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  • Go forth with some finny fun and don't be such a wooden staff. 

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    • Is it just me or Ariel and Eric looked better in this episode?

      Ariel actress is truly beautiful but tonight she was just breathtaking

      And also Eric looked more handsome than before


      I didn't get the Jafar genie thing. So he wasn't truly a genie?

      Is it just me or Jasmine outfits look more indian than arabic?

      This Gideon thing is just.... been dragged too much. How is is supposed to be the main villain if he only appears like 2 minutes per episode.

      Now it seems TLK can break any spell, not just curses. 

      What was thing about the "savior" tears?

      Overall, I felt this episode like the Merida episode from season 5 (The Bear King) but slightly better because Hook (a main) was involved but still felt like detached from the main storyline. I don't know why I was supposed to care about Aladdin/Jasmine but I really didn't.

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    • @8Rob Jafar was a genie, he just needed to be broken out of the vase because his magic was strong enough to break the bondage of genie-hood I guess. 

      Agrabah being trapped in the ring was a curse, therefore TLK was breaking a curse. 

      The savior tear thing was weird. 

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    • Good episode. Liked how they tied in Wonderland stuff, and previous Ariel and Eric stuff. Liked how they named droped Scherenzade, they had a magic ring (like in the original Aladdin story), and how they did a little nod to Aesop's Fables as well. And nice set up for the next episode.

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    • My question- was Aesop ever a real person and Gideon was impersonating him, or did Gideon just make him up?

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    • •Thoughts

      1. Jasmine and Ariel team up was nice.

      2. I didn't understood what Gideon was saying to Emma.

      3. Agrabahs CGI was better in the spin-off

      4. So Ariel was not mute for 30 years, but Regina gave her voice back, but she also had that necklace..?? Plot hole?

      5. Drunk Snow was the best! :D

      6. I feel like Jasmine and Aladdins story fails to integrate properly to the main storyline just like the Merida episodes, but I feel like they can do more with that story. We still don't know much of Aladdins backstory.

      7. They left Jafar alone, they should have taken him somewhere safe where no one can set him free again.

      8. How did Jafar break the genie spell?

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    • Great episode, but I'm confused about a lot of things:

      Ariel had the ability to speak and walk on land before the curse? Where did she get the necklace?

      Why isn't Ariel living in a castle with Prince Eric?

      It's been determined that Jasmine and Jafar are in no way related (I hope). How did Jasmine's father come into power if Jafar's father was the sultan. Or is this a seperate sory from OUATIW.

      Why was Jafar immediately freed from his genie duties?

      When Jafar says he wants to get revenge on the people who trapped him, he is talking about Alice and Cyrus, right?

      I don't really remember OUATIW, but this seems to lack any continuity.

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    • I can answer all! Well, most.

      1. Jafar and Amara did a lot of research on genies. So, him knowing how to break the genie bonds aren't too far-fetched. I guess that's what he used to change bottles, lol. (I think we might have to imagine Jafar in Wonderland facing Will and Ana and he gets free, but Ana traps him in the genie bottle.)

      2.TLK can break practically anything. There's little difference between curse and spell.

      3. Ariel was from before the curse. She found a necklace that I guess was a curse removal (Mermaids are likely just cursed humans anyway). I think just lost her necklace and that's that.

      4. Tears are magical. That's why Rumple had a collection of Regina's tears. XD

      5. Jafar is from "Lower Agrabah" which his father is the provincial sultan. Jssmine's father is the sultan of sultans.

      6. JAfar was likely talking about Alice and co (unless Ana and Will did that in the imaginary season 2 of Wonderland).

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    • I'm also glad that they clarified that Jafar is from another region in Agrabah. Everything in this episode points out to the fact that everything that happened in Wonderland is canon.

      I still have my doubts of Jafar being free. In the spin-off there was only one way to break the genie curse, in fact, for Cyrus to be free Will had to take his place. So it is weird to me that no one had to take Jafar's place in the bottle. It's even more weird that Nyx didn't come after him for it.

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    • Begfhn wrote:

      Why isn't Ariel living in a castle with Prince Eric?

      Pretty sure, Ariel and Eric have been living on Hangman's Island, since Season 3.

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    • D.Prince wrote:
      I'm also glad that they clarified that Jafar is from another region in Agrabah. Everything in this episode points out to the fact that everything that happened in Wonderland is canon.

      I still have my doubts of Jafar being free. In the spin-off there was only one way to break the genie curse, in fact, for Cyrus to be free Will had to take his place. So it is weird to me that no one had to take Jafar's place in the bottle. It's even more weird that Nyx didn't come after him for it.

      Well, Jafar and Amara were sort of like genie experts. So, it's not farfetched to believe he could find a way. Nyx is limited by water, so chances are she doesn't care now because he's a staff. 

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    • A dull, pointless ep that made little sense IMo.

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    • JanzPotter wrote:
      My question- was Aesop ever a real person and Gideon was impersonating him, or did Gideon just make him up?

      Who knows. Either way it's a reference to the fables.

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    • Like several people, I'm confused on why Jafar was able to break free. I'm also upset at how Aladdin was freed, since not only did Alice and Cyrus kiss multiple times while Cyrus was still a genie to no avail, but Will and Ana actually had a curse-breaking True Love's Kiss while Will was a genie and he wasn't broken free.

      Overall, perfectly fine episode as long as you haven't watched Wonderland. It was a bit disconnected, but still fun.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      D.Prince wrote:
      I'm also glad that they clarified that Jafar is from another region in Agrabah. Everything in this episode points out to the fact that everything that happened in Wonderland is canon.

      I still have my doubts of Jafar being free. In the spin-off there was only one way to break the genie curse, in fact, for Cyrus to be free Will had to take his place. So it is weird to me that no one had to take Jafar's place in the bottle. It's even more weird that Nyx didn't come after him for it.

      Well, Jafar and Amara were sort of like genie experts. So, it's not farfetched to believe he could find a way. Nyx is limited by water, so chances are she doesn't care now because he's a staff. 

      But this is where it gets all plot-holey. If it was that easy to break the genie spell, why couldn't Alice and Cyrus or Will and Ana break it? Especially since anyone who saw the spinoff, witnessed the first kiss Will and Ana had, yet it didn't break the curse.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      D.Prince wrote:
      I'm also glad that they clarified that Jafar is from another region in Agrabah. Everything in this episode points out to the fact that everything that happened in Wonderland is canon.

      I still have my doubts of Jafar being free. In the spin-off there was only one way to break the genie curse, in fact, for Cyrus to be free Will had to take his place. So it is weird to me that no one had to take Jafar's place in the bottle. It's even more weird that Nyx didn't come after him for it.

      Well, Jafar and Amara were sort of like genie experts. So, it's not farfetched to believe he could find a way. Nyx is limited by water, so chances are she doesn't care now because he's a staff. 

      I guess you can justify his freedom with that, but don't forget that Nyx went after Amara's children and she didn't need any water. She just popped out of the floor haha.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Begfhn wrote:

      Why isn't Ariel living in a castle with Prince Eric?

      Pretty sure, Ariel and Eric have been living on Hangman's Island, since Season 3.


      Didn't Ariel say she lost Prince Eric in Poor Unfortunate Soul? Was that resolved? I might need to go back and watch.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      I can answer all! Well, most.

      3. Ariel was from before the curse. She found a necklace that I guess was a curse removal (Mermaids are likely just cursed humans anyway). I think just lost her necklace and that's that.

      But she had her voice 

      How come?



      They also used Henry's tears in 54 so it seems tears are indeed very powerful. It's a human fluid after all, like blood. And we know that "blood magic" is a thing here. So, it seems "tears magic" is also a thing

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    • Eric's "I was getting bored of regular girls" comment was hilarious. Regina is definitely different this episode. I'm not sure how to describe it, but I feel like she is more balanced after regaining some of her darkness from the EQ (Serum). Drunk Snow was adorable and badass. I wasn't really feeling the Jafar bits, and the fact he was powerful enough to break the genie curse on himself felt a bit too convenient, but I suppose it can be rationalized that there's never been such a powerful sorcerer who has become a genie before.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Like several people, I'm confused on why Jafar was able to break free. I'm also upset at how Aladdin was freed, since not only did Alice and Cyrus kiss multiple times while Cyrus was still a genie to no avail, but Will and Ana actually had a curse-breaking True Love's Kiss while Will was a genie and he wasn't broken free.

