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  • The fact that she will be 20-30 doesn't make sense but whatever...

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    • Yay! Oz! Didn't I mention that I love this show!

      It does make sense because she's from an magical Kansas. Must be so! You know why it must be a magical Kansas?

      Zelena was with kid Dorothy the same time Regina was with kid Snow. At least better acting is in store!

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      It does make sense because she's from an magical Kansas. Must be so! You know why it must be a magical Kansas?

      Is she? I was under the impression, that Dorothy was from regular Kansas.

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    • Well, Matreya was 16 when she portrayed Dorothy (but we can assume Dorothy was meant to be like 10 or 12). And that scene was not long after Regina was married.  She could be in a magical realm that was frozen during the curse.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Yay! Oz! Didn't I mention that I love this show!

      It does make sense because she's from an magical Kansas. Must be so! You know why it must be a magical Kansas?

      Zelena was with kid Dorothy the same time Regina was with kid Snow. At least better acting is in store!

      I guess if that Kansas is really from a magical land it does make sense.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      It does make sense because she's from an magical Kansas. Must be so! You know why it must be a magical Kansas?

      Is she? I was under the impression, that Dorothy was from regular Kansas.

      She a Walsh seemed to not be from Earth because of the way they said Kansas and that the tornado only travels across magical realms. (Or Rumple would look like an idiot.)

      Plus, why would there be a Dorothy in the 1960s LWM?

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    • Well, I guess we now know how Zelena might be coming back to Storybrooke. Why do I get the feeling, she and Arthur will take over the town?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Well, I guess we now know how Zelena might be coming back to Storybrooke. Why do I get the feeling, she and Arthur will take over the town?

      Doubt it. Probably toss him aside, after all, Zelena is a loner.

      I guess she just need to flex her heart ripping skills.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Doubt it. Probably toss him aside, after all, Zelena is a loner.

      I guess she just need to flex her heart ripping skills.

      Zelena might be a loner, but it still good to have allies. Plus, Arthur does have a way with words

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    • Farerb wrote:
      The fact that she will be 20-30 doesn't make sense but whatever...

      "Doesn't make sense"? The last time we saw her was during Regina's magical training, we see this with archived footage from The Doctor. This is during Snow's teen years at the latest. The Curse is cast well over a decade later, so Dorothy would be in her mid-20's to early 30's, just like the casting call says.

      This does confirm, however, that Dorothy's Kansas (and presumably Walsh's) is NOT the Land Without Magic's Kansas, since she is obviously still decades younger than she should be, which can only be attributed to being frozen in time by the Curse.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Well, I guess we now know how Zelena might be coming back to Storybrooke. Why do I get the feeling, she and Arthur will take over the town?

      Arthur wont come back till 2018, when we see how he worked on a secret plan all the time, and nobody in Storybrooke though about a villain just walking freely around in storybroke could be a problem. 

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    • Eselyx wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Well, I guess we now know how Zelena might be coming back to Storybrooke. Why do I get the feeling, she and Arthur will take over the town?
      Arthur wont come back till 2018, when we see how he worked on a secret plan all the time, and nobody in Storybrooke though about a villain just walking freely around in storybroke could be a problem. 

      Well, we all know Storybrooke is a ghost town. Just Snow's friends and the Camelot crew. I think Arthur would win if the fairies weren't there.

      But anyhow, Dorothy! Hope she doesn't die. It seems like they may be doing the guest star of the episode thing they use to do. One is Herc (and Meg) and another is Dorothy.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Eselyx wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Well, I guess we now know how Zelena might be coming back to Storybrooke. Why do I get the feeling, she and Arthur will take over the town?
      Arthur wont come back till 2018, when we see how he worked on a secret plan all the time, and nobody in Storybrooke though about a villain just walking freely around in storybroke could be a problem. 
      Well, we all know Storybrooke is a ghost town. Just Snow's friends and the Camelot crew. I think Arthur would win if the fairies weren't there.

      But anyhow, Dorothy! Hope she doesn't die. It seems like they may be doing the guest star of the episode thing they use to do. One is Herc (and Meg) and another is Dorothy.

      Either Dorothy kills Zelena, and Zelena winds up in Underbrooke with the heroes, or Zelena kills Dorothy who helps them back home. Either way, I know someone's going to die. It's a fight for Oz. My question is... Will we finally see the Tinman, the Lion, the Scarecrow and Toto?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Either Dorothy kills Zelena, and Zelena winds up in Underbrooke with the heroes, or Zelena kills Dorothy who helps them back home. Either way, I know someone's going to die. It's a fight for Oz. 

      My money is on Dorothy killing Zelena, where she ends up making trouble in the Underworld.

      Eskaver wrote:

      Well, we all know Storybrooke is a ghost town. Just Snow's friends and the Camelot crew. I think Arthur would win if the fairies weren't there.

      The fairies are basically useless, and Arthur is quite the politician.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Either Dorothy kills Zelena, and Zelena winds up in Underbrooke with the heroes, or Zelena kills Dorothy who helps them back home. Either way, I know someone's going to die. It's a fight for Oz. 

      My money is on Dorothy killing Zelena, where she ends up making trouble in the Underworld.


      Eskaver wrote:

      Well, we all know Storybrooke is a ghost town. Just Snow's friends and the Camelot crew. I think Arthur would win if the fairies weren't there.

      The fairies are basically useless.

      Come on. YOu know Wands probably would poke some eyes out.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Either Dorothy kills Zelena, and Zelena winds up in Underbrooke with the heroes, or Zelena kills Dorothy who helps them back home. Either way, I know someone's going to die. It's a fight for Oz. 

      My money is on Dorothy killing Zelena, where she ends up making trouble in the Underworld.


      Eskaver wrote:

      Well, we all know Storybrooke is a ghost town. Just Snow's friends and the Camelot crew. I think Arthur would win if the fairies weren't there.

      The fairies are basically useless.
      Come on. YOu know Wands probably would poke some eyes out.

      Yes, but the fairies are "heroes" and heroes don't maim.

      And yep, Zelena's probably going to die. I just don't see the point in killing Zelena just to have her show up in Underbrooke, when she'll never show up again.

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    • Why is everyone assuming she is alive?

      This is undeworld arc: She probably died long time ago. 

      Remember, she meet Zelena before the first curse, when before  Regina became the Evil Queen (more than 30 years ago)

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Why is everyone assuming she is alive?

      This is undeworld arc: She probably died long time ago. 

      Remember, she meet Zelena before the first curse, when before  Regina became the Evil Queen (more than 30 years ago)

      Because the "exclusive" reveal confirms that she goes head-to-head with Zelena in Oz for the fate of that land. How would she crawl herself out of Underbrooke in that case?

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    • While I now think you're right, I don't think Hook will be the only one escaping from the Underworld. 

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    • OMG, this is awesome news, and I did not expect it at all! I bet we will get more Oz characters as well! So excited! Anyway, as far as Dorothy (and Walsh), as suspected, she is from an era world set in the early 1900's, and was thus frozen in time during the curse, which explains the age. Now we just wait to see who gets cast as her.

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    • I'm kinda tired of these random "new" worlds: the Alice world, the Cruella world, the Darlings world and now this Dorothy world.

      It seems each character has its own world. It's kinda lame 

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I'm kinda tired of these random "new" worlds: the Alice world, the Cruella world, the Darlings world and now this Dorothy world.

      It seems each character has its own world. It's kinda lame 

      Darlings are from LWM, not an era world. As far as the era worlds, they actually make alot of sense, the worlds are actually Earths that are always in the same time period, so every fiction book (and movie technically) set in that time period exists there. The problem is they haven't shown these worlds enough for people to understand it well.

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    • I guess... 

      Because I get the feeling these "worlds" as just shortcuts to avoid thinking in a decent explanation for a specific plot point. 


      It's like.... "How does this make sense???"

      "Mmmm because it's a...... different world..... which is....frozen in time. That's it. Don't question about this anymore" 

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I guess... 

      Because I get the feeling these "worlds" as just shortcuts to avoid thinking in a decent explanation for a specific plot point. 


      It like.... "How does this make sense???"

      "Mmmm because it's a...... different world..... which is....frozen in time" 

      Well, a lot of fiction doesn't make sense unless it is set in the time period that it is in, so I can't complain. Besides we saw dozens of doors in Jefferson's hat, they have to be doors to somewhere. To me, the reasoning they came up with is better than a lot of alternatinves they could have done.

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    • I wonder if Dorothy would be a better Emma...I mean protagonist.

      I'm assuming she banishes Zelena or Zelena flees. I can't imagine Zelena dying because that would be sort of a roundabout way of not having Regina get her hands dirty and would sort of not do justice to her character.

      To the general audience, it'll be like

      Aud: I can't wait to see what Zelena has in store for Regina and Robin. She's going to come back with a vengenance. No rest for the wick------Oh, she's dead? Oh, sucks!

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Aud: I can't wait to see what Zelena has in store for Regina and Robin. She's going to come back with a vengenance. No rest for the wick------Oh, she's dead? Oh, sucks!

      When has death ever stopped anyone on OUaT?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Aud: I can't wait to see what Zelena has in store for Regina and Robin. She's going to come back with a vengenance. No rest for the wick------Oh, she's dead? Oh, sucks!

      When has death ever stopped anyone on OUaT?

      I was talking about the audience.

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    • Eskaver wrote: I was talking about the audience.

      So, was I.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote: I was talking about the audience.
      So, was I.

      Oh, I was just talking about random off-screen stuff, never helps. The online fandom riles up and the general audience gets confused.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Oh, I was just talking about random off-screen stuff, never helps. The online fandom riles up and the general audience gets confused.

      Really.... I find that casual veiwers are less confued, because they do not over analyze. 

