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    • Tales From The Underworld: A Knight With Cruella: Set in the Underworld and featuring Cruella and an all-new ONCE character portrayed by a special, surprise actor (James Marsters). Cruella has been left behind in the Underworld at the end of the season, and we didn’t exactly learn her fate... until now.

    Thoughts? And who could the new character (I'm assuming he is the Knight referenced in the title) be? Someone from Arthurian Legend perhaps?

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    • Interesting. It's definitely not King Arthur. Where's the link to that again?

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      Interesting. It's definitely not King Arthur. Where's the link to that again?

      http://www.stitchkingdom.com/disney-once-upon-a-time-season-5-86836/ 

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      Interesting. It's definitely not King Arthur. Where's the link to that again?

      http://www.stitchkingdom.com/disney-once-upon-a-time-season-5-86836/ 

      Thanks.

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    • Can't wait and I hope it is canon so we can see what happened to Cruella

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      Can't wait and I hope it is canon so we can see what happened to Cruella

      The way it is written it certainly sounds like it is going to be canon. Lost did mini-episodes (I believe they were posted online first, and then they were put on the DVD) and also had an epilogue that was on the DVD, and I believe those are all considered canon, so hopefully this would be too.

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    • Changed the title, because maybe people will be more interested to discuss if they know it's about resolving Cruella's storyline. XD

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Changed the title, because maybe people will be more interested to discuss if they know it's about resolving Cruella's storyline. XD

      But the title might just be longer than the "short" XD.

      I rather had no idea and headcanon that she'd become the DeVil as in Devil and had fun times battling the Once and Future King.

      I'm predicting that she stays in the UW. IF she moves on, then it best be downhill.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Changed the title, because maybe people will be more interested to discuss if they know it's about resolving Cruella's storyline. XD
      But the title might just be longer than the "short" XD.

      I rather had no idea and headcanon that she'd become the DeVil as in Devil and had fun times battling the Once and Future King.

      I'm predicting that she stays in the UW. IF she moves on, then it best be downhill.

      Headcanons can be fun, but I'd still like an offical answer from the actual show people on what happens to Cruella after 521, so if this gives us that answer, I will be happy.

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    • I'm suprised more people aren't more excited about this. A canon short, that fills in something that we otherwise probably wouldn't have gotten to see, is like the best extra they have ever put on the DVD. I hope they continue to do this on future season's DVDs.

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    • I think the short will be fun, and I rank it ahead of Deleted scenes and outtakes. But I'm not convinced that it will be canon.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I think the short will be fun, and I rank it ahead of Deleted scenes and outtakes. But I'm not convinced that it will be canon.

      The description at least makes it sound like it can be canon. We know Cruella is still in the Underworld as of 521, so if this takes place after that, it would fit in the canon. And as others have mentioned previously, we are highly unlikely to see the Underworld again in present day on the main show, as it wouldn't really serve the main plot anymore, so shorts may be a good way to show things like that. The fact that it is Tales From The Underworld, and then a subtitle, makes me thing they may want to do a whole set of these eventually, showcasing different dead characters and what happens to them in the Underworld.

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    • Canon is determined by the writers, not promotional people, not us.

      I think those who get the DVD are excited, but if you're me and don't buy the DVDs then you're pretty much as excited as you can be (until someone sneaks it on youtube randomly).

      What would be cool is if they did shorts more often. Maybe during hiatuses they just show a short or two.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Canon is determined by the writers, not promotional people, not us.

      I think those who get the DVD are excited, but if you're me and don't buy the DVDs then you're pretty much as excited as you can be (until someone sneaks it on youtube randomly).

      What would be cool is if they did shorts more often. Maybe during hiatuses they just show a short or two.

      They could also post shorts online every so often, like I said above, Lost had a series of shorts they did, and they were canon. It would be a nice way to give us extra material that doesn't fit into the main show.

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    • Like the Good Morning Storybrooke stuff suring 3B

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      Like the Good Morning Storybrooke stuff suring 3B

      Except the Good Morning Storybrooke stuff seemed more like a parody/sketch comedy, not like a canon part of the show.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Gusey1397 wrote:
      Like the Good Morning Storybrooke stuff suring 3B
      Except the Good Morning Storybrooke stuff seemed more like a parody/sketch comedy, not like a canon part of the show.

      Yeah. If they could do that, they could do the canon stuff :)

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Gusey1397 wrote:
      Like the Good Morning Storybrooke stuff suring 3B
      Except the Good Morning Storybrooke stuff seemed more like a parody/sketch comedy, not like a canon part of the show.
      Yeah. If they could do that, they could do the canon stuff :)

      Oh, gotcha.