      Overall, perfectly fine episode as long as you haven't watched Wonderland. It was a bit disconnected, but still fun.

      Just don't think to hard about it. I'm a person who did a lot of work researching Once's magic stuff: it's all based on the plot, not much more. Nigh everything concerning genie's was changed but it isn't farfetched because not everything was the same. One of the bigger things is that Aladdin became a genie willingly unlike the rest.

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    • Begfhn wrote:
      Great episode, but I'm confused about a lot of things:

      Ariel had the ability to speak and walk on land before the curse? Where did she get the necklace?

      The necklace allowed her to have legs and her voice. We don't know where she got it from, maybe Ursula.

      Why isn't Ariel living in a castle with Prince Eric?

      They have been living on Hangman's Island since Season 3. Guess they like that better than Eric's palace.

      It's been determined that Jasmine and Jafar are in no way related (I hope). How did Jasmine's father come into power if Jafar's father was the sultan. Or is this a seperate sory from OUATIW.

      Jafar's father is a sultan of one city in the larger Agrabah region. Jasmine's father is sultan of the capital city (aka the city that rules over all the cities).

      Why was Jafar immediately freed from his genie duties?

      He broke out with his magic, I guess.

      When Jafar says he wants to get revenge on the people who trapped him, he is talking about Alice and Cyrus, right?

      I would assume Alice, Cyrus, Will, and Ana. Those were the main four that led to his downfall.

      I don't really remember OUATIW, but this seems to lack any continuity.

      It doesn't, it all fits.

      Answers in bold above.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      I can answer all! Well, most.

      3. Ariel was from before the curse. She found a necklace that I guess was a curse removal (Mermaids are likely just cursed humans anyway). I think just lost her necklace and that's that.

      But she had her voice 

      How come?

      Regina placed a spell on her. (Deity Usula I guess cursed the mermaids to be half fish), so the necklace got rid of both. When Ariel lost the necklace, she lost her legs and voice.

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    • Dan Fox wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      D.Prince wrote:
      I'm also glad that they clarified that Jafar is from another region in Agrabah. Everything in this episode points out to the fact that everything that happened in Wonderland is canon.

      I still have my doubts of Jafar being free. In the spin-off there was only one way to break the genie curse, in fact, for Cyrus to be free Will had to take his place. So it is weird to me that no one had to take Jafar's place in the bottle. It's even more weird that Nyx didn't come after him for it.

      Well, Jafar and Amara were sort of like genie experts. So, it's not farfetched to believe he could find a way. Nyx is limited by water, so chances are she doesn't care now because he's a staff. 
      But this is where it gets all plot-holey. If it was that easy to break the genie spell, why couldn't Alice and Cyrus or Will and Ana break it? Especially since anyone who saw the spinoff, witnessed the first kiss Will and Ana had, yet it didn't break the curse.

      The likely answer is in Jafar's case: He knew, but he wasn't trying to free Cyrus and his brothers. In Aladdin's case, he became a genie willingly and the lamp was unique because Aladdin was cursed by Nyx or along that line.

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    • Begfhn wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Begfhn wrote:

      Why isn't Ariel living in a castle with Prince Eric?

      Pretty sure, Ariel and Eric have been living on Hangman's Island, since Season 3.

      Didn't Ariel say she lost Prince Eric in Poor Unfortunate Soul? Was that resolved? I might need to go back and watch.


      In that episode, Ariel mentioned getting separated from Eric after she accidentally got swept up in Elsa's spell that was cast on Black Beard and the Jolly Roger. The spell trapped them in a bottle, which was Elsa's punishment on Black Beard for conspiring with Hans to hurt Anna and Kristoff. Ariel got out of the bottle after Ursula brought the bottled ship to Storybrooke and Hook used magic to make the ship big again.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      I can answer all! Well, most.

      3. Ariel was from before the curse. She found a necklace that I guess was a curse removal (Mermaids are likely just cursed humans anyway). I think just lost her necklace and that's that.

      But she had her voice 

      How come?

      Regina placed a spell on her. (Deity Usula I guess cursed the mermaids to be half fish), so the necklace got rid of both. When Ariel lost the necklace, she lost her legs and voice.  

      It wasn't a spell. Regina took her voice. She literally said "Your voice? I took it" in 3x06.

      But yeah, I guess that should work.

      But then again, this is another case of poor writing because we are left to assume a lot of things, that are not even explained in the episode. 

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    • I'm glad they're not pretending this time that the Wonderland series ever existed but they've cheapened Jafar to simply a fearsome foe to a laughably easy villain. Yes, villains can be outsmarted but given what he saw in the spinoff, Jafar was on fire. To me, it just seemed like they didn't know what to do once again and it was obvious.

      This episode does however get brownie points for:

      Ariel's return

      Not being as bad as I thought it would be, especially when it seemed like would be like *shudders* Dark Waters.

      Drunk Snow

      Karen's acting as Jasmine

      Regina's sass

      A non-cliché ending

      This actually went better than I expected. Still not the most exciting episode or relevant, but now it seems like they're ready to propel the plot again.

      I'd also like to point out that we can officially be done with the overhyped Aladdin storyline. It had so much oomph at the start but quickly fizzled off to the point of "Who cares?"

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    • I came put of that ep and my no. 1 reaction:

      What was that?!


      You had one job, writers! One! All you had to do was make it make sense, and you failed. You put Ariel in the wrong spot in the timeline, and really for what purpose? What was all that with Jafar? I'm so confused. I'll have to rewatch when it comes out on iTunes, which is sad because usually Once makes sense the first time around. Really, this ep was all over the place in my opinion. I mean, what was the point of trying to get kraken's blood if you were just gonna go change your mind in five minutes to go find an evil sorcerer who is quite probably more dangerous than a kraken? I mean, krakens don't seal entire kingdoms inside gems, do they? I have many more complaints as well. The only non- confuzzling part of this ep was Emma's girls night out, and drunk Snow was pretty great, even though the savior tears thing is weird.


      Overall, ???/10 cuz I have to rewatch. But -2.5 points for needing to rewatch in the first place.

      One job! And you failed! I'd better have this made up to me in the near future, writers!

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      I can answer all! Well, most.

      3. Ariel was from before the curse. She found a necklace that I guess was a curse removal (Mermaids are likely just cursed humans anyway). I think just lost her necklace and that's that.

      But she had her voice 

      How come?

      Regina placed a spell on her. (Deity Usula I guess cursed the mermaids to be half fish), so the necklace got rid of both. When Ariel lost the necklace, she lost her legs and voice.  
      It wasn't a spell. Regina took her voice. She literally said "Your voice? I took it" in 3x06.

      But yeah, I guess that should work.

      But then again, this is another case of poor writing because we are left to assume a lot of things, that are not even explained in the episode. 

      Umm, it's magic. Unless you think Regina physcially ripped out her vocal chords. It's not poor writing. It's simply applying a systematic process.

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    • I have a very good memory of this show, even all the tiny details, and I can confirm that everything fits, both with Ariel and Jafar, with all the timelines, including the Wonderland episodes. I hate when people blame the writers, when it's really the end user who is misremembering things. And I'm not above calling the writers out when they do make mistakes, but there was none in this episode. Before pointing blame, why don't you ask for clarification, and I (and others) will be more than happy to answer.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I have a very good memory of this show, even all the tiny details, and I can confirm that everything fits, both with Ariel and Jafar, with all the timelines, including the Wonderland episodes. I hate when people blame the writers, when it's really the end user who is misremembering things. And I'm not above calling the writers out when they do make mistakes, but there was none in this episode.