      On the Dorothy topic: I think she may very well kill the Wicked Witch, sending her soul to the Underworld. The only other option, would be banishing Zelena to Storybrooke, where she teams of with Arthur to take over the town.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Oh, I was just talking about random off-screen stuff, never helps. The online fandom riles up and the general audience gets confused.

      Really.... I find that casual veiwers are less confued, because they do not over analyze. 

      On the Dorothy topic: I think she may very well kill the Wicked Witch, sending her soul to the Underworld. The only other option, would be banishing Zelena to Storybrooke, where she teams of with Arthur to take over the town.

      I would hint to go look at some particular page, but it's really depressing to read at times.

      Anyhow, I doubt she will because heroes don't kill, remember! Dorothy probably banishes her or something of that effect (What about Glinda?) and Zelena finds out what happened (we visit Belle randomly to knocked out) and then Zelena uses the shoes to poof to the Underworld.

      As I said, Zelena's and Arthur's team was only because Zelena wanted protection for her baby. Zelena wouldn't give Arthur the time of day, plus I think Arthur is probably stuck in the fetal position or something.

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    • I'm excited! Not only does this mean more Oz but my headcanon that Dorothy returned to Oz may be confirmed. This news really cheers me up.

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    • Farerb wrote: The fact that she will be 20-30 doesn't make sense but whatever...

      Well, it kinda does makes sense, Dorothy met Zelene many years before Regina cast her curse, and since her age it late 20s to early 30s, it can be safely said that she is not from the LWM and was frozen for the 28 years of the curse, just like everyone else, then 2-3 years after the curse broke till Zelena returns to Oz

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    • But on the subject of Dorothy's home, I think Kansas may be part of another realm because tbh, it makes more sense if it is,at least to me. I mean, Dorothy Gale is a famous fictional character, as are the Darlings. Why are they thought of like that in Once if they exist with the LWm, the confirmed "real world" of the show and should have records of their existance? It's like Blackbeard being in the EF. I personally Dorothy should come from the Land without Color, a fun little reference to the classic film.

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    • How about a Plot Twist between Zelena and Dorothy. Maybe when Glinda said that someone would destroy the greatest evil the realm has ever seen. Maybe that someone has always been Zelena and never Dorothy? It was only a matter of time before Dorothy grows into a power hungry witch? 

      Think about it : Zelena is back in Oz now right? And Dorothy showing up to fight her? How would Dorothy know about this? Maybe after she went home, and years later, turned power hungry and seek a way back to Oz and at that time, Zelena had already travelled to the EF. Dorothy took over Oz and now is seeking to keep it from the hands of Zelena. Maybe Zelena would kill Dorothy, destroying the greatest evil the realm has ever seen and finally becoming good. Considering since she now has a daughter, I highly doubt that she would be killed off.

      Anyone ever read the book "Dorothy Must Die", it had a twist to the Oz adaption where Dorothy was a villian and the Wicked Witch was good. It could be an adaption from the book series. 

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      But on the subject of Dorothy's home, I think Kansas may be part of another realm because tbh, it makes more sense if it is,at least to me. I mean, Dorothy Gale is a famous fictional character, as are the Darlings. Why are they thought of like that in Once if they exist with the LWm, the confirmed "real world" of the show and should have records of their existance? It's like Blackbeard being in the EF. I personally Dorothy should come from the Land without Color, a fun little reference to the classic film.

      I think LWC would be okay, but at this point she's probably from a sepia toned 1900's era Kansas world.

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    • Well, I think we'll have to see where A&E (and the other writers) take this particular episode. But I am excited about returning to Oz, and possibly seeing more Oz characters.

      Side comment: I know that Emma said Walsh was dead, but has it actually been confirmed in show.  The last we saw of Walsh, he turned back into a flying monkey and poofed after emma knocked him off the roof. We don't if the one monkey with Zelena in SB (which we saw in Zelena's house on several occasions) was Walsh, nor do we know whether Walsh was one of the several Monkey's that was killed. So, there's a loophole (to use Gold's new Mantra) that might allow the creators to bring Walsh back if they so desire.

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    • The Wizard of Oz was published in 1900 exactly. I mean, they can just reuse Cruella's 1920s world. The big thing separating these two periods is just a World War anyway. Better than creating yet another decade-themed world.

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    • DracoWombat wrote:
      The Wizard of Oz was published in 1900 exactly. I mean, they can just reuse Cruella's 1920s world. The big thing separating these two periods is just a World War anyway. Better than creating yet another decade-themed world.

      Are you kidding me? It's a difference of approximately 25 years. That's like saying 1990 and 2015 are exactly the same. I can assure you they are not, and neither is 1900 and 1925.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      DracoWombat wrote:
      The Wizard of Oz was published in 1900 exactly. I mean, they can just reuse Cruella's 1920s world. The big thing separating these two periods is just a World War anyway. Better than creating yet another decade-themed world.
      Are you kidding me? It's a difference of approximately 25 years. That's like saying 1990 and 2015 are exactly the same. I can assure you they are not, and neither is 1900 and 1925.

      Yep, plus, it's not when the book is published, but when the story takes place.

      In America, each decade differs quite wildly from the last. The Groovy Seventies, the Umm Eighties, the Wonderful Nineties, then a brand new millinieum. I'd probably put 2000-now as a single one, because I don't see much of a cultural change (but I'm 99% sure I'm wrong as it definitely changed a bit).

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      DracoWombat wrote:
      The Wizard of Oz was published in 1900 exactly. I mean, they can just reuse Cruella's 1920s world. The big thing separating these two periods is just a World War anyway. Better than creating yet another decade-themed world.
      Are you kidding me? It's a difference of approximately 25 years. That's like saying 1990 and 2015 are exactly the same. I can assure you they are not, and neither is 1900 and 1925.
      Yep, plus, it's not when the book is published, but when the story takes place.

      In America, each decade differs quite wildly from the last. The Groovy Seventies, the Umm Eighties, the Wonderful Nineties, then a brand new millinieum. I'd probably put 2000-now as a single one, because I don't see much of a cultural change (but I'm 99% sure I'm wrong as it definitely changed a bit).

      It's hard to compare the decade until we have the whole decade, so you will see the differences easier when it's the year 2020. Then you can compare the 00's (2000-2009) and the 10's (2010-2019), and you will see the differences.

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    • Onceuponatimeuser97 wrote:
      How about a Plot Twist between Zelena and Dorothy. Maybe when Glinda said that someone would destroy the greatest evil the realm has ever seen. Maybe that someone has always been Zelena and never Dorothy? It was only a matter of time before Dorothy grows into a power hungry witch? 

      Think about it : Zelena is back in Oz now right? And Dorothy showing up to fight her? How would Dorothy know about this? Maybe after she went home, and years later, turned power hungry and seek a way back to Oz and at that time, Zelena had already travelled to the EF. Dorothy took over Oz and now is seeking to keep it from the hands of Zelena. Maybe Zelena would kill Dorothy, destroying the greatest evil the realm has ever seen and finally becoming good. Considering since she now has a daughter, I highly doubt that she would be killed off.

      Anyone ever read the book "Dorothy Must Die", it had a twist to the Oz adaption where Dorothy was a villian and the Wicked Witch was good. It could be an adaption from the book series. 

      Well... Isn't that also what makes Wicked so popular? Both Elphaba and Dorothy were good, but were on opposite sides and perspectives, which made them look at the other like a villain. So I could see both being good, but Dorothy's good hurts the "greater good" and so Zelena stops her, becoming a hero again.

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    • You forget that Dorothy and Zelena first encountered each-other years before the first Dark Curse was cast. And even though the actress that played Dorothy back in Season 3 was like 16 at the time the character was probably supposed to be 12. But you're all probably right that this Kansas is a possibly another dimension like Cruella in 1920s England.

      On a casting note I would love to see Tania Raymonde as the older Dorothy! Because she was on "Lost" and she looks like the older version of the actress that played the young Dorothy

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    • MegaWicked wrote:
      You forget that Dorothy and Zelena first encountered each-other years before the first Dark Curse was cast. And even though the actress that played Dorothy back in Season 3 was like 16 at the time the character was probably supposed to be 12. But you're all probably right that this Kansas is a possibly another dimension like Cruella in 1920s England.

      On a casting note I would love to see Tania Raymonde as the older Dorothy! Because she was on "Lost" and she looks like the older version of the actress that played the young Dorothy

      I would love Britney Spears, but that's just because I love Britney and she loves the show.

      Though younger Britney from her pre-blonde days does look a lot like Young Dorothy.

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    • MegaWicked wrote:
      You forget that Dorothy and Zelena first encountered each-other years before the first Dark Curse was cast. And even though the actress that played Dorothy back in Season 3 was like 16 at the time the character was probably supposed to be 12. But you're all probably right that this Kansas is a possibly another dimension like Cruella in 1920s England.

      On a casting note I would love to see Tania Raymonde as the older Dorothy! Because she was on "Lost" and she looks like the older version of the actress that played the young Dorothy

      Tania would make a great Adult Dorothy. Good call.

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    • What if Dorothy kills Zelena and gets sent to the Underworld?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: And we have who was cast as Adult Dorothy:

      http://tvline.com/2015/12/18/once-upon-a-time-season-5-dorothy-cast-teri-reeves/

      And I read that she along with Zelena will appear in episode 16. From TVline of course.

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    • I hope she will be under a glamour spell or something... because she looks nothing like the girl we saw in 3x20

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I hope she will be under a glamour spell or something... because she looks nothing like the girl we saw in 3x20

      Why? She looks totally fine. Look at different pictures of her.

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    • Well... you're right. 

