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  • Now that Adam has confirmed the title for episode 603, "The Other Shoe", I began to think that maybe Anastasia would appear. They had Will Scarlet as a series regular in season 4, but there was no real use of him at all. And now that they've cast Jafar, which i'm sure may not have anything to do with Anastasia, i'm thinking that between Cinderella, Jafar and Will she may be making an appearance. Thoughts?

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    • I think it is highly likely that she shows up, as well as Will showing up for an episode or two. Of course she doesn't have any social media, so finding out if she's in Canada during Cinderella episode filming could be tricky.

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    • I really, really want it. Jafar, Anastasia, and Will carried Wonderland for me. I don't think it's very likely but they can surprise me :) I would think that a Will appearance would be even less likely but I don't think they'd /need/ to bring him on if it's a " Cinderella and her stepsisters" tale. A reference would probably be nice though, since people were already confused about why him and Ana were separated when OUATIW gave them a happy ending in the future. 

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    • She won't show up. Wonderland has been written out from the show's continuity and has no relevance to the main show.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      She won't show up. Wonderland has been written out from the show's continuity and has no relevance to the main show.

      That's a lie.

      OUATIW is still canon in the main, and has not been written out of the continuity. So please, don't let your negativity giving wrong info when someone is asking something, cos they could believe you.

      Maybe you don't like many things in the show, fine. Yeah, you have the right to say it. But in ANY case, you have the right to lie to another user about something from show, whatever you think. Lies won't be tolerate, especially when someone is asking a real question to have a real answer.

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    • It would be the best time to end of 6x03 with Ana appearing and then bring Jafar up in 6x04 (which we know will at least have Jasmine in it).

      Will it happen? I don't know. But Ana's mom said that Ana had other sisters and one did marry a prince. So, maybe three sisters, plus Ella? So far, it is unknown.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      She won't show up. Wonderland has been written out from the show's continuity and has no relevance to the main show.

      ...Adam confirmed it's still canon.

      Anyway since this season we're wrapping old storylines, I want to see Will and Ana just for an episode to wrap this story up. 

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    • Nakis91 wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      She won't show up. Wonderland has been written out from the show's continuity and has no relevance to the main show.
      ...Adam confirmed it's still canon.

      Anyway since this season we're wrapping old storylines, I want to see Will and Ana just for an episode to wrap this story up. 

      Yes, he confirmed it on Twitter and will ignore it on the show.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Nakis91 wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      She won't show up. Wonderland has been written out from the show's continuity and has no relevance to the main show.
      ...Adam confirmed it's still canon.

      Anyway since this season we're wrapping old storylines, I want to see Will and Ana just for an episode to wrap this story up. 

      Yes, he confirmed it on Twitter and will ignore it on the show.

      You know that you could just change a few words so that you aren't so bluntly pessimistic. If you said, "probably will ignore" then it's all cool. Slamming something before you see it isn't all too fair and you don't offer any justification with posts like that. At least go into detail a little than a presumptive judgement.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Nakis91 wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      She won't show up. Wonderland has been written out from the show's continuity and has no relevance to the main show.
      ...Adam confirmed it's still canon.

      Anyway since this season we're wrapping old storylines, I want to see Will and Ana just for an episode to wrap this story up. 

      Yes, he confirmed it on Twitter and will ignore it on the show.

      I think the fact that both Will and now Jafar are showing up on the show, shows that they definitly do want to wrap up Ana and Will's story on the main show. And it seems this would be the season to do it. So maybe wait before bashing the season. If I recall correctly, you also said Jafar had no chance of showing up on the main show, and oh look he is, so clearly your letting your pessimism cloud your judgement.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      Nakis91 wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      She won't show up. Wonderland has been written out from the show's continuity and has no relevance to the main show.
      ...Adam confirmed it's still canon.

      Anyway since this season we're wrapping old storylines, I want to see Will and Ana just for an episode to wrap this story up. 

      Yes, he confirmed it on Twitter and will ignore it on the show.
      I think the fact that both Will and now Jafar are showing up on the show, shows that they definitly do want to wrap up Ana and Will's story on the main show. And it seems this would be the season to do it. So maybe wait before bashing the season. If I recall correctly, you also said Jafar had no chance of showing up on the main show, and oh look he is, so clearly your letting your pessimism cloud your judgement.

      I never saod Jafar won't be on the main show, I figured he will since I knew they would not be able to resist another Disney ca$h grab. I just never thought they would recast him because of continuity, but of course they don't care about that inconvenience.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      Nakis91 wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      She won't show up. Wonderland has been written out from the show's continuity and has no relevance to the main show.
      ...Adam confirmed it's still canon.

      Anyway since this season we're wrapping old storylines, I want to see Will and Ana just for an episode to wrap this story up. 

      Yes, he confirmed it on Twitter and will ignore it on the show.
      I think the fact that both Will and now Jafar are showing up on the show, shows that they definitly do want to wrap up Ana and Will's story on the main show. And it seems this would be the season to do it. So maybe wait before bashing the season. If I recall correctly, you also said Jafar had no chance of showing up on the main show, and oh look he is, so clearly your letting your pessimism cloud your judgement.
      I never saod Jafar won't be on the main show, I figured he will since I knew they would not be able to resist another Disney ca$h grab. I just never thought they would recast him because of continuity, but of course they don't care about that inconvenience.

      Jafar isn't a Disney cash grab, that role exists in the original story. Also, they wanted Naveen back (I'm sure), but sometimes you can't get an actor back, but still need the character, so you have to recast. TV shows and movie series have both had to do it, even though no one wants to have to.

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    • (MOD) Jafar has his own threads. No need to discuss him here. The continuity stands as it is until the season airs.

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    • The one thing that makes me think that the chance of seeing Ana is a little bit smaller than one could wish is that I don't see Michael Socha willing to go back to the show. Sadly

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      The one thing that makes me think that the chance of seeing Ana is a little bit smaller than one could wish is that I don't see Michael Socha willing to go back to the show. Sadly

      I agree, sadly. They promoted him in Season 4 and they didn't really use him other than to make Rumple and Belle's relationship more complicated. But maybe there is a small chance of Michael returning if they agree to give him a storyline. But in anycase, in OUATIW it was strongly applied and even maybe confirmed at may points that she is Cinderella's stepsister. I wonder if A&E set it up that way incase they brought Cinderella back to the main show

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    • Well, we do have more than just guesses now. Jessy Schram appearing in the spin-off; both Cindy and Jafar appearing in S6; the premise of telling stories that were pushed pause upon (like Lily's father) etc.

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      Well, we do have more than just guesses now. Jessy Schram appearing in the spin-off; both Cindy and Jafar appearing in S6; the premise of telling stories that were pushed pause upon (like Lily's father) etc.

      I agree!

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      Well, we do have more than just guesses now. Jessy Schram appearing in the spin-off; both Cindy and Jafar appearing in S6; the premise of telling stories that were pushed pause upon (like Lily's father) etc.

      I will burst out laughing, if Jafar is revealed to be Lily's father!

      Regarding the possibility of Anastasia returning.... the title of 6.03 might be a reference to her. Correct me if I am wrong, but there was a line about how the prince chose her stepsister over her. What if Anastasia was the one who lost her shoe, at the infamous ball?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      FrancisPaul wrote:
      Well, we do have more than just guesses now. Jessy Schram appearing in the spin-off; both Cindy and Jafar appearing in S6; the premise of telling stories that were pushed pause upon (like Lily's father) etc.
      I will burst out laughing, if Jafar is revealed to be Lily's father!

      Regarding the possibility of Anastasia returning.... the title of 6.03 might be a reference to her. Correct me if I am wrong, but there was a line about how the prince chose her stepsister over her. What if Anastasia was the one who lost her shoe, at the infamous ball?

      That's a very good idea! I agree

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      FrancisPaul wrote:
      Well, we do have more than just guesses now. Jessy Schram appearing in the spin-off; both Cindy and Jafar appearing in S6; the premise of telling stories that were pushed pause upon (like Lily's father) etc.
      I will burst out laughing, if Jafar is revealed to be Lily's father!

      Regarding the possibility of Anastasia returning.... the title of 6.03 might be a reference to her. Correct me if I am wrong, but there was a line about how the prince chose her stepsister over her. What if Anastasia was the one who lost her shoe, at the infamous ball?

      Yeah, I agree.   It will explain how Cinderella and Thomas fell in love too because in The Price of Gold, the flashbacks were very vague.  Rumple glams up Cindy, then jump to Present Storybrooke, then the flashback was of Cindy and her boyfriend making   out while fireworks were blasting.  

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    • Shortly after Wonderland ended I read a rumor saying that Emma wasn't interested in returning to Ouat.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Shortly after Wonderland ended I read a rumor saying that Emma wasn't interested in returning to Ouat.

      awwwwwwwwwww lol 

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Shortly after Wonderland ended I read a rumor saying that Emma wasn't interested in returning to Ouat.

      Not at all surprising, given the circumstances.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Shortly after Wonderland ended I read a rumor saying that Emma wasn't interested in returning to Ouat.
      Not at all surprising, given the circumstances.

      What do you mean?

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    • They can just recast her, why would it matter? She only appeared as a main character for 13 episodes in the spinoff series, but who gives a damn anymore?

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Shortly after Wonderland ended I read a rumor saying that Emma wasn't interested in returning to Ouat.

      Well, I wasn't a huge fan of hers but Emma and Michael Socha look so good together.

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    • Whatever feelings might have existed at the end of Wonderland, it's been a couple of years. And the fact that there is a fan base that would like to see Anastasia and Will reunited can't be ignored completely. We know that there were hard feelings when Meghan Ory left the show in Season 2, and it took a little bit for the rift to be smoothed over enough for her to be willing to return, but that was settled.  So, I won't say that there is no chance of getting Michael or Emma to return for a couple of episodes to wrap up their story.

      As for the link above, you need to be real careful about sources. many of them like to provide their own take on interviews, print only the parts that support their own interests, and inject their speculation.  That source is not particularly reliable. But that's not to say that they haven't talked about Will and Ana coming back. I would bet they probably have talked about it.

      and for the record, I hope that we do see Emma Rigby bring Anastasia to the main show. I was not a big fan of her portrayal of the Red Queen, but I think bringing some closure to that story would be fun.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Whatever feelings might have existed at the end of Wonderland, it's been a couple of years. And the fact that there is a fan base that would like to see Anastasia and Will reunited can't be ignored completely. We know that there were hard feelings when Meghan Ory left the show in Season 2, and it took a little bit for the rift to be smoothed over enough for her to be willing to return, but that was settled.  So, I won't say that there is no chance of getting Michael or Emma to return for a couple of episodes to wrap up their story.

      As for the link above, you need to be real careful about sources. many of them like to provide their own take on interviews, print only the parts that support their own interests, and inject their speculation.  That source is not particularly reliable. But that's not to say that they haven't talked about Will and Ana coming back. I would bet they probably have talked about it.

      and for the record, I hope that we do see Emma Rigby bring Anastasia to the main show. I was not a big fan of her portrayal of the Red Queen, but I think bringing some closure to that story would be fun.