      There's only two things. The wrap up was a  little too easy and not enough Jafar. I'm kidding, but Jafar was pretty funny. He was totally done with life (but given the timeline, he just lost everything he has ever worked for).

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I have a very good memory of this show, even all the tiny details, and I can confirm that everything fits, both with Ariel and Jafar, with all the timelines, including the Wonderland episodes. I hate when people blame the writers, when it's really the end user who is misremembering things. And I'm not above calling the writers out when they do make mistakes, but there was none in this episode.

      There's only two things. The wrap up was a  little too easy and not enough Jafar. I'm kidding, but Jafar was pretty funny. He was totally done with life (but given the timeline, he just lost everything he has ever worked for).

      Don't forget the true love's kiss fix.

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    • Dan Fox wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I have a very good memory of this show, even all the tiny details, and I can confirm that everything fits, both with Ariel and Jafar, with all the timelines, including the Wonderland episodes. I hate when people blame the writers, when it's really the end user who is misremembering things. And I'm not above calling the writers out when they do make mistakes, but there was none in this episode.
      There's only two things. The wrap up was a  little too easy and not enough Jafar. I'm kidding, but Jafar was pretty funny. He was totally done with life (but given the timeline, he just lost everything he has ever worked for).

      Don't forget the true love's kiss fix.

      That's what I meant by wrap up. TLK just ripped through every spell, I'm shocked that Jafar wasn't secretly freed. XD

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    • I'm getting a bit frustrated with how the world of Once used to be so detailed, even if they threw in only one line of explanation it still all made sense to me. I guess in recent episodes I haven't been feeling that detail so much, even though I'm constantly rewatching old scenes this ep still didn't make sense. I will admit that I haven't watched OUATIW, so it may be all my fault, but I tend to gauge the show emotionally. And lately I haven't been getting good emotions from it. So I'm sad and frustrated. I admit, I might have misremembered something, I'm human and I'm not perfect, but that doesn't change that I as someone who's watched every episode at least twice was confused here and I'm not happy about it. This is a case of me watching something I love and not loving it, which is sad and frustrating, ya know? So if I have misremembered something and unfairly judged the writers on the technical timeline aspects of the ep I'm sorry. But that doesn't change that I feel the show is losing some attention to detail in a lot of other areas, and I'm more than a bit upset. Like I said, I'm not perfect and this probably isn't all the writers fault, but I didn't enjoy this ep as much as I hoped.

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    • On another note, I love the heroes' morality. (sarcasm)

      I was surprised that Gideon actually wants to work with Emma to defeat the Black Fairy, but guys.....Emma is refusing to stop a torturous evil lady because "angst", I guess. If Gideon rethinks his plan on stealing her powers, I can't blame him. (And that Blue's pseudo-sacrifice was in vain XD)

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    • VulonNight wrote:
      I'm getting a bit frustrated with how the world of Once used to be so detailed, even if they threw in only one line of explanation it still all made sense to me. I guess in recent episodes I haven't been feeling that detail so much, even though I'm constantly rewatching old scenes this ep still didn't make sense. I will admit that I haven't watched OUATIW, so it may be all my fault, but I tend to gauge the show emotionally. And lately I haven't been getting good emotions from it. So I'm sad and frustrated. I admit, I might have misremembered something, I'm human and I'm not perfect, but that doesn't change that I as someone who's watched every episode at least twice was confused here and I'm not happy about it. This is a case of me watching something I love and not loving it, which is sad and frustrating, ya know? So if I have misremembered something and unfairly judged the writers on the technical timeline aspects of the ep I'm sorry. But that doesn't change that I feel the show is losing some attention to detail in a lot of other areas, and I'm more than a bit upset. Like I said, I'm not perfect and this probably isn't all the writers fault, but I didn't enjoy this ep as much as I hoped.

      That's fair enough. Also, if you haven't seen Wonderland, all the stuff Jafar said won't really make sense.

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    • "Son of a fish".... seriously, Ariel has some great lines.

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    • Tomorrow I'll write an extended opinion, but I'm kinda disappointed with this episode.

      This episode was so so so random and I think I see some plot holes.

      How and where and when did Ariel get the magic necklace? How and where and when did Ariel lost the magic necklace?

      If Agrabah was inside the diamond, how Jafar went to that man who had Cyrus' bottle (the one that sent him to Wonderland). Because that happened 1 year before the curse AT MOST. And this, that's just after the 3x06, that is 3.5 or 4 years BEFORE the curse.

      Where the hell was Eric? Did they let him alone in Hangman Island? O.O

      How the hell Jafar stopped being a genie? He was indebted to the well! I can't believe the excuse of his powerful magic.

      And that true love kiss that released Aladdin... Cyrus and Alice were true love too and that never happened...

      And Liam 2... His growth didn't make sense, but I though "well, at least now we're gonna see Hook and his brother". Nope. They totally killed that storyline. Bye Liam.

      And the oracle?

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    • Hera Pan wrote:

      Where the hell was Eric? Did they let him alone in Hangman Island? O.O

      Ariel said, that Eric was visiting friends off the island. 

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    • I have a question

      If Agrabah was inside the ring, then why did the wish took them to the EF in the first place? The wish only needed to bring the ring and that's it. 

      And also, I think Jasmine said "take us to Agrabah" in 6x10. They should have appeared inside the ring, right?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Hera Pan wrote:

      Where the hell was Eric? Did they let him alone in Hangman Island? O.O

      Ariel said, that Eric was visiting friends off the island. 

      Oh, thanks ^^ One less hahaha.

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    • I think the questions are really simply explained.

      1. Ariel getting a magic necklace is not important. This is a girl that steals stuff and in a world filled with magical items. It's not crazy to think she simply got a necklace from a nice old wizard. Using this as a flaw is really unreasonable. It's like asking where did Jafar get sparkly dirt from. It's a minor detail that doesn't need to be explained in depth.

      2. Jafar's timeline is pretty easy. Jafar lost Cyrus. While he put that on hold finding a way to Wonderland, he terrorized Agrabah for other genies or whatever, and ran into Aladdin and Jasmine and we know the story from there. All this happened shortly (like a year or so) before the curse. Jafar then popped up in Wonderland, teamed up with Ana and the rest is history. 

      Timelining it with Snow is only weird because we have a lot of stuff in an undeterminable amount of time. Remember that 3x06: Eric just left on a slow journey to Agrabah, while Ariel made a deal for the necklace (or something). 

      A lot of the questions are nitpicks, more than big things (except TLK blasting across every spell in that one square yard.)

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I have a question

      If Agrabah was inside the ring, then why did the wish took to the EF in the first place? The wish only needed to bring the ring and that's it. 

      And also, I think Jasmine said "take us to Agrabah". They should have appeared inside the ring, right?

      Aladdin's wishes are just wonky. I think they shouldn't have got that lamp from that old lady's yard sale. I'm pretty sure they can't enter that ring because Aladdin can't be frozen along with the city because I guess his magic was cautious XD.

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    • D.Prince wrote:

      6. I feel like Jasmine and Aladdins story fails to integrate properly to the main storyline just like the Merida episodes, but I feel like they can do more with that story. We still don't know much of Aladdins backstory.

      It is more Jasmine's storyline, that does not connect well, with the main plot. Aladdin's on the other hand, is what kickstarted Emma's season-long arc. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      D.Prince wrote:

      6. I feel like Jasmine and Aladdins story fails to integrate properly to the main storyline just like the Merida episodes, but I feel like they can do more with that story. We still don't know much of Aladdins backstory.

      It is more Jasmine's storyline, that does not connect well, with the main plot. Aladdin's on the other hand, is what kickstarted Emma's season-long arc. 

      It's more like both. Aladdin's storyline really didn't resolve itself. Jasmine's did but it was pretty tangential to everything else.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      2. Jafar's timeline is pretty easy. Jafar lost Cyrus. While he put that on hold finding a way to Wonderland, he terrorized Agrabah for other genies or whatever, and ran into Aladdin and Jasmine and we know the story from there. All this happened shortly (like a year or so) before the curse. Jafar then popped up in Wonderland, teamed up with Ana and the rest is history. 

