-year old female ballerinas for this episode. 

      https://www.facebook.com/PBmasterclass/photos/a.1939469466287202.1073741828.1934112543489561/1988543434713138/?type=3&theater

      Hmm.

      Interesting. Wonder if this is for FTL or LWM.

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    • It will be interesting to see episodes about Hook without Emma, and especially Rumple without Belle, we haven't had those in a while.

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    • When are they gonna start filming for this episode anyway? Or have they already started?

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    • Calibaz wrote:
      When are they gonna start filming for this episode anyway? Or have they already started?

      Next Tuesday

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    • More or less confirmed to be a Hook centric episode, as "the episode will feature a LOT of Hook".

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    • http://ew.com/tv/2017/07/15/once-upon-time-season-7-spoilers-d23/

      We meet Colin in new circumstances in the premiere, but in the second episode, we really delve into what happened to him and there’s a flashback story centered around Hook which explains a lot.”

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    • So this is 100% confirmed to be a Hook-centric

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:

      We meet Colin in new circumstances in the premiere, but in the second episode, we really delve into what happened to him and there’s a flashback story centered around Hook which explains a lot.”

      This is probably the episode, where we learn what happened to Emma.

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    • I think Emma will get her own centric at some point. That's the episode that will explain everything. Until then, it will remain as a mystery.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I think Emma will get her own centric at some point. That's the episode that will explain everything. Until then, it will remain as a mystery.

      I seriously doubt that.

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    • Darn. I mean I'm happy she's back and it's for Hook's centric (yay!), but I was hoping she'd return for the finale.

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    • Calibaz wrote:
      Darn. I mean I'm happy she's back and it's for Hook's centric (yay!), but I was hoping she'd return for the finale.


      Who said she could not? She agreed to come back for one ep for now. Never said she could not more at a latter point of the season ^^ Personally, I think she'll be back :p

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Calibaz wrote:
      Darn. I mean I'm happy she's back and it's for Hook's centric (yay!), but I was hoping she'd return for the finale.

      Who said she could not? She agreed to come back for one ep for now. Never said she could not more at a latter point of the season ^^ Personally, I think she'll be back :p

      I hope so. I don't believe Jen appearing in one episode where it ends with Hook getting cursed and who knows what happens to Emma a "proper conclusion" to her story. :/

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    • Yeah, I am happy she is back for this episode but I am expecting her to return in at least 1 more epidose at some point :)

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    • Calibaz wrote:

      I hope so. I don't believe Jen appearing in one episode where it ends with Hook getting cursed and who knows what happens to Emma a "proper conclusion" to her story. :/

      Well hey, if she really couldn't give the writers some assurance that she'll be back to conclude wherever they leave Emma in 7x02, they /could/ always just shoot a small reunion scene now and save it for later. May not be the most satisfying but it would be a "conclusion" nonetheless and the writers' hands are kinda tied regarding Jen.

      At the end of the day, sadly, they are not telling "Emma's story" anymore. I anticipate any significant appearances/mentions of her will revolve around Hook and/or Henry. I would be shocked to get any more episodes from Emma's point of view. And I can imagine Hook arriving back in his time with an assumed restored happy ending without having to show her on-screen. Since she's appearing so early on in the season, I'd love to think that she'd be back towards the end as well, but we'll have to wait and see. :(

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      Well hey, if she really couldn't give the writers some assurance that she'll be back to conclude wherever they leave Emma in 7x02, they /could/ always just shoot a small reunion scene now and save it for later. 

      I'd be fine with that. I just really want Emma and Hook to reunite and have their happy endings restored by the end of the season. Tbh, almost everything else this season comes secondary to me. XD

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    • Of course she's back in Hook's episode -_____- 

      Well, at least I have a reason to watch this ep XD

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    • I would have rather had her for the premiere, would have been more fitting, to tie her into Henry rather than Hook. At this point, as much as I want it, she better not die, fans on twitter are already screaming because she may be dead, and promising to stop watching the show. So the best thing right now is to hope she returns for more episodes, although that tweet makes it explicit that it's her "final episode". Tbh, she could also be filming scenes for the premiere out of order, hey it's possible. But if it's really her final final episode, I hope she dies, I know I'm contradicting myself but I don't care if the audience leaves the show, it's the final season, I just want it to be good. That is all.

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    • What bothers me is the fans across the web don't seem to recognize that there are more than two ways that a character can be written off/be off screen. All I've seen is:

      "Emma is pregnant with a baby!", and

      "Oh no, Emma is dead."

      But it never seems to occur to them that there are 500 other options and that just because the actress only signed for one episode, doesn't mean anything about the character. Like we might not see Lee Arenberg again. Does that mean Grumpy's pregnant? Does it mean that Grumpy's dead? No, neither. He could just be living out his life, or cursed, or drinking at a tavern.

      Plus, we could totally just see the back of an extra to play Emma in some scenes. Not like it's impossible.

      Just a bit ranty because the fandom seems to polarize themselves between two options all the time when there are a whole spectrum of possibilities.

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    • We knew that she would be, but still nice to get confirmation.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      What bothers me is the fans across the web don't seem to recognize that there are more than two ways that a character can be written off/be off screen. All I've seen is:

      "Emma is pregnant with a baby!", and

      "Oh no, Emma is dead."

      But it never seems to occur to them that there are 500 other options and that just because the actress only signed for one episode, doesn't mean anything about the character. Like we might not see Lee Arenberg again. Does that mean Grumpy's pregnant? Does it mean that Grumpy's dead? No, neither. He could just be living out his life, or cursed, or drinking at a tavern.

      Plus, we could totally just see the back of an extra to play Emma in some scenes. Not like it's impossible.

      Just a bit ranty because the fandom seems to polarize themselves between two options all the time when there are a whole spectrum of possibilities.

      Oh my god, yes. This. They can have a bunch of ways to explain Emma not being seen. People shouldn't freak out until they confirm she is dying or something that would "ruin the show" for people.

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      Of course she's back in Hook's episode -_____- 

      Why the tone of surprise? Hook is Emma's husband.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      I would have rather had her for the premiere, would have been more fitting, to tie her into Henry rather than Hook. At this point, as much as I want it, she better not die, fans on twitter are already screaming because she may be dead, and promising to stop watching the show. So the best thing right now is to hope she returns for more episodes, although that tweet makes it explicit that it's her "final episode". Tbh, she could also be filming scenes for the premiere out of order, hey it's possible. But if it's really her final final episode, I hope she dies, I know I'm contradicting myself but I don't care if the audience leaves the show, it's the final season, I just want it to be good. That is all.

      The fans who always threaten to stop watching, are just kidding themselves. They are the ones who will be inconsolable, when the show actually ends.

      Though, I totally agree that Emma should be killed off, in this episode. Besides it being the simplest way to explain her absence, it would be a nice callback to the original plan for her father. Remember, Prince Charming was going to die in the pilot episode. ABC just thought it would be too risky, to feature Snow White without her true love. Regina's soulmate was killed off, to portray just how much she has grown. With Jennifer Morrison wanting to move onto new projects, the same thing should happen to Hook. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      AlbOuat wrote:
      Of course she's back in Hook's episode -_____- 
      Why the tone of surprise? Hook is Emma's husband.

      Because I preferred that she would come back in Henry's episode. 

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    • AlbOuat wrote:

      Because I preferred that she would come back in Henry's episode. 

      The entire season is about Henry!

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      AlbOuat wrote:

      Because I preferred that she would come back in Henry's episode. 

      The entire season is about Henry!

      There's no need to yell. And I think he meant 701. Personally, I'd want that too. I'm tired of her  being treated as Hook's lover. I hope she'll interact with other people other than Hook though.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      AlbOuat wrote:

      Because I preferred that she would come back in Henry's episode. 

      The entire season is about Henry!
      There's no need to yell. And I think he meant 701. Personally, I'd want that too. I'm tired of her  being treated as Hook's lover. I hope she'll interact with other people other than Hook though.

      Exactly what I meant :)

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    • Good to see she is back! I still think there will be an Emma centric at some point

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    • I'm not surprised that Jen is back for this episode as its the episode we find out what happens to Hook so that was a given to me. However I do feel like Jen should be in Henrys flashback leaving as well, its not hard to shoot scenes for different episodes at once.

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    • My theory is that Emma DID die back in Storybrooke, and this is what caused Henry's loss of belief - that despite Fiona's defeat, the fate of the Saviour still caught up with her.

      I also think that his job in Seattle is as an actual author, and that the modern fairy tale book which Lucy has was written or complied by him, as a way of dismissing all that had happened before as a fiction or delusion.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      What bothers me is the fans across the web don't seem to recognize that there are more than two ways that a character can be written off/be off screen. All I've seen is:

      "Emma is pregnant with a baby!", and

      "Oh no, Emma is dead."

      But it never seems to occur to them that there are 500 other options and that just because the actress only signed for one episode, doesn't mean anything about the character. Like we might not see Lee Arenberg again. Does that mean Grumpy's pregnant? Does it mean that Grumpy's dead? No, neither. He could just be living out his life, or cursed, or drinking at a tavern.

      Plus, we could totally just see the back of an extra to play Emma in some scenes. Not like it's impossible.

      Just a bit ranty because the fandom seems to polarize themselves between two options all the time when there are a whole spectrum of possibilities.

      The thing is that Emma is not some random character, she was the protagonist, you can't write her off in a number of ways, like, she's not home so she can't say good bye to Henry when he leaves. She's the Savior, if a major crisis happens this season, with her husband and kid involved, why isn't she present? It'd be weird to have her still around and not saving the day. I'll be mad if this is her final appearance ever, and the explanation they give for her absence is "Oh, she's just in Storybrooke off-screen". Besides, her parents will appear somewhere during the season too, without her, they have to explain that as well. That, if this is really her last episode.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      The fans who always threaten to stop watching, are just kidding themselves. They are the ones who will be inconsolable, when the show actually ends.

      Though, I totally agree that Emma should be killed off, in this episode. Besides it being the simplest way to explain her absence, it would be a nice callback to the original plan for her father. Remember, Prince Charming was going to die in the pilot episode. ABC just thought it would be too risky, to feature Snow White without her true love. Regina's soulmate was killed off, to portray just how much she has grown. With Jennifer Morrison wanting to move onto new projects, the same thing should happen to Hook. 

