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  • Go forth and Wake up!

    Esk's prediction (1 to 595): Knew Tigerlily was a f-f-f.....oversized glow-worm.

    And those flowers were special!

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    • Interesting episode, and it fits fine in the timeline. I'm guessing Tiger Lily will be an orange fairy, given her name. Also, seems Moe French's scene was cut. I believe he was going to give MM the flowers at the beginning of the flashback. I get it's not really important, but still, would have been nice to leave in.

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    • Good ep. I was rather surprised Tigerlilly was a former fairy. Interesting how the Bf seems to be a threat to all realms.

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    • I'm really happy that Emma and Hook are back together and Snow and Charming are awake. It is that easy to break a sleeping curse? Everyone can share i and only be knocked out for a few seconds? Why has noone discovered this before?

      Is Tigerlily's backstory going to be part of the Black Fairy's backsory?

      Snow gave no indication that she knew the black fairy despite it being implied that she gave Snow the dark fairy dust in Snow Falls.

      In the flashback did Rumple also take a memmory potion or did he have his memmories for the last 18 years of the curse? his would actually explain a lot. In Save Henry Rumpel appeared to remember who he was and this would mean Regina adopting Henry was not a coincidence.

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    • •Thoughts

      1. I'm glad that the town people did something for Snow and Charming. It's always them sacrificing for everyone else.
      2. Tiger Lily was a fairy? Did I hear correctly? XD
      3. I liked the return of neverland and the shadow! :-)
      4. Why does everyone get a hold of the dagger so easily? I remember when Rumple was clever enough to hide it someplace no one could find it. He must do it again, for everyone's sake.
      5. Why doesn't Rumple just kill the Black fairy? He has the power of all the dark ones.
      6. I liked when the black fairy said "I practically invented dark magic". Not forgetting that Nimue was the one of the first users of dark magic as well.
      7. I was hoping that Tiger Lily would have run into the door with Hook. That scene felt rush and was crazy. The lost boys were like "What the heck?" Lol
      8. I wonder if Tiger Lily ever met Tinker Bell.
      9. I'm also very intrigued by the wand that banished the black fairy.

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    • Remember nothing beyond this episode belongs in this thread.

      I knew those flowers were something special. Now it seems like any fairy would poof up a portal before Rumple. XD A lot of small things and "the love of the people" actually means something for once. The cup thing makes little sense, but I guess they weren't up to kiss them as that would take a long time.

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    • Ok... so it seems Regina just pretended nothing happened

      The memory potion AGAIN. That got old like 3 seasons ago

      And David was fell in coma again after taking the memory potion. That was weird

      Other than that, I kinda liked it. It was decent. Ruby totally needed to be there tho. Since they were recreating the 2x17 flashback.

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    • Begfhn wrote:
      I'm really happy that Emma and Hook are back together and Snow and Charming are awake. It is that easy to break a sleeping curse? Everyone can share i and only be knocked out for a few seconds? Why has noone discovered this before?

      Is Tigerlily's backstory going to be part of the Black Fairy's backsory?

      Snow gave no indication that she knew the black fairy despite it being implied that she gave Snow the dark fairy dust in Snow Falls.

      In the flashback did Rumple also take a memmory potion or did he have his memmories for the last 18 years of the curse? his would actually explain a lot. In Save Henry Rumpel appeared to remember who he was and this would mean Regina adopting Henry was not a coincidence.

      1. Love of the people. To be fair, it was mention before but at least it actually does something. Love is sacrifice and now we see it goes both ways. 

      2. Seems like it.

      3. Noone ever said the Black Fairy gave it to her specifically. Black only appears when children are unattended, so...

      4. He took the potion. He doesn't remember. In that episode he didn't remember, that's just Mr. Gold's personality. Mr. Gold and Rumple have two different personalities.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Ok... so it seems Regina just pretended nothing happened

      The memory potion AGAIN. That got old like 3 seasons ago

      And David was fell in coma again after taking the memory potion. That was weird

      Other than that, I kinda liked it. It was decent. Ruby totally needed to be there tho. Since they were recreating the 2x17 flashback.

      It was never said to be a memory poition but to return things how they were. Basically, they were anti-flowered.

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    • Oh and Snow and David's kisd didn't break the Dark Curse in the flashback. Rumple used their true love for the curse, rigth? How come they couldn't break it???

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    • Only someone who wasn't cursed would be able to break the curse, in this case, Emma.

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    • great episode. hook and back with Emma and Snow and David are awake. I wonder if Rumple is going to help Emma and the others fight the Black Fairy.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Oh and Snow and David's kisd didn't break the Dark Curse in the flashback.

      Rumple used their true love for the curse, rigth? How come they couldn't break it???

      Not every kiss is TLK. Otherwise, that would get annoying quick. XD

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    • CAPTAIN SWAN IS REUNITED!!! THEY ARE ENGAGED!!! SNOWING IS AWAKE!!!

      I loved, loved, loved this episode. So much. It had scens between all my favorite main pairings (Captain Swan, Snowing, Snow and Emma, David and Emma, and Captain Charming), the second CS proposal was beautiful, Snowing's awake, the flashbacks were amazing (I don't mind that Snowing didn't get Emma, having them see her was good enough/I don't mind retcons), the Black Fairy's still deliciously creepy, and the episode had the added bonus of introducing Tiger Lily, a great character who just happens to be a former fairy and wants to help Emma defeat the Black Fairy with help from the most powerful wand ever. The episode flowed together beautifully, it wasa filled with heartfelt and touching moments, and I'm pretty sure it's my favorite episode of the season so far.

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    • I'm really intrigued by this Tiger Lily. So we know right off the bat that she's connected to the Black Fairy. I'm assuming she also snuck through the portal and we'll see her again next week. We know she's a fairy - is she a savior too?

      The cursebreaking was a really sweet moment. :) Loved the idea of the town coming together to help Snow and Charming! And now the squad is all back together again. 

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    • Ah this episode further my theory I posted under "Mother's Little Helper" discussion. Black Fairy wants Rumplestiltskin to embrace his darkness and to join her.

