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  • Hello everyone! Beware of spoilers!

    What a wonderful finale! Basically we've got the Evil Queen and Regina at the same moment, so the most logical thing would be to just use the Evil Queen article for her information, and Regina's page for hers. The only thing we would have to do is add a simple new section for the Evil Queen's page, "After Jekyll's Serum" And a disclaimer on Regina's history for "For events regarding her evil counterpart, see Evil Queen.", placed right after the events of An Untold Story.

    What do you all think?

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    • I agree

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    • Agree

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    • I agree.

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    • I would agree. But it gets iffy because getting past Regina and the EQ being one uncursed  identity (I know, guys), this EQ is more of a figment or some form of Regina's darkness. I babble on to much. I guess it'll makes sense to put on the EQ's page, but technically, it's should be on Regina's page and that way somethings don't overlap.

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    • I agree

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    • Well, the Evil Queen was Regina's identity before the curse, but the two are present at the same moment, so the Evil Queen in An Untold Story isn't Regina's Enchanted Forest identity, she's Regina's evil identity. I propose that we create a new page and perhaps title it "Regina Mills (Evil Half)" and *maybe* rename the current page for Regina "Regina Mills (Good Half)".

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    • I agree with the original suggestion.

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    • The Evil Queen and Regina are one.  Just as "Dark Swan" and Emma are one.  This separation and labeling are immature nonsense.

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    • ONCEFanandHappyHippo wrote: Well, the Evil Queen was Regina's identity before the curse, but the two are present at the same moment, so the Evil Queen in An Untold Story isn't Regina's Enchanted Forest identity, she's Regina's evil identity. I propose that we create a new page and perhaps title it "Regina Mills (Evil Half)" and *maybe* rename the current page for Regina "Regina Mills (Good Half)".

      No, the Evil Queen is not Regina from the past, it is Regina's uncursed identity. That doesn't necessarily mean "past" or even "a different time". We have been swapping between the pages as she moved from one to another. So far it has been due to the Curses, now we just got another version. And now they are at the same time.

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    • CTrent29 wrote:
      The Evil Queen and Regina are one.  Just as "Dark Swan" and Emma are one.  This separation and labeling are immature nonsense.

      At one point, they were one. Just as Jeckyll and Hyde were one being. But with the twist that Once just introduced, they are now seperate entities. as is Regina and the Evil Queen. 

      I will say that I agree with Killian's suggestion, for now. But the (pointless?) question I propose is will they remain seperate entities once season 6 is over? In other words, is this a permanent situation, or just temporary?

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    • I agree with this, because now Regina and the Evil Queen are two separate beings existing at the same time. 

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      ONCEFanandHappyHippo wrote: Well, the Evil Queen was Regina's identity before the curse, but the two are present at the same moment, so the Evil Queen in An Untold Story isn't Regina's Enchanted Forest identity, she's Regina's evil identity. I propose that we create a new page and perhaps title it "Regina Mills (Evil Half)" and *maybe* rename the current page for Regina "Regina Mills (Good Half)".

      No, the Evil Queen is not Regina from the past, it is Regina's uncursed identity. That doesn't necessarily mean "past" or even "a different time". We have been swapping between the pages as she moved from one to another. So far it has been due to the Curses, now we just got another version. And now they are at the same time.

      This is a bit of a technicality, because Regina retained her original identity to begin with. She probably had some fake memories implanted (at least to the extent of knowing how the LWM functions), but she never lost her identity to gain a new one. We can't make a clear distinction like for, say, Archie and Giminy, or Mother Superior and Blue. Regina Mills and the Evil Queen are effectively the same person – or at least they were until the serum.

      With this said, the entries on the subject would be very small at the moment: my suggestion is thus to write them temporarily on the pertaining pages (i.e.: the showdown on both, the trip back to SB on Regina Mills', the showdown with the Dragon on the Evil Queen's) and wait for S6, when we see the two of them in action, to make a final decision.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:

      CTrent29 wrote:
      The Evil Queen and Regina are one.  Just as "Dark Swan" and Emma are one.  This separation and labeling are immature nonsense.

      At one point, they were one. Just as Jeckyll and Hyde were one being. But with the twist that Once just introduced, they are now seperate entities. as is Regina and the Evil Queen. 

      I will say that I agree with Killian's suggestion, for now. But the (pointless?) question I propose is will they remain seperate entities once season 6 is over? In other words, is this a permanent situation, or just temporary?

      Just like we do when they are temporarily in the Enchanted Forest (curse-undone) and then re-cursed and back to Storybrooke, the Evil Queen article will stop being updated when the Evil Queen gets either destroyed or merged back into Regina, and we'll have a disclaimer, just like "For events taking place after the casting of the first curse", that would say "For events taking place after the Evil Queen got merged back into Regina, see Regina Mills."

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    • We should simply say "after 3rd curse" and note that regina and the evil queen were split.

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    • Agree with the original suggestion.

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    • agrred with original suggestion

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    • I think we wait until season 6 gets going. Doing anything now is kind of pointless since we don't know the full effects of the serum. I have a feeling the two are still linked somehow. Same goes with Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. The EQ we have now is Regina's inner dark side, not her former self from the flashbacks. IF Regina and EQ are separated for most of season 6 then I'd go with adding info to both Regina Mills and EQ pages respectively with the title "After Split Personality" or something like that. 

