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    • Damn, you beat me to it. 8-D

      Ok, the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing this is "Somewhere Over the Rainbow", which just screams of Zelena (since SOtR is very much Oz related).

      So, my guess is that we may be finally getting the one Zelena centric episode of the season.

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    • Is this the musical ep?

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Is this the musical ep?

      No.

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    • So a Wizard of Oz song reference. We've heard nothing about Zelena so far though.....

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    • hard to say, but my guess is that it is NOT the musical ep.  given that we've been told that the musical numbers would be original, that would be hard to sell in an episode entitled "Where Bluebirds Fly", which is a line from a long established musical number.

      Another thought that I had was this could also be a Snow(ing) episode, since bluebirds are also associated with Snow White. But I'm still leaning towards an Oz centric.

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    • Perhaps the curse-breaking is not a one episode situation and Snowing's plot line in 6x17 extends into this one.

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    • This is a Zelena centric (99% sure). Hales has written Zelena based episodes (aka 1 of 1 so far, lol) and Hales mentioned having Rebecca in her office saying something like "I (Zelena) wouldn't say it like that!"

      Lyrics within "Somewhere over the Rainbow". So, at least we know Zelena's in at least two of the episodes.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      hard to say, but my guess is that it is NOT the musical ep.  given that we've been told that the musical numbers would be original, that would be hard to sell in an episode entitled "Where Bluebirds Fly", which is a line from a long established musical number.

      Another thought that I had was this could also be a Snow(ing) episode, since bluebirds are also associated with Snow White. But I'm still leaning towards an Oz centric.


      "Awake" is already a Snowing centric ^^ So, two eps about them won't follow ^^

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    • Now it makes me think that Awake is still a Hook-centric. Cuz Tiger Lily is appearing in ep 17 and 18. And if 18 isn't Hook's, then it should be 17.

      The Snowing 'flashback' could simply be a subplot of Charming entering Snow's dream.

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    • Definitly agree about this being a Zelena centric. Not sure how Tiger Lily ties into all this though. Also, I'm really curious to see if we get any other Oz characters (either new or returning) in this episode now.

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    • Wicked Wizard of the West wrote:
      Now it makes me think that Awake is still a Hook-centric. Cuz Tiger Lily is appearing in ep 17 and 18. And if 18 isn't Hook's, then it should be 17.

      The Snowing 'flashback' could simply be a subplot of Charming entering Snow's dream.

      617 is defintiely Snowing centric xD No doubt about it.

      Why it is so hard to think that, for once, Hook's plot is the subplot of the episodes? If they asked  Tiger Lily to be in two episodes, maybe it is because they're doing this plot on two eps, without giving it a centric ^^

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    • Agreed with Lady, plus, nothing says that we'll be delving into Tiger Lily's backstory in any significant way. 

      Awake is Snow/Snowing Centric; WBF will be Zelena centric. The 6B thread (or appropriate episode thread) discusses this in more depth.

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    • hopefully this is a Zelena episode. :)

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      617 is defintiely Snowing centric xD No doubt about it.

      Why it is so hard to think that, for once, Hook's plot is the subplot of the episodes? If they asked  Tiger Lily to be in two episodes, maybe it is because they're doing this plot on two eps, without giving it a centric ^^

      This is something they should be doing more often in my opinion. Instead of isolated centrics like they tend to do. Like we'll get 25-30 minutes of one person getting development in a single episode......and then they're not doing anything significant in subsequent ones (if they appear at all) until their next centric pops up. 

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    • Back to the episode, I wonder if Dorothy and Ruby could return. I'm not sure about Mulan, since Jamie Chung is a bit busy now. If Jamie is busy, she may stay in Oz, waiting for Season 7 

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    • I think there's a good chance of us seeing Mulan, too. The leading theory now that we know the Dragon isn't Lily's dad is that he's Mulan's, so... Of course, that does depend on Jamie's schedule, so it's possible that the Dragon has been shelved... again...

      Just saying, though, Where Bluebirds Fly is not a lyric in Somewhere Over the Rainbow. The lyric is "Somewhere over the rainbow, bluebirds fly". (And "If happy little bluebirds fly beyond the rainbow why, oh, why can't I?") Where Bluebirds Fly is a song by Radiohead, though. It could be a combination of a reference to Oz and a reference to a real song, like Adam and Eddy love to do.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I think there's a good chance of us seeing Mulan, too. The leading theory now that we know the Dragon isn't Lily's dad is that he's Mulan's, so... Of course, that does depend on Jamie's schedule, so it's possible that the Dragon has been shelved... again...

      Just saying, though, Where Bluebirds Fly is not a lyric in Somewhere Over the Rainbow. The lyric is "Somewhere over the rainbow, bluebirds fly". (And "If happy little bluebirds fly beyond the rainbow why, oh, why can't I?") Where Bluebirds Fly is a song by Radiohead, though. It could be a combination of a reference to Oz and a reference to a real song, like Adam and Eddy love to do.

      Well they made it a question: Where do Bluebirds Fly? And the answer is: Over the Rainbow.

      As far as other characters, I too hope we get to see Red, Dorothy, and Mulan, or at the very least Dorothy in flashback. They have yet to finish showing us Zelena's first attempt at the time travel spell.

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    • Really Really Really Really want this to be a Zelena centric

      Bonus Points for time travel spell attempt

      Bonus Points for Red, Dorothy and or Mulan

      Bonus Points for Glinda, Walsh, Lumiere or other withces

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    • I really want Red and Dorothy to show up in this. And maybe Zelena returns to Oz to stay there?

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    • Definitely Zelena centric. Hoping for Red and Dorothy (and Mulan, but I doubt it) to show up!

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    • I actually hope Zelena goes back to OZ in this episode so she can make a triumphant return on Season 7. 

      (Also, I do too wanna see Ruby and Dorothy)

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    • Love more Oz. I need to see Tinman{revealed to be Zelena's adopted dad} and Cowardly Lion.

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    • I'm betting we'll see another small portion of Zelena's first attempt at a time travel spell featuring her turning her adopted dad into the Tin Man but we won't figure out how it failed until maybe next season. But a backstory featuring Zelena and her dad could tie easily into a present-day storyline with Zelena, Regina, and Robyn.

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    • Why do I get the feeling of Zelena being dead by this episode?

      1 - A character-centric episodes, the character dies (example: Cora)

      2 - The title is like a "farewell-go-to-a-better-place" thing to me

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    • At this point no one would notice if she dies.

      She did nothing in the first half. She was like the 8th dwarf in the background

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    • I don't know why (well, I do) this idea that Zelena's going to die persists. 

      I like to think that they kept Zelena around so long to redeem her and etc. It's not like they kill off everyone who's not doing anything. If that were the case, Red would have been dead in like season 3, along with a whole lot of folk. 

      It's wrong to say she did nothing. The correct statement would be "She did very little over the course of a reasonable amount of screentime." Of course there are exaggerations, but I doubt she;ll be killed off, or written off until a big change of story happens (or the show ends).

      Zelena has had character centric episodes and she's still here. I mean, Robin died and he has had like one vaguely referenced centric and that was a whole season apart.

      Sorry if it seems like I'm ranting, but the whole "this person will die" concept nags at my inner darkness. (Same with the whole Hook will die and not come back ones) (Plus they kept Belle around when they went whole seasons giving her a few minutes of screentime, including being unconscious).

      But....she could be part of some Savior-killing journey that Black Fairy is doing (with Zelena secretly being the Savior of Oz) or some Big Villain-killing escapade of Gideon (seeing how Emma's big Villain to beat was the Evil Queen). 

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    • But people are just guessing, it doesn't hurt anyone... besides Zelena. And she already had a centric where she died (3x20) so I doubt it as well. It wouldn't really matter if they written her out at some point, this season showed that IMO her plots are done and there's not much she can do.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      But people are just guessing, it doesn't hurt anyone... besides Zelena. And she already had a centric where she died (3x20) so I doubt it as well. It wouldn't really matter if they written her out at some point, this season showed that IMO her plots are done and there's not much she can do.

      I think the relationship between her and Regina could be explored further and give good storylines. 

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    • AlbOuat wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      But people are just guessing, it doesn't hurt anyone... besides Zelena. And she already had a centric where she died (3x20) so I doubt it as well. It wouldn't really matter if they written her out at some point, this season showed that IMO her plots are done and there's not much she can do.

      I think the relationship between her and Regina could be explored further and give good storylines. 

      Same. Because in essence most characters have plots that were finished until something was manufactured for them to continue (aka Rumple, or whatever Emma seems to go through, or Regina and Hook's perpetual angst).

      The theories are interesting points, but in my opinion they aren't as productive (not exactly what I mean). It's how I see many predict Rumple dying, but that by itself has been repeated but the meat of discussion is not some write-off/death but the reasons and events that lead up to it.