      That picture doesn´t help :D

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    • Slay! But I still want Britney Spears in some role on this show. -_-

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    • PhoenixFlames23 wrote: What if Dorothy kills Zelena and gets sent to the Underworld?

      I actually want this to happen.

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    • She kinda looks like Matreya Scarrwener (the young Dorothy) but her eyes were brown and Teri's eyes are blue, come on OUAT...it's like they don't even care anymore.

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    • Nakis91 wrote:
      She kinda looks like Matreya Scarrwener (the young Dorothy) but her eyes were brown and Teri's eyes are blue, come on OUAT...it's like they don't even care anymore.

      It's called contacts. If she doesn't wear contacts when this airs in like April, then you can complain.

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    • They didn't do it with Baelfire/Neal

      Same with Pinocchio/August

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    • Nakis91 wrote:
      She kinda looks like Matreya Scarrwener (the young Dorothy) but her eyes were brown and Teri's eyes are blue, come on OUAT...it's like they don't even care anymore.

      Eye color is not that noticable if you don't have any close up shots, and Young Dorothy didn't really have any. I'm fine with an eye color change in this case.

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    • A little bit crazy theory over here. I think Dorothy will teaming up with Ruby and Mulan. Tv Line article said abour friends will help her against Zelena... Or maybe the missing characters of the original Oz? Its funny cause the movie is kind of a representation of lgbt collective, even Judy Garland (orignal Dorothy) was gay icon (google it). Lgbt pairing acttually happen in Oz? Well, a good plot twist for sure. 

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    • Theforbiddenword wrote:
      A little bit crazy theory over here. I think Dorothy will teaming up with Ruby and Mulan. Tv Line article said abour friends will help her against Zelena... 

      Not crazy, at all.... several fans have already suggested it. 

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    • Theforbiddenword wrote:
      A little bit crazy theory over here. I think Dorothy will teaming up with Ruby and Mulan. Tv Line article said abour friends will help her against Zelena... Or maybe the missing characters of the original Oz? Its funny cause the movie is kind of a representation of lgbt collective, even Judy Garland (orignal Dorothy) was gay icon (google it). Lgbt pairing acttually happen in Oz? Well, a good plot twist for sure. 

      It'll probably be the Tinman, Scarecrow, Lion and Attack Dog Toto or something.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Theforbiddenword wrote:
      A little bit crazy theory over here. I think Dorothy will teaming up with Ruby and Mulan. Tv Line article said abour friends will help her against Zelena... Or maybe the missing characters of the original Oz? Its funny cause the movie is kind of a representation of lgbt collective, even Judy Garland (orignal Dorothy) was gay icon (google it). Lgbt pairing acttually happen in Oz? Well, a good plot twist for sure. 
      It'll probably be the Tinman, Scarecrow, Lion and Attack Dog Toto or something.

      I agree that Dorothy will meet the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion. Toto could go either way, I think.

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    • I like the idea of Dorothy teaming up with Ruby and Mulan...

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    • It was strange not seeing Toto in "Kansas."

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    • I hope Ruby and Mulan don't team up with her, first that would mean a realm jump (which they have to explain), second I hate that they put this two characters in random flashbacks just to pleased fans. Give them a proper episode to continue developing their story instead.

      I hope that those "friends" are more Oz characters and I also hope that we see more of Glinda and her magic, she was so underused in the Oz arc. I still don't understand how Zelena was stronger than her, dark magic vs. Light magic, light should win, besides Glinda had a pendant to grow her powers too. This writers just didn't wanted Glinda because she would have been too much of a magical solution to the plot in season 3B.

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    • D.Prince wrote:
      I hope Ruby and Mulan don't team up with her, first that would mean a realm jump (which they have to explain), second I hate that they put this two characters in random flashbacks just to pleased fans. Give them a proper episode to continue developing their story instead.

      I hope that those "friends" are more Oz characters and I also hope that we see more of Glinda and her magic, she was so underused in the Oz arc. I still don't understand how Zelena was stronger than her, dark magic vs. Light magic, light should win, besides Glinda had a pendant to grow her powers too. This writers just didn't wanted Glinda because she would have been too much of a magical solution to the plot in season 3B.

      Glinda was never powerful enough to defeat the WWotW, even in the original book. So that makes sense. I would like to see more Glinda though.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      D.Prince wrote:
      I hope Ruby and Mulan don't team up with her, first that would mean a realm jump (which they have to explain), second I hate that they put this two characters in random flashbacks just to pleased fans. Give them a proper episode to continue developing their story instead.

      I hope that those "friends" are more Oz characters and I also hope that we see more of Glinda and her magic, she was so underused in the Oz arc. I still don't understand how Zelena was stronger than her, dark magic vs. Light magic, light should win, besides Glinda had a pendant to grow her powers too. This writers just didn't wanted Glinda because she would have been too much of a magical solution to the plot in season 3B.

      Glinda was never powerful enough to defeat the WWotW, even in the original book. So that makes sense. I would like to see more Glinda though.

      What book did you read? I was certain that Glinda was the strongest of all, but was more of a pacifist and didn't do anything.

      But yeah, Glinda in Once never even tried and her story is sort of cut short. I actually wonder if she's immortal like the books because she seems pretty old, from prochecy speaking and knowing that Zelena had come from a cyclone and the fact that she's seemingly the same age after at least 10-15 years.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      But yeah, Glinda in Once never even tried and her story is sort of cut short. I actually wonder if she's immortal like the books because she seems pretty old, from prochecy speaking and knowing that Zelena had come from a cyclone and the fact that she's seemingly the same age after at least 10-15 years.

      No one ages on this show, except Henry.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      But yeah, Glinda in Once never even tried and her story is sort of cut short. I actually wonder if she's immortal like the books because she seems pretty old, from prochecy speaking and knowing that Zelena had come from a cyclone and the fact that she's seemingly the same age after at least 10-15 years.

      No one ages on this show, except Henry.

      True, true. Like how Regina would definitely look older (around 40 since she's like ten years or so older than Snow) and Hook is like in his 40s I assume because Milah was definitely early 40s with Rumple in his late 40s, early 50s. 

      I'm surprised they didn't have the same actress be older Dorothy with a gray wig or something XD

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      True, true. Like how Regina would definitely look older (around 40 since she's like ten years or so older than Snow) and Hook is like in his 40s I assume because Milah was definitely early 40s with Rumple in his late 40s, early 50s. 

      I'm surprised they didn't have the same actress be older Dorothy with a gray wig or something XD

      I always assumed that Hook was (biologically) in his mid-thirties, with Milah being an older woman.

      PS: I would have loved a kickass, old lady Dorothy!

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      True, true. Like how Regina would definitely look older (around 40 since she's like ten years or so older than Snow) and Hook is like in his 40s I assume because Milah was definitely early 40s with Rumple in his late 40s, early 50s. 

      I'm surprised they didn't have the same actress be older Dorothy with a gray wig or something XD

      I always assumed that Hook was in his (biologically) mid-thirties, with Milah being an older woman.

      PS: I would have loved a kickass, old lady Dorothy!

      I don't think they care much for age, except Henry and Henry Sr. who actually showed visible aging when he was old and then very old.

      Haha, old Dorothy! I'm thinking they'll somehow do an Emma! and have Dorothy randomly weilding light magic even if she lives in Fictional Kansas and had no time to learn. I guess we can see how good a ruler Zelena is. I really hope to see actual towns because it seems that an entire Country with 4+ kingdoms is empty as Storybrooke.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      I'm thinking they'll somehow do an Emma! and have Dorothy randomly weilding light magic even if she lives in Fictional Kansas and had no time to learn.

      All I see OUaT doing with Dorothy, is ripping off Supernatural's version of the character.... complete with the lesbian twist, lol.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      I'm thinking they'll somehow do an Emma! and have Dorothy randomly weilding light magic even if she lives in Fictional Kansas and had no time to learn.

      All I see OUaT doing with Dorothy, is ripping off Supernatural's version of the character.... complete with the lesbian twist, lol.

      Can you go into detail? Was she a hunter? Anyhow, I doubt Dorothy is lesbian, only because it's random.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Can you go into detail? Was she a hunter? Anyhow, I doubt Dorothy is lesbian, only because it's random.

      Basically, SPN's Dorothy was a hunter and a lesbian. While OUaT's might not be a lesbian, the possibility the Ruby and Mulan are teaming up with Dorothy, does not seem like a very original twist.

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    • Ruby will be Dorothy's toto

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Ruby will be Dorothy's toto

      - Regina was the Tinman

      - Gold was the Scarecrow

      - David was the Cowardly Lion

      - Now, Ruby might be Toto.... so, who will Mulan represent?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Ruby will be Dorothy's toto
      - Regina was the Tinman

      - Gold was the Scarecrow

      - David was the Cowardly Lion

      - Now, Ruby might be Toto.... so, who will Mulan represent?

      Probably some Oz warrior or Pumpkin guy.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      D.Prince wrote:
      I hope Ruby and Mulan don't team up with her, first that would mean a realm jump (which they have to explain), second I hate that they put this two characters in random flashbacks just to pleased fans. Give them a proper episode to continue developing their story instead.

      I hope that those "friends" are more Oz characters and I also hope that we see more of Glinda and her magic, she was so underused in the Oz arc. I still don't understand how Zelena was stronger than her, dark magic vs. Light magic, light should win, besides Glinda had a pendant to grow her powers too. This writers just didn't wanted Glinda because she would have been too much of a magical solution to the plot in season 3B.

      Glinda was never powerful enough to defeat the WWotW, even in the original book. So that makes sense. I would like to see more Glinda though.
      What book did you read? I was certain that Glinda was the strongest of all, but was more of a pacifist and didn't do anything.

