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  • I have noticed that the "Season 6 Two Brothers" thread is becoming season 6 speculation land. To keep that thread on-topic as speculation about the two brothers, this thread has been created to discuss the upcoming mental hospital arc.

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    • Hoping this is the LWC arc I have been predicting. Even if it's not though, between this and Dead of Summer on Freeform, it seems Adam and Eddy are in a horror mood.

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    • Really glad it's not Lion King characters.

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    • Well if Robin is dying I can see Regina checking into a mental hospital which would be interesting...

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    • I think that a "Mental Hospital Arc" speaks volumes on the writers and their plans.

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    • Maybe we get to see Alice again.

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    • I wonder if they're going to build on the backstory of Nurse Ratched and the Mop Patient. I mean, Regina must have come across them at some point for them to get swept up in the curse.

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    • I have a feeling this Asylum arc, will take place in the LWM.

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    • Interesting alternative idea.

      The asylum in question could be the same asylum from Wonderland. You know, the one in Victorean England that Alice was a resident of for a short time.

      If that is the case, this arc could serve to begin a bridging of the 2 shows (better than was done when Michael was starring on the show).

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    • Someone on set yesterday got a picture of a wedding dress in a Storybrooke shop window and it's the same one that Alice wore in OUATIW. (They have changed the mannequin's dress several times throughout the series and I believe it's Emma's fitted black 'Dark One' dress during the underworld episodes) https://twitter.com/LauBayOUAT/status/710128933946011648

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    • I didn't like the theme of 6A being a Mental Hospital, I think they're going to far of the fairy tales. The only way to make it work, in my opnion is to make this the same place where Alice was.

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    • Do we really believe it's a full-on Arc?  I am not biting just yet.  I would accept just an episode or two to setup character development for Jacob/Nathaniel.

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    • I'm assuming the mental hospital part is only half of it. I think it could be Hunchback and Frollo in the hospital with flashbacks to LWC. Think of it like in Season 1 - half of it just took place in a town in Maine. If they had described the show like that withough mentioning the fairytales we would all be reacting the way we are now. There's more to what they are saying. They probably just don't want to give too much away.

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    • I don't think we should worry too much until we know who these characters are from literature. Knowing that will give us a base as to what they are doing. And also a reminder, horror stories are within the scope of this show, as was established by Frankenstien in Season 2.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Interesting alternative idea.

      The asylum in question could be the same asylum from Wonderland. You know, the one in Victorean England that Alice was a resident of for a short time.

      If that is the case, this arc could serve to begin a bridging of the 2 shows (better than was done when Michael was starring on the show).

      Maybe Alice could come over to OUAT for a while, help the heroes with this asylum thing, and then leave, giving her closure. However, this would *probably* mean that Sophie Lowe would have to have time in her schedule to guest star.

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    • Yeah, I think the initial report of 'Mental Hospital Arc' is probably misleading. It comes off as if everyone will spend 6A in a mental hospital or something and I doubt that will happen. That's not fairytale-like at all. We will probably get to see it regarding the brothers' backstory, unless one of our characters ends up there in the beginning or something. (Robin? Henry?)

      And was Alice from our world England or a magical realm England? I don't really remember. I've assumed our world, since magic didn't seem to exist in hers, but I think people have said otherwise.....

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      We will probably get to see it regarding the brothers' backstory, unless one of our characters ends up there in the beginning or something. (Robin? Henry?)

      How about both Robin and Henry?

      At this point it would be more shocking, if Robin Hood was kidnapped and locked in an insane asylum. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      We will probably get to see it regarding the brothers' backstory, unless one of our characters ends up there in the beginning or something. (Robin? Henry?)
      How about both Robin and Henry?

      At this point it would be more shocking, if Robin Hood was kidnapped and locked in an insane asylum. 

      Then we'll have another "Save <enter person name here>" Arc. We've already had two arcs -- "Save Henry" and "Save Emma", and now "Save Hook". I think a "Save Robin" arc would make the saving-a-person arc a plot device... just like the Dark Curse. Also, I do agree with some of the people who think that we aren't going to spend a half season in an asylum. Unless they're going to introduce an Asylum realm...

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    • I tend to agree that spending a full 11 episodes at an asylum would be a bit extreme. That is probably just going to be the launch point. My guess is that the Asylum part may actually be flashback material, while Jacob and Nathaniel are actually involved with something else in the present day.  And the Asylum flashback may help to resolve Nurse Ratched and Chief Mopthefloor (as both seem to be characters associated with One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest).

      And I'm still pulling for connection with the Asylum from Wonderland as well.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      We will probably get to see it regarding the brothers' backstory, unless one of our characters ends up there in the beginning or something. (Robin? Henry?)
      How about both Robin and Henry?

      At this point it would be more shocking, if Robin Hood was kidnapped and locked in an insane asylum. 

      It would have to be a huge death fake-out though, because it looks like they filmed his funeral and his son + group of Merry Men have left Storybrooke. When people are buried on this show, they tend to stay dead. Like if it turns out his body was stolen and he actually wasn't dead or something, that would be a crazy segue into a new arc. 

      Henry, on the other hand, is off in NYC at the moment without any adult supervision so he's pretty much just waiting to be kidnapped by some person with magical connections xD 

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    • They kill off too many characters on this show.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Yeah, I think the initial report of 'Mental Hospital Arc' is probably misleading. It comes off as if everyone will spend 6A in a mental hospital or something and I doubt that will happen. That's not fairytale-like at all. We will probably get to see it regarding the brothers' backstory, unless one of our characters ends up there in the beginning or something. (Robin? Henry?)

      And was Alice from our world England or a magical realm England? I don't really remember. I've assumed our world, since magic didn't seem to exist in hers, but I think people have said otherwise.....

      Alice is from fictional Victorian England. It is a world frozen in the Victorian era, much like Cruella came from a world frozen in the 1920's. All other stories set in the Victorian era are in the world Alice is from, although we only got Pride and Prejudice confirmed.

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    • Nicksessor wrote: They kill off too many characters on this show.

      WHAT. How many shows do you watch?

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      It would have to be a huge death fake-out though, because it looks like they filmed his funeral and his son + group of Merry Men have left Storybrooke. When people are buried on this show, they tend to stay dead. Like if it turns out his body was stolen and he actually wasn't dead or something, that would be a crazy segue into a new arc. 

      Not really.... everyone who went to the Underworld, probably already has a headstone. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      JennaMae wrote:

      It would have to be a huge death fake-out though, because it looks like they filmed his funeral and his son + group of Merry Men have left Storybrooke. When people are buried on this show, they tend to stay dead. Like if it turns out his body was stolen and he actually wasn't dead or something, that would be a crazy segue into a new arc. 

      Not really.... everyone who went to the Underworld, probably already has a headstone. 

      I think only dead people have a headstone in the UW. Anyway, with this particular arc and Hook being revived, I'd say the show needs to re-establish death as a... threat. Either the Underworld gets destroyed or, if Robin does die, he goes directly to Elysium/Olympic and can't be brought back.

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    • Had Emma listen to Hook in Camelot, he probably would have died without unfinished business. Besides, we already know that Hades plans to kill all of Hook's friends.... which explains the headstones.

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    • I like the idea of the hospital being Alice's hospital! I had this headcanon that when she came back from wonderland she became a psychologist and got a job there, so she can make sure all of the patients were listened to and treated well, unlike when she stayed there. I think that would be cool

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    • MOD:

      Guys, let's take the conversation about death and the underworld to a more appropriate thread (there are several to choose from).  We should be focusing on the 6A arc, and more specifically how the mental hospital/asylum fits in with said arc.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Nicksessor wrote: They kill off too many characters on this show.

      WHAT. How many shows do you watch?

      I watch a lot of shows Chameleon, thank you for asking. I wonder what they will really do with the mental hospital arc.

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    • I'm glad to read that a lot of wiki folks agree that the Mental Hosp plot is not meant to be a full-on arc.  PHEW!!! 

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:
      I'm glad to read that a lot of wiki folks agree that the Mental Hosp plot is not meant to be a full-on arc.  PHEW!!! 

      Just because people think that, doesn't mean that it won't be. Also, I wouldn't worry about it, until we acutally get more information. Because two vague character descriptions and saying an arc will focus around a mental hospital, doesn't really give us much to go on. For all we know, it will be focused around a mental hospital, but in a totally different way than what we are thinking now.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      DarlingDavies wrote:
      I'm glad to read that a lot of wiki folks agree that the Mental Hosp plot is not meant to be a full-on arc.  PHEW!!! 

      Just because people think that, doesn't mean that it won't be. Also, I wouldn't worry about it, until we acutally get more information. Because two vague character descriptions and saying an arc will focus around a mental hospital, doesn't really give us much to go on. For all we know, it will be focused around a mental hospital, but in a totally different way than what we are thinking now.

      Just taking comfort in the like-minded thoughts.

      Will be interesting, no matter what!

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      DarlingDavies wrote:
      I'm glad to read that a lot of wiki folks agree that the Mental Hosp plot is not meant to be a full-on arc.  PHEW!!! 
      Just because people think that, doesn't mean that it won't be. Also, I wouldn't worry about it, until we acutally get more information. Because two vague character descriptions and saying an arc will focus around a mental hospital, doesn't really give us much to go on. For all we know, it will be focused around a mental hospital, but in a totally different way than what we are thinking now.

      Just taking comfort in the like-minded thoughts.

      Will be interesting, no matter what!

      Yep, it is will be interesting, that is for sure.

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    • If they go this route, I'm hoping that they utilize Nurse Ratched since they even introduced her character into the show in the first place.

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    • Did anyone else think of the two brothers Jacob and the Man in Black from Lost? The description of the characters seemed to make me think of them.

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    • I already said it's definitely a reference since there's 2 brothers and one is called Jacob, although the reference is just likely for the casting call and they aren't actual brothers.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Hoping this is the LWC arc I have been predicting. Even if it's not though, between this and Dead of Summer on Freeform, it seems Adam and Eddy are in a horror mood.

      What does 'LWC' mean?

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    • MrInigo1995 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Hoping this is the LWC arc I have been predicting. Even if it's not though, between this and Dead of Summer on Freeform, it seems Adam and Eddy are in a horror mood.
      What does 'LWC' mean?

      Land Without Color, the realm that Dr. Whale originates from.

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    • Mowgli's Road wrote:
      MrInigo1995 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Hoping this is the LWC arc I have been predicting. Even if it's not though, between this and Dead of Summer on Freeform, it seems Adam and Eddy are in a horror mood.
      What does 'LWC' mean?
      Land Without Color, the realm that Dr. Whale originates from.

      Thank you! You know, it's been a very long while since that land was shown. Hopefully something wonderful will be written. I always wonder what the final story will be. Something Disney? Something mythological?

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    • Maybe they will introduce a tiny, green, floating alien that only Snow can see


      And that will lead to the mental hospital arc XD

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    • Really??! We're not going the Flintstones route.

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    • In "Ruby Slippers", Dorothy mentioned that her family tried to have her committed.  This is similar to what happened to Alice in OUATiW.  I wonder if we're going to see this insurgence of "regular people" popping up all over the place who were committed for knowing/seeing/believing in Magic.  Perhaps if there is a small arc regarding institutions, we'll see a montage of folks who have seen things.  "Things" being, real life, but accidental, exposure to magic, the EF?

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    • Now that is an interesting concept. And it might open possibilities for further looks into characters like The Dragon from Season 2.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Now that is an interesting concept. And it might open possibilities for further looks into characters like The Dragon from Season 2.

      yes.  i didn't even think of the Dragon, excellent point.

      but i have to imagine that other people (characters from stories we know about who are "regular people", like the Darlings) have had Magical run-ins.  all over the world. it would make for a very opening credits montage.  zeroing in on many different institutions around the world where people are saying, "it's real, i saw it!".  but who knows.  but the whole Alice/Dorothy/"committed" thing is just too suspicious to let go.

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Now that is an interesting concept. And it might open possibilities for further looks into characters like The Dragon from Season 2.
      yes.  i didn't even think of the Dragon, excellent point.

      but i have to imagine that other people (characters from stories we know about who are "regular people", like the Darlings) have had Magical run-ins.  all over the world. it would make for a very opening credits montage.  zeroing in on many different institutions around the world where people are saying, "it's real, i saw it!".  but who knows.  but the whole Alice/Dorothy/"committed" thing is just too suspicious to let go.

      That's just the Home Office all over again, but for real this time. I don't think the writers would go that way, honestly. I hope they have something like that which would be interesting, but that would require more land without magic and the writers can't go without their CGI and special effects for magic and magical realms, XD

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      DarlingDavies wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Now that is an interesting concept. And it might open possibilities for further looks into characters like The Dragon from Season 2.
      yes.  i didn't even think of the Dragon, excellent point.

      but i have to imagine that other people (characters from stories we know about who are "regular people", like the Darlings) have had Magical run-ins.  all over the world. it would make for a very opening credits montage.  zeroing in on many different institutions around the world where people are saying, "it's real, i saw it!".  but who knows.  but the whole Alice/Dorothy/"committed" thing is just too suspicious to let go.

      That's just the Home Office all over again, but for real this time. I don't think the writers would go that way, honestly. I hope they have something like that which would be interesting, but that would require more land without magic and the writers can't go without their CGI and special effects for magic and magical realms, XD

      i know it's not the concensus, but i sort of loved the whole Home Office thing.  i wish that evolved more.  alas...

      with the way season 6A is teased, i can't even begin to feel confident about where they'll be taking us next season. but if they start off with an arc of Institutionalism, i do hope it's short, but extremely intersting. 

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      That's just the Home Office all over again, but for real this time. I don't think the writers would go that way, honestly. I hope they have something like that which would be interesting, but that would require more land without magic and the writers can't go without their CGI and special effects for magic and magical realms, XD

      Agree

      I don't want more Gregs and Tamaras

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    • to be fair, the writers never really developed Greg and Tamara. We got very little backstory on Tamara, except for what we saw with August in "Selfless, Brave, and True". and all we really got on Greg/Owen was what was shown in "Welcome to Storybrooke".  Plus the "Home Office" was really just a front organization for Peter Pan.

      I don't think I'd necessarily want the show to do more with a legitimate "Home Office" Concept (which I imagine as more of an illuminati type group that really does want to either control or eliminate all magic in all realms), but it could make some great fiction on the side. The way that story (in my headcanon) goes is that the lands without magic are lands that are already controlled by the "Home Office" (I'll use that but it is not the same HO as we saw in season 2). The trace amounts of magic that remain in them are either HO members that control the magic, or rebels seeking to overthrow the HO. And both sides, in the lands controlled by the HO, would sell their "Magic" at high prices.

      and in my Headcanon, the Dragon is one of the controlling members of the real HO, and has a fair amount of knowledge about the few magical creatures in the LWM, including Bae, Emma, Ingrid, and August.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I tend to agree that spending a full 11 episodes at an asylum would be a bit extreme. That is probably just going to be the launch point. My guess is that the Asylum part may actually be flashback material, while Jacob and Nathaniel are actually involved with something else in the present day.  And the Asylum flashback may help to resolve Nurse Ratched and Chief Mopthefloor (as both seem to be characters associated with One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest).

      And I'm still pulling for connection with the Asylum from Wonderland as well.

      I agree that it should be mini-story instead of full-on arc, but would be great way to introduce Alice with the new movie coming out!

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    • new arc details two brothers who r link to magic aka the brothers grim comes to storybrooke but when the spell tranforms the town into a big prision they must due everything to fix it

      new relams arc the beanstalk grows into to town and the gang discovers so much more in the land above story brooke (jack and the trolls will be in the series arc)

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    • Furber15 wrote:
      new arc details two brothers who r link to magic aka the brothers grim comes to storybrooke but when the spell tranforms the town into a big prision they must due everything to fix it

      new relams arc the beanstalk grows into to town and the gang discovers so much more in the land above story brooke (jack and the trolls will be in the series arc)

      A&E already confirmed they are not the Brothers Grimm.

      And we know that they are Jekyll and Hyde.

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    • thanks for the names but still had to give the plots everyone was freaking out about it so i give them what abc is going to do

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    • After the finale, I don't think that this is going to be as much of an asylum arc as it is a possible Land of Untold Stories arc.

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    • Ooooh this is going to be so exciting. The Evil Queen is back and is most likely going to kill some people including one or two major characters. And what will she do next? Bring her black knights to Storybrooke? I highly doubt the major character she will or will try to kill will be Snow.

      And speaking of Snow White, I can see more focus on her this time and more flashbacks of Bandit Snow White.

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    • Ok, I think we are going to get a bit of a definite Season 1 vibe. Hyde mentioned that he brought a few friends with him. And I think that as we see the friends, we'll get THEIR backstories. And as we are introduced to the new characters and finish their stories (with help from the author?) we'll see the conflict unfold from the various sides.

      I'll post other thoughts, as they relate to the episode, on the episode discussion thread.

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    • I wonder who the main villain of 6A will be, the Evil Queen or Hyde? Or will they end up joining forces?

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    • MyPretties wrote:
      I wonder who the main villain of 6A will be, the Evil Queen or Hyde? Or will they end up joining forces?

      That would be interesting. New (Hyde) and old (the Evil Queen) united.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Ok, I think we are going to get a bit of a definite Season 1 vibe. Hyde mentioned that he brought a few friends with him. And I think that as we see the friends, we'll get THEIR backstories. And as we are introduced to the new characters and finish their stories (with help from the author?) we'll see the conflict unfold from the various sides.

      I'll post other thoughts, as they relate to the episode, on the episode discussion thread.

      I thought the same: with S5B they've already started going back from "contrived magical whatsit + flashback explaining the contrivance" to a good balance between that and a S1-style "character of the week forwarding a simpler plot" formula. This new plot twists perfectly sets the ground for something like that, which really thrills me!

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      Ooooh this is going to be so exciting. The Evil Queen is back and is most likely going to kill some people including one or two major characters. And what will she do next? Bring her black knights to Storybrooke? I highly doubt the major character she will or will try to kill will be Snow.

      And speaking of Snow White, I can see more focus on her this time and more flashbacks of Bandit Snow White.

      She better not. I've had enough of major characters dying. If they kill off one more, I'm gonna lose it.

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    • Watch the Evil Queen kidnapping Regina and taking her place in 6A

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Watch the Evil Queen kidnapping Regina and taking her place in 6A

      I definitely like the idea of the Evil Queen returning, this time without her better half. My one concern is, two quite different villians in one arc. But, maybe Evil Queen will be pushed back to 6b.

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    • I actually think that Hyde may be less of a villain than some may picture him as. He's ruthless, strong, and somewhat vindictive (though it would seem mainly towards Rumple). He brought others from the LUS so that their stories could run their course. That does not sound totally like a villain. He made a deal with Rumple (but given the circumstances with his life on the line, who can totally blame him), but then again, everyone on the show has made a deal with Rumple. I can actually see them working both Jeckyll and Hyde as anti-heros.

      I think there will not be any single clear antagonist. I would say that there may be factions. You'll have the LUS characters providing some minor villains. You'll have Gold and his manipulations. You'll have the EQ on her own (there is a definite love/hate relationship with Rumple and the EQ).

      This is going to be interesting.

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    • I also think that they are going to use the same potion with Rumple, and all the former Dark Ones will be free again, including Dark Hook and Dark Swan

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I actually think that Hyde may be less of a villain than some may picture him as. He's ruthless, strong, and somewhat vindictive (though it would seem mainly towards Rumple). He brought others from the LUS so that their stories could run their course. That does not sound totally like a villain. He made a deal with Rumple (but given the circumstances with his life on the line, who can totally blame him), but then again, everyone on the show has made a deal with Rumple. I can actually see them working both Jeckyll and Hyde as anti-heros.

      Agreed.... though I am curious, as to why Hyde wants the stories to run their course.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I also think that they are going to use the same potion with Rumple, and all the former Dark Ones will be free again, including Dark Hook and Dark Swan

      Oh dear heavens!!! Just say no, please just say no. I think that would be a terrible idea.

      Besides, they made it clear that there was just enough of the serum available for one more dose, which was used on Regina.

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    • ONCEFanandHappyHippo wrote:
      MyPretties wrote:
      I wonder who the main villain of 6A will be, the Evil Queen or Hyde? Or will they end up joining forces?
      That would be interesting. New (Hyde) and old (the Evil Queen) united.

      Mr. Hyde and the Evil Queen would make quite the power couple.... pun intended.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I also think that they are going to use the same potion with Rumple, and all the former Dark Ones will be free again, including Dark Hook and Dark Swan

      Hopefully not. We already got that in season 5a. we don't need more of it.

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    • To me it sound more like their going to be doing an arc based around Jekyll and Hyde with a little bit of the Star Trek episode "The Enemy Within."