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    • Guys I think that season 6 will show that for a person to exist both Darkness and Light are needed! Yin & Yang. The Evil Queen is Regina and Regina is the Evil Queen. You can not have one without the other. They are one and since she can not die I think that this means that both she and Regina must die since they are one. I thought that that Gold would be separted into Light and Dark but this happened to Regina. So, I think it will happen to others in S6 like Emma. Maybe a Dark Swan return and a EQ team up would be interesting. 

      I believe that the articles should as they are. S6 is going to be amazing!!

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    • Agree with Killian's original idea!

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    • Why do we have to create a new heading? Can't we just explain the whole split personality thing in under "After Third Curse"?

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    • abc list them as two people guys regina and evil queen r the same page just put on trivia she splits into too people on the page though and why is everyone shocked that they split the second i saw mr hyde in the beginning i knew they where going to pull this they need a fil in villian until the jack in  sorry i mean the new realms arc 

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    • Also, what if we list the Evil Queen's status as "Alive (Split)"? 

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    • Furber15 wrote:
      abc list them as two people guys regina and evil queen r the same page just put on trivia she splits into too people on the page though and why is everyone shocked that they split the second i saw mr hyde in the beginning i knew they where going to pull this they need a fil in villian until the jack in  sorry i mean the new realms arc 

      The EQ in flashback and the EQ that we see in 5x23 aren't the same identity. Let's be honest, if Jekyll was Dark Cursed and become John Jacob. Then we'd have a John Jacob, Jekyll, and Hyde page. I know it's simpler to just choose the EQ page, but that's like saying that Jekyll is Hyde and thus they share a page.

      By Hades' flaming hair, I do convolute things a little.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Furber15 wrote:
      abc list them as two people guys regina and evil queen r the same page just put on trivia she splits into too people on the page though and why is everyone shocked that they split the second i saw mr hyde in the beginning i knew they where going to pull this they need a fil in villian until the jack in  sorry i mean the new realms arc 
      The EQ in flashback and the EQ that we see in 5x23 aren't the same identity. Let's be honest, if Jekyll was Dark Cursed and become John Jacob. Then we'd have a John Jacob, Jekyll, and Hyde page. I know it's simpler to just choose the EQ page, but that's like saying that Jekyll is Hyde and thus they share a page.

      By Hades' flaming hari, I do convolute things a little.

      Are you saying we should make a new page for the new Evil Queen?

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    • OUAT: The Darkness wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Furber15 wrote:
      abc list them as two people guys regina and evil queen r the same page just put on trivia she splits into too people on the page though and why is everyone shocked that they split the second i saw mr hyde in the beginning i knew they where going to pull this they need a fil in villian until the jack in  sorry i mean the new realms arc 
      The EQ in flashback and the EQ that we see in 5x23 aren't the same identity. Let's be honest, if Jekyll was Dark Cursed and become John Jacob. Then we'd have a John Jacob, Jekyll, and Hyde page. I know it's simpler to just choose the EQ page, but that's like saying that Jekyll is Hyde and thus they share a page.

      By Hades' flaming hari, I do convolute things a little.

      Are you saying we should make a new page for the new Evil Queen?

      I'm betting that many wouldn't want a new EQ page because it would confuse some, but I just like to give a well-rounded view because if we get some Dark-Spirit Snow, we surely wouldn't put that on the Snow page or the MM page. Would we?

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      OUAT: The Darkness wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Furber15 wrote:
      abc list them as two people guys regina and evil queen r the same page just put on trivia she splits into too people on the page though and why is everyone shocked that they split the second i saw mr hyde in the beginning i knew they where going to pull this they need a fil in villian until the jack in  sorry i mean the new realms arc 
      The EQ in flashback and the EQ that we see in 5x23 aren't the same identity. Let's be honest, if Jekyll was Dark Cursed and become John Jacob. Then we'd have a John Jacob, Jekyll, and Hyde page. I know it's simpler to just choose the EQ page, but that's like saying that Jekyll is Hyde and thus they share a page.
      By Hades' flaming hari, I do convolute things a little.
      Are you saying we should make a new page for the new Evil Queen?
      I'm betting that many wouldn't want a new EQ page because it would confuse some, but I just like to give a well-rounded view because if we get some Dark-Spirit Snow, we surely wouldn't put that on the Snow page or the MM page. Would we?

      You do bring up a good point. Why treat a new Evil Queen differently than an Evil Snow?

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    • Not to be a tattle tale, but somebody has added on the Evil Queen's page. All the events after the split are under "After Third Curse." It works fine, but I think we do need to discuss the point Eskaver brought up.

