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  • Eskaver
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    11:20, August 23, 2017

    I don't know who he is, but he could be Long John Silver or something. What do you think?

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    • Cap Silver could be a code name

      He will probably save Liam and Killian after the shipwreck

      5x15 is totally Hook-centric

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    • Long John Silver? Is he even a mythical figure? I've heard the name a bunch on tv, but never known who he is.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Long John Silver? Is he even a mythical figure? I've heard the name a bunch on tv, but never known who he is.

      Long John Silver is the pirate from the novel "Treasure Island." 

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Cap Silver could be a code name

      He will probably save Liam and Killian after the shipwreck

      5x15 is totally Hook-centric

      Or Captain Silver was the one who caused, the Jones brothers to be shipwrecked?

      PS: check this out!

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      8Rob wrote:
      Cap Silver could be a code name

      He will probably save Liam and Killian after the shipwreck

      5x15 is totally Hook-centric

      Or Captain Silver was the one who caused, the Jones brothers to be shipwrecked?

      PS: check this out!

      Yeah, they did say that would be some kind of bully as well.

      I saw that photo two. Either Emma is suppose to meet the deceased Jones brothers or this is just a fun photo.

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    • I think she will meet them. Both

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Long John Silver? Is he even a mythical figure? I've heard the name a bunch on tv, but never known who he is.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_John_Silver

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    • Assuming this is the characters actual name, and not just the casting call, this basically has to be Long John Silver, which in turn means Treasure Island is on the show.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      I saw that photo two. Either Emma is suppose to meet the deceased Jones brothers or this is just a fun photo.

      Looks like all three of them are in costume. So, they may very well have filmed a scene together.... unless, Colin decided to sport guyliner on a regular basis.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Assuming this is the characters actual name, and not just the casting call, this basically has to be Long John Silver, which in turn means Treasure Island is on the show.

      Or since this show has been Once Upon A Disneytime since 4A, we're getting aliens and Treasure Planet LOL

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    • 515 is probably a rendition of Treasure Island. Hook is going to play the part of Jim Hawkins.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      515 is probably a rendition of Treasure Island. Hook is going to play the part of Jim Hawkins.

      Which would be amusing, because Hook and Baelfire were pretty much allusions to Long John Silver and Jim Hawkins in "And Straight On 'Til Morning."

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    • This is cool and all but why couldn't they have introduced Long John Silver two seasons ago in place of that so called "blackbeard?" He would've been more fitting as he fits Once's standard criteria of being fictional and was even said to be Hook's rival in the traditional Peter Pan mythos. 

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    • Avatar Beta wrote: This is cool and all but why couldn't they have introduced Long John Silver two seasons ago in place of that so called "blackbeard?" He would've been more fitting as he fits Once's standard criteria of being fictional and was even said to be Hook's rival in the traditional Peter Pan mythos. 

      Funny thing is, Blackbeard and Long John Silver were seen or mentioned in two of the Pan movies.

      In Pan (20140, Blackbeard was the villain before Hook. And in Hook (with Robin Williams), Hook Mentioned Long John Silver by name "Barbaque", where he said he smashed his bedside clock before he gutted him.

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    • A twist: it is going to be revealed that captain Silver, Hook's second father figure, abandoned him when he was a young boy.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      This is cool and all but why couldn't they have introduced Long John Silver two seasons ago in place of that so called "blackbeard?" He would've been more fitting as he fits Once's standard criteria of being fictional and was even said to be Hook's rival in the traditional Peter Pan mythos. 

      To be fair, Blackbeard does get a mention in Peter Pan, as Hook is said to be a boatswain of Blackbeard's.

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    • Whenever I think of Long John Silver, I recall wonderful Tim Curry in the Muppet version of the film ....

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      This is cool and all but why couldn't they have introduced Long John Silver two seasons ago in place of that so called "blackbeard?" He would've been more fitting as he fits Once's standard criteria of being fictional and was even said to be Hook's rival in the traditional Peter Pan mythos. 

      No.... Blackbeard being Hook's rival on OUaT, was a reference to the Peter Pan mythos. The little bit of Captain Hook's backstory that is known, is that he was originally Blackbeard's deckhand. 

      Farerb wrote:
      515 is probably a rendition of Treasure Island. Hook is going to play the part of Jim Hawkins.

      If Snow White could take the place of Perseus, then pre-Navy Killian Jones could easily fill in for Jim Hawkins. Also, why do I have a feeling, that this flashback will feature the origin of Liam's ring?