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    • Well, here's to hoping that the short is decent, and is canon.

      I do think the fact that it will appear on the DVD, and is using the correct casting, lends some credibility to making it canon.  I would be interesed to know who the writer(s) of the short are, as that might add even more credibility.  Although, it ultimately will come down to the discretion of A & E, since that will be the only real measure that we can apply.

      but, just to take the other side, we've had some deleted scenes (some rather good deleted scenes I might add) that were released on the DVD, and these scenes are not (so far as I know) canon. So just appearing on the DVD is not a valid determination for the canonicity of the material.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Well, here's to hoping that the short is decent, and is canon.

      I do think the fact that it will appear on the DVD, and is using the correct casting, lends some credibility to making it canon.  I would be interesed to know who the writer(s) of the short are, as that might add even more credibility.  Although, it ultimately will come down to the discretion of A & E, since that will be the only real measure that we can apply.

      but, just to take the other side, we've had some deleted scenes (some rather good deleted scenes I might add) that were released on the DVD, and these scenes are not (so far as I know) canon. So just appearing on the DVD is not a valid determination for the canonicity of the material.

      Actually, all scenes on the DVD are either canon, or something along the lines of "I think they are, but I would have to check them again" via Adam. It is my belief that all scenes they put on the DVD are intended to be canon, at least as of the time they put them on the DVD. Now obviously, they may decide to do something in a later episode that may contridict something in an earlier deleted scene, but they have sort of done this with things on the show already (retconning is unfortunatly just part of a serialized thing), so obviously we would just say the later episode equals the more correct canon, except when Adam or someone else on the writing team admits a mistake was made (like Baby Alex's appearance in 407).

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    • Yeah, we have prooof that Season 4 deleted scenes are canon. 

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/604104306397052929

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    • You know what I just thought of, I wonder if the new character will be a character from a new story that will show up in Season 6. Like let's just say the guy is identified as The Horned King from Chronicals of Prydain. Does that mean we will see other Prydain characters in Season 6? Alternativly, he could be someone like Beowulf, a story which was briefly touched on in Wonderland (just using the monster Grendel). That could be interesting as well. I can't wait for the DVD to come out, so we can solve this mystery they gave us before the many mysteries of Season 6 we will surely be talking about.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      You know what I just thought of, I wonder if the new character will be a character from a new story that will show up in Season 6. Like let's just say the guy is identified as The Horned King from Chronicals of Prydain. Does that mean we will see other Prydain characters in Season 6? Alternativly, he could be someone like Beowulf, a story which was briefly touched on in Wonderland (just using the monster Grendel). That could be interesting as well. I can't wait for the DVD to come out, so we can solve this mystery they gave us before the many mysteries of Season 6 we will surely be talking about.

      ....I doubt some of those things. The character will most definitely be a knight, but will he be a relevant one? I don't know. We'll just have to wait and see for sure.

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    • Also, keep in mind that any character that is introduced in the UW is already dead. So unless the short is set sometime in the future, the new character will not be in any position to be of any lasting relevance in the main show.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Also, keep in mind that any character that is introduced in the UW is already dead. So unless the short is set sometime in the future, the new character will not be in any position to be of any lasting relevance in the main show.

      Ah, but that is where flashbacks come in. Sure, he could be dead in present day, but maybe he was a close friend of Jekyll or Hyde (or someone else that may get multiple flashbacks) and therefore he is very relevent to past events that we have not seen yet.

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    • I don't think an extremely relevant character will be introduced in a short that a really small fraction of the viewers will watch xD

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      I don't think an extremely relevant character will be introduced in a short that a really small fraction of the viewers will watch xD

      But Killian.... the short will go viral on YouTube. ;)

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    • I really doubt it will go viral xD And even if it did, many viewers would still not watch it, or even know it exists.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      I really doubt it will go viral xD And even if it did, many viewers would still not watch it, or even know it exists.

      Killian, you missed the sarcasm.

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    • I always do xD

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    • I hope that if it's canon, they would show this as a special episode before the season 6 premiere, instead of doing another clip show.

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    • actually, from what I gather, the clip with Cruella is a short, not a full episode.  But I would agree that it would be nice if they showed it as part of the clip show. But I'm not counting on it.

      Keep in mind that one of the purposes of the clip show is to help give new viewers (that have not availed themselves of Netflix and binge watching) an opportunity to at least get to know the characters and what they've been through. So we will still get the clip show.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      actually, from what I gather, the clip with Cruella is a short, not a full episode.  But I would agree that it would be nice if they showed it as part of the clip show. But I'm not counting on it.