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    • For me Hyde's motive revolve around the reason fo which Jekyll created him, probably to project on his evil side the blame of something he did. He try to create the Serum and than we have Rumple coming to him with a deal helping him with a little magic to create the Serum and then Hyde!

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    • Rochobongo wrote: For me Hyde's motive revolve around the reason fo which Jekyll created him, probably to project on his evil side the blame of something he did. He try to create the Serum and than we have Rumple coming to him with a deal helping him with a little magic to create the Serum and then Hyde!

      Just like how Dr. Frankenstein made a deal with the dark one.

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    • You know I feel like they are making the next season more similar to season 1, now that the Evil queen is back.

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    • TBH I really hope that they get the Asylum stuff out of the way really quickly or make it a B/C plotline. I love gothic horror and I'm a massive fan of Penny Dreadful but after Once's last attempt at horror I'm kind of dreading (no pun intended) what on earth they're going to attempt to do, especially if they combine it with the cheesy Steampunk-esque asthetic. In my opinion if Once can't do the classic novels justice, which I don't believe they can given that it's supposed to be a family show, then I would much rather that they didn't attempt to use them at all and just focused on the Evil Queen stuff instead, thats enough to fill at least one arc without adding further complications.

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    • no one has seen the season yet so there is no indication wheter it is horror and like a said in my paraphase of the qoute they never go to a mental hospital the town is transformed in one giantic prison kind like in season 4 expect for an ice wall their is a giant force field

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    • I think in season will be Four Curse because Belle is pregnant.

      Snow's Pregnant(Second Curse)

      Zelena's Pregnant(Third Curse)

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    • Jockex315 wrote: I think in season will be Four Curse because Belle is pregnant.

      Snow's Pregnant(Second Curse)

      Zelena's Pregnant(Third Curse)

      Didn't they say there will be no curse for next season, or was it not for the finale of S5 they were saying? Because if there is a fourth curse coming, and with Belle Pregnant and giving birth, then maybe a major character dies off and the baby is named after the deceased.

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    • Furber15 wrote:
      no one has seen the season yet so there is no indication wheter it is horror and like a said in my paraphase of the qoute they never go to a mental hospital the town is transformed in one giantic prison kind like in season 4 expect for an ice wall their is a giant force field

      Mental hospitals/asylums are often a staple of the horror genre; the setting has been used in countless films, tv series, books etc because of its potential as an incredibly creepy setting. Certainly from my point of view it seems highly unlikely that they would even refer to the setting as a mental hospital/asylum unless they were planning to include more horror based stuff, especially when they start introducing more classic Victorian gothic horror characters, namely Jekyll and Hyde. Having those two characters in the show means that they're going to at least attempt to do something concerning the horror genre, just like when they revealed that before the first curse Dr Whale was Dr. Frankenstein; if they only needed to use Jekyll and Hyde to introduce the serum that split them into two then they wouldn't have set them up as major characters for next season, they would've killed them off or stranded them somewhere with no way to escape.

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    • Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Furber15 wrote:
      no one has seen the season yet so there is no indication wheter it is horror and like a said in my paraphase of the qoute they never go to a mental hospital the town is transformed in one giantic prison kind like in season 4 expect for an ice wall their is a giant force field
      Mental hospitals/asylums are often a staple of the horror genre; the setting has been used in countless films, tv series, books etc because of its potential as an incredibly creepy setting. Certainly from my point of view it seems highly unlikely that they would even refer to the setting as a mental hospital/asylum unless they were planning to include more horror based stuff, especially when they start introducing more classic Victorian gothic horror characters, namely Jekyll and Hyde. Having those two characters in the show means that they're going to at least attempt to do something concerning the horror genre, just like when they revealed that before the first curce Dr Whale was Dr. Frankenstein; if they only needed to use Jekyll and Hyde to introduce the serum that split them into two then they wouldn't have set them up as major characters for next season, they would've killed them off or stranded them somewhere with no way to escape.

      Yes, but the world Jekyll and Hyde were residing in prior to coming to SB was not a horror world, but if anything more of a steampunk world, or otherwise just a mishmash of a bunch of worlds. And that is the world Hyde brought people over from. So we can't really say what stories we will see in 6A.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Furber15 wrote:
      no one has seen the season yet so there is no indication wheter it is horror and like a said in my paraphase of the qoute they never go to a mental hospital the town is transformed in one giantic prison kind like in season 4 expect for an ice wall their is a giant force field
      Mental hospitals/asylums are often a staple of the horror genre; the setting has been used in countless films, tv series, books etc because of its potential as an incredibly creepy setting. Certainly from my point of view it seems highly unlikely that they would even refer to the setting as a mental hospital/asylum unless they were planning to include more horror based stuff, especially when they start introducing more classic Victorian gothic horror characters, namely Jekyll and Hyde. Having those two characters in the show means that they're going to at least attempt to do something concerning the horror genre, just like when they revealed that before the first curce Dr Whale was Dr. Frankenstein; if they only needed to use Jekyll and Hyde to introduce the serum that split them into two then they wouldn't have set them up as major characters for next season, they would've killed them off or stranded them somewhere with no way to escape.
      Yes, but the world Jekyll and Hyde were residing in prior to coming to SB was not a horror world, but if anything more of a steampunk world, or otherwise just a mishmash of a bunch of worlds. And that is the world Hyde brought people over from. So we can't really say what stories we will see in 6A.

      Jekyll and Hyde were residing there because their story isn't finished, that doesn't mean that they originally came from the LUS. We've seen with characters introduced in previous season finales that they usually play a big part in the first half of the following season and are usually involved in at least one set of flashbacks; since Hyde is now supposed to be in charge of Storybrooke we're almost certainly going to get to see his and Jekyll's backstory. Given the origin of the characters it would be highly unlikely, if not impossible, for them to have originated anywhere but the LWC and since that's where Dr. Frankenstein came from as well it would count as a horror world.

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    • I think it almost is a given that Jekyll & Hyde are from LWC, that is what kind of stories take place there. LUS is just a combination of several worlds sooo.

      However I am quite intrigued about the friends that Hyde brought along. Maybe we'll also get back to the little "guessing" game of which characters are which fairy tale characters. Personally I would love The Headless Horseman to be one of his friends.

      preferably also have Ichabod Crane as the Headless Horseman like in my headcanon

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    • Rockchick 19 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Furber15 wrote:
      no one has seen the season yet so there is no indication wheter it is horror and like a said in my paraphase of the qoute they never go to a mental hospital the town is transformed in one giantic prison kind like in season 4 expect for an ice wall their is a giant force field
      Mental hospitals/asylums are often a staple of the horror genre; the setting has been used in countless films, tv series, books etc because of its potential as an incredibly creepy setting. Certainly from my point of view it seems highly unlikely that they would even refer to the setting as a mental hospital/asylum unless they were planning to include more horror based stuff, especially when they start introducing more classic Victorian gothic horror characters, namely Jekyll and Hyde. Having those two characters in the show means that they're going to at least attempt to do something concerning the horror genre, just like when they revealed that before the first curce Dr Whale was Dr. Frankenstein; if they only needed to use Jekyll and Hyde to introduce the serum that split them into two then they wouldn't have set them up as major characters for next season, they would've killed them off or stranded them somewhere with no way to escape.
      Yes, but the world Jekyll and Hyde were residing in prior to coming to SB was not a horror world, but if anything more of a steampunk world, or otherwise just a mishmash of a bunch of worlds. And that is the world Hyde brought people over from. So we can't really say what stories we will see in 6A.
      Jekyll and Hyde were residing there because their story isn't finished, that doesn't mean that they originally came from the LUS. We've seen with characters introduced in previous season finales that they usually play a big part in the first half of the following season and are usually involved in at least one set of flashbacks; since Hyde is now supposed to be in charge of Storybrooke we're almost certainly going to get to see his and Jekyll's backstory. Given the origin of the characters it would be highly unlikely, if not impossible, for them to have originated anywhere but the LWC and since that's where Dr. Frankenstein came from as well it would count as a horror world.

      Oh, as far as that we might get a LWC flashback, because that is probably where Jekyll and Hyde are from, I agree. I'm just saying we can't say the whole arc will be all horror characters based on the focus of the 6A seems to be characters in the LOUS, and those characters come from all the worlds.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Furber15 wrote:
      no one has seen the season yet so there is no indication wheter it is horror and like a said in my paraphase of the qoute they never go to a mental hospital the town is transformed in one giantic prison kind like in season 4 expect for an ice wall their is a giant force field
      Mental hospitals/asylums are often a staple of the horror genre; the setting has been used in countless films, tv series, books etc because of its potential as an incredibly creepy setting. Certainly from my point of view it seems highly unlikely that they would even refer to the setting as a mental hospital/asylum unless they were planning to include more horror based stuff, especially when they start introducing more classic Victorian gothic horror characters, namely Jekyll and Hyde. Having those two characters in the show means that they're going to at least attempt to do something concerning the horror genre, just like when they revealed that before the first curce Dr Whale was Dr. Frankenstein; if they only needed to use Jekyll and Hyde to introduce the serum that split them into two then they wouldn't have set them up as major characters for next season, they would've killed them off or stranded them somewhere with no way to escape.
      Yes, but the world Jekyll and Hyde were residing in prior to coming to SB was not a horror world, but if anything more of a steampunk world, or otherwise just a mishmash of a bunch of worlds. And that is the world Hyde brought people over from. So we can't really say what stories we will see in 6A.
      Jekyll and Hyde were residing there because their story isn't finished, that doesn't mean that they originally came from the LUS. We've seen with characters introduced in previous season finales that they usually play a big part in the first half of the following season and are usually involved in at least one set of flashbacks; since Hyde is now supposed to be in charge of Storybrooke we're almost certainly going to get to see his and Jekyll's backstory. Given the origin of the characters it would be highly unlikely, if not impossible, for them to have originated anywhere but the LWC and since that's where Dr. Frankenstein came from as well it would count as a horror world.
      Oh, as far as that we might get a LWC flashback, because that is probably where Jekyll and Hyde are from, I agree. I'm just saying we can't say the whole arc will be all horror characters based on the focus of the 6A seems to be characters in the LOUS, and those characters come from all the worlds.

      I never said that I thought that the whole arc would be horror based, my original post referred to Once's inablity to do justice to the classic Victorian gothic horror characters that they've introduced (not just Jekyll and Hyde but also Dr. Frankenstein and his monster) because it is considered to be a family show and that, consequently, in my opinion they should minimise the amount of horror in 6A. Furber 15 then assumed that I was saying that the 6A as a whole would be horror based, which I wasn't. I don't think that 6A will be completely horror based, just that given what we know it seems likely that there will be more horror in 6A than in previous seasons. As I said, personally I hope that Adam and Eddy recognise the show's limitations and try to keep the horror to a mimimum rather than trying to do it anyway and as a result 6A being absolutely awful. Tbh my faith in Adam and Eddy in regards to adapting existing stories is at an all time low anyway given the recent disastrous attempts at adaption: first departing from the traditional Arthurian legends so much that the result was barely recognisable for 5A and then completey mangling Greek mythology for 5B (I am fully aware that for 5B they were looking more at Disney's Hercules than the original myths, however, that film was so far removed from the source material that it goes past the point of being so bad it's good and is just horrendous).

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    • Rockchick 19 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Furber15 wrote:
      no one has seen the season yet so there is no indication wheter it is horror and like a said in my paraphase of the qoute they never go to a mental hospital the town is transformed in one giantic prison kind like in season 4 expect for an ice wall their is a giant force field
      Mental hospitals/asylums are often a staple of the horror genre; the setting has been used in countless films, tv series, books etc because of its potential as an incredibly creepy setting. Certainly from my point of view it seems highly unlikely that they would even refer to the setting as a mental hospital/asylum unless they were planning to include more horror based stuff, especially when they start introducing more classic Victorian gothic horror characters, namely Jekyll and Hyde. Having those two characters in the show means that they're going to at least attempt to do something concerning the horror genre, just like when they revealed that before the first curce Dr Whale was Dr. Frankenstein; if they only needed to use Jekyll and Hyde to introduce the serum that split them into two then they wouldn't have set them up as major characters for next season, they would've killed them off or stranded them somewhere with no way to escape.
      Yes, but the world Jekyll and Hyde were residing in prior to coming to SB was not a horror world, but if anything more of a steampunk world, or otherwise just a mishmash of a bunch of worlds. And that is the world Hyde brought people over from. So we can't really say what stories we will see in 6A.
      Jekyll and Hyde were residing there because their story isn't finished, that doesn't mean that they originally came from the LUS. We've seen with characters introduced in previous season finales that they usually play a big part in the first half of the following season and are usually involved in at least one set of flashbacks; since Hyde is now supposed to be in charge of Storybrooke we're almost certainly going to get to see his and Jekyll's backstory. Given the origin of the characters it would be highly unlikely, if not impossible, for them to have originated anywhere but the LWC and since that's where Dr. Frankenstein came from as well it would count as a horror world.
      Oh, as far as that we might get a LWC flashback, because that is probably where Jekyll and Hyde are from, I agree. I'm just saying we can't say the whole arc will be all horror characters based on the focus of the 6A seems to be characters in the LOUS, and those characters come from all the worlds.
      I never said that I thought that the whole arc would be horror based, my original post referred to Once's inablity to do justice to the classic Victorian gothic horror characters that they've introduced (not just Jekyll and Hyde but also Dr. Frankenstein and his monster) because it is considered to be a family show and that, consequently, in my opinion they should minimise the amount of horror in 6A. Furber 15 then assumed that I was saying that the 6A as a whole would be horror based, which I wasn't. I don't think that 6A will be completely horror based, just that given what we know it seems likely that there will be more horror in 6A than in previous seasons. As I said, personally I hope that Adam and Eddy recognise the show's limitations and try to keep the horror to a mimimum rather than trying to do it anyway and as a result 6A being absolutely awful. Tbh my faith in Adam and Eddy in regards to adapting existing stories is at an all time low anyway given the recent disastrous attempts at adaption: first departing from the traditional Arthurian legends so much that the result was barely recognisable for 5A and then completey mangling Greek mythology for 5B (I am fully aware that for 5B they were looking more at Disney's Hercules than the original myths, however, that film was so far removed from the source material that it goes past the point of being so bad it's good and is just horrendous).

      I like to remind people when they complain that they did not stay true to the source material, that one of the whole points of Once is to twist the stories. Things like Red Riding Hood being the Big Bad Wolf, etc.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Furber15 wrote:
      no one has seen the season yet so there is no indication wheter it is horror and like a said in my paraphase of the qoute they never go to a mental hospital the town is transformed in one giantic prison kind like in season 4 expect for an ice wall their is a giant force field
      Mental hospitals/asylums are often a staple of the horror genre; the setting has been used in countless films, tv series, books etc because of its potential as an incredibly creepy setting. Certainly from my point of view it seems highly unlikely that they would even refer to the setting as a mental hospital/asylum unless they were planning to include more horror based stuff, especially when they start introducing more classic Victorian gothic horror characters, namely Jekyll and Hyde. Having those two characters in the show means that they're going to at least attempt to do something concerning the horror genre, just like when they revealed that before the first curce Dr Whale was Dr. Frankenstein; if they only needed to use Jekyll and Hyde to introduce the serum that split them into two then they wouldn't have set them up as major characters for next season, they would've killed them off or stranded them somewhere with no way to escape.
      Yes, but the world Jekyll and Hyde were residing in prior to coming to SB was not a horror world, but if anything more of a steampunk world, or otherwise just a mishmash of a bunch of worlds. And that is the world Hyde brought people over from. So we can't really say what stories we will see in 6A.
      Jekyll and Hyde were residing there because their story isn't finished, that doesn't mean that they originally came from the LUS. We've seen with characters introduced in previous season finales that they usually play a big part in the first half of the following season and are usually involved in at least one set of flashbacks; since Hyde is now supposed to be in charge of Storybrooke we're almost certainly going to get to see his and Jekyll's backstory. Given the origin of the characters it would be highly unlikely, if not impossible, for them to have originated anywhere but the LWC and since that's where Dr. Frankenstein came from as well it would count as a horror world.
      Oh, as far as that we might get a LWC flashback, because that is probably where Jekyll and Hyde are from, I agree. I'm just saying we can't say the whole arc will be all horror characters based on the focus of the 6A seems to be characters in the LOUS, and those characters come from all the worlds.
      I never said that I thought that the whole arc would be horror based, my original post referred to Once's inablity to do justice to the classic Victorian gothic horror characters that they've introduced (not just Jekyll and Hyde but also Dr. Frankenstein and his monster) because it is considered to be a family show and that, consequently, in my opinion they should minimise the amount of horror in 6A. Furber 15 then assumed that I was saying that the 6A as a whole would be horror based, which I wasn't. I don't think that 6A will be completely horror based, just that given what we know it seems likely that there will be more horror in 6A than in previous seasons. As I said, personally I hope that Adam and Eddy recognise the show's limitations and try to keep the horror to a mimimum rather than trying to do it anyway and as a result 6A being absolutely awful. Tbh my faith in Adam and Eddy in regards to adapting existing stories is at an all time low anyway given the recent disastrous attempts at adaption: first departing from the traditional Arthurian legends so much that the result was barely recognisable for 5A and then completey mangling Greek mythology for 5B (I am fully aware that for 5B they were looking more at Disney's Hercules than the original myths, however, that film was so far removed from the source material that it goes past the point of being so bad it's good and is just horrendous).

      I like to remind people when they complain that they did not stay true to the source material, that one of the whole points of Once is to twist the stories. Things like Red Riding Hood being the Big Bad Wolf, etc.

      Also how they made Rapunzel's prince be Charming helping her. Or how they made Jack from Jack and the Beanstalk a woman and villain. And they made Anton the giant a good guy. Or how they made Charming and James like the prince and the pauper (being twins and all).

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Furber15 wrote:
      no one has seen the season yet so there is no indication wheter it is horror and like a said in my paraphase of the qoute they never go to a mental hospital the town is transformed in one giantic prison kind like in season 4 expect for an ice wall their is a giant force field
      Mental hospitals/asylums are often a staple of the horror genre; the setting has been used in countless films, tv series, books etc because of its potential as an incredibly creepy setting. Certainly from my point of view it seems highly unlikely that they would even refer to the setting as a mental hospital/asylum unless they were planning to include more horror based stuff, especially when they start introducing more classic Victorian gothic horror characters, namely Jekyll and Hyde. Having those two characters in the show means that they're going to at least attempt to do something concerning the horror genre, just like when they revealed that before the first curce Dr Whale was Dr. Frankenstein; if they only needed to use Jekyll and Hyde to introduce the serum that split them into two then they wouldn't have set them up as major characters for next season, they would've killed them off or stranded them somewhere with no way to escape.
      Yes, but the world Jekyll and Hyde were residing in prior to coming to SB was not a horror world, but if anything more of a steampunk world, or otherwise just a mishmash of a bunch of worlds. And that is the world Hyde brought people over from. So we can't really say what stories we will see in 6A.
      Jekyll and Hyde were residing there because their story isn't finished, that doesn't mean that they originally came from the LUS. We've seen with characters introduced in previous season finales that they usually play a big part in the first half of the following season and are usually involved in at least one set of flashbacks; since Hyde is now supposed to be in charge of Storybrooke we're almost certainly going to get to see his and Jekyll's backstory. Given the origin of the characters it would be highly unlikely, if not impossible, for them to have originated anywhere but the LWC and since that's where Dr. Frankenstein came from as well it would count as a horror world.
      Oh, as far as that we might get a LWC flashback, because that is probably where Jekyll and Hyde are from, I agree. I'm just saying we can't say the whole arc will be all horror characters based on the focus of the 6A seems to be characters in the LOUS, and those characters come from all the worlds.
      I never said that I thought that the whole arc would be horror based, my original post referred to Once's inablity to do justice to the classic Victorian gothic horror characters that they've introduced (not just Jekyll and Hyde but also Dr. Frankenstein and his monster) because it is considered to be a family show and that, consequently, in my opinion they should minimise the amount of horror in 6A. Furber 15 then assumed that I was saying that the 6A as a whole would be horror based, which I wasn't. I don't think that 6A will be completely horror based, just that given what we know it seems likely that there will be more horror in 6A than in previous seasons. As I said, personally I hope that Adam and Eddy recognise the show's limitations and try to keep the horror to a mimimum rather than trying to do it anyway and as a result 6A being absolutely awful. Tbh my faith in Adam and Eddy in regards to adapting existing stories is at an all time low anyway given the recent disastrous attempts at adaption: first departing from the traditional Arthurian legends so much that the result was barely recognisable for 5A and then completey mangling Greek mythology for 5B (I am fully aware that for 5B they were looking more at Disney's Hercules than the original myths, however, that film was so far removed from the source material that it goes past the point of being so bad it's good and is just horrendous).
      I like to remind people when they complain that they did not stay true to the source material, that one of the whole points of Once is to twist the stories. Things like Red Riding Hood being the Big Bad Wolf, etc.

