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  • Note: The terms "land" and "world" have been used interchangeably on-screen and on the OUAT Wiki. The term "realm" is used on the OUAT Wiki as a region of FTL. This proposal classes the collective term as "realm" (as it appears to be the only term used consistently to describe these locations) with "lands" and "worlds" as distinct varieties.

    Lands are the traditional realms: FTL, LWM, Wonderland, etc. They can be travelled to with the use of portals. Lands are generally culturally and ethnically diverse, similar to LWM. Additionally, lands can be distinguished from worlds by looking at their names: Fairy Tale Land, Land Without Magic, Wonderland, Victorian/1920s England, etc.

    Worlds are similar in the fact that they are large expansive realms. However, worlds are distinct in the fact that they appear to exist on a different plane to the regular lands and cannot be travelled to by means of a conventional portal, more complex methods are required. Worlds also appear to each have a distinctive trait: the Netherworld is the realm "between life and death" and the Underworld is the realm of the dead.


    I propose that the terminology on the OUAT Wiki be updated to reflect this distinct difference between "lands" and "worlds", with "realms" being used as the collective term. What are your thoughts?

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    • You seem to forget one point in your idea. We need a proper term for regions like Arendelle or Camelot. And only "realm" is working for them, so not we can't change it.

      Moreover, all our regular users are working since years with this terminology, which was discussed and voted, and which is perfectly working. Changing it now would be the best way to confuse everyone.

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    • Lady Junky wrote: You seem to forget one point in your idea. We need a proper term for regions like Arendelle or Camelot. And only "realm" is working for them, so not we can't change it.

      Moreover, all our regular users are working since years with this terminology, which was discussed and voted, and which is perfectly working. Changing it now would be the best way to confuse everyone.

      I realise that "realm" is currently used to describe a region of FTL. But the term realm has only been used to describe lands and worlds on-screen, like in 1x20 when Blue states that the Enchanted Tree is the last one "in the entire realm", in 1x22 when Gold states that the True Love Potion is "the most powerful potion in all the realms", and in 2x05 when Rumple states that Jefferson's Hat "only transports between magical realms" (the hat transports between distinct lands, not regions of worlds). The term "realm" is also used frequently to describe different lands in 1x19 by Blue and Rumple, with Rumple also using the term "Realm Jumper" to describe a method of transportation to follow Baelfire to LWM in 1x19. The term "regions" could very easily be used to describe the regions of FTL in place of "realms".

      Also, there is no reason for this issue to be voted on again to replace outdated terminology defined by limited information from seasons ago with a more detailed definition of each term.

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    • No, no. "Realm" has been used also on-screen to describe these regions. We would never use it if it was not. Elsa used it a lot to describe Arendelle. Anna too. Merida used it for DunBroch. And pretty sure Arthur also used it Camelot. And no, we can't use "regions", this term is not canon.

      "Land" has been used for the three kind of locations: the big ones, the regions, and the small kingdoms. That's why we chose to not use it. From all the words we have, "Land" is definitely the more confusing.

      "World" has only been used to talk about the BIG locations, like Oz or Wonderland. That's why we chose this one. Way easier for everyone. If we say "World", we know immediatly what kind of place it is. Contrary to "Land".

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    • The term "realm" is also used frequently to describe different lands in 1x19 by Blue and Rumple, with Rumple also using the term "Realm Jumper" to describe a method of transportation to follow Baelfire to LWM in 1x19. If the term "Realm Jumper" meant someone who travels between regions of a land, then technically anyone could be one, contrary to the greater world-crossing role implied to follow Bae to another land.

      Also, after the First Curse is undone by Regina, she explains in 3x19 that undoing the Curse "divided out realms...[and] placed a wall between them" and that they were unable to use portals any more. Portals are used to transport between lands (realms); the individual lands, not the regions within them, were divided by undoing the Curse.

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    • Isaac also explains to Cruella that "I travel across realms. Realms of storytelling." He clearly travels between different lands, not regions within a land, otherwise that line could imply that 1920s England is a part of FTL based on current terminology used.

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    • It does not change the problem. "Region" is not canon, we can't use it. "Realm" has been used for Worlds and Regions. As I explained why, World is the most obvious choice for the very big locations. Land is just too confusing, it lets us Realm for these big regions.

      We never said that it was perfect, we said it was the best terminoly that we could have. It is impossible to make it 100%, but now, it is the best one.

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    • But using "world" to describe very big locations groups places like FTL and the Netherworld together, and they are completely distinct in origin and nature as mentioned in my first post. The term "world" in its current usage is far too general.

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    • As I try to explain you, it is impossible to make it 100% perfect.