      But yeah, Glinda in Once never even tried and her story is sort of cut short. I actually wonder if she's immortal like the books because she seems pretty old, from prochecy speaking and knowing that Zelena had come from a cyclone and the fact that she's seemingly the same age after at least 10-15 years.

      Nope, Glinda and the Good Witch of the North were able to take out the Wicked Witches of the South and North, respectivly, but the Wicked Witches of the East and West we're too powerful. From Wikipedia:  Despite her fear of water and the dark, the Wicked Witch of the West was one of the most powerful witches in all of Oz. In ensuing Oz books, her power is described as having been so great that even Glinda the Good Witch of the South feared her.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Ruby will be Dorothy's toto
      - Regina was the Tinman

      - Gold was the Scarecrow

      - David was the Cowardly Lion

      - Now, Ruby might be Toto.... so, who will Mulan represent?

      Oh my goodness, Gold, Regina, and David, were not the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion, they simply allowed Zelena to get brains, heart, and courage for her spell. I'm pretty sure we will see the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion in the upcoming Dorothy VS Zelena episode.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      D.Prince wrote:
      I hope Ruby and Mulan don't team up with her, first that would mean a realm jump (which they have to explain), second I hate that they put this two characters in random flashbacks just to pleased fans. Give them a proper episode to continue developing their story instead.

      I hope that those "friends" are more Oz characters and I also hope that we see more of Glinda and her magic, she was so underused in the Oz arc. I still don't understand how Zelena was stronger than her, dark magic vs. Light magic, light should win, besides Glinda had a pendant to grow her powers too. This writers just didn't wanted Glinda because she would have been too much of a magical solution to the plot in season 3B.

      Glinda was never powerful enough to defeat the WWotW, even in the original book. So that makes sense. I would like to see more Glinda though.
      What book did you read? I was certain that Glinda was the strongest of all, but was more of a pacifist and didn't do anything.

      But yeah, Glinda in Once never even tried and her story is sort of cut short. I actually wonder if she's immortal like the books because she seems pretty old, from prochecy speaking and knowing that Zelena had come from a cyclone and the fact that she's seemingly the same age after at least 10-15 years.

      Nope, Glinda and the Good Witch of the North were able to take out the Wicked Witches of the South and North, respectivly, but the Wicked Witches of the East and West we're too powerful. From Wikipedia:  Despite her fear of water and the dark, the Wicked Witch of the West was one of the most powerful witches in all of Oz. In ensuing Oz books, her power is described as having been so great that even Glinda the Good Witch of the South feared her.

      Okay, I was more in line with Glinda being as the top tier. Glinda > West > East > North and that's why it went the way it went. At least featwise. And now with Once having Light greater than Dark, she should be powerful. But we won't know how it is in Once since most of the witches did absolutely nothing.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Ruby will be Dorothy's toto
      - Regina was the Tinman

      - Gold was the Scarecrow

      - David was the Cowardly Lion

      - Now, Ruby might be Toto.... so, who will Mulan represent?

      Oh my goodness, Gold, Regina, and David, were not the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion, they simply allowed Zelena to get brains, heart, and courage for her spell. I'm pretty sure we will see the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion in the upcoming Dorothy VS Zelena episode.

      They were allusions and we won't see them. I guarentee it.

      Let me leave these letters: C...G....I.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      D.Prince wrote:
      I hope Ruby and Mulan don't team up with her, first that would mean a realm jump (which they have to explain), second I hate that they put this two characters in random flashbacks just to pleased fans. Give them a proper episode to continue developing their story instead.

      I hope that those "friends" are more Oz characters and I also hope that we see more of Glinda and her magic, she was so underused in the Oz arc. I still don't understand how Zelena was stronger than her, dark magic vs. Light magic, light should win, besides Glinda had a pendant to grow her powers too. This writers just didn't wanted Glinda because she would have been too much of a magical solution to the plot in season 3B.

      Glinda was never powerful enough to defeat the WWotW, even in the original book. So that makes sense. I would like to see more Glinda though.
      What book did you read? I was certain that Glinda was the strongest of all, but was more of a pacifist and didn't do anything.

      But yeah, Glinda in Once never even tried and her story is sort of cut short. I actually wonder if she's immortal like the books because she seems pretty old, from prochecy speaking and knowing that Zelena had come from a cyclone and the fact that she's seemingly the same age after at least 10-15 years.

      Nope, Glinda and the Good Witch of the North were able to take out the Wicked Witches of the South and North, respectivly, but the Wicked Witches of the East and West we're too powerful. From Wikipedia:  Despite her fear of water and the dark, the Wicked Witch of the West was one of the most powerful witches in all of Oz. In ensuing Oz books, her power is described as having been so great that even Glinda the Good Witch of the South feared her.
      Okay, I was more in line with Glinda being as the top tier. Glinda > West > East > North and that's why it went the way it went. At least featwise. And now with Once having Light greater than Dark, she should be powerful. But we won't know how it is in Once since most of the witches did absolutely nothing.

      From the Oz books the power level would roughly be: Wicked West, Wicked East, Good South (Glinda), Wicked South, Good North, Wicked North (Mombi), and then the Wizard of Oz. Dorothy and Ozma are also quite powerful, but in a different way, as they are not magical.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote: Oh my goodness, Gold, Regina, and David, were not the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion, they simply allowed Zelena to get brains, heart, and courage for her spell. I'm pretty sure we will see the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion in the upcoming Dorothy VS Zelena episode.
      They were allusions and we won't see them. I guarentee it.

      Let me leave these letters: C...G....I.

      Allusions that were not even subtle.... although, it was a unique take on those characters.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Ruby will be Dorothy's toto
      - Regina was the Tinman

      - Gold was the Scarecrow

      - David was the Cowardly Lion

      - Now, Ruby might be Toto.... so, who will Mulan represent?

      Oh my goodness, Gold, Regina, and David, were not the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion, they simply allowed Zelena to get brains, heart, and courage for her spell. I'm pretty sure we will see the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion in the upcoming Dorothy VS Zelena episode.
      They were allusions and we won't see them. I guarentee it.

      Let me leave these letters: C...G....I.

      The allusions were to the items the wizard gave them, not the actual characters themselves. And I don't know why you don't think they will have the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion in the show. They do lots of CGI characters and creatures.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Ruby will be Dorothy's toto
      - Regina was the Tinman

      - Gold was the Scarecrow

      - David was the Cowardly Lion

      - Now, Ruby might be Toto.... so, who will Mulan represent?

      Oh my goodness, Gold, Regina, and David, were not the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion, they simply allowed Zelena to get brains, heart, and courage for her spell. I'm pretty sure we will see the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion in the upcoming Dorothy VS Zelena episode.
      They were allusions and we won't see them. I guarentee it.

      Let me leave these letters: C...G....I.

      The allusions were to the items the wizard gave them, not the actual characters themselves. And I don't know why you don't think they will have the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion in the show. They do lots of CGI characters and creatures.

      We might have a Woodsman and that's about it. Plus, Once is minimalist is Oz and I see know different.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Ruby will be Dorothy's toto
      - Regina was the Tinman

      - Gold was the Scarecrow

      - David was the Cowardly Lion

      - Now, Ruby might be Toto.... so, who will Mulan represent?

      Oh my goodness, Gold, Regina, and David, were not the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion, they simply allowed Zelena to get brains, heart, and courage for her spell. I'm pretty sure we will see the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion in the upcoming Dorothy VS Zelena episode.
      They were allusions and we won't see them. I guarentee it.
      Let me leave these letters: C...G....I.
      The allusions were to the items the wizard gave them, not the actual characters themselves. And I don't know why you don't think they will have the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion in the show. They do lots of CGI characters and creatures.
      We might have a Woodsman and that's about it. Plus, Once is minimalist is Oz and I see know different.

      Okay, well, we will see who is right in April, because I am as confident that we will see them, as you are that we won't.

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    • I hope they won't have them. The last thing we need is more pointless characters.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      From the Oz books the power level would roughly be: Wicked West, Wicked East, Good South (Glinda), Wicked South, Good North, Wicked North (Mombi), and then the Wizard of Oz. Dorothy and Ozma are also quite powerful, but in a different way, as they are not magical.

      The Oz novels are irrelevant, as OUaT is not adapting them. Like with every other classic story, it is being incorporating within the context of the show.

      For example.... the Camelot arc was about the origins of the Dark One, more than being an adaptation of the Arthurian legends. The original Wicked arc was about the rivalry between Cora's daughters. The Neverland arc was about Rumplestiltskin's issues with his father, and Captain Hook's archenemy is not Peter Pan.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      From the Oz books the power level would roughly be: Wicked West, Wicked East, Good South (Glinda), Wicked South, Good North, Wicked North (Mombi), and then the Wizard of Oz. Dorothy and Ozma are also quite powerful, but in a different way, as they are not magical.

      The Oz novels are irrelevant, as OUaT is not adapting them. Like with every other classic story, it is being incorporating within the context of the show.

      For example.... the Camelot arc was about the origins of the Dark One, more than being an adaptation of the Arthurian legends. The original Wicked arc was about the rivalry between Cora's daughters. The Neverland arc was about Rumplestiltskin's issues with his father, and Captain Hook's archenemy is not Peter Pan.

      What? The whole point of the show is inturpeting classic stories. Of course the show still has its own plot, but that doesn't mean things are not taken from the source material. Lots of things are. And things from several of the Oz novels have already been seen on the show.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      What? The whole point of the show is inturpeting classic stories. Of course the show still has its own plot, but that doesn't mean things are not taken from the source material. Lots of things are. And things from several of the Oz novels have already been seen on the show.