      There's a difference between putting a new twist on the stories, like they have with the fairy tales and altering the stories so much that beyond the names of the characters Once's version literally has nothing in common with the source material. Check out some of the Arthurian legends and then take a look back at 5A they basically have nothing in common (if nothing else one of the central parts of Arthurian legends is the conflict between Arthur and, usually, his half-sister Morgan le Fay/their son Mordred, neither of whom even made an appearance in Once) and the same can be said for Greek mythology and 5B; as opposed to the twist with the Snow White tale where they just gave the Evil Queen more of a backstory and a different motivation (that most people didn't know about anyway).

      Besides, in the case of characters like Jekyll and Hyde it's more the fact the the format and target audience for Once doesn't allow the writers to do the characters justice; with a family audience in mind they simply cannot imbue the characters with the appropriate level of, for lack of a better phrase, scariness, it's simply impossible, as evidenced by their attempt to include Dr. Frankenstein in Once (somehow even worse than the versions where people attempt to turn the story into a comedy). If you want to better understand where I'm coming from in regards to the issues with Once's adaptations go and take a look at some of the source material, or in the case of the gothic horror characters something like Penny Dreadful (TV-MA)(which has Dr. Frankenstein and his Creature as main characters, has recently introduced Dr. Jekyll and it seems that Mr. Hyde will be making an appearance later this season) shows just how much potential these characters have if they are used correctly.

      If I genuinely thought that Once was capable of doing decent adaptations of these characters then I would have no problem with them introducing them, unfortunately there is no way that Once can adapt these characters in a way that does them justice without having to either raise the age rating of the show to start targeting a difference audience demographic.

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    • Doing a character justice is all opinion-based. Jekyll and Hyde doesn't need to raise the show's rating. I mean, the worst thing I think in that story is objectively murder, but in this show we have murder, a variety of abuse, and even other things.

      The best way that a character can do justice, in my opinion, is that they are played greatly, written decently, and highlight the core cast and story.

      I read Frankenstien and nothing in that story is creepy or necessary of some Mature Audience rating. There's more murder and horrific scenes in Grimm's fairytales than those stories.

      I think their story about Frankenstein was actually set up really well, but it's not like he's the main character. His purpose is to highlight the main characters. These other stories are tools that highlights the core cast and narrative. Let's take Ella's episode. It introduced Rumple in his now typical shenanigans. It lead to expositional growth of Emma. It did what it was suppose to do and that was nice.

      As long as Hyde and Jekyll parallel and highlight the core cast through their story, then they will be fine.

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    • I want to add this about 5a. If Arthur's story was actually being used and paralleled Emma's then the arc would have been much better, but instead, they tossed him aside in like three episodes.

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    • Rockchick 19 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Furber15 wrote:
      no one has seen the season yet so there is no indication wheter it is horror and like a said in my paraphase of the qoute they never go to a mental hospital the town is transformed in one giantic prison kind like in season 4 expect for an ice wall their is a giant force field
      Mental hospitals/asylums are often a staple of the horror genre; the setting has been used in countless films, tv series, books etc because of its potential as an incredibly creepy setting. Certainly from my point of view it seems highly unlikely that they would even refer to the setting as a mental hospital/asylum unless they were planning to include more horror based stuff, especially when they start introducing more classic Victorian gothic horror characters, namely Jekyll and Hyde. Having those two characters in the show means that they're going to at least attempt to do something concerning the horror genre, just like when they revealed that before the first curce Dr Whale was Dr. Frankenstein; if they only needed to use Jekyll and Hyde to introduce the serum that split them into two then they wouldn't have set them up as major characters for next season, they would've killed them off or stranded them somewhere with no way to escape.
      Yes, but the world Jekyll and Hyde were residing in prior to coming to SB was not a horror world, but if anything more of a steampunk world, or otherwise just a mishmash of a bunch of worlds. And that is the world Hyde brought people over from. So we can't really say what stories we will see in 6A.
      Jekyll and Hyde were residing there because their story isn't finished, that doesn't mean that they originally came from the LUS. We've seen with characters introduced in previous season finales that they usually play a big part in the first half of the following season and are usually involved in at least one set of flashbacks; since Hyde is now supposed to be in charge of Storybrooke we're almost certainly going to get to see his and Jekyll's backstory. Given the origin of the characters it would be highly unlikely, if not impossible, for them to have originated anywhere but the LWC and since that's where Dr. Frankenstein came from as well it would count as a horror world.
      Oh, as far as that we might get a LWC flashback, because that is probably where Jekyll and Hyde are from, I agree. I'm just saying we can't say the whole arc will be all horror characters based on the focus of the 6A seems to be characters in the LOUS, and those characters come from all the worlds.
      I never said that I thought that the whole arc would be horror based, my original post referred to Once's inablity to do justice to the classic Victorian gothic horror characters that they've introduced (not just Jekyll and Hyde but also Dr. Frankenstein and his monster) because it is considered to be a family show and that, consequently, in my opinion they should minimise the amount of horror in 6A. Furber 15 then assumed that I was saying that the 6A as a whole would be horror based, which I wasn't. I don't think that 6A will be completely horror based, just that given what we know it seems likely that there will be more horror in 6A than in previous seasons. As I said, personally I hope that Adam and Eddy recognise the show's limitations and try to keep the horror to a mimimum rather than trying to do it anyway and as a result 6A being absolutely awful. Tbh my faith in Adam and Eddy in regards to adapting existing stories is at an all time low anyway given the recent disastrous attempts at adaption: first departing from the traditional Arthurian legends so much that the result was barely recognisable for 5A and then completey mangling Greek mythology for 5B (I am fully aware that for 5B they were looking more at Disney's Hercules than the original myths, however, that film was so far removed from the source material that it goes past the point of being so bad it's good and is just horrendous).
      I like to remind people when they complain that they did not stay true to the source material, that one of the whole points of Once is to twist the stories. Things like Red Riding Hood being the Big Bad Wolf, etc.
      There's a difference between putting a new twist on the stories, like they have with the fairy tales and altering the stories so much that beyond the names of the characters Once's version literally has nothing in common with the source material. Check out some of the Arthurian legends and then take a look back at 5A they basically have nothing in common (if nothing else one of the central parts of Arthurian legends is the conflict between Arthur and, usually, his half-sister Morgan le Fay/their son Mordred, neither of whom even made an appearance in Once) and the same can be said for Greek mythology and 5B; as opposed to the twist with the Snow White tale where they just gave the Evil Queen more of a backstory and a different motivation (that most people didn't know about anyway).

      Besides, in the case of characters like Jekyll and Hyde it's more the fact the the format and target audience for Once doesn't allow the writers to do the characters justice; with a family audience in mind they simply cannot imbue the characters with the appropriate level of, for lack of a better phrase, scariness, it's simply impossible, as evidenced by their attempt to include Dr. Frankenstein in Once (somehow even worse than the versions where people attempt to turn the story into a comedy). If you want to better understand where I'm coming from in regards to the issues with Once's adaptations go and take a look at some of the source material, or in the case of the gothic horror characters something like Penny Dreadful (TV-MA)(which has Dr. Frankenstein and his Creature as main characters, has recently introduced Dr. Jekyll and it seems that Mr. Hyde will be making an appearance later this season) shows just how much potential these characters have if they are used correctly.

      If I genuinely thought that Once was capable of doing decent adaptations of these characters then I would have no problem with them introducing them, unfortunately there is no way that Once can adapt these characters in a way that does them justice without having to either raise the age rating of the show to start targeting a difference audience demographic.

      Like Esk said, it is all a matter of opinion. I've watched the same show you have, and I thought all the adaptations were totally fine, and fit the source material well enough. You might like for horror characters to be more intense, which is fine, but it doesn't mean it is the only valid inturpetation of those characters. Once can do them, and it will be fine, maybe not exactly how you would like to see them, but again that is an opinion.

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    • I don't think this Hyde/Evil Queen thing is enough for a 22 episodes arc

      This is likely a half season storyline

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      no one has seen the season yet so there is no indication wheter it is horror and like a said in my paraphase of the qoute they never go to a mental hospital the town is transformed in one giantic prison kind like in season 4 expect for an ice wall their is a giant force field
      Mental hospitals/asylums are often a staple of the horror genre; the setting has been used in countless films, tv series, books etc because of its potential as an incredibly creepy setting. Certainly from my point of view it seems highly unlikely that they would even refer to the setting as a mental hospital/asylum unless they were planning to include more horror based stuff, especially when they start introducing more classic Victorian gothic horror characters, namely Jekyll and Hyde. Having those two characters in the show means that they're going to at least attempt to do something concerning the horror genre, just like when they revealed that before the first curce Dr Whale was Dr. Frankenstein; if they only needed to use Jekyll and Hyde to introduce the serum that split them into two then they wouldn't have set them up as major characters for next season, they would've killed them off or stranded them somewhere with no way to escape.
      Yes, but the world Jekyll and Hyde were residing in prior to coming to SB was not a horror world, but if anything more of a steampunk world, or otherwise just a mishmash of a bunch of worlds. And that is the world Hyde brought people over from. So we can't really say what stories we will see in 6A.
      Jekyll and Hyde were residing there because their story isn't finished, that doesn't mean that they originally came from the LUS. We've seen with characters introduced in previous season finales that they usually play a big part in the first half of the following season and are usually involved in at least one set of flashbacks; since Hyde is now supposed to be in charge of Storybrooke we're almost certainly going to get to see his and Jekyll's backstory. Given the origin of the characters it would be highly unlikely, if not impossible, for them to have originated anywhere but the LWC and since that's where Dr. Frankenstein came from as well it would count as a horror world.
      Oh, as far as that we might get a LWC flashback, because that is probably where Jekyll and Hyde are from, I agree. I'm just saying we can't say the whole arc will be all horror characters based on the focus of the 6A seems to be characters in the LOUS, and those characters come from all the worlds.
      I never said that I thought that the whole arc would be horror based, my original post referred to Once's inablity to do justice to the classic Victorian gothic horror characters that they've introduced (not just Jekyll and Hyde but also Dr. Frankenstein and his monster) because it is considered to be a family show and that, consequently, in my opinion they should minimise the amount of horror in 6A. Furber 15 then assumed that I was saying that the 6A as a whole would be horror based, which I wasn't. I don't think that 6A will be completely horror based, just that given what we know it seems likely that there will be more horror in 6A than in previous seasons. As I said, personally I hope that Adam and Eddy recognise the show's limitations and try to keep the horror to a mimimum rather than trying to do it anyway and as a result 6A being absolutely awful. Tbh my faith in Adam and Eddy in regards to adapting existing stories is at an all time low anyway given the recent disastrous attempts at adaption: first departing from the traditional Arthurian legends so much that the result was barely recognisable for 5A and then completey mangling Greek mythology for 5B (I am fully aware that for 5B they were looking more at Disney's Hercules than the original myths, however, that film was so far removed from the source material that it goes past the point of being so bad it's good and is just horrendous).
      I like to remind people when they complain that they did not stay true to the source material, that one of the whole points of Once is to twist the stories. Things like Red Riding Hood being the Big Bad Wolf, etc.
      There's a difference between putting a new twist on the stories, like they have with the fairy tales and altering the stories so much that beyond the names of the characters Once's version literally has nothing in common with the source material. Check out some of the Arthurian legends and then take a look back at 5A they basically have nothing in common (if nothing else one of the central parts of Arthurian legends is the conflict between Arthur and, usually, his half-sister Morgan le Fay/their son Mordred, neither of whom even made an appearance in Once) and the same can be said for Greek mythology and 5B; as opposed to the twist with the Snow White tale where they just gave the Evil Queen more of a backstory and a different motivation (that most people didn't know about anyway).

      Besides, in the case of characters like Jekyll and Hyde it's more the fact the the format and target audience for Once doesn't allow the writers to do the characters justice; with a family audience in mind they simply cannot imbue the characters with the appropriate level of, for lack of a better phrase, scariness, it's simply impossible, as evidenced by their attempt to include Dr. Frankenstein in Once (somehow even worse than the versions where people attempt to turn the story into a comedy). If you want to better understand where I'm coming from in regards to the issues with Once's adaptations go and take a look at some of the source material, or in the case of the gothic horror characters something like Penny Dreadful (TV-MA)(which has Dr. Frankenstein and his Creature as main characters, has recently introduced Dr. Jekyll and it seems that Mr. Hyde will be making an appearance later this season) shows just how much potential these characters have if they are used correctly.

      If I genuinely thought that Once was capable of doing decent adaptations of these characters then I would have no problem with them introducing them, unfortunately there is no way that Once can adapt these characters in a way that does them justice without having to either raise the age rating of the show to start targeting a difference audience demographic.

      Like Esk said, it is all a matter of opinion. I've watched the same show you have, and I thought all the adaptations were totally fine, and fit the source material well enough. You might like for horror characters to be more intense, which is fine, but it doesn't mean it is the only valid inturpetation of those characters. Once can do them, and it will be fine, maybe not exactly how you would like to see them, but again that is an opinion.

      Totally agree! These stories were not targeted at adults when written. The level of intensity in Shelley's Frankensten and Stevenson's The Strange Case... are just as if not less intense than what we have already seen in OUAT. I don't see how adding these characters would require the show to change ratings. It is the sex, nudity, and language that requires the higher rating, from what I've read. Any violence perpetrated by these characters should be no different than what we've already seen on Once. Rumple is pretty sadistic and the act itself does not have to be shown. Cruella forced Dalmatians to kill her mother for goodness' sake, while Cruella watched in fascination and the audience listens to her mother scream. I'm sorry, but Cruella has been the most evil character on the show to date. Her happy ending would have been to be able to kill people again. How much more sadistic can you get? 

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      I don't think this Hyde/Evil Queen thing is enough for a 22 episodes arc

      This is likely a half season storyline

      Agreed.... though, the Land of Untold Stories, will probably be featured through out the entire season.

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      no one has seen the season yet so there is no indication wheter it is horror and like a said in my paraphase of the qoute they never go to a mental hospital the town is transformed in one giantic prison kind like in season 4 expect for an ice wall their is a giant force field
      Mental hospitals/asylums are often a staple of the horror genre; the setting has been used in countless films, tv series, books etc because of its potential as an incredibly creepy setting. Certainly from my point of view it seems highly unlikely that they would even refer to the setting as a mental hospital/asylum unless they were planning to include more horror based stuff, especially when they start introducing more classic Victorian gothic horror characters, namely Jekyll and Hyde. Having those two characters in the show means that they're going to at least attempt to do something concerning the horror genre, just like when they revealed that before the first curce Dr Whale was Dr. Frankenstein; if they only needed to use Jekyll and Hyde to introduce the serum that split them into two then they wouldn't have set them up as major characters for next season, they would've killed them off or stranded them somewhere with no way to escape.
      Yes, but the world Jekyll and Hyde were residing in prior to coming to SB was not a horror world, but if anything more of a steampunk world, or otherwise just a mishmash of a bunch of worlds. And that is the world Hyde brought people over from. So we can't really say what stories we will see in 6A.
      Jekyll and Hyde were residing there because their story isn't finished, that doesn't mean that they originally came from the LUS. We've seen with characters introduced in previous season finales that they usually play a big part in the first half of the following season and are usually involved in at least one set of flashbacks; since Hyde is now supposed to be in charge of Storybrooke we're almost certainly going to get to see his and Jekyll's backstory. Given the origin of the characters it would be highly unlikely, if not impossible, for them to have originated anywhere but the LWC and since that's where Dr. Frankenstein came from as well it would count as a horror world.
      Oh, as far as that we might get a LWC flashback, because that is probably where Jekyll and Hyde are from, I agree. I'm just saying we can't say the whole arc will be all horror characters based on the focus of the 6A seems to be characters in the LOUS, and those characters come from all the worlds.
      I never said that I thought that the whole arc would be horror based, my original post referred to Once's inablity to do justice to the classic Victorian gothic horror characters that they've introduced (not just Jekyll and Hyde but also Dr. Frankenstein and his monster) because it is considered to be a family show and that, consequently, in my opinion they should minimise the amount of horror in 6A. Furber 15 then assumed that I was saying that the 6A as a whole would be horror based, which I wasn't. I don't think that 6A will be completely horror based, just that given what we know it seems likely that there will be more horror in 6A than in previous seasons. As I said, personally I hope that Adam and Eddy recognise the show's limitations and try to keep the horror to a mimimum rather than trying to do it anyway and as a result 6A being absolutely awful. Tbh my faith in Adam and Eddy in regards to adapting existing stories is at an all time low anyway given the recent disastrous attempts at adaption: first departing from the traditional Arthurian legends so much that the result was barely recognisable for 5A and then completey mangling Greek mythology for 5B (I am fully aware that for 5B they were looking more at Disney's Hercules than the original myths, however, that film was so far removed from the source material that it goes past the point of being so bad it's good and is just horrendous).
      I like to remind people when they complain that they did not stay true to the source material, that one of the whole points of Once is to twist the stories. Things like Red Riding Hood being the Big Bad Wolf, etc.
      There's a difference between putting a new twist on the stories, like they have with the fairy tales and altering the stories so much that beyond the names of the characters Once's version literally has nothing in common with the source material. Check out some of the Arthurian legends and then take a look back at 5A they basically have nothing in common (if nothing else one of the central parts of Arthurian legends is the conflict between Arthur and, usually, his half-sister Morgan le Fay/their son Mordred, neither of whom even made an appearance in Once) and the same can be said for Greek mythology and 5B; as opposed to the twist with the Snow White tale where they just gave the Evil Queen more of a backstory and a different motivation (that most people didn't know about anyway).

      Besides, in the case of characters like Jekyll and Hyde it's more the fact the the format and target audience for Once doesn't allow the writers to do the characters justice; with a family audience in mind they simply cannot imbue the characters with the appropriate level of, for lack of a better phrase, scariness, it's simply impossible, as evidenced by their attempt to include Dr. Frankenstein in Once (somehow even worse than the versions where people attempt to turn the story into a comedy). If you want to better understand where I'm coming from in regards to the issues with Once's adaptations go and take a look at some of the source material, or in the case of the gothic horror characters something like Penny Dreadful (TV-MA)(which has Dr. Frankenstein and his Creature as main characters, has recently introduced Dr. Jekyll and it seems that Mr. Hyde will be making an appearance later this season) shows just how much potential these characters have if they are used correctly.

      If I genuinely thought that Once was capable of doing decent adaptations of these characters then I would have no problem with them introducing them, unfortunately there is no way that Once can adapt these characters in a way that does them justice without having to either raise the age rating of the show to start targeting a difference audience demographic.

      Like Esk said, it is all a matter of opinion. I've watched the same show you have, and I thought all the adaptations were totally fine, and fit the source material well enough. You might like for horror characters to be more intense, which is fine, but it doesn't mean it is the only valid inturpetation of those characters. Once can do them, and it will be fine, maybe not exactly how you would like to see them, but again that is an opinion.
      Totally agree! These stories were not targeted at adults when written. The level of intensity in Shelley's Frankensten and Stevenson's The Strange Case... are just as if not less intense than what we have already seen in OUAT. I don't see how adding these characters would require the show to change ratings. It is the sex, nudity, and language that requires the higher rating, from what I've read. Any violence perpetrated by these characters should be no different than what we've already seen on Once. Rumple is pretty sadistic and the act itself does not have to be shown. Cruella forced Dalmatians to kill her mother for goodness' sake, while Cruella watched in fascination and the audience listens to her mother scream. I'm sorry, but Cruella has been the most evil character on the show to date. Her happy ending would have been to be able to kill people again. How much more sadistic can you get? 

      For starters the stories would've been targeted at adults because at the time the stories were published you basically would've only had four genres; stories aimed at young children (most definitely not novels), stories aimed at adults, non-fiction and poetry. Grimm's fairy tales (and other fairy tales for that matter) were/are aimed at children because most function to give some sort of message or warning about how children should and shouldn't behave, hence why so many feature a polite sibling who gets rewarded for that quality and a bratty sibling who is punished for their obnoxious behaviour.

      There is also the fact that while more modern horror often includes sex, nudity, language, gore etc none of the are actually necessary when writing horror; a lot of the time it's more about atmosphere, suspense and the fear of the unknown. Victorian gothic horror may seem comparatively tame to modern readers but they weren't intended to be that way, as a society we've become immune to many of the stories because the ideas contained within them and the fears that they express are very much of the their time and as such aren't as relevant to us. Not to mention the fact that the iconic gothic horror novels have been badly adapted so many times that in many ways they have become almost like comedy pieces rather than horror; unless they're done in a way that takes them to the next level and manages to take the issues presented in the book and elevate them to a point where they are still relevant today, something that is particularly difficult as we don't have the same preoccupation/fear of the supernatural that the Victorians did, nor does it conflict with science and faith in quite the same way or to the same extent.