      I agree

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      The one thing that makes me think that the chance of seeing Ana is a little bit smaller than one could wish is that I don't see Michael Socha willing to go back to the show. Sadly

      I'm pretty sure I remember reading an article where Michael said he would be willing to come back as a guest star, so long as they actually gave him something to do. I'm assuming at this point, any episodes he would be in would be because he plays a fairly big role, so he would be more than happy to come back to do that. Especially if he got to work with people he worked with on Wonderland, which he really enjoyed.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      FrancisPaul wrote:
      The one thing that makes me think that the chance of seeing Ana is a little bit smaller than one could wish is that I don't see Michael Socha willing to go back to the show. Sadly
      I'm pretty sure I remember reading an article where Michael said he would be willing to come back as a guest star, so long as they actually gave him something to do. I'm assuming at this point, any episodes he would be in would be because he plays a fairly big role, so he would be more than happy to come back to do that. Especially if he got to work with people he worked with on Wonderland, which he really enjoyed.

      I remember that as well. It was in the same interview in which he said that OUAT destroyed his soul.

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    • I doubt they won't be able to snag them for a singular episode if they are available. I can't wait until they reveal that Ella and ana are not stepsisters, but cousins. XD

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    • warning may contain spoilers!! so I was reading this article and thought if Anastasia(wonderland) is Cinderella's stepsister maybe we will see her soon but I'm not going to get too hopeful lol!! http://www.moviefone.com/2016/09/23/once-upon-a-time-season-6-adds-cinderellas-evil-stepfamily/

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    • I think there's already a lot of hope on this one, but the article you linked does not really provide any additional details that we didn't already know. 

      Whatever the link between Ella and the LoUS is being held in fairly close confidence, unless that link is simply the Lady Tremaine and the stepsisters.

      The real tell may occur once we can confirm the actress portraying Lady Tremaine. If it turns out to be Sarah-Jane Redmond (as has been rumored), then that would all but confirm that Ana is one of Ella's Step sisters, and then it would remain to put the pieces of the story's timeline together in a coherant fashion.

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    • I know that it is not confirmed yet, But i feel like we have a pretty safe bet on this one. On OUATIW, the jabberwocky pretty much spelled it out, and the name and just everything feels right.

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    • I have a theory that Ana was put in a similar circumstance as Regina, where her actions as the Red Queen continually came to bite her in the butt and ruin her happiness (unlike Regina, she never had her true love die, but other really bad stuff like other people she cares about dying or something), and decided that the best thing she could do was leave to the Land of Untold Stories while Will was still alive, so that her story could pause with her only remembering her happiness with Will. Not only does it bring Ana back with the other Untold folk, but there could be an interesting parallel between Ana and Regina because they both tried to stop the repercussions of their past lives and ended up hurting someone close to them because of it (Will and Zelena, respectively).

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I have a theory that Ana was put in a similar circumstance as Regina, where her actions as the Red Queen continually came to bite her in the butt and ruin her happiness (unlike Regina, she never had her true love die, but other really bad stuff like other people she cares about dying or something), and decided that the best thing she could do was leave to the Land of Untold Stories while Will was still alive, so that her story could pause with her only remembering her happiness with Will. Not only does it bring Ana back with the other Untold folk, but there could be an interesting parallel between Ana and Regina because they both tried to stop the repercussions of their past lives and ended up hurting someone close to them because of it (Will and Zelena, respectively).

      That is a great theory and i agree with you!

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I have a theory that Ana was put in a similar circumstance as Regina, where her actions as the Red Queen continually came to bite her in the butt and ruin her happiness (unlike Regina, she never had her true love die, but other really bad stuff like other people she cares about dying or something), and decided that the best thing she could do was leave to the Land of Untold Stories while Will was still alive, so that her story could pause with her only remembering her happiness with Will. Not only does it bring Ana back with the other Untold folk, but there could be an interesting parallel between Ana and Regina because they both tried to stop the repercussions of their past lives and ended up hurting someone close to them because of it (Will and Zelena, respectively).

      Good theory. And Cora's influence over Ana mirrors her influence over Regina as she herself remarks in the spin-off

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I have a theory that Ana was put in a similar circumstance as Regina, where her actions as the Red Queen continually came to bite her in the butt and ruin her happiness (unlike Regina, she never had her true love die, but other really bad stuff like other people she cares about dying or something), and decided that the best thing she could do was leave to the Land of Untold Stories while Will was still alive, so that her story could pause with her only remembering her happiness with Will. Not only does it bring Ana back with the other Untold folk, but there could be an interesting parallel between Ana and Regina because they both tried to stop the repercussions of their past lives and ended up hurting someone close to them because of it (Will and Zelena, respectively).

      Yes, please. I'd watch a whole season of this.

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    • The promo for "The Other Shoe" indicates that Anastasia is not one of Cinderella's stepsisters, the actress who played her mother isn't portraying Lady Tremaine either. I think its a shame that they passed on the opportunity to make a more visual connection between the main series and the spin-off, it was strongly implied that Anastasia was one of Cinderella's stepsisters what with the Jabberwocky's statements and the appearance of her mother. With the recasting of Jafar (due to scheduling conflicts), they don't have much of an opportunity to tie in the two series.

      However, there has to be a reason why Adam and Eddy have made this decision. I look forward to seeing their take on the characters.

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    • NickM98 wrote:
      The promo for "The Other Shoe" indicates that Anastasia is not one of Cinderella's stepsisters, the actress who played her mother isn't portraying Lady Tremaine either. I think its a shame that they passed on the opportunity to make a more visual connection between the main series and the spin-off, it was strongly implied that Anastasia was one of Cinderella's stepsisters what with the Jabberwocky's statements and the appearance of her mother. With the recasting of Jafar (due to scheduling conflicts), they don't have much of an opportunity to tie in the two series.

      However, there has to be a reason why Adam and Eddy have made this decision. I look forward to seeing their take on the characters.

      Due to the timeline, we already knew Ana wouldn't be one of the two stepsisters that we saw in Price of Gold (and therefore the upcoming episode). However, Ana can still be an older sister to the two sisters we are seeing here, which also fits with Ana's mother's line in Wonderland of "At least I still have your sisters."

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    • I also tonight Dr. Frankenstine would be the Wizard of Oz, but maybe that was a red herring, are there any other fairy tales involving princes and stepsisters, maybe Annatasia is someone else's stepsister

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      NickM98 wrote:
      The promo for "The Other Shoe" indicates that Anastasia is not one of Cinderella's stepsisters, the actress who played her mother isn't portraying Lady Tremaine either. I think its a shame that they passed on the opportunity to make a more visual connection between the main series and the spin-off, it was strongly implied that Anastasia was one of Cinderella's stepsisters what with the Jabberwocky's statements and the appearance of her mother. With the recasting of Jafar (due to scheduling conflicts), they don't have much of an opportunity to tie in the two series.

      However, there has to be a reason why Adam and Eddy have made this decision. I look forward to seeing their take on the characters.

      Due to the timeline, we already knew Ana wouldn't be one of the two stepsisters that we saw in Price of Gold (and therefore the upcoming episode). However, Ana can still be an older sister to the two sisters we are seeing here, which also fits with Ana's mother's line in Wonderland of "At least I still have your sisters."

      Could you just refresh my memory as to why the timeline doesn't allow this?

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      I also tonight Dr. Frankenstine would be the Wizard of Oz, but maybe that was a red herring, are there any other fairy tales involving princes and stepsisters, maybe Annatasia is someone else's stepsister

      i do know the original story of beauty and the beast Beauty(belle) had 2 mean sisters  but obviously this isnt the case in once upon a time.


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    • It seems to me that the writers don't want to acknowledge Wonderland anymore what with Will coming and going with unresolved issues, Jafar's recasting and now this. I think it's time to realize that Wonderland is removed from the show's continuity.

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    • NickM98 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      NickM98 wrote:
      The promo for "The Other Shoe" indicates that Anastasia is not one of Cinderella's stepsisters, the actress who played her mother isn't portraying Lady Tremaine either. I think its a shame that they passed on the opportunity to make a more visual connection between the main series and the spin-off, it was strongly implied that Anastasia was one of Cinderella's stepsisters what with the Jabberwocky's statements and the appearance of her mother. With the recasting of Jafar (due to scheduling conflicts), they don't have much of an opportunity to tie in the two series.

      However, there has to be a reason why Adam and Eddy have made this decision. I look forward to seeing their take on the characters.

      Due to the timeline, we already knew Ana wouldn't be one of the two stepsisters that we saw in Price of Gold (and therefore the upcoming episode). However, Ana can still be an older sister to the two sisters we are seeing here, which also fits with Ana's mother's line in Wonderland of "At least I still have your sisters."
      Could you just refresh my memory as to why the timeline doesn't allow this?

      Anastasia leaves the Enchanted Forest before Marian is pregnant, and Robin steals the Fairy Godmother's wand (which is Rumple's possession immediately BEFORE Cinderella meets Thomas) to heal a pregnant Marian. Plus, Cinderella marries Thomas about 9-10 months before the Curse (we can infer this due to her pregnancy), and Anastasia knew a young Alice, who is 18 at the events of the present day, and was 10 in her little girl flashbacks.

      Unless she left Wonderland once Cora killed the Red King (confirmed by Adam on Twitter) and then got involved with Cinderella's story, then went back after being humiliated, there's no way Anastasia is Anastasia Tremaine.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      It seems to me that the writers don't want to acknowledge Wonderland anymore what with Will coming and going with unresolved issues, Jafar's recasting and now this. I think it's time to realize that Wonderland is removed from the show's continuity.

      It is not removed from the show's continuity, as the writers have said multiple times it is canon, and nothing on the main show contradicts anything on Wonderland or vice versa.

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    • NickM98 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      NickM98 wrote:
      The promo for "The Other Shoe" indicates that Anastasia is not one of Cinderella's stepsisters, the actress who played her mother isn't portraying Lady Tremaine either. I think its a shame that they passed on the opportunity to make a more visual connection between the main series and the spin-off, it was strongly implied that Anastasia was one of Cinderella's stepsisters what with the Jabberwocky's statements and the appearance of her mother. With the recasting of Jafar (due to scheduling conflicts), they don't have much of an opportunity to tie in the two series.

      However, there has to be a reason why Adam and Eddy have made this decision. I look forward to seeing their take on the characters.

      Due to the timeline, we already knew Ana wouldn't be one of the two stepsisters that we saw in Price of Gold (and therefore the upcoming episode). However, Ana can still be an older sister to the two sisters we are seeing here, which also fits with Ana's mother's line in Wonderland of "At least I still have your sisters."
      Could you just refresh my memory as to why the timeline doesn't allow this?