      It's like talking about Robin dying (well, the real reason was because of plot no jutsu) and with a somewhat return, the discussion is less about him leaving again but why and what does this mean in terms of the characters involved.

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    • No main characters will die at this time, not even Rumple, folk! This is not Game of Thrones. Killing off Robin is a giant misstep that outrage fans and leave the writers in a regret later. They even have to put Robin back for another farewell arc. Killing off people at this point of the story will only make the show become more unbearable. And Zelena is the only anchor left for Regina's happy ending, aside from Henry of course. So I think she may stay, or she may leave for Oz to pursue her own life, become a hero of her own, but she won't die

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    • While I, too, doubt that Zelena will die this season, her being demoted or outright leaving may be a possible outcome. She follows the pattern of a character being left out every season, and while only two of them have been killed, none of them have been series regulars in the following season.

      That said, Zelena also has more inherent potential than most of the characters who have been removed as the sister of one of the leads, a mother, and a villain going through a redemption arc. While they haven't gotten to her yet this year, there is at least something to get to, something that can't be said for Archie, Ruby, or Robin (that's not to say any of those characters were useless, but their continued inclusion in the plot as mains would require something new to be written for them; Zelena already has her plot written, just not resolved. Archie and Ruby are functioning fine as recurring characters.) She's also a popular character and her actress seems to enjoy being on Once despite little use, which while those facts don't necessarily guarantee that she'll stick around, they certainly can't hurt. She may play a role more like Belle, who was also useless in seasons 2-5 (perhaps not as much as Will or Robin, but still), and stick around until they have room for her to shine. Although given that we're certainly late in the series' lifespan, they may not have time to wait for that.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      While I, too, doubt that Zelena will die this season, her being demoted or outright leaving may be a possible outcome. She follows the pattern of a character being left out every season, and while only two of them have been killed, none of them have been series regulars in the following season.

      That said, Zelena also has more inherent potential than most of the characters who have been removed as the sister of one of the leads, a mother, and a villain going through a redemption arc. While they haven't gotten to her yet this year, there is at least something to get to, something that can't be said for Archie, Ruby, or Robin (that's not to say any of those characters were useless, but their continued inclusion in the plot as mains would require something new to be written for them; Zelena already has her plot written, just not resolved. Archie and Ruby are functioning fine as recurring characters.) She's also a popular character and her actress seems to enjoy being on Once despite little use, which while those facts don't necessarily guarantee that she'll stick around, they certainly can't hurt. She may play a role more like Belle, who was also useless in seasons 2-5 (perhaps not as much as Will or Robin, but still), and stick around until they have room for her to shine. Although given that we're certainly late in the series' lifespan, they may not have time to wait for that.

      I think we should just wait and she'll play a bigger role in the last batch of episodes. We probably thought the same thing in 5A and early 5B, but from 5x16 she was almost the protagonist of the arc (same as 4B when she reappeared in the last few episodes). 

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    • She was spared in Season Five not only because of her role in the last few episodes but also because every time she was on screen she was memorable. (Like being snarky with Regina about having to play the mute handmaiden.) So far, she hasn't really even had any of that this year. The scenes she's been in have been mostly forgettable.

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    • I think it's too early to say how useful Zelena will be this season. This appears to be a centric for her, so obviously something big with her is going on in this episode. Time will tell how important she is in other episodes.

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    • This is common for Zelena though. In 5A she went from being in the Premiere to disappearing with no lines or appearances until Ep. 5 and even that was a 2 minute scene. Then she got shelved for 4 episodes before returning for 8 consequtive episodes where she was literally the main star with 3 centric episodes.

      In 6A she wasn't as shelved as she was in 5A. She had some good scenes most notably in Changelings & Working with Belle. She also had a few odd scenes in the first few episodes. Now, it seems in 6B she'll get ANOTHER centric as follows the tradition. It may possibly be her only centric this season and its possible for her to depart if necessary but I don't find it necessary to shelve her once again after her arc as this is happening too often.

      We don't know to what extent she'll play in the next half and she's only been absent from 3 episodes so far (By the second half last year it was 6) so we'll have to judge her credibility when it comes round to it.

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    • We're sure this is the episode we're filming and not 6x17? I've lost track of their schedule.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      We're sure this is the episode we're filming and not 6x17? I've lost track of their schedule.

      Yes, Kat confirmed 6x17 wrapped last Friday. Looks like that one took the standard 8 days :)

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    • Natalie Abrams (of EW) visited the set today and it sounds like Lana, Bex, Colin, and Jen were in studio. https://twitter.com/NatalieAbrams/status/829141966382362624

      These TV reporters don't /usually/ fly to sets unless it's like, a special occasion. But this seems like it'd be a normal episode....? 

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    • Unless this is the musical episode after all...

      Hey, Ruby did note that there was a lot of singing in Oz back in Season Five. Maybe that wasn't a gag, but actually subtle foreshadowing! DUN DUN DUNNNNN!!!

      ..nah.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Natalie Abrams (of EW) visited the set today and it sounds like Lana, Bex, Colin, and Jen were in studio. https://twitter.com/NatalieAbrams/status/829141966382362624

      These TV reporters don't /usually/ fly to sets unless it's like, a special occasion. But this seems like it'd be a normal episode....? 

      Weird. I feel like we would know if this is the musical episode, right? So maybe Natalie was just doing an interview with some of the stars or something.

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    • (Please people, when you create the thread for a new episode, do not forget to link it to the episode at the bottom of the page. It is making things a way easier for many people ^^)

      So, now we have the confirmation that Green Zelena is back:

      https://twitter.com/bexonsnapchat/status/829451089099513866

      Plus, if these pics were taken today, Rebecca filmed as Zelena and Lana as the Evil Queen: https://www.instagram.com/p/BQRDga5AWlO/?taken-by=lparrilla

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      (Please people, when you create the thread for a new episode, do not forget to link it to the episode at the bottom of the page. It is making things a way easier for many people ^^)

      So, now we have the confirmation that Green Zelena is back:

      https://twitter.com/bexonsnapchat/status/829451089099513866

      Plus, if these pics were taken today, Rebecca filmed as Zelena and Lana as the Evil Queen: https://www.instagram.com/p/BQRDga5AWlO/?taken-by=lparrilla

      Yes! Now if we could get confirmation of any other Oz character, we would really be getting somewhere.

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    • Interesting, so we will be seeing Zelena in a flashback. Curious about the EQ unless it is EQ Serum or after Pan sent them back?

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    • Gusey1397 wrote: Interesting, so we will be seeing Zelena in a flashback. Curious about the EQ unless it is EQ Serum or after Pan sent them back?

      I'm sure it'll give tell tale signs depending who Regina and Zelena film with.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I think there's a good chance of us seeing Mulan, too. The leading theory now that we know the Dragon isn't Lily's dad is that he's Mulan's, so... Of course, that does depend on Jamie's schedule, so it's possible that the Dragon has been shelved... again...

      Just saying, though, Where Bluebirds Fly is not a lyric in Somewhere Over the Rainbow. The lyric is "Somewhere over the rainbow, bluebirds fly". (And "If happy little bluebirds fly beyond the rainbow why, oh, why can't I?") Where Bluebirds Fly is a song by Radiohead, though. It could be a combination of a reference to Oz and a reference to a real song, like Adam and Eddy love to do.


      When was it confirmed the Dragon wasn't Lily's dad? If it's not him then who is her dad?

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    • I think that's an old picture. Lana has been posting a couple of those lately. If they were together, surely they'd post a shot of them together instead of a side by side?

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I think there's a good chance of us seeing Mulan, too. The leading theory now that we know the Dragon isn't Lily's dad is that he's Mulan's, so... Of course, that does depend on Jamie's schedule, so it's possible that the Dragon has been shelved... again...

      Just saying, though, Where Bluebirds Fly is not a lyric in Somewhere Over the Rainbow. The lyric is "Somewhere over the rainbow, bluebirds fly". (And "If happy little bluebirds fly beyond the rainbow why, oh, why can't I?") Where Bluebirds Fly is a song by Radiohead, though. It could be a combination of a reference to Oz and a reference to a real song, like Adam and Eddy love to do.


      When was it confirmed the Dragon wasn't Lily's dad? If it's not him then who is her dad?

      It was an article awhile ago, I don't have the link anymore. They confirmed that the Dragon's story has nothing to do with hers and that we will not be seeing Lily and Maleficent this year because they don't have time.

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I think there's a good chance of us seeing Mulan, too. The leading theory now that we know the Dragon isn't Lily's dad is that he's Mulan's, so... Of course, that does depend on Jamie's schedule, so it's possible that the Dragon has been shelved... again...

      Just saying, though, Where Bluebirds Fly is not a lyric in Somewhere Over the Rainbow. The lyric is "Somewhere over the rainbow, bluebirds fly". (And "If happy little bluebirds fly beyond the rainbow why, oh, why can't I?") Where Bluebirds Fly is a song by Radiohead, though. It could be a combination of a reference to Oz and a reference to a real song, like Adam and Eddy love to do.