      Oh my, I agree with every word!

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      The thing is that Emma is not some random character, she was the protagonist, you can't write her off in a number of ways, like, she's not home so she can't say good bye to Henry when he leaves. She's the Savior, if a major crisis happens this season, with her husband and kid involved, why isn't she present? It'd be weird to have her still around and not saving the day. I'll be mad if this is her final appearance ever, and the explanation they give for her absence is "Oh, she's just in Storybrooke off-screen". Besides, her parents will appear somewhere during the season too, without her, they have to explain that as well. That, if this is really her last episode.

      I agree. But if they can't get Jen to appear when they'd want her to, they have no choice, even if Emma was the protagonist for 6 seasons. And I can't see them setting Emma up as part of the ongoing plot if they haven't gotten Jen on another guest contract. 

      I do think that any former main's appearance will be to support a veteran main still on the show. I don't think Emma and the Charmings will be focused on in a storyline involving just themselves. So Snowing can appear without her and vice versa.  

      Like Emma would return for a Hook or Henry episode, Snow or Zelena would return for a Regina episode, Belle would return for a Rumple episode, etc.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      The thing is that Emma is not some random character, she was the protagonist, you can't write her off in a number of ways, like, she's not home so she can't say good bye to Henry when he leaves. She's the Savior, if a major crisis happens this season, with her husband and kid involved, why isn't she present? It'd be weird to have her still around and not saving the day. I'll be mad if this is her final appearance ever, and the explanation they give for her absence is "Oh, she's just in Storybrooke off-screen". Besides, her parents will appear somewhere during the season too, without her, they have to explain that as well. That, if this is really her last episode.

      Her story is over. Henry is the main character. Emma doesn't need to play a major role in more than a single episode or two. Let's break it down:

      1. Since this is Henry's story and season 6 ended Emma's, she can be written off easily.

      2. They can have a leaving montage for Henry and have extras be the ones hugging Jared/his extra. The scene with Lana (which isn't this episode) could be partially plot related.

      3. Her role as the Savior's over....her story's over. I do think that's what the writers said.

      4. There's obviously a plot dynamic we don't know yet. However, it's not necessary for Emma to be around while Henry and Lucy try to save the day. Emma's obviously affected by whatever got Rumple, Regina, and Hook.

      5. They can explain where Emma is. Use extras, etc.

      It's like saying, "Okay, Jennifer's not returning...so let's kill her for the shocker!" That's actually very cliche and unoriginal that I can't see anyone who thinks that the writers are really unorignal will take that. They'll do amnesia, curse, recast before they kill off Emma. 

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    • My main point was that there are more ways to handle JMo's exit than:

      - Kill Emma off

      - Impregnate Emma, leaving her offscreen

      - Kill off Emma after having her having a child (aka both)

      To be a tad blunt, it seems that some fans only see those options. This is literally a show with magic and fantasy and we have a thing called extras and creative writing. It can be done.

      Now all of these can happen, but I'll wait for filming spoilers, or the episode itself. 

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    • But, as I said, Emma is still too important to go off screen because her whole family (sans her parents) are still on the show, her son, her husband, and likely another daughter. So they can't leave her in Storybrooke, saying "she's fine, she's just not doing anything relevant" while her family is in danger. Plus, I'm convinced something happened to her, due to her bug being stoned along with a troll.

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    • The troll thing is just a sculpture in Seattle. And I agree that Emma's story is over, which is why they can do many things with her, like leave her offscreen. And while I don't think they will kill her off (doesn't fit well with a show about hope), I don't think it can be completely ruled out either. Whatever they do, I'm sure it will make some sort of sense, and give some sort of closure to her story, and motivate the characters who are left (Henry, Hook, Regina, Rumple).

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    • If they wanted to kill Emma, they would done it in the final battle. So, I think they will find another alternative. 

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    • The doormouse wrote:
      My theory is that Emma DID die back in Storybrooke, and this is what caused Henry's loss of belief - that despite Fiona's defeat, the fate of the Saviour still caught up with her.

      I definately agree that Henry's lack of belief, and need to write his own story, would be the main reason for killing Emma off. His character needs to be compelled to leave Storybrooke. 

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    • The Storybrooke Docks!!!! Not surprised, but still good to have confirmation. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      The Storybrooke Docks!!!! Not surprised, but still good to have confirmation. 


      Also mean that SB is back for 702, so the town appears in the first two eps of the season at least ^^

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      Also mean that SB is back for 702, so the town appears in the first two eps of the season at least ^^

      The thing with the young ballerinas, will probably take place in the flashback. 

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      - Impregnate Emma, leaving her offscreen

      If Emma had a child with Hook, it would likely happen before Henry leaves Storybrooke. Considering Lucy is around 10 years old, Henry's (possible) half-sibling would probably be in his/her late teens or early twenties. Regina has looked the same, since Snow White was a child. So, it is not too far-fetched to assume, the characters have use magic to preserve their youth. 

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    • Colin's carrying a sword. So our sheriff and deputy are dealing with a new threat?

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    • Calibaz wrote:
      Colin's carrying a sword. So our sheriff and deputy are possibly dealing with a new threat?

      Sword, but no vest.... hmmmm?

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    • This feels like a moment in time fairly close to where they left off in 6x22. As opposed to the flashback with Jared and Lana for 7x01, which was definitely years after.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      This feels like a moment in time fairly close to where they left off in 6x22. 

      You are probably correct about this scene, taking place not to long after 6.22. But given the episode's title, it is very possible the flashback takes place over several years. 

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    • The Jolly Roger is here. Filming is tomorrow.

      https://twitter.com/yvrshoots/status/887482269023092736

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    • This could be from the season premiere.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      This could be from the season premiere.


      No. She took the pic one hour ago, and they're filming 702 today ^^

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      No. She took the pic one hour ago, and they're filming 702 today ^^

      Posting a picture does not equal taking it right then.

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    • Sounds like Rose is filming tomorrow. https://www.instagram.com/p/BWs5V6tHeLx/

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    • Is it just me or Dania looks like a guy in that last pic? O.o

      Also, what's up with Emma's hair/wig. It looks awful

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    • So Emma and Hook were definitly in SB attire, and the Jolly Roger is at the SB docks, that all means scenes taking place after 622. But the forest scenes are definitly FTL. Hmmm...

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Is it just me or Dania looks like a guy in that last pic? O.o

      Also, what's up with Emma's hair/wig. It looks awful

      Jen cut her hair, so she has to wear a wig or extentions for it to be Emma's lenght.

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    • Jen and Colin filmed with Andrew apparently, with lots of smoke on set. 

      https://twitter.com/jholden23/status/887509299974479873

      Is this like a......future vision situation?

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    • Maybe this is a scene where Henry gets pulled into Enchanted Forest 2 or something when he came back to Storybrooke after leaving for a while. 

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      8Rob wrote:

      Also, what's up with Emma's hair/wig. It looks awful

      Jen cut her hair, so she has to wear a wig or extentions for it to be Emma's lenght.

      Considering this is the future, there is no reason for that wig. How difficult is it to explain, that Emma got a haircut?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Also, what's up with Emma's hair/wig. It looks awful
      Jen cut her hair, so she has to wear a wig or extentions for it to be Emma's lenght.
      Considering this is the future, there is no reason for that wig. How difficult is it to explain, that Emma got a haircut?

      I'm fairly certain it isn't a wig, but Jen's extensions paired with her short hair does make it look like Emma got a haircut. To me at least. 

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    • Andrew is dressed in the same EF costume from the 7x01 pictures in tonight's shoot with Jen & Colin. https://twitter.com/Hookfoundme/status/887544865948450816

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Andrew is dressed in the same EF costume from the 7x01 pictures in tonight's shoot with Jen & Colin. https://twitter.com/Hookfoundme/status/887544865948450816

      Huh, so Emma and Hook are in the EF visiting Henry then. I'm assuming the cottage is Henry's.

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    • Calibaz wrote:

      Huh, so Emma and Hook are in the EF visiting Henry then. I'm assuming the cottage is Henry's.

      I think that's a good assumption right now!

      Although....Emma and Hook don't look like they've aged at all...and Henry is now being played by another actor. I wonder at what age they would see fit to start using Andrew for flashback scenes instead of Jared. Like is he trying to pass as ~20 here and it's actually only been a few years since Henry left home? Or would we be better off assuming that Henry's actually ~30 like he is in the present-day scenes and this is either a dream/vision sequence or a result of some time traveling shenanigans? I mean, they've used Jen for "teen Emma" so idk what I should be more inclined to believe. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Calibaz wrote:

      Huh, so Emma and Hook are in the EF visiting Henry then. I'm assuming the cottage is Henry's.

      I think that's a good assumption right now!

      Although....Emma and Hook don't look like they've aged at all...and Henry is now being played by another actor. I wonder at what age they would see fit to start using Andrew for flashback scenes instead of Jared. Like is he trying to pass as ~20 here and it's actually only been a few years since Henry left home? Or would we be better off assuming that Henry's actually ~30 like he is in the present-day scenes and this is either a dream/vision sequence or a result of some time traveling shenanigans? I mean, they've used Jen for "teen Emma" so idk what I should be more inclined to believe. 

      I'm inclined to believe that these are the scenes right before Hook and Henry get taken by the Dark Curse, so Henry would be around 30.

      Let's not forget that Regina hasn't looked like she's aged since Snow White was 10 years old. Hook hasn't looked like he's aged much, except for hair-length, since he was a slave. Maybe, fairy tale characters just have really good genes that let them look good when they age. XD

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    • Calibaz wrote:

      Let's not forget that Regina hasn't looked like she's aged since Snow White was 10 years old. Hook hasn't looked like he's aged much, except for hair-length, since he was a slave. Maybe, fairy tale characters just have really good genes that let them look good when they age. XD

      Awwww.... the wonders of being able to practice magic.

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    • Interesting that Hook and Emma haven't changed at all from 622 whereas Henry has aged quite a bit :) Wonder what the scene is about :)

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    • I wish they kept Jen's new haircut, it looks really nice! The scene is mysterious. Btw, I just realized that if Emma goes to the new EF they can't explain her absence with her just staying behind in SB.