      Edward explained above, but basically, Ana was in Wonderland way before the events of Cinderella going to the ball take place. I'm still firmly in the camp that Ana (and Drizella) are two older sisters to the two sisters we will see in the episode next week.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      NickM98 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      NickM98 wrote:
      The promo for "The Other Shoe" indicates that Anastasia is not one of Cinderella's stepsisters, the actress who played her mother isn't portraying Lady Tremaine either. I think its a shame that they passed on the opportunity to make a more visual connection between the main series and the spin-off, it was strongly implied that Anastasia was one of Cinderella's stepsisters what with the Jabberwocky's statements and the appearance of her mother. With the recasting of Jafar (due to scheduling conflicts), they don't have much of an opportunity to tie in the two series.

      However, there has to be a reason why Adam and Eddy have made this decision. I look forward to seeing their take on the characters.

      Due to the timeline, we already knew Ana wouldn't be one of the two stepsisters that we saw in Price of Gold (and therefore the upcoming episode). However, Ana can still be an older sister to the two sisters we are seeing here, which also fits with Ana's mother's line in Wonderland of "At least I still have your sisters."
      Could you just refresh my memory as to why the timeline doesn't allow this?
      Edward explained above, but basically, Ana was in Wonderland way before the events of Cinderella going to the ball take place. I'm still firmly in the camp that Ana (and Drizella) are two older sisters to the two sisters we will see in the episode next week.

      Four Tremaine sisters plus Ella? That'd be a huge family. It kinda seems like Henry's is the only one allowed to be that massive, honestly.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      NickM98 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      NickM98 wrote:
      The promo for "The Other Shoe" indicates that Anastasia is not one of Cinderella's stepsisters, the actress who played her mother isn't portraying Lady Tremaine either. I think its a shame that they passed on the opportunity to make a more visual connection between the main series and the spin-off, it was strongly implied that Anastasia was one of Cinderella's stepsisters what with the Jabberwocky's statements and the appearance of her mother. With the recasting of Jafar (due to scheduling conflicts), they don't have much of an opportunity to tie in the two series.

      However, there has to be a reason why Adam and Eddy have made this decision. I look forward to seeing their take on the characters.

      Due to the timeline, we already knew Ana wouldn't be one of the two stepsisters that we saw in Price of Gold (and therefore the upcoming episode). However, Ana can still be an older sister to the two sisters we are seeing here, which also fits with Ana's mother's line in Wonderland of "At least I still have your sisters."
      Could you just refresh my memory as to why the timeline doesn't allow this?
      Edward explained above, but basically, Ana was in Wonderland way before the events of Cinderella going to the ball take place. I'm still firmly in the camp that Ana (and Drizella) are two older sisters to the two sisters we will see in the episode next week.
      Four Tremaine sisters plus Ella? That'd be a huge family. It kinda seems like Henry's is the only one allowed to be that massive, honestly.

      Four kids isn't that much, especially if they are two sets of twins or something. And Cinderella is a stepchild, so it's not like that really counts towards Lady Tremaine's children count. Besides, the idea would be the older two sisters and the younger two sisters have an age gap, so that it all makes sense timeline wise.

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    • You're right, the timeline doesn't fit for Anastasia to be one of the stepsisters...but what a shame. I hope we get some kind of resolution, and one that ties both series together. I really feel like they are on track to make sure all questions will be answered before they wrap the show up.

      Also, minor peeve, but I hate that they renamed the stepsisters. 

      I hate even more that we have to wait an extra week because of those debates.

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    • Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      You're right, the timeline doesn't fit for Anastasia to be one of the stepsisters...but what a shame. I hope we get some kind of resolution, and one that ties both series together. I really feel like they are on track to make sure all questions will be answered before they wrap the show up.

      Also, minor peeve, but I hate that they renamed the stepsisters. 

      I hate even more that we have to wait an extra week because of those debates.

      They didn't rename the stepsisters, they simply didn't use the Disney names, but a different source for the names. In the original story, they are simply unnamed. Also, we don't have to wait an extra week, because the debate isn't until later in the night.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      You're right, the timeline doesn't fit for Anastasia to be one of the stepsisters...but what a shame. I hope we get some kind of resolution, and one that ties both series together. I really feel like they are on track to make sure all questions will be answered before they wrap the show up.

      Also, minor peeve, but I hate that they renamed the stepsisters. 

      I hate even more that we have to wait an extra week because of those debates.

      They didn't rename the stepsisters, they simply didn't use the Disney names, but a different source for the names. In the original story, they are simply unnamed. Also, we don't have to wait an extra week, because the debate isn't until later in the night.

      Yeah, I just saw that! Thank goodness. Someone had said we were skipping a week, but I saw on another thread they are not.

      And they did rename them, in a sense, unless these are two separate characters from Anastasia and Drizella, since they are the Tremaines, as far as we've been told, and not the family from the opera or Cendrillon/Ashenputtel, but the Disney girls...unless there are two Cinderellas and Anastasia is the stepsister to the other one...which, knowing OuaT having two Cinderellas wouldn't be anything new, we've already had two Little Mermaids, two Ursulas and two Sleeping Beauties.

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    • It is interesting that we have Lady Tremaine, but not Drizella and Anastasia. I choose to believe that that's their way of leaving room for Drizella and Anastasia to be stepsisters for another Cinderella story. Maybe Selena Gomez's sisters.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      You're right, the timeline doesn't fit for Anastasia to be one of the stepsisters...but what a shame. I hope we get some kind of resolution, and one that ties both series together. I really feel like they are on track to make sure all questions will be answered before they wrap the show up.

      Also, minor peeve, but I hate that they renamed the stepsisters. 

      I hate even more that we have to wait an extra week because of those debates.

      They didn't rename the stepsisters, they simply didn't use the Disney names, but a different source for the names. In the original story, they are simply unnamed. Also, we don't have to wait an extra week, because the debate isn't until later in the night.

      Yes, but it is still weird that they are using other names from the Disney Cinderella such as Lady Tremaine and Gus, but are chosing to not use the Disney names for the stepsisters. 

      Anyway, looking around social media, there's already a ton of fans that are confused and upset that they are seemingly ignoring Anastasia entirely. While it is true that they never outright confirmed Anastasia and Cinderella being connected on Wonderland, the hints were all glaringly there. Enough so that the majority of fans who watched Wonderland believed it. They named her Anastasia, her mother shared plenty of similarities with Lady Tremaine, and we were told that the prince chose her stepsister instead of her. I'm sorry, but I refuse to see how those were all just coincidences. Therefore, they've landed themselves in a very messy situation. It was either messing with the timeline to insert Anastasia, or ignoring what Wonderland heavily implied entirely. Since only a fraction of their audience watched Wonderland, perhaps they decided that the latter was the best option. I'm still barely holding out hope for some sort of twist that allows for both sides to be happy. It would be a shame if they decided to squander an open opportunity to further connect Wonderland to the main series.   

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    • Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      You're right, the timeline doesn't fit for Anastasia to be one of the stepsisters...but what a shame. I hope we get some kind of resolution, and one that ties both series together. I really feel like they are on track to make sure all questions will be answered before they wrap the show up.

      Also, minor peeve, but I hate that they renamed the stepsisters. 

      I hate even more that we have to wait an extra week because of those debates.

      They didn't rename the stepsisters, they simply didn't use the Disney names, but a different source for the names. In the original story, they are simply unnamed. Also, we don't have to wait an extra week, because the debate isn't until later in the night.
      Yeah, I just saw that! Thank goodness. Someone had said we were skipping a week, but I saw on another thread they are not.

      And they did rename them, in a sense, unless these are two separate characters from Anastasia and Drizella, since they are the Tremaines, as far as we've been told, and not the family from the opera or Cendrillon/Ashenputtel, but the Disney girls...unless there are two Cinderellas and Anastasia is the stepsister to the other one...which, knowing OuaT having two Cinderellas wouldn't be anything new, we've already had two Little Mermaids, two Ursulas and two Sleeping Beauties.

      Anastasia and Drizella can simply be older sisters to Clorinda and Tisbe, who do not appear in the episode, because they are already gone (Ana as we know would be in Wonderland at this time and Driz can be somewhere else as well). In that way everything can still work, more or less. I'm hoping dialog in 603 confirms this theory.

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    • ItachiIshtar wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      You're right, the timeline doesn't fit for Anastasia to be one of the stepsisters...but what a shame. I hope we get some kind of resolution, and one that ties both series together. I really feel like they are on track to make sure all questions will be answered before they wrap the show up.

      Also, minor peeve, but I hate that they renamed the stepsisters. 

      I hate even more that we have to wait an extra week because of those debates.

      They didn't rename the stepsisters, they simply didn't use the Disney names, but a different source for the names. In the original story, they are simply unnamed. Also, we don't have to wait an extra week, because the debate isn't until later in the night.
      Yes, but it is still weird that they are using other names from the Disney Cinderella such as Lady Tremaine and Gus, but are chosing to not use the Disney names for the stepsisters. 

      Anyway, looking around social media, there's already a ton of fans that are confused and upset that they are seemingly ignoring Anastasia entirely. While it is true that they never outright confirmed Anastasia and Cinderella being connected on Wonderland, the hints were all glaringly there. Enough so that the majority of fans who watched Wonderland believed it. They named her Anastasia, her mother shared plenty of similarities with Lady Tremaine, and we were told that the prince chose her stepsister instead of her. I'm sorry, but I refuse to see how those were all just coincidences. Therefore, they've landed themselves in a very messy situation. It was either messing with the timeline to insert Anastasia, or ignoring what Wonderland heavily implied entirely. Since only a fraction of their audience watched Wonderland, perhaps they decided that the latter was the best option. I'm still barely holding out hope for some sort of twist that allows for both sides to be happy. It would be a shame if they decided to squander an open opportunity to further connect Wonderland to the main series.   

      The way to make both sides happy is simple, and I've said it many times. Simply have Anastasia and Drizella be older sisters to Clorinda and Tisbe. That fits with the timeline, and explains Ana's mother's line of "At least I still have your sisters." Sisters, plural, as in more than one. Obviously, that means Ana's mother would be Lady Tremaine and a recast, but they recast Jafar, and he was a main on Wonderland, so the recast for Tremaine wouldn't be a big deal.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ItachiIshtar wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      You're right, the timeline doesn't fit for Anastasia to be one of the stepsisters...but what a shame. I hope we get some kind of resolution, and one that ties both series together. I really feel like they are on track to make sure all questions will be answered before they wrap the show up.

      Also, minor peeve, but I hate that they renamed the stepsisters. 

      I hate even more that we have to wait an extra week because of those debates.

      They didn't rename the stepsisters, they simply didn't use the Disney names, but a different source for the names. In the original story, they are simply unnamed. Also, we don't have to wait an extra week, because the debate isn't until later in the night.
      Yes, but it is still weird that they are using other names from the Disney Cinderella such as Lady Tremaine and Gus, but are chosing to not use the Disney names for the stepsisters. 