      When was it confirmed the Dragon wasn't Lily's dad? If it's not him then who is her dad?

      Whoever her father is, we won't be finding out this season. Mal, Lily, her father, and probably Aurora, Phillip, Stefan, and Briar Rose have been pushed into at least Season 7 now.

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    • I'm wondering why Keegan's dressed the way she is for 6x18. It definitely feels very OOC

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    • QueenOfHearts2 wrote:
      I'm wondering why Keegan's dressed the way she is for 6x18. It definitely feels very OOC

      Are you talking about the picture on her Instagram where she has her nun shirt open? Keegan was probably just being funny, it will probably be buttoned up in the episode. Alternativly, if it is for the episode, it's probably the Black Fairy or Zelena or someone shapeshifted into Blue for some reason.

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    • Zelena is a main character now so i DOUBT they will kill her off

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    • Robin was a main character when they killed him off. Same with Neal. Just because you are a main character does not exempt you from potential death.

      However, I will agree that I don't see them killing Zelena at this point.

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    • Zelena scenes at Granny's, with stunts. https://ouat-es.tumblr.com/post/157072929885/from-bex-snapchat

      Bex has been filming every day so far, so definitely heavy Zelena in this episode. I hope we get a guest star announcement. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Zelena scenes at Granny's, with stunts.

      https://ouat-es.tumblr.com/post/157072929885/from-bex-snapchat

      Bex has been filming every day so far, so definitely heavy Zelena in this episode. I hope we get a guest star announcement. 

      We're pretty sure the flashback is Zelena in Oz, right? I'm interested to see what they are going to show. I'd like to see the rest of the time travel spell attempt with The Tinman and The Lion, but there are other things they can do, especially if they pull something from one of the other books.

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    • There are many characters from the books that could work, like: Tip/Ozma, Nome King and the Land of Ev...

      But of course, right now I just want them to focus on the dangling threads about Zelena, Dorothy, Tin Man (her foster father?), Cowardly Lion (Simba LOL), and teasing some Nome King could be nice. Hopefully the girls squad in Oz could be back, at least for Dorothy and Ruby, about Mulan I'm not so sure.

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    • Nothing super exciting, but IMDB is listing this actor as an Oz Guard:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5718996/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t10

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    • Well, if nothing else, that pretty much confirms that we will be seeing some more of the Emerald City. Now, we are all assuming that it will be in flashback (and Bex in the classic Green makeup pretty much guarantees the flashback), but does anyone think that it is possible that we will see the Emerald City present day?

      On a side note, I bet Bex can honestly say that it's not easy being green, since I would imagine that the makeup time for that must be longer than normal.

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    • Wicked Wizard of the West wrote:
      There are many characters from the books that could work, like: Tip/Ozma, Nome King and the Land of Ev...

      But of course, right now I just want them to focus on the dangling threads about Zelena, Dorothy, Tin Man (her foster father?), Cowardly Lion (Simba LOL), and teasing some Nome King could be nice. Hopefully the girls squad in Oz could be back, at least for Dorothy and Ruby, about Mulan I'm not so sure.

      I think Oz should have it's own series like Wonderland, it could star Dorothy maybe or possibly Zelena (though Dorothy would be probably be better) We can see many different characters like;

      Mombi

      Tip/Ozma

      Nome King

      Jack Pumpkinhead

      Professor Wogglebug

      Tik-Tok

      The Shaggy Man

      The Patchwork Girl

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    • Zelena scenes at her farmhouse this morning. https://ouat-es.tumblr.com/post/157241822535/from-bex-snapchat-february-14th

      Video of a scene being rehearsed with Snow, David, Emma, Hook, and Henry in front of hall. https://twitter.com/GlindaLoveShoes/status/831599852853211137

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    • I feel sad for timeline folks as SB has weird weather patterns.

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    • This episode will probably have a A plot with Zelena and Regina (plus flashback) and the B plot will be the scenes above, probably something concerning Black Fairy or Gideon. 

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    • According to Kat, Isabella Blake-Thomas will return as Young Zelena in this episode.  http://katmtan.tumblr.com/post/157265089357/it-looks-like-young-zelena-is-back-for-6x18-so-we

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    • I think Oz will be there only in flashback, so don't expect Ruby and Dorothy, they would have been announced by now.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      According to Kat, Isabella Blake-Thomas will return as Young Zelena in this episode. 

      http://katmtan.tumblr.com/post/157265089357/it-looks-like-young-zelena-is-back-for-6x18-so-we

      Interesting. I wonder if the whole flashback will be Young Zelena or just part of it. If it is the whole flashback, that pretty much rules out Dorothy, Scarecrow, Tinman, Lion, Walsh, etc. Actually, we know Zelena filmed as green Zelena, so it can't be the whole flashback, right?

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    • Oz will be flashback and even if Zelena is sent back to Oz, it'll be at the end. I would expect little more than young Zelena shenanigans or Witchy witch stuff that doesn't worldbuild Oz in the slightest.

      Like at least turn her father Tin or free Glinda.

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    • Since we've seen shots of Green Zelena, My guess would be something of a comprehensive flashback. Something that happened to Zelena when she was a teenager around the time that Cora 'borrowed' her (maybe even something related to consequences she received for disappearing), and then as an adult with some sort of followup to whatever happened as a teenager. (it would be nice if Adrian Hough were to return to reprise the Woodcutter, but the story likely does not need the abusive father this time around). so probably 1-2 scenes as a teenager and 1-2 scenes as adult Green Zelena.

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    • If we're getting a couple of scenes with Zeteena and a couple of scenes with Zegreena, I think the Tin Man with her adoptive dad is pretty likely. See a scene towards the beginning of the episode of him abusing her somehow, then the rest of the flashback is them meeting as she works on the time spell, culminating in her ripping out his heart and turning him to tin.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      If we're getting a couple of scenes with Zeteena and a couple of scenes with Zegreena, I think the Tin Man with her adoptive dad is pretty likely. See a scene towards the beginning of the episode of him abusing her somehow, then the rest of the flashback is them meeting as she works on the time spell, culminating in her ripping out his heart and turning him to tin.

      I would be really happy if this was what it was. Hopefully we find out who else is filming for flashback.

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    • Looks like Bex filmed with Giles today. (Lana was also there but it sounds like she left a while before the others) https://twitter.com/YasminaSotelo/status/832060530881761280 https://twitter.com/YasminaSotelo/status/832055232464973825

      According to the filming notice, they'll be filming until 1 am. There's another note on there that says they'll be filming from 6:30 am to 4:30 am (on Friday?). If it's Bex again, she's getting no sleep, lol.

      (Kat says they will be starting 6x19 tomorrow though)

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    • Interesting. So, Green Zelena, Zelena doing stunts, and Zelena with Gideon, while also likely having some childhood stuff.......this show, guys. HArd to predict, but somehow we see all the deaths coming a mile away.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Interesting. So, Green Zelena, Zelena doing stunts, and Zelena with Gideon, while also likely having some childhood stuff.......this show, guys. HArd to predict, but somehow we see all the deaths coming a mile away.

      I doubt that they would kill her off, especially if other mains aren't renewing their contracts for S7. Unless the writers are trying to kill their own show XD

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    • Haha. Bex did also go green today! Here's a snap from an hour ago - so she went into makeup after she filmed those earlier Zelena/Regina/Gideon scenes. But she's probably in it now for the rest of the night. https://twitter.com/bexonsnapchat/status/832063414189056000

      So I guess she's back out there doing more Oz scenes....or is this now a present-day Green Zelena? It looks like your typical woodsy area so idk. 

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    • Zelena is in 620, cos they're filming Oz scenes in her palace. Can we stop this fake rumor please?

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    • Belle's Boyfriend wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Interesting. So, Green Zelena, Zelena doing stunts, and Zelena with Gideon, while also likely having some childhood stuff.......this show, guys. HArd to predict, but somehow we see all the deaths coming a mile away.

      I doubt that they would kill her off, especially if other mains aren't renewing their contracts for S7. Unless the writers are trying to kill their own show XD

      Oh, I'm not talking about her death. I really doubt she'll die as it would be pointless. I was saying more about how we can predict who would die easier than what is going on. Example: We sort of knew Robin would die, but surely didn't know where the story was going, leading up to that event.

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    • Giles filmed with Jaime Murray today. This is episode #4 (?) for her. https://twitter.com/katmtan/status/832091021605416961

      And I'm not sure if this means Giles didn't actually film with Bex, but Lana only filmed with Bex.  https://twitter.com/YasminaSotelo/status/832058139037966347

      Bex as Green Zelena. https://twitter.com/AureRamon/status/832086256221822977

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    • 619 is starting tomorrow? Interesting, and hopefully that means Adam will post the episode title for it tomorrow or Friday then. Also, just in case it wasn't already super clear, those new pics of fans with Zelena confirm green Zelena is in flashback, as she has the pendant on.