      Timelining it with Snow is only weird because we have a lot of stuff in an undeterminable amount of time. Remember that 3x06: Eric just left on a slow journey to Agrabah, while Ariel made a deal for the necklace (or something). 

      Well, I think I can accept this explanation. Thanks.

      But I'm really mad for the necklace thing. Ariel should had lost it (because she hadn't her voice in Neverland) and then... She found it again? Because she wear it in Hangman Island.


      And yeah, Agrabah/ Jamine's storyline don't have much cohesion.

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    • Hera Pan wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      2. Jafar's timeline is pretty easy. Jafar lost Cyrus. While he put that on hold finding a way to Wonderland, he terrorized Agrabah for other genies or whatever, and ran into Aladdin and Jasmine and we know the story from there. All this happened shortly (like a year or so) before the curse. Jafar then popped up in Wonderland, teamed up with Ana and the rest is history. 

      Timelining it with Snow is only weird because we have a lot of stuff in an undeterminable amount of time. Remember that 3x06: Eric just left on a slow journey to Agrabah, while Ariel made a deal for the necklace (or something). 

      Well, I think I can accept this explanation. Thanks.

      But I'm really mad for the necklace thing. Ariel should had lost it (because she hadn't her voice in Neverland) and then... She found it again? Because she wear it in Hangman Island.


      And yeah, Agrabah/ Jamine's storyline don't have much cohesion.

      Yeah, just go with she found the necklace or something. Or a goof but it's a minor thing. She currently would only need the necklace for legs. (She probably tossed that large clunky bracelet away in some chest).

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Aladdin's storyline really didn't resolve itself. 

      Which actually makes me wonder, if Aladdin is going to reappear later on.

      Though, one could argue that by helping restore Agrabah, Aladdin's storyline did resolve itself. His greatest regret was abandoning Jasmine, and failing as the Savior.

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    • For those questioning why Aladdin managed to free himself from being a genie with TLK but Cyrus couldn't, there may be an explanation. Not canon, only my own thought: Cyrus and his brothers were cursed into being genies, so the only way to free themselves were to return the waters or have someone else take their place (like how Will accidentally took Cyrus') whereas Aladdin voluntarily assume the role of a genie. Aladdin was not cursed, so maybe that's why he was able to free himself with TLK and why Cyrus couldn't.

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    • Naveen97Ruben wrote:
      For those questioning why Aladdin managed to free himself from being a genie with TLK but Cyrus couldn't, there may be an explanation.

      Not canon, only my own thought: Cyrus and his brothers were cursed into being genies, so the only way to free themselves were to return the waters or have someone else take their place (like how Will accidentally took Cyrus') whereas Aladdin voluntarily assume the role of a genie. Aladdin was not cursed, so maybe that's why he was able to free himself with TLK and why Cyrus couldn't.

      Probably the best explanation, although it seems a little backwards since TLK is supposed to break any curse and doesn't work if the afflicted has the curse willingly...

      (throws a rulebook out the window)

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      (throws a rulebook out the window)

      Since, when has OUaT ever had a rulebook?

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    • Naveen97Ruben wrote:
      For those questioning why Aladdin managed to free himself from being a genie with TLK but Cyrus couldn't, there may be an explanation.

      Not canon, only my own thought: Cyrus and his brothers were cursed into being genies, so the only way to free themselves were to return the waters or have someone else take their place (like how Will accidentally took Cyrus') whereas Aladdin voluntarily assume the role of a genie. Aladdin was not cursed, so maybe that's why he was able to free himself with TLK and why Cyrus couldn't.

      You're making a good point.

      But how Jafar has ceased to be a genie... That has no explanation, however much the writers say he is a very powerful magician. He was cursed too, he has a debt to pay with the well of wonders.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      Naveen97Ruben wrote:
      For those questioning why Aladdin managed to free himself from being a genie with TLK but Cyrus couldn't, there may be an explanation.

      Not canon, only my own thought: Cyrus and his brothers were cursed into being genies, so the only way to free themselves were to return the waters or have someone else take their place (like how Will accidentally took Cyrus') whereas Aladdin voluntarily assume the role of a genie. Aladdin was not cursed, so maybe that's why he was able to free himself with TLK and why Cyrus couldn't.

      Probably the best explanation, although it seems a little backwards since TLK is supposed to break any curse and doesn't work if the afflicted has the curse willingly...

      (throws a rulebook out the window)

      True, TLK is meant break any curse, but maybe considering Nyx is powerful, her curse is not revisable by any means but returning the water. Jafar had a similar case, but it OUaTiW, it had been shown how powerful he is (where he managed to change the laws of magic with Amara) and the amount of time he had been learning magic, so freeing himself form being a genie may have been a piece of cake. Again, my thoughts and not canon

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    • Hera Pan wrote:

      But how Jafar has ceased to be a genius... 

      Jafar was still a genie, he just became a free genie.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Hera Pan wrote:

      But how Jafar has ceased to be a genius... 

      Jafar was still a genie, he just became a free genie.

      Well, you know what I mean, how he just freed himself.

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    • I liked this episode a lot. I like Aladdin and Jasmine and was excited to see them return. Having Ariel on screen is always fun and I enjoyed her interactions with the group. I do wish the focus was more on getting Killian to Storybrooke than on getting Agrabah back, but it is called a Wondrous Place so I'm not that surprised. I thought the flashback was good, but wished that we could have seen the real Eric. I thought drunk Snow was really funny and I was not surprised when the bartender turned out to be Gideon. Speaking of Gideon, he now wants Emma to kill the Black Fairy, which is better than trying to kill her. I wish they would have meant more time on Emma and have her come to the realization that Killian didn't leave her instead of Killian telling her through the shell, though.

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    • Emillian Swanones wrote:
      I thought the flashback was good, but wished that we could have seen the real Eric. 

      Fake!Prince Eric has way more personality....

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:

      (throws a rulebook out the window)

      Since, when has OUaT ever had a rulebook?

      Oh, that was a soccer rulebook. I couldn't find any Once rulebooks to throw. 

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    • Is Wonderland still canon?

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:

      (throws a rulebook out the window)

      Since, when has OUaT ever had a rulebook?
      Oh, that was a soccer rulebook. I couldn't find any Once rulebooks to throw. 

      Lol.... good one!

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    • This is one of those uncommon but more-common-than-they-should-be episodes where you just have to suspend your disbelief, because once you do that, everything seems pretty consistent. At least in Once's wonky logic.

      The problem is, Once makes absolute perfect sense​, when it deals with the timeline of its regular characters (bar that stunt with Hook in Dark Waters, and sometimes, the Oz flashbacks). When you're talking about the minor characters who have made sporadic appearances on the show, we need to remember that between their appearances, years have passed. So it takes a bit more mental workouts to make sense of it. It's not unreasonable to believe that Ariel found, lost, and found again a necklace that could uncurse her. Ariel's storyline was the least problematic part of the episode overall.

      What I'm really upset about is Jafar simply ​breaking ​the Genie curse. That can still be rationalized, but it really didn't make much sense? If he could get out of it at any point, then there was no reason for him to be so distraught with his fate.

      As for True Love breaking Aladdin's genie curse, and not Will's or Cyrus', well, not every kiss by a True Love couple is a True Love's kiss, cue Rumbelle's multiple kisses, Snowing's kisses during the curse, that time David kissed Snow's head without waking her, and (​I begrudginly admit​that for show purposes they seem to be TL) the CS kiss in 5x02. Jasladdin's kiss was a TLK, whereas Will/Anastasia's and Alice/Cyrus' weren't. (I might need to brush up on my OUATiW, so don't judge me if I'm mistaken).

      On another note, can we ​please ​create the Mermaid Magic page now that it's been mentioned explicitly in the show?

