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  • Eskaver
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    00:01, April 25, 2016

    I think I found some info of Young Regina and Young Zelena.

    https://twitter.com/LovestruckEmma/status/694714942109401088

    What do you think?

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    • If it's real, it is very interesting.

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    • Maybe they crossed paths as children "looking for family"? (And it turns out they actually are, lol) That could be interesting.  If we're getting young versions of two people in the same episode, their flashbacks are probably going to relate. 

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    • Well I checked all the names and it's a definitely good fake it is fake. I mean you could hardly fake that as IMDB isn't updated with the Casting Associate and she's been also a casting director for the recent 5a casting calls. Plus, it would go with 5b being the Regina oriented one and might put something for Regina's plot as she really has nothing to do currently.

      I'd love it as we never had young Regina...or Zelena for that matter. Hmmm, I'm guessing we won't see Cora, but I'll have to live with that.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Maybe they crossed paths as children "looking for family"? (And it turns out they actually are, lol) That could be interesting.  If we're getting young versions of two people in the same episode, their flashbacks are probably going to relate. 

      Hey. Yeah, um, just a little secret though. Oz and Ef are to different worlds. Not that it can't happen, but I'm thinking it's going to be a double flashback episode to contrast how Regina's life was versus Zelena's. I think it'll make sense that they should interact as that often happens in other shows, but it would break their worldbuilding unless they keep having magic beans popping up annoying fans.

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    • I'm excited to see Young Regina and Young Zelena. It is either two seperate flashbacks, or it is not a flashback at all, and is some weird thing that takes the form of you as a child (like what they did with Alice on one of the Wonderland episodes). If it is two seperate flashbacks, they may tie them together in some way though. Like maybe Regina and Zelena will both run into the same Greek god or goddess or something (I'm assuming that a deity would be able to cross magical realms). Also, now that we know this is a Regina and Zelena episode, I'm even more sure Jane and Brigette wrote it. Finally, what does this mean for the Robin centric? Is it really close to the end of the season, or did they cut it, or is just part of either Our Decay or Ruby Slippers, because we don't really have confirmed flashbacks for either of those.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      Maybe they crossed paths as children "looking for family"? (And it turns out they actually are, lol) That could be interesting.  If we're getting young versions of two people in the same episode, their flashbacks are probably going to relate. 
      Hey. Yeah, um, just a little secret though. Oz and Ef are to different worlds. Not that it can't happen, but I'm thinking it's going to be a double flashback episode to contrast how Regina's life was versus Zelena's. I think it'll make sense that they should interact as that often happens in other shows, but it would break their worldbuilding unless they keep having magic beans popping up annoying fans.

      I mean, the description does suggest that Zelena uses magic to escape so I wouldn't rule out some realm-crossing shenanigans via tornado or something, haha.

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    • So it is real, Yay, been looking forward to young Regina for a long time

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    • It is unfortunate that they cast Nichole as young Lily and not young Regina, she would have been wonderful as young Regina.

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    • Rwo

      Hope Barbara Hershey will be back for this episode! Might it be THE Mills family reunion?

      Why don't they just call Maya Henssens to reprise her role as Young Bex from LOST? ;D XD

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    • Nicole Munoz to play a 10 years old girl? Nope, not credible x)

      And if a Cora will come back, it'll be Rose. Barbara is definitely too old to play Cora when Regina was 10.

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    • Didn't notice the 10 year old. Yeah Nichole is too old.

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    • Hmmm, but now that adds a little to the timeline since I'm thinking those flashbacks will be concurrent with each other and we finally know that Zelena is 2 years older than Regina.

      I also love how we are getting more Oz stuff in this arc than in the Oz arc. I'm personally more excited about the Zelena part, since they sort of waited forever to telll us about Regina's childhood that we sort of already headanoned what happened. Guess season 7 we will get that Chamring flashback as little David slays a giant.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Hmmm, but now that adds a little to the timeline since I'm thinking those flashbacks will be concurrent with each other and we finally know that Zelena is 2 years older than Regina.

      I don't know. This whole episode reeks of retconny plot hole, so I don't think it will add something to the timeline that is not messy.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Hmmm, but now that adds a little to the timeline since I'm thinking those flashbacks will be concurrent with each other and we finally know that Zelena is 2 years older than Regina.
      I don't know. This whole episode reeks of retconny plot hole, so I don't think it will add something to the timeline that is not messy.

      Not at all as Zelena is definitely older. Anyhow, I'm not completely sure that the casting call is true because of "reasons" and I think I saw a spelling error, but then again, I saw a spelling error on a true spoiler.

      Can't say anything is a retcon or plot hole as we know nothing about it. There's nothing bad for them to have a childhood backstory. It'll probably just establish the different ways they view their lives.

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    • Rwo

      Anyway we know since "Heart of Gold" with Robin's intrusion that Zelena was wrong in "Witch Hunt" about Rumplestiltskin being the unique same person she and Regina both crossed the path. So I bet they both met someone in common when they were younger. Hades?

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    • Rwo wrote:
      Anyway we know since "Heart of Gold" with Robin's intrusion that Zelena was wrong in "Witch Hunt" about Rumplestiltskin being the unique same person she and Regina both crossed the path. So I bet they both met someone in common when they were younger. Hades?

      Well, Zelena didn't know that Regina ran into Robin Hood.

      Anyhow, I think that would be odd. But I'm incline to believe that he did run into Zelena at least.

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    • Rwo

      Eskaver wrote:

      Rwo wrote:
      Anyway we know since "Heart of Gold" with Robin's intrusion that Zelena was wrong in "Witch Hunt" about Rumplestiltskin being the unique same person she and Regina both crossed the path. So I bet they both met someone in common when they were younger. Hades?

      Well, Zelena didn't know that Regina ran into Robin Hood.

      Anyhow, I think that would be odd. But I'm incline to believe that he did run into Zelena at least.

      Yeah, she didn't know, so she was wrong, misinformed if you prefer. ^^

      Now we need to think: we'll see the Mills daughters in their respective worlds, it seems. Why, how? What's linking them so early in their lives while they don't know yet about each other's existence? I doubt this link to be an inanimated object, so I think of a character.

      And no matter what some people might say, but there's still (or at least was) a very few people who could travel accross the realms that freely. Plus, it can't be Rumple ; Jefferson was probably too young then (nobody from Wonderland has been announced yet anyway) ; is the Apprentice (Timothy Webber) even around??

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    • Rwo wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Rwo wrote:
      Anyway we know since "Heart of Gold" with Robin's intrusion that Zelena was wrong in "Witch Hunt" about Rumplestiltskin being the unique same person she and Regina both crossed the path. So I bet they both met someone in common when they were younger. Hades?
      Well, Zelena didn't know that Regina ran into Robin Hood.

      Anyhow, I think that would be odd. But I'm incline to believe that he did run into Zelena at least.

      Yeah, she didn't know, so she was wrong, misinformed if you prefer. ^^

      Now we need to think: we'll see the Mills daughters in their respective worlds, it seems. Why, how? What's linking them so early in their lives while they don't know yet about each other's existence? I doubt this link to be an inanimated object, so I think of a character.

      And no matter what some people might say, but there's still (or at least was) a very few people who could travel accross the realms that freely. Plus, it can't be Rumple ; Jefferson was probably too young then (nobody from Wonderland has been announced yet anyway) ; is the Apprentice (Timothy Webber) even around??

      There's no need for anyone to travel worlds. It could simply be a parallel flashback comparing both of their lives.

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    • Rwo

      Eskaver wrote:

      Rwo wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Rwo wrote:
      Anyway we know since "Heart of Gold" with Robin's intrusion that Zelena was wrong in "Witch Hunt" about Rumplestiltskin being the unique same person she and Regina both crossed the path. So I bet they both met someone in common when they were younger. Hades?
      Well, Zelena didn't know that Regina ran into Robin Hood.

      Anyhow, I think that would be odd. But I'm incline to believe that he did run into Zelena at least.

      Yeah, she didn't know, so she was wrong, misinformed if you prefer. ^^

      Now we need to think: we'll see the Mills daughters in their respective worlds, it seems. Why, how? What's linking them so early in their lives while they don't know yet about each other's existence? I doubt this link to be an inanimated object, so I think of a character.

      And no matter what some people might say, but there's still (or at least was) a very few people who could travel accross the realms that freely. Plus, it can't be Rumple ; Jefferson was probably too young then (nobody from Wonderland has been announced yet anyway) ; is the Apprentice (Timothy Webber) even around??

      There's no need for anyone to travel worlds. It could simply be a parallel flashback comparing both of their lives.

      Sure but, wouldn't it be a bit pointless? Flashbacks generally teach us something new about the characters' past, and I feel this episode will need to dig out some connection between Gina and Zeze in their respective pasts to do so.

      @Lady Junky: I was also hoping for Barabara Hershey to return for some present-time scenes in the Underworld, so Cora and Zelena can meet at last! :D

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    • What if they met and Cora erased both of their memories? That's likely

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      What if they met and Cora erased both of their memories? That's likely

      Lol, people always suggest that, but I'm certain that Cora never made contact with Zelena.

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    • Rwo

      FrancisPaul wrote: What if they met and Cora erased both of their memories? That's likely

      Sounds weird. I mean, with the little we know for now, what could be the reasons? Cora would've loved to have an older and more powerful daughter, wouldn't she? That would've made Regina envious, jealous, I think. So in that logic, it would've been her who erased those memories from her and Zelena. Sounds really unlikely.

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      What if they met and Cora erased both of their memories? That's likely

      That's very likely because it's that retcon bullcrap.

      It's just like 318 and 418.

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    • Rwo wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Rwo wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:


      Rwo wrote:
      Anyway we know since "Heart of Gold" with Robin's intrusion that Zelena was wrong in "Witch Hunt" about Rumplestiltskin being the unique same person she and Regina both crossed the path. So I bet they both met someone in common when they were younger. Hades?
      Well, Zelena didn't know that Regina ran into Robin Hood.

      Anyhow, I think that would be odd. But I'm incline to believe that he did run into Zelena at least.

      Yeah, she didn't know, so she was wrong, misinformed if you prefer. ^^

      Now we need to think: we'll see the Mills daughters in their respective worlds, it seems. Why, how? What's linking them so early in their lives while they don't know yet about each other's existence? I doubt this link to be an inanimated object, so I think of a character.

      And no matter what some people might say, but there's still (or at least was) a very few people who could travel accross the realms that freely. Plus, it can't be Rumple ; Jefferson was probably too young then (nobody from Wonderland has been announced yet anyway) ; is the Apprentice (Timothy Webber) even around??

      There's no need for anyone to travel worlds. It could simply be a parallel flashback comparing both of their lives.

      Sure but, wouldn't it be a bit pointless? Flashbacks generally teach us something new about the characters' past, and I feel this episode will need to dig out some connection between Gina and Zeze in their respective pasts to do so.

      @Lady Junky: I was also hoping for Barabara Hershey to return for some present-time scenes in the Underworld, so Cora and Zelena can meet at last! :D

      Yes! I've been waiting for a Cora/Zelena meeting! What's the point of having Zelena in the underworld if she's not going to get to meet the horrible mother she was jealous over not having?! If Barbara Hershey isn't back, I'll be disappointed. 

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    • ^Good. I want Barbara Hershey, honestly. Of course the green one has to meet her.

      I think it should be a "what if" story, mostly because the erased memory stuff would be so predictable. But my best idea would be that... Regina and Zelena actually meet briefly, share a nice friendly moment without finding out they are sisters, that would be sweet. I don't think Cora would even notice the baby she had given up.

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    • Now that you've mentioned it, I'd very much LOVE an episode of "What if". 

      What if Zelena had cast the course, what if Emma never stayed etc..

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    • A young Zelena should still be with that hateful father probably somewhere far in the outskirts of Oz. We don´t really know what freedom she had there.

      So I either think it is a comparison episode where we'll see the childhood stories of Zelena and Regina. Maybe showing that Zelena always had it horrible while Regina side shows her falling in love with a young Daniel?

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    • I would imagine that it will be a comparison of the childhoods of the 2 Mill's daughters.

      And someone mentioned that Barbara Hershey might be too old for Regina's mom at this stage.  However, I think it would work.  Regina was like 17-18 in "The Stable Boy", so this is only about 7-8 years prior.  Barbara could easily pull of an appearance as Regina's mom, and in fact I would almost say that she needs to be in the episide, as does Tony Perez.

      In fact, now that I write that, this could be a comparison, not of Mothers, but of Father's. We don't know exactly when Zelena lost her adoptive Mom. but there is a stark contrast between the drunken person that raised Zelena and the loving father that we've seen in Henry Sr.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I would imagine that it will be a comparison of the childhoods of the 2 Mill's daughters.

      And someone mentioned that Barbara Hershey might be too old for Regina's mom at this stage.  However, I think it would work.  Regina was like 17-18 in "The Stable Boy", so this is only about 7-8 years prior.  Barbara could easily pull of an appearance as Regina's mom, and in fact I would almost say that she needs to be in the episide, as does Tony Perez.

      In fact, now that I write that, this could be a comparison, not of Mothers, but of Father's. We don't know exactly when Zelena lost her adoptive Mom. but there is a stark contrast between the drunken person that raised Zelena and the loving father that we've seen in Henry Sr.

      That would be interesting to see, especially if it focuses on them and the relationships with their fathers. I imagine they would use Tony Perez and Adrian Hough as the actors, as those are who we would recognize the most.

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    • The title was just revealed. It is called "Sisters".

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/695642886185099265

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      The title was just revealed. It is called "Sisters".

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/695642886185099265

      I'm shocked. I wonder whom the title is refering to...

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      The title was just revealed. It is called "Sisters".

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/695642886185099265

      Welp, not a surprising title, but okay.

      Mother, Sisters....

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    • Rwo

      Faster, Stronger...

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    • I'm guessing Jane Espenson and David H Goodman will write 520 and 521 each, order is arbitrary and A&E will write the 22-23 finale.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      The title was just revealed. It is called "Sisters".

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/695642886185099265

      I'm shocked. I wonder whom the title is refering to...

      Elsa and Anna (ROTFL)

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    • Farerb wrote:
      I'm guessing Jane Espenson and David H Goodman will write 520 and 521 each, order is arbitrary and A&E will write the 22-23 finale.

      Seems like a fair guess.

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    • Well, we know the sister stuff is true.

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    • Well at least it is clarrified that this is a Regina and Zelena episode. So Zelena is a main focus in episode 16, 19 and possibly 18. That iis good for her

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    • I'd like to see Zelena, not so much with Regina.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      I'd like to see Zelena, not so much with Regina.

      Same, although I do love Regina. I hope they finally do Zelena justice as she seems to be on the roll about getting right, yet she gets punished for it.

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    • Same as happened with Regina when she first started turning the new leaf.  I'm not necessarily hoping for full redemption for Zelena, but i would like to see Zelena and Regina reconcile with each other.

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    • Question, are they still in the underworld? Because I don't see David in a different outfit right now.

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    • Cool, but the title is lazy honestly, compared to the season 4 premiere. And, the latest pictures on Storybrooke Mirror (from twitter) should be from ep 5x18, while this is 5x19, but it looks like Ruby and Mulan have joined the Unvengers so maybe they are really sticking around for the rest of the season.

