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    Episode airing
    23:59, April 9, 2017

    Written by Adam & Eddy. Teleplay by Paul Karp. 

    https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/817262691949506560

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    • Title is from a Rolling Stones song about drug use.

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    • This is the worst episode title so far....

      My god....

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    • It does seem strange on the surface. 

      But a mother acting like she's on drugs? Sounds like it might be referring to the Black Fairy....

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    • Yes, it could be. Especially because it was written by A&E

      Or it could be Belle/Gideon episode

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    • I think this is a Black Fairy/ Gideon Flashback ep, revealing why he wants to kill Emma

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    • How the Black Fairy raised Gideon in the flashback, and in the present it may be about Belle/Gideon, and then revealing the Black Fairy at the end of the episode.

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    • Giles has already told a fan that he'll be in this episode. For some reason, the comments don't show up on the online site, but it's under this photo on the app: http://www.instagram.com/p/BO1QwsJjQ9F/

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    • First thought was Zelena and a partially aged up Robin because why not!

      Since A&E are writing this, it should at least have the black fairy. I would say it's about Black fairy, but it's definitely looking to be about Gideon (Unless we'll be having two back stories, but I don't think Gideon's been around for long to warrant a full one.)

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    • First thought was Zelena and Robin, but must be Gideon indeed

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    • Anybody else confuse dby the story and teleplay by, does that mean A&E didn't write the episode but imoutted into the story?

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      Anybody else confuse dby the story and teleplay by, does that mean A&E didn't write the episode but imoutted into the story?

      I was wondering about it too. 

      Anyway, probably about Black Fairy and Gideon!

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    • Doing research, it sort of goes like this:

      - Written by = Story by and Teleplay By

      So, Adam and Eddy came up with the story, but it appears that Paul Karp (who's been writing assistant for all 5 and 6 episodes via IMDB) has taken to writing this script. Like master and apprentice, Adam and Eddy leave the reigns to form their ideas into writing by Paul, while they see how well he's done and how it's executed (as they are executive producers).

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Doing research, it sort of goes like this:

      - Written by = Story by and Teleplay By

      So, Adam and Eddy came up with the story, but it appears that Paul Karp (who's been writing assistant for all 5 and 6 episodes via IMDB) has taken to writing this script. Like master and apprentice, Adam and Eddy leave the reigns to form their ideas into writing by Paul, while they see how well he's done and how it's executed (as they are executive producers).

      Thank you for the explenation! :)

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    • Two thoughts for the title. Either Zelena and Baby Robin, or Belle, Gideon, and possibly Black Fairy. And thanks for explaining the story by and teleplay by, Esk. I was also a bit curious as how that is different from what normally happens.

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    • Part of me wants to go for greed and hope its a Zelena centric because I always love her centric episodes (They're the only Centric Episodes that I can guarantee will be good)

      But on second thought it does fit the quota of Black Fairy/Gideon/Belle.

      We're meant to have an actual Belle episode (Dno if y'all wanna count Changelings as her) but I can see this being either her episode or shared to see the contrast of the Black Fairy's Mother Hood compared to Belle's

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    • On one hand, it sounds to me like a Gideon/Black Fairy-centric that could possibly also tie into Gideon and Belle. I'd like to see Gideon and Belle's dynamic since 6x13 seems to probably be Gideon and Rumple.

      On the other hand, I also like the theories of it being a Zelena/Robin-centric, which could possibly include aging up Robin and Zelena trying to turn her wicked. Which not only brings Zelena back to the forefront but also removes Robin from the background baby club.

      The first idea would definitely continue the plot more. But the second idea would feature Zelena, sooooo :P

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    • I've figured it out guys how Zelena will be involved, They'll do a scene. Then after the break to commercials, we'll see Zelena holding baby Robin who drops her toy. Zelena will remark how she's "Mommy's little helper" and end scene. Zelena's one scene quota fulfilled for several episodes.

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    • getting a bit cynical, aren't ya, esk? XD

      My first thought was Gideon being "Mommy's little helper" for Belle, actually. But I agree that the flashback is likely to be Gideon growing up in the Dark Realm, with at least a bit of focus on the Black Fairy, and Present Day is with Belle working with Gideon (maybe trying to undo some of the damage that the Black Fairy did).

      As for other scenes, I could see them pulling the "Mommy's little helper" line with both Zelena/Robyn and Snow/Neal.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      getting a bit cynical, aren't ya, esk? XD

      Stirring the hype pot for that suprise Zelena-centric episode, I guess. Rebecca was seen filming in at least two other episodes (I think) so...2 out of 5 wouldn't be bad, right?

      I'm curious about it, but I'll have to wait to get more info because it could be anything. Especially since this is the first time A & E split the writing task with someone new, I would think it could just be Belle/ Gideon. Black Fairy probably wouldn't have a backstory unless they kept it short.

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    • Oh, new scoops! Rebooting......

      So, this is indeed Belle/Gideon (perhaps Rumple/BlackFairy) because EW left a scoop that Rumple and Belle are off to find Gideon's younger self in the Dark Realm. Well.....Rumple was right as the Dark Realm makes no sense. Makes good for timeline.

      So, perhaps Rumple and Belle were there a few episodes back.

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    • Younger Gideon??? Wtf

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Oh, new scoops! Rebooting......

      So, this is indeed Belle/Gideon (perhaps Rumple/BlackFairy) because EW left a scoop that Rumple and Belle are off to find Gideon's younger self in the Dark Realm. Well.....Rumple was right as the Dark Realm makes no sense. Makes good for timeline.

      So, perhaps Rumple and Belle were there a few episodes back.

      Wait, so Gideon exists at different ages at the same time, because of the Dark Realm? Odd, very odd. Guess it ties in with the spliting selves thing of Jekyll/Hyde and Regina/Evil Queen. If so, I'm guessing Gideon will have to become one whole person at some point. Who knows what age that will be. XD

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Oh, new scoops! Rebooting......

      So, this is indeed Belle/Gideon (perhaps Rumple/BlackFairy) because EW left a scoop that Rumple and Belle are off to find Gideon's younger self in the Dark Realm. Well.....Rumple was right as the Dark Realm makes no sense. Makes good for timeline.

      So, perhaps Rumple and Belle were there a few episodes back.

      Wait, so Gideon exists at different ages at the same time, because of the Dark Realm? Odd, very odd. Guess it ties in with the spliting selves thing of Jekyll/Hyde and Regina/Evil Queen. If so, I'm guessing Gideon will have to become one whole person at some point. Who knows what age that will be. XD

      I don't know if he's split. Could just be some rip in the space-time continuum. Must give the Black Fairy headaches.

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    • I see three ways "finding young Gideon" could go:

      1) Both exist at the same time. However, as they're likely snagging newborn Gideon, that just means their quest was pointless because adult evil Gideon is still on the loose and they have no good way to stop him.

      2) Adult evil Gideon will completely disintegrate from existence as soon as Rumple and Belle show up with his child self with no repercussions.

      3) It will completely undo everything that happened in the second half, and we'll pick back up from the end of Changelings except Belle keeps Gideon and Rumbelle are happy(ish) together. The episode ends with Rumple and Belle acknowledging the past timeline, which everyone else seems unaware of, and wondering if the Black Fairy knows, too. This would also undo whatever happened in Agrabah, any development between Regina/Zelena thanks to Wish Robin, etc. though, so probably not.

      I just wish they had stuck with the redemption of adult Gideon.

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    • There's no way they would undo the stuff that happens for half a season... or, they better not do that.

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    • The Gideon thing could be simple. If anyone's a fan of Kingdom Hearts, then I think it could be handled by the Realm of Sleep. The Realm of Sleep had worlds that were captured in a period of time. So, a character they might have met before wouldn't recognize them because it would be that character's past self. So, even though the present form was elsewhere, that one was simply trapped by the wonky fiunctions of that Realm.

      So, Belle and Rumple might enter this realm and see young Gideon and might be able to spark a change in Adult Gideon.

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    • Oh. So that would just be cheating redemption and taking the easy way out.