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    • Isn't it possible that only people who aren't born in LWM don't age there? While Henry does? That's a possible, even if a bit lazy, explenation. 

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    • What if this is really the last time we see Emma? How would you want her story to end?

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      What if this is really the last time we see Emma? How would you want her story to end?

      That's conducive of its own thread as these episode spoiler threads are mostly for filming spoilers and reactions to it, rather than tackling the big ideas and theories.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Also, what's up with Emma's hair/wig. It looks awful
      Jen cut her hair, so she has to wear a wig or extentions for it to be Emma's lenght.
      Considering this is the future, there is no reason for that wig. How difficult is it to explain, that Emma got a haircut?

      Well, they obviously don't want her to have a haircut, for whatever reason. I kind of get it. If we're only seeing Emma for one episode, it should be Emma that everyone is acustomed to.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Calibaz wrote:

      Huh, so Emma and Hook are in the EF visiting Henry then. I'm assuming the cottage is Henry's.

      I think that's a good assumption right now!

      Although....Emma and Hook don't look like they've aged at all...and Henry is now being played by another actor. I wonder at what age they would see fit to start using Andrew for flashback scenes instead of Jared. Like is he trying to pass as ~20 here and it's actually only been a few years since Henry left home? Or would we be better off assuming that Henry's actually ~30 like he is in the present-day scenes and this is either a dream/vision sequence or a result of some time traveling shenanigans? I mean, they've used Jen for "teen Emma" so idk what I should be more inclined to believe. 

      Let's not forget, once your an adult, they tend to just use the same actor, even if many years have passed. Cora, Henry Sr., and George are three great examples, they were played by the same actors in scenes that they were at least 20 years younger than scenes later on.

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      Isn't it possible that only people who aren't born in LWM don't age there? While Henry does? That's a possible, even if a bit lazy, explenation. 

      I would not consider that a lazy eplanation.

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      Isn't it possible that only people who aren't born in LWM don't age there? While Henry does? That's a possible, even if a bit lazy, explenation. 

      If they were going to do that, they would have a long time ago, with people like Ingrid, Ursula, and Cruella. Besides, Pinnoccio, Emma, and Lily were all born in the EF, and yet all aged in the LWM.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      AlbOuat wrote:
      Isn't it possible that only people who aren't born in LWM don't age there? While Henry does? That's a possible, even if a bit lazy, explenation. 
      If they were going to do that, they would have a long time ago, with people like Ingrid, Ursula, and Cruella. Besides, Pinnoccio, Emma, and Lily were all born in the EF, and yet all aged in the LWM.

      They could explain as they don't age anymore as they arrive to SB. But it's not a big deal since I think they're gonna find another way to explain it. 

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    • The season premiere will be about why Henry lost his belief and the 2nd episode will be about that Hook and Emma actually were parents. I know Jen is back for the first 2 episodes in this season. And also Killian has history with Captain Jack Sparrow and they proved who has the better ship for episode 5.

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    • Filming today is Jen, Colin, and Jared with the Jolly Roger. http://katmtan.tumblr.com/post/163179509472/captain-swan-jared-filming-today

      So that's confirming 2 different flashback timepoints for this episode. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Filming today is Jen, Colin, and Jared with the Jolly Roger. 

      Why do I get the feeling, Henry is breaking the news to Emma and Hook, that he plans on leaving Storybrooke?

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    • So far it seems that this episode is focused as much on Emma and Henry as it is Hook. I wonder what the title could be referring to.

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    • Ooh, so we still get one more Jmo Jared scene :) Plus Jared is returning in 2 episodes already. 'do you think he may become a recurring guest character this season??

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      Ooh, so we still get one more Jmo Jared scene :) Plus Jared is returning in 2 episodes already. 'do you think he may become a recurring guest character this season??


      With Andrew being a regular and playing an older Henry, it is possible yeah.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      So far it seems that this episode is focused as much on Emma and Henry as it is Hook. I wonder what the title could be referring to.

      I'm assuming the flashbacks are centered around Hook because of the title - his life post-6x22. They're going to have to show what happened to Emma, but I'm guessing they'll be setting up something for the Hook and Henry dynamic specifically since those two will be spending the season together without Emma in the picture. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      So far it seems that this episode is focused as much on Emma and Henry as it is Hook. I wonder what the title could be referring to.
      I'm assuming the flashbacks are centered around Hook because of the title - his life post-6x22. They're going to have to show what happened to Emma, but I'm guessing they'll be setting up something for the Hook and Henry dynamic specifically since those two will be spending the season together without Emma in the picture. 

      I hope that's the case. I know it's not a super popular opinion, but I really did enjoy Dark Waters focusing on that dynamic. If we don't have all of the timeline holes and such, maybe this could be a fully enjoyable Hook-centric.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I wonder what the title could be referring to.

      The title, clearly, refers to Hook's life post-6.22 and pre-7.01. Though, the flashback runs risk of seeming choppy. 

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    • The present time story will be definitely Rogers' centric. I actually hope the scene with JMo and Jared is for 7x01, so they don't mess up the flashbacks too much, and Jen can appear in 2 episodes.

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    • Hook and Henry swordfighting on the ship. https://twitter.com/aamanda_lee/status/887781672585908224

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Hook and Henry swordfighting on the ship. https://twitter.com/aamanda_lee/status/887781672585908224

      Okay, so the flashbacks will be jumping around then. Guess, that's why they called the episode A Pirate's Life.

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    • This is Jen's last day of filming.

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BWvji-kF85Z/

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    • Already? :(

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    • Well, I personally feel that Jen has now emphasized "one" enough times for me to assume that she has somewhat closed the door on further appearances. Not saying that she can't change her mind come March 2018 or something since that's still a long while away but yeah.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Well, I personally feel that Jen has now emphasized "one" enough times for me to assume that she has somewhat closed the door on further appearances. 

      I completely agree.... Jen is clearly looking forward to her new projects.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Well, I personally feel that Jen has now emphasized "one" enough times for me to assume that she has somewhat closed the door on further appearances. Not saying that she can't change her mind come March 2018 or something since that's still a long while away but yeah.

      Yeah, I'd say she's probably out. I would think Adam and Eddy would have already asked her if they even planned on bringing her back at the end of the season, so I'm definitely not holding my breath for another Emma episode.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      Yeah, I'd say she's probably out. I would think Adam and Eddy would have already asked her if they even planned on bringing her back at the end of the season, so I'm definitely not holding my breath for another Emma episode.

      Pretty sure, Adam and Eddy discussed all possible outcomes with Jen, during the negotiation prossess. Everything she said, last May, implied she was ready to move on. I also got the impression, that she was a bit burned out. She did not even have to agree, to appear in this one last episode. So, whatever Emma's ultimate fate is, will obviously serve the story moving forward. 

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    • They must have really pissed Jen off if she is only willing to appear in one episode and one only

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    • Aine1989 wrote:
      They must have really pissed Jen off if she is only willing to appear in one episode and one only

      Or she just wants to move on in her life?

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    • Adam says Emma will be in WAY more than 2 scenes: https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/887787800132591616

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Aine1989 wrote:
      They must have really pissed Jen off if she is only willing to appear in one episode and one only
      Or she just wants to move on in her life?

      I don't think it's about her being pissed off. I think it's more along the lines of the fact she has played the same character for the last six or seven years. Some people get restless after a while, so it's not a surprise she wanted something new. I know they are some actors and/or actresses who love playing a character for as long as they can. (Lana, Robert, Colin. I mean, Tom Welling played Clark Kent on Smallville for ten years straight). It's just others want a change. Plus, I'm pretty sure she left House around the sixth season as well, so yknow.

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    • KyleBraxton wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      Aine1989 wrote:
      They must have really pissed Jen off if she is only willing to appear in one episode and one only
      Or she just wants to move on in her life?
      I don't think it's about her being pissed off. I think it's more along the lines of the fact she has played the same character for the last six or seven years. Some people get restless after a while, so it's not a surprise she wanted something new. I know they are some actors and/or actresses who love playing a character for as long as they can. (Lana, Robert, Colin. I mean, Tom Welling played Clark Kent on Smallville for ten years straight). It's just others want a change. Plus, I'm pretty sure she left House around the sixth season as well, so yknow.


      I agree with you, except for one point. She did not leave House, she was fired ^^

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      KyleBraxton wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      Aine1989 wrote:
      They must have really pissed Jen off if she is only willing to appear in one episode and one only
      Or she just wants to move on in her life?
      I don't think it's about her being pissed off. I think it's more along the lines of the fact she has played the same character for the last six or seven years. Some people get restless after a while, so it's not a surprise she wanted something new. I know they are some actors and/or actresses who love playing a character for as long as they can. (Lana, Robert, Colin. I mean, Tom Welling played Clark Kent on Smallville for ten years straight). It's just others want a change. Plus, I'm pretty sure she left House around the sixth season as well, so yknow.

      I agree with you, except for one point. She did not leave House, she was fired ^^

      Why??? Was her character dropped or did she do something bad?

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      KyleBraxton wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      Aine1989 wrote:
      They must have really pissed Jen off if she is only willing to appear in one episode and one only
      Or she just wants to move on in her life?
      I don't think it's about her being pissed off. I think it's more along the lines of the fact she has played the same character for the last six or seven years. Some people get restless after a while, so it's not a surprise she wanted something new. I know they are some actors and/or actresses who love playing a character for as long as they can. (Lana, Robert, Colin. I mean, Tom Welling played Clark Kent on Smallville for ten years straight). It's just others want a change. Plus, I'm pretty sure she left House around the sixth season as well, so yknow.

      I agree with you, except for one point. She did not leave House, she was fired ^^

      Welp, didn't know that. xD I only watched the first season of it. I just know she returned for like a episode (or two?) after she left. 

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Why??? Was her character dropped or did she do something bad?

      Jennifer Morrison was fired from House, because her engagement to Jesse Spencer ended incredibly badly. There were rumors that she cheated on him, because he theatened to leave the show. Due to his character being more popular, the producers chose to fire her. She also did not get along with Olivia Wilde, due to the later being her replacement. 