      You clearly missed the point, of my previous comment. OUaT does not include, every character from the source material. There are allusions to many things, but not everything is a straight up adaptation. The Tinman, Scarecrow, and Cowardly Lion will never be on the show, because they were already referenced with the time-travelling spell. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      What? The whole point of the show is inturpeting classic stories. Of course the show still has its own plot, but that doesn't mean things are not taken from the source material. Lots of things are. And things from several of the Oz novels have already been seen on the show.

      You clearly missed the point, of my previous comment. OUaT does not include, every character from the source material. There are allusions to many things, but not everything is a straight up adaptation. The Tinman, Scarecrow, and Cowardly Lion will never be on the show, because they were already referenced with the time-travelling spell. 

      Exactly! Like they didn't have the Indians from Neverland; Kay from The Snow Queen; Morgana, Uther and Mordred from Camelot.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      What? The whole point of the show is inturpeting classic stories. Of course the show still has its own plot, but that doesn't mean things are not taken from the source material. Lots of things are. And things from several of the Oz novels have already been seen on the show.

      You clearly missed the point, of my previous comment. OUaT does not include, every character from the source material. There are allusions to many things, but not everything is a straight up adaptation. The Tinman, Scarecrow, and Cowardly Lion will never be on the show, because they were already referenced with the time-travelling spell. 

      You mean just like we have two little mermaids, or two sleeping beauties? There are other examples as well. Just because we had a reference to brains, heart, and courage, does not mean the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion can never appear. I feel really bad for everyone who is so sure that they will not appear, because the way the post was written about Dorothy and her friends fighting Zelena, it was very clear to me that these characters are coming. And when they do, I guess I'll just have to tell everyone "I told you so".

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    • Farerb wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      What? The whole point of the show is inturpeting classic stories. Of course the show still has its own plot, but that doesn't mean things are not taken from the source material. Lots of things are. And things from several of the Oz novels have already been seen on the show.

      You clearly missed the point, of my previous comment. OUaT does not include, every character from the source material. There are allusions to many things, but not everything is a straight up adaptation. The Tinman, Scarecrow, and Cowardly Lion will never be on the show, because they were already referenced with the time-travelling spell. 
      Exactly! Like they didn't have the Indians from Neverland; Kay from The Snow Queen; Morgana, Uther and Mordred from Camelot.

      Well, no one said they must include every character. I would also say just because we haven't seen those characters yet, does not mean they will never show up.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Just because we had a reference to brains, heart, and courage, does not mean the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion can never appear. I feel really bad for everyone who is so sure that they will not appear, because the way the post was written about Dorothy and her friends fighting Zelena, it was very clear to me that these characters are coming. And when they do, I guess I'll just have to tell everyone "I told you so".

      That post implied nothing of the sort. If anything was implied, that it would be another OUaT fairytale mashup. Besides, 5.16 is probably just going to be how Zelena is reintroduced into the storyline. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Just because we had a reference to brains, heart, and courage, does not mean the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion can never appear. I feel really bad for everyone who is so sure that they will not appear, because the way the post was written about Dorothy and her friends fighting Zelena, it was very clear to me that these characters are coming. And when they do, I guess I'll just have to tell everyone "I told you so".

      That post implied nothing of the sort. If anything was implied, that it would be another OUaT fairytale mashup. Besides, 5.16 is probably just going to be how Zelena is reintroduced into the storyline. 

      Right, Zelena is in Oz. Dorothy is going to be in Oz. Dorothy is going to get help from characters in Oz when she fights Zelena. What are the canon characters that help Dorothy defeat the Wicked Witch of the West in Oz? The Scarecrow, The Tinman, and The Lion. Sometimes the easiest answer is the correct one. But time will tell.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Just because we had a reference to brains, heart, and courage, does not mean the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion can never appear. I feel really bad for everyone who is so sure that they will not appear, because the way the post was written about Dorothy and her friends fighting Zelena, it was very clear to me that these characters are coming. And when they do, I guess I'll just have to tell everyone "I told you so".

      That post implied nothing of the sort. If anything was implied, that it would be another OUaT fairytale mashup.

      It implied that 516 is probably going to be another pointless filler that has nothing to do with the main plot just like The Bear King. Dorothy's friends are probably Mulan and Ruby, who will somehow find a new magical device that will bring them to Oz.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      It implied that 516 is probably going to be another pointless filler that has nothing to do with the main plot just like The Bear King. Dorothy's friends are probably Mulan and Ruby, who will somehow find a new magical device that will bring them to Oz.

      Exactly.... and somehow they will all end up in Storybrooke, at the end of the episode. To be fair, Oz seems to be one of the easier realms to travel to. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Farerb wrote:

      It implied that 516 is probably going to be another pointless filler that has nothing to do with the main plot just like The Bear King. Dorothy's friends are probably Mulan and Ruby, who will somehow find a new magical device that will bring them to Oz.

      Exactly.... and somehow they will all end up in Storybrooke, at the end of the episode. To be fair, Oz seems to be one of the easier realms to travel to. 

      Red and Mulan going to help some random person in Oz (which they would first have to get to) is far more speculative then anything I am saying. But like I keep saying, time will tell.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Farerb wrote:

      It implied that 516 is probably going to be another pointless filler that has nothing to do with the main plot just like The Bear King. Dorothy's friends are probably Mulan and Ruby, who will somehow find a new magical device that will bring them to Oz.

      Exactly.... and somehow they will all end up in Storybrooke, at the end of the episode. To be fair, Oz seems to be one of the easier realms to travel to. 

      Agree. They will probably come across a magical tornado that will take them to Oz, and then somehow they will harness the shoes to take all of them to Storybrooke somehow.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Farerb wrote:

      It implied that 516 is probably going to be another pointless filler that has nothing to do with the main plot just like The Bear King. Dorothy's friends are probably Mulan and Ruby, who will somehow find a new magical device that will bring them to Oz.

      Exactly.... and somehow they will all end up in Storybrooke, at the end of the episode. To be fair, Oz seems to be one of the easier realms to travel to. 
      Red and Mulan going to help some random person in Oz (which they would first have to get to) is far more speculative then anything I am saying. But like I keep saying, time will tell.

      You mean like how they helped the stranger, Merida, against Arthur and Zelena to protect her kingdom?

      Going to Oz should not be hard, crossing realms is not as hard as it used to be.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Red and Mulan going to help some random person in Oz (which they would first have to get to) is far more speculative then anything I am saying. But like I keep saying, time will tell.

      Incorrect.... as OUaT is a fairytale mashup, and does things like this all the time. This is the show where Rumplestiltskin cut off Captain Hook's hand, Tinker Bell was the Evil Queen's fairy godmother, and the Queen of Hearts was originally the Miller's Daughter just to list a few.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Farerb wrote:

      It implied that 516 is probably going to be another pointless filler that has nothing to do with the main plot just like The Bear King. Dorothy's friends are probably Mulan and Ruby, who will somehow find a new magical device that will bring them to Oz.

      Exactly.... and somehow they will all end up in Storybrooke, at the end of the episode. To be fair, Oz seems to be one of the easier realms to travel to. 
      Red and Mulan going to help some random person in Oz (which they would first have to get to) is far more speculative then anything I am saying. But like I keep saying, time will tell.
      You mean like how they helped the stranger, Merida, against Arthur and Zelena to protect her kingdom?

      Going to Oz should not be hard, crossing realms is not as hard as it used to be.

      I'm not saying it is impossible, just unlikely. Furthermore, Mulan already knew Merida, so she wasn't a stranger.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Farerb wrote:

      It implied that 516 is probably going to be another pointless filler that has nothing to do with the main plot just like The Bear King. Dorothy's friends are probably Mulan and Ruby, who will somehow find a new magical device that will bring them to Oz.

      Exactly.... and somehow they will all end up in Storybrooke, at the end of the episode. To be fair, Oz seems to be one of the easier realms to travel to. 
      Red and Mulan going to help some random person in Oz (which they would first have to get to) is far more speculative then anything I am saying. But like I keep saying, time will tell.
      You mean like how they helped the stranger, Merida, against Arthur and Zelena to protect her kingdom?

      Going to Oz should not be hard, crossing realms is not as hard as it used to be.

      I'm not saying it is impossible, just unlikely. Furthermore, Mulan already knew Merida, so she wasn't a stranger.

      They can retcon Mulan's backstory again so she could know Dorothy as well, they can even do it to Ruby.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Red and Mulan going to help some random person in Oz (which they would first have to get to) is far more speculative then anything I am saying. But like I keep saying, time will tell.

      Incorrect.... as OUaT is a fairytale mashup, and does things like this all the time. This is the show where Rumplestiltskin cut off Captain Hook's hand, Tinker Bell was the Evil Queen's fairy godmother, and the Queen of Hearts was originally the Miller's Daughter just to list a few.

      But all the traditional story characters still know each other as well. Snow still knows Charming, the Evil Queen, the Dwaves, etc. Gepetto still knows Jiminy, Pinnocio, Blue. Rumple knows the Miller's Daughter. Hook knows Peter Pan, Smee, etc. Zelena knows Glenda and Dorothy. And so on and so forth. Not sure why everyone is so confident that Mulan and Red will be in this episode, when the far more likely characters are the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Not sure why everyone is so confident that Mulan and Red will be in this episode, when the far more likely characters are the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Lion.

      Perhaps it is because it was already confirmed, that Ruby and Mulan would appear in a few episodes during 5.B? From the information we already have, it seems that there will not be lot of new characters introduced in this arc. 

      PS: Zelena already battled Ruby and Mulan, in 5.09.

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    • Choc and Farerb: I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it seems unlikely, or at least more unlikely then the canon Oz characters. We will find out in April (if not before then). You guys don't see it, but I do, so until we have some proof one way or another, I don't think we are going to get anywhere.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Choc and Farerb: I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it seems unlikely, or at least more unlikely then the canon Oz characters. We will find out in April (if not before then). You guys don't see it, but I do, so until we have some proof one way or another, I don't think we are going to get anywhere.