      Keep in mind that one of the purposes of the clip show is to help give new viewers (that have not availed themselves of Netflix and binge watching) an opportunity to at least get to know the characters and what they've been through. So we will still get the clip show.

      I doubt the short will ever show up anywhere (legally) besides DVD/Blu-rays. I think part of the point of doing special shorts is to get more people to buy the DVD/Blu-ray. Still, I don't think that is a bad thing, and wouldn't mind it if we continued to get shorts on future DVD/Blu-rays.

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    • true, But I'd still like to get 13 specific episodes on a blu-ray at some point. But Probably won't get Wonderland on a DVD/Blu-Ray until the series is over and they release the entire series box set.

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    • Just in case anyone didn't see, the knight is going to be Sir Mordred (from Arthurian Legend).

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    • Has there benn any confirmation of the canonity of the short yet?

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      Has there benn any confirmation of the canonity of the short yet?

      Nope. But I'm guessing it is canon because why not? XD

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    • Unfortunately, without a source we can't :/

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Unfortunately, without a source we can't :/

      I think we should try asking Adam on Twitter, or we may be able to tell when we see the whole thing (once the DVD/Bluray comes out), but it looks like it is going to be canon. Everything Cruella said in the sneak peek, lines up with the show perfectly.

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    • I think we should consider it canon unless anything states otherwise. Of course, we wouldn't add the information until it is seen directly from the DVD.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      I think we should consider it canon unless anything states otherwise. Of course, we wouldn't add the information until it is seen directly from the DVD.

      That's against the basic rules of canonicty. We, as fans, can't decide if something is canon or not. Pretty sure we will get the answer, the DVD won't be out until a moment ^^

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    • Please let's not start with this again. Do you honestly think I don't know the rules? Besides, you put it very well yourself: "We, as fans, can't decide if something is canon or not". You're going against the exact same rule, deciding it is not canon. So please don't pretend your side of the canon-or-not debate is better backed by the rules when it is not. Trying to decide whether it is canon or not is not up to us, so calling it not canon is just as against the rules as calling it canon.

      That being said, there is zero evidence whatsoever that this might not be canon. It is an official extra, never-before-seen scene that fits perfectly into the plot without inconsistencies, and is provided to us by the producers through what is likely the most official way there is, the DVD release.

      So when I say that we should consider it canon it is not because I lack knowledge about the rules, or because I just pretend to override them, it is because to my understanding, deciding to not consider it canon is more far-fetched from the facts we have so far, than considering it canon altogether.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      Please let's not start with this again. Do you honestly think I don't know the rules? Besides, you put it very well yourself: "We, as fans, can't decide if something is canon or not". You're going against the exact same rule, deciding it is not canon. So please don't pretend your side of the canon-or-not debate is better backed by the rules when it is not. Trying to decide whether it is canon or not is not up to us, so calling it not canon is just as against the rules as calling it canon.

      That being said, there is zero evidence whatsoever that this might not be canon. It is an official extra, never-before-seen scene that fits perfectly into the plot without inconsistencies, and is provided to us by the producers through what is likely the most official way there is, the DVD release.

      So when I say that we should consider it canon it is not because I lack knowledge about the rules, or because I just pretend to override them, it is because to my understanding, deciding to not consider it canon is more far-fetched from the facts we have so far, than considering it canon altogether.


      Not saying it is not canon, just saying as long as we don't know for sure we can't make the assumption it is and so working with it as canon. That's all. Working with it, and considering it as canon would be wrong. That's why we have to get a word.

      It is easy, when we don't know something we don't use it. That's all.

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    • You still refuse to see that "not knowing" is your personal opinion about this. In my opinion, we do know enough to consider it canon. The fact that it is on the DVD plus the lack of evidence pointing that it could not be canon, is more than enough in my opinion, to know.

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    • We don't know. There is only one way to know, if they tell us it is canon. Same thing with comics, same thing with novels. Many bonus on the previous DVDs were not canon, so yeah. As you said it, the "lack of evidence" tells us to be careful. We're dealing with facts, not our personal assumptions.

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    • Gandalf7000 wrote:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc7scRxZ530 

      The Clip in Youtube


      ...Is that all there is?

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    • The Chipped Cup wrote:
      Gandalf7000 wrote:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc7scRxZ530 

      The Clip in Youtube


      ...Is that all there is?


      Nah it is just an extract :) It will be longer on the DVD ^^

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    • So how are we going to know if it is canon or not? Because I'm pretty sure the DVD isn't going to say: watch this canon short with Cruella. So that only leaves asking Adam on twitter and hoping he answers.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      So how are we going to know if it is canon or not? Because I'm pretty sure the DVD isn't going to say: watch this canon short with Cruella. So that only leaves asking Adam on twitter and hoping he answers.