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Aine1989 wrote:
      They must have really pissed Jen off if she is only willing to appear in one episode and one only
      Or she just wants to move on in her life?

      I feel like in the negotiations the writers didn't want to give her a good storyline or compromise. She does seem eager to put it all behind her. Though she's getting along with Colin and Jared.

      I'm hoping that in the future she works with Colin again

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    • Aine1989 wrote:

      I feel like in the negotiations the writers didn't want to give her a good storyline or compromise. 

      The writers and producers do not have to compromise, because they are the bosses.... not the actors. 

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    • Aine1989 wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      Aine1989 wrote:
      They must have really pissed Jen off if she is only willing to appear in one episode and one only
      Or she just wants to move on in her life?
      I feel like in the negotiations the writers didn't want to give her a good storyline or compromise. She does seem eager to put it all behind her. Though she's getting along with Colin and Jared.

      I'm hoping that in the future she works with Colin again


      Pretty sure you feel it wrong :) She gave excellent reasons as why she chose to stop. She wants to direct more now.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Aine1989 wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      Aine1989 wrote:
      They must have really pissed Jen off if she is only willing to appear in one episode and one only
      Or she just wants to move on in her life?
      I feel like in the negotiations the writers didn't want to give her a good storyline or compromise. She does seem eager to put it all behind her. Though she's getting along with Colin and Jared.

      I'm hoping that in the future she works with Colin again


      Pretty sure you feel it wrong :) She gave excellent reasons as why she chose to stop. She wants to direct more now.

      Maybe she'll wind up directing an episode of Once. She already knows some of the actors pretty well. XD

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    • Aine1989 wrote:

      TheRose123 wrote:
      I hope Robbie Kay returns in the flashbacks, considering this episode could be a reference to Peter Pan. Their is still a lot they can do with his character and more they can explore with Hook's time in Neverland.

      I hadn't actually thought of Pan but that could be an interesting angle, such as Hook coming and agreeing to work for him or the deal he made to get off Neverland

      I don't think this will have flashbacks chronicling life in Storybrooke with Emma after the finale because Emma is already set to premiere in the first episode of the season apparently.

      Hook-centrics haven't been good lately (The Brother Jones, Dark Waters, etc) tho.

      To be fair, have any episodes been good lately? Though I disagree about Dark Waters, it was one of the few well written episodes of s6


      I thought every episode has been good lately, and the Hook-centrics are the best ones. I have never not enjoyed a good Hook-centric. I currently consider "The Song in Your Heart" to be my favorite episode, and it is a very recent episode.

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    • OUAT filming right now on COLUMBIA St in New West. Spotted "Hook" on set.

      https://twitter.com/celebsessed/status/889575845953589248

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    • Calibaz wrote:
      OUAT filming right now on COLUMBIA St in New West. Spotted "Hook" on set.


      Interesting that "Pauly Rogers" dresses similarly to Hook. If the name was not a give away, that Hook is just undercover, the style of cloths definitely is. 

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      Aine1989 wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      Aine1989 wrote:
      They must have really pissed Jen off if she is only willing to appear in one episode and one only
      Or she just wants to move on in her life?
      I feel like in the negotiations the writers didn't want to give her a good storyline or compromise. She does seem eager to put it all behind her. Though she's getting along with Colin and Jared.

      I'm hoping that in the future she works with Colin again


      Pretty sure you feel it wrong :) She gave excellent reasons as why she chose to stop. She wants to direct more now.
      Maybe she'll wind up directing an episode of Once. She already knows some of the actors pretty well. XD

      Honestly? I pray for that

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    • So, virtually the entire cast is on set, and the dancers.... hmmm.

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    • When posting links, it could be helpful to describe what they lead too, lol. 

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    • Lana and Andrew were filming yesterday. 

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      Lana and Andrew were filming yesterday. 

      And Colin, I believe.

      For a Hook centric, it seems fairly well-balanced.

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    • So the filming wasn't for 7x03? I thought it was a Regina flashback in SB. Also, did Emma film only with Hook and 2 versions of Henry? No scenes with Regina? Adam did say she was in various scenes. I also predict Emma does join Henry in the EF 2.0. With the others, since she filmed with Andrew, but then something happens...

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      So the filming wasn't for 7x03? I thought it was a Regina flashback in SB. Also, did Emma film only with Hook and 2 versions of Henry? No scenes with Regina? Adam did say she was in various scenes. I also predict Emma does join Henry in the EF 2.0. With the others, since she filmed with Andrew, but then something happens...

      Nope, Kat said the filming was for 7x02. They haven't started 7x03 yet.

      As for the other question, so far we just know about Jen filming with Andrew, Jared and Colin. But she could have also filmed in studio with other actors like Lana. 

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    • I think it's when they reach Henry in the EF. 

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      AlbOuat wrote:

      Because I preferred that she would come back in Henry's episode. 

      The entire season is about Henry!
      There's no need to yell. And I think he meant 701. Personally, I'd want that too. I'm tired of her  being treated as Hook's lover. I hope she'll interact with other people other than Hook though.

      Except she has never been treated as Hook's lover. It has always been the other way around; Hhook was treated as Emma's lover. So I'm a little confused as to how you're "tired" of something that never happened.

      And given that Hook and Henry are her two most important relationships it makes sense to have her relationship with Henry looked at in Hhook's episode since Jen is only doing one episode. Tw birds one stone.  Or in this case, two relationships, one episode.

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    • http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0731648/?ref_=tt_cl_t6

      IMDB lists this actor in this ep as "Remy". 

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0731648/?ref_=tt_cl_t6

      IMDB lists this actor in this ep as "Remy". 

      ...I'm stuck on Ratatouille, lol.

      Like I said on the Hyperion Heights thread, usually actors who get leaked to IMDb are fairly minor. Perhaps Remy will be a random mouse or a cook on the Jolly Roger that's just intended to be a vague nod to Ratatouille?

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    • I think the Hook and Henry pics are probably from this episode, we know Hook comes to help Henry in episode 2, and in one of the pictures both of them are looking at someone... Emma, I believe.

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    • It seems like Hook, Rumple and Regina didn't come to help Henry at the same time in episode 1. They would come eventually in their centric episodes.

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    • Wicked Wizard of the West wrote:
      It seems like Hook, Rumple and Regina didn't come to help Henry at the same time in episode 1. They would come eventually in their centric episodes.

      Assuming, Rumplestiltskin is even there to help. One can knew be sure where that imp's loyalties lie, other than he is always out for himself. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Wicked Wizard of the West wrote:
      It seems like Hook, Rumple and Regina didn't come to help Henry at the same time in episode 1. They would come eventually in their centric episodes.
      Assuming, Rumplestiltskin is even there to help. One can knew be sure where that imp's loyalties lie, other than he is always out for himself. 

      I really think that, since we're looking at Robert leaving after this year regardless of any renewal, they'll actually go through with his full redemption arc. I'd assume that the Witch will be the disloyal imp for the next few (prospective) years instead.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      I really think that, since we're looking at Robert leaving after this year regardless of any renewal, they'll actually go through with his full redemption arc. 

      I always got the impression, Robert Carlyle preferred to play the morally ambiguous/evil Rumplestilstkin. He never looked to be enjoying himself, while the character was trying to be good. Bobby is at his best, when Rumple is at his worst.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:

      I really think that, since we're looking at Robert leaving after this year regardless of any renewal, they'll actually go through with his full redemption arc. 

      I always got the impression, Robert Carlyle preferred to play the morally ambiguous/evil Rumplestilstkin. He never looked to be enjoying himself, while the character was trying to be good. Bobby is at his best, when Rumple is at his worst.

      I agree with Chocolat, the morally ambiguous Rumple is the most fun to watch (and it seems, to act).

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    • Honestly, I would argue that Rumple cannot have a redemption arc because it is not in his character. Which makes him a more interesting character. And you're right, evil villain Rumple is when Bobby plays him best (from my understanding of Robert Carlyle, playing scary is sort of his thing?)

      Plus I doubt they will try to redeem their worst villain in the very last season.

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    • I agree, they shouldn't try to force a redemption arc that goes nowhere, instead they should keep the character grey.

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    • I would not call him grey. I would call him a full blown villain. Sometimes he will work with the heroes if it gets him what he wants (eg. season 3 and from what I saw, 6B) but he is a villain. Attempted mass murder, slavery and torture are not 'grey' they are the actions of a villain.

      It will be interesting to see him in s7 without Belle or Gideon holding him back. Whenever he is neutral it is to please his loved ones, but what's stopping him now?  Nothing.

      Perhaps the age old feud between Rumple and Killian will ignie again.

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    • Aine1989 wrote:

      Plus I doubt they will try to redeem their worst villain in the very last season.

      Can everyone please stop refering to this as the last season, when there is no intention of it being the last season. It has a chance of being the last season, if the rating truly tank, and ABC finds something to replace it with next year, but as of right now, it has as much of a chance at getting renewed as it did last year.

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    • They already replaced it, it's no longer on Sunday.

      Anyway, I actually want Rumple and Hook's cursed personas to be friends, that would be something new.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Aine1989 wrote:

      Plus I doubt they will try to redeem their worst villain in the very last season.

      Can everyone please stop refering to this as the last season, when there is no intention of it being the last season. It has a chance of being the last season, if the rating truly tank, and ABC finds something to replace it with next year, but as of right now, it has as much of a chance at getting renewed as it did last year.

      Regardless of a renewal/cancellation, this will probably be Robert Carlyle's final season. So, @Aine1989's statement is partially correct. 

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      They already replaced it, it's no longer on Sunday.

      Anyway, I actually want Rumple and Hook's cursed personas to be friends, that would be something new.

      They moved shows around, and put a different old show (Shark Tank) in its place. They didn't replace it completely.

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    • Forgive the ignorant non-American over here but isn't ouat's new slot the "death slot"? That's what I've heard from my US friends

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: They moved shows around, and put a different old show (Shark Tank) in its place. They didn't replace it completely.

      Ummm.... Friday night is known as the graveyard slot. It is where old shows are banished, to die a slow and humiliating death. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote: They moved shows around, and put a different old show (Shark Tank) in its place. They didn't replace it completely.
      Ummm.... Friday night is known as the graveyard slot. It is where old shows are banished, to die a slow and humiliating death. 