      On the contrary.... @Farerb and I are talking, about characters canon to OUaT.

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    • The Mulan and Red theory is random, but I'm guessing it's there because of the writers' promise to see them again.

      We will see in spoiler pics potentially, casting, and etc. I'm certain Mulan Rouge has as much likelihood as Will Scarlet as random Oz CGI and Tim Burton-esque creatures.

      The Oz trio may have helped Dorothy defeat the Wicked Witch, but they already did the water and slippers plot and the Wizard is stated to be dead, so I'm pretty sure they have no room to make sense (even if the writers don't do math and timeline correctly.)

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    • From a straight story perspective, the later Oz books did contain the Tinman, Scarecrow, and Lion. So they could still be pulled in, even if they have used the Slippers and Water from the first Oz Book.  IF THEY WANT TO.

      At this point, I'm not sure about much of anything, except that we are getting an adult Dorothy, and that the confrontation will occur in Oz, where Zelena is once again residing (and quite likely terrorizing the denizens of the land).

      And there will be no "I Told You So's!" We're all just making our own guesses as to what will (or won't) happen. rather passionately, I might add. So let's keep the guesses coming, and turn the passion down a couple of notches, and everyone will be happy (except for Grumpy, of course).

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      From a straight story perspective, the later Oz books did contain the Tinman, Scarecrow, and Lion. So they could still be pulled in, even if they have used the Slippers and Water from the first Oz Book.  IF THEY WANT TO.

      At this point, I'm not sure about much of anything, except that we are getting an adult Dorothy, and that the confrontation will occur in Oz, where Zelena is once again residing (and quite likely terrorizing the denizens of the land).

      And there will be no "I Told You So's!" We're all just making our own guesses as to what will (or won't) happen. rather passionately, I might add. So let's keep the guesses coming, and turn the passion down a couple of notches, and everyone will be happy (except for Grumpy, of course).

      What?! Grumpy can be happy! Just not dreamy.

      Speaking of which, I wonder if we'll see Munchkins. They seem to be the Ozian Dwarves apparently.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Speaking of which, I wonder if we'll see Munchkins. They seem to be the Ozian Dwarves apparently.

      Bet OUaT Munchkins hatch from eggs.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Speaking of which, I wonder if we'll see Munchkins. They seem to be the Ozian Dwarves apparently.

      Bet OUaT Munchkins hatch from eggs.

      But they eem to be off both genders, but I'm not sure Once would do anything with that. Dorothy will be nice but as long as they do Oz justice, I'll be fine. Wonder what was hapening in Oz since Zelena has been gone (probably for about 2 years now) as well as the Wizard.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Dorothy will be nice but as long as they do Oz justice, I'll be fine. Wonder what was hapening in Oz since Zelena has been gone (probably for about 2 years now) as well as the Wizard.

      Why are you getting your hopes up for nothing?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Dorothy will be nice but as long as they do Oz justice, I'll be fine. Wonder what was hapening in Oz since Zelena has been gone (probably for about 2 years now) as well as the Wizard.

      Why are you getting your hopes up for nothing?

      Because no matter how cynical and pessimistic I may seem, I do have hope. Even if it means they are meaningless and disregarded, I cannot simply ignore them.

      As Regina once said, "You know what my problem is. I never learn from my mistakes."

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Dorothy will be nice but as long as they do Oz justice, I'll be fine. Wonder what was hapening in Oz since Zelena has been gone (probably for about 2 years now) as well as the Wizard.

      Why are you getting your hopes up for nothing?

      Well, we know something is happening, because they have already confirmed Zelena, Dorothy, and Oz being in 5B (for multiple episodes, I might add). So he's not getting his hopes up for nothing.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Dorothy will be nice but as long as they do Oz justice, I'll be fine. Wonder what was hapening in Oz since Zelena has been gone (probably for about 2 years now) as well as the Wizard.

      Why are you getting your hopes up for nothing?

      That's a bit rude, isn't it? Criticize the show all you like, but don't mess with people's hopes.

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    • I have 2 possible theories: Zelena comes back to Oz but then Dorothy kicks her out, either she is sent to SB again which is unprotected right now, or Dorothy kills her so the heroes will unexpectedly find her in the Underworld at some point. I prefer the latter option, because I want Zelena and Cora to meet, I still have some hope.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      I have 2 possible theories: Zelena comes back to Oz but then Dorothy kicks her out, either she is sent to SB again which is unprotected right now, or Dorothy kills her so the heroes will unexpectedly find her in the Underworld at some point. I prefer the latter option, because I want Zelena and Cora to meet, I still have some hope.

      I only prefer that latter option, because it would mean that Zelena will be killed off, by the end of the season. For some reason, I think, OUaT is going with the former option. Zelena would love to take over Storybrooke, and make her little green bean the princess.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      I have 2 possible theories: Zelena comes back to Oz but then Dorothy kicks her out, either she is sent to SB again which is unprotected right now, or Dorothy kills her so the heroes will unexpectedly find her in the Underworld at some point. I prefer the latter option, because I want Zelena and Cora to meet, I still have some hope.
      I only prefer that latter option, because it would mean that Zelena will be killed off, by the end of the season. For some reason, I think, OUaT is going with the former option. Zelena would love to take over Storybrooke, and make her little green bean the princess.

      Remember! Heroes don't "coughMURDERcough" kill.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Remember! Heroes don't "coughMURDERcough" kill.

      Except, if the hero is David. ;)

      Which is why if the heroes go up against Gold, in the season finale, they will just try to get the Darkness out of him to destroy it.... vs. killing him.  

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Remember! Heroes don't "coughMURDERcough" kill.

      Except, if the hero is David. ;)

      Which is why if the heroes go up against Gold, in the season finale, they will just try to get the Darkness out of him to destroy it.... vs. killing him.  

      I'm sure they treat Rumple as wrong as they treat him. Oh, they forgave him so easily, but not one of them would help in saving him. So, I totally expect them to let him die or kill him, because that's how they roll.

      But Dorothy is another matter. Dpeends if they are going for sympathy for Zelena and kill her off, but I'm not sure if they'll have goody-goody Dorothy use light magic in acts of evil and it will always be in poor taste to me to give Regina the baby (especially in such a roundabout and stupid way).

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Dorothy will be nice but as long as they do Oz justice, I'll be fine. Wonder what was hapening in Oz since Zelena has been gone (probably for about 2 years now) as well as the Wizard.

      Why are you getting your hopes up for nothing?

      Well, we know something is happening, because they have already confirmed Zelena, Dorothy, and Oz being in 5B (for multiple episodes, I might add). So he's not getting his hopes up for nothing.

      When you mentioned that aside from Zelena that Dorothy will appear in multiple episodes, where did you hear or read that out of curiosity?

      If so, I suppose that would make Dorothy a centric of this arc and future seasons as well right?

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Dorothy will be nice but as long as they do Oz justice, I'll be fine. Wonder what was hapening in Oz since Zelena has been gone (probably for about 2 years now) as well as the Wizard.

      Why are you getting your hopes up for nothing?
      Well, we know something is happening, because they have already confirmed Zelena, Dorothy, and Oz being in 5B (for multiple episodes, I might add). So he's not getting his hopes up for nothing.
      When you mentioned that aside from Zelena that Dorothy will appear in multiple episodes, where did you hear or read that out of curiosity?

      If so, I suppose that would make Dorothy a centric of this arc and future seasons as well right?

      No. For instance, Maleficent and Lily.

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    • Where does it say Dorothy will be in multiple episodes? I have never seen anything besides them referring to the role as "recurring guest star." However, I'm certain it is only one episode and the rest is speculative or it's just perspectively erroneous.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Where does it say Dorothy will be in multiple episodes? I have never seen anything besides them referring to the role as "recurring guest star." However, I'm certain it is only one episode and the rest is speculative or it's just perspectively erroneous.

      I hope so. There are already too much secondary characters, we don't more. I don't get why people are so excited about that, can't they understand the more characters (returning or new), the more the story is going to be a mess and unfocused.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Where does it say Dorothy will be in multiple episodes? I have never seen anything besides them referring to the role as "recurring guest star." However, I'm certain it is only one episode and the rest is speculative or it's just perspectively erroneous.
      I hope so. There are already too much secondary characters, we don't more. I don't get why people are so excited about that, can't they understand the more characters (returning or new), the more the story is going to be a mess and unfocused.

      I'm excited about the episode, but I will say that noone should want more characters. The writers have shown that we can't put our hope in their hands because it'll always be returned broken and sullied. Many strive for season 1 and 2 thoughts when it has only gotten worse, not better. Hoping that they do get better when the facts show that it gets worse is a sad thing.

      Either those characters would be strong and the main story is denied its full glory or the main story would shortcut those new characters.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      I'm sure they treat Rumple as wrong as they treat him. Oh, they forgave him so easily, but not one of them would help in saving him. So, I totally expect them to let him die or kill him, because that's how they roll.

      But Dorothy is another matter. Dpeends if they are going for sympathy for Zelena and kill her off, but I'm not sure if they'll have goody-goody Dorothy use light magic in acts of evil and it will always be in poor taste to me to give Regina the baby (especially in such a roundabout and stupid way).

      I am sure the heroes would want to kill Gold, but I do not see them going through with it. They would not want to save him or forgive him, but destroying his power would be a fate worse than death. 

      Also, how would dying make Zelena sympathetic? Her only goal is to gain custody of her daughter, and the baby is in Storybrooke.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      I'm sure they treat Rumple as wrong as they treat him. Oh, they forgave him so easily, but not one of them would help in saving him. So, I totally expect them to let him die or kill him, because that's how they roll.