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    • So, neither Archie, Granny or the dwarfs remembered David woke up from the coma the first time?

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    • JMsapphireZ wrote:
      So, neither Archie, Granny or the dwarfs remembered David woke up from the coma the first time?

      I don't believe they ever saw David walking around though? So they probably bought the whole "he was sleep walking". 

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    • I didn't like the episode much... The previous one was way better. So Rumple vs Black Fairy is coming too. Black Fairy practically invented Dark Magic? What's that supposed to mean? This is getting confusing...

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    • Isn't interesting how Andrew Chambliss claims to be the timeline master and yet retcons the most?

      Absoloutely hated this digusting retconny episode. A shame really, they could've done so much with a Snow/Charming centric

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    • Edzz wrote: Isn't interesting how Andrew Chambliss claims to be the timeline master and yet retcons the most?

      Absoloutely hated this digusting retconny episode. A shame really, they could've done so much with a Snow/Charming centric

      Didn't like it as well.

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    • My Negative thoughts in here, if you don't want to read negative opinions about the show, then don't read it.

      http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:320885?useskin=oasis

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    • Edzz wrote:
      Isn't interesting how Andrew Chambliss claims to be the timeline master and yet retcons the most?

      Absoloutely hated this digusting retconny episode. A shame really, they could've done so much with a Snow/Charming centric

      To be fair, the writer writes the episode, not makes up the story. The whole group of writers does that.

      Second, as I apparently have to do each episode like I'm a super-defensive person (lol) that retcon != discontinuity. There are like two types of retcon: the unnecessary and the bad; much of the retcons we see are the unnecessary.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Edzz wrote:
      Isn't interesting how Andrew Chambliss claims to be the timeline master and yet retcons the most?

      Absoloutely hated this digusting retconny episode. A shame really, they could've done so much with a Snow/Charming centric

      To be fair, the writer writes the episode, not makes up the story. The whole group of writers does that.

      Second, as I apparently have to do each episode like I'm a super-defensive person (lol) that retcon != discontinuity. There are like two types of retcon: the unnecessary and the bad; much of the retcons we see are the unnecessary.

      But this one is a bad one. It devalues the entire premise of the first season, the fact that Emma was the only one who could break the Dark Curse and Snow and Charming's reunion at the end of the first season.

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    • Since my habdashery of defending against minute things is over (XD Don't know why I try)....

      I like the episode. The flashbacks were hiarious and a new thing besides the age old Snow fighting the Evil Queen. If I had to choose between that and this, this succeeds as they try to squeeze in so much in the other part of the timeline. The present was more enjoyable but...

      1. Anyone, whether they are super-fan or casual cynic, should see that they have really ran out of storylines and they essentially mash things together. What I speak of is, Tiger Lily sounds exactly like Tinkerbell in season 3. Just look again and their story of having the chance to save a troubled soul from going down a dark path and losing their wings and living in Neverland and knocking people out and pixie dust galore and Hook's talk mirroring Regina's with Tink....

      2. The macguffins were off the wall. Tree sap that rips shadows. The Short Chekov's gun wand. The new Pixie flowers that are different from the pixie dust tree. Now the pixie flower can easily be digested as if Regina only summons one flower, then it could easily be understood why the flower never came up before. If the pixie flower is in relation to amount of Darkness and dark magic and Regina summons one every now and then....noone else would do much else.

      3. Emma's nun shirt was hilariously out of place and I'm sure that's why the lost boys were confused at Emma apearing. It was like she ran a mile and was disoriented, lol. 

      Otherwise, pretty solid filler. But each episode is sort of ending the stories of characters, so I'm fine with that.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Edzz wrote:
      Isn't interesting how Andrew Chambliss claims to be the timeline master and yet retcons the most?

      Absoloutely hated this digusting retconny episode. A shame really, they could've done so much with a Snow/Charming centric

      To be fair, the writer writes the episode, not makes up the story. The whole group of writers does that.

      Second, as I apparently have to do each episode like I'm a super-defensive person (lol) that retcon != discontinuity. There are like two types of retcon: the unnecessary and the bad; much of the retcons we see are the unnecessary.

      But this one is a bad one. It devalues the entire premise of the first season, the fact that Emma was the only one who could break the Dark Curse and Snow and Charming's reunion at the end of the first season.

      I would say it walks the line. They made sure the flower was a single one and that it could only be so effective. I don't think it did any real damage to the premise of the first season much. Is it unnecessary, yes. Does it retread everything we knew about Snow and David, yes. But there was no real harm to any character or continuity. It was contrived and untra-convenient and completely unneeded, but meh, anything beats Evil Bae and the massive Swan Song retcon that was paraded around as if we had memory loss.

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    • I really enjoyed the episode - the flashbacks gave some serious Season 1 vibes which I loved and the present storyline moved at a decent pace - enjoyed the episode. Although I'm not a fan of the memory potion as I feel like they literally did the exact same thing with Regina and Zelena in "Sisters" - I didn't mind too much for this ep. I find Tiger Lily intriguing, but I feel like she's a rehash of Tink. There's quite a it of inconsistency regarding magic in Storybrooke. I though you couldn;t use magic during the Dark Curse and I don't like the fact tht every season it's becoming easier and easier to open portals - but still a good ep ;P

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    • Lola987 wrote:
      I really enjoyed the episode - the flashbacks gave some serious Season 1 vibes which I loved and the present storyline moved at a decent pace - enjoyed the episode. Although I'm not a fan of the memory potion as I feel like they literally did the exact same thing with Regina and Zelena in "Sisters" - I didn't mind too much for this ep. I find Tiger Lily intriguing, but I feel like she's a rehash of Tink. There's quite a it of inconsistency regarding magic in Storybrooke. I though you couldn;t use magic during the Dark Curse and I don't like the fact tht every season it's becoming easier and easier to open portals - but still a good ep ;P

      Magical items still work in the LWM. Magic works in the LWM, just not the handwavey-atmospheric kind (unless you have a magic item holding your magic). 

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    • Esk's Grade Report for the episode. 