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Is Wonderland still canon?

      I think so since Jafar was a genie

      But there are some weird things. Did Jafar use the red powder to turn Amara into a staff? And that staff didn't look like the ones in this ep.

      Also, it seemed that Jafar was more porwerful than the genie magic since he freed himself from it, which doesn't explain why he needed the genie magic in Wonderland

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Is Wonderland still canon?

      I wasn't sure of it until this episode. 6x15 has settled Wonderland squarely within canon territory, what with Jafar being a genie and mentioning his enemies.

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    • Not every kiss is TLK. 

      It would be very annoying if every time you kiss your S.O. it generates a magical wave around you. 

      Can you image if you are having sex? Magical waves would come out of your house all night. Everyone would know you are doing it!

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    • 8Rob wrote: Not every kiss is TLK. 

      It would be very annoying if every time you kiss your S.O. it generates a magical wave around you. 

      Can you image if you are having sex? Magical waves would come out of your house all night. Everyone would know you are doing it!

      Laughing so hard right now...

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    • DracoWombat wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      Is Wonderland still canon?
      I wasn't sure of it until this episode. 6x15 has settled Wonderland squarely within canon territory, what with Jafar being a genie and mentioning his enemies.

      Plus, Jafar mentions how he is a bastard child from Lower Agrabah, staying true to canon that he is the illegitimate son of a Sultan from another province in Agrabah. 

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    • I remembered the promo pic of Ariel with the lamp, but after some weird discontinuity we've had in more recent times, I wasn't getting my hopes up for it actually being Jafar's. But color me pleasantly shocked when I realized that was where the episode was headed.

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    • What the hell did I just watch? O_o

      Well I support the show all the way, and even use the Rumple meme to laugh away the silliness sometimes, but seriously, this is... the new low of timeline breaking, plot holes, character assasination the show ever gets. The twists and the defeating-the-villain scene are too simple, wayyy cheapen the character of Jafar, and most importantly, the story makes no sense LOL.

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    • Some major dislike for this episode I take it?

      I can kinda see why though. The way Ariel was reintroduced with her legs and voice may be confusing for some, same with Jafar breaking his genie curse and with some timeline inconsistencies but as others have mentioned these things can be explained away. 

      For me my loves for the episode came from Ariel, Prince Eric, Jasmine, Aladdin and drunken Snow! All were brilliant. Acting was great, costumes were good, Snow beating Vikings at darts was hilarious. I also loved Aesops Tables and "Aesop", I also liked the names of the drinks! Agrabah looked great, Im liking this new Regina and OUATiW is defo cannon. (as it should be as it was an amazing series).

      What I disliked about the episode was Hook, Captain Nemo, Jafar, Henry, Emma and Gideon. Hated the fact they were stuck in the Nautilus and could return home because they lacked Krakken Blood or ink or whatever they needed. Captain nemo says they have run out and when Hook replied lets catch a Krakken he says dont be silly i have spent my life running from these creatures! What? If thats so how did you get the Krakken's blood or whatever in the first place. The realise the nautilus is sinking so when they reach Hangmans Island they decide to seek safety on the ship? What? Are you idiots?

      Hook they decides to kill a Krakken but when Aladdin and Jasmine turn up he forgets that idea and decides I know who will help me return to Storybrook a evil sorcerer whom he somehow knows can travel between realms and he believes he can "talk him into helping". What? God you're foolish!

      Jafar just seems really easy to defeat. Some "all powerful" genie he turned out to be. His strange motivation for destroying Agrabah seemed really stupid and apparently he only trapped the capital of Agrabah in the ring so how come when the wish was granted they were not taken to the land where Agrabah was and into one of the remaining cities of Agrabah?

      Henry was pointless sorry mate but all you ever seem to do is listen to music and just sit there looking depressed ALL THE TIME!

      Emma was all like well if Leroy spotted Hook on the docks going onto the nautilus well thats that then hes gone forever. She just completly gives up on the man who had just proposed to you. Yes he killed Davids dad and he was not sure he was going to tell David but everything else that Hook has done for Emma and the Charming family over the past three years means nothing to her. Yet as soon as the message from "convient mermaid magic shell" she burst into tears and forgives him completly and is all like I love you! Seriously? Inconsistant much. Both reactions are at the furthest part of the spectrum which seems really strange.

      Oh and Gideon? What was that? Yes the tear thing did not borther me so much, blood magic and all that exists so why not but are you keeping that for blackmail, or to use to create some curse? Seems odd. But the bigger problem was I did not see the point of him. Hes our big bad but has he been? He has not really done anything yet, I am hoping he will do something and for once is it possible to get a major villian who does not get redemption later? 

      I know it seems like I have a lot of hate for the episode too but I dont. I actually really enjoyed it on the whole, a filler episode but not the worst we have had but not the best, more middle of the road. I give it 7/10. Some really great moments. 

      I do have a question though, well a few actually. How long before the 1st curse was Prince Eric in Agrabah? I mean was it close to the curse being cast? Is it likely he travelled out of Agrabah before the curse? And where was Aladdin when the curse was cast? Was he still in Agrabah? I assumed the curse did not reach Agrabah at all but I could be wrong. 

      Cant wait for the next episode :)

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    • In "Street Rats" Aladdin told Jasmine that he went to the Enchanted Forest, so the dark curse took him to Storybrooke.

      Eric left to Agrabah at the end of "Ariel", which is around 3.5 years before the curse at most. How much time takes to go to Agrabah from his kingdom? Who knows, but he returned to the Enchanted Forest at some point, because the curse took him too.

      But I think that they forgot the scene we saw in "The Savior". When anyone sent an emissary to warn Aladdin that Agrabah was in danger if Agrabah already has disappeared? When the oracle and Jasmine went to the Land of the Untold Stories? Because the oracle still had the wound on her cheek thirty years later. And, my question still the same: when Jafar went to visit that man that had Cyrus' bottle and that sent him to Wonderland? Because he had the carpet that, I think, he took from Jasmine in this episode. The ring had all Agrabah or only the capital? If was only the capital, then all of this would be resolved.

      And I have a question: Jafar's father's press release says that he was imprisoned by Jafar 10 years ago. Is that canon?

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    • Eric left on a caravan. So, he likely made many pitstops along the way. When it's likley his first time teraveling the world, you don't rush through it. It took long enough that Ariel was able to walk on land and find a magic person that gave her that necklace that dispels magic used on her.

      The Savior scene is right before the flashback as Jafar mentions seeing him broken, etc. Jafar was terrorizing the easter parts of Agrabah. This whole story is likely after Cyrus disappeared as Alice and Cyrus spent months together before Jafar went to Wonderland.

      So, timeline sort of goes like this:

      1. Jafar imprisons the Sultan. (roughly ten years before the curse) Terrorize the Province of Lower Agrabah, looking for genies.

      1a.Searches for Cyrus and Cyrus gets away. 

      2. Jafar as the ruler of Lower Agrabah becomes (with some magic) the Royal Vizier. Street Rats stuff happens.

      3. The Savior stuff happens.

      4. A Wonderful place stuff happens.

      1a-4 happens over the course of a few months prior to the curse. 1 happens some time ago.

      The Ring had the Capital city of Agrabah. The problem wasn't solved until the city was released. All the people of that city and such were trapped in there. Can't rule the capital region and the whole sultanate without the seat of power.

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    • Well, if the ring onle had the Capital I'm ok. I think is more logical that if it had the entire Agrabah.

      So, Jafar's carpet is not Jasmine's? That would fix more things because then he could, as you says, went to see Aladdin (The Savior). Then he run away to the Enchanted Forest and the oracle went to the land where the capital was. She found Jasmine and, without hope and ashamed, they went to the Land of the Untold Stories (I guess the oracle could had a key).

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    • Hera Pan wrote:
      Well, if the ring onle had the Capital I'm ok. I think is more logical that if it had the entire Agrabah.

