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    • OH MY GOD.

      Zelena's possible redemption and full breakdown at her little Green Bean.

      Her line about "once you go green, you'll never go queen"!

      Merlin's (totally predictable) untimely death!

      Confirmation that neither of the first two curses touched Camelot since Arthur and Guin didn't recognize what it was!

      OH MY GOD, NIMUE COMING TO STORYBROOKE! I thought for a second it would be Cora.

      Does this mean we'll see Zoso in the next episode? And that Gorgon Bandersnatch person?

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    • The portal to the Underworld is in Storybrooke.... which was originally, some g-d forsaken forest in Maine?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      The portal to the Underworld is in Storybrooke.... which was originally, some g-d forsaken forest in Maine?

      Perhaps that lake was transported from the EF with the second curse, lol. Remember the geography of SB doesn't belong to main because technically the town is a forest.

      Speaking of which,  what happened with Lancelot?

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      The portal to the Underworld is in Storybrooke.... which was originally, some g-d forsaken forest in Maine?
      Perhaps that lake was transported from the EF with the second curse, lol. Remember the geography of SB doesn't belong to main because technically the town is a forest.

      That pond has been there since season 1. It's where MM and David took their strolls.

      It could be that the water from that pond is somehow from Lake Nostos. "It can restore that which has been lost to you." Not to mention, the Well of Storybrooke is confirmed to be Storybrooke's equivalent to Lake Nostos. And it's been stated that magical waters flow underneath all the lands, connecting them.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      The portal to the Underworld is in Storybrooke.... which was originally, some g-d forsaken forest in Maine?
      Perhaps that lake was transported from the EF with the second curse, lol. Remember the geography of SB doesn't belong to main because technically the town is a forest.
      That pond has been there since season 1. It's where MM and David took their strolls.

      It could be that the water from that pond is somehow from Lake Nostos. "It can restore that which has been lost to you." Not to mention, the Well of Storybrooke is confirmed to be Storybrooke's equivalent to Lake Nostos. And it's been stated that magical waters flow underneath all the lands, connecting them.

      Yeah, that too. Or simply it's because the Fury opened a portal there recently and they were just using that previously accesed portal.

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    • Episode was okay. It wasn't super exciting, it just cleared up alot of the remaining issues from the 5A arc (many of which had already been correctly guessed), and is starting to get the presumed Underworld arc of 5B going.

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    • You know, I have a quick question: Since all the Dark Ones die and become normal again, does that mean that the Dakrness in Hook divided itself and went back to its respective hosts (aka the other DOs). Otherwise, they'd just be a bunch or random people that were powerless, but Nimue seems to be the case.

      I guess Dark Rumple is now alone in Hook's head.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      The portal to the Underworld is in Storybrooke.... which was originally, some g-d forsaken forest in Maine?
      Perhaps that lake was transported from the EF with the second curse, lol. Remember the geography of SB doesn't belong to main because technically the town is a forest.

      Speaking of which,  what happened with Lancelot?

      Lancelot went to a safe place so he can reappear sometime in Season 7. XD

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      OH MY GOD.

      Zelena's possible redemption and full breakdown at her little Green Bean.

      Her line about "once you go green, you'll never go queen"!

      Merlin's (totally predictable) untimely death!

      Confirmation that neither of the first two curses touched Camelot since Arthur and Guin didn't recognize what it was!

      OH MY GOD, NIMUE COMING TO STORYBROOKE! I thought for a second it would be Cora.

      Does this mean we'll see Zoso in the next episode? And that Gorgon Bandersnatch person?

      We will see the Dark Ones, but probably not their faces, so they are technically there. Also, I bet the guy who was a giant in Tiny will be playing one of the Dark Ones.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Lancelot went to a safe place so he can reappear sometime in Season 7. XD

      Lol, rofl.... too true!!!!

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      OH MY GOD.

      Zelena's possible redemption and full breakdown at her little Green Bean.

      Her line about "once you go green, you'll never go queen"!

      Merlin's (totally predictable) untimely death!

      Confirmation that neither of the first two curses touched Camelot since Arthur and Guin didn't recognize what it was!

      OH MY GOD, NIMUE COMING TO STORYBROOKE! I thought for a second it would be Cora.

      Does this mean we'll see Zoso in the next episode? And that Gorgon Bandersnatch person?

      I've been wondering about that, how could that beast have possiblybeen able to hold a knife and kill somebody, unless he was once a man and turned into that creature, I wonder if that creature is a refrence to Rumple being the beast 

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    • Ok.... there is still something I don't get: How didn't Hook notice he had magic in Storybrooke?

      It was ok overall. 

      Merlin character was totally disappointing

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      OH MY GOD.

      Zelena's possible redemption and full breakdown at her little Green Bean.

      Her line about "once you go green, you'll never go queen"!

      Merlin's (totally predictable) untimely death!

      Confirmation that neither of the first two curses touched Camelot since Arthur and Guin didn't recognize what it was!

      OH MY GOD, NIMUE COMING TO STORYBROOKE! I thought for a second it would be Cora.

      Does this mean we'll see Zoso in the next episode? And that Gorgon Bandersnatch person?

      I've been wondering about that, how could that beast have possiblybeen able to hold a knife and kill somebody, unless he was once a man and turned into that creature, I wonder if that creature is a refrence to Rumple being the beast 

      Nah, the most likely option is that Gorgon was a shapeshifter like Maleficent. Only with bandersnatches rather than dragons.

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    • Ugh! Rumple dumped, Merlin dying, people yelling at Emma left and right, nothing for Lancelot except that throway line about his mom. I waited two weeks for this? The only good part was the ending. Seriously, what is wrong with Tze Chun?:{

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      The portal to the Underworld is in Storybrooke.... which was originally, some g-d forsaken forest in Maine?
      Perhaps that lake was transported from the EF with the second curse, lol. Remember the geography of SB doesn't belong to main because technically the town is a forest.

      Speaking of which,  what happened with Lancelot?

      Lancelot went to a safe place so he can reappear sometime in Season 7. XD

      Lancelot should've been in Granny's right from "The Dark Swan". He knew about Dark!Hook. Was helping them search for him. But Emma didn't pull him back. And he was obviously pulled over by the third curse.

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    • So, my initial reactions!

      -Dark One Vault must be a preservation spell for any particular Dark One that does die and can be brought back by trading a soul.

      -Hook was being vicious to Emma and really unlikable and I sort of love it! No more puppy dog days and he is sort of justified.

      -Dark Curse was sort of wimpy looking and not it's typical greyish green colors.

      -The rebirth of Hook in the Vault at least gives the Vault a little something.

      -Hook was quick to magic, but the magic was partially cool even though DOs were getting defeated left and right, lol. Red smoke! I guess Nimue and Emma are special in terms of colors.

      -Henry was a twat

      -Dark Rumple saying that Emma was ineffectual, lol

      -Kill Merida

      -Zelena a dn Regina doing some good stuff.

      -Belle has self-respect!

      -Snuff out the light!!!!!!!!! The light!!!!!

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Ok.... there is still something I don't get: How didn't Hook notice he had magic in Storybrooke?

      It was ok overall. 

      Merlin character was totally disappointing

      That's something I'm also wondering, let's say hypotheticall someone wanted to kill the Dark One, could somebody remove his heart and crush it, the only way to kill him is with the dagger though, so could the Dark One live even with his heart crushed or is that no one can remove the Dark One's heart, although the apprentince was able to remove Rumple's heart, maybe the Dark One's heart is un-crushable 

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    • Ladies and Gentlemen! The Dark Ones are Back!

      I wondered if they are spirits in Storybrooke or if they are alive for awhile.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      Ladies and Gentlemen! The Dark Ones are Back!

      I wondered if they are spirits in Storybrooke or if they are alive for awhile.

      Well, depends. They could magic up bodies to encase their spirits. I assume they'll be physical forms.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      OH MY GOD.

      Zelena's possible redemption and full breakdown at her little Green Bean.

      Her line about "once you go green, you'll never go queen"!