      In regards to Once it's more that it seems rather pointless to introduce iconic horror characters when the show's limitations mean that the writers will either be incapable or unwilling to portray these characters in a way that respects and honours their literary origins simple because they have to dilute the characters in order to make them more palatable to the network who insist that Once is a family friendly show. Once is at best a light, family friendly, urban fantasy; if the show was dark fantasy or even a darker urban fantasy then horror characters would probably work well in the show, as it is they clash with the very nature of the show.

      Also CoolDudeAl I would be genuinely interested to hear which of the previously adapted source materials (other than the fairy tales) you're familiar with that you thought that Once adapted particularly well :)

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    • I guess my final note on this convo: Ummm, "Victorian Gothic seem relatively tame", then you have proven the other point. Saying that modern horror has sex, nudity, etc means absolutely nothing when the source is "comparatively tame".  You are pretty much saying Frankenstein wasn't done well in Once because it was practically as tame as the source material and didn't have enough sex, nudity, and violence like in modern horror. That's what I get from what you are saying.

      Jekyll and Hyde had some murder.....this show has murder......I don't see your point. It's not like modern horror does anything with source material and it's not like you need to throw sex and nudity, etc into that. As you said, it's about atmosphere and other things, so what's the basis that Once won't have those good aspects? Once has suspense, it can have atmosphere, etc.

      Sure in the past, there were different societal flavors, but it doesn't mean that they won't do it justice.

      Hyde was done wonderfully, imo, just as Jekyll. I think they'll be fine as long as the dialogue and more importantly plot stay strong. 5b had a villain without motivation, so there was that....

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    • Now onto my own thoughts, I can't help but recall season 4b's terrible job at "Greatest potential for darkness" and how they seemed to not know what words mean. Thus, I say I may feel worried that, not that the Untold Stories won't be justly done, but the whole "Inner Darkness, Redemption?" might not be good.

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      I guess my final note on this convo: Ummm, "Victorian Gothic seem relatively tame", then you have proven the other point. Saying that modern horror has sex, nudity, etc means absolutely nothing when the source is "comparatively tame".  You are pretty much saying Frankenstein wasn't done well in Once because it was practically as tame as the source material and didn't have enough sex, nudity, and violence like in modern horror. That's what I get from what you are saying.

      Jekyll and Hyde had some murder.....this show has murder......I don't see your point. It's not like modern horror does anything with source material and it's not like you need to throw sex and nudity, etc into that. As you said, it's about atmosphere and other things, so what's the basis that Once won't have those good aspects? Once has suspense, it can have atmosphere, etc.

      Sure in the past, there were different societal flavors, but it doesn't mean that they won't do it justice.

      Hyde was done wonderfully, imo, just as Jekyll. I think they'll be fine as long as the dialogue and more importantly plot stay strong. 5b had a villain without motivation, so there was that....

      What I'm saying is that society has diluted the source material to a point where it is believed to be more tame than it actually is and that when people assume that all horror must conform to the standards of modern horror (a very different genre to Victorian gothic horror) they overlook the reasons why these characters became horror icons in the first place. Consequently most adaptations choose to rely on society's expectations/previous (bad) adaptations rather than returning to the original source material, and therefore very few adaptations actually manage to capture the essence of the original works.

      My point about 'societal flavours' was that if Once can't capture the essence and atmosphere of the period in which the stories were written, which is clearly what they're aiming for based on the costumes etc (or at least a close approximation given that Frankenstein is often set in the late 1800s and relocated exlusively to England to fit better with the other gothic horror novels, as opposed to taking place in the early 1800s and primarily taking place in Switzerland) then the adaptation will be mediocre at best . A well generated atmosphere, suspense and fear of the unknown can be, and ususally is, far more potent than gore and shock tactics/jump scares because they leave a lasting impression, after all there is a reason why these books are still read today, even if we can't fully comprehend them. Once's format and target audience simply won't allow for the appropriate type of atmosphere to be generated, instead it will be ridiculously toned-down (look at the recent episodes of Doctor Who for examples of the way this kind of thing is toned-down and cleaned up) as the Victorian period will be viewed through rose-tinted glasses because the darkness of that period (in particular the brutality associated with the kinds of science/medicine that these tales deal with) is not palatable to a general audicence and certainly isn't appropriate for family viewing. I've seen several dramas that include pretty accurate depictions of Victorian medicine and those scenes are usually far worse and far more brutal than a lot of horror, modern or not, because of the truths they contain.

      There's also a difference between the heart pounding suspense of horror (whether modern or a good adaptation) and Once's drawn out plotlines that try to convince us that the heroes won't win or that they'll kill off a main character for good in the middle of an arc.

      Also I'm not entirely sure what a villain lacking motivation in 5B has to do with the adaptation of Jeykll and Hyde or Frankenstein?

      Though tbh at this point I just hope that they stay away from Dracula.

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    • RockChick19, regarding your question of what I thought was adapted well, I thought everything has been adapted fairly well. I'll admit I'm not super well versed in Arthurian Legend, but I thought it covered what it needed to. Arthur, Gwen, Lancelot love triangle drama was there; Merlin getting turned into a tree by Nimue was there; Arthur dying was there; Excaliber, Round Table, Holy Grail, and Camelot were there; etc. I would say if they should have added something it would be Morgan Le Fay, as she seems pretty popular and common to the mythos, but again no one is saying she can't appear in a future arc. That's the thing about Once, you never know when and how a character can appear, because these are not straight adaptations. Two things I am very well versed in are Greek Mythology and the Oz books, and I think the show has done good with those. Of course they twist and change things, but they seem to understand things that other adaptations totally miss, like a big part of Oz is that there are four witches (and four regions) that each correspond to a cardinal direction, and the Emerald City is the center point. I have never seen an adaptation of Oz stuff prior to Once that understood this. But Once did it right, four witches, each ruling over one cardinal direction. Similarly, I found the fact that they acknologed rather obsure things in Greek Mythology rather well done. Things like Heracles's parentage and his 12 labors, the 5 rivers of the Underworld, and even the story of Orpheus are not things people would instantly recongnize with only a passing knowledge of Greek Myths, but they put that all in anyway. To me it shows that the writers really do do their homework when it comes to adapting something onto Once, and a really appreaciate that attention to detail.

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    • What I predict is

      6A - Jekyll & Hyde/Evil Queen Recurs.

      6A&B - Evil Queen.

      This is just due to this being the potentially final season and I see them drawing contrasts to season 1 and ending the series with how they began is quite fitting. Plus I feel the Evil Queen storyline can be stretched out for 22 episodes if she doesn't appear in every episode until the back half, maybe every two or three episodes?

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    • QueenOfHearts2 wrote: What I predict is

      6A - Jekyll & Hyde/Evil Queen Recurs.

      6A&B - Evil Queen.

      This is just due to this being the potentially final season and I see them drawing contrasts to season 1 and ending the series with how they began is quite fitting. Plus I feel the Evil Queen storyline can be stretched out for 22 episodes if she doesn't appear in every episode until the back half, maybe every two or three episodes?

      It may not be a final season.

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    • Aside from the Evil Queen or Hyde, I think we were hinted that there might be more old and new villains arriving. And now that the Evil Queen is back, do you suppose she might summon her black knights and bring them to Storybrooke? That would definately be scary. She is almost never without them.

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    • Her black knights are in storybrooke. have been since the beginning. We have just never seen them. And i would assume that Regina still has her heart storage facility in her vault, so she has control of them if needed. and while she should probably give them back their hearts, she may also be wise to hold them for now, because of the EQ.

      One former villian that I am wondering might return would be King George. He was an ally to Regina in the EF, and the EQ could spring him from whereever the heros are holding him (I don't think he's dead), The only other old villlains that are living are Maleficent and Sydney. i don't see mal joining forces with the EQ, not when she is enjoying time with her daughter. Sydney might try to join up with the EQ, but I doubt it after she burned him with the mess with Ingrid. All of the other old villains are dead (Cora, Greg, Tamara, Pan, Ingrid, Cruella, Hades, Blind Witch, James)  or reformed (Killian, Ursula)

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    • I hope the Evil Queen will not be the final villain of the show. I would be disapointed.

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    • King George should still be locked down in the mines or something, assuming that that outtake was canon. I could see Sydney teaming up with the Evil Queen, as that is who he really loves and not Regina.

      Maleficent is not really a villain anymore, but I hope she gets more spotlight next season as well. The hunt for Lily's dad is also still floating around. Maybe one of the new villains is her father who knows Mushu

      Personally I hope to see some characters like:

      • Headless Horseman: who formerly was Ichabod Crane before his head was cut off
      • Davy Jones: aka Liam 2.0 who ended up in LUS after he got no one to take care of him... and thus also changed his name
      • Krampus: his story never has been explored in any adaption I think.
        • And it would also be fun to see Santa appear, maybe with his sledge that can travel between lands.
      • Little Miss Muffet: control over spiders or something. Or in my other idea she is a warrior who tried to slay Arachne
      • Baba Yaga
      • Bloody Mary?
      • Dr. Facilier maybe?
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    • Hmcooper4 wrote: Her black knights are in storybrooke. have been since the beginning. We have just never seen them. And i would assume that Regina still has her heart storage facility in her vault, so she has control of them if needed. and while she should probably give them back their hearts, she may also be wise to hold them for now, because of the EQ.

      One former villian that I am wondering might return would be King George. He was an ally to Regina in the EF, and the EQ could spring him from whereever the heros are holding him (I don't think he's dead), The only other old villlains that are living are Maleficent and Sydney. i don't see mal joining forces with the EQ, not when she is enjoying time with her daughter. Sydney might try to join up with the EQ, but I doubt it after she burned him with the mess with Ingrid. All of the other old villains are dead (Cora, Greg, Tamara, Pan, Ingrid, Cruella, Hades, Blind Witch, James)  or reformed (Killian, Ursula)

      You forgot Zelena. She is an old villain. Though for. Ow, it seems like she reformed until next season.


      And for th record, I don't think she was holding the black Knights hearts to control them. Why? Because many some who were killed by a few of our heroes when they still have their hearts. And if they were in Storybrooke, they should swept back into the enchanted Forest before the second curse. But we saw no sign of them. And I am not sure if they were in storybrooke. And after all, not everyone gets swept from away the curse. Like Mulan, Ariel, Lancelot, Anna, Elsa, and Kristoff. So that might include the black Knights as well.

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    • Other than the handful killed by David, Regina's black knights were brought to Storybrooke (at least some of them were). I say that because she had a regiment with her when she came to the castle to try and prevent the savior from escaping. Any that were not killed would have been caught in the curse. They would have had 0 chance of avoiding it. and David did not kill all of them.

      And just because we see the knights killed (by any number of people) does not mean that they had their hearts. you could still die without your heart. It also does not mean they were heartless. we simply don't know.  What we do know is that we have seen at least one black knight whose heart was controlled by Regina.  and I would contend that The Huntsman was also one of Regina's fighting men whose heart she controlled.  She might not have the hearts of ALL her men, but I would wager that she at least controls the hearts of the men that are allowed to be close to her as a means of avoiding a treacherous attack.

      As for not seeing any sign of them, well, there are lots of things that we have not seen any sign of in the show. We didn't see Bo Peep until Season 4. But she was there (and I presume since the very first curse). Storybrooke is larger than what we see. 

      Not showing some of the black knights in Storybrooke is a relatively minor plot hole, and could make for an interesting story in season 6 should the EQ decide to regain control of her army. (Not that the knights would stand a chance against Regina, Emma, David, Snow, and Killian, plus Mal and Lily if they choose to side with the Heros).

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Her black knights are in storybrooke. have been since the beginning. We have just never seen them. And i would assume that Regina still has her heart storage facility in her vault, so she has control of them if needed. and while she should probably give them back their hearts, she may also be wise to hold them for now, because of the EQ.

      One former villian that I am wondering might return would be King George. He was an ally to Regina in the EF, and the EQ could spring him from whereever the heros are holding him (I don't think he's dead), The only other old villlains that are living are Maleficent and Sydney. i don't see mal joining forces with the EQ, not when she is enjoying time with her daughter. Sydney might try to join up with the EQ, but I doubt it after she burned him with the mess with Ingrid. All of the other old villains are dead (Cora, Greg, Tamara, Pan, Ingrid, Cruella, Hades, Blind Witch, James)  or reformed (Killian, Ursula)

      Another interesting thing they could do would be use villains that should exist because we have seen their stories on the show, but haven't shown up yet. People like Lady Tremaine (Cinderella), Stromboli (Pinnocio), Shan Yu (Mulan), Mother Gothel (Rapunzel), and Morgan Le Fay (Arthurian Legend) could all show up and assist Hyde or the Evil Queen. And of course Jafar (Aladdin) may show up on the main show. Last we saw (on the spinoff) he was turned into a genie, but his bottle could have fallen into the hands of many villainous characters by now.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote: Not showing some of the black knights in Storybrooke is a relatively minor plot hole, and could make for an interesting story in season 6 should the EQ decide to regain control of her army. (Not that the knights would stand a chance against Regina, Emma, David, Snow, and Killian, plus Mal and Lily if they choose to side with the Heros).

      No, but there is always other forces of evil Like Mr. Hyde or any other villains that some of our heroes won't stand a chance against. Since Mr. Hyde revealed that he bought company from the unknown land, probably including other villains like Jafar or something. I know Jafar was not seen or heard from in the unknown land but he me appear. I can't wait to see what happens.
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    • Hmcooper4 wrote: Other than the handful killed by David, Regina's black knights were brought to Storybrooke (at least some of them were). I say that because she had a regiment with her when she came to the castle to try and prevent the savior from escaping. Any that were not killed would have been caught in the curse. They would have had 0 chance of avoiding it. and David did not kill all of them.

      I already knew that David didn't kill them all and not all of them were dead. But we all know that some of them were killed off by Anita and the werewolves. Snow and Red as well when they were both on the run.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Hmcooper4 wrote: Not showing some of the black knights in Storybrooke is a relatively minor plot hole, and could make for an interesting story in season 6 should the EQ decide to regain control of her army. (Not that the knights would stand a chance against Regina, Emma, David, Snow, and Killian, plus Mal and Lily if they choose to side with the Heros).

      No, but there is always other forces of evil Like Mr. Hyde or any other villains that some of our heroes won't stand a chance against. Since Mr. Hyde revealed that he bought company from the unknown land, probably including other villains like Jafar or something. I know Jafar was not seen or heard from in the unknown land but he me appear. I can't wait to see what happens.

      True, there are other evil forces out there.  But Snow, David, and Killian (with help from the dwarves and other folk) are more than up to the task of dealing with any non-magical threat. And there are very few magical threats that would be able to stand against a combination of Regina, Emma, and Zelena. I think even Rumple might think twice about confronting that trio of witches, and he has more power and is practically unkillable.

      Also, I am not totally convinced that Hyde is a villain, so I am not going to lump him into the villain category yet.  I honestly get more of an anti-hero vibe from him.

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    • rumple the evil queen and hyde are the main villians the heroes are voilet emma regina henry and the others and for the love all stories stop calling it the hospital arc its the mental arc no ones goes into the mental hospital alll the magic monster and villians return to stoorybrooke the hostipal is only seen 4 times in season 6  not count the forever tales/untold stories  season 5 finale

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    • Please don't write things as absolutes. We do not know if the villains will be rumple, the EQ, and Hyde. That is a reasonable conjecture, but it is only conjecture.

      Also, we don't know what they will show in season 6.  All we have been given so far is that Hyde was looking for a place for the untold stories to be able to be played out. we know nothing about which stories will be told.

      Finally, the use of punctuation in the posts greatly increases the readability of what you are trying to say.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Please don't write things as absolutes. We do not know if the villains will be rumple, the EQ, and Hyde. That is a reasonable conjecture, but it is only conjecture.

      Also, we don't know what they will show in season 6.  All we have been given so far is that Hyde was looking for a place for the untold stories to be able to be played out. we know nothing about which stories will be told.

      Exactly.... at the moment, Mr. Hyde's motives are virtually harmless. This is OUaT, and Dr. Jekyll could easily turn out to be the villian. 

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    • I think I read somewhere that Sam Witwer said on his live stream today that he and Hank are recurring for S6A and that he said that creators told him that there's gonna be some romance for Hyde and he will be sharing lots of screen time with Lana. Most likely it's with the Evil Queen.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      I think I read somewhere that Sam Witwer said on his live stream today that he and Hank are recurring for S6A and that he said that creators told him that there's gonna be some romance for Hyde and he will be sharing lots of screen time with Lana. Most likely it's with the Evil Queen.

      Mr. Hyde possibly having a romance with the Evil Queen, does automatically make him a villain. Many viewers just assume he is evil, because of the original story. While forgetting that Dr. Jekyll, was by far the more disturbed character. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      I think I read somewhere that Sam Witwer said on his live stream today that he and Hank are recurring for S6A and that he said that creators told him that there's gonna be some romance for Hyde and he will be sharing lots of screen time with Lana. Most likely it's with the Evil Queen.
      Mr. Hyde possibly having a romance with the Evil Queen, does automatically make him a villain. Many viewers just assume he is evil, because of the original story. While forgetting that Dr. Jekyll, was by far the more disturbed character. 

      My theory for season 6 that I posted in season 6 wishlist had Hyde as a misunderstood anti-hero and Jekyll as the actual villain. I also predicted that Regina would be split from the evil queen. I'm going to stick with that until proven wrong. OUaT loves twists on characters like that. Who ever imagined a world where Peter Pan was the villain and Captain Hook was the hero? I see Hyde being the new love interest for Regina. Don't think EQ is going to get a love interest. Heck, she doesn't even have a heart. I could totally see Hyde moving from recurring to starring to replace Robin Hood, assuming he doesn't return somehow. It does strike me as odd that quite a few of our current hero lineup started out as villains (Hook, Regina, Zelena). THough as much as I love Zelena, I'm not 100% ready to label her hero. More like "non-villain."

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    • I quite hope ~REgina doesn't get a new love interest. Especially so fast after Robin's gone. I think Regina will more likely spend time with Zelena, Henry and baby Robin as there is enough love there for her to cope with without being in a romantic relationship.

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    • Of course, the thing I might have found of Hyde and the Evil Queen is most likely from someone trolling. Why? Because I can't find anything official on the web. I double checked.

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    • Or maybe Jekyll had a love interest that went awry, which was the cause of his Hyde alter ego.  OR Maybe Jekyll was robbed of his TL by Rumple, somehow.  A deal between the two gone wrong, and from there Hyde came to be.  I'm starting to think Rumple has a direct connection w/ how Hyde/Jekyll are one in the same.  And b/c this is OUAT, there will be a TL involved.  And perhaps THIS is what Hyde meant when he said that it was Rumple who "trapped" them here.  Double meaning in that sentence.  Trapped in LoUS and trapped inside one another.

      This leads to me saying, I bet Hyde/EQ aren't a romance.  Just allies, out for revenge. Or "justice".  

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    • DarlingDavies wrote: Or maybe Jekyll had a love interest that went awry, which was the cause of his Hyde alter ego.  OR Maybe Jekyll was robbed of his TL by Rumple, somehow.  A deal between the two gone wrong, and from there Hyde came to be.  I'm starting to think Rumple has a direct connection w/ how Hyde/Jekyll are one in the same.  And b/c this is OUAT, there will be a TL involved.  And perhaps THIS is what Hyde meant when he said that it was Rumple who "trapped" them here.  Double meaning in that sentence.  Trapped in LoUS and trapped inside one another.

      This leads to me saying, I bet Hyde/EQ aren't a romance.  Just allies, out for revenge. Or "justice".  

      Yeah. Probably just allies working together to get revenge. And if so, they might seek out allies of other forces of evil (the old and new).
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    • Wonderlandian87 wrote:

      My theory for season 6 that I posted in season 6 wishlist had Hyde as a misunderstood anti-hero and Jekyll as the actual villain. 

      Most of Hyde's scenes and dialogue, during the finale, would actually support that theory. 

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    • And given the final scene between Regina, Henry, and Edward Hyde, I can see that there might be some definite commonality and understanding between Regina and Edward. Not romance, but if Edward is someone who was dark (and possibly had a villainous background) but is now on the road towards redemption, which he is hoping to achieve by helping the untold stories be told, then he and Regina have some commonality to share. and a basis to form an alliance.

      I think it likely that some of the stories that need to be told will have villains that will work with the EQ, though.