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    • I agree with the original suggestion, we didn't create a new page for Dark Swan or Dark Hook because they were the same person.  This new Evil Queen is still the Evil Queen and is even called that by the characters.  If there becomes an Evil Snow I would say put it on Snow's page just like the Evil Queen should b on the Evil Queens page.  For Jekyll and Hyde I see it as more cursed and uncursed counterparts of the same person than two people.  And I would call Evil Queen the cursed counterpart of Regina, she was cursed with loss and betrayal as she is now cursed with the Jekyll/Hyde personality split potion. I don't think the new Evil Queen will do anything the old Evil Queen wouldn't have done but remember we are talking about the person who ripped her own father heart out and crushed it so she could get revenge and she loved her father more than anyone else at that point in time.

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    • So for now,

      • Agree with Killian's idea: me, TheFireJay, My Pretties, SSJJ, CDA, HMCooper, ItachiIshtar, GothicNarcissus (temporary), Nightlily, Gusey, Onceuponfan123, Frulna = 12
      • Should be on Regina Mills' page: CTrent (I suppose?), Hydrosaur, KOMI (I suppose?), OUAT: The Darkness, Furber15 = 5
      • Other solution, whith nothing on EQ or RM's pages: Eskaver, OnceFanandHappy (new page like Regina (Bad Side)) = 2
      • Wait until S6: Cjtrules15 = 1

      If I misunderstood someone tell me :)

      And we need more opinions!

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    • Just to ponit out, there was an evil Snow in 4x21/4x22 and we put it on the Snow page under alternate reality. Same with Charming and the dwarves and so many other characters. So this "new" Evil Queen should go on  the Evil Queen page

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    • I agree with Killian's idea

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    • Lady Junky wrote: So for now,

      • Agree with Killian's idea: me, TheFireJay, My Pretties, SSJJ, CDA, HMCooper, ItachiIshtar, GothicNarcissus (temporary), Nightlily, Gusey, Onceuponfan123, Frulna = 12
      • Should be on Regina Mills' page: CTrent (I suppose?), Hydrosaur, KOMI (I suppose?), OUAT: The Darkness, Furber15 = 5
      • Other solution, whith nothing on EQ or RM's pages: Eskaver, OnceFanandHappy (new page like Regina (Bad Side)) = 2
      • Wait until S6: Cjtrules15 = 1

      If I misunderstood someone tell me :)

      And we need more opinions!

      You misunderstood me. I think (for the time being) Killian's solution is the best option.

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    • Yeah, I also agree with Killian's idea, just was introducing something that may pop up in the future.

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    • So updated then it looks like this:

      • Agree with Killian's idea: me, TheFireJay, My Pretties, SSJJ, CDA, HMCooper, ItachiIshtar, GothicNarcissus (temporary), Nightlily, Gusey, Onceuponfan123, Frulna, Rubenvst, OUAT: The Darkness, Eskaver = 15
      • Should be on Regina Mills' page: CTrent (I suppose?), Hydrosaur, KOMI (I suppose?), Furber15 = 4
      • Other solution, whith nothing on EQ or RM's pages: OnceFanandHappy (new page like Regina (Bad Side)) = 1
      • Wait until S6: Cjtrules15 = 1

      I think that should be a good enough consensus, no? Also, if we're not sure what CTrent and KOMI are saying, I don't think we should say they want it to stay on Regina's page, so really that is more like 2.

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    • It is not accurate to use the EQ page. That's for her identity before the Dark Curse.

      If Mary Margaret drinks the potion, it will create a second body for her with her dark feelings, but that won't be Snow White. Ir will be the incarnation of Mary Margaret's darkness.

      It just happens that, in Regina's case, it is called the Evil Queen, but that is not her identity from before the curse. It is just like when Regina was under the Spell of Shattered Sight. She was referred to as Evil Queen, dressed and behaved (behove?) like Evil Queen, but she was still Regina Mills.

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    • If we add the history on Evil Queen page, what would be her status: Alive? Things would be get really messy with that way. We have an "Evil Queen" page and a "Regina Mills" page, just because Queen Regina was cursed. Not because she was evil and now she's redeemed. That Regina, is not her before-curse-self at all. What we need is a new Evil Queen page. Those are my thoughts anyway.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      If we add the history on Evil Queen page, what would be her status: Alive? Things would be get really messy with that way. We have an "Evil Queen" page and a "Regina Mills" page, just because Queen Regina was cursed. Not because she was evil and now she's redeemed. That Regina, is not her before-curse-self at all. What we need is a new Evil Queen page. Those are my thoughts anyway.

      She should be treated just like Jekyll and Hyde. Each has their page, so that's the logical thing.

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    • Otherwise, we can do a tab on Regina Mills's page. Under After the Third Curse, from the moment they split we do a tab "Good Half", "Bad Half" and each tabber would tell us the story of the body and the events of the same time.

      If they don't reunite, no problem. If they do we'll just have to continue normally after the tabber :)

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    • Agree with that^^^

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    • I'm changing my vote too. I'm voting for Lady's new idea.

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    • Lady's new idea I agree. Tabbers in Regina Mills' page.

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    • Lady's New Idea

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    • Agree with Lady

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    • Agreed Lady!