      Merlin's (totally predictable) untimely death!

      Confirmation that neither of the first two curses touched Camelot since Arthur and Guin didn't recognize what it was!

      OH MY GOD, NIMUE COMING TO STORYBROOKE! I thought for a second it would be Cora.

      Does this mean we'll see Zoso in the next episode? And that Gorgon Bandersnatch person?

      I've been wondering about that, how could that beast have possiblybeen able to hold a knife and kill somebody, unless he was once a man and turned into that creature, I wonder if that creature is a refrence to Rumple being the beast 
      Nah, the most likely option is that Gorgon was a shapeshifter like Maleficent. Only with bandersnatches rather than dragons.

      No I meant that was his Dark One form like with Rumple's skin and Emma's hair 

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      OH MY GOD.

      Zelena's possible redemption and full breakdown at her little Green Bean.

      Her line about "once you go green, you'll never go queen"!

      Merlin's (totally predictable) untimely death!

      Confirmation that neither of the first two curses touched Camelot since Arthur and Guin didn't recognize what it was!

      OH MY GOD, NIMUE COMING TO STORYBROOKE! I thought for a second it would be Cora.

      Does this mean we'll see Zoso in the next episode? And that Gorgon Bandersnatch person?

      I've been wondering about that, how could that beast have possiblybeen able to hold a knife and kill somebody, unless he was once a man and turned into that creature, I wonder if that creature is a refrence to Rumple being the beast 
      Nah, the most likely option is that Gorgon was a shapeshifter like Maleficent. Only with bandersnatches rather than dragons.
      No I meant that was his Dark One form like with Rumple's skin and Emma's hair 

      Doubt it. The only transformations have been skin (Nimue, Zoso, Rumple and Emma). And even then, not all Dark Ones get transformations as Hook didn't. Though Hook's lack of transformation may be because he got his immortality from Merlin, who also didn't have one?

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    • Sadly Merlin dies. And so it is true that with Nimue as part of every dark one, that is how Hook was able to crush Merlin's heart. At least Merlin rests in peace and will be with his apprentice once again.

      The good news is that Lancelot is still alive.

      We see how Emma took everyone's memories.

      But I wonder, since we finally saw: how everyone was brought back to Storybrook. how Camelot and Merida were swept from the curse too. I wonder if Red and Mulan and Lancelot were swept from the curse and lost their memories as well?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      OH MY GOD.

      Zelena's possible redemption and full breakdown at her little Green Bean.

      Her line about "once you go green, you'll never go queen"!

      Merlin's (totally predictable) untimely death!

      Confirmation that neither of the first two curses touched Camelot since Arthur and Guin didn't recognize what it was!

      OH MY GOD, NIMUE COMING TO STORYBROOKE! I thought for a second it would be Cora.

      Does this mean we'll see Zoso in the next episode? And that Gorgon Bandersnatch person?

      I've been wondering about that, how could that beast have possiblybeen able to hold a knife and kill somebody, unless he was once a man and turned into that creature, I wonder if that creature is a refrence to Rumple being the beast 
      Nah, the most likely option is that Gorgon was a shapeshifter like Maleficent. Only with bandersnatches rather than dragons.
      No I meant that was his Dark One form like with Rumple's skin and Emma's hair 
      Doubt it. The only transformations have been skin (Nimue, Zoso, Rumple and Emma). And even then, not all Dark Ones get transformations as Hook didn't. Though Hook's lack of transformation may be because he got his immortality from Merlin, who also didn't have one?

      Nope. I think it's simple. Hook's skin would have changed once he killed Merlin, but who would makeup on an actor for ten seconds and I assume Emma used magic and hid it. Although, Emma easily knocking out a DO is hilarious, but I guess she is indeed stronger.

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    • I fear the most ancient evil has awakened to destroy all of Storybrooke. The Dark Ones (including Zoso, Gorgon and Nimue)!

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      I fear the most ancient evil has awakened to destroy all of Storybrooke. The Dark Ones (including Zoso, Gorgon and Nimue)!

      I wonder. I mean the DOs could ignore Nimue and just go about their own business and they will just have Dark Rumple in their heads, but otherwise, they probably feel out of place being in a modern world and not knowing anyone.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      Sadly Merlin dies. And so it is true that with Nimue as part of every dark one, that is how Hook was able to crush Merlin's heart. At least Merlin rests in peace and will be with his apprentice once again.

      The good news is that Lancelot is still alive.

      We see how Emma took everyone's memories.

      But I wonder, since we finally saw: how everyone was brought back to Storybrook. how Camelot and Merida were swept from the curse too. I wonder if Red and Mulan and Lancelot were swept from the curse and lost their memories as well?

      Lance was in the Camelot forest, roaming the hills for his mother. He may or may not be in Storybrooke.

      As for Red and Mulan, last we saw of them, they were in DunBroch and presumably heading to the Enchanted Forest. Emma implied in "The Bear And The Bow" that DunBroch was untouched by the Curse. So even if Red and Mulan were still in the vicinity, they would've been untouched. Though Red may have recognized what it was.

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    • Oh and Hook had a different outfit in the last scene in 5x01

      A red/black one

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Oh and Hook had a different outfit in the last scene in 5x01

      A red/black one

      Add it to the List of Goofs, and to the episode's page. ;)

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    • Even though we saw what Belle is doing, I don't think this is goodbye. She may return soon enough after her time of thinking.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      Even though we saw what Belle is doing, I don't think this is goodbye. She may return soon enough after her time of thinking.

      You're joking, right? This is obviously how they plan to write out Emilie De Ravin until she has her baby, by having Belle contemplate who she is without Rumple.

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    • They didn't know back then. They were filming 5x13.

      Unless they filmed that scene later

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    • Well, we don't know what they have planned, but at least Belle shows some self-respect! Cheers!

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    • When we saw Merida on her horse before she was swept from the curse, I suppose she was on her way to camelot to avenge her father.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      Even though we saw what Belle is doing, I don't think this is goodbye. She may return soon enough after her time of thinking.

      You're joking, right? This is obviously how they plan to write out Emilie De Ravin until she has her baby, by having Belle contemplate who she is without Rumple.

      That is what I've been saying for the story.

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    • Now we have:

      Before First Curse

      During First Curse

      After First Curse

      During Second Curse

      After Second Curse

      During Third Curse

      After Third Curse


      LMAO

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      -Hook was being vicious to Emma and really unlikable and I sort of love it! No more puppy dog days and he is sort of justified.

      I loved Dark Hook.... I loved how angry he was at Emma. Did she really expect him to fall into her arms, as if nothing happened?

      Also, loved that everyone was upset at Emma!

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      -Hook was being vicious to Emma and really unlikable and I sort of love it! No more puppy dog days and he is sort of justified.

      I loved Dark Hook.... I loved how angry he was at Emma. Did she really expect him to fall into her arms, as if nothing happened?

      Also, loved that everyone was upset at Emma!

      Well, although I love Dark Hook (and he must have had these feelings repressed a bit), I'm still on part with Emma. Her family never shows her any support. That twat Henry forgiving mass murdering and psyuchological abuser mother and lying, murderous grandfather, but being mad at Emma having Henry dumped in the past he dkoesn't remember in a relationship that would have never worked out? He needs to fix his priorities and it's good he came to his senses.

      Snow and David talked about believing in Emma and stuff, but in SB they did the exact opposite. I wonder if they are trying to make Snow and David into the wrost people ever at this rate.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      -Hook was being vicious to Emma and really unlikable and I sort of love it! No more puppy dog days and he is sort of justified.

      I loved Dark Hook.... I loved how angry he was at Emma. Did she really expect him to fall into her arms, as if nothing happened?

      Also, loved that everyone was upset at Emma!

      Even though Regina is mostly upset with her and might be holding a grudge. Rumple as well (for what she did to Belle).

      At least Emma's Parents are not holding a grudge and are not completely upset with her. It's like they said: they trust her and love her very much, but they do not trust the darkness.

      Henry may have been angry with her, but at least he forgives and moves on.