      Anyway, looking around social media, there's already a ton of fans that are confused and upset that they are seemingly ignoring Anastasia entirely. While it is true that they never outright confirmed Anastasia and Cinderella being connected on Wonderland, the hints were all glaringly there. Enough so that the majority of fans who watched Wonderland believed it. They named her Anastasia, her mother shared plenty of similarities with Lady Tremaine, and we were told that the prince chose her stepsister instead of her. I'm sorry, but I refuse to see how those were all just coincidences. Therefore, they've landed themselves in a very messy situation. It was either messing with the timeline to insert Anastasia, or ignoring what Wonderland heavily implied entirely. Since only a fraction of their audience watched Wonderland, perhaps they decided that the latter was the best option. I'm still barely holding out hope for some sort of twist that allows for both sides to be happy. It would be a shame if they decided to squander an open opportunity to further connect Wonderland to the main series.   

      The way to make both sides happy is simple, and I've said it many times. Simply have Anastasia and Drizella be older sisters to Clorinda and Tisbe. That fits with the timeline, and explains Ana's mother's line of "At least I still have your sisters." Sisters, plural, as in more than one. Obviously, that means Ana's mother would be Lady Tremaine and a recast, but they recast Jafar, and he was a main on Wonderland, so the recast for Tremaine wouldn't be a big deal.

      I'm sure they'll reference her just like they did when Will suddenly appeared in Storybrooke and everyone was wondering what happened to Ana and him.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ItachiIshtar wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      You're right, the timeline doesn't fit for Anastasia to be one of the stepsisters...but what a shame. I hope we get some kind of resolution, and one that ties both series together. I really feel like they are on track to make sure all questions will be answered before they wrap the show up.

      Also, minor peeve, but I hate that they renamed the stepsisters. 

      I hate even more that we have to wait an extra week because of those debates.

      They didn't rename the stepsisters, they simply didn't use the Disney names, but a different source for the names. In the original story, they are simply unnamed. Also, we don't have to wait an extra week, because the debate isn't until later in the night.
      Yes, but it is still weird that they are using other names from the Disney Cinderella such as Lady Tremaine and Gus, but are chosing to not use the Disney names for the stepsisters. 

      Anyway, looking around social media, there's already a ton of fans that are confused and upset that they are seemingly ignoring Anastasia entirely. While it is true that they never outright confirmed Anastasia and Cinderella being connected on Wonderland, the hints were all glaringly there. Enough so that the majority of fans who watched Wonderland believed it. They named her Anastasia, her mother shared plenty of similarities with Lady Tremaine, and we were told that the prince chose her stepsister instead of her. I'm sorry, but I refuse to see how those were all just coincidences. Therefore, they've landed themselves in a very messy situation. It was either messing with the timeline to insert Anastasia, or ignoring what Wonderland heavily implied entirely. Since only a fraction of their audience watched Wonderland, perhaps they decided that the latter was the best option. I'm still barely holding out hope for some sort of twist that allows for both sides to be happy. It would be a shame if they decided to squander an open opportunity to further connect Wonderland to the main series.   

      The way to make both sides happy is simple, and I've said it many times. Simply have Anastasia and Drizella be older sisters to Clorinda and Tisbe. That fits with the timeline, and explains Ana's mother's line of "At least I still have your sisters." Sisters, plural, as in more than one. Obviously, that means Ana's mother would be Lady Tremaine and a recast, but they recast Jafar, and he was a main on Wonderland, so the recast for Tremaine wouldn't be a big deal.
      I'm sure they'll reference her just like they did when Will suddenly appeared in Storybrooke and everyone was wondering what happened to Ana and him.

      If you are being sarcastic, it's kind of falling flat, because they did indirectly reference Ana several times. Once when Will stole the picture of the Red Queen from the library book of Through the Looking Glass, and once when Will said to someone (I think Robin): "Sometimes even when you win, you lose." Did they tell us exactly what happened, no, but that can be easily fixed by having Will get a centric this season.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Farerb wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ItachiIshtar wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      You're right, the timeline doesn't fit for Anastasia to be one of the stepsisters...but what a shame. I hope we get some kind of resolution, and one that ties both series together. I really feel like they are on track to make sure all questions will be answered before they wrap the show up.

      Also, minor peeve, but I hate that they renamed the stepsisters. 

      I hate even more that we have to wait an extra week because of those debates.

      They didn't rename the stepsisters, they simply didn't use the Disney names, but a different source for the names. In the original story, they are simply unnamed. Also, we don't have to wait an extra week, because the debate isn't until later in the night.
      Yes, but it is still weird that they are using other names from the Disney Cinderella such as Lady Tremaine and Gus, but are chosing to not use the Disney names for the stepsisters. 

      Anyway, looking around social media, there's already a ton of fans that are confused and upset that they are seemingly ignoring Anastasia entirely. While it is true that they never outright confirmed Anastasia and Cinderella being connected on Wonderland, the hints were all glaringly there. Enough so that the majority of fans who watched Wonderland believed it. They named her Anastasia, her mother shared plenty of similarities with Lady Tremaine, and we were told that the prince chose her stepsister instead of her. I'm sorry, but I refuse to see how those were all just coincidences. Therefore, they've landed themselves in a very messy situation. It was either messing with the timeline to insert Anastasia, or ignoring what Wonderland heavily implied entirely. Since only a fraction of their audience watched Wonderland, perhaps they decided that the latter was the best option. I'm still barely holding out hope for some sort of twist that allows for both sides to be happy. It would be a shame if they decided to squander an open opportunity to further connect Wonderland to the main series.   

      The way to make both sides happy is simple, and I've said it many times. Simply have Anastasia and Drizella be older sisters to Clorinda and Tisbe. That fits with the timeline, and explains Ana's mother's line of "At least I still have your sisters." Sisters, plural, as in more than one. Obviously, that means Ana's mother would be Lady Tremaine and a recast, but they recast Jafar, and he was a main on Wonderland, so the recast for Tremaine wouldn't be a big deal.
      I'm sure they'll reference her just like they did when Will suddenly appeared in Storybrooke and everyone was wondering what happened to Ana and him.

      If you are being sarcastic, it's kind of falling flat, because they did indirectly reference Ana several times. Once when Will stole the picture of the Red Queen from the library book of Through the Looking Glass, and once when Will said to someone (I think Robin): "Sometimes even when you win, you lose." Did they tell us exactly what happened, no, but that can be easily fixed by having Will get a centric this season.

      They never explicitly explained what happened and Will won't come back to the show ever.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Farerb wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ItachiIshtar wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      You're right, the timeline doesn't fit for Anastasia to be one of the stepsisters...but what a shame. I hope we get some kind of resolution, and one that ties both series together. I really feel like they are on track to make sure all questions will be answered before they wrap the show up.

      Also, minor peeve, but I hate that they renamed the stepsisters. 

      I hate even more that we have to wait an extra week because of those debates.

      They didn't rename the stepsisters, they simply didn't use the Disney names, but a different source for the names. In the original story, they are simply unnamed. Also, we don't have to wait an extra week, because the debate isn't until later in the night.
      Yes, but it is still weird that they are using other names from the Disney Cinderella such as Lady Tremaine and Gus, but are chosing to not use the Disney names for the stepsisters. 

      Anyway, looking around social media, there's already a ton of fans that are confused and upset that they are seemingly ignoring Anastasia entirely. While it is true that they never outright confirmed Anastasia and Cinderella being connected on Wonderland, the hints were all glaringly there. Enough so that the majority of fans who watched Wonderland believed it. They named her Anastasia, her mother shared plenty of similarities with Lady Tremaine, and we were told that the prince chose her stepsister instead of her. I'm sorry, but I refuse to see how those were all just coincidences. Therefore, they've landed themselves in a very messy situation. It was either messing with the timeline to insert Anastasia, or ignoring what Wonderland heavily implied entirely. Since only a fraction of their audience watched Wonderland, perhaps they decided that the latter was the best option. I'm still barely holding out hope for some sort of twist that allows for both sides to be happy. It would be a shame if they decided to squander an open opportunity to further connect Wonderland to the main series.   

      The way to make both sides happy is simple, and I've said it many times. Simply have Anastasia and Drizella be older sisters to Clorinda and Tisbe. That fits with the timeline, and explains Ana's mother's line of "At least I still have your sisters." Sisters, plural, as in more than one. Obviously, that means Ana's mother would be Lady Tremaine and a recast, but they recast Jafar, and he was a main on Wonderland, so the recast for Tremaine wouldn't be a big deal.
      I'm sure they'll reference her just like they did when Will suddenly appeared in Storybrooke and everyone was wondering what happened to Ana and him.
      If you are being sarcastic, it's kind of falling flat, because they did indirectly reference Ana several times. Once when Will stole the picture of the Red Queen from the library book of Through the Looking Glass, and once when Will said to someone (I think Robin): "Sometimes even when you win, you lose." Did they tell us exactly what happened, no, but that can be easily fixed by having Will get a centric this season.

      They never explicitly explained what happened and Will won't come back to the show ever.

      Are you Micheal Socha? Because unless you are, you can't say things like "Will won't come back to the show ever." I'm pretty sure you said Sean (Robin) would never come back ever, and, surprise surprise, he is coming back.

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    • They  cast the step-mother and one of the step-sisters, but conveniently left out who the other step-sisster is. This frther implies that it could be Anastasia, but there are some plot holes. I don't remember OUATIW that well, so I don't know exactlly where in the timeline Anastasia goes to Wonderland. I know it was after "Heart of Gold". We know the exact placement of "The Price of Gold" in the timeline. It is after "The Shepherd" and before "Snow Falls". Is it possible Anastasia went to Neverland after "The Price of Gold"? Anastasia is seems a little too old to be one of the step-sisters at the ball.

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    • She could be an older sister of the two who went to the ball

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    • Begfhn wrote:
      They  cast the step-mother and one of the step-sisters, but conveniently left out who the other step-sisster is. This frther implies that it could be Anastasia, but there are some plot holes. I don't remember OUATIW that well, so I don't know exactlly where in the timeline Anastasia goes to Wonderland. I know it was after "Heart of Gold". We know the exact placement of "The Price of Gold" in the timeline. It is after "The Shepherd" and before "Snow Falls". Is it possible Anastasia went to Neverland after "The Price of Gold"? Anastasia is seems a little too old to be one of the step-sisters at the ball.

      Assuming you mean Wonderland and not Neverland, but at any rate, Ana has to be in Wonderland before The Price of Gold, based on the fact that she knew Alice as a little girl.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Farerb wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      Farerb wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ItachiIshtar wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      You're right, the timeline doesn't fit for Anastasia to be one of the stepsisters...but what a shame. I hope we get some kind of resolution, and one that ties both series together. I really feel like they are on track to make sure all questions will be answered before they wrap the show up.

      Also, minor peeve, but I hate that they renamed the stepsisters. 

      I hate even more that we have to wait an extra week because of those debates.

      They didn't rename the stepsisters, they simply didn't use the Disney names, but a different source for the names. In the original story, they are simply unnamed. Also, we don't have to wait an extra week, because the debate isn't until later in the night.
      Yes, but it is still weird that they are using other names from the Disney Cinderella such as Lady Tremaine and Gus, but are chosing to not use the Disney names for the stepsisters. 