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    • I found this photo which was posted yesterday.

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BBbfzsYt5Dz/

      Was it part of the filming of Sisters?

      I ask again. Do you suppose they are still in the underworld? Cause if they are, then maybe they won't come home until episode 20 or 21. What do you think?

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      I found this photo which was posted yesterday.

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BBbfzsYt5Dz/

      Was it part of the filming of Sisters?

      I ask again. Do you suppose they are still in the underworld? Cause if they are, then maybe they won't come home until episode 20 or 21. What do you think?

      That photo is most likely from 5x18. In the group photo posted yesterday by the director of 5x18, it appears that they were still filming in the underworld version of Mary Margaret's loft. However, on one of the first days of 5x18 filming, we got BTS pics of Meghan, Josh, and Colin filming at the cemetary. YVRShoots put out some new spoiler pics today from that same day of filming, showing that Jen, Ginny, Lana, and Jared were also there. So this is pretty much the entire group of heroes (minus Robin) filming at a place where a portal back to Storybrooke might be. And since the title references magical slippers that can travel realms, I'm still thinking that they left the UW in 5x18. 

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      I found this photo which was posted yesterday.

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BBbfzsYt5Dz/

      Was it part of the filming of Sisters?

      I ask again. Do you suppose they are still in the underworld? Cause if they are, then maybe they won't come home until episode 20 or 21. What do you think?

      That photo is most likely from 5x18. In the group photo posted yesterday by the director of 5x18, it appears that they were still filming in the underworld version of Mary Margaret's loft. However, on one of the first days of 5x18 filming, we got BTS pics of Meghan, Josh, and Colin filming at the cemetary. YVRShoots put out some new spoiler pics today from that same day of filming, showing that Jen, Ginny, Lana, and Jared were also there. So this is pretty much the entire group of heroes (minus Robin) filming at a place where a portal back to Storybrooke might be. And since the title references magical slippers that can travel realms, I'm still thinking that they left the UW in 5x18. 

      I know the recent new photos of episode 5x18. But Ruy looked shocked and confused, giving a "Where am I?!" look.

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    • They said they are starting to film somewhere in a farmhouse right now. At least that is what I think was informed.

      https://twitter.com/pursuit23/status/696103887082643456/photo/1

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      They said they are starting to film somewhere in a farmhouse right now. At least that is what I think was informed.

      https://twitter.com/pursuit23/status/696103887082643456/photo/1

      Likely this means they may be in SB currently.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      They said they are starting to film somewhere in a farmhouse right now. At least that is what I think was informed.

      https://twitter.com/pursuit23/status/696103887082643456/photo/1

      Likely this means they may be in SB currently.

      I don't think so. Right now it was reported that Victoria (Cruella) is filming. Clearly they might still be in the underworld.

      https://twitter.com/ouatbh/status/696942467686473728/photo/1

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    • Cruella was appearing alot, and she is probably causing alot of trouble.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      They said they are starting to film somewhere in a farmhouse right now. At least that is what I think was informed.

      https://twitter.com/pursuit23/status/696103887082643456/photo/1

      Likely this means they may be in SB currently.
      I don't think so. Right now it was reported that Victoria (Cruella) is filming. Clearly they might still be in the underworld.

      https://twitter.com/ouatbh/status/696942467686473728/photo/1

      Well, I did say likely, I ddin't know about the Cruella spoiler then. Depends who she interacts with because not everyone has to be in the Underworld.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      They said they are starting to film somewhere in a farmhouse right now. At least that is what I think was informed.

      https://twitter.com/pursuit23/status/696103887082643456/photo/1

      Likely this means they may be in SB currently.
      I don't think so. Right now it was reported that Victoria (Cruella) is filming. Clearly they might still be in the underworld.

      https://twitter.com/ouatbh/status/696942467686473728/photo/1

      Well, I did say likely, I ddin't know about the Cruella spoiler then. Depends who she interacts with because not everyone has to be in the Underworld.

      That is why I just informed you.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:


      NickyHelp wrote:
      They said they are starting to film somewhere in a farmhouse right now. At least that is what I think was informed.

      https://twitter.com/pursuit23/status/696103887082643456/photo/1

      Likely this means they may be in SB currently.
      I don't think so. Right now it was reported that Victoria (Cruella) is filming. Clearly they might still be in the underworld.

      https://twitter.com/ouatbh/status/696942467686473728/photo/1

      Well, I did say likely, I ddin't know about the Cruella spoiler then. Depends who she interacts with because not everyone has to be in the Underworld.
      That is why I just informed you.

      Thanks! I do wonder why Cruella is still around. Love her, but seems like in the worst case scenario, there will be a clusterfumble.

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    • You know when A&E said they will not be in the underworld in the whole arc? Well I don't they meant they will be there for a short time. They might be back in Storybrooke either in ep 20 or 21

      A.lso, with Ruby and Cruella in the underworld together, I got a feeling that if Cruella still has her powers to control animals. Meaning she might have Ruby under her control to kill. That Vision of Emma's with Snow dying might be where Cruella trie to have Ruby kill Snow. Doubtful that it will succeed, because maybe someone might take the blow for Snow. Who knows.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      You know when A&E said they will not be in the underworld in the whole arc? Well I don't they meant they will be there for a short time. They might be back in Storybrooke either in ep 20 or 21

      A.lso, with Ruby and Cruella in the underworld together, I got a feeling that if Cruella still has her powers to control animals. Meaning she might have Ruby under her control to kill. That Vision of Emma's with Snow dying might be where Cruella trie to have Ruby kill Snow. Doubtful that it will succeed, because maybe someone might take the blow for Snow. Who knows.

      Well, that's pretty much the whole arc. They always sort of do that. We won't be in Camelot the whole Arc, yet we did so until the last episode. It's pretty much stretching the truth, but that makes sense because plans can change. So far it seems like they'll be in the underworld for every episode minus the possible two part finale.

      Cruella's powers may be gone. Author's Quill is broken, Merlin, who made it, is dead, the Apprentice is dead.

      Now, I don't think Cruella will be trying to kill Snow. She'd probably try to kill Emma, plus, Cruella can't command animals to kill after Isaac wrote it.

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    • Cruella is going to be the big bad of the season because she is pissed off she wasn't relevant in her original season.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Cruella is going to be the big bad of the season because she is pissed off she wasn't relevant in her original season.

      She never had a season, lol. Cruella makes a wonderful henchwoman. Cruella and Zelena...Hades has a taste for crazy, lol.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      You know when A&E said they will not be in the underworld in the whole arc? Well I don't they meant they will be there for a short time. They might be back in Storybrooke either in ep 20 or 21

      A.lso, with Ruby and Cruella in the underworld together, I got a feeling that if Cruella still has her powers to control animals. Meaning she might have Ruby under her control to kill. That Vision of Emma's with Snow dying might be where Cruella trie to have Ruby kill Snow. Doubtful that it will succeed, because maybe someone might take the blow for Snow. Who knows.

      Well, that's pretty much the whole arc. They always sort of do that. We won't be in Camelot the whole Arc, yet we did so until the last episode. It's pretty much stretching the truth, but that makes sense because plans can change. So far it seems like they'll be in the underworld for every episode minus the possible two part finale.

      Cruella's powers may be gone. Author's Quill is broken, Merlin, who made it, is dead, the Apprentice is dead.

      Now, I don't think Cruella will be trying to kill Snow. She'd probably try to kill Emma, plus, Cruella can't command animals to kill after Isaac wrote it.

      Maybe not, but even if she does try to have Snow killed, it is to make Emma suffer for what she did to her.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      You know when A&E said they will not be in the underworld in the whole arc? Well I don't they meant they will be there for a short time. They might be back in Storybrooke either in ep 20 or 21

      A.lso, with Ruby and Cruella in the underworld together, I got a feeling that if Cruella still has her powers to control animals. Meaning she might have Ruby under her control to kill. That Vision of Emma's with Snow dying might be where Cruella trie to have Ruby kill Snow. Doubtful that it will succeed, because maybe someone might take the blow for Snow. Who knows.

      Well, that's pretty much the whole arc. They always sort of do that. We won't be in Camelot the whole Arc, yet we did so until the last episode. It's pretty much stretching the truth, but that makes sense because plans can change. So far it seems like they'll be in the underworld for every episode minus the possible two part finale.

      Cruella's powers may be gone. Author's Quill is broken, Merlin, who made it, is dead, the Apprentice is dead.

      Now, I don't think Cruella will be trying to kill Snow. She'd probably try to kill Emma, plus, Cruella can't command animals to kill after Isaac wrote it.

      I doubt Cruella's powers are gone, as that is one of the few things that make her interesting and unique on the show.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      You know when A&E said they will not be in the underworld in the whole arc? Well I don't they meant they will be there for a short time. They might be back in Storybrooke either in ep 20 or 21

      A.lso, with Ruby and Cruella in the underworld together, I got a feeling that if Cruella still has her powers to control animals. Meaning she might have Ruby under her control to kill. That Vision of Emma's with Snow dying might be where Cruella trie to have Ruby kill Snow. Doubtful that it will succeed, because maybe someone might take the blow for Snow. Who knows.

      Well, that's pretty much the whole arc. They always sort of do that. We won't be in Camelot the whole Arc, yet we did so until the last episode. It's pretty much stretching the truth, but that makes sense because plans can change. So far it seems like they'll be in the underworld for every episode minus the possible two part finale.

      Cruella's powers may be gone. Author's Quill is broken, Merlin, who made it, is dead, the Apprentice is dead.

      Now, I don't think Cruella will be trying to kill Snow. She'd probably try to kill Emma, plus, Cruella can't command animals to kill after Isaac wrote it.

      I doubt Cruella's powers are gone, as that is one of the few things that make her interesting and unique on the show.

      Well ,the writers are loose and free with inconsistent magic rules. I simply would assume that noone has magic in the Underworld (except visitors and Hades). I mean I'm sure if they did the DOs would probably reek havoc and Cora among them.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      You know when A&E said they will not be in the underworld in the whole arc? Well I don't they meant they will be there for a short time. They might be back in Storybrooke either in ep 20 or 21

      A.lso, with Ruby and Cruella in the underworld together, I got a feeling that if Cruella still has her powers to control animals. Meaning she might have Ruby under her control to kill. That Vision of Emma's with Snow dying might be where Cruella trie to have Ruby kill Snow. Doubtful that it will succeed, because maybe someone might take the blow for Snow. Who knows.

      Well, that's pretty much the whole arc. They always sort of do that. We won't be in Camelot the whole Arc, yet we did so until the last episode. It's pretty much stretching the truth, but that makes sense because plans can change. So far it seems like they'll be in the underworld for every episode minus the possible two part finale.

      Cruella's powers may be gone. Author's Quill is broken, Merlin, who made it, is dead, the Apprentice is dead.

      Now, I don't think Cruella will be trying to kill Snow. She'd probably try to kill Emma, plus, Cruella can't command animals to kill after Isaac wrote it.

      I doubt Cruella's powers are gone, as that is one of the few things that make her interesting and unique on the show.

      Not to mention Pan apparently maintains his youthful appearance in the Underworld, despite reverting back into Malcolm before he died. Nimue and the other former Dark Ones also still had their magic, when they returned to the living. 

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    • ItachiIshtar wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      You know when A&E said they will not be in the underworld in the whole arc? Well I don't they meant they will be there for a short time. They might be back in Storybrooke either in ep 20 or 21

      A.lso, with Ruby and Cruella in the underworld together, I got a feeling that if Cruella still has her powers to control animals. Meaning she might have Ruby under her control to kill. That Vision of Emma's with Snow dying might be where Cruella trie to have Ruby kill Snow. Doubtful that it will succeed, because maybe someone might take the blow for Snow. Who knows.

      Well, that's pretty much the whole arc. They always sort of do that. We won't be in Camelot the whole Arc, yet we did so until the last episode. It's pretty much stretching the truth, but that makes sense because plans can change. So far it seems like they'll be in the underworld for every episode minus the possible two part finale.
      Cruella's powers may be gone. Author's Quill is broken, Merlin, who made it, is dead, the Apprentice is dead.

      Now, I don't think Cruella will be trying to kill Snow. She'd probably try to kill Emma, plus, Cruella can't command animals to kill after Isaac wrote it.

      I doubt Cruella's powers are gone, as that is one of the few things that make her interesting and unique on the show.
      Not to mention Pan apparently maintains his youthful appearance in the Underworld, despite reverting back into Malcolm before he died. Nimue and the other former Dark Ones also still had their magic, when they returned to the living. 

      We'll hope they explain it. If dead souls have their magic, how powerful is Hades, or what does he have over them?

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Young Regina and Young Zelena are cast.

      http://tvline.com/2016/02/09/once-upon-a-time-season-5-young-regina-zelena-cast/

      The Regina one looks the part and the Zelena one is decent I guess. Have to wait for filming pics, BTS, etc to better tell. Acting I'll leave to the episode.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Young Regina and Young Zelena are cast.

      http://tvline.com/2016/02/09/once-upon-a-time-season-5-young-regina-zelena-cast/

      Great casting, as usual.

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    • They don't necessarily have to stay in the underworld for dead characters to still be appearing (Although I definitely wouldn't mind if they did). It would be classic OUAT for some of the departed to follow them back to Storybrooke once they leave and they think they're in the clear. 

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    • It is great casting. Can't wait for young Regina and Zelena. At first, tbh, I din't think it was real but this just confirms it :)

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    • Agreed. and we can hope that these young actors not only look like their older counterparts, but have the acting chops to pull off being their younger selves. (this is 2 roles that could be quite challenging for a younger actor, given the abilities of Lana and Bex).  Maybe Lana and Bex will have time to work with them a little on their character definition.

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    • Great casting this time, especially Zelena

      Oh... and Barbara Hershey again, huh?

      I'll wait to see the episode but I'm sensing some retcons are on their way 

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Great casting this time, especially Zelena

      Oh... and Barbara Hershey again, huh?

      I'll wait to see the episode but I'm sensing some retcons are on their way 

      Not really, no need to becasue they are in different worlds doing childhood things. It actually might explain how Cora went from Princess to random person on the countryside. Plus, munchkins and an actual person learning magic! But, Munchkins!

      If someone wished, someone could probably edit 5b into 3b and make that season a whole lot better.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Great casting this time, especially Zelena

      Oh... and Barbara Hershey again, huh?

      I'll wait to see the episode but I'm sensing some retcons are on their way 

      If someone wished, someone could probably edit 5b into 3b and make that season a whole lot better.

      Agree on that. 

      I didn't expect Zelena to be this relevant in 5b.

      In 4a to 5a she was a filler character.

      I really hope they won't trade her for Hook in the underworld :/

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Great casting this time, especially Zelena

      Oh... and Barbara Hershey again, huh?

      I'll wait to see the episode but I'm sensing some retcons are on their way 

      If someone wished, someone could probably edit 5b into 3b and make that season a whole lot better.
      Agree on that. 

      I didn't expect Zelena to be this relevant in 5b.