      Just like I keep doing since a moment with many others people: asking on Twitter :) I'm sure we will get a word ^^

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    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTaGH7Xjxz4&feature=youtu.be 

      It's here LOL

      There's some information about Arthur's rule, Mordred's death, but not much as I thought. No resolution for the Worse Place residents. It's hilarious though.

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    • Hmmm, 50 years under Arthur. I'd think I'd be as lifeless as those lost souls. XD

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    • Now what do you suppose would happen to them after this?

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      Now what do you suppose would happen to them after this?

      Well, there's little chance for Cruella to come back to show since this takes place 50 years after the Season 5 finale. I think Cruella will just end up going to the Worse Place once the Underworld runs out of booze.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Hmmm, 50 years under Arthur. I'd think I'd be as lifeless as those lost souls. XD

      I burst out laughing, because almost everyone in Storybrooke is likely dead.

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    • Cruella is the real MVP in the underworld lol

      But Cruella said in 5x13 that she missed the gin... how? o.O

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Hmmm, 50 years under Arthur. I'd think I'd be as lifeless as those lost souls. XD
      I burst out laughing, because almost everyone in Storybrooke is likely dead.

      Sure this follows up in some separate thread, but Once's afterlife isn't really that bad. Depressing, but not terrible. Everyone down there's practically immortal and just doing whatever they wish to do. Bet all the SB townsfolk are down there too. XD

      At least it confirms that Cruella didn't realize her name was like that and that she'd actually not mind skinning a human. Cruella's last name must be Bolton. (GOT reference).

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Cruella is the real MVP in the underworld lol

      But Cruella said in 5x13 that she missed the gin... how? o.O

      I watched the clip, but did she actually get gin? Maybe that's all there was, lol.

      This clip is 50 years after season 5.

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    • Wait 50 years after? I might have misheard but I thought King Arthur Killed Mordred fifty years ago before he met our heroes and before he took over the underworld and made things right.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      Wait 50 years after? I might have misheard but I thought King Arthur Killed Mordred fifty years ago before he met our heroes and before he took over the underworld and made things right.

      Arthur isn't even 50 years old when he died, so this is 50 years after Arthur becomes Ruler of the Underworld.

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    • Wicked Wizard of the West wrote:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTaGH7Xjxz4&feature=youtu.be 

      It's here LOL

      There's some information about Arthur's rule, Mordred's death, but not much as I thought. No resolution for the Worse Place residents. It's hilarious though.

      It is really short, which is unfortunate. On the plus side, it seems canon. And since it is 50 years after the end of Season 5, it won't conflict with anything. XD

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Hmmm, 50 years under Arthur. I'd think I'd be as lifeless as those lost souls. XD
      I burst out laughing, because almost everyone in Storybrooke is likely dead.

      Sure this follows up in some separate thread, but Once's afterlife isn't really that bad. Depressing, but not terrible. Everyone down there's practically immortal and just doing whatever they wish to do. Bet all the SB townsfolk are down there too. XD

      At least it confirms that Cruella didn't realize her name was like that and that she'd actually not mind skinning a human. Cruella's last name must be Bolton. (GOT reference).

      After watching the second episode of Season Six, I knew she was related to Ramsay. (GOT reference.)

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      Wait 50 years after? I might have misheard but I thought King Arthur Killed Mordred fifty years ago before he met our heroes and before he took over the underworld and made things right.
      Arthur isn't even 50 years old when he died, so this is 50 years after Arthur becomes Ruler of the Underworld.

      I rewatched the short and now already figured it out. So there.

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    • So they can live forever in a world where they remain the same age they died and they can basically do whatever they want. Apparently there is no Gin, but any other drink and we're supposed to feel like the Underworld is this terrible place that people should be scared of and be afraid to die, but honestly I just don't get doesn't anyone just kill themselves.

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    • Because noone knows that except for the Charming hero gang?

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    • Can someone change the ruler of Underworld from the infobox? Cruella isnt the ruler now, its King Arthur.

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    • Awww, its the gin :(

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    • ThisIsTaboada wrote: Can someone change the ruler of Underworld from the infobox? Cruella isnt the ruler now, its King Arthur.

      Sadly, no. That Blu-ray extra is not confirmed as canon.

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    • Nightlily wrote:

      ThisIsTaboada wrote: Can someone change the ruler of Underworld from the infobox? Cruella isnt the ruler now, its King Arthur.

      Sadly, no. That Blu-ray extra is not confirmed as canon.

      Okay :D

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