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    • So, for now, if I update:

      • Agree with Killian's idea: TheFireJay, My Pretties, SSJJ, CDA, HMCooper, ItachiIshtar, GothicNarcissus (temporary), Nightlily, Frulna, Rubenvst = 10
      • Agree with my idea: Onceuponfan123, OUAT: The Darkness, FrancisPaul, Gusey, Eskaver, KOMI = 6
      • Should be on Regina Mills' page: CTrent (I suppose?), Hydrosaur, Furber15 = 3
      • Other solution, whith nothing on EQ or RM's pages: OnceFanandHappy (new page like Regina (Bad Side)) = 1
      • Wait until S6: Cjtrules15 = 1
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    • I still think it will be less confusing if we have the good half be on Regina's page and the bad half be on Evil Queen's page, but my second choice if we don't do that would be Lady's idea of two tabs on Regina's page.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I still think it will be less confusing if we have the good half be on Regina's page and the bad half be on Evil Queen's page, but my second choice if we don't do that would be Lady's idea of two tabs on Regina's page.

      People are kinda right. The Evil Queen is NOT her dark side page, it is her life when she is not cursed. Her dark side took the appearance of the Evil Queen, just like Hyde is Jekylll's dark side appearance. It is harder to understand because it is Regina/Evil Queen but if we go with a possible exemple like MM having her dark side out of her. It would not be snow white. Maybe a Dark Snow like her AU counterpart, but in any case the real snow white. The current Evil Queen is not the original one, just one half of her.

      And I don't get how it can be confusing with tabbers, it helps us to make everything clear without using a big space on the page.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I still think it will be less confusing if we have the good half be on Regina's page and the bad half be on Evil Queen's page, but my second choice if we don't do that would be Lady's idea of two tabs on Regina's page.
      People are kinda right. The Evil Queen is NOT her dark side page, it is her life when she is not cursed. Her dark side took the appearance of the Evil Queen, just like Hyde is Jekylll's dark side appearance. It is harder to understand because it is Regina/Evil Queen but if we go with a possible exemple like MM having her dark side out of her. It would not be snow white. Maybe a Dark Snow like her AU counterpart, but in any case the real snow white. The current Evil Queen is not the original one, just one half of her.

      And I don't get how it can be confusing with tabbers, it helps us to make everything clear without using a big space on the page.

      I just meant the confusion in having them refer to her dark side as "The Evil Queen", and she is most likely going to act like The Evil Queen we see prior to the first curse, and yet we are going to be talking about it on Regina's page. Like we're leaving Jekyll and Hyde seperate, even though they are technically the same person. To me, it is easier to use two seperate pages, as that is how they are going to treat the characters on the show.

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    • If we use one page for both of them, with a tabber, then what about Jekyll and Hyde? We should do the same for them.

      I still think the original idea is the best.

      ~The Queen is back!

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    • Rubenvst wrote:
      If we use one page for both of them, with a tabber, then what about Jekyll and Hyde? We should do the same for them.

      I still think the original idea is the best.

      ~The Queen is back!

      Jekyll and Hyde are two different looking charaters and essentially two separate characters in the story that they are from. If Hook's dark side comes out looking like an evil rabbit, then yes, it deserves another page.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Rubenvst wrote:
      If we use one page for both of them, with a tabber, then what about Jekyll and Hyde? We should do the same for them.

      I still think the original idea is the best.

      ~The Queen is back!

      Jekyll and Hyde are two different looking charaters and essentially two separate characters in the story that they are from. If Hook's dark side comes out looking like an evil rabbit, then yes, it deserves another page.


      Plus two different actors so. And if I follow your logic, then it should not even be on EQ page but on a third page.

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    • I'm torn. She is credited as the Evil Queen. In the past if there is a credit for a character, then those events involving them goes on their page. 

      I think that it breaks down to this for me though. Jekyll used a potion to completely separate himself from Hyde. Jekyll has his own page, Hyde has his own page where the events surrounding them. Regina used the same potion and was separated into two different people. David asked why Hyde looked different and Jekyll said that it was how he envisions his darkside (paraphrasing here). Regina envisions her 'darkside' as the Evil Queen, so when the potion separates them, they become two different entities, just like Jekyll and Hyde. So my opinion is that whatever we do for Jekyll/Hyde has to be the same for Regina/pseudo-Evil Queen. 

      The bottom line is that Jekyll and Regina took the exact same potion with the exact same results. The only difference is that Jekyll's darkside is played by another actor. 

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    • abc already fix the characters pages so we don't need to worry about it but season 6 will come back in september or a least will leak season 6 previews

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    • Tabs are a good idea, but I would be fine with a third page. We must recognize that Jekyll and Hyde have one page each, so it is logical that Regina has a separate page as well. Something like Regina (Dark Side).

      This article focuises on the version of Regina created by Dr. Jekyll's Serum. For the EF character, see Evil Queen.

      Regina Mills' Dark Side, better known as The Evil Queen, is a character...