      Well, I guess that works, too. Wouldn't be the first time.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Oh. So that would just be cheating redemption and taking the easy way out.

      Well, I guess that works, too. Wouldn't be the first time.

      Well, do we really need to see ranother redemption (despite knowing little about him and how he'll definitely have to revert)? If they keep adult Gideon around, then let's at least jump to conflicted. Someone has to stay villany or we'd have no villain. (Black Fairy from filming spiilers seems to be fairly background villain).

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      1. Definitely Thinking Rumplestiltskin.
      2. Definitely Thinking Black Fairy.
      3. Definitely Thinking Malcolm.
      4. Definitely Thinking Gideon.
      5. Definitely Thinking Belle
      6. Definitely Think It Will Have A Flashback of Malcolm and the Black Fairy. Then maybe about Gideon and the Black Fairy. And then Gideon and Belle
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    • So now there are 2 Gideons

      Geez the people in this show just multiply


      First Regina, then Robin and now Gideon

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    • 8Rob wrote: So now there are 2 Gideons

      Geez the people in this show just multiply


      First Regina, then Robin and now Gideon

      I honestly doubt that there'll be a second Gideon tho.

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    • (sorry guys, edited with corrected info: Jen/Ginny/Lana/Robert filmed for 6x15 yesterday) Giles filmed for this episode. https://twitter.com/gilesmatthey/status/820176978573565952

      Jamie Murray filming next week. http://katmtan.tumblr.com/post/155842807892/any-clue-who-giles-is-filming-with-is-the-black

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    • Young Zelena is returning in this episode! (see the actress' Instagram)

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      Young Zelena is returning in this episode! (see the actress' Instagram)

      THis? https://www.instagram.com/p/BPRLeT0lFmE/?taken-by=isabella_b_t

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      AlbOuat wrote:
      Young Zelena is returning in this episode! (see the actress' Instagram)
      THis? https://www.instagram.com/p/BPRLeT0lFmE/?taken-by=isabella_b_t

      Well, for now it is not really confirmed, could be an old pic. So better to not be too excited because it comes off as very surprising.

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    • I commented to ask, maybe she'll reply.

      Could this episode be a Zelena-centric? That would be unexpected... and possibly another Cora-related memory wipe for Zelena based on the title :/ Or perhaps we could see when her adoptive mother died.

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      AlbOuat wrote:
      Young Zelena is returning in this episode! (see the actress' Instagram)
      THis? https://www.instagram.com/p/BPRLeT0lFmE/?taken-by=isabella_b_t

      She tags almost all her pictures with Once tags, and if you look at the picture with the mountain, she said she was going to Vancouver for an audition, so I don't think she's back. She certainly wants to be though. XD

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    • Ah, okay. That makes more sense.

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    • Oh, my bad. I saw it on SpoilerTV so I thought it was confirmed. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      EF Rumple. https://www.instagram.com/p/BPVyvaJhMvq/

      Couldn't be a flashback without him!

      So, I saw that Young Zelena mention and now I'm wary if it's really Zelena or not. But given who wrote it, I feel that it's Black Fairy related (given that she'll be filming soon).

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Couldn't be a falshback without him!

      So, I saw that Young Zelena mention and now I'm wary if it's really Zelena or not. But given who wrote it, I feel that it's Black Fairy related (given that she'll be filming soon).

      Yeah, I don't know about the young Zelena speculation. This is clearly going to be a Rumple/Black Fairy episode, probably with a good dose of Belle and Gideon. They might be spending time in the dark realm. I'm not sure why/how they'd throw Zelena into the flashback.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Couldn't be a falshback without him!

      So, I saw that Young Zelena mention and now I'm wary if it's really Zelena or not. But given who wrote it, I feel that it's Black Fairy related (given that she'll be filming soon).

      Yeah, I don't know about the young Zelena speculation. This is clearly going to be a Rumple/Black Fairy episode, probably with a good dose of Belle and Gideon. They might be spending time in the dark realm. I'm not sure why/how they'd throw Zelena into the flashback.

      I doubt it as well. As CDA put it, the actress probably just tags her photos. (And I sort of would want more Zelena)

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    • I'd love to see a Zelena-centric, but for the sake of the plot, it's more important to get a Black Fairy-centric.

      It's a shame this flashback has adult Rumple and not Malcolm and/or child Rumple, though. I was hoping to see her as a good fairy in her flashback. Maybe we still will.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I'd love to see a Zelena-centric, but for the sake of the plot, it's more important to get a Black Fairy-centric.

      It's a shame this flashback has adult Rumple and not Malcolm and/or child Rumple, though. I was hoping to see her as a good fairy in her flashback. Maybe we still will.

      Well, we only have seen part of a part. I don't even think we've seen anything of the flashback beyond a pic a Rumple. They'll still be filming onwards, so patience....(It's better than whatever Hades had)

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    • That raises an interesting thought... which I'll address in some other thread because it's a bit irrelevant to this one.

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    • New news from IMDB. This lady is playing a Nurse:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5125737/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t10

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    • Based on the fact that most of her characters have been extras, the same is probably true here.

      If we're seeing the Black Fairy with baby Rumple, she could be there when Rumple is born. If not... I have no leads.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Based on the fact that most of her characters have been extras, the same is probably true here.

      If we're seeing the Black Fairy with baby Rumple, she could be there when Rumple is born. If not... I have no leads.

      Yep. I'm guessing Black Fairy might have a backstory, but this seems like a Cora giving birth to Zelena moment where it'll be tacked on (not in a bad way) because time would skip.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Based on the fact that most of her characters have been extras, the same is probably true here.

      If we're seeing the Black Fairy with baby Rumple, she could be there when Rumple is born. If not... I have no leads.

      It's possible she is in present day SB, and there is a scene in the hospital for whatever reason.

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    • She could be in Storybrooke, too.

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    • I wonder if this child actor, Mason Mckenzie, will be in 6x16. His talent agency just announced that he'll be on OUAT. 

      https://www.facebook.com/CityTalentManagement/photos/a.168362879850706.34314.156334554386872/1344527658900883/?type=3&theater

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      I wonder if this child actor, Mason Mckenzie, will be in 6x16. His talent agency just announced that he'll be on OUAT. 

      https://www.facebook.com/CityTalentManagement/photos/a.168362879850706.34314.156334554386872/1344527658900883/?type=3&theater


      Saw it already but like many, I do think he'll be Young Gideon for 616

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      I wonder if this child actor, Mason Mckenzie, will be in 6x16. His talent agency just announced that he'll be on OUAT. 

      https://www.facebook.com/CityTalentManagement/photos/a.168362879850706.34314.156334554386872/1344527658900883/?type=3&theater

      Looks like Young Gideon to me. And that's the only young male we are expecting besides Young David, who should have been cast a while ago.

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    • He also looks more like Giles than Josh. Yeah, I'd say that's Young Gideon.

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    • Once again, it appears (at least at this point) that the casting department at Once nailed it again.

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    • It's also good to note that we do still have 6 more episodes so a Zelena centric is still possible (But unlikely) so the child actress could still be appearing.

      However it does seem likely this is a Gideon/Rumple/Black Fairy/Possible Belle Centric. If necessary they could some how intertwine Zelena into it but not necessary.

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    • To squash the rumors, Isabella (Young Zelena) just clarified that she's NOT back for OUAT. https://twitter.com/Isabella_B_T/status/821316746682372096

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      To squash the rumors, Isabella (Young Zelena) just clarified that she's NOT back for OUAT. https://twitter.com/Isabella_B_T/status/821316746682372096

      Yay! No more confusion. So far, just EF Rumple seen? Hmm, I wonder what it's about then. 

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Yay! No more confusion. So far, just EF Rumple seen? Hmm, I wonder what it's about then. 

      According to Kat - Ginny, Jennifer, Robert, and Emilie filmed yesterday. I'm assuming they weren't all in the same scene if Robert filmed as EF Rumple. 

      And apparently, Colin and some people dressed like lost boys were filming on a beach today. http://katmtan.tumblr.com/post/156012236837/im-out-of-the-country-but-ill-be-sure-to-keep

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    • So, Escape to Agrabah is truly over. Same with traversing the Dark Realm (?)