      And, even if "World" is too general, it is still correct. The "lands" that you are describing can be still correctly named "World". And they are named worlds in the show. LWM is named "Our World". Regina used "world" to talk about LWM, and FTL. I'm sure we can find others exemples. Maybe it is general, but it is still correct and clear and consistent with the rest.

      Again, "Land" is used for worlds, realms and kingdoms. That's why we can't use it. It was decided and agreed. It would be a way too confusing to use it, because it is used for everything.

      So, do we have to sacrifice your distinction to make the whole terminology as clearer as possible? I'd say yes definitely. The most important for us it is to clearly have a difference between worlds, realms and kingdoms. If we have different kind of worlds, then it is another question.

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    • NickM98 wrote:
      Note: The terms "land" and "world" have been used interchangeably on-screen and on the OUAT Wiki. The term "realm" is used on the OUAT Wiki as a region of FTL. This proposal classes the collective term as "realm" (as it appears to be the only term used consistently to describe these locations) with "lands" and "worlds" as distinct varieties.

      Lands are the traditional realms: FTL, LWM, Wonderland, etc. They can be travelled to with the use of portals. Lands are generally culturally and ethnically diverse, similar to LWM. Additionally, lands can be distinguished from worlds by looking at their names: Fairy Tale Land, Land Without Magic, Wonderland, Victorian/1920s England, etc.

      Worlds are similar in the fact that they are large expansive realms. However, worlds are distinct in the fact that they appear to exist on a different plane to the regular lands and cannot be travelled to by means of a conventional portal, more complex methods are required. Worlds also appear to each have a distinctive trait: the Netherworld is the realm "between life and death" and the Underworld is the realm of the dead.


      I propose that the terminology on the OUAT Wiki be updated to reflect this distinct difference between "lands" and "worlds", with "realms" being used as the collective term. What are your thoughts?

      Well, what LJ have been trying to explain in the past replies is the fact that it's too confusing for us to understand with the terms used in the show. Different characters use different words to discribe their World or kingdoms. Some say World, some Realm, some Land and some Kingdom. So basicly, world is so mucg easy to describe the actual world

      For example : Earth, Mars, Jupiter (this are worlds in our galaxy) that we use in our daily life (sciene lol), so the term world is used just like that for Oz, FTL, Wonderland, LWM, LWC and others. 

      Then, there is Agrabah, Arendelle, EF, Camelot and DunBroch in FTL. These can't be labelled as worlds as they already lie in FTL, which is already a world. So the term Realm, which has been used in the show (poorly though) is used to describe it.

      For example, like continents in our Earth (North America, South, Asia, Europe etc). We call our's as continents so Realm is something similar. It's like Agrabah is Asia and Arendelle is Europe. 

      Then the phrase Kingdoms to represent town-like places within the realm and sometimes Villages

      Hope you do understand and have a nice day :)

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    • NickM98 wrote:

      Lady Junky wrote: You seem to forget one point in your idea. We need a proper term for regions like Arendelle or Camelot. And only "realm" is working for them, so not we can't change it.

      Moreover, all our regular users are working since years with this terminology, which was discussed and voted, and which is perfectly working. Changing it now would be the best way to confuse everyone.

      I realise that "realm" is currently used to describe a region of FTL. But the term realm has only been used to describe lands and worlds on-screen, like in 1x20 when Blue states that the Enchanted Tree is the last one "in the entire realm", in 1x22 when Gold states that the True Love Potion is "the most powerful potion in all the realms", and in 2x05 when Rumple states that Jefferson's Hat "only transports between magical realms" (the hat transports between distinct lands, not regions of worlds). The term "realm" is also used frequently to describe different lands in 1x19 by Blue and Rumple, with Rumple also using the term "Realm Jumper" to describe a method of transportation to follow Baelfire to LWM in 1x19. The term "regions" could very easily be used to describe the regions of FTL in place of "realms".

      Also, there is no reason for this issue to be voted on again to replace outdated terminology defined by limited information from seasons ago with a more detailed definition of each term.

      Camelot and Misthaven are both part of Fairy Tale Land. Jefferson was seen freely using the hat to travel from one to the other in Out Of The Past. And in 1x21, he got the Poisoned Apple to Storybrooke when magic didn't exist in the town yet. So transport to a land without magic was theoretically possible. As long as magic is used on our side to trigger the transport.

      World and Land are used interchangeably to mean the different planes of existence that can't be reached by normal travel methods (such as walking, riding, etc.). Netherworld, Underworld, Storybrooke, Neverland, etc.

      Realms is used one of two ways: to refer to all the other lands/worlds (only when used as a plural), and most commonly, an area of Fairy Tale Land (such as Misthaven, Arendelle, Camelot, Agrabah, DunBroch, The Empire, etc.)

      The terms are clearly defined in show, even if not explicitly.

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