      Plot ( 2 of 3)

      - It was a solid plot. Positive all around; however:

      - Retread: TL is a Tink retread and Snow and David's story retread's what we;ve known and seen in a more effective way prior. Doesn't hurt, but wasn't necessary to do.

      - Macguffins galore. Every story has their macguffin; however, there were too many to be sustainable. Shadow ripping sap, Piece of an ancient wand, Dust from the Pixie Flower is beyond the necessary amount. Used wisely though. 

      Character ( 3 of 4)

      + Hook: Not much more than showing a true display of how much he has changed. Was pretty rough around the edges, but the positives outweigh the iffy delivery and context.

      + Snow and David: Retread that was more of a return to form than anything. By any account this would be neutral; however, their return to the sacrificial heroes we knew was fully deveoped with them receiving the love of the people and even performing actions of those (Ruth) that sacrificed themselves for their child's happiness. 

      + Everybody else. Felt like a town filled with clashing fairytales into the real world once again.

      o Less of a character balance between the Black-Rumple-Belle-Gideon dynamic.

      General Consensus ( 1 out of 2)

      - It appears to be received as pretty "meh". Some seem excessively disturbed by the flashback dynamics. Others seem to be moderately happy by the present day drama.

      Balance (.5 of 1)

      - Where as Adam and Eddy balance extremes and Jane and Jerome use muted elements of both, Andrew and Leah seemed to try to establish a muted effect that unfortunately falls flat. 

      Overall Score: 6.5 out of 10, or a D+, or a mixed episode.

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    • I have to rewatch the episode for a better review but I can say that I like it but with some reservations. I can accept the retcon with memory potion once (with Sisters) but now it's becoming an habit so it kinda bothers me. Even though the flashback scenes overall were nice and emotional. What annoyed me was the flowers mcguffin, couldn't they find something better or logical like a simple TLK between Snowing? The way they resolved the sleeping curse was not bad though, and I'm glad it connected with the flashback. Emma was so selfish though, plus her taking the fault for Hook's mistake made me cringe. Tiger Lily was cool though and I'm curious to know her backstory. Still loving the Black Fairy as a villain, and Jaime is really good.

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    • Positives

      • We finally got more explanation about what was up with David when the curse was cast. I mean, it was so random and we never knew why and how he got into hospital on the first place. Now we know.
      • Finally some good scenes with Mary Margaret and David. These are generally boring and don't give good scenes. This episode proved me wrong.
      • The Black Fairy is amazing. I love her character.
      • Rumple is finally going on the right path after being in the dark circle for waaaaay too long.
      • Some very clever and emotional moments.

      Negatives

      • Tiger Lily was disappointing. I mean, her character was OK in this episode, but I feel like she's forced into the story by making her a former fairy and I feel we won't see her again.
      • ...why did the Shadow help Hook? Am I missing something?
      • And now we are at my biggest complain: how they broke the sleeping curse. I mean, it's original I guess, but what really bugs me is that it felt kinda too easy to do and there's apparently no drawback to what they did. And...that was kinda random. Why hasn't anyone figured that earlier? Why did Regina and Zelena had to create a potion that made it worse which was way too complicated compared to...this.

      Overall, good episode.

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    • Great episode! They mentioned a lot things, like Pixie dust, the name "Emma", BF's wand, Shadows etc. But seriously, I still can't believe Emma chose Hook over her parents. Not that I'm shocked, but I think it is really the proof that that one handed pirate is the only one she cares. How the hell did she get like this? I wish they'll bring our old Emma Swan.

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    • I thought they were going to explain how the Once Upon a Time book ended up with Mary Margaret - missed oppurtunity

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Great episode! They mentioned a lot things, like Pixie dust, the name "Emma", BF's wand, Shadows etc. But seriously, I still can't believe Emma chose Hook over her parents. Not that I'm shocked, but I think it is really the proof that that one handed pirate is the only one she cares. How the hell did she get like this? I wish they'll bring our old Emma Swan.

      I'm no fan of Hook and Emma, but it's clear that Snow told Emma to save Hook, just as Ruth told Snow to free herself of infertility over Ruth's own life.

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    • CadoDoan wrote: Great episode! They mentioned a lot things, like Pixie dust, the name "Emma", BF's wand, Shadows etc. But seriously, I still can't believe Emma chose Hook over her parents. Not that I'm shocked, but I think it is really the proof that that one handed pirate is the only one she cares. How the hell did she get like this? I wish they'll bring our old Emma Swan.

      Agree. I miss badass Emma so much. Now she's just a selfish woman who identifies her happiness with Hook. Such a shame.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Balance (.5 of 1)

      - Where as Adam and Eddy balance extremes and Jane and Jerome use muted elements of both, Andrew and Leah seemed to try to establish a muted effect that unfortunately falls flat. 

      Could you explain that? I love how you dig into the writing styles of each writer but it's a little hard to understand "muted elements or both", and "muted effect". And what do you think of David H. Goodman's writing? I consider him the best writer we've got

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    • Wicked Wizard of the West wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Balance (.5 of 1)

      - Where as Adam and Eddy balance extremes and Jane and Jerome use muted elements of both, Andrew and Leah seemed to try to establish a muted effect that unfortunately falls flat. 

      Could you explain that? I love how you dig into the writing styles of each writer but it's a little hard to understand "muted elements or both", and "muted effect". And what do you think of David H. Goodman's writing? I consider him the best writer we've got

      I go by episode as writing is like any thing: it fluctuates.

      Adam and Eddy balance their episodes with obvious humor and a little over the top darkness. Jane and Jerome tend to use muted versions, which simply means that they don't hit you over the head with the humor and campy villainy. Example, Adam and Eddy episodes brought the whole "Captain Guyliner" line...which they have used twice so far. 

      In this episode, Andrew and Leah seemed to be less "Looky here, it's funny!", but I don't think it really came across effectively. Same with angst. Example: The dialogue from the Lost Boys was borderline basic. "Get the pirate. Make him pay. Where did Tiger Lily go?" We've lost her (after two seconds of looking nowhere.) It also has to be paced adequately. It was more like everything was just going through the motions to hit the plot points.