      So, this seems to confirm that TL is indeed TL (Tiger Lily). So, Hook and Emma are surely back, with Snow awoke (?) and Rumple. Hook is with Lost Boys. They never said what happened to Neverland and if all the Lost Boys went with them. (And NL did have an Indian village which we never did see.) So, I wonder if he was kidnapped or on some side mission.

      Perhaps, Emma never really went on that Agrabah trip..... 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Yay! No more confusion. So far, just EF Rumple seen? Hmm, I wonder what it's about then. 

      According to Kat - Ginny, Jennifer, Robert, and Emilie filmed yesterday. I'm assuming they weren't all in the same scene if Robert filmed as EF Rumple. 

      And apparently, Colin and some people dressed like lost boys were filming on a beach today. http://katmtan.tumblr.com/post/156012236837/im-out-of-the-country-but-ill-be-sure-to-keep

      Lost Boys!?! Wonder if this ties into Tiger Lily. Also, I wonder if we will see Felix, Wendy, or Pan again. Now I'm getting excited.

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    • I think we'll (probably?) see Rumple and Belle in the dark realm in this episode. We haven't heard about them since 6x13, Rumple's last centric. Gideon has been reported for all of them though and he's been in Storybrooke the whole time. Robert did shoot a scene in 6x15 w/ Ginny & Jen, but that could've been for the end of that episode leading into this one.....idk.

      And yeah, I don't think Emma ever left Storybrooke in 6x15 either. 

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    • Interesting. So perhaps Rumple and Belle did their travels and are just coming back (then flashback there?). I'm confused because "Young Gideon" (?) was recently cast. Unless Rumple was sent back, but Belle stuck there.

      If Emma did stay, then that poorly worded article wasn't that poorly worded and princess adventure is a bit much when Hook would be the only core cast there and he's not to my knowledge a princess...yet.

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    • Well, they did say time was weird there.....so I guess we're getting 3 Gideons in this episode, if we're assuming that they'll also come across their newborn in the dark realm.

      And haha, as for the article, I'm pretty sure they were just emphasizing the "Ariel & Jasmine team up" and decided to give us a little plot teaser with Hook. To me, the 6x15 spoilers suggest that Ariel met Jasmine before they meet up with Hook, so both princesses will also be adventuring in the flashbacks. 

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Yay! No more confusion. So far, just EF Rumple seen? Hmm, I wonder what it's about then. 

      According to Kat - Ginny, Jennifer, Robert, and Emilie filmed yesterday. I'm assuming they weren't all in the same scene if Robert filmed as EF Rumple. 

      And apparently, Colin and some people dressed like lost boys were filming on a beach today. http://katmtan.tumblr.com/post/156012236837/im-out-of-the-country-but-ill-be-sure-to-keep

      Lost Boys!?! Wonder if this ties into Tiger Lily. Also, I wonder if we will see Felix, Wendy, or Pan again. Now I'm getting excited.

      Also forgot to metion Smee earlier. He could possibly be back as well.

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    • Blackbeard was also in the beach scene earlier with Hook. And Kat is saying it's a flashback.

      http://katmtan.tumblr.com/post/156024567197/for-the-scene-with-hook-and-those-boys-do-you

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Blackbeard was also in the beach scene earlier with Hook. And Kat is saying it's a flashback.

      http://katmtan.tumblr.com/post/156024567197/for-the-scene-with-hook-and-those-boys-do-you

      Very interesting. I wonder how Blackbeard fits into all this.

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    • It doesn't seem like anyone knows but if it's a flashback, I feel like this can't be for 6x16, right? Adam hasn't posted anything about 6x17 yet and he usually does before filming starts but I don't see these (seemingly) completely unrelated Hook flashbacks in an episode with Rumple/BF flashbacks. That....doesn't make any sense.

      But Blackbeard appearing in a flashback with Hook and some lost boys is totally reasonable for an episode with Tiger Lily. 

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    • I assume it is for the next episode (which has been written?). Given that Jamie films next week, they could just be filming both, either Black Fairy scenes next week.

      (Unless it's a very weird flashback...)

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      It doesn't seem like anyone knows but if it's a flashback, I feel like this can't be for 6x16, right? Adam hasn't posted anything about 6x17 yet and he usually does before filming starts but I don't see these (seemingly) completely unrelated Hook flashbacks in an episode with Rumple/BF flashbacks. That....doesn't make any sense.

      But Blackbeard appearing in a flashback with Hook and some lost boys is totally reasonable for an episode with Tiger Lily. 

      Yeah, 616 has to be Rumple/Belle/Gideon/Black Fairy centric, based on what we know, so 617 must be Hook/Lost Boys/BlackBeard/Tiger Lily centric. Maybe they are doing some filming simoltaniously. Adam should be giving us 617 title very soon, I imagine.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Yeah, 616 has to be Rumple/Belle/Gideon/Black Fairy centric, based on what we know, so 617 must be Hook/Lost Boys/BlackBeard/Tiger Lily centric. Maybe they are doing some filming simoltaniously. Adam should be giving us 617 title very soon, I imagine.

      I think so too. Wonder if maybe some other NL characters like Wendy are coming back. 

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    • While the timing would probably support the presence of the Darlings, I don't think we'll them. I kinda got the impression from Season 3 that Wendy was Pan's prisoner and caged the entire time (over 100 years, that would just be bad). And I'm not sure when and how John and Michael would fit in (Obviously they were not in Neverland the entire time, but did spend much of their time there given how much they aged).

      But what could be interesting is if we would see a Young Baelfire as one of the Lost Boys. Even though Neal/Bae is dead, a little peek into the relationship after between Killian and Baelfire after Bae left the JR could be interesting, and could play into some part of a revelation into the relationship between Killian and Henry.

      However, I'm not sure that this would be for "Mother's little helper", but more likely for 6x17 (whose title I am expecting to be released soon).  So I would suggest any further discussion regarding Killian, Tiger LIly, and Neverland in general be held off until we get more info on the next episode.

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    • Lana posted a pic of the Evil Queen. Do you think it's an old pic or she's still around by this episode?

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      Lana posted a pic of the Evil Queen. Do you think it's an old pic or she's still around by this episode?

      Links would be great. XD

      If you're talking about Instagram, then it's from 6x09.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      AlbOuat wrote:
      Lana posted a pic of the Evil Queen. Do you think it's an old pic or she's still around by this episode?
      Links would be great. XD

      This: https://twitter.com/LanaParrilla/status/821771903929110528 

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      AlbOuat wrote:
      Lana posted a pic of the Evil Queen. Do you think it's an old pic or she's still around by this episode?
      Links would be great. XD

      If you're talking about Instagram, then it's from 6x09.

      You're right XD Yes I was talking about that one, thanks for clarifying, it was indeed weird for her to be still around when the BF and Gideon have taken her place as villains. 

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    • Lana picture is for episode 9 no ?

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    • My guess is that, at this point, any EQ pics are either for episodes already aired, or are for any EF backstories with with Original, One and Only, Evil Queen.

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    • According to Kat, Isaac is returning in 6x16. http://katmtan.tumblr.com/post/156818206997/is-isaac-in-6x17

      This is when they did a lot of filming at that mansion, where all of those storybooks were initially found in S4, so there's a possible connection. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      According to Kat, Isaac is returning in 6x16. http://katmtan.tumblr.com/post/156818206997/is-isaac-in-6x17

      This is when they did a lot of filming at that mansion, where all of those storybooks were initially found in S4, so there's a possible connection. 

      This is intriguing. Perhaps this is how they delve more into the Savior Mythos. Plus we may see the extent of what Isaac wrote about, especially since there are two known Saviors until is reign as Author.

      With Gideon wanting to become a "Savior" likely because he wants to fulfill his namesake (for his mum), it's no surprise that Isaac appears (likely as expositionary character because Rumple surely needs a break).

      I guess it'll become a topic in a month, but this gives new insight to Gideon's actions in fliming. He wants to be the Savior that ends the Black Fairy's reign of evil, but why? Is he simply not powerful enough? But he doesn't seem to be seeking power, but some fated role that "guarantees victory"?