      In 4a to 5a she was a filler character.

      I really hope they won't trade her for Hook in the underworld :/

      Zelena has been a highlight to the show recently and I would hate that. The real kicker as at the end of 4b is where do they go after this?

      4b ended with the Darkness and we knew it to be a threat, what esle could top that? Now, we have the gods (or at least one), what could top that going into season 6?

      We have had a journey through different worlds, a journey through time, a journey through alternate reality (in the book), and now what? They could technically start to try to have a season without any major villain and try to have Emma happily ever after people's stories and that's all I can really see. From witches to demigods to witches to demigods to actual gods.......I can't see the antagonistic threat growing. Either it's time for character because the ship has sailed for plot.

      I bring this up in this thread, mostly because this is usually where they start to wrap things up and start progressing to the finale I would think and this episode may hint toward a journey through....life. I don't know but they do have an extra episode so maybe the next one is where they start to wrap up. So far, Emma is the villain in this plot and Hades is just minding his business.

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    • Cora (Barbara) seems to be filming soon in this episode.

      http://katmtan.tumblr.com/post/139086556667/do-you-know-who-is-filming-this-week-havent-seen

      Definately in flashbacks, but maybe also in the present.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      Cora (Barbara) seems to be filming soon in this episode.

      http://katmtan.tumblr.com/post/139086556667/do-you-know-who-is-filming-this-week-havent-seen

      Definately in flashbacks, but maybe also in the present.

      It looks like she filmed with Lana and Bex, based on what was said, so that could mean present day Underworld.

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    • This is gonna be rich seeing Cora and Zelena finally in each other's presence.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      This is gonna be rich seeing Cora and Zelena finally in each other's presence.

      It sort of would be most intriguing if Cora sort of ignored Zelena's presence, only because she has no clue who she is.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      This is gonna be rich seeing Cora and Zelena finally in each other's presence.
      It sort of would be most intriguing if Cora sort of ignored Zelena's presence, only because she has no clue who she is.

      Pretty sure the second Zelena sees Cora, she's going to go "how could you give me away, I'm so much better than Regina, etc., etc., etc.", so Cora will figure out pretty fast who she is if she doesn't already know. XD

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      This is gonna be rich seeing Cora and Zelena finally in each other's presence.
      It sort of would be most intriguing if Cora sort of ignored Zelena's presence, only because she has no clue who she is.
      Pretty sure the second Zelena sees Cora, she's going to go "how could you give me away, I'm so much better than Regina, etc., etc., etc.", so Cora will figure out pretty fast who she is if she doesn't already know. XD

      Yeah, but I think Zelena would be in shock for a secomnd while Cora dotes over Regina with Zleena awkwardly standing there will be hilarious. Then she could be like "Mother?" and Cora is like "Excuse me?" but in her head she's like "Crap!"

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      This is gonna be rich seeing Cora and Zelena finally in each other's presence.
      It sort of would be most intriguing if Cora sort of ignored Zelena's presence, only because she has no clue who she is.
      Pretty sure the second Zelena sees Cora, she's going to go "how could you give me away, I'm so much better than Regina, etc., etc., etc.", so Cora will figure out pretty fast who she is if she doesn't already know. XD
      Yeah, but I think Zelena would be in shock for a secomnd while Cora dotes over Regina with Zleena awkwardly standing there will be hilarious. Then she could be like "Mother?" and Cora is like "Excuse me?" but in her head she's like "Crap!"


      I think Cora does know who she is since the show foreshadowed in Season 2 during an episode when Snow called Cora "Wicked" over the phone tap she got very off-put by the comment and broke it then said "She's not Wicked." Kind of gave a hint towards Zelena! And also when Regina asked Ghost Cora during Season 3 what she did to Zelena, Cora slapped her out of the way in an attempt to get to Snow. I think the show has hinted subtly that Cora does know that the Wicked Witch was her daughter and now with her return this season, Regina will have questions and also with Zelena's return maybe they will finally meet!

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    • Netflix14 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      This is gonna be rich seeing Cora and Zelena finally in each other's presence.
      It sort of would be most intriguing if Cora sort of ignored Zelena's presence, only because she has no clue who she is.
      Pretty sure the second Zelena sees Cora, she's going to go "how could you give me away, I'm so much better than Regina, etc., etc., etc.", so Cora will figure out pretty fast who she is if she doesn't already know. XD
      Yeah, but I think Zelena would be in shock for a secomnd while Cora dotes over Regina with Zleena awkwardly standing there will be hilarious. Then she could be like "Mother?" and Cora is like "Excuse me?" but in her head she's like "Crap!"


      I think Cora does know who she is since the show foreshadowed in Season 2 during an episode when Snow called Cora "Wicked" over the phone tap she got very off-put by the comment and broke it then said "She's not Wicked." Kind of gave a hint towards Zelena! And also when Regina asked Ghost Cora during Season 3 what she did to Zelena, Cora slapped her out of the way in an attempt to get to Snow. I think the show has hinted subtly that Cora does know that the Wicked Witch was her daughter and now with her return this season, Regina will have questions and also with Zelena's return maybe they will finally meet!

      I feel like Cora doesn;t like discussing her "past".

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    • Cruella seems to be popping up in almost every episode in this arc. One might wonder what is she up to. It can't be good. It's making me wonder if she will be the big problem in the finale instead of Hades, just like Isaac was in the finale instead of the QOD.

      Her Actress was filming with Jennifer and Josh lately. I think.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      Cruella seems to be popping up in almost every episode in this arc. One might wonder what is she up to. It can't be good. It's making me wonder if she will be the big problem in the finale instead of Hades, just like Isaac was in the finale instead of the QOD.

      Her Actress was filming with Jennifer and Josh lately. I think.

      Yay for more Cruella.

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    • Oh I just realize this is 5x19 already. They are filming faster this year, right? 

      They are only 1 episode away from filming the finale, and that usually happens on late march/early april, right?

      At this rate, they will end 5b filming even before 5x12 airs. 

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    • Hopefully we won't have skip weeks then

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    • Nope. There's 5x20, 21, 22, and 23.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Hopefully we won't have skip weeks then

      They can't change what ABC puts in place.

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    • I haven't really read any of this becasue i'ts getting long, but I hope that they don't actually meet. I think a story with both of them in their separate situations but with strong paralells would be much better.

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    • Bgwinstonfc30 wrote:
      I haven't really read any of this becasue i'ts getting long, but I hope that they don't actually meet. I think a story with both of them in their separate situations but with strong paralells would be much better.

      Well,  it's not really your job too XD

      Well, I assume you mean young Regina and Zelena. I think they won't meet because  they can't cover their tracks. And no a memory wipe can't help because I'm certain noone can traverse worlds and Zelena's father would be like "Where did you go?" And Zelena would be like "I don't know." I'm certain they probably didn't meet at all although the wizard did seem to know of Cora.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Nope. There's 5x20, 21, 22, and 23.

      Oh... I didn't know about 5x23

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Nope. There's 5x20, 21, 22, and 23.
      Oh... I didn't know about 5x23

      Yeah, weird, but I guess it's cool. A three part finale! Haha, I mean guess plot B can get some time.

      Plot 1- SB gang in Underworld doing shennigans which we haven't really heard much about

      Plot 2- Zelena being chased by Dorothy and her newfound friends

      I think we've got a little more info on Plot 2 than Plot 1. I haven't even the slightest clue (and I read like all the posts) what Snow, Dvid, Regina, and Robin are doing before recent talks of Emma and Cruella and also Regina with Cora and Zelena. I wouldn't even be surprised if Plot 2 is more interesting than Plot 1

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Bgwinstonfc30 wrote:
      I haven't really read any of this becasue i'ts getting long, but I hope that they don't actually meet. I think a story with both of them in their separate situations but with strong paralells would be much better.
      Well,  it's not really your job too XD

      Well, I assume you mean young Regina and Zelena. I think they won't meet because  they can't cover their tracks. And no a memory wipe can't help because I'm certain noone can traverse worlds and Zelena's father would be like "Where did you go?" And Zelena would be like "I don't know." I'm certain they probably didn't meet at all although the wizard did seem to know of Cora.

      Can I get a job doing that? That would be great. Haha. 

      Yeah, I meant young Regina and Zelena. And I agree, a memory wipe wouldn't work.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Nope. There's 5x20, 21, 22, and 23.
      Oh... I didn't know about 5x23

      Still, even with that, they do seem to be filming pretty quick. They should definitly be done filming by the first of April, if not before then.

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    • Bgwinstonfc30 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Bgwinstonfc30 wrote:
      I haven't really read any of this becasue i'ts getting long, but I hope that they don't actually meet. I think a story with both of them in their separate situations but with strong paralells would be much better.
      Well,  it's not really your job too XD

      Well, I assume you mean young Regina and Zelena. I think they won't meet because  they can't cover their tracks. And no a memory wipe can't help because I'm certain noone can traverse worlds and Zelena's father would be like "Where did you go?" And Zelena would be like "I don't know." I'm certain they probably didn't meet at all although the wizard did seem to know of Cora.

      Can I get a job doing that? That would be great. Haha. 

      Yeah, I meant young Regina and Zelena. And I agree, a memory wipe wouldn't work.

      Yeah, there's no reason they would meet each other as Cora would have a close eye on Regina and Cora is definitely not travelling in a Tornado. They can't cross realms simply because They would have to go there and then go back and it's not like Tornaodes happen everyday and specifically to Oz and the Ef.

      So, they will parallel and I think this is showing what 3b could have been and much more. Hilariously they are going to show a spoiled, rich girl with a controlling mother and a poor, lonely girl with an abusive father and somehow equate them. Hilariously, I think people woild end up on Zel's side because most of us aren't spoiled arisocrats, but soemhow fan favoritism will spring out and the writers will expect "Aww, they both had equally terrible lives." And then the fun part will be "But who made their lives better after their parents were gone?"

      This episode is amongs the most intriguing. And at last Cora will be seen again. I'd just hope this isn't the last of Zelena because I don't want them to give Robin the baby because he clealy neglects his child all the time and it's just proving Zelena's point to Regina.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Nope. There's 5x20, 21, 22, and 23.
      Oh... I didn't know about 5x23
      Still, even with that, they do seem to be filming pretty quick. They should definitly be done filming by the first of April, if not before then.

      Well, it's not like they needed 25 weeks to film and it'll give people (the cast and crew) a break.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Nope. There's 5x20, 21, 22, and 23.
      Oh... I didn't know about 5x23
      Still, even with that, they do seem to be filming pretty quick. They should definitly be done filming by the first of April, if not before then.
      Well, it's not like they needed 25 weeks to film and it'll give people (the cast and crew) a break.

      Well, the actors, the film crew, and the writers anyway. All the post production people and Adam and Eddy (they approve final cuts of the episode) will still have work to do. XD

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Nope. There's 5x20, 21, 22, and 23.
      Oh... I didn't know about 5x23
      Still, even with that, they do seem to be filming pretty quick. They should definitly be done filming by the first of April, if not before then.
      Well, it's not like they needed 25 weeks to film and it'll give people (the cast and crew) a break.

      They made up the difference by filming 508 and 509 at the same time, too. 

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Nope. There's 5x20, 21, 22, and 23.
      Oh... I didn't know about 5x23
      Still, even with that, they do seem to be filming pretty quick. They should definitly be done filming by the first of April, if not before then.
      Well, it's not like they needed 25 weeks to film and it'll give people (the cast and crew) a break.
      Well, the actors, the film crew, and the writers anyway. All the post production people and Adam and Eddy (they approve final cuts of the episode) will still have work to do. XD

      Yeah, but that comes with the job. Wonder if this is any sign towards season 6...duh duh duuuuuh! Doubt it, just curious. Or maybe they have big plans? Who knows? But a week (or two) an episode filming at least keeps them organizable to us spoiler looking people.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Nope. There's 5x20, 21, 22, and 23.
      Oh... I didn't know about 5x23
      Still, even with that, they do seem to be filming pretty quick. They should definitly be done filming by the first of April, if not before then.

      I think they are trying to wrap 5b filming before Ginny's bump gets noticeable

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Nope. There's 5x20, 21, 22, and 23.
      Oh... I didn't know about 5x23
      Still, even with that, they do seem to be filming pretty quick. They should definitly be done filming by the first of April, if not before then.
      I think they are trying to wrap 5b filming before Ginny's bump gets noticeable

      Last year they finished filming in the first week of April, so it's not that earlier than last year.

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    • IMDB is reporting Tony Perez is showing up as the Valet, and also the the guy linked to below is showing up as Cora's Footman:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1173158/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t16

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      IMDB is reporting Tony Perez is showing up as the Valet, and also the the guy linked to below is showing up as Cora's Footman:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1173158/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t16

      Cool, I hope we see how Cora and them dropped from the throne or at least Xavier's kingdom.

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    • The question is where does Zelela fit in all this? O_o

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      The question is where does Zelela fit in all this? O_o

      She doesn't unless they retcon 3B. Based on the past, I wouldn't be surprised that that is what they'll do.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      The question is where does Zelela fit in all this? O_o
      She doesn't unless they retcon 3B. Based on the past, I wouldn't be surprised that that is what they'll do.

      I personally think we will have side by side flashbacks, possibly with a character (like a Greek god or goddess) that meets both Regina and Zelena to tie the flashbacks together.

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    • Maybe the Fates?

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    • Brigitte (one of the writers of this episode) said that this episode will be emotionally wrenching. Just like she said that the Dreamcatcher episode will be heartbreaking.

      If you look at one or two of the pictures, you can see that Emma appears to be wearing an enchanted cuff again.

      http://yvrshoots.com/2016/02/shoot-onceupon-a-time-rumble-in-steveston-with-jennifer-morrison-colin-odonoghue-josh-dallas-sean-maguire-victoria-smurfit.html#.Vr6hmcfMzFJ

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      Brigitte (one of the writers of this episode) said that this episode will be emotionally wrenching. Just like she said that the Dreamcatcher episode will be heartbreaking.

      If you look at one or two of the pictures, you can see that Emma appears to be wearing an enchanted cuff again.

      http://yvrshoots.com/2016/02/shoot-onceupon-a-time-rumble-in-steveston-with-jennifer-morrison-colin-odonoghue-josh-dallas-sean-maguire-victoria-smurfit.html#.Vr6hmcfMzFJ

      Well, thanks, but I wouldn't take Brigette as a good scale of how effective an episode would be as she said heartbreaker for Dreamcatcher and that
      's subjective to the viewer as it wasn't that bad.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      Brigitte (one of the writers of this episode) said that this episode will be emotionally wrenching. Just like she said that the Dreamcatcher episode will be heartbreaking.

      If you look at one or two of the pictures, you can see that Emma appears to be wearing an enchanted cuff again.

      http://yvrshoots.com/2016/02/shoot-onceupon-a-time-rumble-in-steveston-with-jennifer-morrison-colin-odonoghue-josh-dallas-sean-maguire-victoria-smurfit.html#.Vr6hmcfMzFJ

      Well, thanks, but I wouldn't take Brigette as a good scale of how effective an episode would be as she said heartbreaker for Dreamcatcher and that
      's subjective to the viewer as it wasn't that bad.