      But Dorothy is another matter. Dpeends if they are going for sympathy for Zelena and kill her off, but I'm not sure if they'll have goody-goody Dorothy use light magic in acts of evil and it will always be in poor taste to me to give Regina the baby (especially in such a roundabout and stupid way).

      I am sure the heroes would want to kill Gold, but I do not see them going through with it. They would not want to save him or firgive him, but destroying his power would be a fate worse than death. 

      Also, how would dying make Zelena sympathetic? Her only goal is to gain custody of her daughter, and the baby is in Storybrooke.

      Writers' logic: A dead character is automatically sympathetic. She never accomplkished her goal and now is sad.

      I doubt that would happen, but I wouldn't put it past them. Remember sympathetic isn't the same thing as likable.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Writers' logic: A dead character is automatically sympathetic. She never accomplkished her goal and now is sad.

      I doubt that would happen, but I wouldn't put it past them. Remember sympathetic isn't the same thing as likable.

      If it means, that Zelena will be gone by the end of season, then go ahead and kill her off. However, that also means, the main characters will be stuck in Underbrooke a bit longer.... which would suck.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Writers' logic: A dead character is automatically sympathetic. She never accomplkished her goal and now is sad.

      I doubt that would happen, but I wouldn't put it past them. Remember sympathetic isn't the same thing as likable.

      If it means, that Zelena will be gone by the end of season, then go ahead and kill her off. However, that also means, the main characters will be stuck in Underbrooke a bit longer.... which would suck.

      Yeah, but that's how they roll. Underbrooke has more people than Storybrooke. That's for sure!

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Writers' logic: A dead character is automatically sympathetic. She never accomplkished her goal and now is sad.

      I doubt that would happen, but I wouldn't put it past them. Remember sympathetic isn't the same thing as likable.

      If it means, that Zelena will be gone by the end of season, then go ahead and kill her off. However, that also means, the main characters will be stuck in Underbrooke a bit longer.... which would suck.
      Yeah, but that's how they roll. Underbrooke has more people than Storybrooke. That's for sure!

      Or Dorothy does kill Zelena and sends her to Underbrooke, but the main still leave for Storybrooke by 5.19? That way Rebecca Mader, has enough time to book a new show, or something.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Writers' logic: A dead character is automatically sympathetic. She never accomplkished her goal and now is sad.

      I doubt that would happen, but I wouldn't put it past them. Remember sympathetic isn't the same thing as likable.

      If it means, that Zelena will be gone by the end of season, then go ahead and kill her off. However, that also means, the main characters will be stuck in Underbrooke a bit longer.... which would suck.
      Yeah, but that's how they roll. Underbrooke has more people than Storybrooke. That's for sure!
      Or Dorothy does kill Zelena and sends her to Underbrooke, but the main still leave for Storybrooke by 5.19? That way Rebecca Mader, has enough time to book a new show, or something.

      I don't see that happening. I think they'll be more prone to keep her. I mean I rather her than Robin at this point.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Dorothy will be nice but as long as they do Oz justice, I'll be fine. Wonder what was hapening in Oz since Zelena has been gone (probably for about 2 years now) as well as the Wizard.

      Why are you getting your hopes up for nothing?
      Well, we know something is happening, because they have already confirmed Zelena, Dorothy, and Oz being in 5B (for multiple episodes, I might add). So he's not getting his hopes up for nothing.
      When you mentioned that aside from Zelena that Dorothy will appear in multiple episodes, where did you hear or read that out of curiosity?

      If so, I suppose that would make Dorothy a centric of this arc and future seasons as well right?

      Right in this article, it says the actress is signed for multiple episodes:

      http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/18/once-upon-time-dorothy-chicago-fire-teri-reeves

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Where does it say Dorothy will be in multiple episodes? I have never seen anything besides them referring to the role as "recurring guest star." However, I'm certain it is only one episode and the rest is speculative or it's just perspectively erroneous.

      See my link above. It clearly says "multiple episodes".

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Where does it say Dorothy will be in multiple episodes? I have never seen anything besides them referring to the role as "recurring guest star." However, I'm certain it is only one episode and the rest is speculative or it's just perspectively erroneous.
      I hope so. There are already too much secondary characters, we don't more. I don't get why people are so excited about that, can't they understand the more characters (returning or new), the more the story is going to be a mess and unfocused.
      I'm excited about the episode, but I will say that noone should want more characters. The writers have shown that we can't put our hope in their hands because it'll always be returned broken and sullied. Many strive for season 1 and 2 thoughts when it has only gotten worse, not better. Hoping that they do get better when the facts show that it gets worse is a sad thing.

      Either those characters would be strong and the main story is denied its full glory or the main story would shortcut those new characters.

      I want more characters, because I enjoy seeing their take on new stories, and you can't do that without introducing more characters. And every show (and any fiction that is serialized really) introduces new characters as it goes on anyway, so I'm not sure what you guys expect.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Where does it say Dorothy will be in multiple episodes? I have never seen anything besides them referring to the role as "recurring guest star." However, I'm certain it is only one episode and the rest is speculative or it's just perspectively erroneous.
      See my link above. It clearly says "multiple episodes".

      Interesting fact, but then again, Collete was confirmed to be at least in a few episodes and that didn't happen. I assume Dorothy will be in all of two episodes, depending on how the finale goes.

      So, 5x15 has potential to end with Dorothy. 5x16 will have Dorothy. And then that leaves a potential two hour epside or finale with Dorothy, but I take it for nothing important unless the showrunners say so about things in story.

      So, signed up to be recurring doesn't mean actually recurring or in major fashion, i.e. Merida. But at least it isn't insert Disney.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Where does it say Dorothy will be in multiple episodes? I have never seen anything besides them referring to the role as "recurring guest star." However, I'm certain it is only one episode and the rest is speculative or it's just perspectively erroneous.
      See my link above. It clearly says "multiple episodes".
      Interesting fact, but then again, Collete was confirmed to be at least in a few episodes and that didn't happen. I assume Dorothy will be in all of two episodes, depending on how the finale goes.

      So, 5x15 has potential to end with Dorothy. 5x16 will have Dorothy. And then that leaves a potential two hour epside or finale with Dorothy, but I take it for nothing important unless the showrunners say so about things in story.

      So, signed up to be recurring doesn't mean actually recurring or in major fashion, i.e. Merida. But at least it isn't insert Disney.

      She's also not a new character, as we're seen her once before, she is simply a new actress due to the time difference.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Where does it say Dorothy will be in multiple episodes? I have never seen anything besides them referring to the role as "recurring guest star." However, I'm certain it is only one episode and the rest is speculative or it's just perspectively erroneous.
      I hope so. There are already too much secondary characters, we don't more. I don't get why people are so excited about that, can't they understand the more characters (returning or new), the more the story is going to be a mess and unfocused.
      I'm excited about the episode, but I will say that noone should want more characters. The writers have shown that we can't put our hope in their hands because it'll always be returned broken and sullied. Many strive for season 1 and 2 thoughts when it has only gotten worse, not better. Hoping that they do get better when the facts show that it gets worse is a sad thing.

      Either those characters would be strong and the main story is denied its full glory or the main story would shortcut those new characters.

      I want more characters, because I enjoy seeing their take on new stories, and you can't do that without introducing more characters. And every show (and any fiction that is serialized really) introduces new characters as it goes on anyway, so I'm not sure what you guys expect.

      Come down from General Hospital of Literary Elements and let's talk literal. (Yeah, a pun!) There is a different level of characters that we mean, which I'm sure you may be aware of.

      New minor characters is different from new medial (whatever is in between minor and major) characters and new main characters. For example, shows introduce love interest #3 for a character and it's totally fine because it's a minor character. Likewise, what Will was.

      The difference is wanting tons of minor characters to be medial characters. We can have to whole gang of Storybrooke hopefuls, but there has to be a balance. We have Zelena, Robin, Belle, Henry and Arthur and Merida as medial characters. So, we must subtract to add new medial characters. If we add Mulan, Red, Medg, Herc, Dorothy, and Hades. That's doubling a cast that didn't get enough balanced exposure. That's the issue I have. We can't bundle them together, minor, medial, and major. More minor characters is trivial, more medial characters is tricky, and more main characters is risky.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      See my link above. It clearly says "multiple episodes".

      That could easily mean just two episodes.

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    • Here's a totally random thought.  What if they are bringing back Dorothy (as an adult) for a couple of episodes as a test, with the possibility of spinning off an OUAT - Oz (something to fill in a future Hiatus, maybe).  I could see that, and I would be all for that.

      Not saying that is what is happening, just random speculation.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Here's a totally random thought.  What if they are bringing back Dorothy (as an adult) for a couple of episodes as a test, with the possibility of spinning off an OUAT - Oz (something to fill in a future Hiatus, maybe).  I could see that, and I would be all for that.

      Not saying that is what is happening, just random speculation.

      I actually had a thought simialr to that in that, they could have done sort of a Once: Untold Stories thing and could have put Merida and Frozen and even recurring Dorothy there.

      I don't know because NBC is doing something similar and it feels like ABC and NBC could compete but I think one would win over the other and I doubt it's ABC. Unless it's Pan, lol.

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    • I agree. A story is more cohesive when there aren't so much minor characters that don't have any purpose other than to distract from the main plot. That is just bad storytelling.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      I agree. A story is more cohesive when there aren't so much minor characters that don't have any purpose other than to distract from the main plot. That is just bad storytelling.

      I will even add to this topic with an example of a temporary medial character done right: Aurora. She was medial for a few episodes in season 2 and she had a character arc and growth and now she appears sporadically throughout the seasons following without ever detracting form the story in any way. That is what they should do, but they tend to start medial and then drop them off the face of the Earth.