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    • So this is how Rumple gets to fight Hook properly. Hook managed to use magic to mend his leg. Rumple finally became the warrior and hero that he should have started. And the best part is, that he should honor in not killing his defeated opponent. Baelfire would be very proud of his father.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      -Hook was being vicious to Emma and really unlikable and I sort of love it! No more puppy dog days and he is sort of justified.

      I loved Dark Hook.... I loved how angry he was at Emma. Did she really expect him to fall into her arms, as if nothing happened?

      Also, loved that everyone was upset at Emma!

      Well, although I love Dark Hook (and he must have had these feelings repressed a bit), I'm still on part with Emma. Her family never shows her any support. That twat Henry forgiving mass murdering and psyuchological abuser mother and lying, murderous grandfather, but being mad at Emma having Henry dumped in the past he dkoesn't remember in a relationship that would have never worked out? He needs to fix his priorities and it's good he came to his senses.

      Snow and David talked about believing in Emma and stuff, but in SB they did the exact opposite. I wonder if they are trying to make Snow and David into the wrost people ever at this rate.

      Are you serious? It took three seasons for Henry to forgive Regina. Boo-hoo, it took him a few hours to forgive Emma. I'll give Rumple to you, though. He pulls out a sword from a stone and he's now a hero? Someone crush his heart already.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      -Hook was being vicious to Emma and really unlikable and I sort of love it! No more puppy dog days and he is sort of justified.

      I loved Dark Hook.... I loved how angry he was at Emma. Did she really expect him to fall into her arms, as if nothing happened?

      Also, loved that everyone was upset at Emma!

      Well, although I love Dark Hook (and he must have had these feelings repressed a bit), I'm still on part with Emma. Her family never shows her any support. That twat Henry forgiving mass murdering and psyuchological abuser mother and lying, murderous grandfather, but being mad at Emma having Henry dumped in the past he dkoesn't remember in a relationship that would have never worked out? He needs to fix his priorities and it's good he came to his senses.

      Snow and David talked about believing in Emma and stuff, but in SB they did the exact opposite. I wonder if they are trying to make Snow and David into the wrost people ever at this rate.

      Are you serious? It took three seasons for Henry to forgive Regina. Boo-hoo, it took him a few hours to forgive Emma. I'll give Rumple to you, though. He pulls out a sword from a stone and he's now a hero? Someone crush his heart already.

      But look at the magnitude of their crimes towards Henry and also Henry forgave Regina in season 2 or at least his trust.

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    • So the double crosser (Emma) has been double crossed by Hook.

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    • Why are there so many convenient magic lakes? Underworld portals, over powered Lake Nostos, whatever lake the lady of the lake is from. Also, what was up with spontaneous nonsensical Belle breaking up with Rumple? And why didn't Hook just destroy the light when he had the sword, then kill rumple?

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    • Aptos wrote:
      Why are there so many convenient magic lakes? Underworld portals, over powered Lake Nostos, whatever lake the lady of the lake is from. Also, what was up with spontaneous nonsensical Belle breaking up with Rumple? And why didn't Hook just destroy the light when he had the sword, then kill rumple?

      Magic waters run within all the magical worlds and SB. Magic has always been overpowered. Just look at Emma before the DC in this episode.

      Belle was showing self-respect. Belle has been in this same situation about like five times and the other four times ended badly. She has every right to take a moment and think about things.

      Complex Plan. Nimue wants to snuff out the light, but it might not be what Hook wants.

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    • I wonder why this time it took only a few hours to enact the Dark Curse

      And why was it purple instead of green?

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    • So why do people go to rumplestiltskin in the ef, they can just go to a lake and solve the problem. And belle can think about things, but what was with the speech of she was hoping he would be a hero but doesn't like him now. But good idea with the complex plan

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      I'll give Rumple to you, though. He pulls out a sword from a stone and he's now a hero? Someone crush his heart already.

      Belle already did that for you, lol. I was so proud of her, for finally protecting her heart.

      Eskaver wrote:

      Complex Plan. Nimue wants to snuff out the light, but it might not be what Hook wants.

      Exactly.... Hook is probably playing everyone, including Nimue, in order to snuff out the Darkness. Merlin said, she was needed for it to work.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      Even though we saw what Belle is doing, I don't think this is goodbye. She may return soon enough after her time of thinking.
      You're joking, right? This is obviously how they plan to write out Emilie De Ravin until she has her baby, by having Belle contemplate who she is without Rumple.

      We know she is still in at least the next episode though, so we will see her some at least, just not with Rumple.

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    • Wait, I thought they were going to show the spell with the price of death this episode. The reason why the fury came. Why did it come?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      We know she is still in at least the next episode though, so we will see her some at least, just not with Rumple.

      Yeah.... but from the sound of it, Belle wants to leave town.

      One a separate note.... is it possible that Nimue, just likes making a dramatic enterance? All the Dark Ones probably want their happy endings.... for Nimue it was Merlin. But the only was to get that, was by opening the portal to the Underworld. In order to do that, they needed Gold's blood. Emma just assumed, that Dark Hook thought revenge was his happy ending. She also jumped to the worst case conclusion, that he wanted to snuff out the Light.

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    • Aptos wrote:
      Wait, I thought they were going to show the spell with the price of death this episode. The reason why the fury came. Why did it come?

      Who cares? the only thing you need to know is that there is a lake that conveniently needed the blood of a person who's been in hell and back even though we all know that he never was in Hell.

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    • Aptos wrote:
      And belle can think about things, but what was with the speech of she was hoping he would be a hero but doesn't like him now. 

      Rumplestiltskin broke Belle's heart, more times than anyone can count. She always hoped that he could be a good man, but it came way too late. She does not want to be with him, because she put her life on hold. Belle is finally looking out for herself, and should be applauded for her strength. She did not want to break Gold's heart, but she needed to protect her heart.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      Ugh! Rumple dumped, Merlin dying, people yelling at Emma left and right, nothing for Lancelot except that throway line about his mom. I waited two weeks for this? The only good part was the ending. Seriously, what is wrong with Tze Chun?:{

      Totally agree. All these previous stakes, like Zelena teaming up with Arthur, Merida coming to Camelot to get revenge on Arthur, Merlin's role - all of these storylines were dropped like bomb for less than one minute, while the CaptainSwan drama last for 3/4 the ep. I like CaptainSwan, but this is too much as a lot of other stuffs are going on.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Aptos wrote:
      Wait, I thought they were going to show the spell with the price of death this episode. The reason why the fury came. Why did it come?
      Who cares? the only thing you need to know is that there is a lake that conveniently needed the blood of a person who's been in hell and back even though we all know that he never was in Hell.

      I thought it came for Robin after Emma healed him

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      So, my initial reactions!

      -Dark One Vault must be a preservation spell for any particular Dark One that does die and can be brought back by trading a soul.

      -Hook was being vicious to Emma and really unlikable and I sort of love it! No more puppy dog days and he is sort of justified.

      -Dark Curse was sort of wimpy looking and not it's typical greyish green colors.

      -The rebirth of Hook in the Vault at least gives the Vault a little something.

      -Hook was quick to magic, but the magic was partially cool even though DOs were getting defeated left and right, lol. Red smoke! I guess Nimue and Emma are special in terms of colors.

      -Henry was a twat

      -Dark Rumple saying that Emma was ineffectual, lol

      -Kill Merida

      -Zelena a dn Regina doing some good stuff.

      -Belle has self-respect!

      -Snuff out the light!!!!!!!!! The light!!!!!

      Snuff out the light claim your right to a world of darkness snuff out the light neophytes on a world of darkness

      In case you're wondering that song comes from this

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=374xW4zZbZA

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    • This show is utter crap.  I should have known that the writers would screw up this "Dark Swan" story arc.  And I'm so sick and tired of Emma Swan.  She is probably the worst written character on this damn show.  Kitsis and Horowitz have screwed up with this character since Day One.  They can't even make up their minds on whether to allow her to be as ambiguous as the other characters, or stick her upon some damn pedestal labeled "IDEAL SAVIOR".  I'm done with her.  