      So, Jafar's carpet is not Jasmine's? That would fix more things because then he could, as you says, went to see Aladdin (The Savior). Then he run away to the Enchanted Forest and the oracle went to the land where the capital was. She found Jasmine and, without hope and ashamed, they went to the Land of the Untold Stories (I guess the oracle could had a key).

      It had the capital. Try to see it as: A king has land and an army. Dukes have their land and armies. A king that has no land soon will not be king at all. Plus, her family, servants, and citizens were trapped there. You can't be serious if you think she shouldn't worry about them.

      The carpet is the one Aladdin rode in on when he saved the day.

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    • No, my problem was that I couldn't fit all the Agrabah flashbacks if all Agrabah was in the ring. I'm glad that was only the capital.

      The same with the carpet. Thinking that was the same that Jasmine has.. Well, you know.

      Thanks for all the explanations :)

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    • The amount of tie-ins this episode had to previous ones made me so happy. Great consistency and love the fact that they FINALLY made some sort of reference to the spin-off. I generally like the episode, but I thought the Agrabah ending with Aladdin being free kind of didn't make much sense. I also thought that the ring would link into the original story, where there are two genies (genie of lamp and genie of ring), so kinda bummed it was just another Disney reference,

      I'm so happy Gideon asked Emma for help - Pretty sure 99% of us thought he should do that when we found out why he wanted to kill Emma. Pretty decent episode overall.

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    • Before I do my more objective thoughts, I feel as though there's a lot of nitpicking (not just here) on this episode whcih is mostly unwarranted. There are minor questions and then major questions. Having a lot of minor questions shouldn't leave someone in a tizzy and leave the episode a bad review. For example, timeline-related questions are really minor as context clues fil you in. Ariel's necklace was decribed as being apart of a long story, no need to think much more about it.

      Major questions like Jafar escaping can easily be reasoned by his extensive genie knowledge. Only flaw was if they didn't see Wonderland, then it's unexplainable. The writers should have told the audience about his extensive genie knowledge. Now, TLK breaking everything is a bit much. That's the only real question that I can see being detrimental as it ended a storyline and was pretty convenient.

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    • Lola987 wrote:
      The amount of tie-ins this episode had to previous ones made me so happy. Great consistency and love the fact that they FINALLY made some sort of reference to the spin-off. I generally like the episode, but I thought the Agrabah ending with Aladdin being free kind of didn't make much sense. I also thought that the ring would link into the original story, where there are two genies (genie of lamp and genie of ring), so kinda bummed it was just another Disney reference,I'm so happy Gideon asked Emma for help - Pretty sure 99% of us thought he should do that when we found out why he wanted to kill Emma. Pretty decent episode overall.

      I do think the ring is meant to be a reference to the original Aladdin story's ring. They could have choosen any sort of jewelry piece to have Agrabah be in, but they chose a ring. Also, we did get two genies in this episode, Aladdin and Jafar, which I think was also on purpose, it's just Jafar had to be in a bottle to tie correctly to Wonderland.

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    • Esk's Grade Report for the episode. 

      Plot ( 1.5 of 3)

      + Flashback was solid.

      + SB was solid

      o While it was fine, the storyline was rather tangential and the story ended conveniently.

      - Jafar said "What you did to me" to Aladdin. The Emir called Aladdin "Prince". None of that makes sense with the finish of the flashback.

      - Wonderland had stricter and better genie rules which were left aside in the main show.

      Character (2 of 4)

      - Jane and Jerome do pretty nice character development in past and present in ways that don't seem like they are hitting you over the head. But this.....

      + Emma and everyone else Getting to have quiet moments like this can be better used to look at a character outside of Plot!Plot!Plot! New Emma may be quite pessimistic, but given some self-reflection.

      + Hook and everyone else: Hook was a bit too angry, but understandably so. The interactions were new and explored a good deal of character.

      o The lack of story for Zelena, the lack of screentime for Rumple, Belle, and other townsfolk hurts the balanced impact of character when only two are focused on and they aren't given the peripheral, especially when some are more integral to the storyline.

      o Jasmine under a fine-tooth comb is just Young Snow + Belle. Fear prevents her from saving her people until a half-human comes along and encourages her to face that trouble. She's arranged for marriage to save her kingdom because they need an army to fight baddies. Aladdin seems to be a needy cynic. So, a vain coward + needy cynic really doesn't scream true love.

      General Consensus ( .5 out of 2)

      - There were a lot of nitpicking thoughts and I wanted to have the score reflect the general consensus negating the nitpicking elements, but this is supposedly objective.

      Balance (1 of 1)

      - The humor and darkness were balanced, even if they were often oversahdowed by peculiar character and plot elements.

      Overall Score: 5 out of 10, or a F+, or a passable episode. A weird end to a rather tangential storyline. I try my best to be objective, thus even if I think it was a passable episode, the more objective looks don't lie.

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    • I really liked this episode, unexpectedly. 

      Everything made perfect sense to me, timeline-wise. I don't know what the majority is saying.

      Flashback was good, fun and exciting. I liked Jafar way better than 6x05. Ariel was so sweet and it was good to see how Jasmine's story actually ended.

      EF/Agrabah in present day was also fun, and a good resolution to Aladdin & Jasmine's plot. 

      Storybrooke was so much fun, Snow made me laugh all time plus amazing conversation between Emma and Regina.

      So yeah, it was a filler episode but it was really good so I don't mind. 

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    • Really tired of the "Will Emma and Hook make things work?" thing. They seriously disgust me this season. But except that and Hook's unnecessary angst (as always), it was a decent episode. At least better than "Page 23" disaster. One of the first things I examime about an episode in this show is if the timeline fits or not and as far as I get, there's no continity error about that. The thing I'm pissed of is that they literally threw the storyline about Hook and Liam. What was Liam doing in this episode anyway? After they arrived the island, they were like "Okay, the plot doesn't need us anymore so bye!". Very exicited about the upcoming one, though. Hope it'll be much better.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Really tired of the "Will Emma and Hook make things work?" thing. They seriously disgust me this season. But except that and Hook's unnecessary angst (as always), it was a decent episode. At least better than "Page 23" disaster. One of the first things I examime about an episode in this show is if the timeline fits or not and as far as I get, there's no continity error about that. The thing I'm pissed of is that they literally threw the storyline about Hook and Liam. What was Liam doing in this episode anyway? After they arrived the island, they were like "Okay, the plot doesn't need us anymore so bye!". Very exicited about the upcoming one, though. Hope it'll be much better.

      I cannot agree more.

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    • I'd say the writers never really intended for Liam to have a role. They brought the Nautilus back so that they could explain its realm-jumping and also have something to carry Hook away and thought "hey, the fans liked Liam, let's give him some screen time too."

      Of course, they did kind of lampshade the fact that Hook and Liam didn't get a brother plot - Liam said something about how they never seem to have enough time.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I'd say the writers never really intended for Liam to have a role. They brought the Nautilus back so that they could explain it's realm-jumping and also have something to carry Hook away and thought "hey, the fans liked Liam, let's give him some screen time too."

      Of course, they did kind of lampshade the fact that Hook and Liam didn't get a brother plot - Liam said something about how they never seem to have enough time.

      Yep. Getting mad that an episode focused on Al and Jazzy didn't focus on Liam is weird. Liam and Hook have no beef between them, so what were they going to do? Bond over Hook's alcoholism or Hook's father-killing ways? XD

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    • CadoDoan wrote: Really tired of the "Will Emma and Hook make things work?" thing. They seriously disgust me this season. But except that and Hook's unnecessary angst (as always), it was a decent episode. At least better than "Page 23" disaster. One of the first things I examime about an episode in this show is if the timeline fits or not and as far as I get, there's no continity error about that. The thing I'm pissed of is that they literally threw the storyline about Hook and Liam. What was Liam doing in this episode anyway? After they arrived the island, they were like "Okay, the plot doesn't need us anymore so bye!". Very exicited about the upcoming one, though. Hope it'll be much better.

      LOL... Why did they have to be included in the wish in the first place?