      I never said anything about it as a good scale. What she meant by heartbreaker for 5x05 was sad cause of what Emma did to Henry in flashback. And in the present where she lost his trust for a while (when he discovered the truth of what she did).

      For this episode 5x19, emotionally wrenching means causing great sadness; heartbreaking. And like 5x05, this episode will be sad in the flashback of Regina/Zelena's childhood (as well as what might happen in the present).

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    • Does anyone think that they could be back in Storybrooke, and that Cruella was revived?

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Rwo wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Rwo wrote:

      Yeah, she didn't know, so she was wrong, misinformed if you prefer. ^^

      Now we need to think: we'll see the Mills daughters in their respective worlds, it seems. Why, how? What's linking them so early in their lives while they don't know yet about each other's existence? I doubt this link to be an inanimated object, so I think of a character.

      And no matter what some people might say, but there's still (or at least was) a very few people who could travel accross the realms that freely. Plus, it can't be Rumple ; Jefferson was probably too young then (nobody from Wonderland has been announced yet anyway) ; is the Apprentice (Timothy Webber) even around??

      There's no need for anyone to travel worlds. It could simply be a parallel flashback comparing both of their lives.
      Sure but, wouldn't it be a bit pointless? Flashbacks generally teach us something new about the characters' past, and I feel this episode will need to dig out some connection between Gina and Zeze in their respective pasts to do so.

      @Lady Junky: I was also hoping for Barabara Hershey to return for some present-time scenes in the Underworld, so Cora and Zelena can meet at last! :D

      Yes! I've been waiting for a Cora/Zelena meeting! What's the point of having Zelena in the underworld if she's not going to get to meet the horrible mother she was jealous over not having?! If Barbara Hershey isn't back, I'll be disappointed. 
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      ^Good. I want Barbara Hershey, honestly. Of course the green one has to meet her.

      I think it should be a "what if" story, mostly because the erased memory stuff would be so predictable. But my best idea would be that... Regina and Zelena actually meet briefly, share a nice friendly moment without finding out they are sisters, that would be sweet. I don't think Cora would even notice the baby she had given up.

      I propose that Zelena and Regina get a glimpse of each other, through a dream connection or whatever. And Zelena only gets to see the good parts of Regina's life, like her father's loving devotion, her riding, things she enjoys. Then, after the connection is broken, Zelena starts to feel resentful. And in the Enchanted Forest, Regina is distressed and confronts Cora - first about not telling her there was a sister, and second the sad life Zelena is having due to being abandoned. It turns into a big row. Cora reveals her true nature, getting all mean and controlling and evil, which shocks very young Regina and chips at her faith in her mother. So Cora reaches out and wipes the whole thing from Regina's mind, both the fight and the glimpse of Zelena. Maybe it even reveals that Cora has been mind-wiping Regina over and over to continually hide her nature, so that when we meet teen Regina she is still only vaguely aware that her mother is mean and critical, not knowing half the stuff Cora had already done to her before she got too old to be mind-wiped. And on the other end, Zelena doesn't know anything about Cora's viciousness to Regina - only that Cora is giving Regina the loving life she cruelly withheld from Zelena.

      Maybe I should take up fan fiction, since none of this is going to happen on the show.

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    • Pokemama1 wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      Rwo wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:


      Rwo wrote:

      Yeah, she didn't know, so she was wrong, misinformed if you prefer. ^^

      Now we need to think: we'll see the Mills daughters in their respective worlds, it seems. Why, how? What's linking them so early in their lives while they don't know yet about each other's existence? I doubt this link to be an inanimated object, so I think of a character.

      And no matter what some people might say, but there's still (or at least was) a very few people who could travel accross the realms that freely. Plus, it can't be Rumple ; Jefferson was probably too young then (nobody from Wonderland has been announced yet anyway) ; is the Apprentice (Timothy Webber) even around??

      There's no need for anyone to travel worlds. It could simply be a parallel flashback comparing both of their lives.
      Sure but, wouldn't it be a bit pointless? Flashbacks generally teach us something new about the characters' past, and I feel this episode will need to dig out some connection between Gina and Zeze in their respective pasts to do so.

      @Lady Junky: I was also hoping for Barabara Hershey to return for some present-time scenes in the Underworld, so Cora and Zelena can meet at last! :D

      Yes! I've been waiting for a Cora/Zelena meeting! What's the point of having Zelena in the underworld if she's not going to get to meet the horrible mother she was jealous over not having?! If Barbara Hershey isn't back, I'll be disappointed. 
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      ^Good. I want Barbara Hershey, honestly. Of course the green one has to meet her.

      I think it should be a "what if" story, mostly because the erased memory stuff would be so predictable. But my best idea would be that... Regina and Zelena actually meet briefly, share a nice friendly moment without finding out they are sisters, that would be sweet. I don't think Cora would even notice the baby she had given up.

      I propose that Zelena and Regina get a glimpse of each other, through a dream connection or whatever. And Zelena only gets to see the good parts of Regina's life, like her father's loving devotion, her riding, things she enjoys. Then, after the connection is broken, Zelena starts to feel resentful. And in the Enchanted Forest, Regina is distressed and confronts Cora - first about not telling her there was a sister, and second the sad life Zelena is having due to being abandoned. It turns into a big row. Cora reveals her true nature, getting all mean and controlling and evil, which shocks very young Regina and chips at her faith in her mother. So Cora reaches out and wipes the whole thing from Regina's mind, both the fight and the glimpse of Zelena. Maybe it even reveals that Cora has been mind-wiping Regina over and over to continually hide her nature, so that when we meet teen Regina she is still only vaguely aware that her mother is mean and critical, not knowing half the stuff Cora had already done to her before she got too old to be mind-wiped. And on the other end, Zelena doesn't know anything about Cora's viciousness to Regina - only that Cora is giving Regina the loving life she cruelly withheld from Zelena.

      Maybe I should take up fan fiction, since none of this is going to happen on the show.

      Actually, that sounds exactly like something the show would do. XD

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    • I think this scene is where they finally return to Storybrooke. Maybe somewhere in the end.

      https://twitter.com/gogcannery/status/699300389963706368/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

      If you look in the very back, you might see the clock tower in place. A sign that we are back in Storybrooke.

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    • My mistake they are still in the underworld. I saw the broken tower.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      My mistake they are still in the underworld. I saw the broken tower.

      Lol, you could have just edited your post.

      But yeah, it seems like they don't go back in this episode, maybe the next.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      My mistake they are still in the underworld. I saw the broken tower.
      Lol, you could have just edited your post.

      But yeah, it seems like they don't go back in this episode, maybe the next.

      In my opinion, they'll be back and resolve everything in 521, just in time for a 2 hour filler finale.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      My mistake they are still in the underworld. I saw the broken tower.
      Lol, you could have just edited your post.

      But yeah, it seems like they don't go back in this episode, maybe the next.

      In my opinion, they'll be back and resolve everything in 521, just in time for a 2 hour filler finale.

      Yep, because SB people don't matter.

      Now the curious thing (episode title from one episode) is we really don't know what's going on.

      Plot B is quite clear with Zelena on the run from Dorothy and Red and Mulan pop up in their quarrel. They chase Zelena to the Underworld.

      Plot A is........Emma finds Hook, Snow had a moment a long time ago, Hades spends time with Zelena, and that's all I've got.

      Hopefully this episode will clear up things.

      Predicting that this sets itself as the penultimate episode of the Underworld, then 20 being the final, then the two hour episode doing hopething beyond time travel adn alternate reality.........

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      My mistake they are still in the underworld. I saw the broken tower.
      Lol, you could have just edited your post.

      But yeah, it seems like they don't go back in this episode, maybe the next.

      In my opinion, they'll be back and resolve everything in 521, just in time for a 2 hour filler finale.

      Yep, because SB people don't matter.

      Now the curious thing (episode title from one episode) is we really don't know what's going on.

      Plot B is quite clear with Zelena on the run from Dorothy and Red and Mulan pop up in their quarrel. They chase Zelena to the Underworld.

      Plot A is........Emma finds Hook, Snow had a moment a long time ago, Hades spends time with Zelena, and that's all I've got.

      What moment for Snow? With Hercules or something else?

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      My mistake they are still in the underworld. I saw the broken tower.
      Lol, you could have just edited your post.

      But yeah, it seems like they don't go back in this episode, maybe the next.

      In my opinion, they'll be back and resolve everything in 521, just in time for a 2 hour filler finale.
      Yep, because SB people don't matter.

      Now the curious thing (episode title from one episode) is we really don't know what's going on.

      Plot B is quite clear with Zelena on the run from Dorothy and Red and Mulan pop up in their quarrel. They chase Zelena to the Underworld.

      Plot A is........Emma finds Hook, Snow had a moment a long time ago, Hades spends time with Zelena, and that's all I've got.

      Hopefully this episode will clear up things.

      Predicting that this sets itself as the penultimate episode of the Underworld, then 20 being the final, then the two hour episode doing hopething beyond time travel adn alternate reality.........

      Everything will be much clearer once the season returns.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      My mistake they are still in the underworld. I saw the broken tower.
      Lol, you could have just edited your post.

      But yeah, it seems like they don't go back in this episode, maybe the next.

      In my opinion, they'll be back and resolve everything in 521, just in time for a 2 hour filler finale.
      Yep, because SB people don't matter.

      Now the curious thing (episode title from one episode) is we really don't know what's going on.

      Plot B is quite clear with Zelena on the run from Dorothy and Red and Mulan pop up in their quarrel. They chase Zelena to the Underworld.

      Plot A is........Emma finds Hook, Snow had a moment a long time ago, Hades spends time with Zelena, and that's all I've got.

      Hopefully this episode will clear up things.

      Predicting that this sets itself as the penultimate episode of the Underworld, then 20 being the final, then the two hour episode doing hopething beyond time travel adn alternate reality.........

      Everything will be much clearer once the season returns.

      What do you mean? All I see is fog XD

      So farI will say that the season doesn't seem as epic as 5a was during filming, but that might be a good thing.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      My mistake they are still in the underworld. I saw the broken tower.
      Lol, you could have just edited your post.

      But yeah, it seems like they don't go back in this episode, maybe the next.

      In my opinion, they'll be back and resolve everything in 521, just in time for a 2 hour filler finale.
      Yep, because SB people don't matter.

      Now the curious thing (episode title from one episode) is we really don't know what's going on.

      Plot B is quite clear with Zelena on the run from Dorothy and Red and Mulan pop up in their quarrel. They chase Zelena to the Underworld.

      Plot A is........Emma finds Hook, Snow had a moment a long time ago, Hades spends time with Zelena, and that's all I've got.

      Hopefully this episode will clear up things.

      Predicting that this sets itself as the penultimate episode of the Underworld, then 20 being the final, then the two hour episode doing hopething beyond time travel adn alternate reality.........

      One could suspect that all the Underbrooke inhabitants enter Storybrooke for the two-hour finale only to retreat at the end with maybe only one person staying setting up the main antagonists for next season

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      My mistake they are still in the underworld. I saw the broken tower.
      Lol, you could have just edited your post.

      But yeah, it seems like they don't go back in this episode, maybe the next.

      In my opinion, they'll be back and resolve everything in 521, just in time for a 2 hour filler finale.
      Yep, because SB people don't matter.

      Now the curious thing (episode title from one episode) is we really don't know what's going on.

      Plot B is quite clear with Zelena on the run from Dorothy and Red and Mulan pop up in their quarrel. They chase Zelena to the Underworld.

      Plot A is........Emma finds Hook, Snow had a moment a long time ago, Hades spends time with Zelena, and that's all I've got.

      Hopefully this episode will clear up things.

      Predicting that this sets itself as the penultimate episode of the Underworld, then 20 being the final, then the two hour episode doing hopething beyond time travel adn alternate reality.........

      One could suspect that all the Underbrooke inhabitants enter Storybrooke for the two-hour finale only to retreat at the end with maybe only one person staying setting up the main antagonists for next season

      Unless there is a new unexpected ally and friend coming up, just like they did with Elsa.

      Brigitte said this episode will be emotionally wrenching. A heartbreaker. There may definately be sad moments in Regina and Zelena's flashbacks, but there might be something tragic in the present.

      It appears that a battle is happening with Cruella.

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    • Maybe Emma is going to finish the job and re-kill Cruella lol

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Maybe Emma is going to finish the job and re-kill Cruella lol


      lol, wow. How many deaths should one woman suffer?

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    • JMXD96 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Maybe Emma is going to finish the job and re-kill Cruella lol

      lol, wow. How many deaths should one woman suffer?

      Cruella? 5 at least

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    • We'll learn the rules of the Underworld, but I'm certain you can't kill the dead.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      We'll learn the rules of the Underworld, but I'm certain you can't kill the dead.


      I think Emma will need to throw Cruella off of another cliff to test that out. xD

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    • Eskaver wrote: We'll learn the rules of the Underworld, but I'm certain you can't kill the dead.

      Yeah, they did hint that the living can die in the Underworld. For the rules and consequences of the Underworld, I bet they can't be good at all. Especially if it involves life exchange for resurrection (just like we saw in Quiet Minds and Swan Song).

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    • JMXD96 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      We'll learn the rules of the Underworld, but I'm certain you can't kill the dead.

      I think Emma will need to throw Cruella off of another cliff to test that out. xD

      Emma will be like "Hi there. Its been a while since I killed you" 

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      JMXD96 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      We'll learn the rules of the Underworld, but I'm certain you can't kill the dead.

      I think Emma will need to throw Cruella off of another cliff to test that out. xD
      Emma will be like "Hi there. Its been a while since I killed you" 

      Nah, Emma will totally do it while in md-conversation and act like nothing happened.

      To use Ursula's words, Emma will totally use "those hands" on Cruella. I mean she's been the Dark One and Cruella missed it. I'm sure she'd use Cruella above even Zelena.

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    • Theory time! I think that Zelena has some sort of special affinity or deal with her magic.

      I was doing so redfeining of the Once Magical system and I realized that in my theory Zelena has a blank. Here's what I mean. Of those surely born with magic:

      Ingrid: Affinity for Ice (with other Witchcraft capabilities)

      Zelena: Affinity for _____(with other Witchcraft Abilities).

      Emma: Affinity for Light (with other Witchcraft capabilities)

      Even AU Rumple was like Emma, but normal DO Rumple was like Zelena. Probably we won't find out a thing in this episode, but it could have some sort of tie in with Hades, decay (dust or smoke), or something.

      (Yeah, I know you could try to put Dark there but she doesn't control darkness, like how Ingrid and Emma control there elements. You could try to put Fire, but she doesn't seem to control fire as much as she just throws it).

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Theory time! I think that Zelena has some sort of special affinity or deal with her magic.

      I was doing so redfeining of the Once Magical system and I realized that in my theory Zelena has a blank. Here's what I mean. Of those surely born with magic:

      Ingrid: Affinity for Ice (with other Witchcraft capabilities)

      Zelena: Affinity for _____(with other Witchcraft Abilities).

      Emma: Affinity for Light (with other Witchcraft capabilities)

      Even AU Rumple was like Emma, but normal DO Rumple was like Zelena. Probably we won't find out a thing in this episode, but it could have some sort of tie in with Hades, decay (dust or smoke), or something.