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    • CTrent29 wrote:
      This show is utter crap.  I should have known that the writers would screw up this "Dark Swan" story arc.  And I'm so sick and tired of Emma Swan.  She is probably the worst written character on this damn show.  Kitsis and Horowitz have screwed up with this character since Day One.  They can't even make up their minds on whether to allow her to be as ambiguous as the other characters, or stick her upon some damn pedestal labeled "IDEAL SAVIOR".  I'm done with her.  
      • eyeroll* Bye.
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    • What bothered me is that they didnt explain how Hook didnt show any sign of being the dark one ? Like the second after he found out he was one, he changed personality completely and started using magic again. 


      Hook was EVIL in the flashback in this episode. But then Emma erase his memory all the sudden, he's back to being good ? It doesnt make any sens

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    • eyeroll* Bye.



      Just for that comment, I think I'll hang around so I can bitch and moan some more about this show.

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    • Tvfanatic wrote:
      What bothered me is that they didnt explain how Hook didnt show any sign of being the dark one ? Like the second after he found out he was one, he changed personality completely and started using magic again. 


      Hook was EVIL in the flashback in this episode. But then Emma erase his memory all the sudden, he's back to being good ? It doesnt make any sens

      Don't you know? Intentions and memories are totally the same thing...

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    • Another question, why does Emma need to put the darkness in Zelena and then destroy it by killing her ? I thought Excalibur was able to snuff out the darkness without killing anyone because otherwise why was everyone trying to reunite Excalibur in Camelot ?

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    • I honestly thought this episode was kind of disappointing but it was one of the better episodes this arc.

      • Dark!Hook was somewhat interesting. it was better than I thought it was but I didn't really care that much about Hook anyway. I found it really annoying that this season had 3 (maybe 4) main villains. Did they get bored with Emma and Arthur already?
      • Zelena is a boss like always.
      • R.I.P Merlin.
      • I love Nimue so seeing her back is amazing. That ending got me so hyped for next week.
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    • Gathering thoughts:

      - I liked that it was acknowledged that Zelena used Robin in a vile way (why can't they say raped? Seriously?). Now we need that it will be acknowledged that Regina had done the same thing to a guy for 30 years.

      - Rumple saying "There is always a loop hole"  basically admitting we are making shit up as we go.

      - The chronicles of the dark one? WTF?!? That wasn't even used in the episode.

      - Like I thought, that whole curse was just a way to get to Rumple. Why not use the apprentice's wand? Isn't he supposed to be both light and darknow?

      - Merlin conveniently made the Dark Curse, all Hook needed to do is crush Merlin's heart.

      - They really cheapend the dark curse. Which is a shame since it was a big deal back then in season 1.

      - So it was only luck that Dark Rumple hadn't appeared to Hook before he realized he was the Dark One?

      - Not remembering being the dark one is not the same of having evil intentions, I really wish there were signs of Hook being the dark one before the revelation.

      - Hook was being a jerk to Emma and I'm sure they are going to blame it on the Darkness and not deal with it.

      - Operation Cobra pt 2, seriously Henry read a book about animals or something.

      - I like Nimue, She should have said "Look Hook, you're doing a crappy job. Let me handle things from now on".

      - Belle breaking up with Rumple - You go girl! But seriously, did she have to wait these long to tell him that? Why did she stay with him after 506? Why did she tell him it was not to late? I know they need to write her off the show because she's pregnant, but it seemed like she didn't want him anymore because he became a hero. I guess Belle would rather have a beast in her man. Bitch.

      -thanks for showing us how Arthur, Guinevere, Lancelot and Merida have been pointless the entire season.

      - POC: one is missong, one is raped and mind controled and another one is dead. Great job, OUAT.

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    • Good things:

      - Dark Hook, so good, Colin is an amazing Dark One

      - I like Nimue, Caroline Ford plays her just fantastic!

      - Even though I thought the Dark Hook storyline was random and 
would screw over the (already screwed over) Dark Swan storyline, but I actually loved it

      - More and more Underworld mentions

      - Fighting between Captain Swan! This is because Hook realized that Emma is an awful person

      - Dark Swan was actually a weak push over, even though she is the most powerful Dark One ever (Merlin said this) this indicates that the darkness has no control over Emma at all!

      Bad Things:

      - Merlin died! Now my heart is too broken, why didn’t Hook crush Belle’s heart, it would’ve worked too, or just Emma’s heart, but then the whole plot wouldn’t have worked

      - The boat with Dark One’s in the end scene, they were all the same cloaked figures, I would like it if they were all different from each other

      - Rumple could’ve come over with the boat, then he would be a physical Dark One too, I know Rumple is actually still alive, but I don’t care, just duplicate his body and everything is solved

      - Poor Rumple being dumped by Belle again, it's good that Belle finally stands up for herself, but it looks like always goes back to him when he is bad and selfish, but now he can actually be a better person she breaks his heart again. Maybe she just likes bad boys (just kidding)

      Consensus: Hook is even more sexy now, Emma is a bitch, Zelena is actually Marry Poppins, seriously, that outfit was so awful, Regina is amazing, Hook should stay Dark One forever, Underworld arc is most likely 5B, R.I.P Merlin

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    • Was it ever mentioned before this that Lancelot's mother was the Lady of the Lake?? Because my mind just went "!!??!" with that rather out-of-the-blue reveal. Also is she related to the siren Charming killed and does that make Lancelot half-siren?

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    • Toma Cre wrote: Was it ever mentioned before this that Lancelot's mother was the Lady of the Lake?? Because my mind just went "!!??!" with that rather out-of-the-blue reveal. Also is she related to the siren Charming killed and does that make Lancelot half-siren?

      I thought the legend was, that Lancelot was adopted by one of the ladies of the lake. First I thought that Nimue was that lady, but not in Once, because Nimue is obviously not a lady of the lake.

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    • All we can hope for now is that Merlin is somehow resurrected

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    • I am glad they showed a bit more of Hook's transition to darkness. The final scene at "Birth" with Hook so abruptly turning on Emma didn't make a lot of sense but now it seems Hook recovered all his memories in Camelot including the ones of Emma keeping Exacalibur from him. I wish they could have expanded it over at least two episodes though because it still felt a little rushed. 

      It seems Hook's breaking point was because of Emma not trusting him enough to give him a choice and letting him have Excalibur so he can control his own actions. If Emma had indeed given him Excalibur from the start, could this tragedy have been avoided? Or would it just delay the inevitable.

      I wonder what does Hook intend to do by bringing back all the Dark Ones? He said didn't care that Nimue was using him as long as his own goals were accomplished. But what exactly is he trying to do? If he wanted revenge against Rumple, he could have just killed him with a wave of his hand instead of going through that farce of a swordfight. Did he also purposely let Rumple win and why did he let Rumple take Excalibur? Couldn't Emma or Zelena recast the tethering spell with it?

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    • Farerb wrote:

      - Merlin conveniently made the Dark Curse, all Hook needed to do is crush Merlin's heart.

      I am so glad someone else noticed that! Merlin planned this all from the start, Emma is just too stupid to realize what is going one.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      - Merlin conveniently made the Dark Curse, all Hook needed to do is crush Merlin's heart.

      I am so glad someone else noticed that! Merlin planned this all from the start, Emma is just too stupid to realize what is going one.

      But why would Merlin make the dark curse?

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    • Alex The OUaT Fan wrote:

      But why would Merlin make the dark curse?

      Merlin said, Nimue was the key to destorying the Darkness. The only way to resurrect her, was with Gold's blood. Gold and the portal to the Underworld, were in Storybrooke. It was also implied, that all the Dark Ones are just looking for their happy endings.

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    • I didn't expect Hook to all of a sudden forgive Emma, but I'm pretty annoyed that the writers backtracked his character to trying to avenge Milah again. Also, I haven't seen Dark Swan at all this season, I've seen Darkish Swan, but never Dark Swan. I'm frustrated with the way things are headed. However, I did like that Nimue was resurrected though.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Alex The OUaT Fan wrote:

      But why would Merlin make the dark curse?