      But as I said it depends on the episode. Jane did 6x15 which had more obvious humor which was a bit much.

      And lastly, I think Once succeeds when it uses both humor and dark tones in balance. The cheesy episodes are pretty off-putting as much as the dark, dark, dark angsty episodes. It then ties the season better together. If you really look, sometimes the episode's writing tells you, "I was just given some bullet points and am writing this episode in a vacuum".

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    • I know Tiger Lily seems a lot like Tinker Bell, but I spotted a few differences between the two.

      1. Tinker Bell lost her wings because she broke the fairy rules. She was forced to give them up. While Tiger Lily implied that she gave them up, probably because she felt somehow responsible for what happened to the Black Fairy. Also, Tinker Bell doesn't feel responsible for what happened to Regina, but thought that she could help her. 2. Tink was helping a human soul. In the case of Tiger Lily, I don't think she was in charge of looking over the Black Fairy, that's pretty much Blue's job, to look all over the other fairies. What I think is that, Tiger Lily was a close friend of the Black Fairy and she felt that she failed to her as a friend and she felt so wrong about it that she gave up her fairy lifestyle.

      As for why both of them ended up in Neverland, I think it's just because they are part of Peter Pan story in the original fairytale so the writers probably thought it was cool to put them there even tho they aren't very much related to Pan in the show.

      I also have another theory. I think fairies don't age because of the magic of their wings and fairy dust, but since these two were no longer fairies, maybe they wanted to go to a place where they didn't have to age.

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    • Croquedead wrote:
      Positives*We finally got more explanation about what was up with David when the curse was cast. I mean, it was so random and we never knew why and how he got into hospital on the first place. Now we know.

      Negatives

      • ...why did the Shadow help Hook? Am I missing something?

      But... we've always known why David was in a coma. He was stabbed right before the curse was cast. 

      And, Pan's shadow was the evil one. Hook used his own shadow. Just like Rumple took out his shadow and commanded it to hide his dagger. 

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    • I didn't mind this episode. 

      I loved the Season 1 vibe in the flashback, and the continuation of the atmosphere we saw in Save Henry. I liked how they used Emma to wake Rumple, just like in Season 1.

      I liked how the people came together to help the Charmings. 

      BUT, I did feel like the momentum of the season 1 breaking of the curse was shattered. The moment Rumple meets Emma, the reunion of Snow White and Prince Charming... ah, good times. 

      It was an ok episode, not my favorite but not the worst. 

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    • I loved the episode. I don't think it was retconning at all. I love Esk's grade report, so I'll start my own.

      Characters
      Snowing was on point. Loved them both.
      Regina is being quite helpful to Snowing. She is truly redeemed. <3
      Gold and Belle have never been better. Particularly Gold.
      Hook doing everything he can to go back to Emma. Nothing new.
      Tiger Lily was meh, Tinker Bell 2.0 as many pointed out. I still give them credit for bringing her over.
      Emma was once again very selfish. Of course, her mother would insist on having her reunited with her fianceé, but actions say a lot more than words do. She followed her mother's words, instead of her actions. If she had followed the latter, she would have acted selflessly and tried to wake her parents (which doesn't even require much selflessness to begin with). However, as selfish as it was, it was not out of character.
      Plot
      Present Day Storybrooke
      Highest Darkness Records go to the first Dark Curse and its creator, the Black Fairy!! This also supports my theory about Neverland and the Black Fairy (I may post that soon), since pixie dust only grows in presence of the darkest of magic.
      Breaking the Sleeping Curse I'm glad the sleeping curse arc is over. I enjoyed it, but I'm glad Snowing is finally back together. Never thought I'd say that. I'm not so convinced about the solution Regina found at the last minute. I still think it should have had lasting consequences on them. If it was up to me, I would've had them both fall asleep permanently, with Regina's last minute solution being to somehow destroy the Netherworld torture rooms and Snowing finding their happing ending in the Dream World.
      Present Day Neverland Could've been more exciting if Tiger Lily actually led her tribe into battle against the Lost Boys both during her first appearance and the time when she helped Hook get to the magic tree. My headcanon is her tribe was murdered or something.
      Storybrooke Flashbacks Uh-mazing. I don't buy any of the retcon ranting about this one. Everything was consistent, and the Season One vibe was definitely there.
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    • This one was a tear jerker for me, seeing what Snowing gave up for the good of everyone and how much Charming wanted to go through that door really got me! It did feel a lot like season 1 to me, lots of good vibes although I missed Ruby there. Also glad that sleeping curse is over and was happy that the town stepped up for Snowing after what they have done for them. The CaptainSwan stuff was meh for me this episode although I did enjoy the reposal. Overall I enjoyed the episode it was a good set up for the final episodes of the season. This Final Battle will definetly be interesting!

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    • One of my fav episodes so far. I loved it. It was defo emotional and had me reaching for my tissues and I dont agree with the retcon complaints as it seemed to fi the established timeline quite well. I liked the pixie flower and that it is only grown in the presence of great evil. Just goes to show how evil the black fairy is. Regina created one to grow through the crack in concrete of a pavement she and rumple may have created a few in the forest during the dark curse that nobody ever noticed. so i think it works quite well.

      Loved the falshbacks in Storybrook, its nice that we have flashback in Storybrook, it sets a new tone for them and I always love Snowing and they delivered. When they finally see Emma through that door it was beautiful to see the pair and their sacrifice. 

      Tiger Lilly was a bit strange as it almost felt like the writers completely forgot about Tinkerbell's origin but as D.Prince pointed out there were a few differences between their stories, but it still seemed a little strange. I did think she may have been established as another savior, so this fairy thing kinda felt an odd explanation of her history as the one who could have stopped the BF turning evil. Two lost fairies in Neverland, no wings, no magic, both with lost souls they could have helped, both attempting to help Hook return home just seems weird. I mean did the two know each other in Neverland, did they share stories of how mean Blue Fairy was? But saying that I thought the actress playing Tigar Lilly did a great job and I guess it was nice that the character showed up. 