      (Yeah, I know you could try to put Dark there but she doesn't control darkness, like how Ingrid and Emma control there elements. You could try to put Fire, but she doesn't seem to control fire as much as she just throws it).

      I know back in Season 3, Adam and Eddy described that Zelena was such a natural at using magic, compared to Regina, who had to spend a lot of time training. Zelena was also powerful enough to enact the time travel spell, claiming to be the first one to successfully do it. Maybe there is a deeper reason as to why Zelena was so powerful from the start, and we will find out why in 5B. I mean, she could do magic as an infant, and this was before Cora had even learned to do magic herself from Rumple.

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    • ItachiIshtar wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Theory time! I think that Zelena has some sort of special affinity or deal with her magic.

      I was doing so redfeining of the Once Magical system and I realized that in my theory Zelena has a blank. Here's what I mean. Of those surely born with magic:

      Ingrid: Affinity for Ice (with other Witchcraft capabilities)

      Zelena: Affinity for _____(with other Witchcraft Abilities).

      Emma: Affinity for Light (with other Witchcraft capabilities)

      Even AU Rumple was like Emma, but normal DO Rumple was like Zelena. Probably we won't find out a thing in this episode, but it could have some sort of tie in with Hades, decay (dust or smoke), or something.

      (Yeah, I know you could try to put Dark there but she doesn't control darkness, like how Ingrid and Emma control there elements. You could try to put Fire, but she doesn't seem to control fire as much as she just throws it).

      I know back in Season 3, Adam and Eddy described that Zelena was such a natural at using magic, compared to Regina, who had to spend a lot of time training. Zelena was also powerful enough to enact the time travel spell, claiming to be the first one to successfully do it. Maybe there is a deeper reason as to why Zelena was so powerful from the start, and we will find out why in 5B. I mean, she could do magic as an infant, and this was before Cora had even learned to do magic herself from Rumple.

      Yeah, there are three categories: Born, Taught, or Cursed and Zelena falls into born with it, yet she has no affinity for anything and apparently we've never known anyone to be born with Witchcraft abilities without an affinity.

      Apprentice, Cora, and Regina were all taught. So, either Zelena was born with it, like Emma and Ingrid, or Zelena as a baby was taught the skills of witchcraft........XD

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    • Maybe Jonathan was a god in disguise. 

      Gods loved to do that in greek mythology.

      Maybe that's why Zelena is so powerful. Powerful enough to cheat death. 

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    • Oh wait.... Zelena cheated death!

      Hades is the lord of the underworld! 

      Maybe that's how she did it.... Hades helped her!

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    • Interesting thought. I hope they don't go that direction, but it would make sense. (being the bastard child of one of the Greek Gods).

      That would put Zelena on the same level as Heracles and the other Demi Gods and Goddesses. And she is supposedly powerful enough to qualify.

      However, in a quick search of Greek mythos, there are only 2 possibilities for daughters of Hades. One is Macaria, who is the daughter of blessed death (a picture which does not match Zelena at all). And the other is one of the furies. And though that might be a decent fit, I don't see that happening either.  So either Once would have to generate some new Greek Mythos, or Zelena is not the illegimate daughter of Hades.

      That does NOT preclude Zeus, who was much more prolific in producing bastard children. but, again, let me just state that I hope they don't go this route.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Interesting thought. I hope they don't go that direction, but it would make sense. (being the bastard child of one of the Greek Gods).

      That would put Zelena on the same level as Heracles and the other Demi Gods and Goddesses. And she is supposedly powerful enough to qualify.

      However, in a quick search of Greek mythos, there are only 2 possibilities for daughters of Hades. One is Macaria, who is the daughter of blessed death (a picture which does not match Zelena at all). And the other is one of the furies. And though that might be a decent fit, I don't see that happening either.  So either Once would have to generate some new Greek Mythos, or Zelena is not the illegimate daughter of Hades.

      That does NOT preclude Zeus, who was much more prolific in producing bastard children. but, again, let me just state that I hope they don't go this route.

      Also, why would a god pretend to be a prince, but then just be the gardener? It doesn't make sense.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Interesting thought. I hope they don't go that direction, but it would make sense. (being the bastard child of one of the Greek Gods).

      That would put Zelena on the same level as Heracles and the other Demi Gods and Goddesses. And she is supposedly powerful enough to qualify.

      However, in a quick search of Greek mythos, there are only 2 possibilities for daughters of Hades. One is Macaria, who is the daughter of blessed death (a picture which does not match Zelena at all). And the other is one of the furies. And though that might be a decent fit, I don't see that happening either.  So either Once would have to generate some new Greek Mythos, or Zelena is not the illegimate daughter of Hades.

      That does NOT preclude Zeus, who was much more prolific in producing bastard children. but, again, let me just state that I hope they don't go this route.

      Also, why would a god pretend to be a prince, but then just be the gardener? It doesn't make sense.

      Right! But Zelen a does have her whole green skin thing which can't just be envy, because then Regina would be Red with anger or something, lol. Anyhow, we will learn how a Young Zelena dealt with having magic, since even before Rumple she had garnered a stash of magical abilities and knew how magic functioned.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:

      That would put Zelena on the same level as Heracles and the other Demi Gods and Goddesses. And she is supposedly powerful enough to qualify.

      That would explain why she was the first witch powerful enough to cast the time travel spell

      No one was able to do that before..... Not even a dark one.....

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    • James and David, two characters with the price of one. I can't wait for the general audience to get confused why David is suddenly evil and dead.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      That would put Zelena on the same level as Heracles and the other Demi Gods and Goddesses. And she is supposedly powerful enough to qualify.
      That would explain why she was the first witch powerful enough to cast the time travel spell

      No one was able to do that before..... Not even a dark one.....

      This is something I've never understood. Was Zelena's time travel spell an example of her power or her intellect?

      In the scene where she revealed her plan in Bleeding Through she said "Laws only exist until they're broken by someone superior." Which indicates she's more powerful than other magic weilders. But immediately after Rumple asks "You've deciphered the laws of time travel?" That makes me think it has more to do with intellect than power.

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    • JMXD96 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      That would put Zelena on the same level as Heracles and the other Demi Gods and Goddesses. And she is supposedly powerful enough to qualify.
      That would explain why she was the first witch powerful enough to cast the time travel spell

      No one was able to do that before..... Not even a dark one.....

      This is something I've never understood. Was Zelena's time travel spell an example of her power or her intellect?

      In the scene where she revealed her plan in Bleeding Through she said "Laws only exist until they're broken by someone superior." Which indicates she's more powerful than other magic weilders. But immediately after Rumple asks "You've deciphered the laws of time travel?" That makes me think it has more to do with intellect than power.

      Zelena was powerful, but the time travel spell has only to deal with her intellect. Zelena is very smart, just tends to be a little wacky at times.

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    • I'd say it's both: power and intellect

      Every Dark One has the previous Dark Ones in his/her mind

      It's imposible that Zelena is smarter that all the knowledge of the previous Dark Ones combined

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I'd say it's both: power and intellect

      Every Dark One has the previous Dark Ones in his/her mind

      It's imposible that Zelena is smarter that all the knowledge of the previous Dark Ones combined

      Lol, doubt it, but I'm certain Nimue wouldn't want any DO to go back in time, for security reasons. Plus, why would any go back in time?

      Zelena is just focused towards a goal and capable of acheiving it. Plus, she had knowledge from Oz, whereas the DO was centered in the Enchanted Forest.

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    • New York City location? https://twitter.com/yvrshoots/status/699687490140000256

      It's weird if it's in this episode, it can't be in the Underworld, it can't be in the flashback. Maybe they are already filming the next one?

      It's possible, 2 weeks have passed. Plus David and James are having scenes together right now.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      New York City location? https://twitter.com/yvrshoots/status/699687490140000256

      It's weird if it's in this episode, it can't be in the Underworld, it can't be in the flashback. Maybe they are already filming the next one?

      It's possible, 2 weeks have passed. Plus David and James are having scenes together right now.

      Nope still episode 19. Could simply be a different part of SB or the Underbrooke may be bigger than it seems because......SB is too small. It has it's own NY too!

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      James and David, two characters with the price of one. I can't wait for the general audience to get confused why David is suddenly evil and dead.

      It does not look confusing at all. It makes perfect sense, for James to be the Underbrooke sheriff.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      James and David, two characters with the price of one. I can't wait for the general audience to get confused why David is suddenly evil and dead.
      It does not look confusing at all. It makes perfect sense, for James to be the Underbrooke sheriff.

      It doesn't take much for the general audience to be confused.

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    • I use to imagine a fight between the twins, and I was also expecting a fight betwwen them in the underworld. As was teased, they will. But I never would have imagined James and Cruella like probably working together. Them both battling Emma, Charming, Killian and Robin.

      This is giving me a reminder of Operation Mongoose. Charming seems to be holding back Emma, while Killian is fighting and Holding off the villains. I Got a bad feeling that James would win and defeat the pirate, and then it is down to David. Most likely David would win, even though he might not kill his deceased brother.

      There are possibilities that James and Cruella are holding Snow hostage, which is probably why she is missing.

      I'm so excited!

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    • Chances are Regina and Snow are together. You know, divide and conquer.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Chances are Regina and Snow are together. You know, divide and conquer.

      If so, do you suppose Ruby is with Snow and Regina?

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Chances are Regina and Snow are together. You know, divide and conquer.

      If so, do you suppose Ruby is with Snow and Regina?

      Maybe. I'm not sure as we have a segmented group.

      Red is there. David, Emma, Robin and Hook are together facing Cruella. Zelena and Hades are off somewhere. Rumple and Belle went elsewhere. Maybe Red told Regina and Snow about Zelena.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Chances are Regina and Snow are together. You know, divide and conquer.

      If so, do you suppose Ruby is with Snow and Regina?

      Maybe. I'm not sure as we have a segmented group.

      Red is there. David, Emma, Robin and Hook are together facing Cruella. Zelena and Hades are off somewhere. Rumple and Belle went elsewhere. Maybe Red told Regina and Snow about Zelena.

      Not just Cruella they're facing, James as well. I read about a stuntman for James. So those two villains seem to be working together.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Chances are Regina and Snow are together. You know, divide and conquer.

      If so, do you suppose Ruby is with Snow and Regina?
      Maybe. I'm not sure as we have a segmented group.

      Red is there. David, Emma, Robin and Hook are together facing Cruella. Zelena and Hades are off somewhere. Rumple and Belle went elsewhere. Maybe Red told Regina and Snow about Zelena.

      Not just Cruella they're facing, James as well. I read about a stuntman for James. So those two villains seem to be working together.

      Maybe Hades is giving them some incentive. James was more of a jerk than a villain, so he has to be getting something out of it.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
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      James and David, two characters with the price of one. I can't wait for the general audience to get confused why David is suddenly evil and dead.
      It does not look confusing at all. It makes perfect sense, for James to be the Underbrooke sheriff.
      It doesn't take much for the general audience to be confused.

      Esk, it's not our fault if the general audience can't keep up with the plot of the show. James has shown up in a few episodes, and been mentioned in several more. And I'm sure they will do some kind of reminder about James before he shows up anyway. We shouldn't not have characters just because a very casual viewer might get confused.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      James and David, two characters with the price of one. I can't wait for the general audience to get confused why David is suddenly evil and dead.
      It does not look confusing at all. It makes perfect sense, for James to be the Underbrooke sheriff.
      It doesn't take much for the general audience to be confused.
      Esk, it's not our fault if the general audience can't keep up with the plot of the show. James has shown up in a few episodes, and been mentioned in several more. And I'm sure they will do some kind of reminder about James before he shows up anyway. We shouldn't not have characters just because a very casual viewer might get confused.

      Of course, just saying I can't wait for the reaction of "Two David's?" and "Why does David have an evil Twin. So dumb!" comments.

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    • Looks like Robbie Kay is also back for this episode! https://twitter.com/canadagraphs/status/699789993988861952

      Glad to hear that Cora and Pan aren't only back for one episode. :) 

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Looks like Robbie Kay is also back for this episode! https://twitter.com/canadagraphs/status/699789993988861952Glad to hear that Cora and Pan aren't only back for one episode. :) 

      Right. I would seem either they are simply passing through and the Underworld is coming to an end, or people are "moving on" to someplace. I;m not sure we can further specualte that until we see the basics of the Underworld.

      Seems weird that Regina and Zelena centric has James vs David and Emma vs Cruella and Zelena with Malcolm. Interesting dynamic. If it's all for this episode that is. Anyhow, it feels as though the next episode with be the final one (or penultimate one) in the Underworld, doing Underworldy things.

      Or maybe it's a villainous coup or even better this episode is bulding up to some epic thing (yes, vague as ever).

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    • JennaMae wrote: Looks like Robbie Kay is also back for this episode! https://twitter.com/canadagraphs/status/699789993988861952

      Glad to hear that Cora and Pan aren't only back for one episode. :) 

      With them both together, means double the trouble. Finally Zelena meets the father of her former captive from season 3.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      Looks like Robbie Kay is also back for this episode! https://twitter.com/canadagraphs/status/699789993988861952

      Glad to hear that Cora and Pan aren't only back for one episode. :) 

      Sweet. I am starting to wonder if this is actually for 520 though.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      Looks like Robbie Kay is also back for this episode! https://twitter.com/canadagraphs/status/699789993988861952Glad to hear that Cora and Pan aren't only back for one episode. :) 
      Sweet. I am starting to wonder if this is actually for 520 though.

      Yeah, I think today or tomorrow should be the last day of filming for 5x19, so it's possible they started earlier? Idk! Cruella, Cora, James, and Pan in the same episode with young Regina and Zelena in flashbacks /does/ seem like a bit much...... it's like 5x12 2.0 with the guest stars. 

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    • And we also have a Rumple and Pan scene. https://www.instagram.com/p/BB3vxDMBIkR/

      I wonder where Cora and Pan have been hanging out if they're still in the underworld but aren't appearing from 5x13 - 5x18. 

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    • So, from tumblr and etc,

      There's a scene between Zelena, Rumple, and Pan. Seems like Father and Son are working togehter as it looks as though, Zelena talks to Rumple, walks off, before getting talked to and ambushed by Pan who ends the scene tossing a burlap sack over her head. (Don't know why Rumple, the Uber Dark One, needs to resort to cartoony kidnapping XD) Perhaps, there's no magic (besides Hades) and items in the Underworld.

      Likely Malcolm/ Pan made a deal with Rumple earlier on in episode 12 to get him out of the Underworld, so they are going to hold Zelena as a bargaining chip against Hades. And Belle was apparently across the street watching or had a scene at Gold's/ Pan's shop.

      Other scenes, David faces off with his brother and loses. Presumably he has the "quest item" and now he's likely imprisoned and the "quest item" confiscated.

      (This one here is just specualtion, the others were heard on set) And lastly, Cruella (aka Henchwoman) faces off against most of the Unvengers.

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    • All I have to say is the UW looks like it's going to be really, REALLY fast paced. Which as long as they aren't introducing a bunch of new characters is not necessarily a bad thing.