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    • Some ep titles are kinda spoilery, like "The Queen is Dead" 

      Maybe 6x19 is "RIP Zelena"?

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Some ep titles are kinda spoilery, like "The Queen is Dead" 

      Maybe 6x19 is "RIP Zelena"?

      As I said 4 messages above this one, Zelena is appearing in 620 as there are Oz scenes in her royal chamber in this episode.

      Would be cool to stop spreading wrong things like Zelena is gonna die ^^

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    • Yeah, guys, Zelena is not going to die. If anything, she is one of the few characters to stay around if the show does a semi-hard reboot.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Here is Young Zelena's look. 

      https://twitter.com/YasminaSotelo/status/832500543188725760

      So are they still filming this episode, or are they on 619 already?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      Here is Young Zelena's look. 

      https://twitter.com/YasminaSotelo/status/832500543188725760

      So are they still filming this episode, or are they on 619 already?

      Kat posted yesterday that they had two units filming, one starting 6x19 in studio with the other mains, while Bex and Isabella were on-location finishing up 6x18. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      Here is Young Zelena's look. 

      https://twitter.com/YasminaSotelo/status/832500543188725760

      So are they still filming this episode, or are they on 619 already?
      Kat posted yesterday that they had two units filming, one starting 6x19 in studio with the other mains, while Bex and Isabella were on-location finishing up 6x18. 

      Cool, so Adam should be posting 619's title shortly.

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    • If Bex is wrapping up 6x18 I'm guessing she'll have a smaller role capacity in 6x19 or absent from the first section atleast.

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    • Is it just me, or does Young Zelena's outfit look... modern?

      It definitely doesn't look like despised-adoptive-daughter-of-a-poor-drunkard clothing.

      QueenOfHearts2 wrote:
      If Bex is wrapping up 6x18 I'm guessing she'll have a smaller role capacity in 6x19 or absent from the first section atleast.

      Not necessarily the first section; they don't film the episode in order (it's actually kind of weird that Once films the episodes in order). If there's any point at all that Zelena is absent in the episode - which is likely, since we probably aren't getting two Zelena-centrics in a row - they could be filming that.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Is it just me, or does Young Zelena's outfit look... modern?

      It definitely doesn't look like despised-adoptive-daughter-of-a-poor-drunkard clothing.


      QueenOfHearts2 wrote:
      If Bex is wrapping up 6x18 I'm guessing she'll have a smaller role capacity in 6x19 or absent from the first section atleast.
      Not necessarily the first section; they don't film the episode in order (it's actually kind of weird that Once films the episodes in order). If there's any point at all that Zelena is absent in the episode - which is likely, since we probably aren't getting two Zelena-centrics in a row - they could be filming that.

      Oz is a world with limited electricity and such, so it's no surprise that young Zelena's is slightly different, but it doesn't look modern anymore than EF (which is so disorganizingly forest hobbits and modernish queens).

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    • QueenOfHearts2 wrote:
      If Bex is wrapping up 6x18 I'm guessing she'll have a smaller role capacity in 6x19 or absent from the first section atleast.

      Movies, TV Episodes, etc. are not filmed with the scenes in order, so it just means she will not be in at least one scene in 619, which no character is in every scene of an episode anyway.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Is it just me, or does Young Zelena's outfit look... modern?

      It definitely doesn't look like despised-adoptive-daughter-of-a-poor-drunkard clothing.

      Hard to tell actually. That could just be a pic from a rehearsal shot. It is quite cold up in Vancouver at the moment, so the actors probably wear their outer garments as long as possible to prevent/limit exposure to the elements.

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    • So IMDB just added Alex Desert as "Stanum."

      Now, I don't recognize that name from anywhere, but a google search tells me that "stannum" is the latin word for "tin." And it's a Zelena episode, so....could he be the Tin Man? I don't think he's appeared yet on this show, right?

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      So IMDB just added Alex Desert as "Stanum."

      Now, I don't recognize that name from anywhere, but a google search tells me that "stannum" is the latin word for "tin." And it's a Zelena episode, so....could he be the Tin Man? I don't think he's appeared yet on this show, right?

      Yeah, I think he's surely the Tin Man. Clever wordplay.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      So IMDB just added Alex Desert as "Stanum."

      Now, I don't recognize that name from anywhere, but a google search tells me that "stannum" is the latin word for "tin." And it's a Zelena episode, so....could he be the Tin Man? I don't think he's appeared yet on this show, right?

      Yeah, I think he's surely the Tin Man. Clever wordplay.


      Saw it too. So, they'll continue the flashback story they began in 516. Meaning only the Lion will stay. So another Zelena flashback in S7?

      Plus the actor put that on his Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/BQnwnZAlats/?taken-by=alexdesertwashere

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    • I kind of like that they're telling the whole Oz story step by step not in just one episode, it's clever.

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    • Aw, he's not Zelena's dad. That's a serious missed opportunity.

      Okay, so if we're not getting Zelena's daddy issues as the backstory, that doesn't tie as easily into a present-day Robyn storyline. So what else could it be?

      The Tin Man is known for his compassion, so... I guess it's just going to be something forgiveness-y with Regina?

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      So IMDB just added Alex Desert as "Stanum."

      Now, I don't recognize that name from anywhere, but a google search tells me that "stannum" is the latin word for "tin." And it's a Zelena episode, so....could he be the Tin Man? I don't think he's appeared yet on this show, right?

      Most likely the Tinman. Kind of a waste that they didn't make Zelena's adopted father the Tinman, but oh well. I wonder if we get the Lion in this episode as well, or if they save him for later. Of course, the Lion can just be done as a non-speaking CGI part, so it will be hard to tell until the episode airs. Wonder if this means we see Dorothy or anything else. Also, I wonder what we see with Young Zelena that ties into this.

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    • Yeah, Young Zelena made a lot more sense when we thought it might still tie into her daddy issues.

      As nice as it would have been to see it be Zelena's father, it's nice to see them making a new character out of such a classic. Since they bothered to give him a unique name, it seems likely that he'll have a bigger role than the Scarecrow. Not necessarily, but there's a good chance.

      Also, since we got an actor, I'm betting that we'll see him be turned to tin, since once he's turned to tin he'd likely be CGI like August.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Yeah, Young Zelena made a lot more sense when we thought it might still tie into her daddy issues.

      As nice as it would have been to see it be Zelena's father, it's nice to see them making a new character out of such a classic. Since they bothered to give him a unique name, it seems likely that he'll have a bigger role than the Scarecrow. Not necessarily, but there's a good chance.

      Also, since we got an actor, I'm betting that we'll see him be turned to tin, since once he's turned to tin he'd likely be CGI like August.

      Technically, he could be CGI the whole time. The Scarecrow was, but Paul Sheer still got a credit for voicing him. And it is worth noting that one of Alex Desert's credits is for an animated tv show, meaning he's done voice over work before.

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    • So, there's an honest chance for Tinman? Cool! I'll be surprised if he's not Zelena's pop though.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Yeah, Young Zelena made a lot more sense when we thought it might still tie into her daddy issues.

      As nice as it would have been to see it be Zelena's father, it's nice to see them making a new character out of such a classic. Since they bothered to give him a unique name, it seems likely that he'll have a bigger role than the Scarecrow. Not necessarily, but there's a good chance.

      Also, since we got an actor, I'm betting that we'll see him be turned to tin, since once he's turned to tin he'd likely be CGI like August.

      Technically, he could be CGI the whole time. The Scarecrow was, but Paul Sheer still got a credit for voicing him. And it is worth noting that one of Alex Desert's credits is for an animated tv show, meaning he's done voice over work before.

      But we didn't find out about the Scarecrow until he was shown in the promo because there was no way for anyone to know about him. Since he was listed on IMDb, that means someone found out about him somehow, so he was probably on set. (Though he could have just been a stand-in so that they would make the CGI match his proportions...)

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Yeah, Young Zelena made a lot more sense when we thought it might still tie into her daddy issues.

      As nice as it would have been to see it be Zelena's father, it's nice to see them making a new character out of such a classic. Since they bothered to give him a unique name, it seems likely that he'll have a bigger role than the Scarecrow. Not necessarily, but there's a good chance.

      Also, since we got an actor, I'm betting that we'll see him be turned to tin, since once he's turned to tin he'd likely be CGI like August.

      Technically, he could be CGI the whole time. The Scarecrow was, but Paul Sheer still got a credit for voicing him. And it is worth noting that one of Alex Desert's credits is for an animated tv show, meaning he's done voice over work before.
      But we didn't find out about the Scarecrow until he was shown in the promo because there was no way for anyone to know about him. Since he was listed on IMDb, that means someone found out about him somehow, so he was probably on set. (Though he could have just been a stand-in so that they would make the CGI match his proportions...)