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    • 3 pages for the same character would be too confusing. To me, it is just impossible and out of question. If we really have to choose, I'd rather keep Killian's idea x)

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      3 pages for the same character would be too confusing. To me, it is just impossible and out of question. If we really have to choose, I'd rather keep Killian's idea x)

      Or yours, with the tabs XD

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:
      3 pages for the same character would be too confusing. To me, it is just impossible and out of question. If we really have to choose, I'd rather keep Killian's idea x)
      Or yours, with the tabs XD


      I was saying it, in case people would prefer a third page rather than two tabs ^^

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    • Trying to seperate Regina Mills from the Evil Queen (EF) from the Evil Queen (dark side) is giving me a headache.  Why, Once? Why do you have to make things so complicated? XD

      We have been keeping pages seperate based on their EF persona vs. their Storybrooke persona.  so we have things like the Evil Queen v Regina, Snow White v Mary Margaret.  It got a little weird when names were not changed (Jefferson (EF) v Jefferson (SB)), but we adapted.  We managed things like Zelena, Robin Hood, etc easy enough, keeping seperate pages.  But in all of these cases, we had EF story which was largely in the past and SB Story that occured post curse.

      with Arthur and company (including Merida), there is only one page, since there truly is no differentiation between EF and SB persona.  Same with Hades (and people we met in the UW). Plus the people that were recurring in the UW were continuations of their most previous persona, usually the SB one.

      Now with Jekyll and Hyde, and by extension Regina and the EQ (Dark), we have a totally different situation than we have dealt with in the past. the EQ Dark both is and is not Regina. Even with the current dual pages, the SB persona is a single threaded continuation of one character. with the change for J&H and R&EQ, it is no longer a single threaded continuation of a single character, but a complete split in storyline, with each entity having a distinct and differet set of adventures that do not (to our knowledge) have any impact on their 'other half'.

      while I initally favored Killian's approach, I think the proposal for a third page, as confusing as it may seem, is the correct presentation (at least based on what we know now).  the Dark, Post Serum Rendition of the EQ is not the same as the EQ from the EF, nor is it the same as Regina Mills.

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    • I agree with Lady's suggestion.

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    • Agree with Lady Junky.

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    • I can see either my suggestion or Lady's working. The dark doppleganger is indeed the Evil Queen from Regina's past, it is the evil person she was and that has remained hidden deep inside her all these years. Her personality and appearance are those of the Evil Queen, not Regina. She doesn't act like during-the-curse Regina, post-curse-Regina nor redeemed-Regina, she acts like pre-casting of the curse Evil Queen, and she looks like her. She has nothing of the Dark Curse (not the appearance or the personality), so it really fits in the Evil Queen article, like I suggested.

      This will also solve the problem of the appearances sections. We don't know if Regina and the Evil Queen will appear in the same episodes, so their appearances can be easily distinguished if we use the already separate articles.

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    • However I agree with tabbers on Regina Mills' page, that is a lot simpler.

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    • So, for now, we have:

      • Agree with Killian's idea: TheFireJay, My Pretties, SSJJ, CDA, GothicNarcissus (temporary), Nightlily, Frulna, Rubenvst = 8
      • Agree with my idea: Onceuponfan123, OUAT: The Darkness, FrancisPaul, Gusey, Eskaver, KOMI, ItachiIshtar, Everthevillain, Killian = 9
      • hould be on Regina Mills' page: CTrent (I suppose?), Hydrosaur, Furber15 = 3
      • Other solution, whith nothing on EQ or RM's pages: OnceFanandHappy, The Broken Queen, HMCooper (new page like Regina (Bad Side)) = 3
      • Wait until S6: Cjtrules15 = 1
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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      I can see either my suggestion or Lady's working. The dark doppleganger is indeed the Evil Queen from Regina's past, it is the evil person she was and that has remained hidden deep inside her all these years. Her personality and appearance are those of the Evil Queen, not Regina. She doesn't act like during-the-curse Regina, post-curse-Regina nor redeemed-Regina, she acts like pre-casting of the curse Evil Queen, and she looks like her. She has nothing of the Dark Curse (not the appearance or the personality), so it really fits in the Evil Queen article, like I suggested.

      This will also solve the problem of the appearances sections. We don't know if Regina and the Evil Queen will appear in the same episodes, so their appearances can be easily distinguished if we use the already separate articles.


      She looks and acts like her but it is not her. The Evil Queen, our page, is the original persona of Regina. The current Evil Queen is the personnification of Regina's bad half so technically one half of the original Evil Queen, the bad one.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      Killian Jones wrote:
      I can see either my suggestion or Lady's working. The dark doppleganger is indeed the Evil Queen from Regina's past, it is the evil person she was and that has remained hidden deep inside her all these years. Her personality and appearance are those of the Evil Queen, not Regina. She doesn't act like during-the-curse Regina, post-curse-Regina nor redeemed-Regina, she acts like pre-casting of the curse Evil Queen, and she looks like her. She has nothing of the Dark Curse (not the appearance or the personality), so it really fits in the Evil Queen article, like I suggested.

      This will also solve the problem of the appearances sections. We don't know if Regina and the Evil Queen will appear in the same episodes, so their appearances can be easily distinguished if we use the already separate articles.


      She looks and acts like her but it is not her. The Evil Queen, our page, is the original persona of Regina. The current Evil Queen is the personnification of Regina's bad half so technically one half of the original Evil Queen, the bad one.