      Anyway, looking around social media, there's already a ton of fans that are confused and upset that they are seemingly ignoring Anastasia entirely. While it is true that they never outright confirmed Anastasia and Cinderella being connected on Wonderland, the hints were all glaringly there. Enough so that the majority of fans who watched Wonderland believed it. They named her Anastasia, her mother shared plenty of similarities with Lady Tremaine, and we were told that the prince chose her stepsister instead of her. I'm sorry, but I refuse to see how those were all just coincidences. Therefore, they've landed themselves in a very messy situation. It was either messing with the timeline to insert Anastasia, or ignoring what Wonderland heavily implied entirely. Since only a fraction of their audience watched Wonderland, perhaps they decided that the latter was the best option. I'm still barely holding out hope for some sort of twist that allows for both sides to be happy. It would be a shame if they decided to squander an open opportunity to further connect Wonderland to the main series.   

      The way to make both sides happy is simple, and I've said it many times. Simply have Anastasia and Drizella be older sisters to Clorinda and Tisbe. That fits with the timeline, and explains Ana's mother's line of "At least I still have your sisters." Sisters, plural, as in more than one. Obviously, that means Ana's mother would be Lady Tremaine and a recast, but they recast Jafar, and he was a main on Wonderland, so the recast for Tremaine wouldn't be a big deal.
      I'm sure they'll reference her just like they did when Will suddenly appeared in Storybrooke and everyone was wondering what happened to Ana and him.
      If you are being sarcastic, it's kind of falling flat, because they did indirectly reference Ana several times. Once when Will stole the picture of the Red Queen from the library book of Through the Looking Glass, and once when Will said to someone (I think Robin): "Sometimes even when you win, you lose." Did they tell us exactly what happened, no, but that can be easily fixed by having Will get a centric this season.
      They never explicitly explained what happened and Will won't come back to the show ever.
      Are you Micheal Socha? Because unless you are, you can't say things like "Will won't come back to the show ever." I'm pretty sure you said Sean (Robin) would never come back ever, and, surprise surprise, he is coming back.

      On his defense, Sean Maguire himself made it clear he wouldn't return in a bunch of interviews. I guess he had a change of heart. 

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    • Everthevillain wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Farerb wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      Farerb wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ItachiIshtar wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      You're right, the timeline doesn't fit for Anastasia to be one of the stepsisters...but what a shame. I hope we get some kind of resolution, and one that ties both series together. I really feel like they are on track to make sure all questions will be answered before they wrap the show up.

      Also, minor peeve, but I hate that they renamed the stepsisters. 

      I hate even more that we have to wait an extra week because of those debates.

      They didn't rename the stepsisters, they simply didn't use the Disney names, but a different source for the names. In the original story, they are simply unnamed. Also, we don't have to wait an extra week, because the debate isn't until later in the night.
      Yes, but it is still weird that they are using other names from the Disney Cinderella such as Lady Tremaine and Gus, but are chosing to not use the Disney names for the stepsisters. 

      Anyway, looking around social media, there's already a ton of fans that are confused and upset that they are seemingly ignoring Anastasia entirely. While it is true that they never outright confirmed Anastasia and Cinderella being connected on Wonderland, the hints were all glaringly there. Enough so that the majority of fans who watched Wonderland believed it. They named her Anastasia, her mother shared plenty of similarities with Lady Tremaine, and we were told that the prince chose her stepsister instead of her. I'm sorry, but I refuse to see how those were all just coincidences. Therefore, they've landed themselves in a very messy situation. It was either messing with the timeline to insert Anastasia, or ignoring what Wonderland heavily implied entirely. Since only a fraction of their audience watched Wonderland, perhaps they decided that the latter was the best option. I'm still barely holding out hope for some sort of twist that allows for both sides to be happy. It would be a shame if they decided to squander an open opportunity to further connect Wonderland to the main series.   

      The way to make both sides happy is simple, and I've said it many times. Simply have Anastasia and Drizella be older sisters to Clorinda and Tisbe. That fits with the timeline, and explains Ana's mother's line of "At least I still have your sisters." Sisters, plural, as in more than one. Obviously, that means Ana's mother would be Lady Tremaine and a recast, but they recast Jafar, and he was a main on Wonderland, so the recast for Tremaine wouldn't be a big deal.
      I'm sure they'll reference her just like they did when Will suddenly appeared in Storybrooke and everyone was wondering what happened to Ana and him.
      If you are being sarcastic, it's kind of falling flat, because they did indirectly reference Ana several times. Once when Will stole the picture of the Red Queen from the library book of Through the Looking Glass, and once when Will said to someone (I think Robin): "Sometimes even when you win, you lose." Did they tell us exactly what happened, no, but that can be easily fixed by having Will get a centric this season.
      They never explicitly explained what happened and Will won't come back to the show ever.
      Are you Micheal Socha? Because unless you are, you can't say things like "Will won't come back to the show ever." I'm pretty sure you said Sean (Robin) would never come back ever, and, surprise surprise, he is coming back.
      On his defense, Sean Maguire himself made it clear he wouldn't return in a bunch of interviews. I guess he had a change of heart. 

      That's my point though, we can't say whether or not an actor will come back to a show or not, because sometimes they themselves do not even know. And many things can change an actor's mind. Maybe a fan touched them with something they said, maybe they are in a job slump and coming back is the only job they are being offered, maybe they were offered a ton of money to come back, maybe they really liked how the character got to return, etc. Point is the actor has a ton of reasons they can come back, and not very many reasons to not come back.

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    • I think we'll have to just wait and see as far as Ana and Will are concerned. But I am guessing that, based on the casting and other factors, it is going to turn out to be that Ana is not related to Ella.  Yes, there were lots of hints and inuendos suggesting that Ana might be one of the Tremaine sisters, but it is possible that is all they were.

      As for whether or not an actor comes back, that is between the Actor (and their agent) and the Studio. I understand Sean's reasons for his initial comments, and what happened was rather frustrating for him personally (he had moved his family to the Vancouver area, if I recall correctly). He's had several cons since then to interact with fans and other show favorites, he's had guest starring opportunities on other shows (including portraying Ian Fleming in the new show "Timeless") to think about his acting career, and he's had time to view the continued support of fans for Robin in Social Media (and there is a lot of support still). All of that, combined with what I am hoping is a reasonable story for Robin, can influence a person to change their viewpoint.  For that topic (which is, by the way, off of the current topic), let us just be happy to see the return of Robin Hood.

      Let's try to stay on the subject of Anastasia (and Will since his story is intertwined with Ana's), if possible.

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      She could be an older sister of the two who went to the ball

      That is possible, but then she wouldn't be at the ball. She would still be with Will or already have become queen. Her connection to the Cinderella story would be irrelevant.

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    • Never mind. It has already been confirmed that the two step-sisters in this episode have different names that in the movie. Anastasia is not set to make an appearance.

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    • The hints the jabberwocky made were made towards the end of OUATIW, and they probably wrote those hints to set the stage for ana flashbacks in season 2...but since they got cancelled, it didn't work out.

      Or maybe they wanted Emma Rigby on the main show, but she wasn't able to guest star.


      Just a failed set up i guess

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    • Begfhn wrote:
      FrancisPaul wrote:
      She could be an older sister of the two who went to the ball
      That is possible, but then she wouldn't be at the ball. She would still be with Will or already have become queen. Her connection to the Cinderella story would be irrelevant.

      I don't know if it would be irrelevant, she still would be a stepsister of Cinderella, and it's quite posslbe that she kept tabs on her in Wonderland (being a magic user that shouldn't have been too hard), and at that point in the timeline, while Ana may have been the Red Queen, she was still alone (since the Red King was killed and Will ditched her) and she still didn't have the approval from her mother, assumably. And since the Jabberwocky uses your fears against you, you could argue that even though Ana became a queen, she still feared being seen as a failure because she couldn't do what her stepsister could.

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    • That's possible, but I'm not really sure where a second season of Wonderland would have gone. They told the story that needed to be told, and wrapped it up nicely. The "Cinderella" connection was really the only lingering question after the final credits rolled (at least until Will showed up on Season 4).

      But even then, there is the whole timeline question that would need to be resolved. because The events of present day Wonderland were concurrent to Season 2, while the events of flashback Wonderland indicate that Ana was in Wonderland for several years, which would put her in Wonderland well before the events of "The Price of Gold".

      At the very least, Will stole the mirror from Maleficent in Forget Me Knot, which puts them with Robin and the Merry Men in the EF sometine well before the DC. this was after the events of "Heart of Gold" (given that Robin did not know Will in that Episode's flashback), which would put Robin with Marion, but likely before the birth of Roland (who was 4 when we first see him at the beginning of Season 3, which is a little over a year after Emma first enters SB). So at least 3 years prior to the Dark Curse, give or take, and probably more. And even this evaluation leaves a few holes in the timeline that need to be rectified.

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    • Isn't it possible that time runs differently between Victorian England, Wonderland and the EF? That would mean the Red Queen could have known Alice as a child and Alice would have experienced time on a different level.

      One thing I've read on here is that Marian and Robin's appearance and the theft of the wand mean the time lines cannot allow Anastasia to be from the Cinderella story.

      I hope she ends up being a stepsister to her, even if they create two separate sets of sisters like others have theorized...it just seems so convoluted though and ultimately uneccessary. 

      But whatever! I'm just super excited to get more Cinderella!!

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    • The fact that they went with the name Lady Tremaine, but not Anastasia and Drizella for the stepsisters, still does at least suggest that they're aware of what they did on Wonderland. Though, it could simply be that they didn't want to use the name Anastasia for a separate character, since that would have confused people. People would have thought it was a recast. I at least hope that in the event Anastasia is never addressed in the episode, that Adam and Eddy are asked to clarify their decision process in an interview. It would be nice to be given some light on why they went the direction they did, considering how many fans were convinced that Anastasia and Cinderella had a connection for almost 3 years now.

      The main thing that bothers me is that I continue to get the impression that the writers are chosing to ignore what happened on Wonderland, despite what Adam said about it remaining canon. While it's true that Wonderland underperformed, it is still intertwined within the show's lore, and should be respected as such. I'm still nervous about just how they're going to fit Aladdin and Jasmine within Jafar's timeline, as another example.     

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    • ItachiIshtar wrote:
      The fact that they went with the name Lady Tremaine, but not Anastasia and Drizella for the stepsisters, still does at least suggest that they're aware of what they did on Wonderland. Though, it could simply be that they didn't want to use the name Anastasia for a separate character, since that would have confused people. People would have thought it was a recast. I at least hope that in the event Anastasia is never addressed in the episode, that Adam and Eddy are asked to clarify their decision process in an interview. It would be nice to be given some light on why they went the direction they did, considering how many fans were convinced that Anastasia and Cinderella had a connection for almost 3 years now.

      The main thing that bothers me is that I continue to get the impression that the writers are chosing to ignore what happened on Wonderland, despite what Adam said about it remaining canon. While it's true that Wonderland underperformed, it is still intertwined within the show's lore, and should be respected as such. I'm still nervous about just how they're going to fit Aladdin and Jasmine within Jafar's timeline, as another example.     