      And based on the title of the next episode, it looks like we are nearing the end of the UW arc at this time.

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    • This is nuts XD

      The spoilers are crazier each week

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    • Gotta ask; how likely do you think it is that Cora and Zelena will interact in this episode? From what I've seen Cora will still be in the Underworld so they most likely will cross paths.

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    • It will probably make a change in Zelena, if it will be for the better is up for debate. But I'm pretty sure they will have some scenes together in present day

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    • Since Sisters appears to be a combined Regina and Zelena Centric, and given the Cora is involved as well, I am feeling confident that we will be to see a Zelena & Cora scene (and it will likely be amazing). How that turns out will be the twist that the writers will throw at us, so I'm trying not to set my expectations for any specific outcome.

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    • I want a Cora & Zelena meeting. I want Zelena to meet her mom.

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    • JMXD96 wrote:
      Gotta ask; how likely do you think it is that Cora and Zelena will interact in this episode? From what I've seen Cora will still be in the Underworld so they most likely will cross paths.

      I have a feeling, that Cora will find peace and move on, in this episode. She ruined both her daughters lives, in very different ways, and that is probably her unfinished business.

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    • So now that everyone has seen 512, does anyone have new insight about what they think we will see in this episode? I'm thinking Cora will "move on" in this episode.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm thinking Cora will "move on" in this episode.

      Of course, she will.... the question, is to Tartarus or Mt. Olympus?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm thinking Cora will "move on" in this episode.
      Of course, she will.... the question, is to Tartarus or Mt. Olympus?

      That is the question. Based on the fact that this show is about hope, I want to say Mt. Olympus.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      So now that everyone has seen 512, does anyone have new insight about what they think we will see in this episode? I'm thinking Cora will "move on" in this episode.

      I think it is really Zelena who is Cora's unfinished business, more so than Regina. Once Cora resolves her relationship with both of her daughters, then she can move on. 

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    • They are not going to Mt. Olympus. 

      The Olympus is exclusive for the gods

      They are going to Elysium, which is like Heaven


      And.... if Cora can go to Elysium, then anyone can go there XD

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      They are not going to Mt. Olympus. 

      The Olympus is exclusive for the gods

      They are going to Elysium, which is like Heaven


      And.... if Cora can go to Elysium, then anyone can go there XD

      They are going to Mount Olympus, because it is where souls without unfinished business go.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      They are not going to Mt. Olympus. 

      The Olympus is exclusive for the gods

      They are going to Elysium, which is like Heaven


      And.... if Cora can go to Elysium, then anyone can go there XD

      Once canon is good souls go to Mount Olympus.

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    • O.o

      Really? Did they mention it on 5x12? I totally missed that. Thanks for the info.


      Then... they totally messed up that....

      Even in the Disney film, Megara was not allowed to go there.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      O.o

      Really? Did they mention it on 5x12? I totally missed that. Thanks for the info.


      Then... they totally messed up that....

      Even in the Disney film, Megara was not allowed to go there.

      They did not mess up. It is an adaptation, and they can do what they want ^^ If we think like that, then they mess up Snow White too :P Anyways, if you want more info you can read the article Mount Olympus

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    • However, back on topic, Cora has unfinished business with both daughters.

      With Zelena (who she does aparantly know about), she needs to address her abandoning her as a child, and take responsibility.

      With Regina, She needs to address her part in both her domineering upbringing and her part in killing Daniel.

      Of course, she also has issues with Snow White that need resolved, but I'm not sure if, or how, those might be addressed.

      Honestly, for Cora to move on, they need to spend several episodes with her making amends and finishing her business.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      However, back on topic, Cora has unfinished business with both daughters.

      With Zelena (who she does aparantly know about), she needs to address her abandoning her as a child, and take responsibility.

      With Regina, She needs to address her part in both her domineering upbringing and her part in killing Daniel.

      Of course, she also has issues with Snow White that need resolved, but I'm not sure if, or how, those might be addressed.

      Honestly, for Cora to move on, they need to spend several episodes with her making amends and finishing her business.

      But I'm sure that this episode will be the one where she goes to Mount Olympus

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      O.o

      Really? Did they mention it on 5x12? I totally missed that. Thanks for the info.


      Then... they totally messed up that....

      Even in the Disney film, Megara was not allowed to go there.

      Part of the show is twisting the stories up. As a twist, it works.

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    • Alright, updating predictions based on new info: Obviously this episode deals with Regina and Zelena, and probably Cora, but it does take on a slightly different tone now that we know Regina is trapped in the Underworld.

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    • We already knew most of this stuff. This will be where Cora moves on, and honestly I don't think she deserves to go to a better place, let's see how she gets judged.

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    • Well So far, we have

      Better place - Henry, Sr, Herc, and Meg.

      Screwed over in Underbrooke - Milah

      Worst place - none known yet.

      candidates for moving on - Pan, Liam, Cora, Cruella, James, Blind Witch

      My guess is taht Liam will go to the better place (We'll know before this episode airs, since we get Killian and Liam in the Brothers Jones). The rest are up in the air.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Well So far, we have

      Better place - Henry, Sr, Herc, and Meg.

      Screwed over in Underbrooke - Milah

      Worst place - none known yet.

      candidates for moving on - Pan, Liam, Cora, Cruella, James, Blind Witch

      My guess is taht Liam will go to the better place (We'll know before this episode airs, since we get Killian and Liam in the Brothers Jones). The rest are up in the air.


      While a minor character, didn't Black Tooth go to the "Worst Place"?

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Well So far, we have

      Better place - Henry, Sr, Herc, and Meg.

      Screwed over in Underbrooke - Milah

      Worst place - none known yet.

      candidates for moving on - Pan, Liam, Cora, Cruella, James, Blind Witch

      My guess is taht Liam will go to the better place (We'll know before this episode airs, since we get Killian and Liam in the Brothers Jones). The rest are up in the air.


      While a minor character, didn't Black Tooth go to the "Worst Place"?

      I thought so too, but as others pointed out, Hades didn't count it when he was counting people who left his domain. The only other possible explinations are he blamed Cora (who he then punished), or he allowed for Black Tooth to go to a different realm, in an attempt to scare off the heroes.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      IMDB is reporting Tony Perez is showing up as the Valet, and also the the guy linked to below is showing up as Cora's Footman:

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1173158/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t16

      Cool, I hope we see how Cora and them dropped from the throne or at least Xavier's kingdom.

      They probably won't show her doing it, but I'm betting Eva probably spilled the beans about Cora having had another child before her marriage to Henry, who happened to be fathered by a gardener, and was born out of wedlock. Seeing as that kind of thing was pretty shameful in the Enchanted Forest, that shame probably stopped Henry's accention to the throne.

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    • Henry would not ascend to the throne.  He was fifth in line for the throne when he married Cora. and that type of thing changes constantly, particularly as older siblings have more children. It would seem that, what we saw in the Stable Boy, is that Henry and Cora had a nice country Villa, and a good amount of land. Plus some servants (like Daniel).  So they were still very much nobility, but would never be in line for the throne.

      Which is part of the reason Cora pushed Regina so hard, as Cora was living her dream vicariously through her daughter. and Once Regina got the throne with Leopold, it would not have been long until Cora manipulated things to have Regina sitting on the throne, except for the fact that Cora was banished from FTL at the time of the Wedding.

      And as we have seen, even being banished did not stop Cora from trying to manipulate Regina and the Kingdon for Cora's benefit.

      And to tie all of that back into the topic at hand, I doubt we'll see all of this, but this is the hell that Regina lived through with her Mom, that Zelena does not understand, just as Zelena lived through the hell of abandonment that Regina does not Understand. And I think this episode (which is slated to have Barbara Hershey back) may put to rest some of the bitterness from the dysfunction, and make it possible for Zelena and Regina to mend their fences (I'm not saying redemption for Zelena, just a change in the family dynamic between Zelena and Regina).

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      DarlingDavies wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Well So far, we have

      Better place - Henry, Sr, Herc, and Meg.

      Screwed over in Underbrooke - Milah

      Worst place - none known yet.

      candidates for moving on - Pan, Liam, Cora, Cruella, James, Blind Witch

      My guess is taht Liam will go to the better place (We'll know before this episode airs, since we get Killian and Liam in the Brothers Jones). The rest are up in the air.


      While a minor character, didn't Black Tooth go to the "Worst Place"?
      I thought so too, but as others pointed out, Hades didn't count it when he was counting people who left his domain. The only other possible explinations are he blamed Cora (who he then punished), or he allowed for Black Tooth to go to a different realm, in an attempt to scare off the heroes.

      ok, i can get on board w/ that!  thanks.

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    • Well they are definitly planting the seeds for Zelena to have an all out fight with Cora in this episode. Should be fun to see them interact finally.

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    • So anyone have any new theories about this episode now that we are furthur in the season?

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    • I think there will be a moment where Regina convinces Zelena not to seek revenge on their mother. That revenge is fruitless, yada yada. I think they'll hug...

      Ok ok. To be serious, I really think Regina will pull an all out, Snow/MM style hopefest for Zelena in this episode. Zelena will be a tough egg to crack, but I think knowing that she's a mother too, now, might help soften her and open her up to letting go of all the jealously, anger and pain. And I truly do think they'll seal their sisterhood with a hug.

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    • The scene with Regina and Zelena talking in the Cafe at the end of the Underworld in "Her Handsome Hero" was nice, and I think a bit of foreshadowing.  My suspicion is that Cora, the ever manipulative person that she is, is going to find out about Zelena and Hades, and start to meddle with Zelena in order to convice her to pursue Hades. With an endgame of correcting Cora's current predicament (being eternally a Miller's daughter).  She can't help but try to live her life vicarioiusly through her Daughters.

      Zelena will finally get a taste of what Regina felt all the years, and maybe finally have a glimpse of understanding that what she wanted from Regina was not really so great after all.  And then little Sis Regina will help Zelena find an alternative path that may allow her to be happy (possibly even with Hades, since Regina is more aware of the effects of Love these days) that does not involve Cora's manipulations.

      Henry being able to cross over to the better place was a result of Regina finally breaking Cora's hold on her, and now it's Regina's turn to help Zelena come to a similar place.

      BTW, this is not a full on redemption for Zelena or Hades.  I think anything of that nature will occur in either Firebird or Last Rites. But this episode will set the events in motion that could lead to that ending.

      And for the record, I think Zelena will end up with Hades somehow, and it will be more of the Slow to Medium burn relationship.  Zelena's refusal of the immediate capitulation was a welcome sight, and while it's obvious that she does have feelings for Hades, she's taking a longer path to get to the relationship. Partially, she is at that place where she does not feel she deserves to be loved (a very lonely place), and partially she is very cautious about being used by others (which is also a good quality). She will have to tear down her walls in order for any relationship to happen. As will Hades.

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    • I don't think Cora will try to manipulate any of her daughters when she appears again. In the past she had done that simply because she didn't have a heart. And last time in the Underworld it was because she just is very afraid of Hades. So I hope we'll see honest Cora in this episode, who probably also is somewhat nervous to face Zelena, and will most likely stick to Regina.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      First look at Young Zelena!

      https://twitter.com/SpanishOncers/status/720754570012430337

      Looks amazing!

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:
      First look at Young Zelena!

      https://twitter.com/SpanishOncers/status/720754570012430337

      Looks amazing!

      very good casting, at first glimpse. I cannot wait to see what she's like as a youngster.

      perhaps they'll run the flashbacks of Regina/Zelena as parallel, showing how different they grew up, tit for tat. while Regina was eating her breakfast in a lovely dining room, Zelena is eating hers in that 1 room house. While Regina is enjoying a riding lesson, Zelena is cleaning a horse.

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote:
      First look at Young Zelena!

      https://twitter.com/SpanishOncers/status/720754570012430337

      Looks amazing!
      very good casting, at first glimpse. I cannot wait to see what she's like as a youngster.

      perhaps they'll run the flashbacks of Regina/Zelena as parallel, showing how different they grew up, tit for tat. while Regina was eating her breakfast in a lovely dining room, Zelena is eating hers in that 1 room house. While Regina is enjoying a riding lesson, Zelena is cleaning a horse.

      That would be amazing!

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    • However, while they might show some of the diffences, I hope they also point out how absolutely miserable both of the girls were growing up.  Each had one parent that was a pain (though in different ways), and each had a parent that was supportive (though Zelena's adopted mom died, much to Zelena's regret).

      As a side comment, I am anticipating a side plot on this one with James and David, particularly since there are at least a few similarities with their relationship, as compared to Regina/Zelena.

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    • So I suppose we'll see her adoptive parents again? 

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    • Nakis91 wrote:
      So I suppose we'll see her adoptive parents again? 

      They can probably get away without showing Zelena's mother, but I hope they at least show her father. Bonus points if they confirm he is Nick Chopper (aka the Tinman before he became the Tinman). He certainly is heartless enough.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Nakis91 wrote:
      So I suppose we'll see her adoptive parents again? 
      They can probably get away without showing Zelena's mother, but I hope they at least show her father. Bonus points if they confirm he is Nick Chopper (aka the Tinman before he became the Tinman). He certainly is heartless enough.


      That's my headcanon as well:}

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    • I can agree that it would make sense for Zelena to turn her dad into the TinMan. But that would assume that the man had a heart to begin with, and his actions do seem to indicate otherwise XD

      In all seriousness though, I have not see anything that would indicate that they got the actor (I believe it was Adrian Hough, or something like that) to reprise the role of Zelena's adoptive father, so chances are we will not see them, though we will probably get references to them.

      On the other hand, they definitely have Barbara Hershey back. And it is about time for Cora to meet her abandoned daughter. (that should be an interesting meeting, particularly if Regina is there as well). 

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    • I'm pretty excited for this episode, though I'm wondering what role Pan will play in it because I saw him listed as being in the episode too.

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    • Pan is definitely in, he has scenes with Zelena. I don't wanna hype it, but it sounds like it's gonna be epic, I hope I won't be disappointed. I'm glad Zelena is very involved, though I'm more interested in seeing more of her with the main characters than the pairing with Hades.

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    • Given what has happened every time Rumple gets involved (and if Pan is involved, so is Rumple), someone is going to take a swim in the river of lost souls. So far, it's been Regina helping someone along, Snow helping someone along, Rumple sinking someone, Killian moving someone along, (No movement except for Hades falling for Zelena), Belle sinking someone. Given that we are getting close to the end of the arc (Firebird is the next episode), we may see a lot of action this episode. Regina moving someone else along (or maybe Zelena or Both), David moving someone along, and Rumple sinking someone else.

      Someone remind me to never take Rumple fishing.

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    • It's definitely the last we've seen of Cora and James, maybe Pan. I wonder who will actually stay in the Underworld at the end, Blind Witch and Apprentice, unsure about Cruella.

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    • Looks like a jam packed episode. I'm still a bit miffed they didn't call it "Siblings" when James and David seems to be just as important to the episode as Regina and Zelena. Plus, they also could have had a little hint toward Zeus and Hades as well.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Looks like a jam packed episode. I'm still a bit miffed they didn't call it "Siblings" when James and David seems to be just as important to the episode as Regina and Zelena. Plus, they also could have had a little hint toward Zeus and Hades as well.