      Hook returning home was great, the Hook and Charming exchane was nice and i love the way the sleeping curse was cured. I loved the minimal time Zelena was onscreen, I loved the BF and Jamie Murrey's portryal was epic again. (I love this actress) 

      My only real issue was bloody Henry! OMG can we please just skip to season 7 and have an adult play Henry. No offence but Jared is useless. He reminds me too much of Daniel Radcliff in the HP films. Totally wooden. I know he is only a child actor and it may seem mean to insult his acting ability (if one could argue he has any to begin with) but I am so sick of hearing him say "Everything is going to be ok mom!" He said it twice this episode and that was all he said all epsiode and he said that with such woodeness it i just want to scream. I also know that I may feel differently if he was actually given a proper storyline and that a lot of fault may be with te writers themselves but given he did have a larger role in the the finale of season 5 he just did not deliver his material in anyway that could be considered acting. I mean the actress playing Violet did her role brilliantly especially in comparrison to Jared. 

      Anyway rant over, can not wait to see how the final battle plays out and I defo can not wait till the next episode. :) :) 

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    • D.Prince wrote:
      •Thoughts

      1. I'm glad that the town people did something for Snow and Charming. It's always them sacrificing for everyone else.
      2. Tiger Lily was a fairy? Did I hear correctly? XD
      3. I liked the return of neverland and the shadow! :-)
      4. Why does everyone get a hold of the dagger so easily? I remember when Rumple was clever enough to hide it someplace no one could find it. He must do it again, for everyone's sake.
      5. Why doesn't Rumple just kill the Black fairy? He has the power of all the dark ones.
      6. I liked when the black fairy said "I practically invented dark magic". Not forgetting that Nimue was the one of the first users of dark magic as well.
      7. I was hoping that Tiger Lily would have run into the door with Hook. That scene felt rush and was crazy. The lost boys were like "What the heck?" Lol
      8. I wonder if Tiger Lily ever met Tinker Bell.
      9. I'm also very intrigued by the wand that banished the black fairy.

      The BF didn't know where the Dagger was, and she got it anyway. It doesn't matter, I think, if Rumple hides it. And I can't recall the first time someone ever got the Dagger through their magic. Unless there is someone, no one has gotten the Dagger so easily.

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    • One of the worst episodes of the series. The worst, I think.

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    • Hera Pan wrote:
      One of the worst episodes of the series. The worst, I think.

      You want to expand on that? Because that literally adds nothing to the discussion.

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    • I think the flashback would have been better if instead of the popped-out-of-nowhere magical flower, they used the true love sapling created by Snowing in 6x07. 

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      I think the flashback would have been better if instead of the popped-out-of-nowhere magical flower, they used the true love sapling created by Snowing in 6x07. 

      It's a good set-up though as the DC is a ton of dark fairy dust, while the flower was pixie dust aka nuclear fairy dust.

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    • I actually enjoyed it.

      David actually calling Regina out on cursing them and not treating her as a separate entity from the Evil Queen? That's my boy!

      Emma looked so pretty.

      I'm guessing Hook and Tiger didn't have an overly terrible past since neither one were on their guard and they smiled at each other. I'd love to see her come back.

      I don't think the flower bit was overly bad compared to some others. Though it does beg two questions How did David know what the flower was from a blurry picture and Shouldn't these flowers have popped up all over the show?

      "I'm sorry father, but [your mother] is my mother" I know Gideon's being controlled and all but that's just weird. Especially for Rumple to hear.

      The flashbacks made me realise how I miss s1 Rumple.

      The Charming family bit was beautiful. David's face when he saw Emma was so amazing. And I may have cried a little. I've rewatched it 10 times.

      And I'm not really mad at Snow. I can get why she had to put her town first. It was a hard choice but Emma's happiness isn't worth the free will of thousands of innocent people. Also this was the first time Snow has acted like both a competent leader and Emma's mother in God knows how long!

      The Hook's shadow moment was amazing. And again, I may have cried a little when he caressed her cheek.

      Yay, CS true love validation! I mean we already knew they were TL but reminders are always nice.

      And that second CS proposal was stunning. Also "There's something I have to do before I get pushed into another portal" was brilliant.

      Awww Emma and Hook self asleep on top of each other (this is likey the only time I'll ever see them sleep together so I'm just going to stare at it.

      The way Emma said "Dad" was so cute.

      Now that the positive is out of the way:

      Look I love watching the Black Fairy, but bringing her in as the Big Bad literally six episodes before the season (and possibly the show) ends is bad writing. We know nothing about her motives, she's unsuccessfully gone after Emma, really the only main character she's actually hurt is Rumple, which honestly doesn't make her seem like an overly bad guy. What sets her apart from the likes of Regina, Rumple, Pan etc? It's incredibly vague.

      Also bringing up the Final Battle (side note: you could have a drinking game with this episode, take a shot each time they say "The Final Battle") six episodes before the end of the season is also bad writing. Both these thigns should have been introduced  at the start of the season, instead of the Split Quen arc.

      As a Captain Charming fan, that forgiveness scene was way too fast. David was on the floor in tears over his father's death. We needed a proper scene, not just 4 seconds.

      I only have one word for the 'sharing the curse'-"What?" And if you want three words "What the hell?" How did Regina get the same sleeping curse Snowing were under into a cup??? This makes no sense?

      Last episode, Regina said the EQ told her everything about the currse. Apparently she forgot to mention the failsafe

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Great episode! They mentioned a lot things, like Pixie dust, the name "Emma", BF's wand, Shadows etc. But seriously, I still can't believe Emma chose Hook over her parents. Not that I'm shocked, but I think it is really the proof that that one handed pirate is the only one she cares. How the hell did she get like this? I wish they'll bring our old Emma Swan.

      Snow told Emma to save Hook and Emma protested. Also, look at it this way: Snowing, while cursed, were still alive and had a chance at surviving. Hook was moments away from death and Emma knew it. If you're a surgeon and you see one person with a broken leg and the other in cardiac arrest, which one do you go for first?