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    • IMDB is listing that Black Beard appears in this episode. We know he was filming what was appearantly a flashback scene with Lost Boys and Hook, so it may be in this episode, assuming IMDB is correct.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      IMDB is listing that Black Beard appears in this episode. We know he was filming what was appearantly a flashback scene with Lost Boys and Hook, so it may be in this episode, assuming IMDB is correct.

      I think this is most likely correct. The only reason we would've doubted that set report was for 6x16 in the first place was because we assumed Colin might've filmed early for 6x17, since they usually don't do unconnected flashbacks for multiple mains in one episode. But now we know that 6x17 is definitely not Hook centric either (nor is 6x18), so there should be no reason why he wouldn't have been filming on a normal schedule then.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      IMDB is listing that Black Beard appears in this episode. We know he was filming what was appearantly a flashback scene with Lost Boys and Hook, so it may be in this episode, assuming IMDB is correct.
      I think this is most likely correct. The only reason we would've doubted that set report was for 6x16 in the first place was because we assumed Colin might've filmed early for 6x17, since they usually don't do unconnected flashbacks for multiple mains in one episode. But now we know that 6x17 is definitely not Hook centric either (nor is 6x18), so there should be no reason why he wouldn't have been filming on a normal schedule then.

      That does beg the question, is this a Hook centric then? We never actually got confirmation it was about Gideon and the Black Fairy, right? It just seems odd to me that if it was a Neverland Hook centric, Tiger Lily would have not appeared. Maybe she is mentioned or something though?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      That does beg the question, is this a Hook centric then? We never actually got confirmation it was about Gideon and the Black Fairy, right? It just seems odd to me that if it was a Neverland Hook centric, Tiger Lily would have not appeared. Maybe she is mentioned or something though?

      No, I'm 99% sure this is a Black Fairy/Rumple/Gideon episode. The title itself is pretty telling - not sure who else it could to refer to if not the Black Fairy and Gideon. A producer posted a picture of EF Rumple, so he'll be in the flashbacks. There's that young actor who could be young Gideon...

      And in the present day Storybrooke, we have multiple days of Rumple/Belle/Gideon and Emma/Snow. Hook seems completely unrelated to the main plot of the episode. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      That does beg the question, is this a Hook centric then? We never actually got confirmation it was about Gideon and the Black Fairy, right? It just seems odd to me that if it was a Neverland Hook centric, Tiger Lily would have not appeared. Maybe she is mentioned or something though?

      No, I'm 99% sure this is a Black Fairy/Rumple/Gideon episode. The title itself is pretty telling - not sure who else it could to refer to if not the Black Fairy and Gideon. A producer posted a picture of EF Rumple, so he'll be in the flashbacks. There's that young actor who could be young Gideon...

      And in the present day Storybrooke, we have multiple days of Rumple/Belle/Gideon and Emma/Snow. Hook seems completely unrelated to the main plot of the episode. 

      Yeah, that's what I thought initally. But the Hook and Black Beard thing is really throwing me. Maybe the weirdness is because Rumple and Belle go to the Dark Realm, and that's where "Hook" and "Black Beard" come in, not really being the real them.

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    • I think the flashback of this ep is how the BF raised Gideon. 

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    • IMDB is now listing this actor as Roderick:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3292657/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t10

      Also, on what appears to be his Instagram, you can see a picture where he is dressed in FTL clothes, and making a joke about hobbits. Guessing that's his costume for OUAT. It was posted 5 weeks ago, which also fits:

      https://www.instagram.com/softinstagram/?hl=en

      It is interesting to note that Roderick is a name of a character in Beowulf (spelled weird, but you can see it is Roderick in the second link):

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hre%C3%B0ric_and_Hro%C3%B0mund

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roderick

      It's starting to look like the Beowulf story is playing a pretty big role in the Black Fairy's story.

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    • Maybe he's one of the Lost Boys? I recall that's the episode with Hook and Blackbeard in Neverland. The costume looks like the ones the LB wore in season 3.

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    • He looks too old to be a Lost Boy (then again, so did Felix)

      It would be neat to see the Beowulf story play out for more than one episode. Does anyone know of any character that the Black Fairy could correspond to?

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    • There is a dragon in Beowulf (if I recall correctly). May as well call that dude Lily's father.

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    • To answer everybody: He could both be the character from Beowulf and a Lost Boy, as Pan gets his Lost Boys shortly after we will see Beowulf. I couldn't find a character that the Black Fairy could be, although their are plenty of female characters in Beowulf. And yes Beowulf dies from a dragon who he slays (he kills it, but is mortally wounded in doing so). I won't be suprised if a dragon shows up in 613 or 616.

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    • Well Eskaver in Season 1 Episode 6 Shepard of Ouat series David himself killed and slew down a dragon but this dragon breathed Fire on David in that episodes,and as we know only dragons :The Dragon,Maleficant and Liliy breath Fire while Wyvern dont,and beacuse Liliys True dragon form is a European and that dragon that was killed by David was European so its safe to assume thatbher dad was killed by David.And The Dragon is Mushu and his lost daugher chould be Mulan.

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    • Kunica wrote:
      Well Eskaver in Season 1 Episode 6 Shepard of Ouat series David himself killed and slew down a dragon but this dragon breathed Fire on David in that episodes,and as we know only dragons :The Dragon,Maleficant and Liliy breath Fire while Wyvern dont,and beacuse Liliys True dragon form is a European and that dragon that was killed by David was European so its safe to assume thatbher dad was killed by David.And The Dragon is Mushu and his lost daugher chould be Mulan.

      It's really not safe to assume that the dragon David killed is Lily's father. As there can be hundreds of dragons living in the EF for all we know.

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    • Well yes that chould be true but as we have seen this Ouat dragons are Shapeshifters based upon Jake Long American Dragon Disney cartoon but that dragno that was killed by David chould be her father or her father is alive somewere in Europe.But this dragons that have apeard in Ouat i think thy are the rare and possibly last  members of there dragon species

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    • Kunica wrote:
      Well yes that chould be true but as we have seen this Ouat dragons are Shapeshifters based upon Jake Long American Dragon Disney cartoon but that dragno that was killed by David chould be her father or her father is alive somewere in Europe.But this dragons that have apeard in Ouat i think thy are the rare and possibly last  members of there dragon species

      The Dragons are shapeshifters because they are in many ancient myths and such. It has nothing to do with the American Dragon cartoon, which is also pulling things from mythology. Disney stuff didn't invent any of these concepts, basically.

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    • well actully Chiness and European dragons in many myths in our real world arent exactly a Shapeshiftiers and well Maleficant yes her Shapeshifting abilities  are based upon Sleeping Beauty movie while The Dragon and Liliys are beased upon American Dragon and Alladin tv series 2 brothers Zing and Zang,beacuse this are only ones were Dragons are Shapeshifter i double checked.

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    • Let's not discuss dragon's as even that  is fairly speculative and currently irrelevant to the filming spoilers.

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    • 611 looks like it had quick snips of what will be the flashbacks in this episode. Should be interesting.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      611 looks like it had quick snips of what will be the flashbacks in this episode. Should be interesting.

      Have to say Black Fairy looks to be a pretty bad mother...

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    • I'd have to agree. I think as parents go, the BF is going to be the worst, topping even Cora and Malcolm combined.

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    • Hey guys did anyone see yesterdays episode 11 of this season 6 i personlay think Gideon was gona kill Emma so that well can use those Savior powers to destroy Black Fairy.

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    • Punctuation is a good thing.

      Also, discussion of "Tougher than the Rest" is currently on the General Discussion board. It does not belong here, unless something that happened pertains to this episode.

      Having said that, we may find out more about Gideon's motivations with this episode. I get the feeling that this episode will give us Gideon's life story (of which we only saw small flashes in TTTR).  It is interesting that his motivation for killing Emma, however misguided, is to get her powers to become the Savior of the Dark Realm, and we may hopefully get to see some of what leads up to that motivation in this episode.