      I agree with you 100%, but it's technically not Regina either. That's like saying Hyde is Jekyll. They are the same person, yes, but we don't merge those two, so maybe "Evil Regina" is the best option.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:

      Killian Jones wrote:
      I can see either my suggestion or Lady's working. The dark doppleganger is indeed the Evil Queen from Regina's past, it is the evil person she was and that has remained hidden deep inside her all these years. Her personality and appearance are those of the Evil Queen, not Regina. She doesn't act like during-the-curse Regina, post-curse-Regina nor redeemed-Regina, she acts like pre-casting of the curse Evil Queen, and she looks like her. She has nothing of the Dark Curse (not the appearance or the personality), so it really fits in the Evil Queen article, like I suggested.

      This will also solve the problem of the appearances sections. We don't know if Regina and the Evil Queen will appear in the same episodes, so their appearances can be easily distinguished if we use the already separate articles.


      She looks and acts like her but it is not her. The Evil Queen, our page, is the original persona of Regina. The current Evil Queen is the personnification of Regina's bad half so technically one half of the original Evil Queen, the bad one.

      I agree with you 100%, but it's technically not Regina either. That's like saying Hyde is Jekyll. They are the same person, yes, but we don't merge those two, so maybe "Evil Regina" is the best option.

      I agree with that or with the original idea

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      I agree with you 100%, but it's technically not Regina either. That's like saying Hyde is Jekyll. They are the same person, yes, but we don't merge those two, so maybe "Evil Regina" is the best option.

      That I can agree

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    • I think having three pages for Regina is unnessisary, we can use the Evil Queen page for "Dark Regina", as she looks and acts like the Evil Queen, and is being called the Evil Queen. We can just note on the Evil Queen page that "Dark Regina" was made from Jekyll's serum and took the form of the Evil Queen (which makes sense as that is Regina's dark side form). And, as Killian mentioned, that way we can show when just Regina or just the Evil Queen appears in an episode.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I think having three pages for Regina is unnessisary, we can use the Evil Queen page for "Dark Regina", as she looks and acts like the Evil Queen, and is being called the Evil Queen. We can just note on the Evil Queen page that "Dark Regina" was made from Jekyll's serum and took the form of the Evil Queen (which makes sense as that is Regina's dark side form). And, as Killian mentioned, that way we can show when just Regina or just the Evil Queen appears in an episode.

      If we merge the two personalities, then we should merge Jekyll and Hyde. Just because Jekyll sees his worst as a different human being doesn't mean that we can't merge them. I still vote for another Evil Queen page (we can name it "Dark Regina" or "Evil Regina" or whatever), but if we merge the two, then we have to merge Jekyll and Hyde.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I think having three pages for Regina is unnessisary, we can use the Evil Queen page for "Dark Regina", as she looks and acts like the Evil Queen, and is being called the Evil Queen. We can just note on the Evil Queen page that "Dark Regina" was made from Jekyll's serum and took the form of the Evil Queen (which makes sense as that is Regina's dark side form). And, as Killian mentioned, that way we can show when just Regina or just the Evil Queen appears in an episode.
      If we merge the two personalities, then we should merge Jekyll and Hyde. Just because Jekyll sees his worst as a different human being doesn't mean that we can't merge them. I still vote for another Evil Queen page (we can name it "Dark Regina" or "Evil Regina" or whatever), but if we merge the two, then we have to merge Jekyll and Hyde.

      No, you misunderstand me. Good Regina will stay on Regina Mill's page and Evil Regina will go on the Evil Queen's page. So they will be seperate, just like Jekyll and Hyde.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I think having three pages for Regina is unnessisary, we can use the Evil Queen page for "Dark Regina", as she looks and acts like the Evil Queen, and is being called the Evil Queen. We can just note on the Evil Queen page that "Dark Regina" was made from Jekyll's serum and took the form of the Evil Queen (which makes sense as that is Regina's dark side form). And, as Killian mentioned, that way we can show when just Regina or just the Evil Queen appears in an episode.
      If we merge the two personalities, then we should merge Jekyll and Hyde. Just because Jekyll sees his worst as a different human being doesn't mean that we can't merge them. I still vote for another Evil Queen page (we can name it "Dark Regina" or "Evil Regina" or whatever), but if we merge the two, then we have to merge Jekyll and Hyde.
      No, you misunderstand me. Good Regina will stay on Regina Mill's page and Evil Regina will go on the Evil Queen's page. So they will be seperate, just like Jekyll and Hyde.

      Oh, I see. But...I don't know. I guess this is the hardest subject that discussed in this Wiki lol.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:

      Oh, I see. But...I don't know. I guess this is the hardest subject that discussed in this Wiki lol.

      You can say that again. Everybody's ideas are son reasonable, I keep changing my mind, but I don't want to be difficult and keep switching my vote

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    • agreed

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    • this makes it very hard to do the wikia. 

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    • Predict two possible outcomes:

      - Evil Queen and Regina come to an understanding that neither one can completely snuff out the other for both sides together made character Regina the woman she is now, and re-merge into one.

      - Fight Club.

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    • I think that ultimately, both Regina and the EQ, and Jekyll and Hyde, are going to end up merged back together, for reasons stated above. Someone above drew a parallel to the Star Trek episode "The Enemy Within", and I think that this could eventually play out in a similar fashion.