      Can you believe we never had an Aurora centric episode ever? I mean there's a difference between her and Arthur and Merida. The other two get so much backstory and info and screentime, but they are tangent or dropped off the main plot and sort of stand around lost half the time. Aurora never did that. Likewise, Dorothy is best being the Aurora of season 5b and onwards. That is unless she's actually just a minor character (like Gwen and Lancelot who get an episode when they play so little in the story), of which she deserves no major focus.

      The problem is too many minor characters taking time that isn't theirs to hold and too many medial characters getting an imbalance of screentime and story. Adding more characters to that doesn't make it better, even if you enjoy new characters. It's like continually adding more sugar to the cake just because you like sugar...it will just make it worse.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      I agree. A story is more cohesive when there aren't so much minor characters that don't have any purpose other than to distract from the main plot. That is just bad storytelling.
      I will even add to this topic with an example of a temporary medial character done right: Aurora. She was medial for a few episodes in season 2 and she had a character arc and growth and now she appears sporadically throughout the seasons following without ever detracting form the story in any way. That is what they should do, but they tend to start medial and then drop them off the face of the Earth.

      Can you believe we never had an Aurora centric episode ever? I mean there's a difference between her and Arthur and Merida. The other two get so much backstory and info and screentime, but they are tangent or dropped off the main plot and sort of stand around lost half the time. Aurora never did that. Likewise, Dorothy is best being the Aurora of season 5b and onwards. That is unless she's actually just a minor character (like Gwen and Lancelot who get an episode when they play so little in the story), of which she deserves no major focus.

      The problem is too many minor characters taking time that isn't theirs to hold and too many medial characters getting an imbalance of screentime and story. Adding more characters to that doesn't make it better, even if you enjoy new characters. It's like continually adding more sugar to the cake just because you like sugar...it will just make it worse.

      It's not just Aurora. Most supporting characters in season 1-3A were added to enrich the story or the main characters. For example, episode 211 was Belle and Mulan's backstory, but it wasn't about Mulan, it was about Belle  (back when she was more than just a babysitting doormat who sleeps all the time) compared to 506 the "Belle's centric" which was all about Merida.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      I agree. A story is more cohesive when there aren't so much minor characters that don't have any purpose other than to distract from the main plot. That is just bad storytelling.
      I will even add to this topic with an example of a temporary medial character done right: Aurora. She was medial for a few episodes in season 2 and she had a character arc and growth and now she appears sporadically throughout the seasons following without ever detracting form the story in any way. That is what they should do, but they tend to start medial and then drop them off the face of the Earth.

      Can you believe we never had an Aurora centric episode ever? I mean there's a difference between her and Arthur and Merida. The other two get so much backstory and info and screentime, but they are tangent or dropped off the main plot and sort of stand around lost half the time. Aurora never did that. Likewise, Dorothy is best being the Aurora of season 5b and onwards. That is unless she's actually just a minor character (like Gwen and Lancelot who get an episode when they play so little in the story), of which she deserves no major focus.

      The problem is too many minor characters taking time that isn't theirs to hold and too many medial characters getting an imbalance of screentime and story. Adding more characters to that doesn't make it better, even if you enjoy new characters. It's like continually adding more sugar to the cake just because you like sugar...it will just make it worse.

      It's not just Aurora. Most supporting characters in season 1-3A were added to enrich the story or the main characters. For example, episode 211 was Belle and Mulan's backstory, but it wasn't about Mulan, it was about Belle  (back when she was more than just a babysitting doormat who sleeps all the time) compared to 506 the "Belle's centric" which was all about Merida.

      And Rumple.

      I was just giving an example of a medial character. There were none in 3a (I guess Pan and Neal), but everyone else was minor, like Tink and Ariel.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Where does it say Dorothy will be in multiple episodes? I have never seen anything besides them referring to the role as "recurring guest star." However, I'm certain it is only one episode and the rest is speculative or it's just perspectively erroneous.
      I hope so. There are already too much secondary characters, we don't more. I don't get why people are so excited about that, can't they understand the more characters (returning or new), the more the story is going to be a mess and unfocused.
      I'm excited about the episode, but I will say that noone should want more characters. The writers have shown that we can't put our hope in their hands because it'll always be returned broken and sullied. Many strive for season 1 and 2 thoughts when it has only gotten worse, not better. Hoping that they do get better when the facts show that it gets worse is a sad thing.
      Either those characters would be strong and the main story is denied its full glory or the main story would shortcut those new characters.
      I want more characters, because I enjoy seeing their take on new stories, and you can't do that without introducing more characters. And every show (and any fiction that is serialized really) introduces new characters as it goes on anyway, so I'm not sure what you guys expect.
      Come down from General Hospital of Literary Elements and let's talk literal. (Yeah, a pun!) There is a different level of characters that we mean, which I'm sure you may be aware of.

      New minor characters is different from new medial (whatever is in between minor and major) characters and new main characters. For example, shows introduce love interest #3 for a character and it's totally fine because it's a minor character. Likewise, what Will was.

      The difference is wanting tons of minor characters to be medial characters. We can have to whole gang of Storybrooke hopefuls, but there has to be a balance. We have Zelena, Robin, Belle, Henry and Arthur and Merida as medial characters. So, we must subtract to add new medial characters. If we add Mulan, Red, Medg, Herc, Dorothy, and Hades. That's doubling a cast that didn't get enough balanced exposure. That's the issue I have. We can't bundle them together, minor, medial, and major. More minor characters is trivial, more medial characters is tricky, and more main characters is risky.

      Well, yes, but again, this is something all serialized fiction deals with, and is not exclusive to Once. And I'm not saying I want the new characters to be major characters, but I still enjoy seeing them, even in smaller roles. Like Glinda, she's a good example, she was their take on the classic character, she supported both Zelena's story, and the Charming's story, and she could appear again in the future.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      I agree. A story is more cohesive when there aren't so much minor characters that don't have any purpose other than to distract from the main plot. That is just bad storytelling.
      I will even add to this topic with an example of a temporary medial character done right: Aurora. She was medial for a few episodes in season 2 and she had a character arc and growth and now she appears sporadically throughout the seasons following without ever detracting form the story in any way. That is what they should do, but they tend to start medial and then drop them off the face of the Earth.

      Can you believe we never had an Aurora centric episode ever? I mean there's a difference between her and Arthur and Merida. The other two get so much backstory and info and screentime, but they are tangent or dropped off the main plot and sort of stand around lost half the time. Aurora never did that. Likewise, Dorothy is best being the Aurora of season 5b and onwards. That is unless she's actually just a minor character (like Gwen and Lancelot who get an episode when they play so little in the story), of which she deserves no major focus.

      The problem is too many minor characters taking time that isn't theirs to hold and too many medial characters getting an imbalance of screentime and story. Adding more characters to that doesn't make it better, even if you enjoy new characters. It's like continually adding more sugar to the cake just because you like sugar...it will just make it worse.

      It's not just Aurora. Most supporting characters in season 1-3A were added to enrich the story or the main characters. For example, episode 211 was Belle and Mulan's backstory, but it wasn't about Mulan, it was about Belle  (back when she was more than just a babysitting doormat who sleeps all the time) compared to 506 the "Belle's centric" which was all about Merida.

      I thought 5x06 was more about Belle, especially the present, but even in the flashback, it's Belle who solves the problem by teaching Merida a lesson.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      I agree. A story is more cohesive when there aren't so much minor characters that don't have any purpose other than to distract from the main plot. That is just bad storytelling.
      I will even add to this topic with an example of a temporary medial character done right: Aurora. She was medial for a few episodes in season 2 and she had a character arc and growth and now she appears sporadically throughout the seasons following without ever detracting form the story in any way. That is what they should do, but they tend to start medial and then drop them off the face of the Earth.

      Can you believe we never had an Aurora centric episode ever? I mean there's a difference between her and Arthur and Merida. The other two get so much backstory and info and screentime, but they are tangent or dropped off the main plot and sort of stand around lost half the time. Aurora never did that. Likewise, Dorothy is best being the Aurora of season 5b and onwards. That is unless she's actually just a minor character (like Gwen and Lancelot who get an episode when they play so little in the story), of which she deserves no major focus.

      The problem is too many minor characters taking time that isn't theirs to hold and too many medial characters getting an imbalance of screentime and story. Adding more characters to that doesn't make it better, even if you enjoy new characters. It's like continually adding more sugar to the cake just because you like sugar...it will just make it worse.

      It's not just Aurora. Most supporting characters in season 1-3A were added to enrich the story or the main characters. For example, episode 211 was Belle and Mulan's backstory, but it wasn't about Mulan, it was about Belle  (back when she was more than just a babysitting doormat who sleeps all the time) compared to 506 the "Belle's centric" which was all about Merida.

      I thought 5x06 was more about Belle, especially the present, but even in the flashback, it's Belle who solves the problem by teaching Merida a lesson.

      Not to get off-topic, Belle had the time, but who gets the credit: Merida and Belle. Episode will discover a hero and it's a Belle episode and it's her main goal and everyone but her achieves that goal.

      But let's stay on topic.

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    • Lady Junky wrote: First look at Warrior Dorothy:

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BATB7YPFMq5/?taken-by=terireeves

      Her uniform looks just like Alice's battle dress or something. Aside from Oz, I wonder where else Dorothy might appear.

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    • I wonder if Dorothy has magic (light magic). I mean perhaps she'll free Glinda. Otherwise, I don't know how she'd stand a chance to Megawitch Zelena.

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    • I wonder if other Oz characters will appear with her?

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      First look at Warrior Dorothy:

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BATB7YPFMq5/?taken-by=terireeves

      Looks good. I can't complain.

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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