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    • Here is an interview quote about this episode:

      Does Gideon’s dark quest to become the Savior give you the opportunity to more deeply explore the Savior mythology?

      KITSIS: We are going to discuss why he wants to become the Savior. We’re also going to get a lot of why he’s doing what he’s doing in his origin story.

      What can you say about what we’ll see of the Black Fairy and how the Black Fairy turned Gideon into what we see now?

      KITSIS: We’re gonna see all of that. We’re gonna see the Black Fairy’s origin story and what happened to Gideon. We’re gonna see how he went from a little baby in Episode 610 to a 28-year-old. So, we plan to show all the questions that hopefully fans are asking.

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    • Btw, I'm sure everyone already knows this but Giles Matthey explicitly confirmed on Twitter that this episode would be Gideon's backstory (https://twitter.com/gilesmatthey/status/838903610532491265)

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    • I think it would be cool if the Black Fairy and her Dark Realm were based on an existing story, but I'm not sure if any stories would work. Obviously a magic user that kidnaps children is somewhat common in fairy and folk tales though, so maybe they'll pull something out.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I think it would be cool if the Black Fairy and her Dark Realm were based on an existing story, but I'm not sure if any stories would work. Obviously a magic user that kidnaps children is somewhat common in fairy and folk tales though, so maybe they'll pull something out.

      What gets me (besides the whole "Realm thing") is that it does need an origin. I will discount anything Rumple said even though Adam and Eddy had this already planned out, but Rumple said "Realms of Dark Magic" and time makes no sense. But then the next episode he's confused how Gideon was older and it's more of a single Realm.

      We frankly have no clue to anything about the Black Fairy. Some think Neverland is involved, but unless Black fairy did some kind of merger it seems less likely. It's cool they don't outright say it like 5A mentioning the UW 543 times, but I'm hoping Gideon gives us clues. Plus, TL seems to likely be involved.

      Unless there's some fairy tale about an evil fairy queen or something.

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    • Well i honestly think the Dark Realm chould be very similar with Obsidian Dark Realm.Plus who knows maybe in Dark Realm there are other rulers and villans far darker than Black Fairy,well we shall see in next episodes.

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    • I have a theory that the Black Fairy is the evil fairy that turns the prince into the beast from the Beauty and the Beast story. I wonder if there will be any connections to that in this episode. Also if you want to discuss this theory, here is the thread: http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:316070

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    • Well i think you are right,but i  wana see more of Dark Realm and its history like was before Black Fairy came the Dark realm called  Light Realm .Because i am  totally disapointed how Writters ruined and twisted Beowulf and now we may not see  any of Beowulf former foes from poems like Water Demons  ( Grendels Mother ),Grendel and Dragon,plus that dragon chould have been Liliys Father.

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    • Gideon mentioned in 6x13 that he had to "save his people from her curse". It's looking as though this curse will be used later on or may just be some version of a dark curse.

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    • Yeah but why dont Writters creat somekind  Light Cures that will be Good counterpart of Dark Curse,while Dark Curse imprisons and stripes FairyTale charchters from there memories the Light Cures restors there memories and banishes villans,or maybe Dark Realm was called once Light Realm before Black Fairy conguerd it,because  Black Fairy isnt all powerfull to counger intire realm so she whould at  least need an army of villans.Uh we shall see.

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    • Kunica wrote: Well i think you are right,but i  wana see more of Dark Realm and its history like was before Black Fairy came the Dark realm called  Light Realm .Because i am  totally disapointed how Writters ruined and twisted Beowulf and now we may not see  any of Beowulf former foes from poems like Water Demons  ( Grendels Mother ),Grendel and Dragon,plus that dragon chould have been Liliys Father.

      We do see the Grendel, check him out here!

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    • Dont worry i saw it 2 moths ago but the point is that when  Rumple was talking to Beowulf in that  cave,Beowulf and Rumple confirmd that there was no  Grendel  so the creature Grendel that has apeard in OUAT in Wonderland maybe he intirely isnt connected to Enchanted Forest Beowulf. Like i said some fans on youtube channels realy hoped that Beowulf whould be another Savior because he wilded Fated Sword,  but instead Writters ruined him and turned him into a villan,sometimes Writters creat great and good storylines-plots that connect to series,episodes and timelnes while sometimes they aloso ruin it all.We realy dont  know if Writters are gona introduce Lilisy Father or other monsters like Grendels Mother  from Anglo-Saxon poems.

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    • I think we now know that we will have a FB of Gideon growing up in the Dark Realm, while the present day is split between Gideon drama in SB and Hook drama (with BlackBeard) trying to get back to SB. Should be an intersting episode.

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    • Black Fairy whipping kids is where the real interesting parts are. What? I want to see if they'll actually show it. She may be up there with Cruella in the cruel department.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Black Fairy whipping kids is where the real interesting parts are. What? I want to see if they'll actually show it.

      Esk, did you not know, that she uses black liquorice to whip the children?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      Black Fairy whipping kids is where the real interesting parts are. What? I want to see if they'll actually show it.

      Esk, did you not know, that she uses black liquorice to whip the children?

      Oh, the horror! She truly is evil! Bet she has the Hall of Infinite Stalls that have to be be clean daily by her child slaves. XD

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      Black Fairy whipping kids is where the real interesting parts are. What? I want to see if they'll actually show it.
      Esk, did you not know, that she uses black liquorice to whip the children?
      Oh, the horror! She truly is evil! Bet she has the Hall of Infinite Stalls that have to be be clean daily by her child slaves. XD

      Now, I know the show will never have the Black Fairy be this evil... darn it.

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    • Did you watch the promo??

      Finally it seems the storyline is going somewhere

      I'm really excited about next week's episode

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    • Looks like BlackBeard and Issac are in next week's episode for sure. Also, I believe Ratched was there as well (the promo was pretty fast). Glad we get to see more of the Black Fairy. And I'm hoping that the spider is Arachne from Greek Mythology:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachne

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    • Hype overload! ejufbfweprweijfunjf

      I love some villainy. Gideon/Emma team up (who would have thought), Return of Neverland, and my likely new pic: Black Fairy. Plus magic and spiders galore!

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    • From promo disection (before the press release and photos),

      1. Black Fairy is the Dust fairy of Neverland. Silvermist is the (Dust?) fairy of Wonderland. Tinkerbell would be the (Dust) fairy of Fairytaleland but she was banished and Nova was being trained to be her replacement.

      2. Devin (?) the Lost boy that Regina heart-ripped is the leader of the faction of Lost Boys still on the island. After running into Blackbeard, Hook and them run into trouble while BB always finds some weird way to get magic beans.

      3. Regina goes to Isaac to learn about Black Fairy? Saviors? To taunt him?

      4. Emma and Gideon party in the "Dark Realm"?

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    • I'm thinking the people attacking Hook and BlackBeard in Neverland is the Piccaninny tribe. Might explain why Tiger Lily appears in the next epsiode.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      From promo disection (before the press release and photos),

      1. Black Fairy is the Dust fairy of Neverland. Silvermist is the (Dust?) fairy of Wonderland. Tinkerbell would be the (Dust) fairy of Fairytaleland but she was banished and Nova was being trained to be her replacement.

      2. Devin (?) the Lost boy that Regina heart-ripped is the leader of the faction of Lost Boys still on the island. After running into Blackbeard, Hook and them run into trouble while BB always finds some weird way to get magic beans.

      3. Regina goes to Isaac to learn about Black Fairy? Saviors? To taunt him?

      4. Emma and Gideon party in the "Dark Realm"?

      By inspecting the promo, I can verify that it isn't Devin

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    • Next episode looks exciting too! The 6B run is perfect so far, for me. 

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    • I think that the Black Fairy will be like Echidna from Greek Mythology, who bore all of the monsters in Greek Mythology. AND n the promo, Rumple says: "All the darkness that you've ever faced was born under one soul: The Black Fairy."
      Anyone agree with my theory?
      P.S. I love how the Black Fairy is smiling the entire promo :)
      Oh and another theory!!!: I think that Nurse Ratched could be the Black Fairy in disguise since she's now coming back and was in the promo.