      May I ask what is wrong with Hook having one hand? Or are you just unsubtly ableist?

      Honestly, I feel like Emma could just be standing there breathing and you'd start protesting about how she's taking up too much oxygen and other people need to use it too.

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    • Reginaandgold101 wrote:

      My only real issue was bloody Henry! OMG can we please just skip to season 7 and have an adult play Henry. No offence but Jared is useless. He reminds me too much of Daniel Radcliff in the HP films. Totally wooden. I know he is only a child actor and it may seem mean to insult his acting ability (if one could argue he has any to begin with) but I am so sick of hearing him say "Everything is going to be ok mom!" He said it twice this episode and that was all he said all epsiode and he said that with such woodeness it i just want to scream. I also know that I may feel differently if he was actually given a proper storyline and that a lot of fault may be with te writers themselves but given he did have a larger role in the the finale of season 5 he just did not deliver his material in anyway that could be considered acting. I mean the actress playing Violet did her role brilliantly especially in comparrison to Jared. 

      To be fair, it's not like he has the best writing to work with (I'm sorry but I feel the writing for Hnery hasn't been the best which I suspect could be influenced by Jared's outside life such as school)

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    • My only real issue was bloody Henry! OMG can we please just skip to season 7 and have an adult play Henry. No offence but Jared is useless. He reminds me too much of Daniel Radcliff in the HP films. Totally wooden. I know he is only a child actor and it may seem mean to insult his acting ability (if one could argue he has any to begin with) but I am so sick of hearing him say "Everything is going to be ok mom!" He said it twice this episode and that was all he said all epsiode and he said that with such woodeness it i just want to scream. I also know that I may feel differently if he was actually given a proper storyline and that a lot of fault may be with te writers themselves but given he did have a larger role in the the finale of season 5 he just did not deliver his material in anyway that could be considered acting. I mean the actress playing Violet did her role brilliantly especially in comparrison to Jared. 

      Dude!! spoiler alert or something please

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    • Lola987 wrote:

      My only real issue was bloody Henry! OMG can we please just skip to season 7 and have an adult play Henry. No offence but Jared is useless. He reminds me too much of Daniel Radcliff in the HP films. Totally wooden. I know he is only a child actor and it may seem mean to insult his acting ability (if one could argue he has any to begin with) but I am so sick of hearing him say "Everything is going to be ok mom!" He said it twice this episode and that was all he said all epsiode and he said that with such woodeness it i just want to scream. I also know that I may feel differently if he was actually given a proper storyline and that a lot of fault may be with te writers themselves but given he did have a larger role in the the finale of season 5 he just did not deliver his material in anyway that could be considered acting. I mean the actress playing Violet did her role brilliantly especially in comparrison to Jared. 

      Dude!! spoiler alert or something please

      Oh gosh sorry. I was talking with optimism though. Nothings been confirmed either way or whether we will even have a season 7. I was just talking about the meerest, tiniest, smallish, please god and take away this terrible actor hopful that the very vague rumours about him may be true. But I do appologize if you have not heard the rumours yourself but thats all they are, very very vague rumours. Sorry :( I will be more careful next time I post though. 

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    • There weren't any spoilers given. Wanting Henry to go away has always been a common theory. Nevertheless that has nothing to do with this episode, especially since he really didn't do anything.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      (...) I still can't believe Emma chose Hook over her parents. (...)

      HER OWN MOTHER ODER HER TO SAVE FUTURE SON-IN-LAW. DEAL WITH IT. And She knew to who they'll leave little Neal.

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    • Michu1945 wrote:

      CadoDoan wrote:
      Great episode! They mentioned a lot things, like Pixie dust, the name "Emma", BF's wand, Shadows etc. But seriously, I still can't believe Emma chose Hook over her parents. Not that I'm shocked, but I think it is really the proof that that one handed pirate is the only one she cares. How the hell did she get like this? I wish they'll bring our old Emma Swan.

      HER OWN MOTHER ODER HER TO SAVE FUTURE SON-IN-LAW. DEAL WITH IT. And She knew to who they'll leave little Neal.

      Please do not yell. All caps is implied to be yelling and an act of aggression, which isn't allowed.

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    • Michu1945 wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      (...) I still can't believe Emma chose Hook over her parents. (...)

      HER OWN MOTHER ODER HER TO SAVE FUTURE SON-IN-LAW. DEAL WITH IT. And She knew to who they'll leave little Neal.

      Snow would never have said: "Leave that pirate there and save us!". Of course she asked Emma to save him, but it was up to her to save her parents who gave up everything for her, but she didn't, confirming the involution the character is into right now (my opinion of course).

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      Michu1945 wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      (...) I still can't believe Emma chose Hook over her parents. (...)
      HER OWN MOTHER ODER HER TO SAVE FUTURE SON-IN-LAW. DEAL WITH IT. And She knew to who they'll leave little Neal.
      Snow would never have said: "Leave that pirate there and save us!". Of course she asked Emma to save him, but it was up to her to save her parents who gave up everything for her, but she didn't, confirming the involution the character is into right now (my opinion of course).

      I like to be fair to Emma. This was a mirror to when Ruth gave Snow the water over her own life. Snow could have either did as Ruth said (which she did) or save Ruth. Thus, the same was with Emma. 

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      AlbOuat wrote:
      Michu1945 wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      (...) I still can't believe Emma chose Hook over her parents. (...)
      HER OWN MOTHER ODER HER TO SAVE FUTURE SON-IN-LAW. DEAL WITH IT. And She knew to who they'll leave little Neal.
      Snow would never have said: "Leave that pirate there and save us!". Of course she asked Emma to save him, but it was up to her to save her parents who gave up everything for her, but she didn't, confirming the involution the character is into right now (my opinion of course).
      I like to be fair to Emma. This was a mirror to when Ruth gave Snow the water over her own life. Snow could have either did as Ruth said (which she did) or save Ruth. Thus, the same was with Emma. 

      Snow didn't save Ruth. Lancelot did.