      Merlin said, Nimue was the key to destorying the Darkness. The only way to resurrect her, was with Gold's blood. Gold and the portal to the Underworld, were in Storybrooke. It was also implied, that all the Dark Ones are just looking for their happy endings.

      It doesn't look like it from the promo. Guess we will have to wait and see.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Alex The OUaT Fan wrote:

      But why would Merlin make the dark curse?

      Merlin said, Nimue was the key to destorying the Darkness. The only way to resurrect her, was with Gold's blood. Gold and the portal to the Underworld, were in Storybrooke. It was also implied, that all the Dark Ones are just looking for their happy endings.

      It doesn't look like it from the promo. Guess we will have to wait and see.

      Nimue would never destroy the darkness, not willingly. But I think I've figured out why Nimue is the key to destroy the darkness. If they kill Nimue with Excalibur the darkness is destroyed, she said herself that she is all dark ones, so it could work!

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    • Alex The OUaT Fan wrote:

      Nimue would never destroy the darkness, not willingly. But I think I've figured out why Nimue is the key to destroy the darkness. If they kill Nimue with Excalibur the darkness is destroyed, she said herself that she is all dark ones, so it could work!

      Regardless of what Nimue is truly after, Merlin said that she was needed. Emma made it virtually impossible to destroy the darkness, when she multiplied it by turning Hook into a Dark One. The only way to Nimue to become physical, was to use Gold's blood. The only way to get to Gold, was to enact the Dark Curse.... which Merlin conveniently brewed.

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    • I had an inkling that Hook's dark plan was related to the Underworld!! Oh my God, Nimue and all the Dark Ones in the flesh! It's gonna be epic! I really enjoy the writing and how compelling the story always is, but hate to admit that some things do bother me. 

      I am super disappointed at Merlin's death. Merlin is the most powerful sorcerer that has ever lived and they've not shown him much in that light. I was upset how they could just kill off a huge character like that. I thought his death would be epic or at least for a better purpose. 

      I am still perplexed about the whole Excalibur-Promethean Flame-Tethering thing. 

      Does anyone realize that none of this would've happened if Arthur wouldn't have nicked Hook, he wouldn't have had that mortal wound before Emma turned him the Dark One, Merlin wouldn't have died, and the Darkness would have been vanquished once and for all. 

      Also, I am extremely worried and in tears about the downturn of CaptainSwan's relationship. I don't know whether he should've been turned into a dark one and I pity Emma and understand that all she did was to save someone she loved. It may have been selfish, but it was justified. It was for true love and she tried to save a life, although through unwarranted means. At the same time, I do understand that Emma paid the price for multiplying the darkness by turning Hook into a Dark One.

      I really felt that Snow and Charming, although have had faith in Emma, haven't been pivotal in her struggle or role as the Dark One. I felt Regina and Hook were the more important figures that helped her see the light. I wish "Swan Song" can establish that strong relationship among the three characters (Snow, Charming and Emma).

      I agree with Regina that Zelena's insanity must end. But then how fun would that be?

      Overall, I FRIGGIN' LOVE ONCE UPON A TIME!

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    • Ouatiwillalwaysfindyou wrote:

      I am still perplexed about the whole Excalibur-Promethean Flame-Tethering thing. 

      It is pretty simple.... Emma used the darkest of all magic, to steal Merlin's magic and immortality. 

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    • http://anothershadeofgreen.tumblr.com/post/134267623868/what-happened-after-camelot

      Could this be right? It kind of gives me hope that the story isn't as stupid as it seems to me right now

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:

      Could this be right? It kind of gives me hope that the story isn't as stupid as it seems to me right now

      Lol.... everyone is already dead!

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    • Another question, why does Emma need to put the darkness in Zelena and then destroy it by killing her ? I thought Excalibur was able to snuff out the darkness without killing anyone because otherwise why was everyone trying to reunite Excalibur in Camelot ?


      Because she wants to pretend to herself that she can make up for her stupid blunder in the Season 3 finale by setting Zelena up to be murdered in cold blood.

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    • CTrent29 wrote:
      Another question, why does Emma need to put the darkness in Zelena and then destroy it by killing her ? I thought Excalibur was able to snuff out the darkness without killing anyone because otherwise why was everyone trying to reunite Excalibur in Camelot ?

      Because she wants to pretend to herself that she can make up for her stupid blunder in the Season 3 finale by setting Zelena up to be murdered in cold blood.

      That.... and because Emma multipied the Darkness, and now needs to make a human sacrifice.

      Also, it is very possible that the entire town was marked for death. Which explains the fury's arrival for Robin, and then Emma's plan to murder Zelena. Both plans failed, and now Nimue is in Storybrooke to collect the souls. The Dark Swan said, in 5.02, that there was a problem heading to Storybrooke that only a savior could solve. She was probably referring to Nimue, not the fury. So, Hook could be playing along with Nimue, to force Emma into using him as the sacrifice. After all, he was destined to die back in Camelot.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Alex The OUaT Fan wrote:

      Nimue would never destroy the darkness, not willingly. But I think I've figured out why Nimue is the key to destroy the darkness. If they kill Nimue with Excalibur the darkness is destroyed, she said herself that she is all dark ones, so it could work!

      Regardless of what Nimue is truly after, Merlin said that she was needed. Emma made it virtually impossible to destroy the darkness, when she multiplied it by turning Hook into a Dark One. The only way to Nimue to become physical, was to use Gold's blood. The only way to get to Gold, was to enact the Dark Curse.... which Merlin conveniently brewed.

      Emma made it impossible to destroy the darkness without paying the steepest of prices, a life. To destroy the darkness a life must be payed, the life of the person who the darkness is teathered to. Of course you have to use Excalibur.

      But all I am saying is that, maybe, just maybe, there is still another way to destroy the darkness, by killing Nimue with Excalibur, which is possible now, because she is physically alive.

      Why, because Nimue is all Dark Ones, she practically is the darkness itself. At lest, she started it. So by destroying the darkness in her, you destroy the darkness in all dark ones.

      That would explain why Merlin said Nimue is the key to ending the dark one and why he was brewing the dark curse, he needed Gold's blood to open the underworld world portal, like you said.

      I hope my theory makes more sense now, because the more I try to explain, the less sense it makes to myself.

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    • Alex The OUaT Fan wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Alex The OUaT Fan wrote:

      Nimue would never destroy the darkness, not willingly. But I think I've figured out why Nimue is the key to destroy the darkness. If they kill Nimue with Excalibur the darkness is destroyed, she said herself that she is all dark ones, so it could work!

      Regardless of what Nimue is truly after, Merlin said that she was needed. Emma made it virtually impossible to destroy the darkness, when she multiplied it by turning Hook into a Dark One. The only way to Nimue to become physical, was to use Gold's blood. The only way to get to Gold, was to enact the Dark Curse.... which Merlin conveniently brewed.
      Emma made it impossible to destroy the darkness without paying the steepest of prices, a life. To destroy the darkness a life must be payed, the life of the person who the darkness is teathered to. Of course you have to use Excalibur.

      But all I am saying is that, maybe, just maybe, there is still another way to destroy the darkness, by killing Nimue with Excalibur, which is possible now, because she is physically alive.

      Why, because Nimue is all Dark Ones, she practically is the darkness itself. At lest, she started it. So by destroying the darkness in her, you destroy the darkness in all dark ones. I hope my theory makes more sense now, because the more I try to explain, the less sense it makes to myself.

      I agree. Perhaps by defeating the Darkness in Nimue you defeat all Darkness (of the DOs). But will that happen next episode, I don't know. I mean since all the DOs are more powerful than everyone else the dozen of them should probably win, but I'll wait to see what plot device they will use to win.