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    • Batuhan03 wrote:
      I think that the Black Fairy will be like Echidna from Greek Mythology, who bore all of the monsters in Greek Mythology. AND n the promo, Rumple says: "All the darkness that you've ever faced was born under one soul: The Black Fairy."
      Anyone agree with my theory?

      P.S. I love how the Black Fairy is smiling the entire promo :)
      Oh and another theory!!!: I think that Nurse Ratched could be the Black Fairy in disguise since she's now coming back and was in the promo.

      Regarding the Black Fairy, we get her name in 619, so if she is based on a specific named character from anything, we will know then. Ratched is probably not the Black Fairy though. She is just appearing because they lock up all the bad guys in the asylum ward in the hospital as SB has no prison, and so Issac is there.

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    • I have been wanting to see Neverland again since "Going Home". I'm very excited for next episode, but, at the same time, I'm afraid they come with some plot hole/ weak excuse for it. I wonder how the lost boys still there and if the leader could be Rufio (someone knows how the rights of that character works?). I know they said that he was dead in season 3, but, you know, they said the same thing about Lancelot... I expect anything.

      And I liked the Arachne thing. I'd like that the Black Fairy could transform herself into a spider. Or perhaps is a Lovecraft/ Stephen King kind of twist.

      I'm gonna check about Echidna ^^

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    • How funny would it be if Greg Mendell was revived when Tink killed the Shadow and now he reappeared XD

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      How funny would it be if Greg Mendell was revived when Tink killed the Shadow and now he reappeared XD

      I think they said (in Twitter, of course) that he couldn't revive because his corpse was already decomposed. But I could be remembering wrong :S

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    • Hera Pan wrote:
      FrancisPaul wrote:
      How funny would it be if Greg Mendell was revived when Tink killed the Shadow and now he reappeared XD
      I think they said (in Twitter, of course) that he couldn't revive because his corpse was already decomposed. But I could be remembering wrong :S

      Interesting; If someone could find that tweet, I'd appreciate that :)

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    • Hera Pan wrote:
      FrancisPaul wrote:
      How funny would it be if Greg Mendell was revived when Tink killed the Shadow and now he reappeared XD
      I think they said (in Twitter, of course) that he couldn't revive because his corpse was already decomposed. But I could be remembering wrong :S

      I do remember them saying something about him decomposing but that's never made sense to me. Why do people not age in Neverland but corpses do? :P It's not like Once really needs to make sense, though.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Hera Pan wrote:
      FrancisPaul wrote:
      How funny would it be if Greg Mendell was revived when Tink killed the Shadow and now he reappeared XD
      I think they said (in Twitter, of course) that he couldn't revive because his corpse was already decomposed. But I could be remembering wrong :S
      I do remember them saying something about him decomposing but that's never made sense to me. Why do people not age in Neverland but corpses do? :P It's not like Once really needs to make sense, though.

      Animals likely ate him. Unlike Blue eho is a magical being and who's body was well cared after, Owen/Greg was left on the ground where anything could chomp off pieces.

      Tink said that there wasn't much of him left.

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    • I can't found the tweet but I check other discussion about this topic and some people referred to the same tweet.

      And Tinks said this in one episode: "I got it off the girl's body. Spent half the night cleaning the blood off it. And the other guy... Well, there wasn't enough left of him to find anything useful." Pretty clear to me.

      And about age, I always wonder if Hook's liver ages, cause he has been drinking for almost 180 years hahaha.

      Anyway, and about this episode, I read that Rufio is an original character from the "Hook" film, so A&E can't introduce him in OUAT, isn't it?

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    • Adam and Eddy already had mentioned Rufio. Hook taunted Felix to "Remeber what happened to Rufio?" in early season 3.

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    • Yes, I remember, I he's dead. But, well, just remember Lancelot. I expect anything of this new Neverland.

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    • Gold and Belle convince Emma to help Gideon, explaining that together they can stop the Black Fairy. Henry experiences a disorienting shift in his powers that forces Regina to seek counsel from the previous Author. Meanwhile, in Fairy Tale Land, Hook attempts to win the assistance of an old adversary by betting his most prized possession on a game of cards. And, in a flashback, the Black Fairy tortures young Gideon in hopes of molding him into the perfect apprentice, on “Once Upon a Time,” SUNDAY, APRIL 9 (8:00–9:00 p.m. EDT), on The ABC Television Network.

      Once Upon a Time stars Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Lana Parrilla as the Evil Queen/Regina, Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David, Emilie de Ravin as Belle, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook, Jared S. Gilmore as Henry Mills, Rebecca Mader as the Wicked Witch/Zelena and Robert Carlyle as Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold.

      Guest starring are Patrick Fischler as the Author/Isaac, Giles Matthey as Gideon, Charles Mesure as Blackbeard, Jaime Murray as the Black Fairy, Ingrid Torrance as Severe Nurse, Peter Marcin as Chief, Anton Starkman as Ten-year-old Gideon, Mason McKenzie as Roderick, Grayson Gabriel as Adult Roderick, Rohan Campbell as Male Miner and Eleanor Jane as Nurse.

      “Mother’s Little Helper” teleplay by Paul Karp, story by Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz and directed by Billy Gierhart.

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    • Yay! Young Gid! I think somewhere it was Mason that was Young Gideon, but Anton looks far more like Gideon. 

      1. Return of Rumple and Belle! 

      2. Henry does some Author stuff. A "shift" in his powers is intriguing because we need to un-deus ex machina it.

      3. Black Fairy tortures kid. Right here on the 11 o'clock news. XD

      Love it! Finally the part of the season I've been waiting for! Sadly we have weird stuff (6x17 and 18) in the way.

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    • Yeah, he's a pretty good match! Is the Roderick guy another kid the BF tortured? (The two actors look nothing alike to me though, lol) 

      The Henry stuff seems kinda random but it looks like the finale will heavily involve him and his storybook so this must be the set up for that.

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    • Mmm, couldn't be Roderick the lost boy of the promo?

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    • Hera Pan wrote: Mmm, couldn't be Roderick the lost boy of the promo?

      Nope. Roderick and Adult Roderick is there for Gideon and young Gideon.

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    • Yay! Press release and cast list out. No promo pics yet though, it looks like. Roderick is likely the boy that Gideon talked about that he couldn't save from the Black Fairy. Casting on the child and adult of him is a bit questionable (they look pretty different), but he's probably not a big character, so I'll get over it. Young Gideon looks good (and is a DoS alum). I'm thinking random guy attacking Hook and BB in the promo is the Male Miner.

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    • Henry randomly lost control over his powers???

      Isn't that what happened to Enmma in 4A?

      It seems they just needed to justify Jared's paycheck because his storyline this season has been being a prop in the background

      No wonder why they are aging him up

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    • No lose control, but get affected by them. Chances are he's hopefully paying the price for using the quill selfishly.

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    • Maybe the quill control him.

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    • Pics are out but there are only Belle, Emma, Snow and Rumple talking

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Pics are out but there are only Belle, Emma, Snow and Rumple talking

      Talk about giving us crumbs with the promo pics. Yeesh. Also, I know Belle has an adult child now, but that doesn't mean she should start dressing like a 60 year old business woman.

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    • I am liking that we will see Roderick who is probably anoth Black Fairy victim. Would seem wrong to have Black Fairy torturing kids but only see Gideon

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    • I need to rewatch the promo, but it seems there's a lot of plots in this episode.

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    • I wonder if the spider in Merlin's Mansion (I think that's his mansion) is related to anything. Like how, why, and what? Do they go in there to get a magical item and why does Rumple have his dagger out? Does he summon it? So many questions. 

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    • The mystery of the mansion keeps bugging me, cuz Merlin didn't even go to the mansion...