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    • Trying to balance all the cynicism with some positivity but....look at this paraphrased conversation.

      Hook: What happened to Agrabah?

      Jazzy: Jafar, an evil sorcerer...

      Hook: A sorcerer?! He can probably travel across lands, I've heard. Let's find him. For the both of us...

      Yeah, magicless people never stand a chance to magic users and Hook's idea was pretty dumb. 

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    • Well, I'm a little upset because they ignore Liam all this time when his introduction in the plot came with some mistakes (aging during the curse time). I expected that he was going to be like that neighbors of Storybrooke that appear some times.

      On the other hand, I'm tired of Hook being the focus of everything. The writers have twisted Robert's plot so it's about Hook (they cut the moment in which Emma tells David the truth and his reaction was set aside at the moment for Emma's problem with Hook's depart). Same with Agrabah (in lesser degree) and, well, we'll see what happens next Sunday (OMG I sound like the man of the promos hahaha).

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    • Farerb wrote:

      CadoDoan wrote: Really tired of the "Will Emma and Hook make things work?" thing. They seriously disgust me this season. But except that and Hook's unnecessary angst (as always), it was a decent episode. At least better than "Page 23" disaster. One of the first things I examime about an episode in this show is if the timeline fits or not and as far as I get, there's no continity error about that. The thing I'm pissed of is that they literally threw the storyline about Hook and Liam. What was Liam doing in this episode anyway? After they arrived the island, they were like "Okay, the plot doesn't need us anymore so bye!". Very exicited about the upcoming one, though. Hope it'll be much better.

      LOL... Why did they have to be included in the wish in the first place?

      Because they would die in the ship.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Trying to balance all the cynicism with some positivity but....look at this paraphrased conversation.

      Hook: What happened to Agrabah?

      Jazzy: Jafar, an evil sorcerer...

      Hook: A sorcerer?! He can probably travel across lands, I've heard. Let's find him. For the both of us...

      Yeah, magicless people never stand a chance to magic users and Hook's idea was pretty dumb. 

      Well, Hook is not that intelligent to begin with...

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      CadoDoan wrote: Really tired of the "Will Emma and Hook make things work?" thing. They seriously disgust me this season. But except that and Hook's unnecessary angst (as always), it was a decent episode. At least better than "Page 23" disaster. One of the first things I examime about an episode in this show is if the timeline fits or not and as far as I get, there's no continity error about that. The thing I'm pissed of is that they literally threw the storyline about Hook and Liam. What was Liam doing in this episode anyway? After they arrived the island, they were like "Okay, the plot doesn't need us anymore so bye!". Very exicited about the upcoming one, though. Hope it'll be much better.

      LOL... Why did they have to be included in the wish in the first place?

      Because they would die in the ship.

      Yeah, but they are no ones like the people who turned into flying monkeys and got shot by Emma and co so...who cares?

      By the way, I enjoyed Snow, Emma and Regina scenes, I wish they had more scenes like it.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Trying to balance all the cynicism with some positivity but....look at this paraphrased conversation.

      Hook: What happened to Agrabah?

      Jazzy: Jafar, an evil sorcerer...

      Hook: A sorcerer?! He can probably travel across lands, I've heard. Let's find him. For the both of us...

      Yeah, magicless people never stand a chance to magic users and Hook's idea was pretty dumb. 

      Well, Hook is not that intelligent to begin with...

      If that's the bar, then I think noone would be smart. xD I think Hook is reasonably average, but he wouldn't go with this line of thinking. It's as if he ignored everything Jasmine said, but I guess Once goes with "People make terrible choices when they are slightly desparate". Could have asked for a magic bean from Aladdin.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      CadoDoan wrote: Really tired of the "Will Emma and Hook make things work?" thing. They seriously disgust me this season. But except that and Hook's unnecessary angst (as always), it was a decent episode. At least better than "Page 23" disaster. One of the first things I examime about an episode in this show is if the timeline fits or not and as far as I get, there's no continity error about that. The thing I'm pissed of is that they literally threw the storyline about Hook and Liam. What was Liam doing in this episode anyway? After they arrived the island, they were like "Okay, the plot doesn't need us anymore so bye!". Very exicited about the upcoming one, though. Hope it'll be much better.

      LOL... Why did they have to be included in the wish in the first place?
      Because they would die in the ship.

      Yeah, but they are no ones like the people who turned into flying monkeys and got shot by Emma and co so...who cares?

      By the way, I enjoyed Snow, Emma and Regina scenes, I wish they had more scenes like it.

      Seriously, you can't expect them to leave them there. So, I won't continue on that preposterous notion.

      I think the quiet scenes were nice, but I think they were lacking a little Rumple and Belle because they haven't been seen for two episodes.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Trying to balance all the cynicism with some positivity but....look at this paraphrased conversation.

      Hook: What happened to Agrabah?

      Jazzy: Jafar, an evil sorcerer...

      Hook: A sorcerer?! He can probably travel across lands, I've heard. Let's find him. For the both of us...

      Yeah, magicless people never stand a chance to magic users and Hook's idea was pretty dumb. 

      Well, Hook is not that intelligent to begin with...

      If that's the bar, then I think noone would be smart. xD I think Hook is reasonably average, but he wouldn't go with this line of thinking. It's as if he ignored everything Jasmine said, but I guess Once goes with "People make terrible choices when they are slightly desparate". Could have asked for a magic bean from Aladdin.

      I don't think he's that smart and probably the least intelligent of all the main characters.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      I don't think he's that smart and probably the least intelligent of all the main characters.

      Now, that's a nice debateable topic on a separate thread, but I'm pretty sure he's in the same category as Regina (impulsive, but sometimes can do something clever). Would defend that, and then I recalled he freed Zelena accidentally.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Farerb wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Trying to balance all the cynicism with some positivity but....look at this paraphrased conversation.

      Hook: What happened to Agrabah?

      Jazzy: Jafar, an evil sorcerer...

      Hook: A sorcerer?! He can probably travel across lands, I've heard. Let's find him. For the both of us...

      Yeah, magicless people never stand a chance to magic users and Hook's idea was pretty dumb. 

      Well, Hook is not that intelligent to begin with...
      If that's the bar, then I think noone would be smart. xD I think Hook is reasonably average, but he wouldn't go with this line of thinking. It's as if he ignored everything Jasmine said, but I guess Once goes with "People make terrible choices when they are slightly desparate". Could have asked for a magic bean from Aladdin.

      No, I think the dumbest part of this is that Hook said no to using a wish from Aladdin because repercussions, but after learning that Jafar was a genie he planned to use a wish from him because... apparently evil genies have fewer repercussions than heroic ones?

      Basically, the writers needed an excuse to get Hook involved in the Alasgrabah plot and, as they often do nowadays, failed to come up with a believable one.

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    • But hey, guys! I've got some good stuff for the inevitable: "Did Direct Disney Insertion help Once?" And I think we know the answer. XD

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    • Few questions:

      Why did Jafar needed Agrabah or marrying Jasmine? How could it advance his plans at getting the power of the Genies or whatever he tried to get on Winderland?

      Where were Rumple, Belle and Zelena? I get why Belle wasn't with them at the bar cause nobody cares about her, but what about Zelena, she is supposed to be Emma's BFF now, why wasn't she there to comfort her?

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Few questions:

      Why did Jafar needed Agrabah or marrying Jasmine? How could it advance his plans at getting the power of the Genies or whatever he tried to get on Winderland?

      As he said in the climax of the flashback, he didn't. All he wanted was some petty revenge before he moved on with his real plan, and Jasmine agreeing to marry him meant he received the ring that had a magical protection over Agrabah, allowing him to magic it away.

      Where were Rumple, Belle and Zelena? I get why Belle wasn't with them at the bar cause nobody cares about her, but what about Zelena, she is supposed to be Emma's BFF now, why wasn't she there to comfort her?