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    • From what I understand about this tale, Mr. Hyde is a part of Dr. Jekyll, just like "the Evil Queen" is one side of Regina. If Hyde is "evil" then that darkness was originally in Jekyll, right? So I wouldn't be surprised at all if this timid doctor who just wants to be his good self turns out to be an evil mastermind. Or maybe he /was/ really bad like Regina and did something (to Rumple??) and became so remorseful that he felt the need to do some separating. Since Hyde and the Evil Queen are both the "evil copies," I'm sure they'll team up when she makes her way to Storybrooke.

      I can't find anything Sam said about OUAT other than that he was offered the Hyde role and was given a lot of freedom to present the character however he wanted. I like the voice, haha. 

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    • JennaMae wrote: I can't find anything Sam said about OUAT other than that he was offered the Hyde role and was given a lot of freedom to present the character however he wanted. I like the voice, haha. 

      Then it doesn't exist. All because it seems to be a lie and a troll.

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    • In the original "Strange Tale of Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde", Hyde was indeed the evil alter ego to Jekyll (though Jekyll creating the serum that produced Hyde int he first place puts him in a questionable state as well).

      But this is Once, and they can twist as the see fit. Peter Pan as a Villian, the (Formerlly) Evil Queen and Captain Hook as Heros, Maleficent as at least an Anti-Hero. Ursula as a reformed villain. The Miller's daughter (the protagonist of the Rumplestiltskin fairy tale) is a villain. Once is not bound to follow any conventions other than what they choose. Sam may be playing Hyde how he chooses, but that is still going to be within certain boundries estableshed by the writers regarding the direction Hyde will be taking (Hero, Anti-hero, villain, victim, etc). I would watch and see what the writers do with both Jekyll and Hyde, it may not turn out like anyone expects.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote: In the original "Strange Tale of Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde", Hyde was indeed the evil alter ego to Jekyll (though Jekyll creating the serum that produced Hyde int he first place puts him in a questionable state as well).

      But this is Once, and they can twist as the see fit. Peter Pan as a Villian, the (Formerlly) Evil Queen and Captain Hook as Heros, Maleficent as at least an Anti-Hero. Ursula as a reformed villain. The Miller's daughter (the protagonist of the Rumplestiltskin fairy tale) is a villain. Once is not bound to follow any conventions other than what they choose. Sam may be playing Hyde how he chooses, but that is still going to be within certain boundries estableshed by the writers regarding the direction Hyde will be taking (Hero, Anti-hero, villain, victim, etc). I would watch and see what the writers do with both Jekyll and Hyde, it may not turn out like anyone expects.

      The Millers Daughter is the Queen of Hearts as well (a villain from Alice in Wonderland). And they kind of made Cinderella like the Miller's daughter (where Rumple's Price is her baby).

      Some Villains from the books stay evil, like Cruella, the Blind Witch, Black Beard, Hades and Jafar. Pan is really Malcom (an original character) and I wouldn't consider him as Peter Pan cause it is a false identity to me. And also, we have two Ursulas. Poseidon's daughter and the Sea Goddess. Maybe the Sea Goddess is the one true Ursula who is unknowingly a villain. I mean she did threaten Regina's life for impersonating her.

      And still sometimes villains will sometimes go back to being evil again. Sometimes one way or the other. And you wonder why they had the Evil Queen return as a villain in someway. Probably because she and the other villains who seem to be redeemed for now, or turned into Anti Heroes for now are more interesting as Villains. For Regina's evil double, there doesn't seem to be any redemption for her.

      Yes it might be possible that Hyde is not what he seems, but so far what makes him a villain is that he was very ruthless, almost killed Jeckyll and the Heroes. He was also threatening when he now has claim to storybrooke or how he warned Regina that evil cannot be disposed of easily as we saw what he meant when the Evil Queen returned alive. He just said the word evil, which right now seems to make him one. Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

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    • Did you guys know that Lily and Maleficent are back next season? They might also talk about who Lily's dad is apparently.

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    • Adshayah151 wrote: Did you guys know that Lily and Maleficent are back next season? They might also talk about who Lily's dad is apparently.

      In the recent Hotseat, it was told that they may appear in the next season along eight the mysterious father. Some people claim the Dragon is Lily's father, but it was not confirmed. It may not be him because the evil queen might have killed him after ripping his heart out.

      Also Lily's actress didn't appear in the fifth season cause for one thing, she was pregnant. Now the pregnancy was over this spring, we might finally see her in action with Maleficent. And who knows, since we were foretold that the Charming will be at the front center and may obviously get more attention at last, they may be the ones who help the dragon ladies find the father of the family, just like how they both got mother and daughter back together (which Emma failed on and sentenced her mother to death).

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Hmcooper4 wrote: In the original "Strange Tale of Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde", Hyde was indeed the evil alter ego to Jekyll (though Jekyll creating the serum that produced Hyde int he first place puts him in a questionable state as well).

      But this is Once, and they can twist as the see fit. Peter Pan as a Villian, the (Formerlly) Evil Queen and Captain Hook as Heros, Maleficent as at least an Anti-Hero. Ursula as a reformed villain. The Miller's daughter (the protagonist of the Rumplestiltskin fairy tale) is a villain. Once is not bound to follow any conventions other than what they choose. Sam may be playing Hyde how he chooses, but that is still going to be within certain boundries estableshed by the writers regarding the direction Hyde will be taking (Hero, Anti-hero, villain, victim, etc). I would watch and see what the writers do with both Jekyll and Hyde, it may not turn out like anyone expects.

      The Millers Daughter is the Queen of Hearts as well (a villain from Alice in Wonderland). And they kind of made Cinderella like the Miller's daughter (where Rumple's Price is her baby).

      Some Villains from the books stay evil, like Cruella, the Blind Witch, Black Beard, Hades and Jafar. Pan is really Malcom (an original character) and I wouldn't consider him as Peter Pan cause it is a false identity to me. And also, we have two Ursulas. Poseidon's daughter and the Sea Goddess. Maybe the Sea Goddess is the one true Ursula who is unknowingly a villain. I mean she did threaten Regina's life for impersonating her.

      And still sometimes villains will sometimes go back to being evil again. Sometimes one way or the other. And you wonder why they had the Evil Queen return as a villain in someway. Probably because she and the other villains who seem to be redeemed for now, or turned into Anti Heroes for now are more interesting as Villains. For Regina's evil double, there doesn't seem to be any redemption for her.

      Yes it might be possible that Hyde is not what he seems, but so far what makes him a villain is that he was very ruthless, almost killed Jeckyll and the Heroes. He was also threatening when he now has claim to storybrooke or how he warned Regina that evil cannot be disposed of easily as we saw what he meant when the Evil Queen returned alive. He just said the word evil, which right now seems to make him one. Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

      He said 'darkness' not 'evil', two different things.

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    • Pbfhdude92 wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Hmcooper4 wrote: In the original "Strange Tale of Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde", Hyde was indeed the evil alter ego to Jekyll (though Jekyll creating the serum that produced Hyde int he first place puts him in a questionable state as well).

      But this is Once, and they can twist as the see fit. Peter Pan as a Villian, the (Formerlly) Evil Queen and Captain Hook as Heros, Maleficent as at least an Anti-Hero. Ursula as a reformed villain. The Miller's daughter (the protagonist of the Rumplestiltskin fairy tale) is a villain. Once is not bound to follow any conventions other than what they choose. Sam may be playing Hyde how he chooses, but that is still going to be within certain boundries estableshed by the writers regarding the direction Hyde will be taking (Hero, Anti-hero, villain, victim, etc). I would watch and see what the writers do with both Jekyll and Hyde, it may not turn out like anyone expects.

      The Millers Daughter is the Queen of Hearts as well (a villain from Alice in Wonderland). And they kind of made Cinderella like the Miller's daughter (where Rumple's Price is her baby).

      Some Villains from the books stay evil, like Cruella, the Blind Witch, Black Beard, Hades and Jafar. Pan is really Malcom (an original character) and I wouldn't consider him as Peter Pan cause it is a false identity to me. And also, we have two Ursulas. Poseidon's daughter and the Sea Goddess. Maybe the Sea Goddess is the one true Ursula who is unknowingly a villain. I mean she did threaten Regina's life for impersonating her.

      And still sometimes villains will sometimes go back to being evil again. Sometimes one way or the other. And you wonder why they had the Evil Queen return as a villain in someway. Probably because she and the other villains who seem to be redeemed for now, or turned into Anti Heroes for now are more interesting as Villains. For Regina's evil double, there doesn't seem to be any redemption for her.

      Yes it might be possible that Hyde is not what he seems, but so far what makes him a villain is that he was very ruthless, almost killed Jeckyll and the Heroes. He was also threatening when he now has claim to storybrooke or how he warned Regina that evil cannot be disposed of easily as we saw what he meant when the Evil Queen returned alive. He just said the word evil, which right now seems to make him one. Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

      He said 'darkness' not 'evil', two different things.

      Doesn't matter, they are both still bad and similar.
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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Pbfhdude92 wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Hmcooper4 wrote: In the original "Strange Tale of Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde", Hyde was indeed the evil alter ego to Jekyll (though Jekyll creating the serum that produced Hyde int he first place puts him in a questionable state as well).

      But this is Once, and they can twist as the see fit. Peter Pan as a Villian, the (Formerlly) Evil Queen and Captain Hook as Heros, Maleficent as at least an Anti-Hero. Ursula as a reformed villain. The Miller's daughter (the protagonist of the Rumplestiltskin fairy tale) is a villain. Once is not bound to follow any conventions other than what they choose. Sam may be playing Hyde how he chooses, but that is still going to be within certain boundries estableshed by the writers regarding the direction Hyde will be taking (Hero, Anti-hero, villain, victim, etc). I would watch and see what the writers do with both Jekyll and Hyde, it may not turn out like anyone expects.

      The Millers Daughter is the Queen of Hearts as well (a villain from Alice in Wonderland). And they kind of made Cinderella like the Miller's daughter (where Rumple's Price is her baby).

      Some Villains from the books stay evil, like Cruella, the Blind Witch, Black Beard, Hades and Jafar. Pan is really Malcom (an original character) and I wouldn't consider him as Peter Pan cause it is a false identity to me. And also, we have two Ursulas. Poseidon's daughter and the Sea Goddess. Maybe the Sea Goddess is the one true Ursula who is unknowingly a villain. I mean she did threaten Regina's life for impersonating her.

      And still sometimes villains will sometimes go back to being evil again. Sometimes one way or the other. And you wonder why they had the Evil Queen return as a villain in someway. Probably because she and the other villains who seem to be redeemed for now, or turned into Anti Heroes for now are more interesting as Villains. For Regina's evil double, there doesn't seem to be any redemption for her.

      Yes it might be possible that Hyde is not what he seems, but so far what makes him a villain is that he was very ruthless, almost killed Jeckyll and the Heroes. He was also threatening when he now has claim to storybrooke or how he warned Regina that evil cannot be disposed of easily as we saw what he meant when the Evil Queen returned alive. He just said the word evil, which right now seems to make him one. Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

      He said 'darkness' not 'evil', two different things.
      Doesn't matter, they are both still bad and similar.

      No it's not. Take Lily for instance, she has Emma's darkness but she's not evil.

      Merlin himself says darkness could someday be used for good.

      Dark does not mean evil.

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    • Pbfhdude92 wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Pbfhdude92 wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Hmcooper4 wrote: In the original "Strange Tale of Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde", Hyde was indeed the evil alter ego to Jekyll (though Jekyll creating the serum that produced Hyde int he first place puts him in a questionable state as well).

      But this is Once, and they can twist as the see fit. Peter Pan as a Villian, the (Formerlly) Evil Queen and Captain Hook as Heros, Maleficent as at least an Anti-Hero. Ursula as a reformed villain. The Miller's daughter (the protagonist of the Rumplestiltskin fairy tale) is a villain. Once is not bound to follow any conventions other than what they choose. Sam may be playing Hyde how he chooses, but that is still going to be within certain boundries estableshed by the writers regarding the direction Hyde will be taking (Hero, Anti-hero, villain, victim, etc). I would watch and see what the writers do with both Jekyll and Hyde, it may not turn out like anyone expects.

      The Millers Daughter is the Queen of Hearts as well (a villain from Alice in Wonderland). And they kind of made Cinderella like the Miller's daughter (where Rumple's Price is her baby).

      Some Villains from the books stay evil, like Cruella, the Blind Witch, Black Beard, Hades and Jafar. Pan is really Malcom (an original character) and I wouldn't consider him as Peter Pan cause it is a false identity to me. And also, we have two Ursulas. Poseidon's daughter and the Sea Goddess. Maybe the Sea Goddess is the one true Ursula who is unknowingly a villain. I mean she did threaten Regina's life for impersonating her.

      And still sometimes villains will sometimes go back to being evil again. Sometimes one way or the other. And you wonder why they had the Evil Queen return as a villain in someway. Probably because she and the other villains who seem to be redeemed for now, or turned into Anti Heroes for now are more interesting as Villains. For Regina's evil double, there doesn't seem to be any redemption for her.

      Yes it might be possible that Hyde is not what he seems, but so far what makes him a villain is that he was very ruthless, almost killed Jeckyll and the Heroes. He was also threatening when he now has claim to storybrooke or how he warned Regina that evil cannot be disposed of easily as we saw what he meant when the Evil Queen returned alive. He just said the word evil, which right now seems to make him one. Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

      He said 'darkness' not 'evil', two different things.
      Doesn't matter, they are both still bad and similar.

      No it's not. Take Lily for instance, she has Emma's darkness but she's not evil.

      Merlin himself says darkness could someday be used for good.

      Dark does not mean evil.

      I'm saying they are similar because they are both bad. For heaven sake.
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    • Ok, Snow has some darkness, as evidenced by the spot on her heart. Regina and Rumple have TONS of darkness.  I could continue with other characters, but the point is everyone has some amount of darkness.  the darkness does NOT make them evil.  And Darkness may not even necessarily be bad.

      Hyde is dark, there is no doubt and no denying of that fact. His actions are rather dark and grim. 

      And I would even accept that a person's darkness can lead them to do things that are evil in nature.

      but darkness is not evil.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote: Ok, Snow has some darkness, as evidenced by the spot on her heart.

      Not anymore. As hinted in A Curious Thing.
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    • Hmcooper4 wrote: but darkness is not evil.

      It doesn't matter. It's still a bad thing.

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    • Talking about hearts, it's interesting Once never touched upon Hearts of Light which is used in Kingdom Hearts (and seeing as Disney co-owns KH they could use the concept).

      In Kingdom Hearts there are Seven Princesses of Light who have a heart made out of pure light (making it impossible for them to transform into Heartless). These princess however are: Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Alice, Jasmine, Belle and Kairi... with all of them having already appeared... the concept is interesting to re-use though.

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    • Interesting concept, but KH does not belong on Once (unless it's Henry playing the game).

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Interesting concept, but KH does not belong on Once (unless it's Henry playing the game).

      I only meant the concept of the "7 Hearts of Light" not the game itself, Once should never touch upon that precious piece of art

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Interesting concept, but KH does not belong on Once (unless it's Henry playing the game).
      I only meant the concept of the "7 Hearts of Light" not the game itself, Once should never touch upon that precious piece of art

      But why? I mean Once already breaks that because KH has only really 7 people with pure hearts, while Once has pure hearted people like it's going out of style. Now the concept of "Things that protect us from the forces of evil" kind of not used in Once because there's no big bad abstract concept being fought, but instead uses the "Chosen One" which would be Emma.

      Don't get me uppity about Disney insertion into Once XD! These writers don't seem to be able to make a way out of a paper bag. I'd like for you to recall the "potential for darkness" versus "darkness" thing from 4b which was nonsensical and illogical.

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    • https://twitter.com/yvrshoots/status/736266231561347073

      Season six filming period:  July 7th, 2016 to March 31, 2017. 

      Same schedule as years past, so that pretty much confirms a full 22-ep season. (Although in the last 2 seasons, they've gotten an extra episode somewhere along the production line) 

      Just a little over a month until actual info about the season starts coming out! Haha. And this also means that they will be onto 6x02 by the time SDCC comes around, so mayyyybe we'll get a tiny trailer then. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      https://twitter.com/yvrshoots/status/736266231561347073

      Season six filming period:  July 7th, 2016 to March 31, 2017. 

      Same schedule as years past, so that pretty much confirms a full 22-ep season. (Although in the last 2 seasons, they've gotten an extra episode somewhere along the production line) 

      Just a little over a month until actual info about the season starts coming out! Haha. And this also means that they will be onto 6x02 by the time SDCC comes around, so mayyyybe we'll get a tiny trailer then. 

      Yeah, they sort of didn't hype us up like the previous seasons. I'll also see about putting this on a 6 filming thread (or whatever 601) will be.

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    • So we have about a month (give or take a few days) before we can get any spoilage. And usually, they spend a little time putting together whatever promo they are going to show at SDCC (July 21-24), the footage of which rarely is used in an actual episode (thinking of the Dark Swan promos and pics that were released last year). So, really, I would not expect anything substantial in the way of spoilers until around the first of August (which is when we might get the title for the season 6 premiere).

      Have I ever mentioned my dislike for the Hiatus' (though at least this is giving me a chance to finally watch through Lost).

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      https://twitter.com/yvrshoots/status/736266231561347073

      Season six filming period:  July 7th, 2016 to March 31, 2017. 

      Same schedule as years past, so that pretty much confirms a full 22-ep season. (Although in the last 2 seasons, they've gotten an extra episode somewhere along the production line) 

      Just a little over a month until actual info about the season starts coming out! Haha. And this also means that they will be onto 6x02 by the time SDCC comes around, so mayyyybe we'll get a tiny trailer then. 

      Exciting stuff! Wonder if we'll find any casting calls in June then for new characters.

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    • I wonder if we are 22 episodes this time or 23 again.

      And why do I have a feeling that this season is going to be like season 1 again. Sounds like it because of the evil queen back and the Charmings seem to be announced to take action again and are earning more focus and attention like s1 to s3.

      It is also possible we may see more Bandit Snow White adventures this time. I definitely would love to see Emma interacting with Bandit Snow White fully in some future season just like how she somewhat did when time traveling. But this time she and Henry can interact with the Bandit and their past mother and grandmother.

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    • If we see Don Quixote in the flesh, I can see him befriending and doing teamwork with a real knight of honor, Prince Charming.

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    • well if there is a mental hospital arc i hope doctor hopper returns what is ironically he makes good on his promise of locking henry up lol

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      I wonder if we are 22 episodes this time or 23 again.

      And why do I have a feeling that this season is going to be like season 1 again. Sounds like it because of the evil queen back and the Charmings seem to be announced to take action again and are earning more focus and attention like s1 to s3.

      It is also possible we may see more Bandit Snow White adventures this time. I definitely would love to see Emma interacting with Bandit Snow White fully in some future season just like how she somewhat did when time traveling. But this time she and Henry can interact with the Bandit and their past mother and grandmother.

      It won't be like season 1. They always say that for an upcoming season to have paople excited. As long as there is magic in Storybrooke, no it will never remind us S1 or S2. They actually had a chance to destroy it in the season finale bu they wasted it. It means the writers really don't know how to handle things without magic. What a shame

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    • CadoDoan wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      I wonder if we are 22 episodes this time or 23 again.

      And why do I have a feeling that this season is going to be like season 1 again. Sounds like it because of the evil queen back and the Charmings seem to be announced to take action again and are earning more focus and attention like s1 to s3.

      It is also possible we may see more Bandit Snow White adventures this time. I definitely would love to see Emma interacting with Bandit Snow White fully in some future season just like how she somewhat did when time traveling. But this time she and Henry can interact with the Bandit and their past mother and grandmother.

      It won't be like season 1. They always say that for an upcoming season to have paople excited. As long as there is magic in Storybrooke, no it will never remind us S1 or S2. They actually had a chance to destroy it in the season finale bu they wasted it. It means the writers really don't know how to handle things without magic. What a shame

      Will you people stop saying things like you know what will happen when in reality you don't? You obviously don't know thing about that if it won't be like s1. I know I don't. And at least I am not thinking like that.

      Besides, I said might, not will.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      CadoDoan wrote:


      NickyHelp wrote:
      I wonder if we are 22 episodes this time or 23 again.

      And why do I have a feeling that this season is going to be like season 1 again. Sounds like it because of the evil queen back and the Charmings seem to be announced to take action again and are earning more focus and attention like s1 to s3.

      It is also possible we may see more Bandit Snow White adventures this time. I definitely would love to see Emma interacting with Bandit Snow White fully in some future season just like how she somewhat did when time traveling. But this time she and Henry can interact with the Bandit and their past mother and grandmother.

      It won't be like season 1. They always say that for an upcoming season to have paople excited. As long as there is magic in Storybrooke, no it will never remind us S1 or S2. They actually had a chance to destroy it in the season finale bu they wasted it. It means the writers really don't know how to handle things without magic. What a shame
      Will you people stop saying things like you know what will happen when in reality you don't? You obviously don't know thing about that if it won't be like s1. I know I don't. And at least I am not thinking like that.