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    • First sneak peek out! Creepy~

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    • oh crap?? what in the world was that?? besides not what I was expecting the author plot to be about

      Okay but that aside because there's not a lot we can say until we see the episode, the Dragon is free! I'm so glad they actually addressed that. (Also, Dr. Doolittle being locked in a cage off-screen made me laugh.) And apparently, Regina doesn't count the murder of the Oracle as an evil act by EQ. Of course, there's not a lot she can do to fix that, but a little mention would be nice.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      First sneak peek out! Creepy~

      I cannot watch it right now, if you could describe it to me I'd really appreciate. Of course, if it's not taking you much time XD

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      First sneak peek out! Creepy~
      I cannot watch it right now, if you could describe it to me I'd really appreciate. Of course, if it's not taking you much time XD

      Regina tries to experiment on a potion for Snow and Charming. Regina as said has undid all Queenie's stuff, but is stuck on this. Tells Henry to make a list of stuff to get from Emma which he starts to, but eyes go grey and he uncontrollably writes scribbles.

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    • Finally they're giving Henry a proper storyline. Glad they addressed about the Dragon and the protection spell. 

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    • Yay that Dragon, protection spell and was Dr Dolittle Archie becuase he was trapped in a cage??? Also, Henry got weird very fast.

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      Yay that Dragon, protection spell and was Dr Dolittle Archie becuase he was trapped in a cage??? Also, Henry got weird very fast.

      Archie was freed a long time ago. Dr. Doolittle is another literary character (probably from the LoUS).

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    • The sneak reminded me of the movie "Knowing" so much. I won't be surprised if a then what is happening to Henry is that he can see the future.

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    • I'm wondering if what Henry scribbles in the sneak peek has any meaning. Like a code or something.

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    • The power of Christ compels you!

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    • Interestingly, Regina got rid of the townline protection spell yet, she had no clue how to do so and said so in 6x13. Would have been cool to see. Regina got the Dragon out, which isn't that hard as Ingrid got Sidney out after Regina put him back in in 4A. 

      Also, I thought the sleeping curse is an unbreakable curse. So, I'm suspecting TLK will still break it.

      The symbols are most certainly gibberish, maybe some being the writers' signatures. XD

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Interestingly, Regina got rid of the townline protection spell yet, she had no clue how to do so and said so in 6x13. Would have been cool to see. Regina got the Dragon out, which isn't that hard as Ingrid got Sidney out after Regina put him back in in 4A. 

      Also, I thought the sleeping curse is an unbreakable curse. So, I'm suspecting TLK will still break it.

      The symbols are most certainly gibberish, maybe some being the writers' signatures. XD

      She also promised to work as hard as possible to figure out how to get rid of the protection spell in 6x13, which is implied to be what she's working on when Zelena attempts to return the Evil Queen. Granted, she was forced to immediately showdown with the Evil Queen and then began her research on the sleeping spell, but there also wasn't any apparent time for her to free Doolittle, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that she finished that research. (Or she might have had the EQ do it before leaving.)

      Why would the symbols be gibberish? Wouldn't it be a much more interesting plot if he were writing in an important code that leads to the Zeus Ex MacGuffin that can slay the Evil Black Dragon Fairy Queen Princess of Darkness? This could even be early set-up for Season 7/the finale, especially if our new leading man is Adult Henry (which I'm doubting more and more as we go on, but still).

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:

      She also promised to work as hard as possible to figure out how to get rid of the protection spell in 6x13, which is implied to be what she's working on when Zelena attempts to return the Evil Queen. Granted, she was forced to immediately showdown with the Evil Queen and then began her research on the sleeping spell, but there also wasn't any apparent time for her to free Doolittle, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that she finished that research. (Or she might have had the EQ do it before leaving.)

      Why would the symbols be gibberish? Wouldn't it be a much more interesting plot if he were writing in an important code that leads to the Zeus Ex MacGuffin that can slay the Evil Black Dragon Fairy Queen Princess of Darkness? This could even be early set-up for Season 7/the finale, especially if our new leading man is Adult Henry (which I'm doubting more and more as we go on, but still).

      It's not unreasoanble, but I read the scene as "I've tried to get rid of these townline protection spells forever. If I knew, I would have done it." So, I thought she just couldn;t do it with the stuff she had. Maybe she stole from Rumple (as that seems to be a thing people are getting away with now).

      The symbols are gibberish in a real-life sense. Most times they use icelandic runes, futhark runes, or random Theban/Zodiac/Alchemy/Greek aphabet stuff. What Henry was writing was scribbles from a trivia worthy perspective. He may write something plot important, but what we;ve seen doesn't seem to be anything good. Maybe that's why the quill does all the writing for him. XD

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:

      She also promised to work as hard as possible to figure out how to get rid of the protection spell in 6x13, which is implied to be what she's working on when Zelena attempts to return the Evil Queen. Granted, she was forced to immediately showdown with the Evil Queen and then began her research on the sleeping spell, but there also wasn't any apparent time for her to free Doolittle, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that she finished that research. (Or she might have had the EQ do it before leaving.)

      Why would the symbols be gibberish? Wouldn't it be a much more interesting plot if he were writing in an important code that leads to the Zeus Ex MacGuffin that can slay the Evil Black Dragon Fairy Queen Princess of Darkness? This could even be early set-up for Season 7/the finale, especially if our new leading man is Adult Henry (which I'm doubting more and more as we go on, but still).

      The symbols are gibberish in a real-life sense. Most times they use icelandic runes, futhark runes, or random Theban/Zodiac/Alchemy/Greek aphabet stuff. What Henry was writing was scribbles from a trivia worthy perspective. He may write something plot important, but what we;ve seen doesn't seem to be anything good. Maybe that's why the quill does all the writing for him. XD

      Ohhh, okay. Yeah, I don't think they would have released this scene as the sneak peek if you could decipher them that easily - too many people would know the surprise twist before the episode aired :P

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    • About the protection spell, I don't get what is stopping anyone from leaving. Didn't Violet just leave town at no cost?

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      About the protection spell, I don't get what is stopping anyone from leaving. Didn't Violet just leave town at no cost?

      The protection spell was put up in 6x02.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      The protection spell was put up in 6x02.

      Wow, I completely forgot that. They change the townline rules so often XD

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    • Sneak peek was interesting. Funny that they just name dropped Dr. Dolittle. Also, I guess we know why Regina and Henry go to see Isaac now.

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      The protection spell was put up in 6x02.

      Wow, I completely forgot that. They change the townline rules so often XD

      Back in season 4, in "Mother" I think, they said that only who casted the curse can cast the protection spell in the townline.

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    • Hera Pan wrote:
      FrancisPaul wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      The protection spell was put up in 6x02.

      Wow, I completely forgot that. They change the townline rules so often XD
      Back in season 4, in "Mother" I think, they said that only who casted the curse can cast the protection spell in the townline.

      Nope. Anyone can as Ingrid put on on the townline. Belle also put on up in season 3.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Hera Pan wrote:
      FrancisPaul wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      The protection spell was put up in 6x02.

      Wow, I completely forgot that. They change the townline rules so often XD
      Back in season 4, in "Mother" I think, they said that only who casted the curse can cast the protection spell in the townline.

      Nope. Anyone can as Ingrid put on on the townline. Belle also put on up in season 3.

      Belle spell is different! It won't let people in but emma go through the town line both way.

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    • Anybody else upset about Emma? She's the Savior, and she doesn't even care about the Black Fairy. She needs to be convinced to help. Helping takes precedence over anything. It doesn't matter if Hook is not in Storybrooke, he's with friends in the Enchanted Forest safe and sound, while the Black Fairy destroys lives.

      Did she even wonder why her friend's grownup son who had been an infant not too long ago, wanted to kill her? She didn't blink an eye, simply saying the only Gideon she knew was an infant.

      Emma knew shortly after, why he wanted to kill her, right? After that night from coming out of Wish Realm? Gideon could've asked for her help in the first place, but why didn't she offer Gideon her help for the Black Fairy's victims? It makes me want to do something about it, to help them, just hearing about the Black Fairy torturing children. It's awful. I would never say "I'll never help you." A Savior would never say that.

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    • Henry's eyes remind me of 'Heroes' and how they made their eyes look when they were dead. Also, CANNOT wait until Sunday!

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    • InspiredAndNatural wrote: Anybody else upset about Emma?