      If they go by book canon, he should be both a normal man and then later be made of tin, so it may be we see him both ways. Maybe we see him as regular with Young Zelena, and tin with Adult Zelena.

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    • I'm looking forward to the possibility of Tinman appearing. A part of me believes he'll end up dead on the side of the yellow brick road, since we apparently glimpsed his remains in "heart of Gold."

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    • So we haven't heard anything about this episode since the suspected Tinman casting? I'm still curious as to how a Zelena centric fits in at this point in the show, between what appears to be a Snowing centric and a Black Fairy centric.

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    • Crazy thought. the second half is supposed to be about Saviourology. And we already know that Emma and Aladdin are saviors, and we highly suspect that Tiger Lily may come in as one as well. What if the Oz episode does something to reveal the Savior for Oz (whether is Zelena, Dorothy, or some new character).  I suggest that because part of one of the interviews with A&E suggested that we would see a Saviour 'gang' fighting together.

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    • I think it's just Tiger Lily, or more specifically, the one that will defeat Black Fairy and save the Dark Realm.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Crazy thought. the second half is supposed to be about Saviourology. And we already know that Emma and Aladdin are saviors, and we highly suspect that Tiger Lily may come in as one as well. What if the Oz episode does something to reveal the Savior for Oz (whether is Zelena, Dorothy, or some new character).  I suggest that because part of one of the interviews with A&E suggested that we would see a Saviour 'gang' fighting together.

      ...i've been saying this for weeks

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Crazy thought. the second half is supposed to be about Saviourology. And we already know that Emma and Aladdin are saviors, and we highly suspect that Tiger Lily may come in as one as well. What if the Oz episode does something to reveal the Savior for Oz (whether is Zelena, Dorothy, or some new character).  I suggest that because part of one of the interviews with A&E suggested that we would see a Saviour 'gang' fighting together.

      It would be cool if the savior of Oz was Princess Ozma, I hope some of you know who that is

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Crazy thought. the second half is supposed to be about Saviourology. And we already know that Emma and Aladdin are saviors, and we highly suspect that Tiger Lily may come in as one as well. What if the Oz episode does something to reveal the Savior for Oz (whether is Zelena, Dorothy, or some new character).  I suggest that because part of one of the interviews with A&E suggested that we would see a Saviour 'gang' fighting together.
      It would be cool if the savior of Oz was Princess Ozma, I hope some of you know who that is

      Well, Ozma/Tip was a savior of sorts in the Oz books, so it only makes sense.

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    • As much as I'd like to see them introduce Ozma, I really do think it would make more sense for Zelena, and it would also give her something to do rather than introduce a completely new character while there are still characters doing nothing :P (Dorothy would also be tolerable in this case.)

      Although there is one hole in the theory: based on Gideon's speeches, there can only be one Savior at a time (he can't save the Dark Realm unless he kills Emma first). Aladdin is an exception since he lost his powers. So unless Gideon is wrong, that means any other Saviors we'll be seeing will be flashback only.

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    • If that's the case, how will we get that supposed savior teamup? I'd say that Gideon is either misguided (probably by mommie dearest), or just doesn't know the rules (assuming that there are rules). I find it hard to believe that there can only be one savior at a time. I mean, we actually had multiple Dark Ones at the same time (if even for a brief period).

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    • Official confirmation of Tin Man for this episode, including his actor. Another win for IMDb this year. And we're also getting the Cowardly Lion! http://tvline.com/2017/03/14/the-flash-season-3-spoilers-savitar-identity-revealed/

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Official confirmation of Tin Man for this episode, including his actor. Another win for IMDb this year. And we're also getting the Cowardly Lion! http://tvline.com/2017/03/14/the-flash-season-3-spoilers-savitar-identity-revealed/

      Alright, I'm getting more and more excited for this episode!

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote: Official confirmation of Tin Man for this episode, including his actor. Another win for IMDb this year. And we're also getting the Cowardly Lion! http://tvline.com/2017/03/14/the-flash-season-3-spoilers-savitar-identity-revealed/

      Finally. Now we will finally see the the tin man and Lion in action. There's no doubt that we may see how Zelena got their heart and courage. But since Charming's sword is his courage, I wonder what kind of thing. Is the lion's courage.

      Now all we need to see next is how Dorothy saves her three friends and interferes with Zelena's first attempt of a time travel spell. Hope they reveal it for a possible s7. And maybe Dorothy would return next season for both present and flashback along with Toto, the Scarecrow, Tin Man and Lion. Including the other friends of hers and Snow's like Red and Mulan.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      DatNuttyKid wrote: Official confirmation of Tin Man for this episode, including his actor. Another win for IMDb this year. And we're also getting the Cowardly Lion! http://tvline.com/2017/03/14/the-flash-season-3-spoilers-savitar-identity-revealed/

      Finally. Now we will finally see the the tin man and Lion in action. There's no doubt that we may see how Zelena got their heart and courage. But since Charming's sword is his courage, I wonder what kind of thing. Is the lion's courage.

      Now all we need to see next is how Dorothy saves her three friends and interferes with Zelena's first attempt of a time travel spell. Hope they reveal it for a possible s7. And maybe Dorothy would return next season for both present and flashback along with Toto, the Scarecrow, Tin Man and Lion. Including the other friends of hers and Snow's like Red and Mulan.

      The Lion's courage could be a piece of his mane, or some "embodiment" of his roar, or something else like that.

      I think we'll probably see the time travel spell fail in this episode. Since we're getting both the Tin Man and the Lion, there's not likely to be a focus on either of them, which means the focus will likely be on Zelena (and possibly Dorothy) instead, and her failure would fit in with that quite well. especially if it's some sort of savior awakening thing I do wonder, though, where she intends to get her newborn baby from...?

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      DatNuttyKid wrote: Official confirmation of Tin Man for this episode, including his actor. Another win for IMDb this year. And we're also getting the Cowardly Lion! http://tvline.com/2017/03/14/the-flash-season-3-spoilers-savitar-identity-revealed/

      Finally. Now we will finally see the the tin man and Lion in action. There's no doubt that we may see how Zelena got their heart and courage. But since Charming's sword is his courage, I wonder what kind of thing. Is the lion's courage.

      Now all we need to see next is how Dorothy saves her three friends and interferes with Zelena's first attempt of a time travel spell. Hope they reveal it for a possible s7. And maybe Dorothy would return next season for both present and flashback along with Toto, the Scarecrow, Tin Man and Lion. Including the other friends of hers and Snow's like Red and Mulan.

      The Lion's courage could be a piece of his mane, or some "embodiment" of his roar, or something else like that.

      I think we'll probably see the time travel spell fail in this episode. Since we're getting both the Tin Man and the Lion, there's not likely to be a focus on either of them, which means the focus will likely be on Zelena (and possibly Dorothy) instead, and her failure would fit in with that quite well. especially if it's some sort of savior awakening thing I do wonder, though, where she intends to get her newborn baby from...?

      If the spell does get shattered in this ep, the question is, will Dorothy appear? There has been no announcement of her adult actress to return. Unless Zelena finds out that it is not working because she'll realize that she needs a baby that has Family blood of Eva. Which is why Prince Neal was the key.
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    • Unfortunately I think they would have announced it if Dorothy was coming back.

      But excited for this episode! I like that with Oz we got a seasons-long full backstory.

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    • AlbOuat wrote: Unfortunately I think they would have announced it if Dorothy was coming back.

      But excited for this episode! I like that with Oz we got a seasons-long full backstory.

      Well almost a long backstory of Oz.

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    • I can't wait for this episode. I'm so happy we're getting the Tinman and the Lion, because I've been waiting to see them since we got the Scarecrow last year.

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    • Me too! But I am slightly dissapointed that Dorothy's not involved and Tinman isn't Zelena's adopted father.

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    • I'm sad that Zelena's adopted father isn't the Tin Man too.

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    • MrCaptainA wrote:
      I'm sad that Zelena's adopted father isn't the Tin Man too.

      If she follows the pattern, she likely killed him.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      MrCaptainA wrote:
      I'm sad that Zelena's adopted father isn't the Tin Man too.
      If she follows the pattern, she likely killed him.

      Probs, have we ever seen Zelena directly kill someone? We've seen Regina kill people, Rumple kill people, Hook kill people, I don't recall ever seeing Zelena kill anyone (attepmped yes) and there was Neal of course, but she didn't kill him directly like crushing his heart for example. It would not suprise me to see Zelena kill someone, but have we ever seen her do that on the show?

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      MrCaptainA wrote:
      I'm sad that Zelena's adopted father isn't the Tin Man too.
      If she follows the pattern, she likely killed him.
      Probs, have we ever seen Zelena directly kill someone? We've seen Regina kill people, Rumple kill people, Hook kill people, I don't recall ever seeing Zelena kill anyone (attepmped yes) and there was Neal of course, but she didn't kill him directly like crushing his heart for example. It would not suprise me to see Zelena kill someone, but have we ever seen her do that on the show?