      I like it as Sisters, but even that to me is uncreative. You know very well, Regina and Zelena will get at least 50 percent of the episode. It's their episode. James and David is just some cool spiff.

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    • I'm with CDA on this one. Yes, it's going to be a Regina/Zelena Centric episode. But I think a more appropriate title would have been Sibling Rivalry.  Or, if they wanted to go with the Musical title, there was a song by the Kinks called "2 Sisters".  Or "We are Family" maybe, depending on how they want this episode to go?  there are any number of titles that would be better than the generic "Sisters" that we have.

      However, our comments about the title are pointless. I'm just not sure where they will take this one, what with Zelena trying to respond to Hades (does she have something up her sleeve? Is she really trying to help "the bookworm" somehow?), James and David fighting, and James threatening Robin (could this be his doom? dunh, dunh, dunh!) and Cora talking with Regina (I wasn't sure if she was trying to prevent or provoke a confrontation between Zelena and Regina).

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I'm with CDA on this one. Yes, it's going to be a Regina/Zelena Centric episode. But I think a more appropriate title would have been Sibling Rivalry.  Or, if they wanted to go with the Musical title, there was a song by the Kinks called "2 Sisters".  Or "We are Family" maybe, depending on how they want this episode to go?  there are any number of titles that would be better than the generic "Sisters" that we have.

      However, our comments about the title are pointless. I'm just not sure where they will take this one, what with Zelena trying to respond to Hades (does she have something up her sleeve? Is she really trying to help "the bookworm" somehow?), James and David fighting, and James threatening Robin (could this be his doom? dunh, dunh, dunh!) and Cora talking with Regina (I wasn't sure if she was trying to prevent or provoke a confrontation between Zelena and Regina).

      Yeah, I would go with Sibling Rivalry.

      I think Zelena is playing Hades, but will get suckered in, while Reigna tries to convince her not to. Then Hades will be revealed to be plawing Zelena via message from Cora.

      I think it could be Robin's doom even though they should have had him and Pistachio jump realms with Snow and Red. James does bring up a point though, what if James shoot Robin? Does nothing happen and he just gets a tombstone. Plus, it appears that he slips to cuff on Emma. Why does everyone have that? There was only one! Cora's cuff, that Pan enchanted and now it's made it's way here. And the tazer! Maybe it died too. XD

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I'm with CDA on this one. Yes, it's going to be a Regina/Zelena Centric episode. But I think a more appropriate title would have been Sibling Rivalry.  Or, if they wanted to go with the Musical title, there was a song by the Kinks called "2 Sisters".  Or "We are Family" maybe, depending on how they want this episode to go?  there are any number of titles that would be better than the generic "Sisters" that we have.

      However, our comments about the title are pointless. I'm just not sure where they will take this one, what with Zelena trying to respond to Hades (does she have something up her sleeve? Is she really trying to help "the bookworm" somehow?), James and David fighting, and James threatening Robin (could this be his doom? dunh, dunh, dunh!) and Cora talking with Regina (I wasn't sure if she was trying to prevent or provoke a confrontation between Zelena and Regina).

      Yeah, I would go with Sibling Rivalry.

      I think Zelena is playing Hades, but will get suckered in, while Reigna tries to convince her not to. Then Hades will be revealed to be plawing Zelena via message from Cora.

      I think it could be Robin's doom even though they should have had him and Pistachio jump realms with Snow and Red. James does bring up a point though, what if James shoot Robin? Does nothing happen and he just gets a tombstone. Plus, it appears that he slips to cuff on Emma. Why does everyone have that? There was only one! Cora's cuff, that Pan enchanted and now it's made it's way here. And the tazer! Maybe it died too. XD

      Who's Pistachio?

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    • MyPretties wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I'm with CDA on this one. Yes, it's going to be a Regina/Zelena Centric episode. But I think a more appropriate title would have been Sibling Rivalry.  Or, if they wanted to go with the Musical title, there was a song by the Kinks called "2 Sisters".  Or "We are Family" maybe, depending on how they want this episode to go?  there are any number of titles that would be better than the generic "Sisters" that we have.

      However, our comments about the title are pointless. I'm just not sure where they will take this one, what with Zelena trying to respond to Hades (does she have something up her sleeve? Is she really trying to help "the bookworm" somehow?), James and David fighting, and James threatening Robin (could this be his doom? dunh, dunh, dunh!) and Cora talking with Regina (I wasn't sure if she was trying to prevent or provoke a confrontation between Zelena and Regina).

      Yeah, I would go with Sibling Rivalry.

      I think Zelena is playing Hades, but will get suckered in, while Reigna tries to convince her not to. Then Hades will be revealed to be plawing Zelena via message from Cora.

      I think it could be Robin's doom even though they should have had him and Pistachio jump realms with Snow and Red. James does bring up a point though, what if James shoot Robin? Does nothing happen and he just gets a tombstone. Plus, it appears that he slips to cuff on Emma. Why does everyone have that? There was only one! Cora's cuff, that Pan enchanted and now it's made it's way here. And the tazer! Maybe it died too. XD

      Who's Pistachio?

      Baby Hood.

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    • Pistachio is Baby Hood XD

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      MyPretties wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I'm with CDA on this one. Yes, it's going to be a Regina/Zelena Centric episode. But I think a more appropriate title would have been Sibling Rivalry.  Or, if they wanted to go with the Musical title, there was a song by the Kinks called "2 Sisters".  Or "We are Family" maybe, depending on how they want this episode to go?  there are any number of titles that would be better than the generic "Sisters" that we have.

      However, our comments about the title are pointless. I'm just not sure where they will take this one, what with Zelena trying to respond to Hades (does she have something up her sleeve? Is she really trying to help "the bookworm" somehow?), James and David fighting, and James threatening Robin (could this be his doom? dunh, dunh, dunh!) and Cora talking with Regina (I wasn't sure if she was trying to prevent or provoke a confrontation between Zelena and Regina).

      Yeah, I would go with Sibling Rivalry.
      I think Zelena is playing Hades, but will get suckered in, while Reigna tries to convince her not to. Then Hades will be revealed to be plawing Zelena via message from Cora.

      I think it could be Robin's doom even though they should have had him and Pistachio jump realms with Snow and Red. James does bring up a point though, what if James shoot Robin? Does nothing happen and he just gets a tombstone. Plus, it appears that he slips to cuff on Emma. Why does everyone have that? There was only one! Cora's cuff, that Pan enchanted and now it's made it's way here. And the tazer! Maybe it died too. XD

      Who's Pistachio?
      Baby Hood.

      I hope thats just a nickname for him and that they didn't actually name him Pistachio.

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    • This episode is going to be the worst!! I'm 1000% over Regina and her family! Never liked ANY of them, but now it's an episode about all 3!? Regina needs to stop with this whole 'sister' thing.

      However the two brothers look entertaining.

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    • Can't wait for this episode ! So many things that I wanted to happen will/or may happen !

      -More on Regina's backstory before she was the Evil Queen -David meets James -Possible Zelena meets Cora

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    • Can you imagine if this episode ends and Zelena doesn't meet Cora? Oh the meltdowns...

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    • Nakis91 wrote:
      Can you imagine if this episode ends and Zelena doesn't meet Cora? Oh the meltdowns...

      I recall that the set visitors confirmed that Bex and Barbara filmed together. Not to mention, Bex teased the Cora and Zelena interaction at a convenntion, saying it's going to be "one Hell of a reunion". It would have been a huge missed opportunity otherwise. Plus, they've been setting it up, when Hades brought Zelena up with Cora. Pretty sure that Zelena is a huge part of Cora's unfinished business. There's a lot unresolved between the two. 

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    • So it seems ABC is now back to the "press release, we need to release a press release?" for Once this week. Hopefully we get it today.

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    • I think sometimes, they withhold the press release when there may be something extra spoilery revealed. Where as they might release a press announcement early if they want to particularly hype up a particular episode. (and that's not just Once, imo, that's TV in general).

      Of course, they could just be getting sloppy.

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    • REGINA TURNS TO CORA FOR HELP WITH ZELENA,

      ON ABC’S ‘ONCE UPON A TIME’

      Barbara Hershey Guest Stars as Cora, Robbie Kay as Peter Pan and Greg Germann as Hades

      “Sisters” — Now that Hades and Zelena are reunited, Hades tells Zelena that he wants a future with her outside of the Underworld. All she needs to do is heal his heart with True Love’s Kiss so they can leave the Underworld and trap the heroes there for eternity. When Regina overhears of this plan, she enlists Cora’s help to find a way to separate Zelena from Hades. However, Cora reveals a family secret that could change Regina and Zelena’s lives forever. Meanwhile, David finally meets James, only to realize that his twin is determined to seek revenge on him for stealing the life he could have had, on “Once Upon a Time,” SUNDAY, APRIL 24 (8:00–9:00 p.m. EDT), on the ABC Television Network.

      “Once Upon a Time” stars Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Lana Parrilla as the Evil Queen/Regina, Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David, Emilie de Ravin as Belle, Colin O’Donoghue as Hook, Jared S. Gilmore as Henry Mills, Sean Maguire as Robin Hood, Rebecca Mader as the Wicked Witch/Zelena and Robert Carlyle as Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold.

      Guest stars include Barbara Hershey as Cora, Robbie Kay as Peter Pan, Victoria Smufit as Cruella De Vil, Tony Perez as Valet, Adrian Hough as Woodcutter, Ava Acres as Young Regina, Isabella Blake-Thomas as Young Zelena, Romuald Hivert as Guard and Greg Germann as Hades.

      “Sisters” was written by David H. Goodman & Brigitte Hales and directed by Romeo Tirone.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      However, Cora reveals a family secret that could change Regina and Zelena’s lives forever. 

      Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

      O_________O

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    • Based on the PR, The Mills family in past must have walked across the rainbow to Oz and Regina and Zelena met as kids. It would explain how Cora knew Zelena's name (probably by easedropping). Hopefully, either Oz is in the same world as EF, or they can bring back the infamous magic bean (or Jefferson's predecessor). And I'd be even happier to tell what happened to Xavier's kingdom and why they moved to the wonderful estate otherwise than just because. Wonder who rules it (My theory had been that Phillip and Regina are cousins).

      Plot B: David and James tussle over stupidity. Emma, Hook, Cruella and Robin get sucked in.

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    • Yep, the only thing I can think of is that they had already met as children but Cora erased their memories. We will probably see them as friends in the flashback.

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    • Alright, looks like a good episode. Super happy that Regina's father and Zelena's father both appear as well. I knew it!

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    • It'll turn out that their either a) NOT ACTUALLY SIBLINGS AT ALL... or b) that they're NOT half-siblings but full siblings... or they swapped hearts as kids or something...

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    • How many family secrets can Cora have? My word! And what could possibly be shocking enough that it could affect both Zelena and Regina?  Let me guess? Jonathan, the gardener that impregnated Cora with Zelena, is going to turn out to be Zeus in disguise. The family tree implications of that just make my head reel. (the Jonathan is Zeus in disguise is not a serioius guess, and I hope they don't go that way).

      And just how are David and James going to resolve their little difference? Hopefully not at the expense of Robin's life.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Jonathan, the gardener that impregnated Cora with Zelena, is going to turn out to be Zeus in disguise. 

      That was a pretty common thing in greek mythology


      Zelena being a demigod would be ridiculous, though

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Jonathan, the gardener that impregnated Cora with Zelena, is going to turn out to be Zeus in disguise. 
      That was a pretty common thing in greek mythology


      Zelena being a demigod would be ridiculous, though

      It would explain how Zelena was so powerful, seeing as she wasn't born as the product of true love.

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    • MyPretties wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Jonathan, the gardener that impregnated Cora with Zelena, is going to turn out to be Zeus in disguise. 
      That was a pretty common thing in greek mythology


      Zelena being a demigod would be ridiculous, though

      It would explain how Zelena was so powerful, seeing as she wasn't born as the product of true love.

      But then wouldn't Hades be pining after his... niece? The family tree is so messed up.

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    • MyPretties wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Jonathan, the gardener that impregnated Cora with Zelena, is going to turn out to be Zeus in disguise. 
      That was a pretty common thing in greek mythology


      Zelena being a demigod would be ridiculous, though

      It would explain how Zelena was so powerful, seeing as she wasn't born as the product of true love.

      Zelena's magic did spark like electricity in a recent episode. XD (I know I'm pushing it)

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    • Mowgli's Road wrote:
      MyPretties wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Jonathan, the gardener that impregnated Cora with Zelena, is going to turn out to be Zeus in disguise. 
      That was a pretty common thing in greek mythology


      Zelena being a demigod would be ridiculous, though

      It would explain how Zelena was so powerful, seeing as she wasn't born as the product of true love.
      But then wouldn't Hades be pining after his... niece? The family tree is so messed up.

      Well in Greek mythology, Persephone was Zeus's daughter, but Hades still fell for her anyways.

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    • And that cyclone that took baby Zelena to Oz.... maybe Zeus was helping her?


      And maybe Hades knows about this and he is using Zelena against her own father? Like he did with Hercules in the Disney film

      o_O

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      And that cyclone that took baby Zelena to Oz.... maybe Zeus was helping her?


      And maybe Hades knows about this and he is using Zelena against her own father? Like he did with Hercules in the Disney film

      o_O

      Could be. Zeus is God of the skys.....and them being green and Zelena's magic being green. Zelena's magic crackling like electricity. Zelena first being a potential and more powerful light magic user. Zelena disguising herself to sleep with people (like Zeus) and Zeus and Zelena both start with the letter Z..........guys, stop this!

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    • Another family secret retcon?!? :/ this is ridiculous.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Another family secret retcon?!? :/ this is ridiculous.

      If Jonathan isn't Zeus, then the secret will likely be ridiculous. But we've seen as of the premiere that Cora knows who Zelena is, even her spirit form in 3b knew who of her.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      Another family secret retcon?!? :/ this is ridiculous.
      If Jonathan isn't Zeus, then the secret will likely be ridiculous. But we've seen as of the premiere that Cora knows who Zelena is, even her spirit form in 3b knew who of her.

      Why would Jonathan be Zeus? Why would Zues trick a woman into sleeping with him and then abandon her even he learned she was pregnant? Why would he try to help Hercules to get to Mount Olympus and not Zelena? Is he a misogynist? Why would they pair Hades with his niece?

      I'm pretty sure that Jonathan is not Zeus and the secret is Zelena and Regina knew each other when they were younger and they were even friends, Cora didn't approve and erased their memories. Ridiculous.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      Another family secret retcon?!? :/ this is ridiculous.
      If Jonathan isn't Zeus, then the secret will likely be ridiculous. But we've seen as of the premiere that Cora knows who Zelena is, even her spirit form in 3b knew who of her.
      Why would Jonathan be Zeus? Why would Zues trick a woman into sleeping with him and then abandon her even he learned she was pregnant? Why would he try to help Hercules to get to Mount Olympus and not Zelena? Is he a misogynist? Why would they pair Hades with his niece?