      Honestly, I think they moved Agents of Shield and Once to this spot exactly for this reason, but not so the shows can die, but rather so they can live longer. Here's the reasoning: 1. If the slot is already known to never get good ratings, then it is easier to justify that the timeslot, and not the show itself, is the problem. Basically, nothing will do good in the timeslot, so it can just keep Once and Agents in there for a while, because at least they have cult followings, and promote larger Disney agendas (Disney's classic movies for Once, and Marvel stuff for Agents). 2. DVR ratings are now important, as many shows are not watched live anymore by most people. But the caviat is that they much be watched within 3 days to count towards the ratings. By putting Once and Agents on Friday, anyone who watches the show at any point over the weekend (which is when many people have the most freetime), will be added into the ratings. So, like I said, I think the Friday night thing was actually a way to allow these shows to go longer, not shorter.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      I really think that, since we're looking at Robert leaving after this year regardless of any renewal, they'll actually go through with his full redemption arc. I'd assume that the Witch will be the disloyal imp for the next few (prospective) years instead.

      The Witch, who may or may not be Henry's half-sister, could still become the new Dark One. It would fit the writers' style of keeping everything within the family. 

      Whether they would redeem Rumplestilskin, is a different question altogether. At the moment, he is unable to age or die. Whereas, Belle and Gideon are very much mortal. It was already established that a Dark One can be born, without killing the previous one. What type of life can any of them have, as long as Rumple remains the Dark One?

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    • Yeah, I think they brought the shows on Friday to bring in a nice amount of loyal followers, so the slot doesn't get too low for ABC.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Yeah, I think they brought the shows on Friday to bring in a nice amount of loyal followers, so the slot doesn't get too low for ABC.

      If the reboot is successful, then fans everywhere should kiss any chance, of Emma reappearing in the series finale, goodbye. All the more reason, to just kill her off in this episode.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      If the reboot is successful, then fans everywhere should kiss any chance, of Emma reappearing in the series finale, goodbye. All the more reason, to just kill her off in this episode.

      They treated 6x22 as their series finale for the original story. If the show goes past season 7, I don't see them prioritizing bringing anyone back for the actual series finale, because we'll be in complete spinoff territory. The series finale will revolve around the new group of people, not the group that was given a farewell 2+ seasons ago. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      If the show goes past season 7, I don't see them prioritizing bringing anyone back for the actual series finale, because we'll be in complete spinoff territory. The series finale will revolve around the new group of people, not the group that was given a farewell 2+ seasons ago. 

      I would classify the OUaT reboot, as more along the lines of a sequel.

      However, you are most probably correct about the writers not prioritizing, any of the original characters returning for the series finale. I only see Belle and Gideon returning for the S7 finale, mainly because Robert Carlyle is leaving. If OUaT is miraculously renewed for another season, it is incredibly doubtful there will be any more cameos from old characters. The only original actors would be Lana Parrilla and Colin O'Donoghue, if they both choose to stay. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:

      If the show goes past season 7, I don't see them prioritizing bringing anyone back for the actual series finale, because we'll be in complete spinoff territory. The series finale will revolve around the new group of people, not the group that was given a farewell 2+ seasons ago. 

      I would classify the OUaT reboot, as more along the lines of a sequel.

      However, you are most probably correct about the writers not prioritizing, any of the original characters returning for the series finale. I only see Belle and Gideon returning for the S7 finale, mainly because Robert Carlyle is leaving. If OUaT is miraculously renewed for another season, it is incredibly doubtful there will be any more cameos from old characters. The only original actors would be Lana Parrilla and Colin O'Donoghue, if they both choose to stay. 

      I seem to remember Colin saying this was his last year, too. I don't remember any such report for Lana, though.

      I suspect Regina, Hook, and Rumple are only around to usher in the new cast. Once we've had this season to get used to them, there's no reason to keep the three originals around. Regina has a very good chance of being recurring if she does leave the main cast, though, since she is Henry's only mother at this point. (regardless of what happens to Emma, Jennifer is almost certainly never coming back.)

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      I seem to remember Colin saying this was his last year, too.

      I recall Colin saying, that his original contract expires this year. No one knows, including himself, what will happen once negotiations start. ABC probably understands, that the reboot is more likely to fail, than be a success. 

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    • I think Rumple should end his story toward the end of this previous season, I think his son Gideon will stay on the show to be a Series Regular for Season 8. Season 8 should focus on Gideon getting married and having kids

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    • I feel like Rumple's story has to end with some sort of karmaic fate in which one of his 'long cons' backfires on him

      Should we start a new thread for this?

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    • Aine1989 wrote:
      I feel like Rumple's story has to end with some sort of karmaic fate in which one of his 'long cons' backfires on him

      Should we start a new thread for this?

      Yes. I was about to suggest this. 

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    • Aine1989 wrote:

      Should we start a new thread for this?

      Nothing is stopping you.

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    • Checked IMDB, nothing new to report from there (besides a few uncredited bit parts). Last interesting thing is Remy, that someone already mentioned above.

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    • A & E released a new interview, and they said don't worry to CS fans, which makes me think they're not gonna kill Emma, but they will give her some cheap explanation which doesn't explain anything and is just temporary. Does this mean Jen will make more appearances? I hope so, but it doesn't look like she wants to.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      A & E released a new interview, and they said don't worry to CS fans, which makes me think they're not gonna kill Emma, but they will give her some cheap explanation which doesn't explain anything and is just temporary. Does this mean Jen will make more appearances? I hope so, but it doesn't look like she wants to.

      It's high unlikely, since they always talked very certain about this. As many people therozied, the cheap explanation will be Emma's pregnancy. Could you please send the link by the way?

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    • Well, it was obvious that they wouldn't kill Emma as everything they said implied nothing of the sort.

      Plus, the timeframe also matters. Like season 1 was the only lengthy present day season. To put in perspective.

      Season 1 (like 4 months)

      Season 2 (like 2 months)

      Season 3A (a little more than a week)

      Missing Year (like 8 to 9 months)

      Season 3B (like 2 months)

      Season 4A (like a month)

      Six week skip

      Season 4B (like a few weeks)

      Six week Camelot Quest

      Season 5A, 5B, and 6 (like at best four months total)

      So, Emma sitting out for a season while Hook, Regina, Rumple and Henry do whatever isn't somehting spectacular as it would be shorter than some of their quests.

      Emma will likely be doing something. (Seeing how Emma was 30 in season 6 and it is almost 20 years later, I don't know if she'll be pregnant. We haven't seen a child visit with Emma and Hook in  the filming with Andrew.)

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    • The problem is not that Emma is sitting out for a season. If the show were to continue, there still would be no Emma, the only solution I can think of is Hook returns home at the end of this season and we never see either of them again. Or killing both of them, kill everyone, blood blood blood. Lol

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      The problem is not that Emma is sitting out for a season. If the show were to continue, there still would be no Emma, the only solution I can think of is Hook returns home at the end of this season and we never see either of them again. Or killing both of them, kill everyone, blood blood blood. Lol

      Adam and Eddy decide to go all Game of Thrones on us. XD

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: The problem is not that Emma is sitting out for a season. If the show were to continue, there still would be no Emma, the only solution I can think of is Hook returns home at the end of this season and we never see either of them again. Or killing both of them, kill everyone, blood blood blood. Lol

      Yeah, it'll be a problem if the season is actually a lengthy time or he is around a few seasons without Emma, but that's down the line. I don't know if the writers expect a season 8 or if Colin will be in next season. (I think Bobby said that he himself wouldn't be there, so at least we know Rumple may go back to Belle.)

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote: The problem is not that Emma is sitting out for a season. If the show were to continue, there still would be no Emma, the only solution I can think of is Hook returns home at the end of this season and we never see either of them again. Or killing both of them, kill everyone, blood blood blood. Lol

      Yeah, it'll be a problem if the season is actually a lengthy time or he is around a few seasons without Emma, but that's down the line. I don't know if the writers expect a season 8 or if Colin will be in next season. (I think Bobby said that he himself wouldn't be there, so at least we know Rumple may go back to Belle.)

      Well, there's the theory that Rogers/Hook is actually a magical clone, like the EQ and Regina in S6. Could be the way how they keep "Hook" around Hyperion Heights and, if they're lucky, a season 8 while also keeping cs intact since the "real" Hook would be with Emma back in Storybrooke.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Emma will likely be doing something. (Seeing how Emma was 30 in season 6 and it is almost 20 years later, I don't know if she'll be pregnant. We haven't seen a child visit with Emma and Hook in  the filming with Andrew.)

      That's what's bothering me with the whole "CS baby" and "Emma will stay home pregnant" theories, too.

      1.) The time span between season 6 and 7 will be around 15 years, so why just having a child after all this time? To me it's very unlikely even if they're "busy" with the Sheriff job. If aging hasn't magically been stopped or time hasn't been sped up magically in Storybrooke, I don't see it coming.

      2.) The problem with Jennifer likely never coming back to OUAT that has been mentioned several times before. They're parted right now, right? So how are they going to show a reunion? Will there be no reunion? Will it be off-screen? Are they just going to show the happy faces of Rumple, Regina, Hook & Henry? That's a problem. It could be that Jennifer is coming back for the last episode but the producers are not counting on that and I have no high hopes.

      Edit: It could be that they have a child but they filmed the scenes in studio to not reveal it but if there's not some strange timing explanation I don't see the 'pregnant' stuff.

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    • I still think Killing her would be a perfect conclusion to her journey. It's also possible she filmed scenes for the finale while she was on set.

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    • I don't think she'd say no to one more appearance on the series finale (or when they decide to end Hook's on-screen journey). 

      You know, as long as it's not in, like, two episodes, I'm pretty sure she'll come back for one more guest. 

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    • The real star of the show! So she reunites with Hook as well? Why? Will we see her in the present too? I'm glad they are doing an emotional and satisfying curtain call, obviously that's not having her die, but I honestly can't think of anything else to close her story... since her happy beginning is being with her love and family, without Henry and Hook she will definitely not get her happy beginning anymore... let's wait and see.