      Yep. The longer the show, the more likely everyone gets at least one kill. Zelena killed Marian and a guard. But don't be surprised, even Henry has killed: the Quill (which is somehow living).

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      MrCaptainA wrote:
      I'm sad that Zelena's adopted father isn't the Tin Man too.
      If she follows the pattern, she likely killed him.
      Probs, have we ever seen Zelena directly kill someone? We've seen Regina kill people, Rumple kill people, Hook kill people, I don't recall ever seeing Zelena kill anyone (attepmped yes) and there was Neal of course, but she didn't kill him directly like crushing his heart for example. It would not suprise me to see Zelena kill someone, but have we ever seen her do that on the show?
      Yep. The longer the show, the more likely everyone gets at least one kill. Zelena killed Marian and a guard. But don't be surprised, even Henry has killed: the Quill (which is somehow living).

      I forgot about Marian, sorry. I'm not sure if she killed that guard or just stunned him, but now I remember. Also i'm not sure if Henry snapping the quill counts since the quill is not technically a person.

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      MrCaptainA wrote:
      I'm sad that Zelena's adopted father isn't the Tin Man too.
      If she follows the pattern, she likely killed him.
      Probs, have we ever seen Zelena directly kill someone? We've seen Regina kill people, Rumple kill people, Hook kill people, I don't recall ever seeing Zelena kill anyone (attepmped yes) and there was Neal of course, but she didn't kill him directly like crushing his heart for example. It would not suprise me to see Zelena kill someone, but have we ever seen her do that on the show?
      Yep. The longer the show, the more likely everyone gets at least one kill. Zelena killed Marian and a guard. But don't be surprised, even Henry has killed: the Quill (which is somehow living).
      I forgot about Marian, sorry. I'm not sure if she killed that guard or just stunned him, but now I remember. Also i'm not sure if Henry snapping the quill counts since the quill is not technically a person.

      She disintegrated the Emerald Palace's guard's head and Hades comments on it (5x16: Our Decay). The Quill is a living entity. The Quill ended up in the UW with unfinished business after Henry broke it. Thus Henry is a killer. (Lol, you can be a killer even if you don't kill humans.)

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      MrCaptainA wrote:
      I'm sad that Zelena's adopted father isn't the Tin Man too.
      If she follows the pattern, she likely killed him.
      Probs, have we ever seen Zelena directly kill someone? We've seen Regina kill people, Rumple kill people, Hook kill people, I don't recall ever seeing Zelena kill anyone (attepmped yes) and there was Neal of course, but she didn't kill him directly like crushing his heart for example. It would not suprise me to see Zelena kill someone, but have we ever seen her do that on the show?

      Besides the things Esk mentioned, we also saw Zelena kill Boq the munchkin and "kill" the Scarecrow.

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    • IMDB is reporting this actor is playing Bully. Make of that what you will:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2289568/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t14

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    • Perhaps he bullies Young Zelena...?

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    • Boq the munchkin? 

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    • In "Our Decay", after Dorothy rescues the Scarecrow in the beginning, we see Zelena in the Munchkin village, and she clearly disintegrates one of the Munchkins right before Hades shows up for their initial meeting. I am assuming that to be Boq that Zelena disintegrated.

      Also, let we forget, Zelena is the one responsible for killing Hades.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      In "Our Decay", after Dorothy rescues the Scarecrow in the beginning, we see Zelena in the Munchkin village, and she clearly disintegrates one of the Munchkins right before Hades shows up for their initial meeting. I am assuming that to be Boq that Zelena disintegrated.

      Also, let we forget, Zelena is the one responsible for killing Hades.

      She specifically called him Boq :P

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    • Still trying to figure out how a Zelena-centric fits in at this point. I mean I'm happy we are getting one, especially if we get to see the Tinman and the Lion, but it is just so random.

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    • Me too. Maybe the BF  did something that had an impact on her life in Oz?

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    • My theory is that Zelena was the one who had a journey through Oz with Tinman and Lion, instead of Dorothy. And the BF is the fairy that guided her on the golden road.

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    • I wonder if Regina and Zelena are related to Ozma - cousins? The new girl could be introduced here, but by filming in studio, the casting didn't have to be announced. In one of the Oz books, a cousin helps protect Oz, and she is invited to stay there. Could that be why the mains possibly end up in Oz in the finale? Zelena might have more to do with the plot than we thought. Has she ever really, clearly been redeemed?

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    • Cora has no none siblings or relatives and they live in the EF if they did. Ozma would likely be related to the royal family of Oz. So, I'm certain they wouldn't be related.

      The little gil was casted late and I don't think they'd film and produce the episode then cast a character so far later.

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    • Castings sometimes aren't announced until they have to film outside, like Storybrooke. I'm sure most of the flashback was filmed in studio. But anyway, depending on how far back the flashback goes, the girl may not even be born yet. Just trying to figure out how a Zelena centric would make sense at this point.

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    • In less than 12 hours we get the promo for what should be an excitingly out-there episode. We get to see the Ozian trio and maybe Black Fairy confronting Zelena (in past or present).

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    • I almost died with the Promo for this episode. Black fairy vs. Zelena!!!!!!!!! :D

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    • So the connection seems to be that Black is going to go to Zelena for help, and she is going to need Zelena's ingredients from the first go at a time travel spell (Scarecrow's Brain, Tinman's Heart, Lion's Courage). Which also explains the flashback. Interesting.

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    • Add Bex and it gets exciting!

      Tin Man's heart and a black crystal. I knew Black would need help otherwise she wouldn't bother with Rumple. It's likely some way around the "thing you love most" requirement.

      "I came down here for one reason- to KILL YOU!" Zelena stays in my top five villainesses of Once.

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    • This episode looks amazing!!

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    • Tinman's heart? How did I miss that?

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    • I'm a little afraid that Zelena is going to die in this episode. There's no real set-up for anyone to die in the finale (besides Emma, who seems likely to appear in Season 7), but this episode seems to wrap up all of the backstories we really are waiting for from Zelena (how her time travel spell failed) and the Black Fairy is apparently going after her baby...

      So here are the important questions: 1) Is the Black Fairy trying to cast a time travel spell? and 2) If she is, why?

      Less important question: 3) How is Tiger Lily going to be involved?

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    • Zelena is in like every episode after this, so unless she's ghosting....

      1. I think it's probably a Mega-curse.

      2. Good question.

      3. Tigerlily was probably just a fairy friend. Both students under the cruel reign of Reul Ghorm. XD

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    • This seems so random.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Zelena is in like every episode after this, so unless she's ghosting....

      1. I think it's probably a Mega-curse.

      2. Good question.

      3. Tigerlily was probably just a fairy friend. Both students under the cruel reign of Reul Ghorm. XD

      Oh, good point. Fears dispersed. (Somewhat.)

      I understand what Tiger Lily's role will be in the rest of the season - particularly in 6x19, which will apparently be her backstory episode as well as Fiona's (I'm rolling with that for Black's real name) - but how will she appear in this episode? The backstory is of Zelena and present-day Tiger is still in Neverland.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Add Bex and it gets exciting!

      Tin Man's heart and a black crystal. I knew Black would need help otherwise she wouldn't bother with Rumple. It's likely some way around the "thing you love most" requirement.

      "I came down here for one reason- to KILL YOU!" Zelena stays in my top five villainesses of Once.

      I wonder if the black crystal is the piece of wand that Tiger Lily gave to Hook who gave to Emma, or is that the Lion's courage? It looks like it could be part of a lion's claw or something.

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    • They cast young Zelena in this, so the flashback likely takes place before she became the wicked witch. I'm thinking the tin man and lion were at one point Zelena's friends. This flashback might take place at around the same time as Sisters.

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    • Begfhn wrote:
      They cast young Zelena in this, so the flashback likely takes place before she became the wicked witch. I'm thinking the tin man and lion were at one point Zelena's friends. This flashback might take place at around the same time as Sisters.

      It will be a multi-part flashback, as Bex also filmed as green Zelena with pendant.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Add Bex and it gets exciting!

      Tin Man's heart and a black crystal. I knew Black would need help otherwise she wouldn't bother with Rumple. It's likely some way around the "thing you love most" requirement.

      "I came down here for one reason- to KILL YOU!" Zelena stays in my top five villainesses of Once.

      I wonder if the black crystal is the piece of wand that Tiger Lily gave to Hook who gave to Emma, or is that the Lion's courage? It looks like it could be part of a lion's claw or something.

      I would say more likely some form of the Lion's courage. A claw is a good guess - after all, David's sword was the representative for the second attempt.