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    • In J.M.Barrie's book it's mentioned that Hook was "the only man of whom Barbecue was afraid" , Barbecue is a nickname for Long John Silver. Just sayin'...

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    • I personally am thrilled to see the possibility of Long John Silver. And I'm not going to put too much expectation on this since LJS will probably be a one and done character.

      As for Captain Hook being a deckhand for Blackbeard, they actually put that into the AU in Operation Mongoose.

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    • Miss Starr wrote:
      In J.M.Barrie's book it's mentioned that Hook was "the only man of whom Barbecue was afraid" , Barbecue is a nickname for Long John Silver. Just sayin'...

      Not only that.... but Long John Silver claimed, to serve in the Royal Navy. It all fits, lol!

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Miss Starr wrote:
      In J.M.Barrie's book it's mentioned that Hook was "the only man of whom Barbecue was afraid" , Barbecue is a nickname for Long John Silver. Just sayin'...
      Not only that.... but Long John Silver claimed, to serve in the Royal Navy. It all fits, lol!

      Hmm... this is getting more and more interesting. So we will probably get a flashback with Killian and Liam before the flashback where they went to Neverland.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Hmm... this is getting more and more interesting. So we will probably get a flashback with Killian and Liam before the flashback where they went to Neverland.

      This flashback has to take place before Good Form, considering Liam died on that mission. I am just glad, this might be a fun episode.... S5 was sorely lacking in that department.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Hmm... this is getting more and more interesting. So we will probably get a flashback with Killian and Liam before the flashback where they went to Neverland.

      This flashback has to take place before Good Form, considering Liam died on that mission. I am just glad, this might be a fun episode.... S5 was sorely lacking in that department.

      Yes, it should make for an interesting episode. I'm also happy with the variety we're getting in 5B, we only know about 4 to 5 of the 12 episodes, and we already have Greek Myths (specifically Heracles and the Underworld for now), Treasure Island, and more Oz (Dorothy for now) confirmed. Plus, all the returning characters, many of whom are dead in present day, though of course will be "alive" in the Underworld. I can't wait to see what other surprises they have in store.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Hmm... this is getting more and more interesting. So we will probably get a flashback with Killian and Liam before the flashback where they went to Neverland.

      This flashback has to take place before Good Form, considering Liam died on that mission. I am just glad, this might be a fun episode.... S5 was sorely lacking in that department.
      Yes, it should make for an interesting episode. I'm also happy with the variety we're getting in 5B, we only know about 4 to 5 of the 12 episodes, and we already have Greek Myths (specifically Heracles and the Underworld for now), Treasure Island, and more Oz (Dorothy for now) confirmed. Plus, all the returning characters, many of whom are dead in present day, though of course will be "alive" in the Underworld. I can't wait to see what other surprises they have in store.

      Or it'll be 5a repeated......

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Hmm... this is getting more and more interesting. So we will probably get a flashback with Killian and Liam before the flashback where they went to Neverland.

      This flashback has to take place before Good Form, considering Liam died on that mission. I am just glad, this might be a fun episode.... S5 was sorely lacking in that department.
      Yes, it should make for an interesting episode. I'm also happy with the variety we're getting in 5B, we only know about 4 to 5 of the 12 episodes, and we already have Greek Myths (specifically Heracles and the Underworld for now), Treasure Island, and more Oz (Dorothy for now) confirmed. Plus, all the returning characters, many of whom are dead in present day, though of course will be "alive" in the Underworld. I can't wait to see what other surprises they have in store.
      Or it'll be 5a repeated......

      It can't be, we literally did not get other things confirmed besides Camelot stuff and Brave stuff for 5A. (Well Ruby and Mulan, but we knew pretty early on that would be with Merida).

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Hmm... this is getting more and more interesting. So we will probably get a flashback with Killian and Liam before the flashback where they went to Neverland.

      This flashback has to take place before Good Form, considering Liam died on that mission. I am just glad, this might be a fun episode.... S5 was sorely lacking in that department.
      Yes, it should make for an interesting episode. I'm also happy with the variety we're getting in 5B, we only know about 4 to 5 of the 12 episodes, and we already have Greek Myths (specifically Heracles and the Underworld for now), Treasure Island, and more Oz (Dorothy for now) confirmed. Plus, all the returning characters, many of whom are dead in present day, though of course will be "alive" in the Underworld. I can't wait to see what other surprises they have in store.
      Or it'll be 5a repeated......
      It can't be, we literally did not get other things confirmed besides Camelot stuff and Brave stuff for 5A. (Well Ruby and Mulan, but we knew pretty early on that would be with Merida).