      I don't think you should be worried, at least not yet. They have never contradicted anything that has happened on Wonderland, and so I'm sure they are aware when incorporating Wonderland characters onto the main show to watch what they are doing. To me, the fact that the characters names are not Anastasia and Drizella are actually a really good sign, it means they understand that Ana was very much a reference to Cinderella's stepsister (even if she winds up not being it), and that the stepsisters we will see in this upcoming episode needed to have different names. I also believe they intend to more fully integrate Wonderland in this season. We already have Jafar and Dr. Lydgate confirmed, and I think they are hoping to get Will back as well. My fingers are crossed that they will do a good job with everything.

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    • Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      Isn't it possible that time runs differently between Victorian England, Wonderland and the EF? That would mean the Red Queen could have known Alice as a child and Alice would have experienced time on a different level.

      One thing I've read on here is that Marian and Robin's appearance and the theft of the wand mean the time lines cannot allow Anastasia to be from the Cinderella story.

      I hope she ends up being a stepsister to her, even if they create two separate sets of sisters like others have theorized...it just seems so convoluted though and ultimately uneccessary. 

      But whatever! I'm just super excited to get more Cinderella!!

      The only world confirmed by the creators to have time that moves differently is Neverland. It can be assumed that the Land of Untold Stories does as well, since it "pauses" people's stories (I don't know how, since they wouldn't be immediately put into stasis...). Wonderland has unusual physics, and extremely odd areas (the marshmallow swamp, Mallow Marsh), but it for the most part seems to have time moving at the same speed as anywhere else.

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    • I think the Land of Untold Stories is more like Storybrooke in terms of time. Yes, 30 years (or whatever) have passed, but they repeat a pattern so they don't know. But then like how Henry showed up and changed things (such as Mary Margaret cleaning out her closet and finding the book), having the heroes show up changed things and allowed Jekyll and Hyde to separate.

      I feel like Anastasia will still be introduced in this episode. Something like, everything's worked out and Emma, Ashley, and Clorinda are walking down the street when Emma says "I always thought your stepsisters were named Drizella and Anastasia, like in the movie." And Clorinda says "Oh, Ella, I almost forgot! Ana was in the Land of Untold Stories too!" And Ashley and Clorinda keep talking and Emma is confused, and then they go to see Anastasia as Ashley explains to Emma that Ana and Driz were Clorinda and Tis's older sisters, and the episode ends with Emma Rigby.

      She isn't listed in the press release, but neither was Elsa, so you never know.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I think the Land of Untold Stories is more like Storybrooke in terms of time. Yes, 30 years (or whatever) have passed, but they repeat a pattern so they don't know. But then like how Henry showed up and changed things (such as Mary Margaret cleaning out her closet and finding the book), having the heroes show up changed things and allowed Jekyll and Hyde to separate.

      I feel like Anastasia will still be introduced in this episode. Something like, everything's worked out and Emma, Ashley, and Clorinda are walking down the street when Emma says "I always thought your stepsisters were named Drizella and Anastasia, like in the movie." And Clorinda says "Oh, Ella, I almost forgot! Ana was in the Land of Untold Stories too!" And Ashley and Clorinda keep talking and Emma is confused, and then they go to see Anastasia as Ashley explains to Emma that Ana and Driz were Clorinda and Tis's older sisters, and the episode ends with Emma Rigby.

      She isn't listed in the press release, but neither was Elsa, so you never know.

      Based on that set report, we know that Mother Tremaine disapproves of one of her daughters falling for that footman. She could potentially bring up Anastasia by saying something along the lines of "Do you remember what happened to Anastasia? She ran off with that no good thief Will Scarlet, and threw her life away. Our family must move up, not down.I won't tolerate having more failures for daughters." If we got something like that, I would be very happy.  

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    • ItachiIshtar wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I think the Land of Untold Stories is more like Storybrooke in terms of time. Yes, 30 years (or whatever) have passed, but they repeat a pattern so they don't know. But then like how Henry showed up and changed things (such as Mary Margaret cleaning out her closet and finding the book), having the heroes show up changed things and allowed Jekyll and Hyde to separate.

      I feel like Anastasia will still be introduced in this episode. Something like, everything's worked out and Emma, Ashley, and Clorinda are walking down the street when Emma says "I always thought your stepsisters were named Drizella and Anastasia, like in the movie." And Clorinda says "Oh, Ella, I almost forgot! Ana was in the Land of Untold Stories too!" And Ashley and Clorinda keep talking and Emma is confused, and then they go to see Anastasia as Ashley explains to Emma that Ana and Driz were Clorinda and Tis's older sisters, and the episode ends with Emma Rigby.

      She isn't listed in the press release, but neither was Elsa, so you never know.

      Based on that set report, we know that Mother Tremaine disapproves of one of her daughters falling for that footman. She could potentially bring up Anastasia by saying something along the lines of "Do you remember what happened to Anastasia? She ran off with that no good thief Will Scarlet, and threw her life away. Our family must move up, not down.I won't tolerate having more failures for daughters." If we got something like that, I would be very happy.  

      Yes, something like that would be great. I also wouldn't mind if they threw Drizella in there as well. How about this for a scene:

      Tremaine: "Clorinda, how dare you disobey me by trying to run off with this... (sneers as she looks at Jacob) ...footman. I thought I taught you better than that."

      Clorinda: "But mother, I love him, and he loves me."

      Tremaine: "Ugh, you sound just like your older sisters. I was hoping with you and Tisbe wouldn't be a disappointment like they were."

      Clorinda: "Why must you be like this? Why can't you be happy for me? And for Drizella? And for Anastasia?"

      Tremaine: "How dare you say their names! You know we do not say their names."

      Jacob: "Ma'am please..."

      Tremaine: "How dare you speak! Know your place, footman."

      Jacob: "My name is Jacob."

      Tremaine: "Insolunt boy!" (she goes to strike him with her cane)

      Cinderella: (comes running up) "Stepmother, please stop this. When I become queen I will make sure you and Clorinda and Tisbe are taken care of."

      Tremaine: "You? Become queen? You are nothing more than a servant girl."

      Cinderella: "And yet the prince chose me."

      Alright, I got a little carried away, but that would be an awesome scene, and work Ana and Driz in in dialog.

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    • I mean, I'd be super happy with a small reference too, but I want the best thing possible, which is seeing Ana back and getting some insight into what happened between her and Will, and some resolution to it. (Or implied. Even if Socha's still mad, at least have someone say "He ran off to the Enchanted Forest with the Merry Men!" and Ana say "Well, then I guess that's where I'm going to go too." after she learns her lesson and decides life is worth living, the good and the bad (which Regina will agree with, but only until something else bad happens))

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I mean, I'd be super happy with a small reference too, but I want the best thing possible, which is seeing Ana back and getting some insight into what happened between her and Will, and some resolution to it. (Or implied. Even if Socha's still mad, at least have someone say "He ran off to the Enchanted Forest with the Merry Men!" and Ana say "Well, then I guess that's where I'm going to go too." after she learns her lesson and decides life is worth living, the good and the bad (which Regina will agree with, but only until something else bad happens))

      I think that would be cool, but if we are getting a Will and Ana episode, we should get it with them being the main focus, not as a side story to Cinderella's story. Establishing Ana in this episode could also be set up for an episode like that later in the season.

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    • Well, I'm expecting that she will be introduced in the Cinderella episode to be given a centric episode later, as I described in my earlier post.

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    • ItachiIshtar wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I think the Land of Untold Stories is more like Storybrooke in terms of time. Yes, 30 years (or whatever) have passed, but they repeat a pattern so they don't know. But then like how Henry showed up and changed things (such as Mary Margaret cleaning out her closet and finding the book), having the heroes show up changed things and allowed Jekyll and Hyde to separate.

      I feel like Anastasia will still be introduced in this episode. Something like, everything's worked out and Emma, Ashley, and Clorinda are walking down the street when Emma says "I always thought your stepsisters were named Drizella and Anastasia, like in the movie." And Clorinda says "Oh, Ella, I almost forgot! Ana was in the Land of Untold Stories too!" And Ashley and Clorinda keep talking and Emma is confused, and then they go to see Anastasia as Ashley explains to Emma that Ana and Driz were Clorinda and Tis's older sisters, and the episode ends with Emma Rigby.

      She isn't listed in the press release, but neither was Elsa, so you never know.

      Based on that set report, we know that Mother Tremaine disapproves of one of her daughters falling for that footman. She could potentially bring up Anastasia by saying something along the lines of "Do you remember what happened to Anastasia? She ran off with that no good thief Will Scarlet, and threw her life away. Our family must move up, not down.I won't tolerate having more failures for daughters." If we got something like that, I would be very happy.  

      The only problem is that Ana's mom and Tremaine are portrayed by different actresses at different ages.  So, it's pretty hard to explain why Tremaine would be older. Maybe Ana ran off to Wonderland as a teen idk and ten years later, Cinderella and her step-sisters are teens.  But there's Will and Robin in which Robin looks the same as he did in present day.  But I might be over thinking it XD. 

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    • I don't think Tremaine looks significantly older than Ana's mom. Going by Roland, Cinderella takes place three years after Anastasia, and I think that, with the added fact that recasts are hard to get perfect, we can say that Tremaine is the same woman but three years older.

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    • New theory about Annatasia, what if she's not Cinderella's stepsister, what if her mother was an archduchess and when she ran off with Will she was dead to her mother or something, I know Annatasia was a real person, but this could be a fuctionized version of her, 20th Century Fox treated her like a legend, it was just a theory, but maybe a bad theory

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    • ItachiIshtar wrote:

      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I think the Land of Untold Stories is more like Storybrooke in terms of time. Yes, 30 years (or whatever) have passed, but they repeat a pattern so they don't know. But then like how Henry showed up and changed things (such as Mary Margaret cleaning out her closet and finding the book), having the heroes show up changed things and allowed Jekyll and Hyde to separate.

      I feel like Anastasia will still be introduced in this episode. Something like, everything's worked out and Emma, Ashley, and Clorinda are walking down the street when Emma says "I always thought your stepsisters were named Drizella and Anastasia, like in the movie." And Clorinda says "Oh, Ella, I almost forgot! Ana was in the Land of Untold Stories too!" And Ashley and Clorinda keep talking and Emma is confused, and then they go to see Anastasia as Ashley explains to Emma that Ana and Driz were Clorinda and Tis's older sisters, and the episode ends with Emma Rigby.

      She isn't listed in the press release, but neither was Elsa, so you never know.

      Based on that set report, we know that Mother Tremaine disapproves of one of her daughters falling for that footman. She could potentially bring up Anastasia by saying something along the lines of "Do you remember what happened to Anastasia? She ran off with that no good thief Will Scarlet, and threw her life away. Our family must move up, not down.I won't tolerate having more failures for daughters." If we got something like that, I would be very happy.  