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    • I have a theory: Zelena's first attempt at time travel failed because of Oz. Specifically, the fact that her ingredients came from natives of Oz and could only create a portal to the past of Oz. This would be a plausable reason for her child self to appear.

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    • Pretty sure baby Robin is the symbol of innocence Black needs for the time travel spell.

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    • Robin's the only innocence left I guess, considering Baby Neal has had long enough lifespan to be encountering enough good will and magic from his parents whereas Zelena is still Anti-Heroine boarderline Evil still with her Father dead.

      I guess it makes more sense for the BF to target Robin moreso than Neal.

      Also I doubt Zelena dies (Whoever said this) considering there's more reports of Zelena going forth from this Episode.

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    • Or maybe Neal can't be used because he was already used to cast the spell

      The question would be.... why does the BF want to cast that spell??

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    • I would say there are two possible questions: 1) Why does the BF want to cast the time travel spell? or 2) What other spell exists that uses the same ingredients?

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    • Guess we're not getting the press release today. Sigh.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: Guess we're not getting the press release today. Sigh.

      Yesterday was Easter. Many businesses take the Monday after Easter off. I assume ABC's offices do.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: Guess we're not getting the press release today. Sigh.

      Yesterday was Easter. Many businesses take the Monday after Easter off. I assume ABC's offices do.

      True, although maybe this is the new normal. We got 617's press release late as well, and there was no holiday last week that would have prevented it posting on Monday.

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    • Palm Sunday? XD Maybe they also take the day after Palm Sunday off lol

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    • Either of your suggestions are possible XD Both are significant Christian holidays.

      They also took very few promo images for 617 as compared the average.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Or maybe Neal can't be used because he was already used to cast the spell

      The question would be.... why does the BF want to cast that spell??


      So she never loses her wings? Maybe from her relationsip with Pan/having Rumple? (being the cause I'd guess)

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    • On the episode titled “Where Bluebirds Fly” – In flashback, Zelena befriends a young woodcutter who has been cursed and turns to her for help finding a new heart. Zelena is forced to choose between keeping her powers and her friendship with him. Meanwhile, in Storybrooke, Zelena decides to take on the Black Fairy and put a stop to her, once and for all, against Regina’s wishes, and the Charmings disagree over Emma and Hook’s wedding plans, on “Once Upon a Time,” SUNDAY, APRIL 23 (8:00–9:00 p.m. EDT), on The ABC Television Network. 

      “Once Upon a Time” stars Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Lana Parrilla as the Evil Queen/Regina, Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David, Emilie de Ravin as Belle, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook, Jared S. Gilmore as Henry Mills, Rebecca Mader as the Wicked Witch/Zelena and Robert Carlyle as Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold.

      Guest starring are Keegan Connor Tracy as Mother Superior Blue Fairy, Beverly Elliott as Granny, Giles Matthey as Gideon, Jaime Murray as Black Fairy, Alex Desert as Stanum, Austin Obiajunwa as Young Stanum, Dylan Sloane as Bully, Jorden Birch as Oz Guard #1 and Isabella Black-Thomas as Young Zelena. 

      “Where Bluebirds Fly ” was written by David H. Goodman and Bridgette Hales and directed by Michael Shultz. 

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    • Excited about this Zelena flashback and some great Zelena/Regina scenes! Hope there will be a resolution for this relationship. 

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    • Zelena goes rogue on BF! Momzilla Snow!! 

      Is it Sunday yet?!?!?!?! I can hardly wait now

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    • I see there's no "Cowardly Lion" listed in the credits, so he's probably just CGI, right?

      Zelena's backstory sounds a little bit like Gideon's from 6x16, a betrayal of a friend who she'll come across again as an adult. 

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    • So Stanum is going to be a childhood friend of Zelena's? That would explain the young Zelena flashback. Unfortunately for him, we all know what choice Zelena is going to make... I wonder how the Cowardly Lion comes in.

      This press release has another typo - Isabella Black-Thomas instead of Isabella Blake-Thomas. This is honestly getting a little embarrassing.

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    • While I often try to give Emma a pass, I cant help but see something wrong here.

      1. Zelena decides to take on BF. 2. Zelena had some past. 3. Emma and Hook fight with Charmings over wedding plans.

      I thinks something's a bit off. This is partially why I feel as if the writers write the episodes in a vacuum.

      6x11- Gideon attacks Emma

      6x12- Emma goes canoeing.

      6x13- Gideon steals the Blue Fairy's magic

      6x14- Gideon sends Hook away

      6x15- Emma goes drinking.

      6x16- Gideon betrays Emma.

      6x17- Black Fairy encounters Emma.

      6x18- Emma gets in a wedding plan fight.

      6x19- I guess BF is defeated.

      Sigh...

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      While I often try to give Emma a pass, I cant help but see something wrong here.

      1. Zelena decides to take on BF. 2. Zelena had some past. 3. Emma and Hook fight with Charmings over wedding plans.

      I thinks something's a bit off. This is partially why I feel as if the writers write the episodes in a vacuum.

      6x11- Gideon attacks Emma 6x12- Emma goes canoeing. 6x13- Gideon steals the Blue Fairy's magic 6x14- Gideon sends Hook away 6x15- Emma goes drinking. 6x16- Gideon betrays Emma. 6x17- Black Fairy encounters Emma. 6x18- Emma gets in a wedding plan fight. 6x19- I guess BF is defeated.

      Sigh...

      The press release only says Snow and Charming are in the fight (besides the vaguer "Charmings" terminology in the summary; the little blurb at the top is more specific). Emma could be up to other things.

      Although I kind of have a problem with Snow and Charming fighting over Emma and Hook's wedding since Emma should be involved (though not right now because of reasons you've already kind of stated). We'll see how it goes.

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    • "The Charmings disagree over Emma and Hook's wedding plans." I wonder if that was what they were arguing about in those filming pics. Also, do they mean Snow and David disagree with each other or they both disagree with Emma and Killian? I'm thinking they meant the first one. 

      This episode looks really exciting. I hope they do it justice.

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    • Maybe Zelena turned the "bully" from her childhood into the Cowardly Lion?

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      Maybe Zelena turned the "bully" from her childhood into the Cowardly Lion?

      Probably. Get the whole trio done.

      I'll give the episode the benefit of the doubt. The script tease does make it seem as if Regina gathers forces, Zelena bolts off, Emma goes off to do some stuff with Snow.

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      Maybe Zelena turned the "bully" from her childhood into the Cowardly Lion?

      That's brilliant.

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    • Blue's back? So, did Gideon get a "change of heart"? XD

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    • I think the Charmings stuff will be similiar to when they were supposed to go house hounting back in season 2, just a little bit of dialogue to light the heavy main plot of the episode. 

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      I think the Charmings stuff will be similiar to when they were supposed to go house hounting back in season 2, just a little bit of dialogue to light the heavy main plot of the episode. 

      Hope so. Perhaps even, Emma tries to focus on Black, but her parents are giddy about the wedding. (even though that would be weird given the last episode).

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      AlbOuat wrote:
      I think the Charmings stuff will be similiar to when they were supposed to go house hounting back in season 2, just a little bit of dialogue to light the heavy main plot of the episode. 
      Hope so. Perhaps even, Emma tries to focus on Black, but her parents are giddy about the wedding. (even though that would be weird given the last episode).

      Knowing Snow, it's a good possibility. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      I see there's no "Cowardly Lion" listed in the credits, so he's probably just CGI, right?

      Zelena's backstory sounds a little bit like Gideon's from 6x16, a betrayal of a friend who she'll come across again as an adult. 

      Often CGI characters don't get a press release credit, even when they are voiced. The Scarecrow last year and Pinnoccio this year are two examples. I'm hoping the Lion is voiced, and we'll get the actor in the actual episode credits.

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      Maybe Zelena turned the "bully" from her childhood into the Cowardly Lion?

      That could work. In that case, we already know who's voicing the Lion.

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    • Overall looks like a decent episode. I'm a bit bummed we don't get Dorothy, but oh well. Also, I think it would be cool if the Scarecrow appears somehow, since the Tinman and Lion are, but I'm not holding my breath. Also, seems Tiger Lily is not in this episode. Oh well. Finally, it is interested they cast a younger and older Stantum (Tinman). If anyone wants to compare the actors:

      https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNTA1NjcxNGYtMmU1My00NmE3LWIyNzYtMGRhZTY3ZTNkNGRhXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNjU0NTYwMjg@._V1_UX214_CR0,0,214,317_AL_.jpg

      Alex_Desert.jpg

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    • that would be cool, but I'm not expecting it. The show has, with the exception of Jiminy Cricket, stayed away from the talking animal aspects of the stories they adapt. 

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    • Maybe Snow wants the wedding to take place during the muscial episode and David doesn't XD

      Seriously..... their very first episode together after breaking the curse and they are arguing???

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      Maybe Zelena turned the "bully" from her childhood into the Cowardly Lion?