      Besides, I said might, not will.

      Alright, calm down. No one says something against someone. That is "my" opinion and this is "your" opinion. English is not my mother tongue but at least I know the difference between "going to" and "will". So yes, I don't know exactly what's going to happen. I just speculated something. Just like everyone in here. As I said, no one criticizes you for saying your opinion.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      I wonder if we are 22 episodes this time or 23 again.

      And why do I have a feeling that this season is going to be like season 1 again. Sounds like it because of the evil queen back and the Charmings seem to be announced to take action again and are earning more focus and attention like s1 to s3.

      It is also possible we may see more Bandit Snow White adventures this time. I definitely would love to see Emma interacting with Bandit Snow White fully in some future season just like how she somewhat did when time traveling. But this time she and Henry can interact with the Bandit and their past mother and grandmother.

      It won't be like season 1. They always say that for an upcoming season to have paople excited. As long as there is magic in Storybrooke, no it will never remind us S1 or S2. They actually had a chance to destroy it in the season finale bu they wasted it. It means the writers really don't know how to handle things without magic. What a shame

      The thought is that it will be more like season one in that we will have more "character of the week" episodes.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      I wonder if we are 22 episodes this time or 23 again.

      And why do I have a feeling that this season is going to be like season 1 again. Sounds like it because of the evil queen back and the Charmings seem to be announced to take action again and are earning more focus and attention like s1 to s3.

      It is also possible we may see more Bandit Snow White adventures this time. I definitely would love to see Emma interacting with Bandit Snow White fully in some future season just like how she somewhat did when time traveling. But this time she and Henry can interact with the Bandit and their past mother and grandmother.

      It won't be like season 1. They always say that for an upcoming season to have paople excited. As long as there is magic in Storybrooke, no it will never remind us S1 or S2. They actually had a chance to destroy it in the season finale bu they wasted it. It means the writers really don't know how to handle things without magic. What a shame
      The thought is that it will be more like season one in that we will have more "character of the week" episodes.

      Yep, I think it probably will be like that but the issue would be (which I'm guessing the writers will figure out) that it would be just like "Soul of the week" in 5b, so they'd have to mix things up. Plus, the writers can't resist not having the others in their backstory (rightfully so as we can't spend half and episode about a character we never saw and will never see again without connection to someone in the main cast, even character develeopment-wise).

      I feel like it'll be the "person of the week", but I have a feeling it might not end up that way.

      And, no, we need magic on this show, because it's a fantasy, fairytale drama, not some serialized crime drama, lol.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      I wonder if we are 22 episodes this time or 23 again.

      And why do I have a feeling that this season is going to be like season 1 again. Sounds like it because of the evil queen back and the Charmings seem to be announced to take action again and are earning more focus and attention like s1 to s3.

      It is also possible we may see more Bandit Snow White adventures this time. I definitely would love to see Emma interacting with Bandit Snow White fully in some future season just like how she somewhat did when time traveling. But this time she and Henry can interact with the Bandit and their past mother and grandmother.

      It won't be like season 1. They always say that for an upcoming season to have paople excited. As long as there is magic in Storybrooke, no it will never remind us S1 or S2. They actually had a chance to destroy it in the season finale bu they wasted it. It means the writers really don't know how to handle things without magic. What a shame
      The thought is that it will be more like season one in that we will have more "character of the week" episodes.
      Yep, I think it probably will be like that but the issue would be (which I'm guessing the writers will figure out) that it would be just like "Soul of the week" in 5b, so they'd have to mix things up. Plus, the writers can't resist not having the others in their backstory (rightfully so as we can't spend half and episode about a character we never saw and will never see again without connection to someone in the main cast, even character develeopment-wise).

      I feel like it'll be the "person of the week", but I have a feeling it might not end up that way.

      And, no, we need magic on this show, because it's a fantasy, fairytale drama, not some serialized crime drama, lol.

      Yes, of course we need magic. But not in modern-day. It wasn't like that in S1 which most of the people enjoyed most. Actually, Kathyrn's dissapearance reminded me a little bit crime show :D I want them to handle things like normal people, so we can understand what they're going through. Because sometimes it goes like childish. About the "person of the week", I actually agree with you. But as you said, they'll probably mix things up with the main cast. But I mean, does every person have to have a connection with our heroes? It's already gone to an unrealistic way about that from the beginning of S4. If they want to do something like S1, I'm in but I just don't want Aladdin to be a close friend of bandit Snow White.  

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      I wonder if we are 22 episodes this time or 23 again.

      And why do I have a feeling that this season is going to be like season 1 again. Sounds like it because of the evil queen back and the Charmings seem to be announced to take action again and are earning more focus and attention like s1 to s3.

      It is also possible we may see more Bandit Snow White adventures this time. I definitely would love to see Emma interacting with Bandit Snow White fully in some future season just like how she somewhat did when time traveling. But this time she and Henry can interact with the Bandit and their past mother and grandmother.

      It won't be like season 1. They always say that for an upcoming season to have paople excited. As long as there is magic in Storybrooke, no it will never remind us S1 or S2. They actually had a chance to destroy it in the season finale bu they wasted it. It means the writers really don't know how to handle things without magic. What a shame
      The thought is that it will be more like season one in that we will have more "character of the week" episodes.
      Yep, I think it probably will be like that but the issue would be (which I'm guessing the writers will figure out) that it would be just like "Soul of the week" in 5b, so they'd have to mix things up. Plus, the writers can't resist not having the others in their backstory (rightfully so as we can't spend half and episode about a character we never saw and will never see again without connection to someone in the main cast, even character develeopment-wise).

      I feel like it'll be the "person of the week", but I have a feeling it might not end up that way.

      And, no, we need magic on this show, because it's a fantasy, fairytale drama, not some serialized crime drama, lol.

      Yes, of course we need magic. But not in modern-day. It wasn't like that in S1 which most of the people enjoyed most. Actually, Kathyrn's dissapearance reminded me a little bit crime show :D I want them to handle things like normal people, so we can understand what they're going through. Because sometimes it goes like childish. About the "person of the week", I actually agree with you. But as you said, they'll probably mix things up with the main cast. But I mean, does every person have to have a connection with our heroes? It's already gone to an unrealistic way about that from the beginning of S4. If they want to do something like S1, I'm in but I just don't want Aladdin to be a close friend of bandit Snow White.  

      It'll happen and it will be Glorious! (Mortal Kombat movie quote)

      I sure it'll at least add to the character development of the core character of the episode. The core cast still have to be developed. They are priority number 1, so if you want to do a "person/story of the week" then you have to tie in a core character so that it's not in its own bubble.

      Example, The Bear King. If it didn't have Zelena in it, it would practically be an entirely unrelated episode that has nothing to do with our main cast, etc. It was nice, but I assume the general audience is more like "Who are these people? What does this have to do with anything?" because it is essentially filler.

      So, if Don Quixote, then he'll be paired with Regina because she stole his horse or whatever. But we can't have some unrelated flashback because it would be weird. It's like if we take Labor of Love and chop out all the Snow bits and make the flashback entirely about Herc and MEg. Weird.

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    • But, the flashbacks would not necessarily need to have a regular (and by regular, i really mean one of the mains) involved.  The interaction could come in the present day, while the flashback could focus on the "character of the week". Particularly if the "character of the week" could end up being a recurring (though not main) character.  For example, in Dreamy, the back story did not have any of the mains (though Belle would go on to become a main later).  The back story focused on Dreamy/Grumpy/Leroy and Astrid/Nova. Minor interaction from Belle and the other dwarves (and I think maybe Blue as well, I don't recall off hand).  So there was no main character in the flashback. Interaction (and character development) was between Mary Margaret and Leroy in the present. So something like this could work. It would just require the writers do a bit more work.

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    • CadoDoan wrote: <div class=If they want to do something like S1, I'm in but I just don't want Aladdin to be a close friend of bandit Snow White.  

      Well if it happens, you better get use to it. After all they already had Snow befriend two or more leading heroes from different stories, like Red, Ariel and Hercules. And they are still doing that with the Charmings. Snow was very popular of making new friends and allies, most of them are non human: Dwarfs, werewolves, fairies, enchanted crickets, former enchanted puppets, Dragon ladies (which seems to be a start) Giants, Mermaids, knights of the round table, princes/princesses of all stories, and Demigods.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      But, the flashbacks would not necessarily need to have a regular (and by regular, i really mean one of the mains) involved.  The interaction could come in the present day, while the flashback could focus on the "character of the week". Particularly if the "character of the week" could end up being a recurring (though not main) character.  For example, in Dreamy, the back story did not have any of the mains (though Belle would go on to become a main later).  The back story focused on Dreamy/Grumpy/Leroy and Astrid/Nova. Minor interaction from Belle and the other dwarves (and I think maybe Blue as well, I don't recall off hand).  So there was no main character in the flashback. Interaction (and character development) was between Mary Margaret and Leroy in the present. So something like this could work. It would just require the writers do a bit more work.

      Yes, yes, but as you said it requires more work. One of the major things you discount is that every week wasn't Dreamy. Dreamy was one of a bunch, not 9(ish) straight episodes of unrelated flashbacks.

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    • True, and I'm not suggesting that every episode be disconnected in the flashback. Obviously, if the characters are from the EF (or FTL in general), the chances are high that they will have encountered Snow, Regina, or Rumple. (since most will be from the same general timeframe as Regina and Snow).

      Of course, it all depends on what the writers want to show in the backflash. Are they interested in showing the story of the "character of the week" complete with the Once Twist (like they did with Jiminy's story), or are they more interested in showing how the characters intereacted (such as Snow and Red), and which approach best tells the story?

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    • Right. I would imagine it would be at best a mixture of both (assuming that the writers haven't already sent those "characters" to Offscreensville already. There are a ton of stories and not a ton of episodes.

      I can already see that Captain Nemo might go alone with Hook, Jekyll and Hyde with Rumple, Toss Don Quixote to Snow, etc. But I don't know since with how creative the writers are, it could be anything! XD

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    • Eskaver wrote: Right. I would imagine it would be at best a mixture of both (assuming that the writers haven't already sent those "characters" to Offscreensville already. There are a ton of stories and not a ton of episodes.

      I can already see that Captain Nemo might go alone with Hook, Jekyll and Hyde with Rumple, Toss Don Quixote to Snow, etc. But I don't know since with how creative the writers are, it could be anything! XD

      You know if they do show a connection between Snow and Don Quixote, maybe he would be the one to teach her to fight with a sword. Why, because he was know to read a lot about knighthood and honor. We already saw how Snow learned how to shoot an arrow, but it's seems to be about time that we see how she learned to swordplay.
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    • Everyone's bringing up good points. I think half the flashbacks having one of the main cast in them, and half only having new characters and/or other guest characters in them would be good. Also, we have confirmation of Emma and Hook now, so just waiting for Snow and Charming confirmation, and we should have our whole main cast for this season.

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    • What I really want to see is Captain Hook, Not Mr. White Pickket Fence Killian Jones. Defend his shp from the pirates i saw in the LUS.

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    • Mrs.EmmaJones wrote:
      What I really want to see is Captain Hook, Not Mr. White Pickket Fence Killian Jones. Defend his shp from the pirates i saw in the LUS.

      I imagine that one of the scenes will go like this.

      Hook arrives, opening the door.

      H: Honey---I mean, Swan, I'm home.

      He then proceeds to hang up his leather jacket and hat. Emma arrives with an old-fashioned dress and apron on and comes to kiss him.

      E: How was your day? Hope you didn't drink too much today. I'm made--ordered dinner. It'll be ready soon!

      H: I had a rough day on the job. (looks around) Where's that bloody son of yours?

      E: Just whitewashing a new coat on our lovely new picket fence.

      Scene ends with awkward laughter.

      Nuclear family of the old US. I am ready to expect this or the alternative. Killy Willy returns?

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Mrs.EmmaJones wrote:
      What I really want to see is Captain Hook, Not Mr. White Pickket Fence Killian Jones. Defend his shp from the pirates i saw in the LUS.
      I imagine that one of the scenes will go like this.

      Hook arrives, opening the door.

      H: Honey---I mean, Swan, I'm home.

      He then proceeds to hang up his leather jacket and hat. Emma arrives with an old-fashioned dress and apron on and comes to kiss him.

      E: How was your day? Hope you didn't drink too much today. I'm made--ordered dinner. It'll be ready soon!

      H: I had a rough day on the job. (looks around) Where's that bloody son of yours?

      E: Just whitewashing a new coat on our lovely new picket fence.

      Scene ends with awkward laughter.

      Nuclear family of the old US. I am ready to expect this or the alternative. Killy Willy returns?

      I want to see Captain Swan white pickett fence life too, but Hook fighting Pirates would be so awesome. We got a taste of it when he fought Blackbeard but I want to see more

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    • I'm up for a bit of swashbuckling as well. and maybe even have David and Killian fighting side by side.  Of course, during the fight, you'll have have the usual unrelated conversation:

      David (running a pirate through): How are things going with you and my daughter?

      Killian (parrying a pair of swordfighters): Great, mate. she's finally shown me what Netflix is. By the way...?

      David (performing a spin move, then slicing a pirate in the side): yes?

      Killian (grabbing and disarming another pirate with his hook): I've been meaning to talk to you about Emma. 

      David (Skewring another pirate, falling on his back, and flipping the skewered pirate into the 3 behind him): Go on...

      Killian (with a kick move to send a pirate over the railing of the boat): I would like to ask Emma for her hand in Marriage, with your permission.

      Fighting continues, David's response is drowned out by the screaming of a pirate as he gets run through.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I'm up for a bit of swashbuckling as well. and maybe even have David and Killian fighting side by side.  Of course, during the fight, you'll have have the usual unrelated conversation:

      David (running a pirate through): How are things going with you and my daughter?

      Killian (parrying a pair of swordfighters): Great, mate. she's finally shown me what Netflix is. By the way...?

      David (performing a spin move, then slicing a pirate in the side): yes?

      Killian (grabbing and disarming another pirate with his hook): I've been meaning to talk to you about Emma. 

      David (Skewring another pirate, falling on his back, and flipping the skewered pirate into the 3 behind him): Go on...

      Killian (with a kick move to send a pirate over the railing of the boat): I would like to ask Emma for her hand in Marriage, with your permission.

      Fighting continues, David's response is drowned out by the screaming of a pirate as he gets run through.

      That would be perfenct, nothing says I love your daughter more than fighting off pirates

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    • Oh gosh, my hatred against the pirate is now even stronger than before. XD AS long as Hook is the only pirate that gets run through. Ridiculuous how "lucky" he is. It's like the Gods coughAdamEddycough shone their favor upon him and kept his alive. You know what they say, "The grass is greener on the other side."

      Speaking of green, I hope that Zelena gets a major role this upcoming season. She's morphed into a quasi-Rumple, quasi-Regina character and she's by far the most successful character coming out of season 5. I think while she'll have scenes with the baby and Regina, I'd hope she'd backslide as she does because you don't live about ~36 years doing evil things, I'm sorry, wicked things to change in a millisecond. Zelena is one of the more intelligent villains, always with a plan. Even if she was willing to accept a nice quiet life, I think there should be some part of her wanting more. Maybe give her a side villain and um, let her be Mayor of Storybrooke, or something where she gets the love of the people. I mean, everyone hates her, everywhere. We've got to fix that!

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    • Personally, I feel like Zelena just had a major role in 5B and I could use a little break from her xD She got a romantic storyline, a family storyline, a final heroic act, and is now on redemption road. I wouldn't have predict all of that going into the arc and she came out with the most development/significant moments out of everyone. I /am/ interested in seeing how she's going to approach being a regular citizen of Storybrooke though - if that's her plan. Even though I can only take her in small doses, I do hope that they don't keep her on the show just to fill the Robin role now that all of the drama surrounding her is over. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Personally, I feel like Zelena just had a major role in 5B and I could use a little break from her xD She got a romantic storyline, a family storyline, a final heroic act, and is now on redemption road. I wouldn't have predict all of that going into the arc and she came out with the most development/significant moments out of everyone. I /am/ interested in seeing how she's going to approach being a regular citizen of Storybrooke though - if that's her plan. Even though I can only take her in small doses, I do hope that they don't keep her on the show just to fill the Robin role now that all of the drama surrounding her is over. 

      That's why I want more of her. They did an okay job and I wouldn't want her to fae into obscurity like they like to do. We lost Robin and essentially Belle and Rumple maybe sporadic. If they somehow don't replace that time with more Zel-I mean character development, then hope is lost. I don't need Emma to not learn real lessons and stay in her stagnant state. I don't need Hook to be continually angsty and hard on himself in his stagnant state. And I surely don't need hypocritical, somehow still evil Regina doing contradictory and nonsensical things because her character arc is already set in stone "We need both parts of ourselves". I mean, who doesn't see that from a mile away?

      That's why Zelena holds nice promise as everyone else is pretty much a static board. Aka this show is practically done. If Emma and Hook were engaged and Rumple  somehow freed Belle and chose to travel the world, you could essentially see that the show could have ended with the 5b finale, XD

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    • Actually, I'm thinking the door may be open to have more of other characters than Regina, Rumple and Emma. Rumple, as was pointed out, is involved less and less it seems, and that is not necessarily a bad thing (particularly given the poor and random development he's gotten the past couple of seasons). Possibly due to Robert being involved with his own projects now.

      Similarly, JMo seems to be getting ready to deal with her own production company, which if that takes off will likely limit her time for Once. 

      Maybe it is time to start the shuffle of focus characters to a new set, while still leaving the current mains available. I mean, Snow and David have a child to raise, and they could easily be shifted to the background to do just that, but still be there to be called upon if the story warrants an extra bandit or knight (or sheriff's deputy).  same with some of the others. Shift focus to mainly Regina and Emma (those 2 will be around a while at least), Henry, Killian, and Zelena, and bring in new blood (which seems to be possible now with the LUS and the whole telling of untold stories).

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    • abc season six story line up jekyll and hyde the nutcracker fredick douglas the phatom of the opera  civil war genres funny story on how violets father ended in  camelot episode titles so far hydes triumph,  the soliders secret, the music of the night, stoory brooke christmas, the trap soul the stone of shadow, the eclipse, escape the hospital, the posion rose, awaken, end the story parts 1,2  this is still unconfirmed but rather the basic line i pulled 

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    • Lana said that aside from Hyde, we may see new and old villains rising. She said: "In Season 6, I think we are going to see some new villains, and some old villains are going to resurface and surprise us in ways that we weren't expecting."


      Who knows what the other new villains might be. Maybe the Black Fairy might be one of them. Hyde's assistant might come because he is loyal to him.

      And with that, she hinted that we might see other old villains resurfacing in an unexpected way. The Evil Queen definately. And ther is no doubt that she will try to make Regina or Emma suffer. She probably would kill one or two people they care. But there is also no doubt she will go after Snow again.


      Sure the Evil Queen is one of them, but there are always others who we seen already and might return. Like:

      King George (still ruthless, bent on revenge on Charming and wishes to kill him and make him suffer)

      Cruella (since she was still in the underworld still determined to leave that place, and has not entered the bad places and might find a way to resurface. And the makers said we may have not seen the last of her yet.)

      Blind Witch (since she was working with Cruella, and has not entered the bad places. We may not have seen the last of her yet either.)

      Jafar (still trapped in the lamp)

      Isaac Heller (if they ever bring him back. Cause if they do, it would be great to see him killed off for good. And since he is no longer an author, he is a nothing as he always was. What could he ever do without the power of the author anyway)

      Maleficent (maybe, becuase there seems to still be a feud between her and Phillip/Aurora. But I am sure the Charmings would put an end to it).

      Lily (maybe, but most likely we might see her and the Charmings working together as good friends and allies just like in the altered world from season 4.)

      Zelena (she seems to be on the heroes side for now, but lets not expect it to last long. After all, she gloated about Dorothy in her sleeping curse, the feud may not have ended already. Maybe she will work with the evil Queen and Face Dorothy who might have arrived in Storybrooke with Snow, Red, Mulan and Toto).

      Blackbeard (he is still alive)

      The Sea Goddess Ursula (if they ever make her a villain)

      Bo Peep (possibly, cause she is still around)

      Magic Mirror/ Sydney Glass (last time we saw him, he doesn't seem to be an ally of Regina anymore. But he might work with the Evil Queen by force)

      The Caterpillar (he worked with Jafar and is kind of like Jabba the hutt, but he might return)

      Sheriff of Nottingham (maybe he might become a general for the black knights, but without Robin Hood or the merry men, he might not return except in flashbacks.)