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      http://anothershadeofgreen.tumblr.com/post/134267623868/what-happened-after-camelot

      Could this be right? It kind of gives me hope that the story isn't as stupid as it seems to me right now

      I think that's just someone over analysing the show. We saw the Dark Curse enveloping everybody, and all the bodies were in the same posision in Granny's as they were when it reappeared in SB, so I'm pretty sure there is no time between that scene in 510, and the other scene in 501.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: I think that's just someone over analysing the show. We saw the Dark Curse enveloping everybody, and all the bodies were in the same posision in Granny's as they were when it reappeared in SB, so I'm pretty sure there is no time between that scene in 510, and the other scene in 501.

      Actually, Hook was in the wrong outfit.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote: I think that's just someone over analysing the show. We saw the Dark Curse enveloping everybody, and all the bodies were in the same posision in Granny's as they were when it reappeared in SB, so I'm pretty sure there is no time between that scene in 510, and the other scene in 501.
      Actually, Hook was in the wrong outfit.

      Well, could just say that Emma changed the outfits when they got back to SB and then poofed out before everyone awoke.

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    • Also, OP Emma for the win! She is the most powerful DO (supossedly).

      She literally did all of this:

      -Vaporize Merlin's corpse

      -Knock out Dark One Hook

      -Summoned a Dreamcatcher and took his memories

      All in a few seconds, then she:

      -Teleported and knocked out everyone who came with them

      - Changed all of their clothes

      -Put things the way they were, like Zelena's cuff from somewhere (or is it new?)

      In a few gestures.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote: I think that's just someone over analysing the show. We saw the Dark Curse enveloping everybody, and all the bodies were in the same posision in Granny's as they were when it reappeared in SB, so I'm pretty sure there is no time between that scene in 510, and the other scene in 501.
      Actually, Hook was in the wrong outfit.

      Well, could just say that Emma changed the outfits when they got back to SB and then poofed out before everyone awoke.

      I also think it's over analyzing, 5A was just rushed, so of course there are some things that didn't make sense.

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    • Also, OP Emma for the win! She is the most powerful DO (supossedly).

      She literally did all of this:

      -Vaporize Merlin's corpse

      -Knock out Dark One Hook


      Who cares? I no longer care how powerful Emma is. What is that supposed to mean? I'm supposed to ignore all the crap Emma did, because is "all powerful"?

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      I agree. Perhaps by defeating the Darkness in Nimue you defeat all Darkness (of the DOs). But will that happen next episode, I don't know. I mean since all the DOs are more powerful than everyone else the dozen of them should probably win, but I'll wait to see what plot device they will use to win.

      My guess.... Hook holds down Nimue, while Emma runs both of them through with Excalibur.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Also, OP Emma for the win! She is the most powerful DO (supossedly).

      She literally did all of this:

      -Vaporize Merlin's corpse

      -Knock out Dark One Hook

      -Summoned a Dreamcatcher and took his memories

      All in a few seconds, then she:

      -Teleported and knocked out everyone who came with them

      - Changed all of their clothes

      -Put things the way they were, like Zelena's cuff from somewhere (or is it new?)

      In a few gestures.

      Well, Merlin foresaw that Emma would be the most powerful DO once she embraced her darkness.

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    • Well, Merlin foresaw that Emma would be the most powerful DO once she embraced her darkness.


      Again . . . so what?

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    • CTrent29 wrote: Well, Merlin foresaw that Emma would be the most powerful DO once she embraced her darkness.


      Again . . . so what?

      If you don't care about, why do you comment on it?

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    • how come Hook was dying from the cut from Excalibur, and Rumple seems fine?

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    • I still don't get it, how can Hook not know he is a Dark One even without memories? Did I miss something?

      And what's up with Lancelot? He's gone I guess? Not part of the curse again? But I thought Nimue WAS the lady of the lake in the legend. ????

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    • Ok, Thoughts:

      - Love Dark Hook. However, the call out to Milah was part of an act.  Killian is over Milah, as is Rumple.  They've both moved on.

      - There are definitely signs that Hook is not all Dark. The biggest of which is that Gold still lives. Hook showed good form in healing Gold's leg, and I honestly think he allowed Gold to win.  Yes, he got the blood, but after that he still could have killled him. Instead, he left him alive and with Excalibur. (assuming that was the real one, and not another fake).

      - Dark CaptainSwan - WOW! the feels (both good and not so good). I guess Hook is done with being Emma's puppy dog, at least for the moment.

      - Yay for Belle. There is still hope for Rumpbelle, but they are taking steps to resolve it in a better way.  Their feelings for each other are real, but Belle is finally being realistic about the next steps. And Gold even recognized that Belle's choices were based on who SHE was, not who he was. without the darkness driving him, he seems to be making better choices, and also being more understanding and truly empathetic of what is going on.

      - Finally, Regina and Robin come to their senses regarding Zelena.  I think that the confession of Regina about Henry being the catalyst for her redemption, while we already knew that, was nice as a continuation for her.  Maybe, just Maybe, there is a chance that the Mills family can get it together.

      Stray thoughts:

      - Is Merlin REALLY dead?  Or will he show up along with all of the Dark Ones?  He seems to have it too much together not to have a contigency plan.

      - What is Dark one Hook's game?  He's up to something even beyond what we have seen.

      - Good catch on the time line. Now maybe it is nothing, but then again, there may be 2-3 additional weeks in Storybrooke that we need to learn about.

      - I doubt that Emma was really going to tether Zelena to the sword and kill her. Primarily because tethering her to the sword would only cause Zelena to transport back to the EF to the DO vault. So Emma had a different game in mind, but that one got temporarily derailed. (or did it?)

      - Where is Lancelot? We know he went to seek out his Mom, the Lady of the Lake (Nice pull in of Arthurian legend), and he has not been seen in SB, but I'm betting he's there. Somehow, I am betting that part comes into play in "Swan Song".

      - What's going to happen when the DO convention comes to Storybrooke. Is the town going to go to Hell in a Handbasket?

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:

      - Is Merlin REALLY dead?  Or will he show up along with all of the Dark Ones?  He seems to have it too much together not to have a contigency plan.

      - What is Dark one Hook's game?  He's up to something even beyond what we have seen.

      Something tells me this chaos, is Merlin's contingency plan. Way too many pieces of his prophecy, about the destruction of the Darkness, have fallen into place. Dark Hook definitely has his own agenda, that no one else knows about. Somehow Merlin's prophecy, and Hook's true plan will probably tie together. 

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    • Anyone else thinks Hooks end game is to resurrect is brother that's why he wants to open the gates (or wateres) of hell?

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    • EvaC wrote:
      how come Hook was dying from the cut from Excalibur, and Rumple seems fine?

      Hook scratched Rumple using his hook, not Excalibur. Hook just wanted to extract his blood to open the portal to the underworld (shown at the end of the episode) :)

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    • TheGreenLotus wrote:
      Anyone else thinks Hooks end game is to resurrect is brother that's why he wants to open the gates (or wateres) of hell?

      Lol, nope! He hasn't even mentioned him in his dialogue. I'm sure that's it for him stealing souls.

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    • Eskaver wrote: I'm sure that's it for him stealing souls.

      There is no doubt, that Nimue is back to reap the souls of Storybrooke. However, I have one question.... when did Once Upon a Time become Supernatural? 

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    • If it wasn't for the fact that Liam has not even been mentioned for 2 seasons, I might have thought this to be a good suggestion. but the writers would not spring such a twist without at least a little subtle forshadowing.  Milah, on the Other hand, would be a good suggestion, if it wasn't for the fact that both Killian and Rumple had moved on to new loves. She was name dropped in the last episode (Broken Heart), so is at least fresh on the viewers minds again.

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    • This episode has shown me that I have two new favorite characters: Dark Rumple and Dark Nimue. Take me to the Dark Side!

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      If it wasn't for the fact that Liam has not even been mentioned for 2 seasons, I might have thought this to be a good suggestion. but the writers would not spring such a twist without at least a little subtle forshadowing. 

      Liam was mentioned, in 5.08.... he gave Hook the enchanted ring. Something tells me, that Hook would never want his brother to see him like this. 