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    • Hera Pan wrote:
      Eskaver wrote: I like to be fair to Emma. This was a mirror to when Ruth gave Snow the water over her own life. Snow could have either did as Ruth said (which she did) or save Ruth. Thus, the same was with Emma. 
      Snow didn't save Ruth. Lancelot did.

      You misunderstand what I said. Ruth had the option to save herself with the water. She gave it to Snow to un-curse herself.

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    • Of course Snow will say that Emma has to save Hook, not them. They are the ones who are unselfish, which we saw in the flashbacks. The choice was up to Emma. And she made her choice. She chose her boyfriend over her parents. To me, that's really a disgusting fact, even for Emma. And no, I don't have a problem with people with one hand. It was an in-show-joke, just like "Your questions are pointless". And again, no, I don't say things against Emma out of no reason. You may want to read your own post :)

      And to me, this is nothing like Ruth's death. Sha gave it to Snow and Snow didn't accept it. She sacrificed her own happiness for a woman she's just met. This is something that Emma will never know and understand.

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    • I wouldn't hold it too hard. The real question was why not ask Rumple for a flower, lol. (I wouldn't get angry at Emma for a plot-breaking flower)

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Of course Snow will say that Emma has to save Hook, not them. They are the ones who are unselfish, which we saw in the flashbacks. The choice was up to Emma. And she made her choice. She chose her boyfriend over her parents. To me, that's really a disgusting fact, even for Emma. And no, I don't have a problem with people with one hand. It was an in-show-joke, just like "Your questions are pointless". And again, no, I don't say things against Emma out of no reason. You may want to read your own post :)

      And to me, this is nothing like Ruth's death. Sha gave it to Snow and Snow didn't accept it. She sacrificed her own happiness for a woman she's just met. This is something that Emma will never know and understand.

      Hook was in more danger. He was about to die, Snowing were about to fall asleep and there was still a chance of waking them up.

      You used "one handed pirate" in a degrading manner. It's the same as using "gay" as an insult. Yes it's an in show joke, but it's ableist as hell and your comment implies Hook is bad or not worth saving because he is disabled.

      And yea, not like Emma, the same Emma who stabbed her true love in the stomach and held him as he died, who repeatadly gave up quiet moments with Hook and Henry, who sacrificed her own sanity in 4x23 to save Regina (the woman who ruined her life), and was willing to put her life on the line and die for her family, not like she would know anything about sacrifces.

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      Michu1945 wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      (...) I still can't believe Emma chose Hook over her parents. (...)
      HER OWN MOTHER ODER HER TO SAVE FUTURE SON-IN-LAW. DEAL WITH IT. And She knew to who they'll leave little Neal.
      Snow would never have said: "Leave that pirate there and save us!". Of course she asked Emma to save him, but it was up to her to save her parents who gave up everything for her, but she didn't, confirming the involution the character is into right now (my opinion of course).

      Snowing still had a chance at being saved, if she had waited any longer Hook would have died. It's not about who Emma loves more it's about prioritising who is in more danger. Going back to the emergnecy room analogy, do you help the guy with a broken limb or the guy having a heart attack first?

      It's not up to Emma to do anything.

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    • Michu1945 wrote:

      CadoDoan wrote:
      (...) I still can't believe Emma chose Hook over her parents. (...)

      HER OWN MOTHER ODER HER TO SAVE FUTURE SON-IN-LAW. DEAL WITH IT. And She knew to who they'll leave little Neal.

      Michu, please note that while you are more than welcome to share your opinion in our forum, users should refrain from using excessive caps. That is akin to shouting, and is against our rules. But other than that, discuss away :-)

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    • CadoDoan must have been watching completly other tv show becasue scene which I wrote about was in OUaT s06e17 "Awake".

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    • Michu1945 wrote: CadoDoan must have been watching completly other tv show becasue scene which I wrote about was in OUaT s06e17 "Awake".

      I must ask you to refrain from making that kind of comment. It is not considered polite. As I said, you are more welcome to share your opinion, but please be polite when you do so.

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    • Aine1989 wrote:
      AlbOuat wrote:
      Michu1945 wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      (...) I still can't believe Emma chose Hook over her parents. (...)
      HER OWN MOTHER ODER HER TO SAVE FUTURE SON-IN-LAW. DEAL WITH IT. And She knew to who they'll leave little Neal.
      Snow would never have said: "Leave that pirate there and save us!". Of course she asked Emma to save him, but it was up to her to save her parents who gave up everything for her, but she didn't, confirming the involution the character is into right now (my opinion of course).
      Snowing still had a chance at being saved, if she had waited any longer Hook would have died. It's not about who Emma loves more it's about prioritising who is in more danger. Going back to the emergnecy room analogy, do you help the guy with a broken limb or the guy having a heart attack first?

      It's not up to Emma to do anything.

      She didn't know Hook was dying though. She just received the shadow's message which only implied that he was in Neverland. 

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    • Exactly. All Emma knew is that Hook was in Neverland and that's all. She knew nothing about the attack of the Lost Boys or Hook was in danger. Plus, let's face it, there is Merlin's wand which the main group has it now, and there is even Emma's own magic which can open portals. She could save both of her parents and her beloved pirate without risking any of them (as I said, she didn't know Hook was in danger). But, she chose the easy way and let her parents die. Yes, I know I said "die" because it doesn't seem any different than sleeping forever. After she brought him, Hook didn't see her parents' condition but Emma did know it and yet, she accepted his proposal in front of her dying parents.

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    • As I still say, Emma did as her parents said. So, she simply honored that. (Plus, the flower was borken as they'd probably get another one.)

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    • The shadow brought her his hook and caressed her face, clearly a heartbroken goodbye implying death was near.

      Merlin's want broke in the s5 finale and Emma's magic cannot open portals. Where are you getting that from?

      And, as I have pointed out (twice now) Snowing were not dying!! They were asleep, which  I hope you know is not the same as actual death. They still had a chance at being saved.

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    • Aine1989 wrote: Merlin's want broke in the s5 finale and Emma's magic cannot open portals. Where are you getting that from?