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    • That's a wig, right?

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    • I personally can't really see it clearly but people are saying that Hook has a magic bean in his hand in that photo where Emma is holding onto him. 

      I've been assuming Henry travels back to Storybrooke to pick up his family members for the mission, but since that EF-looking hut is there, perhaps they actually traveled through a portal to find Henry first and somehow only Hook stays. (I guess Regina would already be there roaming around somewhere?) 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      I personally can't really see it clearly but people are saying that Hook has a magic bean in his hand in that photo where Emma is holding onto him. 

      I've been assuming Henry travels back to Storybrooke to pick up his family members for the mission, but since that EF-looking hut is there, perhaps they actually traveled through a portal to find Henry first and somehow only Hook stays. (I guess Regina would already be there roaming around somewhere?) 

      I see why they might think that but it looks more like his thumb, just blurred because he was moving when the picture was taken. I'm not certain, either, though.

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    • I doubt Emma chooses to stay behind in Storybrooke instead of helping Henry. Btw, I kinda wish she made this appearance later in the season, it would have been more satisfying, to see her return towards the end.

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    • It looks to me like this scene is a flash-forward (after the curse is broken) and that Emma's saying goodbe to Henry and she and Killian are planning on using the magic bean to get back to Storybrooke.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      That's a wig, right?

      Yep, JMo has cut her hair as soon as OUAT ended. 

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    • When you line up all the promo stills we've gotten for this episode, the lighting in the scenes gives us a sequence of events. It goes from day to night.  

      (Daytime) Emma, Hook, and Henry reuniting. [x]

      (A little later - the sun might be setting?)
      - Emma says goodbye to Henry....? [x]
      - Emma and Hook. [x ]
      - Hook and Henry. [x]

      (Evening - getting darker) Hook with chess piece. [x]

      (Nighttime) Henry and Hook.  [x]

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    • Yeah, from the recent pics that Hook (and soon Regina) stays for a while in the EF2.

      The only confusing part is context and so on, like where's Lucy in all this, is this before or after what we saw of EF2 in the finale.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Yeah, from the recent pics that Hook (and soon Regina) stays for a while in the EF2.

      The only confusing part is context and so on, like where's Lucy in all this, is this before or after what we saw of EF2 in the finale.

      I think the order may be this:

      - Henry meets Cinderella and they have Lucy (7x01)

      - Something happens and Henry calls Emma, Hook and Regina (7x02, since they said that Regina is featured in the flashbacks of this ep), while Lucy stays with Cinderella and Tiana.

      - For some reason Emma has to leave them (thus the photo above is a goodbye) and Henry reunites with Cinderella, Tiana and Lucy and introduces them to Hook and Regina. (7x03)

      - Rumple comes to help, perhaps advised by Emma. (7x04)

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      http://ew.com/tv/2017/09/05/once-upon-time-emma-jennifer-morrison-return-season-7-photos/

      New photos from this episode featuring our Emma Swan! 

      Nope.... I am not crying and none of you can prove I am crying

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    • I don't think the photo is a goodbye, it sounds like a reunion, plus I doubt they would spoil her last scene. Btw, do you think she will appear in the present story? I haven't seen her on set in Hyperion Heights. I wouldn't mind if it was a flashforward to the end of season 7, but if it was the case we would know how the story ends, lol.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      The real star of the show! So she reunites with Hook as well? Why? Will we see her in the present too? I'm glad they are doing an emotional and satisfying curtain call, obviously that's not having her die, but I honestly can't think of anything else to close her story... since her happy beginning is being with her love and family, without Henry and Hook she will definitely not get her happy beginning anymore... let's wait and see.


      "Real star of the show"? lol Been a while that Emma is not the star of the show anymore x)

      No, we won't see her in present days. That's highly doubtful.

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    • Okay so in this interview, Lana says:

      "For Regina, in Fairy Tale Land, there is also a time lapse," Parrilla explained. "She's older - just doesn't look it. I think it's maybe seven years later, so she's a different person as well."

      If she means 7 years after the events of season 6, then Henry should be around 21 in 7x02. Which has me thinking that Lucy probably doesn't exist yet in these flashbacks with Regina, Hook, Cinderella, and Tiana, unless they want baby Lucy to be a part of those flashbacks. 

      Eddy says here that Lucy is presently 9 years old and the age range they were looking for with present-day Henry was "late 20s-early 30s."

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Okay so in this interview, Lana says:

      "For Regina, in Fairy Tale Land, there is also a time lapse," Parrilla explained. "She's older - just doesn't look it. I think it's maybe seven years later, so she's a different person as well."

      If she means 7 years after the events of season 6, then Henry should be around 21 in 7x02. Which has me thinking that Lucy probably doesn't exist yet in these flashbacks with Regina, Hook, Cinderella, and Tiana, unless they want baby Lucy to be a part of those flashbacks. 

      Eddy says here that Lucy is presently 9 years old and the age range they were looking for with present-day Henry was "late 20s-early 30s."


      The flashback begin by Henry meeting Cinderella. Thought it was obvious that they're starting everything before Lucy's birth.

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    • So that means either Hook, Regina, and Rumple spent 9 years in the EF-2 or, assuming Lucy somehow escaped, everyone's been cursed for 9 years?

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      Okay so in this interview, Lana says:

      "For Regina, in Fairy Tale Land, there is also a time lapse," Parrilla explained. "She's older - just doesn't look it. I think it's maybe seven years later, so she's a different person as well."

      If she means 7 years after the events of season 6, then Henry should be around 21 in 7x02. Which has me thinking that Lucy probably doesn't exist yet in these flashbacks with Regina, Hook, Cinderella, and Tiana, unless they want baby Lucy to be a part of those flashbacks. 

      Eddy says here that Lucy is presently 9 years old and the age range they were looking for with present-day Henry was "late 20s-early 30s."


      The flashback begin by Henry meeting Cinderella. Thought it was obvious that they're starting everything before Lucy's birth.

      Well, we don't know that the flashbacks are going to be continuous. Past experience implies they aren't -- we saw Snow and Charming's wedding in episode 1, how they first met in episode 3, how Snow became a bandit in episode 7, how Charming proposed in episode 22... etc. Just because we see Henry and Cindy meet in episode 1 doesn't mean that they're just a few days after meeting in episode 2.

      At seven years (21-year-old Henry), it's still possible that Lucy could be born, just really young. If Henry is 28 in present-day, which is probably the youngest he might be, she would be two.

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      http://ew.com/tv/2017/09/05/once-upon-time-emma-jennifer-morrison-return-season-7-photos/

      New photos from this episode featuring our Emma Swan! 

      Calling it a curtain call really sounds like this will be Jen's final appearance on Once. Not that she and the writers can't change their minds later, if the show keeps going. I still don't think Emma dies, but I'm also having a hard time seeing how else to make this appearance "final" otherwise. Only other possiblility I can think of is that time in New EF is really weird, so that by the time HH is made, like 100 years have passed in LWM, meaning Emma (and everyone else) would be dead. It's going to be hard to sell Seattle not looking way more futuristic though, so that doesn't seem right either.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      AlbOuat wrote:
      http://ew.com/tv/2017/09/05/once-upon-time-emma-jennifer-morrison-return-season-7-photos/New photos from this episode featuring our Emma Swan! 
      Calling it a curtain call really sounds like this will be Jen's final appearance on Once. Not that she and the writers can't change their minds later, if the show keeps going. I still don't think Emma dies, but I'm also having a hard time seeing how else to make this appearance "final" otherwise. Only other possiblility I can think of is that time in New EF is really weird, so that by the time HH is made, like 100 years have passed in LWM, meaning Emma (and everyone else) would be dead. It's going to be hard to sell Seattle not looking way more futuristic though, so that doesn't seem right either.

      I think that's a good theory, but the writers said we are going to see Storybrooke again this year, and without Emma, so not only does SB still exist (although it could be flashbacks) but Emma is not there. And I doubt separating them in another realm would be a good explanation, since realm hopping is so easy in the show, even if they could, still, it would open the door for more appearances for Emma, there needs to be a permanent solution for her journey and to explain her absence, which is why I want her dead.

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    • Can we just wait until we get some filming spoilers confirmation (or a few weeks)?

      Because for all we know Hook and Regina visit while Emma and Snow and David decide to go on a parent-daughter 6 week cruise and then all of season 7 is in 6 weeks.

      My point being we don't know the circumstances nor the time frame.

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    • Why can't we speculate though?

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Why can't we speculate though?

      Lol, you can (as you can see I didn't make a mod note), but it's really loops around to personal beliefs and perspectives. 

      I believe the discussion is more valuable when there's something to back things up. Like someone could randomly speculate that Hook isn't the real Hook. Is there much backing it? No, so it'll be free specualtion, but that has less to do with the spoilers and the filming and more to random speculation and "theory", which I quote it because theories should be based on something XD (which will be tagged as spoilers until it airs).

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    • It's really good to see her again in these pictures. So I continue to speculate, it's definitely like a check mate in my opinion, looking objectively at the situation, besides my personal belief:

      1. If Emma is staying behind in Storybrooke or wherever she is, not only it's out of character, but it would leave the door open for more appearances, and the writers "confirmed" (although they could be lying?) that she won't be back again.

      2. If Emma is trapped/separated from her family into another realm, they will have to rescue her and it's gonna tease more appearances, which, again, can't happen.

      3. This is more of a stretch, but if Emma gets, like, exhiled, and not be allowed to return again, I personally think it could work, but it would not be a satisfying end like the writers promised.

      So they pretty much have their hands tied, there's not much they can do, I'm not saying she is 100% dead, but I predict there will be a permanent solution to explain her absence. And if that doesn't happen, people (me included) WILL demand to see her in more episodes, especially if this is the last season.

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    • Emillian Swanones wrote:
      More Promo Stills

      Looks good. I do wonder, is Henry back in SB, or is Emma and Hook in the New EF. Either way, someone has gone through a portal.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Looks good. I do wonder, is Henry back in SB, or is Emma and Hook in the New EF. Either way, someone has gone through a portal.