      The Black Knights (they might still be around like the flying monkeys and the Queen might bring them to Storybrooke)

      The Flying Monkeys (they are still around as we saw in Ruby Slippers, and maybe the Queen and Zelena would summon them in Storybrooke)

      Jafar's Guards or Army of the dead might come

      King George's men might resurface (if they are still alive)

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    • Sidney should definately return as the Evil Queen's henchman again, it would be brilliant. But hopefully we'll see a handful companions from LUS as well and not too many old chars. Although George should be one of them def.

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    • season 6 is underway glad to hear it i read to all of what i pulled for abc notes and contracts can any one find the date it either going to be in sept or halloween month

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    • Furber15 wrote:
      season 6 is underway glad to hear it i read to all of what i pulled for abc notes and contracts can any one find the date it either going to be in sept or halloween month

      Season 6 will most likely start in late September. Also, "halloween month" is more commonly refered to as October.

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    • Well, whatever is in store for season 6, it would appear that (based on Brigette Hales recent tweet) the writers are circling the wagons and getting to work, so hopefully we'll start getting some juicy tidbits to sink our teeth into soon.

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    • I suppose Ruby, Dorothy, Mulan and Toto would return this season because Meghan's recent hallmark movie (Chespeake Shores) is most likely done filming by now. So maybe A&E have the opportunity to bring them back for season 6. We'll just have to wait and see.

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    • NickyHelp wrote: I suppose Ruby, Dorothy, Mulan and Toto would return this season because Meghan's recent hallmark movie (Chespeake Shores) is most likely done filming by now. So maybe A&E have the opportunity to bring them back for season 6. We'll just have to wait and see.

      I don't think they'll be back. They were just tokens, nothing more.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote: I suppose Ruby, Dorothy, Mulan and Toto would return this season because Meghan's recent hallmark movie (Chespeake Shores) is most likely done filming by now. So maybe A&E have the opportunity to bring them back for season 6. We'll just have to wait and see.

      I don't think they'll be back. They were just tokens, nothing more.

      Says you.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote: I suppose Ruby, Dorothy, Mulan and Toto would return this season because Meghan's recent hallmark movie (Chespeake Shores) is most likely done filming by now. So maybe A&E have the opportunity to bring them back for season 6. We'll just have to wait and see.

      I don't think they'll be back. They were just tokens, nothing more.

      That's why they'll more likely return (or be mentioned) than the regular townsfolk and give us a random filler episode away from the plot. XD

      Plus, we still have Mulan's story, so unless she lees them (which she should) then we'll likely see them again.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote: I suppose Ruby, Dorothy, Mulan and Toto would return this season because Meghan's recent hallmark movie (Chespeake Shores) is most likely done filming by now. So maybe A&E have the opportunity to bring them back for season 6. We'll just have to wait and see.

      I don't think they'll be back. They were just tokens, nothing more.

      Red, Mulan, and Dorothy all appear in at least two arcs. On top of that they are all fairly iconic characters. Finally, Red is one of the pilot characters; Mulan still hasn't gotten a proper backstory, nor a happy ending; and Dorothy will be relevant as long as Zelena is on the show. All that put together means they are basically the opposite of token characters, and will almost certainly be back at some point.

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    • I had a funny twist for a story. What if they made Charming as David from "David and Goliath"? I mean he was a shepherd just like David and his name is David (his real name), and maybe we might see Goliath from the untold realm. Might not happen, but that would be funny and thrilling.

      And after all, he was already two other characters aside from being Snow's prince. The Pauper from "The Prince and the Pauper", and Rapunzel's prince.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      I had a funny twist for a story. What if they made Charming as David from "David and Goliath"? I mean he was a shepherd just like David and his name is David (his real name), and maybe we might see Goliath from the untold realm. Might not happen, but that would be funny and thrilling.

      And after all, he was already two other characters aside from being Snow's prince. The Pauper from "The Prince and the Pauper", and Rapunzel's prince.

      Well, they kinda already did that with "Tiny" but it was James vs Anton

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      I had a funny twist for a story. What if they made Charming as David from "David and Goliath"? I mean he was a shepherd just like David and his name is David (his real name), and maybe we might see Goliath from the untold realm. Might not happen, but that would be funny and thrilling.

      And after all, he was already two other characters aside from being Snow's prince. The Pauper from "The Prince and the Pauper", and Rapunzel's prince.

      Well, they kinda already did that with "Tiny" but it was James vs Anton

      That was for Jack and the Beanstalk. And Charming had no history with Anton.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Gusey1397 wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      I had a funny twist for a story. What if they made Charming as David from "David and Goliath"? I mean he was a shepherd just like David and his name is David (his real name), and maybe we might see Goliath from the untold realm. Might not happen, but that would be funny and thrilling.

      And after all, he was already two other characters aside from being Snow's prince. The Pauper from "The Prince and the Pauper", and Rapunzel's prince.

      Well, they kinda already did that with "Tiny" but it was James vs Anton
      That was for Jack and the Beanstalk. And Charming had no history with Anton.

      They did drawn the parallel to David and Goliath in the Tiny episode though.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Gusey1397 wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      I had a funny twist for a story. What if they made Charming as David from "David and Goliath"? I mean he was a shepherd just like David and his name is David (his real name), and maybe we might see Goliath from the untold realm. Might not happen, but that would be funny and thrilling.

      And after all, he was already two other characters aside from being Snow's prince. The Pauper from "The Prince and the Pauper", and Rapunzel's prince.

      Well, they kinda already did that with "Tiny" but it was James vs Anton
      That was for Jack and the Beanstalk. And Charming had no history with Anton.

      They did drawn the parallel to David and Goliath in the Tiny episode though.

      Where's the info on that? Where's the proof and link?

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      I had a funny twist for a story. What if they made Charming as David from "David and Goliath"? I mean he was a shepherd just like David and his name is David (his real name), and maybe we might see Goliath from the untold realm. Might not happen, but that would be funny and thrilling.

      And after all, he was already two other characters aside from being Snow's prince. The Pauper from "The Prince and the Pauper", and Rapunzel's prince.

      They won't do David and Goliath because it is from The Bible. And they won't touch any modern day religions on the show, because then they are making a political statement that they are fictional.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      I had a funny twist for a story. What if they made Charming as David from "David and Goliath"? I mean he was a shepherd just like David and his name is David (his real name), and maybe we might see Goliath from the untold realm. Might not happen, but that would be funny and thrilling.

      And after all, he was already two other characters aside from being Snow's prince. The Pauper from "The Prince and the Pauper", and Rapunzel's prince.

      They won't do David and Goliath because it is from The Bible. And they won't touch any modern day religions on the show, because then they are making a political statement that they are fictional.

      David is already David from the bible, they did some aspects from The Book of Samuel, part 1 with King George as Kind Saul. In addition David's Grandmother was Ruth (his mother on the show). Moreover, Biblical stories are adapted by media all the time, there is no reason why OUAT wouldn't do it.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      DarKingdomHearts wrote:


      NickyHelp wrote:

      Gusey1397 wrote:


      NickyHelp wrote:
      I had a funny twist for a story. What if they made Charming as David from "David and Goliath"? I mean he was a shepherd just like David and his name is David (his real name), and maybe we might see Goliath from the untold realm. Might not happen, but that would be funny and thrilling.

      And after all, he was already two other characters aside from being Snow's prince. The Pauper from "The Prince and the Pauper", and Rapunzel's prince.

      Well, they kinda already did that with "Tiny" but it was James vs Anton
      That was for Jack and the Beanstalk. And Charming had no history with Anton.
      They did drawn the parallel to David and Goliath in the Tiny episode though.
      Where's the info on that? Where's the proof and link?


      David Nolan fights against a giant, similar to the story of David and Goliath. The episode "Tiny" is my proof and the link is wherever you watch Once

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    • Farerb wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      I had a funny twist for a story. What if they made Charming as David from "David and Goliath"? I mean he was a shepherd just like David and his name is David (his real name), and maybe we might see Goliath from the untold realm. Might not happen, but that would be funny and thrilling.

      And after all, he was already two other characters aside from being Snow's prince. The Pauper from "The Prince and the Pauper", and Rapunzel's prince.

      They won't do David and Goliath because it is from The Bible. And they won't touch any modern day religions on the show, because then they are making a political statement that they are fictional.

      David is already David from the bible, they did some aspects from The Book of Samuel, part 1 with King George as Kind Saul. In addition David's Grandmother was Ruth (his mother on the show). Moreover, Biblical stories are adapted by media all the time, there is no reason why OUAT wouldn't do it.

      I must have missed the part in the bible where David marries Snow White. XD

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      I had a funny twist for a story. What if they made Charming as David from "David and Goliath"? I mean he was a shepherd just like David and his name is David (his real name), and maybe we might see Goliath from the untold realm. Might not happen, but that would be funny and thrilling.

      And after all, he was already two other characters aside from being Snow's prince. The Pauper from "The Prince and the Pauper", and Rapunzel's prince.

      They won't do David and Goliath because it is from The Bible. And they won't touch any modern day religions on the show, because then they are making a political statement that they are fictional.

      David is already David from the bible, they did some aspects from The Book of Samuel, part 1 with King George as Kind Saul. In addition David's Grandmother was Ruth (his mother on the show). Moreover, Biblical stories are adapted by media all the time, there is no reason why OUAT wouldn't do it.

      I must have missed the part in the bible where David marries Snow White. XD

      No, you just missed the part where the Crocodile from Peter Pan is also the Beast and the Miller's daughter is also the Queen of Hearts and as far as I remember these weren't a part of the original stories.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      NickyHelp wrote:
      I had a funny twist for a story. What if they made Charming as David from "David and Goliath"? I mean he was a shepherd just like David and his name is David (his real name), and maybe we might see Goliath from the untold realm. Might not happen, but that would be funny and thrilling.

      And after all, he was already two other characters aside from being Snow's prince. The Pauper from "The Prince and the Pauper", and Rapunzel's prince.

      They won't do David and Goliath because it is from The Bible. And they won't touch any modern day religions on the show, because then they are making a political statement that they are fictional.
      David is already David from the bible, they did some aspects from The Book of Samuel, part 1 with King George as Kind Saul. In addition David's Grandmother was Ruth (his mother on the show).

      Moreover, Biblical stories are adapted by media all the time, there is no reason why OUAT wouldn't do it.

      I must have missed the part in the bible where David marries Snow White. XD

      No, you just missed the part where the Crocodile from Peter Pan is also the Beast and the Miller's daughter is also the Queen of Hearts and as far as I remember these weren't a part of the original stories.

      I still don't think we can consider Once's David to be Biblical David, just because his mother also has a biblical name, and he shares like one or two similarities with Biblical David. Did the writers intend for you to think of Biblical David in certain spots? Possibly. But did they want him to outright be, or even heavily allude to, Biblical David? Doubtful.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      I had a funny twist for a story. What if they made Charming as David from "David and Goliath"? I mean he was a shepherd just like David and his name is David (his real name), and maybe we might see Goliath from the untold realm. Might not happen, but that would be funny and thrilling.

      And after all, he was already two other characters aside from being Snow's prince. The Pauper from "The Prince and the Pauper", and Rapunzel's prince.

      They won't do David and Goliath because it is from The Bible. And they won't touch any modern day religions on the show, because then they are making a political statement that they are fictional.

      David is already David from the bible, they did some aspects from The Book of Samuel, part 1 with King George as Kind Saul. In addition David's Grandmother was Ruth (his mother on the show). Moreover, Biblical stories are adapted by media all the time, there is no reason why OUAT wouldn't do it.

      I must have missed the part in the bible where David marries Snow White. XD

      No, you just missed the part where the Crocodile from Peter Pan is also the Beast and the Miller's daughter is also the Queen of Hearts and as far as I remember these weren't a part of the original stories.

      Both were shepherds, both were persecuted by a king, both replaced that king. The similarities are there whether you want to see them or not. The names are not a coincidence.

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    • It seems that we will have 22 episodes this coming season.

      https://twitter.com/OnceUponAFan/status/741740490786103296

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    • Everthevillain wrote:
      S6 will be a whole arc :D

      https://twitter.com/MarcSnetiker/status/741744497906749440

      Oh God finally some good news xD

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    • Am I the only one who doesn't think there'll be a mental hospital arc at all? That was probably just what they told the press so that the fans didn't guess Jekyll and Hyde based on the casting calls. Like when they said they were casting Rumple's mother but it was really just Merida; they'll lie to keep their plans secret. A mental hospital arc just wouldn't fit in with the show, and also they confirmed after the S5 finale that S6 will be primarily set in Storybrooke, so we can assume what they said later trumps what was said before.

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    • Boobfairy wrote:
      Am I the only one who doesn't think there'll be a mental hospital arc at all? That was probably just what they told the press so that the fans didn't guess Jekyll and Hyde based on the casting calls. Like when they said they were casting Rumple's mother but it was really just Merida; they'll lie to keep their plans secret. A mental hospital arc just wouldn't fit in with the show, and also they confirmed after the S5 finale that S6 will be primarily set in Storybrooke, so we can assume what they said later trumps what was said before.

      We don't know what stories they have in their store right now. So we may see a story about mental hospital. But you're right, it will probably not take place the whole season.

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    • http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/11/once-upon-time-new-format-season-6

      Guess we can just call this the Season 6 arc now.

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    • Yay, I am happy that Hyde will be around for most of the season :)

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    • Maybe Hyde will be a regular? :)

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    • Everthevillain wrote: Maybe Hyde will be a regular? :)

      I thought they said he and Jeckyll will be recurring characters.

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    • Everthevillain wrote:
      Maybe Hyde will be a regular? :)

      Nope. Nothing even says that he'll be around for most of the season either. He'll likely do so, but it may just be 11 and not 12 episodes, or he could simply be recurring. Look at Cora, season 2, not a regular by any means.

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    • Maybe Lily's quest for her father maybe the mid-season finale while the heroes battle Hyde until the season finale

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    • I read that Rose McIver says that there are plans for her to return this season when the season finale of iZombe is done. I found a image message of it on twitter, but I can't find the link.

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    • Nevermind. Found the link. Enjoy.

      http://mindyourhelm.tumblr.com/post/145805041162

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    • Tinkerbell returning would be refreshing, if what that tumblr post says is accurate.

      And the Single arc news is the most exciting of the summer so far.

      Another thing that I heard is that the stories this season will give the audience fresh ways to look at the characters. Now, I'm not sure what that means exactly, other than they are planning on some character development. so, YAY!

      And one prediction I will make (don't ask for a link, this is strictly my opinion) is that by the end of season 6, one or 2 of the current main characters will be put in a position to be set aside (but NOT killed), and one or 2 of the introduced new characters will become regulars for season 7 (and yes, I am also predicting a season 7). and I will predict that one of the new characters will be Jekyll/Hyde. (Not sure which one, because I'm not sure which one will be the dominant personality in the end).

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    • There have been suggestions that The Dragon could be Lily's father. But now I am not so sure if it is true. Just recently I read from this link that from a conversation, V Mortensen (Aragorn from Lord of the Rings) is one of the choices. http://www.fanforum.com/f15/ouat-s-s-412-despite-what-you-may-think-darkness-not-easy-snuff-out-you-might-believe-%7Ehyde-63172396/index14.html

      What do you think?

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      There have been suggestions that The Dragon could be Lily's father. But now I am not so sure if it is true. Just recently I read from this link that from a conversation, V Mortensen (Aragorn from Lord of the Rings) is one of the choices.

      http://www.fanforum.com/f15/ouat-s-s-412-despite-what-you-may-think-darkness-not-easy-snuff-out-you-might-believe-%7Ehyde-63172396/index14.html

      What do you think?

      Well, none of us know who Lily's father is yet. So, if the writers can get Agnes back then I'm sure they'll cast properly.

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    • Gusey1397 wrote: We are getting Sinbad and Scheherazade

      http://tvline.com/2016/06/24/once-upon-a-time-sinbad-scheherezade-casting-season-6/

      LOL. Those are Aladdin and Jasmine. They probably don't want to reveal that yet.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      Gusey1397 wrote: We are getting Sinbad and Scheherazade

      http://tvline.com/2016/06/24/once-upon-a-time-sinbad-scheherezade-casting-season-6/

      LOL. Those are Aladdin and Jasmine. They probably don't want to reveal that yet.

      How is it LOL? We kinda got our Aladdin with OUATIW. Plus they are real characters <<

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      Gusey1397 wrote: We are getting Sinbad and Scheherazade

      http://tvline.com/2016/06/24/once-upon-a-time-sinbad-scheherezade-casting-season-6/

      LOL. Those are Aladdin and Jasmine. They probably don't want to reveal that yet.

      How is it LOL? We kinda got our Aladdin with OUATIW. Plus they are real characters <<

      Except they are Alice from Alice in Wonderland and the genie (at least one of them).
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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      Gusey1397 wrote: We are getting Sinbad and Scheherazade

      http://tvline.com/2016/06/24/once-upon-a-time-sinbad-scheherezade-casting-season-6/

      LOL. Those are Aladdin and Jasmine. They probably don't want to reveal that yet.
      How is it LOL? We kinda got our Aladdin with OUATIW. Plus they are real characters <<
      Except they are Alice from Alice in Wonderland and the genie (at least one of them).

      Since when they need to give the EXACT name to adapt a character? I mean, just look at Rumple.

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      We are getting Sinbad and Scheherazade

      http://tvline.com/2016/06/24/once-upon-a-time-sinbad-scheherezade-casting-season-6/

      I'm going to agree with Farerb and say they are Aladdin and Jasmine casting calls. If you read the descriptions of the characters they sound more like Aladdin and Jasmine than Sinbad and Scheherazade.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      Gusey1397 wrote: We are getting Sinbad and Scheherazade

      http://tvline.com/2016/06/24/once-upon-a-time-sinbad-scheherezade-casting-season-6/

      LOL. Those are Aladdin and Jasmine. They probably don't want to reveal that yet.
      How is it LOL? We kinda got our Aladdin with OUATIW. Plus they are real characters <<
      Except they are Alice from Alice in Wonderland and the genie (at least one of them).

      Since when they need to give the EXACT name to adapt a character? I mean, just look at Rumple.

      Well they covered the identity of Merida, Zeus, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. So probably they are doing the same thing with those two. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      Well they covered the identity of Merida, Zeus, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. So probably they are doing the same thing with those two. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

      Yeah they covered their names, but never with names of real well-known characters.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      Gusey1397 wrote: We are getting Sinbad and Scheherazade

      http://tvline.com/2016/06/24/once-upon-a-time-sinbad-scheherezade-casting-season-6/

      LOL. Those are Aladdin and Jasmine. They probably don't want to reveal that yet.

      I don't think they're going to do that. We've had Jafar whi is now trapped (and not everyone has seen Wonderland), Sidney has already represented enough of the genie in Once as well. Just accept that Once is going to adapt the good tales of 1001 Nights

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    • no maybe they have the genie but he can bring back the dead hopefully so we get neil and robin back id love a love dilemma with emma killian and Neil

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    • Will any of the untold stories on Once Upon a Time hold a connection to any of the characters? — lennyukpirate1 That’s TBD, but the arrival of characters from the Land of Untold stories will certainly affect those in Storybrooke. “The condition of life in Storybrooke is very important,” EP Adam Horowitz says. “Hyde’s arrival impacts that. We’re planning to explore a lot of what that’s going to mean for the day-to-day life in Storybrooke.” Adds EP Edward Kitsis: “One of the things that we really want to get back to this year is that season 1 and 2 vibe of small town stories, being in Storybrooke and getting back to Mary Margaret as the teacher, Emma as the sheriff, Grumpy as the janitor.”

      http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/24/spoiler-room-quantico-game-thrones-outlander-spoilers

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    • Mtsjin08 wrote:
      no maybe they have the genie but he can bring back the dead hopefully so we get neil and robin back id love a love dilemma with emma killian and Neil

      Genies cannot kill anyone, made people fall in love, and resurrect the dead.

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    • dr hopper as the head doctor in the mental hospital

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    • Farerb wrote:

      Gusey1397 wrote: We are getting Sinbad and Scheherazade

      http://tvline.com/2016/06/24/once-upon-a-time-sinbad-scheherezade-casting-season-6/

      LOL. Those are Aladdin and Jasmine. They probably don't want to reveal that yet.

      I actually agree with @Farerb.... Sinbad and Scheherazade are probably the codenames for Aladdin and Jasmine. Aladdin: The Animated Series even had an episode, where Jasmine told a different story each night to keep a king from loosing his temper.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      Gusey1397 wrote: We are getting Sinbad and Scheherazade

      http://tvline.com/2016/06/24/once-upon-a-time-sinbad-scheherezade-casting-season-6/

      LOL. Those are Aladdin and Jasmine. They probably don't want to reveal that yet.

      I actually agree with @Farerb.... Sinbad and Scheherazade are probably the codenames for Aladdin and Jasmine. Aladdin: The Animated Series even had an episode, where Jasmine told a different story each night to keep a king from loosing his temper.