      Now, given that William Shatner is a fan of Once, it would be humerously ironic if he were to have a guest role in the episode that resolves the splits (assuming it does resolve with both sides being merged back together).

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    • Look, I haven't been around here in a looooong time, but, to me, it never made sense that the characters from lands with magic were separate from those of Storybrooke. I mean, they are not counterparts; they're the same characters, but with different memories, social positions, skills etc. (even Snow remarks this when she claims she no longer wants to be called "Mary Margaret"). Anyway, my point is that it would make more sense if the past in the Enchanted Forest was part of the Regina Mills article and the Evil Queen was used solely by the new separate entity.

      However, I like Killian's original idea. I know, I know, "they're not the same". Technically, they are. When Regina was called the Evil Queen in the past, she was completely moved by her inner evil, that she now sees as and calls that. Come on, even the promo slogan for her is THE QUEEN IS BACK!

      Well, it's probably settled by now, so, I'm sorry for the spamming message, but that's my opinion.

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    • I like Lady's first Idea

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    • Just to let you know, we have the Evil Queen (Serum) page now as Lana confirmed she will be playing two characters, Regina/Evil Queen and the new Serum Evil Queen :)

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      Just to let you know, we have the Evil Queen (Serum) page now as Lana confirmed she will be playing two characters, Regina/Evil Queen and the new Serum Evil Queen :)

      I would love to see what you will do when they merge again...

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    • ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote:
      Gusey1397 wrote:
      Just to let you know, we have the Evil Queen (Serum) page now as Lana confirmed she will be playing two characters, Regina/Evil Queen and the new Serum Evil Queen :)
      I would love to see what you will do when they merge again...

      No issue at all. When they merge, one page stops (EQ Serum) and the other page continues as normal.

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    • Can we discuss with the community about hiding the "(Serum)" in "Evil Queen (Serum)" in episode cast lists?

      Here's the thing, we would still add *Lana Parilla as Evil Queen (Serum)", with the link to EQS page, but the part in parentheses would be hid. It really looks ugly and there is no point in showing it when we hide (Enchanted Forest) from Belle (Enchanted Forest) or (Sea Witch) from Ursula (Sea Witch) or (DunBroch) from Witch (DunBroch) etc.

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      Can we discuss with the community about hiding the "(Serum)" in "Evil Queen (Serum)" in episode cast lists?

      Here's the thing, we would still add *Lana Parilla as Evil Queen (Serum)", with the link to EQS page, but the part in parentheses would be hid. It really looks ugly and there is no point in showing it when we hide (Enchanted Forest) from Belle (Enchanted Forest) or (Sea Witch) from Ursula (Sea Witch) or (DunBroch) from Witch (DunBroch) etc.


      You already asked why and we already explained you why we won't hide the "(Serum)" part for the Evil Queen.

      It is necessary to make it clearer that it is this character and not the EF persona. Plus, our current case is unique on the wiki, and completely different from the others so.

      So, what's the point to try to overrule this?

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    • If I recall correctly, few people gave their opinion on that.

      I am still not convinced that it is different from the other cases. The user will click or just hover over the Evil Queen and will be redirected to the right page, the Serum one.

      It is not less susceptible to confusion than a viewer seeing 306 cast list and read Ursula. They might very well think "What, Ursula is Merrin Dungey and she is only in S4!". Then they will check and realize that is the other Ursula. And no need to add (Deity) in the cast list.

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      If I recall correctly, few people gave their opinion on that.

      I am still not convinced that it is different from the other cases. The user will click or just hover over the Evil Queen and will be redirected to the right page, the Serum one.

      It is not less susceptible to confusion than a viewer seeing 306 cast list and read Ursula. They might very well think "What, Ursula is Merrin Dungey and she is only in S4!". Then they will check and realize that is the other Ursula. And no need to add (Deity) in the cast list.

      Again your exemple is COMPLETELY different, and out of context.

      On 306 page, people will read "Yvette Nicole Brown as Ursula (Voice)", no "Merrin Dungey as Ursula". They won't just the character name, they will also read the actor name. So yeah, a little knowledge about OUAT will make them say "Oh, wait, this is not the Sea Witch, it is the Goddess because different actress". There is no need of adding a precision because it is not the same actress.

      In the current case - and without the "(Serum)" - we would have two same credits "Lana Parilla as Evil Queen". And it is confusing. Especially if the reader do not know how we separate pages. Contrary to your exemple, in the current case there is NO way to know which Evil Queen we are talking about. So yeah, keeping "(Serum)" is absolutely necessary to make this difference.

      On episode pages, we have to be as clear as possible at the first sight. On episode pages, people have to know immediatly what we are talking about. And, in the context of S6, "Lana Parilla as Evil Queen" is not clear enough. Also, many of our readers are using a mobile phone. Hovering is impossible. That's why we show the difference.

      And that's what we already explained you.

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    • Just saying that "if the reader do not know how we separate pages" he would be equally confused to see "Sebastian Stan as Jefferson". If he didnt click, he wouldn't know which Jefferson it was. There will always be some amount of readers that doesn't know at first sight how our dynamics works. 

      That mobile argument makes sense, though.

      Anyway, I see I'll have to live with that (Serum) part. It's okay.