      I mean in terms of overly ambitious with too many things with too little time. But that's a bit off-topic.

      This confirms a Hook centric for 5x15 and I will say that I'm half-heartedly excited for this new character, although Hook's apprenticeship sort of wasn't resolved. (I say apprenticeship because Malcolm was sold likewise to a Blacksmith. Funny that Peter Pan and Hook are both child slaves..I mean apprentices.)

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Hmm... this is getting more and more interesting. So we will probably get a flashback with Killian and Liam before the flashback where they went to Neverland.

      This flashback has to take place before Good Form, considering Liam died on that mission. I am just glad, this might be a fun episode.... S5 was sorely lacking in that department.
      Yes, it should make for an interesting episode. I'm also happy with the variety we're getting in 5B, we only know about 4 to 5 of the 12 episodes, and we already have Greek Myths (specifically Heracles and the Underworld for now), Treasure Island, and more Oz (Dorothy for now) confirmed. Plus, all the returning characters, many of whom are dead in present day, though of course will be "alive" in the Underworld. I can't wait to see what other surprises they have in store.
      Or it'll be 5a repeated......
      It can't be, we literally did not get other things confirmed besides Camelot stuff and Brave stuff for 5A. (Well Ruby and Mulan, but we knew pretty early on that would be with Merida).
      I mean in terms of overly ambitious with too many things with too little time. But that's a bit off-topic.

      This confirms a Hook centric for 5x15 and I will say that I'm half-heartedly excited for this new character, although Hook's apprenticeship sort of wasn't resolved. (I say apprenticeship because Malcolm was sold likewise to a Blacksmith. Funny that Peter Pan and Hook are both child slaves..I mean apprentices.)

      For the time period FTL seems to be in, an apprenticeship was actually considered good. You would learn a trade, and when the master could no longer do the job (probably due to illness or death), you took over. Sure, by today's standards we would consider that child slavery, but like I said for the time period, it was actually good.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      This confirms a Hook centric for 5x15 and I will say that I'm half-heartedly excited for this new character, although Hook's apprenticeship sort of wasn't resolved. (I say apprenticeship because Malcolm was sold likewise to a Blacksmith. Funny that Peter Pan and Hook are both child slaves..I mean apprentices.)

      The difference, is that the Jones brothers made something of themselves, when they joined the Navy. While, Malcolm Stiltskin was just a loser, man-child.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      This confirms a Hook centric for 5x15 and I will say that I'm half-heartedly excited for this new character, although Hook's apprenticeship sort of wasn't resolved. (I say apprenticeship because Malcolm was sold likewise to a Blacksmith. Funny that Peter Pan and Hook are both child slaves..I mean apprentices.)

      The difference, is that the Jones brothers made something of themselves, when they joined the Navy. While, Malcolm Stiltskin was just a loser, man-child.

      Don't downplay Malcolm. He wasn't trained in anything higher class. The airhead brothers probably had no choice in the matter, while Malcolm had a poor start and nothing to suport social mobility.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Don't downplay Malcolm. He wasn't trained in anything higher class. The airhead brothers probably had no choice in the matter, while Malcolm had a poor start and nothing to suport social mobility.

      Excuse me.... being a blacksmith was a decent, and honest trade. Malcolm was a lazy, emotionally stunted, gambling, good-for-nothing.

      Rumplestiltskin who was just a spinner, at least tried to make something of himself, and was a hard worker. Whether the Jones brothers wre forced into the Navy or not, once they joined they rose through the ranks.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      This confirms a Hook centric for 5x15 and I will say that I'm half-heartedly excited for this new character, although Hook's apprenticeship sort of wasn't resolved. (I say apprenticeship because Malcolm was sold likewise to a Blacksmith. Funny that Peter Pan and Hook are both child slaves..I mean apprentices.)

      The difference, is that the Jones brothers made something of themselves, when they joined the Navy. While, Malcolm Stiltskin was just a loser, man-child.
      Don't downplay Malcolm. He wasn't trained in anything higher class. The airhead brothers probably had no choice in the matter, while Malcolm had a poor start and nothing to suport social mobility.

      While a blacksmith may not move up the social ladder, the trade itself is a good one. Malcolm either didn't want to do the work, or was unable to do it well, which is why he was a drunk that tried to con people out of money.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      This confirms a Hook centric for 5x15 and I will say that I'm half-heartedly excited for this new character, although Hook's apprenticeship sort of wasn't resolved. (I say apprenticeship because Malcolm was sold likewise to a Blacksmith. Funny that Peter Pan and Hook are both child slaves..I mean apprentices.)