      I love the sound of that line, it fits perfectly with Tremaine's character.

      I hope something like this is the case. Even a verbal reference to Anastasia would be enough to officially tie everything in.

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    • Mathematicalbooks wrote:
      ItachiIshtar wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      I think the Land of Untold Stories is more like Storybrooke in terms of time. Yes, 30 years (or whatever) have passed, but they repeat a pattern so they don't know. But then like how Henry showed up and changed things (such as Mary Margaret cleaning out her closet and finding the book), having the heroes show up changed things and allowed Jekyll and Hyde to separate.

      I feel like Anastasia will still be introduced in this episode. Something like, everything's worked out and Emma, Ashley, and Clorinda are walking down the street when Emma says "I always thought your stepsisters were named Drizella and Anastasia, like in the movie." And Clorinda says "Oh, Ella, I almost forgot! Ana was in the Land of Untold Stories too!" And Ashley and Clorinda keep talking and Emma is confused, and then they go to see Anastasia as Ashley explains to Emma that Ana and Driz were Clorinda and Tis's older sisters, and the episode ends with Emma Rigby.

      She isn't listed in the press release, but neither was Elsa, so you never know.

      Based on that set report, we know that Mother Tremaine disapproves of one of her daughters falling for that footman. She could potentially bring up Anastasia by saying something along the lines of "Do you remember what happened to Anastasia? She ran off with that no good thief Will Scarlet, and threw her life away. Our family must move up, not down.I won't tolerate having more failures for daughters." If we got something like that, I would be very happy.  
      The only problem is that Ana's mom and Tremaine are portrayed by different actresses at different ages.  So, it's pretty hard to explain why Tremaine would be older. Maybe Ana ran off to Wonderland as a teen idk and ten years later, Cinderella and her step-sisters are teens.  But there's Will and Robin in which Robin looks the same as he did in present day.  But I might be over thinking it XD. 

      Well, the reason Tremaine looks different (if she is indeed the same character) would be because it is a recast, and also they wanted her to look more like Lady Tremaine from the Disney movie. The implication is that Ana running away with Will would be quite a bit earlier than Cinderella going to the ball, so Tremaine would look younger in Ana's scene then she would in Cinderella's scene. As for why Robin looks the same, that is simply just how this show works. They generally have the same actor/actress play the character, as long as they are an adult. Lana plays Regina at 18, when she saved Snow, and she plays her in present day, which is at least 10 years later (well technically at least 38 years, but she didn't age for 28 of those). Similarly, Cora and Henry Sr. are portrayed by the same actors when Regina is 8, and right before Regina casts the Dark Curse. While technically this doesn't make sense, as someone would age quite a bit from when their daughter is 8 and their daughter is 28 (and technically I think Regina is even older than that by the time the Dark Curse is cast), it would be confusing for the viewers to see 10 different actors playing the same character, and it would be a pain in the butt for the casting department to try to cast and manage all those actors, so we just need to have some suspention of disbelief as far as the characters and their lack of aging.

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    • but... we have 3 different actresses for Emma. We have 3 different actors for Neal/Baelfire. We even have 3 different actresses for Regina, if you count when she was a baby in Young Cora's arms. XD

      Seriously, you're right as far as the casting of different ages is concerned, and we're lucky to have some of the younger character casts that we have had.

      If Lady Tremaine is indeed intended to also be Ana's mom, then the only reason they look different is the recast. And honestly, how many people (outside of the hard-core fans like here) would even realize that there were 2 different actresses playing the role.  It would fall into the same category as Gaston, to be honest.  And to be fair, we are getting a legit Wonderland tie in a week or 2 when Dr. Lydgate shows up, so that episode may provide some additional clues about Ana and the timeline.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      but... we have 3 different actresses for Emma. We have 3 different actors for Neal/Baelfire. We even have 3 different actresses for Regina, if you count when she was a baby in Young Cora's arms. XD

      Seriously, you're right as far as the casting of different ages is concerned, and we're lucky to have some of the younger character casts that we have had.

      If Lady Tremaine is indeed intended to also be Ana's mom, then the only reason they look different is the recast. And honestly, how many people (outside of the hard-core fans like here) would even realize that there were 2 different actresses playing the role.  It would fall into the same category as Gaston, to be honest.  And to be fair, we are getting a legit Wonderland tie in a week or 2 when Dr. Lydgate shows up, so that episode may provide some additional clues about Ana and the timeline.

      Yes, I really cannot believe that they think we wouldn't see that as more than a coincidence. Lydgate showing up, Victorian England, Ella... it all points to some sort of connection to the spin off

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    • So, does this imply that Anastasia went to Wonderland at least 10 years before the curse? That would also mean Robin was only like 18 when he got married, although there is not a lot of evidence on where Heart of Gold falls on the timeline.

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      but... we have 3 different actresses for Emma. We have 3 different actors for Neal/Baelfire. We even have 3 different actresses for Regina, if you count when she was a baby in Young Cora's arms. XD

      Seriously, you're right as far as the casting of different ages is concerned, and we're lucky to have some of the younger character casts that we have had.

      If Lady Tremaine is indeed intended to also be Ana's mom, then the only reason they look different is the recast. And honestly, how many people (outside of the hard-core fans like here) would even realize that there were 2 different actresses playing the role.  It would fall into the same category as Gaston, to be honest.  And to be fair, we are getting a legit Wonderland tie in a week or 2 when Dr. Lydgate shows up, so that episode may provide some additional clues about Ana and the timeline.

      Yes, I really cannot believe that they think we wouldn't see that as more than a coincidence. Lydgate showing up, Victorian England, Ella... it all points to some sort of connection to the spin off

      And don't forget the biggest confirmed connection to Wonderland this season: Jafar.

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    • Begfhn wrote:
      So, does this imply that Anastasia went to Wonderland at least 10 years before the curse? That would also mean Robin was only like 18 when he got married, although there is not a lot of evidence on where Heart of Gold falls on the timeline.

      It implies something to that effect, yes. Remember, this makes sense though, because Robin appears to be the same age as Regina (if not older). Tink took young adult Regina to the tavern, where an adult Robin (at least old enough to be alone or with friends in a tavern and with a tattoo) was drinking. So (even though the actors ages don't reflect this), I believe characters like Regina, Robin, and Zelena are intended to be about 10 years older than characters like Snow, Charming, and Emma. Obviously, only Emma aged for 28 years while everyone else was frozen, which is why she is about the same age as Snow and Charming, her parents.

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    • Seems like Ana is not even mentioned in the ep, and Adam did say to ask him on Twitter for further discussions x)

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    • Before anyone screams, "How could they?". Adam is speaking the truth. Writers often do this, while Adam and Eddy being no exceptions: They hint at something worth theorizing over, but keep it vague for future revisits. Not the best of words, but that's essentially what is done.

      Ana was never confirmed to be anything besides a girl with an ambitious mother that lived in Sherwood Forest. Her having a stepsister being chosen by a prince is a nod to Cinderella, but wasn't exact as there are 672 (exaggerating!) kingdoms in the Enchanted Forest and it could be anyone of them. They set it up where if they wanted they could go either route of comfirming or denying.

      However as many of us said, there were timeline issues galore that wouldn't work out. Kudos to them, I'm sure they are cousins. XD

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    • Actually, Adam did confirm it: Ana is not Ella's stepsis ^^

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Begfhn wrote:
      So, does this imply that Anastasia went to Wonderland at least 10 years before the curse? That would also mean Robin was only like 18 when he got married, although there is not a lot of evidence on where Heart of Gold falls on the timeline.
      It implies something to that effect, yes. Remember, this makes sense though, because Robin appears to be the same age as Regina (if not older). Tink took young adult Regina to the tavern, where an adult Robin (at least old enough to be alone or with friends in a tavern and with a tattoo) was drinking. So (even though the actors ages don't reflect this), I believe characters like Regina, Robin, and Zelena are intended to be about 10 years older than characters like Snow, Charming, and Emma. Obviously, only Emma aged for 28 years while everyone else was frozen, which is why she is about the same age as Snow and Charming, her parents.

      Robin was by my guess in his mid 30s in present-ish day.

      If we go by flashback, I think Ana and Will were around their late teens, early twenties. Rememeber that Alice went back and forth to Wonderland, so I don't think she went when she was ten, then when she was 18-ish. We don't get references to other episodes in that flashback, so I couldn't tell. I'd say they've been in wonderland for around 7 or so years.

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    • 1. I knew she won't be mentioned.

      2. Glad to see that A&E still continue to tell their "story" via interviews and tweets.

      3. I'm sure that they'll lie that she was never planned to be Cinderella's stepsister when it's pretty obvious that she was.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Actually, Adam did confirm it: Ana is not Ella's stepsis ^^

      Oh, I know. I worded it weirdly. XD

      (I'm glad that they went with different names of the stepsisters from another tale as Drizella seems beyond my suspension of disbelief.)

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    • Farerb wrote:
      1. I knew she won't be mentioned.

      2. Glad to see that A&E still continue to tell their "story" via interviews and tweets.

      3. I'm sure that they'll lie that she was never planned to be Cinderella's stepsister when it's pretty obvious that she was.

      Disagree on most parts.

      1. Well, you get that as I agree.

      2. They are guilty of some story via interviews, but technically this isn't a story, just a theory being shut down.

      3. As I put ahead, as writers which isn't unusual of them, they wrote it vague so that the could go either affirmative or negative on the plot point. If they truly planned her to be Ella's stepsister, they would have outright stated it on that show or in the many interviews over the past few years.

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    • Well, at least we finally got confirmation one way or the other. And he does say he still wants to finish Ana's story, so that's good. I still think Ana is an allusion to Cinderella's stepsister, and I'm guessing that (assuming they are able to get to it) she will have a sister named Drizella.

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    • Can I have a link to where it was said that Ana is not related to Cinderella at all? Not that I doubt you, but I like to have these things :P

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      but... we have 3 different actresses for Emma. We have 3 different actors for Neal/Baelfire. We even have 3 different actresses for Regina, if you count when she was a baby in Young Cora's arms. XD

      Seriously, you're right as far as the casting of different ages is concerned, and we're lucky to have some of the younger character casts that we have had.

      If Lady Tremaine is indeed intended to also be Ana's mom, then the only reason they look different is the recast. And honestly, how many people (outside of the hard-core fans like here) would even realize that there were 2 different actresses playing the role.  It would fall into the same category as Gaston, to be honest.  And to be fair, we are getting a legit Wonderland tie in a week or 2 when Dr. Lydgate shows up, so that episode may provide some additional clues about Ana and the timeline.

      Yes, I really cannot believe that they think we wouldn't see that as more than a coincidence. Lydgate showing up, Victorian England, Ella... it all points to some sort of connection to the spin off

      Lydgate is showing up? I was like 90% sure Jafar killed him in order to get Alice's address.