      On a different matter, can we get more opinions on this matter? About being uncredited or not?

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    • Honestly, I still don't understand why the serum queen even needs her own page. We didn't create Snow White (SB Memories) and Prince Charming (SB Memories) and Evil Queen (SB Memories) after they undid Peter Pan's curse. I still think serum queen should just be under the Evil Queen page, we will know it is the serum queen, as she will be in the present day timeline, while the original version will only be before the first curse, and the aformentioned one after they undid Pan's curse.

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      Just saying that "if the reader do not know how we separate pages" he would be equally confused to see "Sebastian Stan as Jefferson". If he didnt click, he wouldn't know which Jefferson it was. There will always be some amount of readers that doesn't know at first sight how our dynamics works. That mobile argument makes sense, though.

      Anyway, I see I'll have to live with that (Serum) part. It's okay.

      On a different matter, can we get more opinions on this matter? About being uncredited or not?


      This discussion is meant to be over. We are supposed to delete comments after 1 month without answer. Which is the case. The uncredited part was decided because of our logic. Lana is credited for the EF counterpart since day 1, so it'd be illogical to pretend "Evil Queen as starring" is the serum character. So, to give more sense with the previous pages, we put it under uncredited.

      It was discussed among the present admins, and even utter agreed on that point.

      I delete the comment, as I am supposed to, but the discussion can be concluded here. To give all explanations to everyone :)

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Honestly, I still don't understand why the serum queen even needs her own page. We didn't create Snow White (SB Memories) and Prince Charming (SB Memories) and Evil Queen (SB Memories) after they undid Peter Pan's curse. I still think serum queen should just be under the Evil Queen page, we will know it is the serum queen, as she will be in the present day timeline, while the original version will only be before the first curse, and the aformentioned one after they undid Pan's curse.

      We won't come back on this. We discussed with the community, that's what most of people wanted. A third page, so we did it.

      That part is already closed. Everyone has to do some efforts with it now :) Plus, we can't say the discussion is not recent ;)

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    • I wasn't aware of that, because only admins discussed and nothing more was said lol

      I saw the comments and it appeared that nothing was decided.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Honestly, I still don't understand why the serum queen even needs her own page. We didn't create Snow White (SB Memories) and Prince Charming (SB Memories) and Evil Queen (SB Memories) after they undid Peter Pan's curse. I still think serum queen should just be under the Evil Queen page, we will know it is the serum queen, as she will be in the present day timeline, while the original version will only be before the first curse, and the aformentioned one after they undid Pan's curse.
      We won't come back on this. We discussed with the community, that's what most of people wanted. A third page, so we did it.

      That part is already closed. Everyone has to do some efforts with it now :) Plus, we can't say the discussion is not recent ;)

      Fair enough. I do think we need to see which memories the serum queen retained, before making a final verdict. It is possible that they will make it so the serum queen only has the memories of Regina before casting the curse, which will mean she wants to destroy Snow, Charming, and Emma, and all who side with them. If so, people may change their mind about the pages.

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    • I'd say to simply wait, perhaps even after the season. That's when it would be best to return to the subject with any qualms or concerns. There's no need to re-open a debate over a character whose been seen for 5 minutes of one episode when there's so much more incoming. 

      So, give it at least til the Winter hiatus (time period) to watch and discern. Maybe the show will just make it even harder to  discuss. XD

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    • the evil queen will be one rude villian only to easy be smacked by the upcoming heroes but the goods news is the show is returning in 2 months time 

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    • I just came up with a theory, it seems like season 6 could possibly be the last season so what if there was a battle with the Evil Queen and Regina finally proves her heroism by sacraficing herself to protect Storybrooke and she's reunited with Daniel in the afterlife (I would like for her to be with Robin, but apparently he is nonexistent)

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    • I think since Regina feared the Evil Queen side of herself, the Evil Queen might end up being more powerful than her. Yeah, I realize that Regina defeated her already, but catching someone by surprise doesn't count as being more powerful. I don't think that the Serum Evil Queen will be as easily smacked down as everyone thinks. Seeing as she survived her heart being crushed, something that always means certain death on the show, I think she'll most certainly be a force to be reconned with.

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    • CTrent29 wrote:
      The Evil Queen and Regina are one.  Just as "Dark Swan" and Emma are one.  This separation and labeling are immature nonsense.

      I couldn't agree more!

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    • After seeing how they are handleing the Serum Queen, I actually agree she is a third entity, different from the original Evil Queen and Regina, so I think the third page was the best option.

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    • If it helps, the way it is set up on the Disney Wiki is all information pertaining to Regina and the Evil Queen prior to the separation with serum is listed on Regina's (or in this case the animated Evil Queen from Disney's Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs) page  and any event that happened after the separation is listed on Regina's page or the page for the serum Evil Queen  (dubbed "Evil Regina" on the Disney Wiki) depending on which version actually participated in the event. If both were involved, Regina's information/perspective is placed on her page and Evil Regina's is placed on hers.

      However, Regina's page on the DW hasn't been updated to include her information from Season 6 yet, so they are a little off in terms of aligning events. Evil Regina's page is up to date though.

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