      The difference, is that the Jones brothers made something of themselves, when they joined the Navy. While, Malcolm Stiltskin was just a loser, man-child.
      Don't downplay Malcolm. He wasn't trained in anything higher class. The airhead brothers probably had no choice in the matter, while Malcolm had a poor start and nothing to suport social mobility.
      While a blacksmith may not move up the social ladder, the trade itself is a good one. Malcolm either didn't want to do the work, or was unable to do it well, which is why he was a drunk that tried to con people out of money.

      Well, there's clearly more to Malcolm's story as it is for the Joneses. Malcolm shows that he's a thinker, so he likely wasn't a drunk all his time.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Well, there's clearly more to Malcolm's story as it is for the Joneses. Malcolm shows that he's a thinker, so he likely wasn't a drunk all his time.

      A thinker? More like a delusional man-child. The guy suffered from an extreme case of Peter Pan Syndrome, and traded his son for eternal youth. He clearly was not interested in being an adult, let alone a hard working one. There is nothing more to Malcolm's story, because he is not a main character. Besides, OUaT obviously prefers Peter Pan over him.

      Rumplestiltskin was a spinner, which is much lower than a blacksmith, yet was fairly accomplished.... before being branded a the village coward. While the Jones brothers rose to become fairly high-ranking Naval officers. 

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    • Um...isn't this thread going off topic?

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      Um...isn't this thread going off topic?

      Just a bit. XD

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    • To draw it back on subject - I thought Long John was never a Captain?

      He was ship's cook, which is just about the only job a man with a peg leg could do on-board - he could hardly scale the rigging.  I can't ever recall him rising to the rank of Captain ...

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    • The doormouse wrote:
      To draw it back on subject - I thought Long John was never a Captain?

      He was ship's cook, which is just about the only job a man with a peg leg could do on-board - he could hardly scale the rigging.  I can't ever recall him rising to the rank of Captain ...

      When has that ever stopped OUaT? I do not recall Prince Charming being a shepherd, or Rumplestiltskin being anything more than an imp, in the original stories.

      PS: Esk.... your theory, about Underbrooke Liam being Hades in disguise, might be true. How else does one explain yesterday's shoot?

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    • The doormouse wrote:
      To draw it back on subject - I thought Long John was never a Captain?

      He was ship's cook, which is just about the only job a man with a peg leg could do on-board - he could hardly scale the rigging.  I can't ever recall him rising to the rank of Captain ...

      Wikipedia has his occupation listed as "Cook and Pirate Captain", so I'm pretty sure he was a captain. I think the cook was just a cover.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      The doormouse wrote:
      To draw it back on subject - I thought Long John was never a Captain?

      He was ship's cook, which is just about the only job a man with a peg leg could do on-board - he could hardly scale the rigging.  I can't ever recall him rising to the rank of Captain ...

      When has that ever stopped OUaT? I do not recall Prince Charming being a shepherd, or Rumplestiltskin being anything more than an imp, in the original stories.

      PS: Esk.... your theory, about Underbrooke Liam being Hades in disguise, might be true. How else does one explain yesterday's shoot?

      Choc, what about yesterday's shoot makes you think Liam might be Hades in disguise? Why can't Liam be in the Underworld?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Choc, what about yesterday's shoot makes you think Liam might be Hades in disguise? Why can't Liam be in the Underworld?

      The location of the shoot.... that is an awfully large mansion, if you get my drift? Unless, that is Merlin's place.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Choc, what about yesterday's shoot makes you think Liam might be Hades in disguise? Why can't Liam be in the Underworld?

      The location of the shoot.... that is an awfully large mansion, if you get my drift? Unless, that is Merlin's place.

      Oh, well, for all we know Greg was there and people just didn't see him. Or they are simply using the mansion for the exterior of Hades's house, and are filming the interior on a set, and Hades would only appear inside the house, so that's why he wasn't on location.

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    • Some more pictures from the mansion shoot.... featuring, a wishing well.

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    • Lol, remember guys this isn't the 5x15 thread, but it can be I guess with a few adjustments...

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Lol, remember guys this isn't the 5x15 thread, but it can be I guess with a few adjustments...

      I think we're just posting here until Adam gives us the episode title, lol.

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    • Captain Silver is based on Long John Silver from the novel Treasure Island. 

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