      I'm pretty sure that Jonathan is not Zeus and the secret is Zelena and Regina knew each other when they were younger and they were even friends, Cora didn't approve and erased their memories. Ridiculous.

      You're most likely right, but why can't I have fun. Chances are Zeus rejected Zelena because she's "wicked" and only heroes are allowed in Olympus.

      Then we'll see flashbacks of Cora in a tavern with a swan (I'm sure you'll get the hint XD).

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    • Zelena as a demi-godess? Uh...I guess that would be okay but it brings incest into the show if Hades lusts for his own neice.

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    • MyPretties wrote:
      Mowgli's Road wrote:
      MyPretties wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Jonathan, the gardener that impregnated Cora with Zelena, is going to turn out to be Zeus in disguise. 
      That was a pretty common thing in greek mythology


      Zelena being a demigod would be ridiculous, though

      It would explain how Zelena was so powerful, seeing as she wasn't born as the product of true love.
      But then wouldn't Hades be pining after his... niece? The family tree is so messed up.
      Well in Greek mythology, Persephone was Zeus's daughter, but Hades still fell for her anyways.

      Not only is it Zeus's daughter, it is also Demeter's daughter, and Demeter is Hades and Zeus's sister. Yeah, the Greek Gods are weird. XD

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      Another family secret retcon?!? :/ this is ridiculous.
      If Jonathan isn't Zeus, then the secret will likely be ridiculous. But we've seen as of the premiere that Cora knows who Zelena is, even her spirit form in 3b knew who of her.
      Why would Jonathan be Zeus? Why would Zues trick a woman into sleeping with him and then abandon her even he learned she was pregnant? Why would he try to help Hercules to get to Mount Olympus and not Zelena? Is he a misogynist? Why would they pair Hades with his niece?

      I'm pretty sure that Jonathan is not Zeus and the secret is Zelena and Regina knew each other when they were younger and they were even friends, Cora didn't approve and erased their memories. Ridiculous.

      You're most likely right, but why can't I have fun. Chances are Zeus rejected Zelena because she's "wicked" and only heroes are allowed in Olympus.

      Then we'll see flashbacks of Cora in a tavern with a swan (I'm sure you'll get the hint XD).

      It is fun to speculate. I mean, it's a message board! Embrace it!

      I know it was wasn't a serious theory posed, but in Greek mythology, Zeus really did um....come down off Olympus and spread it around. So hey, anything is possible. I like the theory.

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    • The first sneak peek was okay and it confirms a few things:

      1. The TLK will start Hades' heart and release him from remaining in the Underworld.

      2. The Underworld is separate from Hades, so is he is freed, the UW still exists.

      3. Hades was that stupid to let Hook possess that power.

      4. Hook was stupid to not mention that power.

      5. Hades doesn't let the plot point drop off and just wrote all of them on tombstones, so I guess he got bored of his game. Lol, if it wasn't for his games, he'd solve that swtcheroo thingy before it happened, but I guess he was relishing in Auntie Em's tears (and other bodily juices).

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    • I just watched the sneak peak and it was awesome

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    • I honestly wouldn't blame zelena if she took Hades offer she gets to keep her daughter and get rid of all her enemies this is exactly the same as what Regina wanted to do at the end of season two when she planned to destroy storybrooke with everyone in it except her and Henry

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    • However I do think she will change her mind at the end and decides to help her sister and the others

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    • I don't think Hades will be getting that TLK from Zelena, haha.

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    • Find promo images here: Sisters/Gallery

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    • Well well.... that was a long sneak peek

      I think Zelena is pulling a Severus Snape

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    • Mowgli's Road wrote:
      MyPretties wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Jonathan, the gardener that impregnated Cora with Zelena, is going to turn out to be Zeus in disguise. 
      That was a pretty common thing in greek mythology


      Zelena being a demigod would be ridiculous, though

      It would explain how Zelena was so powerful, seeing as she wasn't born as the product of true love.
      But then wouldn't Hades be pining after his... niece? The family tree is so messed up.

      The Greek Gods don't work like a normal family. They aren't related by DNA. (At lease, that's how Percy Jackson explained how demi-gods can date each other.) So, if Jonathan really is Zeus, that still isn't as messed up.

      But, consider this. Do Zelena and Regina KNOW that Zelena is illegitemate? The revelation that you are the dictionary definition of a bastard child is a pretty big bombshell.

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    • Yes. Zelena knows

      She said it in 3x16

      She can see the past. Zelena saw young Cora abandoning her in 5x16

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    • WilliamOliver11 wrote:
      Mowgli's Road wrote:
      MyPretties wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Jonathan, the gardener that impregnated Cora with Zelena, is going to turn out to be Zeus in disguise. 
      That was a pretty common thing in greek mythology


      Zelena being a demigod would be ridiculous, though

      It would explain how Zelena was so powerful, seeing as she wasn't born as the product of true love.
      But then wouldn't Hades be pining after his... niece? The family tree is so messed up.
      The Greek Gods don't work like a normal family. They aren't related by DNA. (At lease, that's how Percy Jackson explained how demi-gods can date each other.) So, if Jonathan really is Zeus, that still isn't as messed up.

      But, consider this. Do Zelena and Regina KNOW that Zelena is illegitemate? The revelation that you are the dictionary definition of a bastard child is a pretty big bombshell.

      Zelena said something to Regina to the effect of "We're sisters. Well, half sisters if you want to get technical." in 3B, so they both should know.

      Anyway, sneak peek was okay. I think the first sneak peek they give is usually very exposition-y, and the second one is more fun and exciting, so hopefully I will like that one better.

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    • In the pics, Cora is not wearing her miller's daughter attire. Maybe a goof?

      Also, the sneak peek was good. Glad that Hades decided to put everyones names on the graves but who is everyone else. I guess it is Regina, Emma, Charming, Henry, Robin but does it inlcude Belle, Gold and Baby Hood? Especially since Belle and Gold haven't really gone against Hades rules and instead have helped him with increasing the number of people in the river.

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    • Personally, I believe that Jonathan is not Zelena's father and that Rumple is and that Zelena is Rumple's second born child... which is why Hades wants her in the Underworld; it fulfils his deal and gets Rumple back to our world and let free to murder again. He was scaring Belle to make her react like she did with Gaston to get more souls.

      And, concerning the person above who worried about incest, A&E will probably go down the route of: she's bio family... so it can't be true love in any way other than platonic/familial, rather than romantic.

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    • HarryPotterRules1 wrote:
      Personally, I believe that Jonathan is not Zelena's father and that Rumple is and that Zelena is Rumple's second born child... which is why Hades wants her in the Underworld; it fulfils his deal and gets Rumple back to our world and let free to murder again.

      He was scaring Belle to make her react like she did with Gaston to get more souls.

      And, concerning the person above who worried about incest, A&E will probably go down the route of: she's bio family... so it can't be true love in any way other than platonic/familial, rather than romantic.

      It is just completely impossible. Timeline wise. Cora first met Rumple a waaaaay after Zelena's banishment to Oz.

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    • Or, even better, Hades is using Zelena for the time travel spell. Remember in Oz? Zelena is the symbol of innocence... which you need for a Time Travel spell -- Zelena just used a baby because that was convenient for her at the time, but Oz implies Zelena herself could qualify for it. Maybe that's what Hades wants her for? She kisses him, and he can leave the Underworld... and then he can cast the time travel spell using Zelena, leading to episodes 22 and 23, which, with Henry, Gold and Violet in NY seems to be a "what if?" episode again, implying he succeeds.

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      In the pics, Cora is not wearing her miller's daughter attire. Maybe a goof?

      Also, the sneak peek was good. Glad that Hades decided to put everyones names on the graves but who is everyone else. I guess it is Regina, Emma, Charming, Henry, Robin but does it inlcude Belle, Gold and Baby Hood? Especially since Belle and Gold haven't really gone against Hades rules and instead have helped him with increasing the number of people in the river.

      She probably just used magic to change back into her normal attire. And Baby Hood can't get her name on the tombstone because she doesn't have a name, that is the reason why Robin decided to delay naming her. I still hope for Pistachio.

      I don't think Rumple will be on there, maybe because of him already having been in the Underworld and he can't force him back again or something. Maybe he doesn't care about Belle (or can't because she is in the Netherworld now), Hook's tombstone should still be there. So assume that Henry and Robin got their name added.

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    • HarryPotterRules1 wrote:
      Personally, I believe that Jonathan is not Zelena's father and that Rumple is and that Zelena is Rumple's second born child... which is why Hades wants her in the Underworld; it fulfils his deal and gets Rumple back to our world and let free to murder again.

      He was scaring Belle to make her react like she did with Gaston to get more souls.

      And, concerning the person above who worried about incest, A&E will probably go down the route of: she's bio family... so it can't be true love in any way other than platonic/familial, rather than romantic.

      They won't make Zelena Rumple's child after they had a make out session. I don't understand why it's hard to get that Zelena's father is just a petty gardner and nothing more, why is there a need for a "twist" or something?!

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    • Farerb wrote:

      HarryPotterRules1 wrote:
      Personally, I believe that Jonathan is not Zelena's father and that Rumple is and that Zelena is Rumple's second born child... which is why Hades wants her in the Underworld; it fulfils his deal and gets Rumple back to our world and let free to murder again.

      He was scaring Belle to make her react like she did with Gaston to get more souls.

      And, concerning the person above who worried about incest, A&E will probably go down the route of: she's bio family... so it can't be true love in any way other than platonic/familial, rather than romantic.

      They won't make Zelena Rumple's child after they had a make out session. I don't understand why it's hard to get that Zelena's father is just a petty gardner and nothing more, why is there a need for a "twist" or something?!

      I meant "biological father" and he's in disguise as Jonathan.

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    • HarryPotterRules1 wrote:

      Farerb wrote:


      HarryPotterRules1 wrote:
      Personally, I believe that Jonathan is not Zelena's father and that Rumple is and that Zelena is Rumple's second born child... which is why Hades wants her in the Underworld; it fulfils his deal and gets Rumple back to our world and let free to murder again.

      He was scaring Belle to make her react like she did with Gaston to get more souls.

      And, concerning the person above who worried about incest, A&E will probably go down the route of: she's bio family... so it can't be true love in any way other than platonic/familial, rather than romantic.

      They won't make Zelena Rumple's child after they had a make out session. I don't understand why it's hard to get that Zelena's father is just a petty gardner and nothing more, why is there a need for a "twist" or something?!
      I meant "biological father" and he's in disguise as Jonathan.

      I'm going to doubt that because of several reasons and more noticeably, Hades says he's going to take Belle's baby which means that that is Rumple's second child. Rumple didn't know Cora before he met her. Rumple made out with Zelena. Cora had Zelena before Rumple met Cora and knew nothing about her, while Jonathan knew about Cora's firstborn. And the list can go on.....

      No more discussion about incest, because (it's not going to happen, won't ever happen, and is implausible and impossible and improbable given the information we know) not related to the subject at hand.

      Even more so, the secret is about Regina and Zelena, not Zelena and Rumple, words and names are given to imply that it's going to affect Regina's and Zelena's relationship, nothing else.

      On another note, Hades has a baby or two he can use for innocence, so I doubt he's planning on using Zelena, but her baby is more likely.

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    • All I have to say is that Hades "popping the Question" (can you really call it anything else) just makes me want to throw up in my mouth.  I really hope that Zelena ends up turning him down yet again.  She can do so much better than Hades, and she deserves better.

      However, the scene was very well played.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      All I have to say is that Hades "popping the Question" (can you really call it anything else) just makes me want to throw up in my mouth.  I really hope that Zelena ends up turning him down yet again.  She can do so much better than Hades, and she deserves better.

      However, the scene was very well played.

      What do you mean? It was romantic and lovely and....and Hades is clearly manipulating her. Zelena couldn't have anyone better.

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    • I just noticed that Cora looked like Rose Mcgowan Cora when they summoned her soul in 3x18, but in this season, we are seeing her as Barbara Hershey Cora

      Is that a goof?

      Oh yeah.... my questions are pointless

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I just noticed that Cora looked like Rose Mcgowan Cora when they summoned her soul in 3x18, but in this season, we are seeing her as Barbara Hershey Cora

      Is that a goof?

      Oh yeah.... my questions are pointless

      That is not at all relevant to this episode and the answer is Rose was on hand fir that episode, so why not just kill two birds?

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I just noticed that Cora looked like Rose Mcgowan Cora when they summoned her soul in 3x18, but in this season, we are seeing her as Barbara Hershey Cora

      Is that a goof?

      Oh yeah.... my questions are pointless

      Barbara Hershey probably wasn't available for the filming of that episode.

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    • Besides, the story behind "Bleeding Through" was from Cora's younger days, specifically that days that Rose McGowan portrays. and we don't know the rules about how an apparition appears when summoned.

      and not only are the questions pointless, the answers are equally pointless. XD

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    • Second sneak peek out! And that's the end of that fight! So, Seeing how the sneak peeks are usually within the first five minutes, I'm guessing that James will play David and when the gang least expects it, he turns on them. I don't really get his feelings against David, but even morso, I don't get what he wants.

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    • It's so hilarious that Josh had to play against himself, but he did a good job. Also, I'm glad we finally got more of The Prince and The Pauper going on, it is about time.

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    • Ok.....

      I guess he wants to take Charming's place and trade his life to get back to the real world

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    • I hope they don't do that, though it would be a very interesting twist for Snowing. (In fact, it would literally destroy Snowing as a ship).

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I hope they don't do that, though it would be a very interesting twist for Snowing. (In fact, it would literally destroy Snowing as a ship).

      I now realized why they did what they did with the slippers. Oh how the plot falls together XD.

      They send Snow away so that they would have a hard time figuring things out and they have Robin and Baby Hood still here because James needs someone to threaten because it surely can't be Hook and it won't be Emma because she'll be the one given an ultimatum.

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    • http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/once-a-time-rebecca-mader-886581

      Compared to some of the other big reveals throughout Once Upon a Time’s history, would you say this is the top of the top of secrets coming out?  

      "Yes. It is up there. It is absolutely up there, and also because it’s about me, obviously as an actor it’s going to be my favorite. (Laughs.) It’s definitely my number one. "


      And the title of the article: 'Once Upon a Time' Star Talks "Vulnerable" Zelena, "Mind-Blowing" Family Reveal JUM...

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    • I have a feeling, with James, that he's going to unintentionally help the main characters and then end up goopified by Hades... and Pan, possibly, might be the same as he's not been seen filming for any of the others and this seems to be his last for s5.

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    • Alright, new script tease from Adam confirming Belle is in the episode, doing what she does best: sleeping. XD

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Alright, new script tease from Adam confirming Belle is in the episode, doing what she does best: sleeping. XD

      To be fair we've only seen Belle sleeping a few times. Perhaps this is her chance to shine... as an extension of the furniture! xD

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    • Belle sleeping or babysitting. Great character development from OUAT's master storytellers.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Belle sleeping or babysitting. Great character development from OUAT's master storytellers.

      So, since they are so bad at writing Belle character, how they should have explain her necessary absence? :)

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    • I get why they did this this time (because of Emilie's pregancy), but it is still funny how often we see Belle sleeping on this show. It's like she's the real sleeping beauty. XD

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