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  • Something I noticed in the Galleries were that if a characters glamours into another one (e.g. Zelena glamours into Marian), the images of Zelena in Marians form will be on Marian's Gallery. I think we should change it because if Zelena glamoured into Marian, it's still Zelena, just in another form, and the galleries are for the characters. Thoughts?

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    • Well, for the most part we thought she was Marian and she did take the glamour in the form of Marian. Otherwise, we'd have little to no pictures of Marian.

      I guess it's iffy. Rumple glamoured as Regina, but would we put that image as Rumple. I would say so and I would agree with you. Cora had glamoured as Regina, Henry and Lancelot and those pics technically will go in the magic user's gallery. At least they should.

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    • They should be in both characters galleries.

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    • I think it's worth pointing out here, that the Darkness manifests itself as Rumplestiltskin in 5a, but we don't include those images in his gallery.

      Not the same thing, but very similar and worth thinking about in this discussion.

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    • Did this discussion ever come to a conclusion? Zelena!Marian's pics are still in Maid Marian's gallery.

      I think they belong in the actual character's gallery (meaning, Zelena!Marian goes in Zelena's, not Marian's). There's actually a picture of Marian turning into Zelena (a weird face-morph picture that's kind of cool honestly) which would make a lot more sense in Zelena's gallery than Marian's.

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    • The same issue applies to Rapunzel and Gothel now. We know what Rapunzel looks like, but we haven't seen the character. And she is listed to have appeared in the "Appearances" section for "Eloise Gardener", when we know that isn't the case. I think it the galleries should be changed, and I think that a new caption should be made for the "Appearances" section, if a characters appear in a shapeshifted form of some one else (e.g. We had Zelena as Marian, Gideon as Aesop, Jafar as Eric and Gothel as Rapunzel, when none of the characters they shapeshifted as, appeared, in the episodes)

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    • Even if it is glamor, they appear, their credit remains etc. etc.

      I think that the images could be in both galleries, but changing cast lists and appearances are out of question, imo.

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      Even if it is glamor, they appear, their credit remains etc. etc.

      I think that the images could be in both galleries, but changing cast lists and appearances are out of question, imo.

      This.

      Plus, we already discussed that a lot. The Zelena/Marian case should be the pattern to how we deal with these situations.

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    • I don't think we should change cast lists, but I think in the Appearances section, rather than it saying "Appeared", when a character, didn't, it should say something like "In glamored Form" - or something like that.

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    • If people want, I think we could find a way to note in the page a small section sort of "Portrayals" to list every different actor portrarying the character, regardless of credit.

      Something like:

      • Throughout the series, Regina has been portrayed by:
        • Ava Acres
        • Lana Parilla
        • Jennifer Juniper Angeli
        • Harold Davies
        • Rebecca Mader etc. etc. etc.

      We could discuss a format or the best way to list it, but I think we could have a simple way to find disguised portrayals (others too, but especially the disguised ones), because that kind of info is currently found only in the cast pages, not in the characters.

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    • Because Robert never portrayed Regina.

      Saying that Regina has been portrayed by Robert would mean that Robert actually portrayed directly Regina. That's not the case, he just portrayed Rumple, who turned out to be Regina disguised as him.

      They still did their characters, even if they turned out to be glamor. So yeah, even if it turned out to be Regina, Robert and Rumple stil appeared.

      There is a difference between BTS stuff and plot points. Same for Gil/Eric in 615. Gil still played Eric in the episode, the fact that it turned out to be Jafar is a plot point and does not mean that Gil or Eric did not appear.

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    • But when a glamor happens, they are not portraying their characters. Yes Gil appeared, but he never played Eric in that episode. He played Jafar pretending to be Eric. That character didn't appear.

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    • Lola987 wrote:
      But when a glamor happens, they are not portraying their characters. Yes Gil appeared, but he never played Eric in that episode. He played Jafar pretending to be Eric. That character didn't appear.


      He played Eric. The fact that it is a glamor spell is a plot point. Gil's role is to play Eric. From the moment the character appears, then it is an appearance. Wheter it is the real one or not.

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    • Many actors on the show have played various roles. Josh Dallas for example wasn't credited as Prince James when he appeared, but that doesn't mean Prince James never appeared. I personally don't see it as an appearance.

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    • Lola987 wrote:
      Many actors on the show have played various roles. Josh Dallas for example wasn't credited as Prince James when he appeared, but that doesn't mean Prince James never appeared. I personally don't see it as an appearance.


      This has nothing to do with our cases, and it is completely different.

      James and David are too different characters. Gil was not playing the twin bro of Eric. Meegan was not playing the twin sister of Rapunzel. They were still playing their own characters. The fact that they turned out to be glamor do not mean that they did not appear, even if they were not the real ones.

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    • We're both interpreting it differently, so what does everyone else think about this?

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      If people want, I think we could find a way to note in the page a small section sort of "Portrayals" to list every different actor portrarying the character, regardless of credit.