      Sorry for the bad news but the wand was used twice in this season. 6x01 and 6x14 and we've seen it in 6x08.

      Emma's magic can open portals as we saw in the previous episode.

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    • (MOD) I'm requesting that the conversation ceases about Emma's decision with the pixie dust, since it appears the discussion cannot continue without misrepresentation of canon and minor aggression. It doesn't matter which character or story element you dis/like, a conversation with fallacious arguments and lack of respect isn't one to continue.

      Thank you for your cooperation. Feel free to continue discussion of other topics. If desired, said topic can be discussed on its own thread.

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    • Truth is not inherently polite or not. It is the way you express it what lacks respect.

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    • Killian Jones wrote: Truth is not inherently polite or not. It is the way you express it what lacks respect.

      Once again, truth is not polite. And "your comment was deleted" describe in most perfect way political cotrrection, lack of freedom of speech here and how fragile you [all] are. And - of course- you will be hurt - so you'll delete that to and give me ban for half a year.

      But I comming back to topic:
      Snow order Emma to save Killian. That's all. Neal would be raised by Emma with Hook and she with Charming would be sleeping, only a little longer than they expected. Thry were not dying, only sleep by curse. Facts, facts and facts.

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    • Michu1945 wrote:

      Killian Jones wrote: Truth is not inherently polite or not. It is the way you express it what lacks respect.

      Once again, truth is not polite. And "your comment was deleted" describe in most perfect way political cotrrection, lack of freedom of speech here and how fragile you [all] are. And - of course- you will be hurt - so you'll delete that to and give me ban for half a year.

      But I comming back to topic:
      Snow order Emma to save Killian. That's all. Neal would be raised by Emma with Hook and she with Charming would be sleeping, only a little longer than they expected. Thry were not dying, only sleep by curse. Facts, facts and facts.

      I removed the comment before KJ's comment went live. So, it's just a random event of improper timing.

      Nevertheless, I'm suggested that the issue about Emma's choice to not be discussed any futher (aka see MOD warning).

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Michu1945 wrote:

      Killian Jones wrote: Truth is not inherently polite or not. It is the way you express it what lacks respect.

      Once again, truth is not polite. And "your comment was deleted" describe in most perfect way political cotrrection, lack of freedom of speech here and how fragile you [all] are. And - of course- you will be hurt - so you'll delete that to and give me ban for half a year.

      But I comming back to topic:
      Snow order Emma to save Killian. That's all. Neal would be raised by Emma with Hook and she with Charming would be sleeping, only a little longer than they expected. Thry were not dying, only sleep by curse. Facts, facts and facts.

      I removed the comment before KJ's comment went live. So, it's just a random event of improper timing.

      Nevertheless, I'm suggested that the issue about Emma's choice to not be discussed any futher (aka see MOD warning).

      ok

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    • So, Tinker Bell and Tiger Lily lost their wings, but the black fairy kept them after her banishment. Did Blue forgot about that little detail?

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    • I thought this episode was okay. I wish they'd focused more on the BF/Gold family conflict, but what I saw was pretty good, too. Hook's proposal to Emma made me cry legitimate tears. I mean, IT'S ABOUT TIME! Not thrilled with Tiger Lily, though I can see some potential with her character. It's great that Snowing is finally back together---they're mostly the sweetness of the series as of late, and we could use some of their humor. So...kinda a meh episode, but still bearing a lot of sweet moments.

      The one thing that really struck me is that Emma's outfits are starting to get really tame, almost timid. I think someone said that the new look is supposed to symbolize Emma letting her walls down, but I think it's setting off the wrong vibe. This episode was a pretty solid example of this. "Putting her walls down," my foot---the Savior is not going to defeat the greatest evil in the universe dressed as a gosh-darn NUN.

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    • I know the show's characters are not known for being logical, but this occured to me. Rumpel gave Snow and Charming a door that could take them to their daughter. (Supposedly that door belonged to the apprentice, which Rumpel didn't know about until season 4, but that's beside the point.) Couldn't Rumpel have used the door to get to Bae? Especially considering where this fits in the timeline, Bae would have just escaped from Neverland and still be a teenager. Rumpel could leave Storybrooke and still get a chance to raise his son. It's not like Rumpel cares about what happens to anyone else.

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    • Begfhn wrote: I know the show's characters are not known for being logical, but this occured to me. Rumpel gave Snow and Charming a door that could take them to their daughter. (Supposedly that door belonged to the apprentice, which Rumpel didn't know about until season 4, but that's beside the point.) Couldn't Rumpel have used the door to get to Bae? Especially considering where this fits in the timeline, Bae would have just escaped from Neverland and still be a teenager. Rumpel could leave Storybrooke and still get a chance to raise his son. It's not like Rumpel cares about what happens to anyone else.

      Because Rumple wanted magic. He needed to wait for Emma to break the curse in order to bring magic to Storybrooke and then go out and find Baelfire while keeping his magic.

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    • Plus, Rumple didn't give them anything, just advice and a potion to be put back under the curse. Snow found the Pixie and listen to Rumple's advice of "It can blah, blah, blah" and it just so happened to make a in-world portal as the dust can do anything to reunite love or something.

      On another note, fairy magic/light magic doesn't mix with what he is (from Rumple's own words to Bae).

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    • Begfhn wrote:
      I know the show's characters are not known for being logical, but this occured to me. Rumpel gave Snow and Charming a door that could take them to their daughter. (Supposedly that door belonged to the apprentice, which Rumpel didn't know about until season 4, but that's beside the point.) Couldn't Rumpel have used the door to get to Bae? Especially considering where this fits in the timeline, Bae would have just escaped from Neverland and still be a teenager. Rumpel could leave Storybrooke and still get a chance to raise his son. It's not like Rumpel cares about what happens to anyone else.

      What Killian said, plus the flower reunited people who shared True Love, and I think Rumple pprobably knew he didn't have that with Baelfire anymore. 

      True Love wants to find each other. Baelfire didn't want to find Rumple. 

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    • Did anyone notice how Hook’s Shadow had his hook on the right hand while Hook has his on the left? -A.D.

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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