      Zelena's curiosity about an engagement ring hardly makes her Emma's BFF (although technically she is her half-great-stepaunt!). Although, if you'd like, you could headcanon that she was offered but chose to stay home with her infant daughter?

      answers in bold :P

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Few questions:

      Why did Jafar needed Agrabah or marrying Jasmine? How could it advance his plans at getting the power of the Genies or whatever he tried to get on Winderland?

      Where were Rumple, Belle and Zelena? I get why Belle wasn't with them at the bar cause nobody cares about her, but what about Zelena, she is supposed to be Emma's BFF now, why wasn't she there to comfort her?

      1. Jafar didn't want Agrabah or Jasmine. He was just getting side-revenge of the Agrabahn elite and commonfolk that he ruled over that hated him and called his "bastard". So, like that side-hobby while he was getting info on Cyrus' location. (The merchant said "I wish you far, as far as the Earth is from the Sun...which is really far.)

      2. Rumple and Belle don't hang out with them. They took a vacation I guess because I think the writers write these episodes in a vacuum and don't realize that Belle and Rumple have some things to do with their son. Zelena isn't Emma's friend. They simply set their differences aside. Zelena has a growth attached to her arm, called her child. Unlike Snow, Zelena doesn't have a babysitter (although she should just let Granny babysit hers and Snow's.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Farerb wrote:
      Few questions:

      Why did Jafar needed Agrabah or marrying Jasmine? How could it advance his plans at getting the power of the Genies or whatever he tried to get on Winderland?

      Where were Rumple, Belle and Zelena? I get why Belle wasn't with them at the bar cause nobody cares about her, but what about Zelena, she is supposed to be Emma's BFF now, why wasn't she there to comfort her?

      1. Jafar didn't want Agrabah or Jasmine. He was just getting side-revenge of the Agrabahn elite and commonfolk that he ruled over that hated him and called his "bastard". So, like that side-hobby while he was getting info on Cyrus' location. (The merchant said "I wish you far, as far as the Earth is from the Sun...which is really far.)

      2. Rumple and Belle don't hang out with them. They took a vacation I guess because I think the writers write these episodes in a vacuum and don't realize that Belle and Rumple have some things to do with their son. Zelena isn't Emma's friend. They simply set their differences aside. Zelena has a growth attached to her arm, called her child. Unlike Snow, Zelena doesn't have a babysitter (although she should just let Granny babysit hers and Snow's.

      Maybe Zelena even agreed to babysit baby Neal while his father was asleep and his mother got drunk

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    • Farerb wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Farerb wrote:
      Few questions:

      Why did Jafar needed Agrabah or marrying Jasmine? How could it advance his plans at getting the power of the Genies or whatever he tried to get on Winderland?

      Where were Rumple, Belle and Zelena? I get why Belle wasn't with them at the bar cause nobody cares about her, but what about Zelena, she is supposed to be Emma's BFF now, why wasn't she there to comfort her?

      1. Jafar didn't want Agrabah or Jasmine. He was just getting side-revenge of the Agrabahn elite and commonfolk that he ruled over that hated him and called his "bastard". So, like that side-hobby while he was getting info on Cyrus' location. (The merchant said "I wish you far, as far as the Earth is from the Sun...which is really far.)

      2. Rumple and Belle don't hang out with them. They took a vacation I guess because I think the writers write these episodes in a vacuum and don't realize that Belle and Rumple have some things to do with their son. Zelena isn't Emma's friend. They simply set their differences aside. Zelena has a growth attached to her arm, called her child. Unlike Snow, Zelena doesn't have a babysitter (although she should just let Granny babysit hers and Snow's.

      Maybe Zelena even agreed to babysit baby Neal while his father was asleep and his mother got drunk

      If she needed a babysitter, she'd clearly just kidnap Archie again.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Farerb wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:


      Farerb wrote:
      Few questions:

      Why did Jafar needed Agrabah or marrying Jasmine? How could it advance his plans at getting the power of the Genies or whatever he tried to get on Winderland?

      Where were Rumple, Belle and Zelena? I get why Belle wasn't with them at the bar cause nobody cares about her, but what about Zelena, she is supposed to be Emma's BFF now, why wasn't she there to comfort her?

      1. Jafar didn't want Agrabah or Jasmine. He was just getting side-revenge of the Agrabahn elite and commonfolk that he ruled over that hated him and called his "bastard". So, like that side-hobby while he was getting info on Cyrus' location. (The merchant said "I wish you far, as far as the Earth is from the Sun...which is really far.)

      2. Rumple and Belle don't hang out with them. They took a vacation I guess because I think the writers write these episodes in a vacuum and don't realize that Belle and Rumple have some things to do with their son. Zelena isn't Emma's friend. They simply set their differences aside. Zelena has a growth attached to her arm, called her child. Unlike Snow, Zelena doesn't have a babysitter (although she should just let Granny babysit hers and Snow's.

      Maybe Zelena even agreed to babysit baby Neal while his father was asleep and his mother got drunk
      If she needed a babysitter, she'd clearly just kidnap Archie again.

      It would honestly be a hilarious parallel to 3B if Zelena just happened to be Baby Neal's babysitter whilst David was asleep and SNow was roughhousing vikings.

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    • Weak episode... Very mad about Jafar's idiotic defeat!

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    • ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote:
      Weak episode... Very mad about Jafar's idiotic defeat!

      Yes he shouldn't be deafeated for at least a few episodes I mean he broke the laws of magic and then he got defeated in a minute which is kind of weird for such a powerful character, but besides that it was a great episode

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    • The episode was nice, funny, but I too think that it was too easy for Jafar to stop being a genie. Still, I was thinking they would do worse, and they did quite an "okay" job with Al, Jasmine and Jafar. The dynamics with Ariel worked perfectly; just sad that Nemo won't be back

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    • I'm probably one of the few who appreciated Jafar's exit. I'm glad he wasn't put into the main storyline, because we already have too many storylines and also because Oded, even if he's a pretty good actor, to me doesn't have the same charisma of Naveen. 

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      I'm probably one of the few who appreciated Jafar's exit. I'm glad he wasn't put into the main storyline, because we already have too many storylines and also because Oded, even if he's a pretty good actor, to me doesn't have the same charisma of Naveen. 

      I think Jafar was pretty good either way. Both had the cruel sense of humor. I can't see why anyone should be annoyed by Jafar's usage when he was obviously set-up for a minor villain role focused solely on Aladdin and Jasmine. 

      Plus it's a trend. Jafar is always defeated by being outsmarted partially due to his pride.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      AlbOuat wrote:
      I'm probably one of the few who appreciated Jafar's exit. I'm glad he wasn't put into the main storyline, because we already have too many storylines and also because Oded, even if he's a pretty good actor, to me doesn't have the same charisma of Naveen. 
      I think Jafar was pretty good either way. Both had the cruel sense of humor. I can't see why anyone should be annoyed by Jafar's usage when he was obviously set-up for a minor villain role focused solely on Aladdin and Jasmine. 

      Plus it's a trend. Jafar is always defeated by being outsmarted partially due to his pride.

      Exactly. I don't get what else we needed to explore since we've known him pretty enough in Wonderland. Probably the ones who wanted him as a major villain didn't watch the other show. 

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    • I don't think he should have a major role, I like how he was developed, and I really liked Oded's acting. My only issue is with hpw easily he released himself from the genie bracelets.

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      I don't think he should have a major role, I like how he was developed, and I really liked Oded's acting. My only issue is with hpw easily he released himself from the genie bracelets.

      The main issue I guess is from Wonderland, Nyx seemed pretty deity like (although I doubted that). Seeing how Amara and Jafar had several genie based spells, I think Jafar freeing himself isn't hard to believe as he never had to free a genie before. He's suffers from Omniscient Villain more than that geneie curse issue. They rounded it out by bringing his potion focus back.

      If we had Aladdin's freedom compared to Jafar's freedom, I sort of can buy them both, but Aladdin's whole circumstance broke (as in didn't contradict, but didn't coincide) all the genie stuff we knew previously.

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