      Oh yeah, I remember that episode.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Farerb wrote:

      Gusey1397 wrote: We are getting Sinbad and Scheherazade

      http://tvline.com/2016/06/24/once-upon-a-time-sinbad-scheherezade-casting-season-6/

      LOL. Those are Aladdin and Jasmine. They probably don't want to reveal that yet.
      I actually agree with @Farerb.... Sinbad and Scheherazade are probably the codenames for Aladdin and Jasmine. Aladdin: The Animated Series even had an episode, where Jasmine told a different story each night to keep a king from loosing his temper.

      So because there was an episode that parallelled the original tale it has to be Jasmine & Aladdin?

      I honestly think that it are Sheherazade and Sinbad, if they were going to use those Jasmine & Aladdin they would've used other nicknames instead of characters that people genuinly want to see.

      Besides those two would work very well as LUS characters

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    • I actually want the Evil Queen to end up being the main villain of this arc.

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    • i think if morpheus and the arabian knight characters are in this season it might have something to do with making dreams come true 

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    • sinbad the prince of presia and the angel yeah okay everyone pay attention to my previous comments they r correct their where be two new song in the season as well

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    • You know if they put in some other new characters on the show (like Tarzan, Clayton and Shan Yu), it would be funny if they look like these:

      Tarzan

      Clayton

      Shan Yu

      That would be funny. Of course it might never happen. But it would be so cool.

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    • I might be way off here, but the dark secret in Charmings past, does anyone else think it might have something to do with the Count of Monte Cristo?

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    • Jesus...

      More "dark secrets"???....


      These guys have a dark secret every half season! 

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    • No, the dark secret for Charming seems different. It was teased that he will learn something that was not true what he believed which will affect his relationships with some people.

      They also teased that Hook had a dark secret which will affect his relationshops, and some people believed that it might have something to do about Charming's father and where he might get involved. None was confirmed, but it seems close enough until then.

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    • What? Hook has yet another secret????

      o.O

      No wonder why Dr. Jiminy is in town. This family have serious issues

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    • Well, to add to the serious family issues, it would seem in the latest EW spoilerish post (link here ) that David gets to explore his past some more (already speculated some above).  Here's the snip from the linked article:

      “Charming has always had questions about his family and his father that he thought were answered,” EP Adam Horowitz says. “Charming’s past becomes something very important to his future. We’re going to see him and Snow embarking on some adventure related to that past, and what that’s going to create for them moving forward, which is some unexpected obstacles to that happy ending they’re all trying to live.”

      Guess we may finally get to meet Papa Charming?

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    • I will say that it's an unnecessary retcon (in other words, a vaguely, unimportant part now to be expanded upon). Charming's dad could have been a nobody who was a drunk and died. That's it. There's nothing else to it. If Papa Charming is the Bravest Knight that ever could (and somehow outlived that accident), I'll cringe.

      David's past isn't even close to the most intriguing thing about him which isn't saying much as he's bland toast. It's like---Oh my, Lookey here, Hook stumbled across his father in a very contrived way! What this? David's going to look for macguffin and ---Wha??? His father? What do you know? Small world! (Sarcasm just oozes off my example here.)

      Adam says it best. "Charming has always had questions about his family (etc) that he thought were answered." Yep, it should stay that way. I don;t need to know that David mastered swordsmanship in a day from a princess and I definitely don't need backstory on a parent who's not relevant.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      I will say that it's an unnecessary retcon (in other words, a vaguely, unimportant part now to be expanded upon). Charming's dad could have been a nobody who was a drunk and died. That's it. There's nothing else to it. If Papa Charming is the Bravest Knight that ever could (and somehow outlived that accident), I'll cringe.

      David's past isn't even close to the most intriguing thing about him which isn't saying much as he's bland toast. It's like---Oh my, Lookey here, Hook stumbled across his father in a very contrived way! What this? David's going to look for macguffin and ---Wha??? His father? What do you know? Small world! (Sarcasm just oozes off my example here.)

      Adam says it best. "Charming has always had questions about his family (etc) that he thought were answered." Yep, it should stay that way. I don;t need to know that David mastered swordsmanship in a day from a princess and I definitely don't need backstory on a parent who's not relevant.

      Their rule of thumb seems to be if we only heard about it, but never actually saw it, then there's the possibility that it's not entirely true. You can't always trust word of mouth on this show. Some people lie, or they're misled to believe something else. Often times these are blatant retcons, while other times they're planned in advanced.  

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    • ItachiIshtar wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      I will say that it's an unnecessary retcon (in other words, a vaguely, unimportant part now to be expanded upon). Charming's dad could have been a nobody who was a drunk and died. That's it. There's nothing else to it. If Papa Charming is the Bravest Knight that ever could (and somehow outlived that accident), I'll cringe.

      David's past isn't even close to the most intriguing thing about him which isn't saying much as he's bland toast. It's like---Oh my, Lookey here, Hook stumbled across his father in a very contrived way! What this? David's going to look for macguffin and ---Wha??? His father? What do you know? Small world! (Sarcasm just oozes off my example here.)

      Adam says it best. "Charming has always had questions about his family (etc) that he thought were answered." Yep, it should stay that way. I don;t need to know that David mastered swordsmanship in a day from a princess and I definitely don't need backstory on a parent who's not relevant.

      Their rule of thumb seems to be if we only heard about it, but never actually saw it, then there's the possibility that it's not entirely true. You can't always trust word of mouth on this show. Some people lie, or they're misled to believe something else. Often times these are blatant retcons, while other times they're planned in advanced.  

      Which I say shouldn't be the case. Every other show, "Believe unless shown/told otherwise", this show, "Lies. All lies!" XD

      It's more of the fact that the writers try to leave some things vague so they can squeeze certain things into places without much difficulty. Nevertheless, I still think this beats macguffin chasing, but the questioned to be asked is "Why should we care?" Charming has become ultra-bland and I don't think chasing this plot of "Papa?" is the right way to go. Plus, I don't think I've seen fans clamoring for David's dad before or after "White Out." Then again, I'm probably burned out by Hook's father reveal which was okay until they jumped ship and my suspension of disbelief.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Well, to add to the serious family issues, it would seem in the latest EW spoilerish post (link here ) that David gets to explore his past some more (already speculated some above).  Here's the snip from the linked article:

      “Charming has always had questions about his family and his father that he thought were answered,” EP Adam Horowitz says. “Charming’s past becomes something very important to his future. We’re going to see him and Snow embarking on some adventure related to that past, and what that’s going to create for them moving forward, which is some unexpected obstacles to that happy ending they’re all trying to live.”

      Guess we may finally get to meet Papa Charming?

      Good, it's about time we finish showing the main cast's parents. If we get Charming's dad, that means we only need Rumple's mom and Hook's mom, and we will have seen all the main cast's parents. As far as who Charming's father is: they haven't really explained how the LOUS works yet, except that it puts people's stories on pause, if that means actually freezing the people in time, could The Count of Monte Cristo be Charming's father? Out of all the new cast revealed, he seems the most likely. Also, he fights with Snow and Charming, but that could be explained by he is being controlled by Serum Queen, or he simply doesn't realized Charming is his son. Remember Charming was quite young when his father "died", so it is possible he won't recognize him, especially if he would assume his son would be older (which he would be, had it not been for the 28 years Charming was frozen in time due to Regina's Dark Curse).

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Well, to add to the serious family issues, it would seem in the latest EW spoilerish post (link here ) that David gets to explore his past some more (already speculated some above).  Here's the snip from the linked article:

      “Charming has always had questions about his family and his father that he thought were answered,” EP Adam Horowitz says. “Charming’s past becomes something very important to his future. We’re going to see him and Snow embarking on some adventure related to that past, and what that’s going to create for them moving forward, which is some unexpected obstacles to that happy ending they’re all trying to live.”

      Guess we may finally get to meet Papa Charming?

      Good, it's about time we finish showing the main cast's parents. If we get Charming's dad, that means we only need Rumple's mom and Hook's mom, and we will have seen all the main cast's parents. As far as who Charming's father is: they haven't really explained how the LOUS works yet, except that it puts people's stories on pause, if that means actually freezing the people in time, could The Count of Monte Cristo be Charming's father? Out of all the new cast revealed, he seems the most likely. Also, he fights with Snow and Charming, but that could be explained by he is being controlled by Serum Queen, or he simply doesn't realized Charming is his son. Remember Charming was quite young when his father "died", so it is possible he won't recognize him, especially if he would assume his son would be older (which he would be, had it not been for the 28 years Charming was frozen in time due to Regina's Dark Curse).

      Logic fail? CMC is clearly around 30, as is Charming. Charming wasn't frozen until he was 28, thus his father will still be 30 years older than him:28 + 30 is 58. In brevity, CMC has to be frozen not David. Anyhow, there most likely not related unless the Count stopped aging when Charming was a kid, which I doubt.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Well, to add to the serious family issues, it would seem in the latest EW spoilerish post (link here ) that David gets to explore his past some more (already speculated some above).  Here's the snip from the linked article:

      “Charming has always had questions about his family and his father that he thought were answered,” EP Adam Horowitz says. “Charming’s past becomes something very important to his future. We’re going to see him and Snow embarking on some adventure related to that past, and what that’s going to create for them moving forward, which is some unexpected obstacles to that happy ending they’re all trying to live.”

      Guess we may finally get to meet Papa Charming?

      Good, it's about time we finish showing the main cast's parents. If we get Charming's dad, that means we only need Rumple's mom and Hook's mom, and we will have seen all the main cast's parents. As far as who Charming's father is: they haven't really explained how the LOUS works yet, except that it puts people's stories on pause, if that means actually freezing the people in time, could The Count of Monte Cristo be Charming's father? Out of all the new cast revealed, he seems the most likely. Also, he fights with Snow and Charming, but that could be explained by he is being controlled by Serum Queen, or he simply doesn't realized Charming is his son. Remember Charming was quite young when his father "died", so it is possible he won't recognize him, especially if he would assume his son would be older (which he would be, had it not been for the 28 years Charming was frozen in time due to Regina's Dark Curse).
      Logic fail? CMC is clearly around 30, as is Charming. Charming wasn't frozen until he was 28, thus his father will still be 30 years older than him:28 + 30 is 58. In brevity, CMC has to be frozen not David. Anyhow, there most likely not related unless the Count stopped aging when Charming was a kid, which I doubt.

      He might have been under a sleeping curse and some stranger woke him up. This is a show that when the writers want something to happen, it will happen. Logic be damned.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Well, to add to the serious family issues, it would seem in the latest EW spoilerish post (link here ) that David gets to explore his past some more (already speculated some above).  Here's the snip from the linked article:

      “Charming has always had questions about his family and his father that he thought were answered,” EP Adam Horowitz says. “Charming’s past becomes something very important to his future. We’re going to see him and Snow embarking on some adventure related to that past, and what that’s going to create for them moving forward, which is some unexpected obstacles to that happy ending they’re all trying to live.”

      Guess we may finally get to meet Papa Charming?

      Good, it's about time we finish showing the main cast's parents. If we get Charming's dad, that means we only need Rumple's mom and Hook's mom, and we will have seen all the main cast's parents. As far as who Charming's father is: they haven't really explained how the LOUS works yet, except that it puts people's stories on pause, if that means actually freezing the people in time, could The Count of Monte Cristo be Charming's father? Out of all the new cast revealed, he seems the most likely. Also, he fights with Snow and Charming, but that could be explained by he is being controlled by Serum Queen, or he simply doesn't realized Charming is his son. Remember Charming was quite young when his father "died", so it is possible he won't recognize him, especially if he would assume his son would be older (which he would be, had it not been for the 28 years Charming was frozen in time due to Regina's Dark Curse).
      Logic fail? CMC is clearly around 30, as is Charming. Charming wasn't frozen until he was 28, thus his father will still be 30 years older than him:28 + 30 is 58. In brevity, CMC has to be frozen not David. Anyhow, there most likely not related unless the Count stopped aging when Charming was a kid, which I doubt.

      Did you read what I wrote? Maybe the LOUS freezes people in time. Adam and Eddy have said it is a place characters go to pause their stories. Pause is an interesting word to use. Therefore, if Charming's father went there when Charming thought he "died", he would only be around Charming's current age, which appears to be the age we see the Count at.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Well, to add to the serious family issues, it would seem in the latest EW spoilerish post (link here ) that David gets to explore his past some more (already speculated some above).  Here's the snip from the linked article:

      “Charming has always had questions about his family and his father that he thought were answered,” EP Adam Horowitz says. “Charming’s past becomes something very important to his future. We’re going to see him and Snow embarking on some adventure related to that past, and what that’s going to create for them moving forward, which is some unexpected obstacles to that happy ending they’re all trying to live.”

      Guess we may finally get to meet Papa Charming?

      Good, it's about time we finish showing the main cast's parents. If we get Charming's dad, that means we only need Rumple's mom and Hook's mom, and we will have seen all the main cast's parents. As far as who Charming's father is: they haven't really explained how the LOUS works yet, except that it puts people's stories on pause, if that means actually freezing the people in time, could The Count of Monte Cristo be Charming's father? Out of all the new cast revealed, he seems the most likely. Also, he fights with Snow and Charming, but that could be explained by he is being controlled by Serum Queen, or he simply doesn't realized Charming is his son. Remember Charming was quite young when his father "died", so it is possible he won't recognize him, especially if he would assume his son would be older (which he would be, had it not been for the 28 years Charming was frozen in time due to Regina's Dark Curse).
      Logic fail? CMC is clearly around 30, as is Charming. Charming wasn't frozen until he was 28, thus his father will still be 30 years older than him:28 + 30 is 58. In brevity, CMC has to be frozen not David. Anyhow, there most likely not related unless the Count stopped aging when Charming was a kid, which I doubt.
      He might have been under a sleeping curse and some stranger woke him up. This is a show that when the writers want something to happen, it will happen. Logic be damned.

      I mean the writers will have some internal logic as to why it can happen, but you are otherwise correct. If they want Charming and his father to be the same age in present day, they will find a reason to make it happen, even if the reason is odd (like with Brennan Jones, even I will admit the reasoning behind him still being alive was a bit silly).

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    • As a young boy, David overhears his parents quarreling, for the umpteenth time, about his father's drinking problems. This time, his father expresses a sincere desire to change for his son's sake, promising that by the time he returns from a two week run to haul farm supplies, that his alcohol dependency would be gone. Pleased, David looks forward to the fourteenth day when his father will finally return home. Tragically, he and his mother are notified that his father, although sober for thirteen days, became drunk at a tavern on the fourteenth day and died after falling into a ravine. The death has a significant influence on David, who understands how much his father wanted to change but ultimately could not, as he begins to believe some battles simply cannot be beaten. ("White Out")

      This is what displayed on White Out. As we remember the writers did manage to preserve the established Brennan Jones' past when it was first told in And Straight On Til Morning. So I think the writers will likely keep the Charming's daddy story the same.

      What we already knew:

      - They found daddy's body

      - He had quarrel with Ruth

      - He had been sober for 13 days, but suddenly drunk in the 14th day, for which David think that his father was weak and cannot change.

      But what if his death was some kind of murder plot by Rumplestiltskin or King George or someone else? It isn't neccessary for him to be alive and reunited with Charming like Hook's situation. Maybe Charming realized that his father's death wasn't like he thought, then their lives will be upside down.

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    • To add to the discussion, most of the 'retcons' have not changed any established facts, though there have been a couple that did alter what we thought we know. They have either filled in gaps that were previously unknown, or provided additional detail that is not contradictory to what had already been revealed.

      And this show is 'believe what they say until shown otherwise', just like any show. It's just  we have a strong user base here with a heavy dose of cynicism, and most of them must be from Missouri (the 'Show Me' State for those that don't understand the reference). Now, with Brennan Jones, I think they stretched reality beyond it's limits, and I was not sold on that story. But that was, in my opinion, clearly an exception and not the rule.

      I'm not necessarily sold on the idea of finding out more about David's father, but then again, since we don't know ALL the details (apparantly) there may be something of interest in the missing details. And given the story telling abilities, I'm willing to see where the story takes us. I usually get at least a good dose of entertainment from the story.

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    • Wicked Wizard of the West wrote:
      As a young boy, David overhears his parents quarreling, for the umpteenth time, about his father's drinking problems. This time, his father expresses a sincere desire to change for his son's sake, promising that by the time he returns from a two week run to haul farm supplies, that his alcohol dependency would be gone. Pleased, David looks forward to the fourteenth day when his father will finally return home. Tragically, he and his mother are notified that his father, although sober for thirteen days, became drunk at a tavern on the fourteenth day and died after falling into a ravine. The death has a significant influence on David, who understands how much his father wanted to change but ultimately could not, as he begins to believe some battles simply cannot be beaten. ("White Out")
      This is what displayed on White Out. As we remember the writers did manage to preserve the established Brennan Jones' past when it was first told in And Straight On Til Morning. So I think the writers will likely keep the Charming's daddy story the same.

      What we already knew:

      - They found daddy's body

      - He had quarrel with Ruth

      - He had been sober for 13 days, but suddenly drunk in the 14th day, for which David think that his father was weak and cannot change.

      But what if his death was some kind of murder plot by Rumplestiltskin or King George or someone else? It isn't neccessary for him to be alive and reunited with Charming like Hook's situation. Maybe Charming realized that his father's death wasn't like he thought, then their lives will be upside down.


      We also know one other thing about his father. Back in "The Shepherd", Ruth mentions that he regretted the decision to give up James the minute Rumple took him away, and that he carried the guilt to his grave. Putting two and two together, I would guess that the guilt was what drove his alcoholism.

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    • What if Hook is papa Charming?

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      What if Hook is papa Charming?

      Except that Charming said he remembers his father, and would have recognized Hook. Not to mention, Hook was still busy being a pirate with his crew at the time, searching for a way to kill Rumple. I also can't see them breaking up Captain Swan via making Hook Emma's grandfather. 

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    • ItachiIshtar wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      What if Hook is papa Charming?
      Except that Charming said he remembers his father, and would have recognized Hook. Not to mention, Hook was still busy being a pirate with his crew at the time, searching for a way to kill Rumple. I also can't see them breaking up Captain Swan via making Hook Emma's grandfather. 

      I made this joke scene on another thread somewhere, but it's so funny I'm going to make it again, since it pertains to what is being discussed. Here's how the scene would go:

      Jafar: Savior's don't get happy endings.

      Emma: I'm getting mine.

      Jafar: Your dating your grandfather.

      Emma: [jumps off cliff]

      XD

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    • Hmm, if you're a fan of Hook and Emma and theorization is that Hook is David's father......incest, much?

      They will never go incest, plus, Where would Charming get his blondness (and Emma's) from? Snow and her parents are brunettes, lol.

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    • So if anyone's interested, it looks like one of the story editors unintentionally dropped some spoilers from the 6x08 outline. She did attempt to blur it out from the shot but you can still make out some of the lines. I can only read the first part and a bit of the first line in the second, but the gender of the Rumbelle baby is revealed and Violet will be back. https://www.instagram.com/p/BJ4sO3-AOh6/

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    • I can't see it. It seems it was taken down

      What did it say?

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    • From searching the web (and now on the wiki XD), all I've seen is someone reacting to to blurred lines of something along the lines of:

      1. Rumple's baby is a boy (?). Zelena waves a wand or something.

      2. Violet wearing a corsage (probably given by Henry). Possibly hints at a school dance.

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    • I think Rumple will name this baby Baelfire 2.0

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    • Here is it reposted from tumblr: http://tlynnwords.tumblr.com/post/149942644290/tlynnwords-i-wasnt-going-to-post-this-but-i-see

      Lines the person could read:

      "But for now, Belle’s only concern is getting the fuck out of Storybrooke with her unborn son.  Zelena waves the wand.

      INT. - GRANNY’S DINER - NIGHT

      The TINKLE of the DOOR BELL as Violet walks in, still in her dress, corsage still on her wrist."

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    • OK, maybe it's just me (and maybe I'm just really old school), but I find it difficult to believe that a script would be written with the 'F'-bomb the way this was presented.  Seeing something like this would make me question the veracity of the leak. Particularly since Once is a family show, I would hope that the writers take opportunites to refrain from dropping such bombs, even in the non-dialogue parts of the script.  But that's just me.

      That being said, I am not surprised that Belle would know the gender of her unborn child. It's not that hard to find out the gender of a child before it's born, it happens all the time. And would probably be easier with Magic. Who knows, maybe Belle got hold of Snow's charm that predicts the gender of your firstborn before you even get pregnant. Point being, knowing the gender is not that big a deal.

      And, if the leak is valid (I still have my doubts, personally), it is an encouraging sign. It means that they haven't superspeeded the pregnancy (yet), and they are also not moving time forward too quickly (