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    • I'm not sure how I feel about all the DOs coming back as it seems they'll have magic. It makes sense if they had magic power before becoming the DO (like Nimue), but individuals with magical powers do not seem that common so it doesn't really make sense to have all of them being magically powerfull.

      There are no sign so far that Rumple has retain his magicial power let-alone his knowledge although I think he could make potions and stuff but simply wants to stay as far as possible from it which would explain why Merlin was able to make that voice-mail-dark-curse-ready cauldron after loosing its power. 


      When modifying the curse, Emma took the memories from maximum 10 persons, yet her garage was filled with dreamcatchers. Why in hell did she needed to take away so many memories after the curse was completed? Or are they simply the manifestation of the memory lost of everybody who was included in the curse?


      Eventhough Emma took Hook's memories away how could he not hear Excalibur calling him? I guess they'll trow an easy line at some point where Hook says he felt weird whenever around Emma's house...


      And again, concerning that curse, how fortunate was Hook to have that cauldron ready with only 1 ingredient missing to cast the curse... I thought Merlin was a real deception thus far this season but I think the Dark Ones are up for a masterclass of what making a big-ass plan is all about. I wouldn't be surprise if Merlin was able to come to Storybrooke using that Underworld boat.

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    • Vertblancrouge wrote:
      I'm not sure how I feel about all the DOs coming back as it seems they'll have magic. It makes sense if they had magic power before becoming the DO (like Nimue), but individuals with magical powers do not seem that common so it doesn't really make sense to have all of them being magically powerfull.

      There are no sign so far that Rumple has retain his magicial power let-alone his knowledge although I think he could make potions and stuff but simply wants to stay as far as possible from it which would explain why Merlin was able to make that voice-mail-dark-curse-ready cauldron after loosing its power.

      I think that If Rumple got the Dark Rumple figment back, he'd have magic once again.

      I assume that Hook raised the corpses and the Darknesses in him went to theirformer selfves and reurned to their normal DO selves. They all have the same HG magic shared amonst them. So, imagine that Nimue is their ribbn bracelts like Ingrid had. In grid could weild Emma and Elsa's powers as well as her own and now I think that each DO can do the same things. So, they all just pull power from the same pot. So, one DO could be as strong as all the DOs together.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      This episode has shown me that I have two new favorite characters: Dark Rumple and Dark Nimue. Take me to the Dark Side!

      Nimue is great! I wish Merlin and Nimue would have been the only guests this season. It would have been so much better without the pointless Camelot characters and Merida.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      This episode has shown me that I have two new favorite characters: Dark Rumple and Dark Nimue. Take me to the Dark Side!
      Nimue is great! I wish Merlin and Nimue would have been the only guests this season. It would have been so much better without the pointless Camelot characters and Merida.

      Well, they could have downplayed the Camelot characters, but that's because it seems as if they twisted the narrative halfway through. I could do with an entire series or episodes of each DO but then again, most of the hardcore fans are shippers, so they might not like that, lol.

      With Lance's randomly magically powerful witch mom (how many super powerful witches are there? COuld have helped sooner!), they should have spent more time on this arc with those characters. If Lance and Gwen had a journey and did something over a few epiosdes, if Arthur actually showed his journey into insanity, and if they actually slowed down for a second all of this would have been significantly better.

      They've shown that they can tell a good story over an arc, like Anna's journey across the world, with a few other flashbacks. This arc, they threw everything and their bear at us in terms of flashbacks.

      But anyhow, Nimue is great! Just take Nimue, Merlin, Rumple and they would be the campy, dark, and eyecandy anyone would need.

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    • CTrent29 wrote:
      eyeroll* Bye.



      Just for that comment, I think I'll hang around so I can bitch and moan some more about this show.

      And I think I'll hang around so I can see if you learn how to use a quote button. ;)

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    • Also, Lancelot himself says in "Lady Of The Lake" that his mother raised him by the shores of a lake... Are you people not watching the show? Also, 5A has established that David (Nolan) knows of Arthur and Guinevere. So it's safe to assume that Mary Margaret also had memories of reading "the old story" as Guinevere called it, and y'know... Put two and two together?

      Though the Lady of the Lake, who is Lancelot's adoptive mother, is supposed to be Nimue. Which in Once, is obviously not the case. Unless they pull an Ursula and have two women named Nimue.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Though the Lady of the Lake, who is Lancelot's adoptive mother, is supposed to be Nimue. Which in Once, is obviously not the case. Unless they pull an Ursula and have two women named Nimue.

      Actually, there were two Ladies of the Lake, in Arthurian legend. One was Nimue, who imprisoned Merlin within a tree. The other raised Lancelot, and gave Excalibur to Arthur.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Though the Lady of the Lake, who is Lancelot's adoptive mother, is supposed to be Nimue. Which in Once, is obviously not the case. Unless they pull an Ursula and have two women named Nimue.

      Actually, there were two Ladies of the Lake, in Arthurian legend. One was Nimue, who imprisoned Merlin within a tree. The other raised Lancelot, and gave Excalibur to Arthur.

      Wait, two? What was the other one named?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Though the Lady of the Lake, who is Lancelot's adoptive mother, is supposed to be Nimue. Which in Once, is obviously not the case. Unless they pull an Ursula and have two women named Nimue.

      Actually, there were two Ladies of the Lake, in Arthurian legend. One was Nimue, who imprisoned Merlin within a tree. The other raised Lancelot, and gave Excalibur to Arthur.
      Wait, two? What was the other one named?

      I don't think she had a name.

      Now, Lance had said he had a mom (well, duh!) And she's powerfula dn for some reason I kept thinking about Nyx, lol.

      I do hope we see her!

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    • How did they enact the Dark Curse in Camelot??

      The Dark Curse was in Storybrooke. 

      Because there is only one: The one Rumple and his bitches stole from the Chernabog cave

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      How did they enact the Dark Curse in Camelot??

      The Dark Curse was in Storybrooke. 

      Because there is only one: The one Rumple and his bitches stole from the Chernabog cave

      We're pretty sure what Rumple stole was a Dark Curse template, because as we've seen, you can change the specifications of the curse.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      How did they enact the Dark Curse in Camelot??

      The Dark Curse was in Storybrooke. 

      Because there is only one: The one Rumple and his bitches stole from the Chernabog cave

      How did Hook enact it by pouring heart ashes in a cauldron of communication potion?

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    • But that template is necessary to enact it, isn't it?

      I mean, when Pan enacted the Dark Curse, he just re-used the same one Regina used, so I think that was ok. 

      But here, they just "created" the Dark Curse out of nowhere

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    • Oh and it took only a few hours to cast it

      In season 1, we saw it took at least 9 months to do it

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      But that template is necessary to enact it, isn't it?

      I mean, when Pan enacted the Dark Curse, he just re-used the same one Regina used, so I think that was ok. 

      But here, they just "created" the Dark Curse out of nowhere

      The Dark Curse has very specific ingredients. Regina collected them in "The Thing You Love Most", Pan collected them in Henry's body in "The New Neverland" and Regina presumably had backups of everything (except the hair of those with dark souls) in her Palace.

      Meanwhile, there's no way in hell (LOL) Merlin would have any ingredients for such a dark spell in his cauldron when he practices only light magic. He was doing a communication spell.

      Hook poured Merlin's heart ashes in and that was it. No ingredients, no anything. Just the desire to cast the Dark Curse and the sacrifice of a heart.

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    • Maybe Granny had the ingredients in the kitchen hahaha

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      But that template is necessary to enact it, isn't it?

      I mean, when Pan enacted the Dark Curse, he just re-used the same one Regina used, so I think that was ok. 

      But here, they just "created" the Dark Curse out of nowhere

      The Dark Curse has very specific ingredients. Regina collected them in "The Thing You Love Most", Pan collected them in Henry's body in "The New Neverland" and Regina presumably had backups of everything (except the hair of those with dark souls) in her Palace.

      Meanwhile, there's no way in hell (LOL) Merlin would have any ingredients for such a dark spell in his cauldron when he practices only light magic. He was doing a communication spell.