      Anyways, if Regina was 18 (Lana confirmed this age) when Snow was 10 (confirmed on-screen) in "The Stable Boy", and Snow and Charming were 28 when Emma was 28 (confirmed in pre-release interviews around season 1 that they were all the same exact age), that means Regina was 36 when she cast the Curse and that there was an 18 year period of her learning magic, becoming evil and hunting Snow. If Robin is the same age as her, that would make him 36 at the time of the Curse. And if the press release for "Sisters" has any canonicity to it (I doubt it), that would make Zelena 38 at the time of the Curse.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Can I have a link to where it was said that Ana is not related to Cinderella at all? Not that I doubt you, but I like to have these things :P

      Here's a few of the responses from Adam regarding Ana and Wonderland:

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/784537339263606785

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/784537571078602755

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/784537828692750365

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Lydgate is showing up? I was like 90% sure Jafar killed him in order to get Alice's address.

      Well, he doesn't have to show up in present day. This show does feature flashbacks in nearly every episode, you know. :P

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Begfhn wrote:
      So, does this imply that Anastasia went to Wonderland at least 10 years before the curse? That would also mean Robin was only like 18 when he got married, although there is not a lot of evidence on where Heart of Gold falls on the timeline.
      It implies something to that effect, yes. Remember, this makes sense though, because Robin appears to be the same age as Regina (if not older). Tink took young adult Regina to the tavern, where an adult Robin (at least old enough to be alone or with friends in a tavern and with a tattoo) was drinking. So (even though the actors ages don't reflect this), I believe characters like Regina, Robin, and Zelena are intended to be about 10 years older than characters like Snow, Charming, and Emma. Obviously, only Emma aged for 28 years while everyone else was frozen, which is why she is about the same age as Snow and Charming, her parents.

      So, to try to make a little sense of this mathematically. Regina was 18 when she got married, approximately 18 years before the curse. Let's say Robin is the same age. He is unmarried when Tinkerbell tries to introduce him to Regina, but likely gets married within the next few years. It is unclear exactly when Heart of Gold takes place. Based on what we know, it could be anywhere from 4-18 years before the curse. I'm going to say this takes place less than 5 years after Regina gets married. This would also explain why Rumpel appears to not remember the name Robin Hood or his wife in Lacey. Let's also assume that Will is the same age as Robin and Anastasia is a few years younger. I'm going to assume Will and Anastasia went to Wonderland 5 years after Regina got married. This would make Will 23 and Ana around 18. It would also be 13 years before the curse. 10 years later, 3 years before the curse, Ana's sisters go to the ball. (Lacey takes place 4 years before the curse and Price of Gold takes place at least a few months later. If there are any questions about that, find a discussion on the tieline.) Ana would be 28 and her younger sisters would be in their late teens. This seems to follow the story line and make sense in relation to LadyTremaine's age. Also, I think we can assume that when Alice went to Wonderland the second time it was 10 years before the curse. This confirms that Ana was already there. I think this new timeline makes sense. There are no plotholes.

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    • Adam's tweets definitely make it sound like this was always the plan. It could be that he's just good at that, but I choose to have faith in him and the other writers. (That's like, the point of this show, right? Telling us that we should have faith in the writers?)

      That said, this definitely limits the chances of Ana making an appearance this year unless it's late in Season 6.

      Moving on from theorizing why she should/shouldn't be Cinderella's stepsister, what are some other places she could fit in that match the timeline and what Adam has said better? It seems unlikely that they would give Belle stepsisters, but what if we got an additional more traditional version of Beauty and the Beast, with a literal beast instead of figurative? The character of Beauty could have Anastasia and Drizella as stepsisters (instead of biological), as a nod to Cinderella.

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    • Ana could be another fairytale or story that we aren't noticing. I'll have to do some research to see if she's some literature-based nod.

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    • I think the easiest thing is for her to be from a different telling of the Cinderella story. Cinderella would obviously have a different name, as would the stepmother (who we briefly saw on Wonderland), and the stepsisters could be Anastasia and Drizella, to reflect the Disney names. There are actually many variants of the Cinderella story from all over the world, so this would make a lot of sense, in a way. If you want to see some of the variations of the story, just look here:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella

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    • Hell, they did a partial Cinderella re-telling with Cruella (with a surprise twist ending, of course), so they could easily just pull a story out of thin air and give it to Ana.

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    • Well, Ella herself was functionally The Miller's Daughter 2.0 in The Price Of Gold; Cruella was some kind of a mixture of Cinderella and Rapunzel; we even had two Little Mermaids (Ursula and then Ariel). So Ana could still be a character in one of the several Cinderella-like fairy tales that exist.

      I'm kinda sad for the death of the Ana = Ella's step sister theory, but hey, Wonderland didn't do great so it's best forgotten, ain't it? :/

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Hell, they did a partial Cinderella re-telling with Cruella (with a surprise twist ending, of course), so they could easily just pull a story out of thin air and give it to Ana.

      Cruella reminded of Rapunzel

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    • Scarydragonvamp wrote:
      The hints the jabberwocky made were made towards the end of OUATIW, and they probably wrote those hints to set the stage for ana flashbacks in season 2...but since they got cancelled, it didn't work out.

      Or maybe they wanted Emma Rigby on the main show, but she wasn't able to guest star.


      What was the hints that the Jabberwocky made?

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    • Ruby ridinghood wrote:

      Scarydragonvamp wrote:
      The hints the jabberwocky made were made towards the end of OUATIW, and they probably wrote those hints to set the stage for ana flashbacks in season 2...but since they got cancelled, it didn't work out.

      Or maybe they wanted Emma Rigby on the main show, but she wasn't able to guest star.


      What was the hints that the Jabberwocky made?

      That the prince chose her stepsister instead of her.

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    • Ruby ridinghood wrote:
      Scarydragonvamp wrote:
      The hints the jabberwocky made were made towards the end of OUATIW, and they probably wrote those hints to set the stage for ana flashbacks in season 2...but since they got cancelled, it didn't work out.

      Or maybe they wanted Emma Rigby on the main show, but she wasn't able to guest star.


      What was the hints that the Jabberwocky made?

      I believe they were the things that the Jabberwocky knew about Ana from reading her mind. Ana longed for her mother's love, but she felt that her mother favored her sister more because her sister was chosen by a prince instead of her. The Jabberwocky said Ana often wondered if she had been chosen by the prince instead, would her mother love her? 

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    • Wow, I never expected the thread to get so many replies lolll

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    • The sad thing is that the other sister appeared briefly with no dialog, they could have used Anastasia without really showing her and just talk about her as if she's off screen.

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    • Cinderella's story deserved so much better than this. 

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    • Farerb wrote:
      The sad thing is that the other sister appeared briefly with no dialog, they could have used Anastasia without really showing her and just talk about her as if she's off screen.

      It's clear that they didn't want it to be so. If they really wanted, they could. It's sad that a popular theory wasn't true, but that's how the cookie crumbles.

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    • Saintfighteraqua wrote:
      Cinderella's story deserved so much better than this. 

      Cinderella has had now 2 backstories and multiple appearances. I think it's better than most.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Farerb wrote:
      The sad thing is that the other sister appeared briefly with no dialog, they could have used Anastasia without really showing her and just talk about her as if she's off screen.

      It's clear that they didn't want it to be so. If they really wanted, they could. It's sad that a popular theory wasn't true, but that's how the cookie crumbles.

      It's not that it wasn't true, they changed it.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Farerb wrote:
      The sad thing is that the other sister appeared briefly with no dialog, they could have used Anastasia without really showing her and just talk about her as if she's off screen.
      It's clear that they didn't want it to be so. If they really wanted, they could. It's sad that a popular theory wasn't true, but that's how the cookie crumbles.

      It's not that it wasn't true, they changed it.

      And your proof? The way they set it up happens to be the way they set up a lot of things, it could be one way or the other, but they leave it vague (or not specified) so that they can plan what to do with it later.

      As far as I know, both stepsisters left for the ball were brunette. The ball was around a year or so before the curse. On the Wonderland side, we had the blonde Anastasia, who left a little less than a decade ago (afawk), have an ambitious mother who was angry at being bested by a step sister who  "got the prince".

      They could have done a twist, but there were conflicts with the theory before this episode arose. So, there's no proof that they changed anything.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Farerb wrote:
      The sad thing is that the other sister appeared briefly with no dialog, they could have used Anastasia without really showing her and just talk about her as if she's off screen.
      It's clear that they didn't want it to be so. If they really wanted, they could. It's sad that a popular theory wasn't true, but that's how the cookie crumbles.

      It's not that it wasn't true, they changed it.

      And your proof? The way they set it up happens to be the way they set up a lot of things, it could be one way or the other, but they leave it vague (or not specified) so that they can plan what to do with it later.

      As far as I know, both stepsisters left for the ball were brunette. The ball was around a year or so before the curse. On the Wonderland side, we had the blonde Anastasia, who left a little less than a decade ago (afawk), have an ambitious mother who was angry at being bested by a step sister who  "got the prince".

      They could have done a twist, but there were conflicts with the theory before this episode arose. So, there's no proof that they changed anything.

      The clues were there and they were unsubtle and unambiguous. Brunettes? If we nitpick on changing the extras from 1.04, then we also saw fat stepsisters, so how come they gained and lost weight in such a short time? What's the explanation of Gaston's different appearence? or that Alexandra changed her gender? twice? Let's not act that the audience got it wrong please. I get that they couldn't get the actress, but they could have said "We planned to have Anastasia be Cinderella's stepsister, unfortunately, Emma Rigby wasn't available so we had to change it" instead of acting as if the viewers (a lot of viewers) just made up something. In adfition, Eddy Kitsis said that once the audience figure things out, they change their plans.

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    • Eddy said it, but doesn't mean that this is the case. The writers make many mistakes and failed plots, but being presumptuous doesn't make you right.

      If they say that they originally planned her to be the stepsister, then that'll be proof. If they never get to Ana's story, there'll be lost potential. The audience isn't all knowing and they certaintly do not decide the plot.

      As I said, if they wanted her in the story whether they got the actress or not, nothing stopped them from doing so. So clearly, they had other plans. If we entertain the idea that "they changed their mind", then at the very least they were going with their original plan keeping much of 104 intact.

      Would it have been cool to see the Ana tie-in? Yes, but it doesn't mean that that they go out of their way to roundaboutly enact a story that they created for "reasons". I think they are pretty average writers and somewhat sporatic showrunners that tend to have a lot of lost potential, but I think in this case that they aren't the villains you make them out to be.

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    • Ana being one of two stepsisters to Cinderella did leave timeline issues, which is why I was a supporter of the four stepsisters theory. Obviously, they decided not to go with that, but all that means most likely is Ana is part of a different Cinderella story (like how The Little Mermaid and Sleeping Beauty also repeat themselves).

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    • My headcanon since Anastasia turned out to not be Ella's stepsister is that Anastasia is the stepsister in a alternate retelling of Cinderella. With a land as big as the Enchanted Forest with so many inhabitants, I really doubt Ella was the only one who had stepsister/stepmother/mother issues.

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    • Indeed. Let's see... Snow White seems to have had Stepmother issues as well, at least at one point. ;-)

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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