      Something like:

      • Throughout the series, Regina has been portrayed by:
        • Ava Acres
        • Lana Parilla
        • Jennifer Juniper Angeli
        • Harold Davies
        • Rebecca Mader etc. etc. etc.

      We could discuss a format or the best way to list it, but I think we could have a simple way to find disguised portrayals (others too, but especially the disguised ones), because that kind of info is currently found only in the cast pages, not in the characters.

      I like this approach but as Lady says, it is differnt, rather it would be on Rumple's page as Rumplestiltskin was portrayed by Lana Parilla in "It's Not Easy Being Green" as an examlpe :)

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      FrancisPaul wrote:
      If people want, I think we could find a way to note in the page a small section sort of "Portrayals" to list every different actor portrarying the character, regardless of credit.

      Something like:

      • Throughout the series, Regina has been portrayed by:
        • Ava Acres
        • Lana Parilla
        • Jennifer Juniper Angeli
        • Harold Davies
        • Rebecca Mader etc. etc. etc.

      We could discuss a format or the best way to list it, but I think we could have a simple way to find disguised portrayals (others too, but especially the disguised ones), because that kind of info is currently found only in the cast pages, not in the characters.

      I like this approach but as Lady says, it is differnt, rather it would be on Rumple's page as Rumplestiltskin was portrayed by Lana Parilla in "It's Not Easy Being Green" as an examlpe :)

      Yes, I made a mistake, I mean what you said, Rumple was portrayed by Lana

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    • The images should be on the original one's gallery. It doesn't matter what we see, because it's a glamour spell, which change people's perception, not the caster. Zelena was always Zelena. She was never Marian. It's just an illusion, which means not real. 

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    • As far as galleries go, I think that when a character shifts into someone else those pictures should go in the galleries for both the character that's shifting and the character who they're shifting into. Any pictures of Marian in 4a should go both in her gallery and in Zelena's. In 4x14 when Gold pretends to be Hook - those pictures should be in both Gold and Hook's galleries. Cora/Blue 2x15, Zelena/Ariel 3x17, Zelena/Regina 5x01, Hook/Henry 5x11, Cora/Henry Sr. 5x12, etc. This also applies for Rumple/Darkness - those pictures should be in both their galleries because it's Rumple's physical form, but it's the Darkness we're seeing.

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    • DeviousPeep wrote:
      As far as galleries go, I think that when a character shifts into someone else those pictures should go in the galleries for both the character that's shifting and the character who they're shifting into. Any pictures of Marian in 4a should go both in her gallery and in Zelena's. In 4x14 when Gold pretends to be Hook - those pictures should be in both Gold and Hook's galleries. Cora/Blue 2x15, Zelena/Ariel 3x17, Zelena/Regina 5x01, Hook/Henry 5x11, Cora/Henry Sr. 5x12, etc. This also applies for Rumple/Darkness - those pictures should be in both their galleries because it's Rumple's physical form, but it's the Darkness we're seeing.


      Agree

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    • DeviousPeep wrote: As far as galleries go, I think that when a character shifts into someone else those pictures should go in the galleries for both the character that's shifting and the character who they're shifting into. Any pictures of Marian in 4a should go both in her gallery and in Zelena's. In 4x14 when Gold pretends to be Hook - those pictures should be in both Gold and Hook's galleries. Cora/Blue 2x15, Zelena/Ariel 3x17, Zelena/Regina 5x01, Hook/Henry 5x11, Cora/Henry Sr. 5x12, etc. This also applies for Rumple/Darkness - those pictures should be in both their galleries because it's Rumple's physical form, but it's the Darkness we're seeing.

      I also agree.

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    • agree

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    • Agree, 

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    • Agree as well. Regarding apperences, that is tricky. The whole point of the characters using the glamour is to trick people into thinking they are the other people (including the audience most of the time), but from an in-universe perspective, they are not those people. Like Eric in 615 technically never appered, that was just Jafar pretending to be Eric. Credit wise, of course they credit Gil as Eric, because they don't want to spoil the surprise, but really it was Gil as Jafar as Eric. Speaking of glamours, do we have a list page for all of them? Might be a fun and useful page to have.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Speaking of glamours, do we have a list page for all of them? Might be a fun and useful page to have.

      We have "Shapeshifting" page for that. But for "Glamour Spell"...I created one in the past, but it was deleted due to some misunderstanding and conflict. But I still do think we should have that page. Not just for the list of uses, but also for a description section.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Speaking of glamours, do we have a list page for all of them? Might be a fun and useful page to have.
      We have "Shapeshifting" page for that. But for "Glamour Spell"...I created one in the past, but it was deleted due to some misunderstanding and conflict. But I still do think we should have that page. Not just for the list of uses, but also for a description section.


      Absolutely nothing about a Glamour Spell page can't be on the Shipshifting one. Would be unnecessarily repetitive.

      Plus, not the topic of the discussion ^^

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    • Has a decision been made about this?

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    • I agree with you. That’s not Marian, it’s Zelena using Marian’s form. It’s essentiallly a costume.

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    • Agree. It just makes sense.

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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