      I am incline to believe, that Emma and Hook went to the EF 2.0.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Emillian Swanones wrote:
      More Promo Stills
      Looks good. I do wonder, is Henry back in SB, or is Emma and Hook in the New EF. Either way, someone has gone through a portal.

      I don't think that's SB.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Emillian Swanones wrote:
      More Promo Stills
      Looks good. I do wonder, is Henry back in SB, or is Emma and Hook in the New EF. Either way, someone has gone through a portal.
      I don't think that's SB.

      This. As far as we have seen, Adult Henry has only been seen in EF2 or HH.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Emillian Swanones wrote:
      More Promo Stills
      Looks good. I do wonder, is Henry back in SB, or is Emma and Hook in the New EF. Either way, someone has gone through a portal.
      I don't think that's SB.
      This. As far as we have seen, Adult Henry has only been seen in EF2 or HH.

      Which begs the question, how did Emma and Hook get to Henry, and how did they even know he's in a New EF.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Emillian Swanones wrote:
      More Promo Stills
      Looks good. I do wonder, is Henry back in SB, or is Emma and Hook in the New EF. Either way, someone has gone through a portal.
      I don't think that's SB.
      This. As far as we have seen, Adult Henry has only been seen in EF2 or HH.
      Which begs the question, how did Emma and Hook get to Henry, and how did they even know he's in a New EF.

      I wonder how people from a town where they are regrowing magic beans and have powerful wands and sorceresses...XD I think you see where I'm going. 

      They could use a bean and focus on Henry/use something that belongs to him when using some other type of portal, or even see across realms and wish with some magic object to get there.

      I think someone mentioned that it looked as though Hook had a magic bean in his hands, so I guess that isn't farfetched.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Which begs the question, how did Emma and Hook get to Henry, and how did they even know he's in a New EF.

      A portal of sorts, plus just thinking of the person while going through.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Which begs the question, how did Emma and Hook get to Henry, and how did they even know he's in a New EF.

      A portal of sorts, plus just thinking of the person while going through.

      Or we might see the magic globe return??

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    • It will be interesting to see what they tease in for this episode on Friday. I'm assuming it will mostly be Emma.

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    • The first episode is not even out. WHAT

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      The first episode is not even out. WHAT

      The article says that this sneak peek was screened for the fans at the NYCC panel (happening right now), so that's probably why they got the ok to post ahead. xD 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      The first episode is not even out. WHAT
      The article says that this sneak peek was screened for the fans at the NYCC panel (happening right now), so that's probably why they got the ok to post ahead. xD 

      Can I have a sneak peek of the mid season finale too, maybe?

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    • So I guess we have our magical item of the episode - a message in a bottle which is what Henry will probably use to contact his family members.

      And I'm not sure if I'm supposed to take Emma's "What if I don't get a second chance?" line as a hint towards a certain reveal......

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    • Yeah, this scene is full of foreshadowing, I think. And of course there is a magical mcguffin XD

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    • Just when I thought they couldn't overshow the premiere! XD

      So, wonky macguffin that sort of doesn't make sense (via the wording), but cool. I'm guessing it's suppose to go to Henry, but that explanation seems like it would go to Hook?

      If Emma dies, then I'll make a thread about how the writers can't solve any big issue without death. After Graham in 1, Neal in 3, Robin in 5, Emma should not die in 7 or I think I'll have to get some rum myself.

      Looking forward to the episode.....after the premiere!

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Just when I thought they couldn't overshow the premiere! XD

      So, wonky macguffin that sort of doesn't make sense (via the wording), but cool. I'm guessing it's suppose to go to Henry, but that explanation seems like it would go to Hook?

      If Emma dies, then I'll make a thread about how the writers can't solve any big issue without death. After Graham in 1, Neal in 3, Robin in 5, Emma should not die in 7 or I think I'll have to get some rum myself.

      Looking forward to the episode.....after the premiere!

      That's some stupid logic, sorry XD

      But death ends a character journey in a meaningful way, rather than put them off-screen. I'm okay with Emma staying alive IF she returns later in the season, unlikely as it is, I can hope. And obviously she won't get to see Henry grow up, we already know that, so it's what she meant. I actually have a theory that she needs to stay back, even though that's not who Emma is, to give Henry the opportunity to become a hero and break the curse.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Just when I thought they couldn't overshow the premiere! XD

      So, wonky macguffin that sort of doesn't make sense (via the wording), but cool. I'm guessing it's suppose to go to Henry, but that explanation seems like it would go to Hook?

      If Emma dies, then I'll make a thread about how the writers can't solve any big issue without death. After Graham in 1, Neal in 3, Robin in 5, Emma should not die in 7 or I think I'll have to get some rum myself.

      Looking forward to the episode.....after the premiere!

      That's some stupid logic, sorry XD

      But death ends a character journey in a meaningful way, rather than put them off-screen. I'm okay with Emma staying alive IF she returns later in the season, unlikely as it is, I can hope. And obviously she won't get to see Henry grow up, we already know that, so it's what she meant. I actually have a theory that she needs to stay back, even though that's not who Emma is, to give Henry the opportunity to become a hero and break the curse.

      Don't think I was talking about that. I know how a narrative works. I'm talking about the patterns, which I believe A & E implied they are trying to avoid to some degree.  (Though even worse if Emma was somehow the message in the bottle "Henry Mills, you're our only hope!") XD

      I'm not going to discuss that until we find out. 

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    • Looks like a good starting point for this episode. Excited to see where it goes.

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    • Spraking, momentarily, of the premiere.

      HAS IT BEEN ON YET!?!?!?!

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      It's really good to see her again in these pictures. So I continue to speculate, it's definitely like a check mate in my opinion, looking objectively at the situation, besides my personal belief:

      1. If Emma is staying behind in Storybrooke or wherever she is, not only it's out of character, but it would leave the door open for more appearances, and the writers "confirmed" (although they could be lying?) that she won't be back again.

      2. If Emma is trapped/separated from her family into another realm, they will have to rescue her and it's gonna tease more appearances, which, again, can't happen.

      3. This is more of a stretch, but if Emma gets, like, exhiled, and not be allowed to return again, I personally think it could work, but it would not be a satisfying end like the writers promised.

      So they pretty much have their hands tied, there's not much they can do, I'm not saying she is 100% dead, but I predict there will be a permanent solution to explain her absence. And if that doesn't happen, people (me included) WILL demand to see her in more episodes, especially if this is the last season.

      Taking a guess? That Beetle in the hand of the troll in Seattle - Emma is frozen, in stone, inside her bug. So she physically can't reappear as no-one knows she exists anymore.

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    • HarryPotterRules1 wrote:
      Spraking, momentarily, of the premiere.

      HAS IT BEEN ON YET!?!?!?!

      Very soon. Like a few minutes.

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    • So looks like the double Hook theory is correct.

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    • Double Hook theory? Explain?

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    • Calibaz wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote: The problem is not that Emma is sitting out for a season. If the show were to continue, there still would be no Emma, the only solution I can think of is Hook returns home at the end of this season and we never see either of them again. Or killing both of them, kill everyone, blood blood blood. Lol

      Yeah, it'll be a problem if the season is actually a lengthy time or he is around a few seasons without Emma, but that's down the line. I don't know if the writers expect a season 8 or if Colin will be in next season. (I think Bobby said that he himself wouldn't be there, so at least we know Rumple may go back to Belle.)

      Well, there's the theory that Rogers/Hook is actually a magical clone, like the EQ and Regina in S6. Could be the way how they keep "Hook" around Hyperion Heights and, if they're lucky, a season 8 while also keeping cs intact since the "real" Hook would be with Emma back in Storybrooke.

      This is the theory

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    • Ugh... please let this double Hook thing be better than the theories...

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    • So, there is a very wild theory going around about Hook not being the real Hook and a glamour spell......................

      I don't know like what's going on because I didn't watch 7x01 (yet)

      Also, Leanne Aguilera hinted today on twitter that 7x02 might not be the last of CS (Captain Swan).

      Would that mean that Emma might return at some point? Maybe the door is not totally closed

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      Also, Leanne Aguilera hinted today on twitter that 7x02 might not be the last of CS (Captain Swan).

      Would that mean that Emma might return at some point? Maybe the door is not totally closed

      I think she meant that the sneak peek she shared wasn't the last CS scene in the episode.

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    • Sign. There should be more to storytelling than appeasing the crowd. This is a terrible idea, but at least it will be for just one episode and then it will be like it never happened and we can forget about it. Oh and don't forget to create another Hook page.

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    • Hook is fighting another version of himself in CGI Land, so they're not in SB, but then they're reassuring each other about a female someone being "here".....so Emma went through a portal but gets out? Or are they talking about someone else? + whose idea was it to clone him if the 2 versions are not on the same page? Is one evil? Did Henry end up with the original or the clone? Is there even a clone? (like is he hallucinating? Has Alice done it again?)

      I'm lost with trying to predict the sequence of events within 7x02. There's:
      - Henry gets captured by Tremaine.
      - Hook vs. Hook.
      - Hook and Regina fighting Tremaine. Regina casts spell on slipper.
      - Henry, Hook, and Emma in the forest. It looks like they're having some downtime in those promo pics lol, but the other scenes in the episode look intense, so when did they find time for this family catch-up?
      - They're also cutting to a shot of Emma contemplating in front a portal, which looks just like that image of her in Henry's 7x01 book. So that's ominous.

      There's something missing about either the double Hook scene or the Henry/Hook/Emma scene.

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    • I'm trying to read the text in the page next to Emma's pic in the new book but I can't make anything from what I see there

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Hook is fighting another version of himself in CGI Land, so they're not in SB, but then they're reassuring each other about a female someone being "here".....so Emma went through a portal but gets out? Or are they talking about someone else? + whose idea was it to clone him if the 2 versions are not on the same page? Is one evil? Did Henry end up with the original or the clone? Is there even a clone? (like is he hallucinating? Has Alice done it again?)

      I'm lost with trying to predict the sequence of events within 7x02. There's:
      - Henry gets captured by Tremaine.
      - Hook vs. Hook.
      - Hook and Regina fighting Tremaine. Regina casts spell on slipper.
      - Henry, Hook, and Emma in the forest. It looks like they're having some downtime in those promo pics lol, but the other scenes in the episode look intense, so when did they find time for this family catch-up?
      - They're also cutting to a shot of Emma contemplating in front a portal, which looks just like that image of her in Henry's 7x01 book. So that's ominous.