      LOL I thought Bully was the name of the guy 

      But yeah, that makes sense

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Overall looks like a decent episode. I'm a bit bummed we don't get Dorothy, but oh well. Also, I think it would be cool if the Scarecrow appears somehow, since the Tinman and Lion are, but I'm not holding my breath. Also, seems Tiger Lily is not in this episode. Oh well. Finally, it is interested they cast a younger and older Stantum (Tinman). If anyone wants to compare the actors:

      https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNTA1NjcxNGYtMmU1My00NmE3LWIyNzYtMGRhZTY3ZTNkNGRhXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNjU0NTYwMjg@._V1_UX214_CR0,0,214,317_AL_.jpg

      Alex_Desert.jpg

      I think that might be an old picture of Alex Desert. They look kind of close to the same age in these pictures.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Overall looks like a decent episode. I'm a bit bummed we don't get Dorothy, but oh well. Also, I think it would be cool if the Scarecrow appears somehow, since the Tinman and Lion are, but I'm not holding my breath. Also, seems Tiger Lily is not in this episode. Oh well. Finally, it is interested they cast a younger and older Stantum (Tinman). If anyone wants to compare the actors:

      https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNTA1NjcxNGYtMmU1My00NmE3LWIyNzYtMGRhZTY3ZTNkNGRhXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNjU0NTYwMjg@._V1_UX214_CR0,0,214,317_AL_.jpg

      Alex_Desert.jpg

      I think that might be an old picture of Alex Desert. They look kind of close to the same age in these pictures.

      It's probably a bit old, but gives you an idea. Alex might be in Tinman mode the whole time anyway.

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    • http://www.spoilertv.com/2017/04/once-upon-time-episode-618-where.html

      Promo pics are up. Tin Man looks good, plus Regina with a black weapon, I suppose? Perhaps it's another part of the wand Tiger Lily mentioned last ep. 

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    • I wonder if that is indeed what that short wand turned out to be. I wonder what Zelena has the special heart for.

      It seems that Black is looking through a crystal ball for some reason.

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    • Promo pics are decent. The Tinman seems more like a guy in armor then a man turned into tin though. I think it would have been fine if just his head was flesh, but he has flesh hands too, which imply his entire arms are flesh. I'm just a bit confused, but I'll have to see how they explain it in the episode.

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    • Sneak peek #1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnCxNQAPeCI

      I like "normal" moments like these on the show. Lol at Snow actually considering Granny's as a wedding venue though!

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Sneak peek #1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnCxNQAPeCI

      I like "normal" moments like these on the show. Lol at Snow actually considering Granny's as a wedding venue though!


      What I see there is that, even with a full Zelena centric episode, they still find a way to NOT show her and to promote the wedding.

      I mean, for once it is a Zelena-centric, I'd like to see her in the sneak peeks.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      What I see there is that, even with a full Zelena centric episode, they still find a way to NOT show her and to promote the wedding.

      I mean, for once it is a Zelena-centric, I'd like to see her in the sneak peeks.

      The actual episode promo features Zelena heavily and so do the promo pics. I'll cross my fingers for a Zelena sneak peek for you tomorrow! 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      What I see there is that, even with a full Zelena centric episode, they still find a way to NOT show her and to promote the wedding.

      I mean, for once it is a Zelena-centric, I'd like to see her in the sneak peeks.

      The actual episode promo features Zelena heavily and so do the promo pics. I'll cross my fingers for a Zelena sneak peek for you tomorrow! 


      Thanks ^^ But comparing to the rest of the season, not like the promo and pics are so much in comparison.

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    • I'm with Lady. I may be a tad harsh on Hook-Emma, but when we in spoiler country see tens of articles and news about the wedding, you sort of want to see what else is there. Especially if this could be Zelena's last centric. 

      One thing that we know is that sneak peeks are generally the first couple minutes, so... Nonetheless, I'm still hyped and bothered that Zelena is the one that wants to take the Black Fairy on. (Like toss her in Pandora's box, then get married before she breaks out.)

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    • The Saviors wedding at a diner? C'mon Snow lol! 

      Hopefully the second sneek peek will give us something related to the Zelena vs BF drama 

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    • I totally thought the same thing about the sneak peek. Poor Zelena, can't even get a sneak peek about her in her own centric. Now we know why she's green with envy. XD

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    • I wanted OZ myself:{

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      (Like toss her in Pandora's box, then get married before she breaks out.)

      LOL.... that would be way too easy!!!!

      JennaMae wrote:
      Lol at Snow actually considering Granny's as a wedding venue though!

      Bless David, and his passive-agressiveness. I seem to recall much of the drama going down at Granny's. Barely any happy moments happened in that scraphole.

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    • My god... the wedding at Granny's?

      Is Snow for real with that? LOL

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    • I predict the next sneak peek will be Black Fairy with Gideon at the Well (because it's at night when the rest of the show is during the day), Black and Zelena, or one with Zelena. If I am wrong.....

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      I predict the next sneak peek will be Black Fairy with Gideon at the Well (because it's at night when the rest of the show is during the day), Black and Zelena, or one with Zelena. If I am wrong.....

      Seems you were right, it's Black and Zelena. Reminds me of when Dark Swan asked for Zelena's help. 

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    • As I saw on the video comment, I wonder if Black Fairy is after Zelena's magical ability. The press release shows Young Zelena has to choose between magic and her friend, she doesn't. So, could it be that the present day that Black wants Zelena's magic or she'll take her baby. That could be what the dark crystal is. (Like unlike the clear crystal that held her magic willingly, this one simply strips her of her powers and absorbs it.) Could be reason why Zelena gets a car....since she can't poof.

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    • I really hope they'll reveal Zelena as a Savior. After all, they said that we would have met another one, so unless it's one of the two mystery characters from the finale, Zelena is the only option left.

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      I really hope they'll reveal Zelena as a Savior. After all, they said that we would have met another one, so unless it's one of the two mystery characters from the finale, Zelena is the only option left.

      Yeah, I'd hope something. The only issue is that Zelena's magic is so tainted with Envy that she can't wash it out. So, if she does somehow relinquishes her dark magic, but the twist is she has light magic galore, then I'll be happy with that. 

      Since TL is a fairy and we won't be seeing anyone else but a moody guy and a little girl, Zelena is a fair bet. (Unless the other savior is a random person in a flashback).

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    • From EW's spoiler room:

      "Plus: Someone will make a big sacrifice during Sunday’s episode in a bid to take down the Black Fairy."

      I don't think Zelena is gonna die because she was seen on set for other episodes, so maybe she abandons Robin? Or gives up her magic? 

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    • AlbOuat wrote: From EW's spoiler room:

      "Plus: Someone will make a big sacrifice during Sunday’s episode in a bid to take down the Black Fairy."

      I don't think Zelena is gonna die because she was seen on set for other episodes, so maybe she abandons Robin? Or gives up her magic? 

      Yep, banking on magic. That's why Regina then gifts her a car which we see she use later. She often went on and on earlier in the season about why use a car when you can poof. And if I can make an anti-Emma statement (which I Wouldn't take seriously):

      Can't we just make Zelena the Savior? She's been saving the day more than Emma has! She's even sacrificing to defeat this great evil while Emmma goes shopping!

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    • Yay! Second sneak peek acually had Zelena. Looks like fun.

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    • Uh -oh now Zelena has to go into protective mommy-mode. BF may not want to touch baby Robin again!

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    • AlbOuat wrote:

      Or gives up her magic? 

      Why tho?

      It would be easier to leave town with Robin

      1. The spell on the townline was already taken down

      2. Out of town, Zelena would be powerless, so would be the Black Fairy so she can't follow her

      3. Zelena already knows how to live in the "real world", aka New York

      4. She can use magic to make herself a millionaire and then leave and have a comfortable life

      5. When the Black Fairy menace ends, she can return (if she wants) and get her powers back

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      AlbOuat wrote:
      Or gives up her magic? 
      Why tho?

      It would be easier to leave town with Robin

      1. The spell on the townline was already taken down

      2. Out of town, Zelena would be powerless, so would be the Black Fairy so she can't follow her

      3. Zelena already knows how to live in the "real world", aka New York

      4. She can use magic to make herself a millionaire and then leave and have a comfortable life

      5. When the Black Fairy menace ends, she can return (if she wants) and get her powers back

      This sounds good for Zelena, secure for Robin and logic in general, so is not gonna happen hahahaha.

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    • That is, as long as the writers write Bex out. I don't think so; Mader will want to be back, and if the purpose of cutting down on the cast is cutting costs, then removing Ginny already saved them a lot, and writing off Bex is pointless; She's the cheapest actor in the main cast. I think y'all are reading too much into the car scene, and F3 agrees that Bex has a 90% chance of coming back for s7.

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    • I'm ready for a wicked episode tonight. Unfortunatly, my job is having a mandatory work meeting (ugh), so I will be a bit late watching it.

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