      Emma's often been a narrow-focused hero. Or I'd say simplistic in thought evaluation. Gideon (the guy who tried to kill me) wants to kill some fairy. With quick reasoning, she would object because she knows nothing about the Black Fairy. Plus. "Heroes don't kill" and at the very least, she has been given no information.

      Another part of this is simply the lack of Rumbelle in the past two episodes. Gideon's motives changed offscreen and Rumple and Belle haven't been seen for a day or two (and likewise two episodes).

      And Emma is hardly Belle's friend. They've might have been better connecting Belle, but just like when she lost Rumple, she had no one to comfort her after her son disappeared (in the battle). She just sort of walks away. (Plus, it's the second time conditions come up).

      Condition of 5A: Belle asks for help to free Rumple from the Dark Swan, even offering that as a possible way to gain information. The heroes decline and practically stand around doing nothing. Don't fret because Emma is nothing like evil, old coward, Rumple. (Sarcasm)

      Condition of 6B: Belle asks for help reasoning with her son. David gives a "maybe, but if push turns to shove". Not unrealistic but the show weighs Emma over Gideon so much that Belle's pleas seem so minor.

      But anyway, Emma has no clue what's going on, so she's trying to live her life as is. So, once she realizes how terrible BF is, she'll likely change her mind. To be fair, she isn't the Realms police.

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    • I'm pretty sure if Gideon started off with "I need your help in defeating the Black Fairy because she's tortured innocent children and everyone is in danger" instead of "I'm going to kill you because I want your savior powers," Emma would be less weary and the "heroes" would be more willing to help.

      But he attacked her out of the gate and is now blackmailing her, so Emma definitely shouldn't trust him. Doesn't really matter if she knows he /should/ technically be an innocent baby (though that's probably why she didn't kill him after their initial encounter). I don't see how Emma has done anything wrong here. As far as we know, Gideon has only told his parents about his mission against the BF. And even Rumple knows that he's going about it the wrong way. 

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    • Can you imagine if Henry's head starts spinning????

      Oh god I hope it will happen! LOL

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    • Yep, plus Gideon wants to kill the Black Fairy, rather than defeat her.

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    • New article clarifying that not all of the lost boys wanted to be rescued in season 3, so some are still there. And it sounds like Tiger Lily is still there when we meet her in the present-day.

      http://ew.com/tv/2017/04/07/once-upon-time-hook-neverland/

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Sneak peek #2 with (foreshadowing) mention of the S1 dark curse. 

      http://www.etonline.com/tv/214728_once_upon_a_time_sneak_peek_emma_snow_mother_daughter_bonding_sneak_peek/

      So... Gold pretty much confirms the Black Fairy is the creator of the curse?

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    • I think they just confirmed that the Black Fairy created the dark curse

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    • Well, it lined up to be her. Blue knew about a dark curse capable of traversing to the LWM, Black Fairy has a wand capable of performing every spell ever casted, and she's also the Dark Fairy (Dark Fairy dust person as she gave it to Snow (assumption) and Gideon (that's how he turned Queenie into a snake).

      Rumple just needs to be more specific though. Besides that, it seems as though she only touches other worlds briefly before the big hand of doom drags her back to her prison. (Which is hilarious that Blue is capable of such powerful magic yet....)

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    • Black Fairy wasn't the cause of all darkness though as Gold said, as we saw that darkness itself was born years before with Merlin. (unless BF is old as Merlin, but it seems strange to me). 

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      Black Fairy wasn't the cause of all darkness though as Gold said, as we saw that darkness itself was born years before with Merlin. (unless BF is old as Merlin, but it seems strange to me). 

      Actually, we don't know hoe fairies are born, and they don't seem to age, so anything is possible XD

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    • Yeah, fairies don't seem to age or die unless magicked to. Rumple likely means evil shenanigans rather than the conceptual darkness.

      Blue is far older than Rumple, so it stands to be that fairies could be really old. We don't know much about Merlin's time period.

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    • Well they have to age. Otherwise they would be fetuses

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Well they have to age. Otherwise they would be fetuses

      I see your point, and shoot back dwarves. They come out fully grown, meaning that it's possible that wherever fairies come from, they could come out fully grown as well

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    • Second sneak peek is good. Seems like the Black Fairy is going to wind up solving alot of the unsolved mysteries on this show.

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    • Emma and Snow are hypocrites. I don't get why those lines were written for characters who are supposed to be heroes...

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    • I still like them, but I have to say I don't understand why Belle sides with them since they don't seem to care about her in recent seasons.

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    • In 5A Emma almost killed her turning Merida into a Bear, and yet Belle went to ask her for help in 6A.

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    • 8Rob wrote: In 5A Emma almost killed her turning Merida into a Bear, and yet Belle went to ask her for help in 6A.

      Belle forgot about it like everyone else. Why would anyone be affected by events that happened before the current storyline?

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Yeah, fairies don't seem to age or die unless magicked to. Rumple likely means evil shenanigans rather than the conceptual darkness.

      Blue is far older than Rumple, so it stands to be that fairies could be really old. We don't know much about Merlin's time period.

      What Rumple means is that she created the Dark Curse (confirmed in recent sneak peek) which caused all of Emma's problems since birth. Darkness has always existed. The Darkness inside the Dark Ones is a gesalt entity born of Nimue's and all succeeding Dark Ones' corrputed souls and magic accumilating over the centuries. 

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    • I'm worried about the excuse that explains why there're lost boys in Neverland. They have said that some rebellious boys didn't go with the gang to Storybrooke and that they still seeing Hook as the villain. I don't know if I can believe that, because I don't see the Charmings letting the boys alone in the island. And even Felix, the most rebellious was forced to go to Storybrooke.

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    • Hera Pan wrote: I'm worried about the excuse that explains why there're lost boys in Neverland. They have said that some rebellious boys didn't go with the gang to Storybrooke and that they still seeing Hook as the villain. I don't know if I can believe that, because I don't see the Charmings letting the boys alone in the island. And even Felix, the most rebellious was forced to go to Storybrooke.

      Agreed. If Felix was forced to go, I don't see how could other boys allowed to stay.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      Hera Pan wrote: I'm worried about the excuse that explains why there're lost boys in Neverland. They have said that some rebellious boys didn't go with the gang to Storybrooke and that they still seeing Hook as the villain. I don't know if I can believe that, because I don't see the Charmings letting the boys alone in the island. And even Felix, the most rebellious was forced to go to Storybrooke.

      Agreed. If Felix was forced to go, I don't see how could other boys allowed to stay.

      They might have just fled into the wilderness and hidden. With Pan trying to rip out Henry's heart, though, getting all of the Lost Boys to Storybrooke wasn't the heroes' first priority.

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    • Rwayres wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      Hera Pan wrote: I'm worried about the excuse that explains why there're lost boys in Neverland. They have said that some rebellious boys didn't go with the gang to Storybrooke and that they still seeing Hook as the villain. I don't know if I can believe that, because I don't see the Charmings letting the boys alone in the island. And even Felix, the most rebellious was forced to go to Storybrooke.

      Agreed. If Felix was forced to go, I don't see how could other boys allowed to stay.

      They might have just fled into the wilderness and hidden. With Pan trying to rip out Henry's heart, though, getting all of the Lost Boys to Storybrooke wasn't the heroes' first priority.

      But Felix didn't the boys to tell them where Pan was so he would have watched them and wouldn't have let anyone run or hide or escape. When they were searching for Pan after he took Henry's heart, they managed to find all the boys and only Regina, Emma and Snow went to retrieve Henry's heart back. The rest prepared the ship and kept their watches on the boys.

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    • Or simply, there were other Lost Boys living in other parts of the island other than the ones we met in season 3. 

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    • AlbOuat wrote:
      Or simply, there were other Lost Boys living in other parts of the island other than the ones we met in season 3. 

      This is the easiest explaination. Pan never said all the Lost Boys stayed with him. Maybe some had formed their own faction.

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    • Only a half hour left! Can't wait to find out more about the Black Fairy and her creepy realm!

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Can't wait to find out more about the Black Fairy and her creepy realm!

      Yes! I'm so excited to see more Black Fairy!

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