      There's something missing about either the double Hook scene or the Henry/Hook/Emma scene.

      And we have Emma, Hook, and Young Henry on the Jolly Roger before Henry leaves SB. This episode is going to have a lot of FBs! But we need it, I think.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      8Rob wrote:

      Also, Leanne Aguilera hinted today on twitter that 7x02 might not be the last of CS (Captain Swan).

      Would that mean that Emma might return at some point? Maybe the door is not totally closed

      I think she meant that the sneak peek she shared wasn't the last CS scene in the episode.

      Ohhhh maybe you're right

      I didn't even think of it, because all the sneak peeks are usually from like the first 10 minutes of the episode. So, it's pretty obvious this isn't their last scene in 7x02. (Also, because this is clearly a set up scene so it can't be their last one in the episode).

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    • Random theory: Msybe Emma was the one to open the portal for Henry in 7x01 and when he didn't come through, she decided to go and find him with Hook & Regina?

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    • What if one of the Hooks is a Future Hook who already went through all the Hyperion Heights stuff and traveled back in time to be with Emma and the Hook in Hyperion Heights is the present day one? That way CS's happy ending is preserved without them being separted for however long the curse lasts and Rogers isn't some clone. 

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    • When do we think we get press releases now? Monday?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      When do we think we get press releases now? Monday?

      Yeah, technically ABC is not releasing press releases during the week end

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    • Yeah, I kinda like the time travelling Hook (sounds like The Flash or Legends of Tomorrow) more than the alternate Hook theory, I prefer having the one we care about, but if they wanted to keep the happy ending from season 6 they should have left Hook with Emma. If she stays alive I hope she returns for more episodes!

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    • My theory is Hook 2.0 (the one sent) is the message in the bottle. After all...."add the name of your favorite pirate" was part of the bottle message spell.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      My theory is Hook 2.0 (the one sent) is the message in the bottle. After all...."add the name of your favorite pirate" was part of the bottle message spell.

      Esk, as strange as it would be, your theory makes sense.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      My theory is Hook 2.0 (the one sent) is the message in the bottle. After all...."add the name of your favorite pirate" was part of the bottle message spell.
      Esk, as strange as it would be, your theory makes sense.

      What? You didn't accept that Emma was secretly Hook's spleen? XD

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      What? You didn't accept that Emma was secretly Hook's spleen? XD

      Huh?

      While I think Rogers is the real Hook, you are probably correct that the second one is the "message in a bottle". The question is, why did Emma even need to leave a message?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      What? You didn't accept that Emma was secretly Hook's spleen? XD

      Huh?

      While I think Rogers is the real Hook, you are probably correct that the second one is the "message in a bottle". The question is, why did Emma even need to leave a message?

      Oh, I was referring to any early crackpot theory in another thread (that was about Hook, but not really since it turned into talks about Emma).

      Depends on timeframe of the flashback. I can't imagine that Hook and co stayed in EF2 for 10+ years. Part of the flashback, I assume Emma visits and then leaves before Hook and Regina. It would be weird for her to send the message unless it's right before the curse clouds roll in EF2.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Depends on timeframe of the flashback. I can't imagine that Hook and co stayed in EF2 for 10+ years. Part of the flashback, I assume Emma visits and then leaves before Hook and Regina. It would be weird for her to send the message unless it's right before the curse clouds roll in EF2.

      Rumplestiltskin probably did not come to the EF2, until much later. Seems like Alice is working for him, and keepig an eye on Henry. As for Hook and Regina, they may very well have been there for 10+ years. 

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    • According to Lana, when Regina arrives for the rescue mission it's been "seven years"...

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    • HENRY IS REUNITED WITH EMMA, HOOK AND REGINA AFTER FACING TROUBLE IN THE NEW ENCHANTED FOREST; AND IN HYPERION HEIGHTS, JACINDA FIGHTS VICTORIA TO SEE LUCY, ON ABC’S ‘ONCE UPON A TIME’

      “A Pirate’s Life” – When Henry finds himself in trouble, he calls upon his Storybrooke family for help, and together they set off on a mission to find Cinderella. Along the way, Hook is confronted by an unexpected foe who threatens the group’s success. In Hyperion Heights, Jacinda searches for a way to see Lucy with some unwelcome assistance from Henry, while Victoria Belfrey enlists the help of Gold and Weaver to push Henry out of the neighborhood, on “Once Upon a Time,” FRIDAY, OCTOBER 13 (8:00–9:01 p.m. EDT), on The ABC Television Network.

      “Once Upon a Time” stars Lana Parrilla as Regina/Roni, Robert Carlyle as Rumpelstiltskin/Weaver, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook/Rogers, Andrew J. West as Henry Mills, Gabrielle Anwar as Lady Tremaine/Victoria Belfrey, Dania Ramirez as Cinderella/Jacinda and Alison Fernandez as Lucy.

      Guest starring in this episode are Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Jared S. Gilmore as Young Henry, Mekia Cox as Sabine/Tiana, Adelaide Kane as Drizella/Ivy and Trevor Roberts as Remy.

      “A Pirate’s Life” was written by Jane Espenson & Jerome Schwartz and directed by Tara Nicole Weyr.  

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    • Lol, New Enchanted Forest is canonized! 

      Gold and Weaver? Not much else is surprising.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Lol, New Enchanted Forest is canonized! 

      Gold and Weaver? Not much else is surprising.

      Gold and Weaver is probably a mistype. Maybe Alice and Weaver or Rogers and Weaver.

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    • Plot twist: there are also 2 Rumples! Lol

      The part about Hook being "confronted by an unexpected foe" does add a little to my already existing confusion about that part of the episode though. So this other Hook already exists?

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    • > Gold and Weaver... WTF

      > New Enchanted Forest... Funny

      > NO ALICE, WHYYYYY

      > "Henry is in trouble and calls his Storybrooke family for help" well, that didn't take long XD

      I would say Emma is really done as I doubt she would abandon Henry in danger, it's just that second Hook makes me think they will keep Captain Swan together.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      > Gold and Weaver... WTF

      > New Enchanted Forest... Funny

      > NO ALICE, WHYYYYY

      > "Henry is in trouble and calls his Storybrooke family for help" well, that didn't take long XD

      I would say Emma is really done as I doubt she would abandon Henry in danger, it's just that second Hook makes me think they will keep Captain Swan together.

      Alice probably won't appear until episode 4.

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    • Gold and Weaver must be Rogers and Weaver. Either that or there are dopplegangers indeed just like 2 Hooks, 2 Rumples.

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    • Am I the only one who thinks the focus on Hook in this episode feels a little forced? I mean, we don't know what the second Hook is up to, but with the rest of the description -- present-day focus on Cindy, Victoria, and Lucy; Henry fighting Tremaine; etc. -- it seems like a plot point that's out of place. I'll hold off until the episode comes out to make a final judgment, but right now I'm feeling like this would have been better if it was a Henry/Emma-centric with Hook having a relatively large role just to give Captain Swan fans some closure.

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    • Yay, press release! Boo to cast list. We literally knew about all those people already. Gold is most likely a typo for Rogers.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Am I the only one who thinks the focus on Hook in this episode feels a little forced? I mean, we don't know what the second Hook is up to, but with the rest of the description -- present-day focus on Cindy, Victoria, and Lucy; Henry fighting Tremaine; etc. -- it seems like a plot point that's out of place. I'll hold off until the episode comes out to make a final judgment, but right now I'm feeling like this would have been better if it was a Henry/Emma-centric with Hook having a relatively large role just to give Captain Swan fans some closure.

      Hook focus being forced in this Hook centric? XD

      I know what you're getting at--Why focus on Hook when we don't have a clue about the newbies and the story is not really about him?

      Don't know. Perhaps Hook has to make a decision similar to Rogers and it'll be "moral of the story"-ed.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Am I the only one who thinks the focus on Hook in this episode feels a little forced? I mean, we don't know what the second Hook is up to, but with the rest of the description -- present-day focus on Cindy, Victoria, and Lucy; Henry fighting Tremaine; etc. -- it seems like a plot point that's out of place. I'll hold off until the episode comes out to make a final judgment, but right now I'm feeling like this would have been better if it was a Henry/Emma-centric with Hook having a relatively large role just to give Captain Swan fans some closure.

      Well, like you kinda said, we don't know what they're going to be leading up to in this episode. And 7x01 was an intro to everyone, so they can really jump off anywhere. (Starting with a veteran centric might've been a good viewership retention decision) Looking back at the set spoilers we got, Colin filmed almost all days, and there's also quite a bit of Henry.

      I think the Jacinda/Lucy part will probably end up being more of a C-plot.

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    • Can we change the summary then if "Gold and Weaver" is an error? It's meant to be "Rogers and Weaver" so surely we can fix that?

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    • I'm starting to think that the second Hook will stick around, we have 2 pieces of evidence:

      1. The writers said they are not destroying CS's happy ending, so they may not separate them... but would rather separate Hook.

      2. They said Hook has a sense of loss and something is missing, there is a missing person case, it could be Emma, or it could be the other side of Hook?

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    • If everyone has a clone then casting the Dark Curse is super easy now

      All you have to do is clone the person you love most, and use the clone's heart to cast it

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    • HarryPotterRules1 wrote:
      Can we change the summary then if "Gold and Weaver" is an error? It's meant to be "Rogers and Weaver" so surely we can fix that?

      Well we always keep the synopsis but we will add it to the trivia for whatever it turns out to be. Might not even be Rogers, coul be Tiana for all we know?

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    • HarryPotterRules1 wrote:
      Can we change the summary then if "Gold and Weaver" is an error? It's meant to be "Rogers and Weaver" so surely we can fix that?

      If a source says it is Rogers, then we note the error in the trivia. Without a source, it stays that way until it airs (and then it goes in trivia)

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    • They just uploaded more stills from this episode and there are 2 Hooks in the forest scenes with Emma and Henry. 

      http://www.disneyabcpress.com/abc/shows/once-upon-a-time/photos/

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