      Hook poured Merlin's heart ashes in and that was it. No ingredients, no anything. Just the desire to cast the Dark Curse and the sacrifice of a heart.

      Hook "probably" went to collect ingredients when Emma couldn't find him.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Meanwhile, there's no way in hell (LOL) Merlin would have any ingredients for such a dark spell in his cauldron when he practices only light magic. He was doing a communication spell.

      Of course not.... Merlin only had a spell book, with the ingredients to destory Light magic. He also forged his apprentice's wand, with both Light and Dark magic. Elliot Knight even referred to Merlin, as being ambiguous. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Meanwhile, there's no way in hell (LOL) Merlin would have any ingredients for such a dark spell in his cauldron when he practices only light magic. He was doing a communication spell.

      Of course not.... Merlin only had a spell book, with the ingredients to destory Light magic. He also forged his apprentice's wand, with both Light and Dark magic. Elliot Knight even referred to Merlin, as being ambiguous. 
      • Being a scholar doesn't mean he's a practitioner. Someone who writes psychology books about the mentality of serial killers isn't a serial killer.
      • We have yet to see how that wand was forged, for all we know it could've been a branch blasted by both Nimue and Merlin during a struggle, since one needs equal amounts of each.
      • Elliot is right. Merlin is very ambiguous. But that's in his being mysterious and vague, not in his polarity. He's very much been shown as being a hero.

      And it doesn't change the fact that the cauldron couldn't possibly have the ingredients needed to cast the Dark Curse, nor was Hook shown to have collected them at any point.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Meanwhile, there's no way in hell (LOL) Merlin would have any ingredients for such a dark spell in his cauldron when he practices only light magic. He was doing a communication spell.

      Of course not.... Merlin only had a spell book, with the ingredients to destory Light magic. He also forged his apprentice's wand, with both Light and Dark magic. Elliot Knight even referred to Merlin, as being ambiguous. 
      • Being a scholar doesn't mean he's a practitioner. Someone who writes psychology books about the mentality of serial killers isn't a serial killer.
      • We have yet to see how that wand was forged, for all we know it could've been a branch blasted by both Nimue and Merlin during a struggle, since one needs equal amounts of each.
      • Elliot is right. Merlin is very ambiguous. But that's in his being mysterious and vague, not in his polarity. He's very much been shown as being a hero.

      And it doesn't change the fact that the cauldron couldn't possibly have the ingredients needed to cast the Dark Curse, nor was Hook shown to have collected them at any point.

      Hook went a way and Emma had to eventually summon Hook that is probably when Hook tp'ed to Regina;s castle or Rumple's and took some ingredients.

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    • The Dark Curse was used for "good", when Snow White cast her's. There is more to what is going on, than meets the eye.... and Merlin foresaw all of this, coming to pass.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Oh and it took only a few hours to cast it

      In season 1, we saw it took at least 9 months to do it

      It didn't take 9 months, Regina is just fail-tastic and used a horse's heart, instead of her father's. When she actually used her father's heart, the curse activated immediatly.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Meanwhile, there's no way in hell (LOL) Merlin would have any ingredients for such a dark spell in his cauldron when he practices only light magic. He was doing a communication spell.

      Of course not.... Merlin only had a spell book, with the ingredients to destory Light magic. He also forged his apprentice's wand, with both Light and Dark magic. Elliot Knight even referred to Merlin, as being ambiguous. 
      • Being a scholar doesn't mean he's a practitioner. Someone who writes psychology books about the mentality of serial killers isn't a serial killer.
      • We have yet to see how that wand was forged, for all we know it could've been a branch blasted by both Nimue and Merlin during a struggle, since one needs equal amounts of each.
      • Elliot is right. Merlin is very ambiguous. But that's in his being mysterious and vague, not in his polarity. He's very much been shown as being a hero.

      And it doesn't change the fact that the cauldron couldn't possibly have the ingredients needed to cast the Dark Curse, nor was Hook shown to have collected them at any point.

      Hook went a way and Emma had to eventually summon Hook that is probably when Hook tp'ed to Regina;s castle or Rumple's and took some ingredients.

      I'd have to rewatch to know if he would've had enough time for it, but yeah. Seems like "it happened off-screen" is now A&E's excuse for everything.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      The Dark Curse was used for "good", when Snow White cast her's. There is more to what is going on, than meets the eye.... and Merlin foresaw all of this, coming to pass.

      Doesn't matter what it was used for. It's still Dark Magic, and the price to pay was Charming's heart. That sounds "good" to you? And Merlin didn't see details, or he would've known that going to get the spark was in vain. He sees paths, not destinations.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Meanwhile, there's no way in hell (LOL) Merlin would have any ingredients for such a dark spell in his cauldron when he practices only light magic. He was doing a communication spell.

      Of course not.... Merlin only had a spell book, with the ingredients to destory Light magic. He also forged his apprentice's wand, with both Light and Dark magic. Elliot Knight even referred to Merlin, as being ambiguous. 
      • Being a scholar doesn't mean he's a practitioner. Someone who writes psychology books about the mentality of serial killers isn't a serial killer.
      • We have yet to see how that wand was forged, for all we know it could've been a branch blasted by both Nimue and Merlin during a struggle, since one needs equal amounts of each.
      • Elliot is right. Merlin is very ambiguous. But that's in his being mysterious and vague, not in his polarity. He's very much been shown as being a hero.

      And it doesn't change the fact that the cauldron couldn't possibly have the ingredients needed to cast the Dark Curse, nor was Hook shown to have collected them at any point.

      Hook went a way and Emma had to eventually summon Hook that is probably when Hook tp'ed to Regina;s castle or Rumple's and took some ingredients.
      I'd have to rewatch to know if he would've had enough time for it, but yeah. Seems like "it happened off-screen" is now A&E's excuse for everything.

      You make it sound like we all really wanted to see Hook go collect the ingredients. When I only get 43 minutes of Once a week, I don't want time wasted with Colin looking through prop bottles. XD

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    • Hook looking through bottles and being conflicted would be a tad bit more concise than whatever Merida was doing.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Hook looking through bottles and being conflicted would be a tad bit more concise than whatever Merida was doing.

      Precisely. I expected at least five minutes of Emma and Hook passing by Merida or Merida actively trying to assasinate Arthur.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Hook looking through bottles and being conflicted would be a tad bit more concise than whatever Merida was doing.

      XD. Merida was useful this season, but was kind of random in what she was used for (meeting the newly made Dark Emma, giving Belle and Gold plot for an episode that advanced their characters, establishing just how crazy Arthur was, reintroducing Mulan and Red, etc.), which is where I think people have the problem with her.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Hook looking through bottles and being conflicted would be a tad bit more concise than whatever Merida was doing.
      XD. Merida was useful this season, but was kind of random in what she was used for (meeting the newly made Dark Emma, giving Belle and Gold plot for an episode that advanced their characters, establishing just how crazy Arthur was, reintroducing Mulan and Red, etc.), which is where I think people have the problem with her.

      I have a simply solution. Put 506 and 509 together. Especially since they all are friends of Belle even though they never mention her once. Have Belle and Merida be saving the day because the witch threatened the kingdom and they exiled Merida and then run into Mulan Rouge and solve something and at the end show that Arthur killed Fergus in the cauldron.

      Terrible idea, but that extra episode should have gone to Hook's angst and the future flashbacks perhaps.

      Anyhow, Merida was okay in the pliot as a random encounter but she really stuck around for nothing much. It feels as if the storytelling had a major shift aound the middle.

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    • As I said on the raitings thread. 

      This "Dark Hook" thing totally needed the 43 minutes they wasted in 5x09. 

      There are a lot of thing they needed to explain better

      I can't even think on a reason why they wasted an episode like that. 

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      As I said on the raitings thread. 

      This "Dark Hook" thing totally needed the 43 minutes they wasted in 5x09. 

      There are a lot of thing they needed to explain better

      I can't even think on a reason why they wasted an episode like that. 

      You know what? Could have had Hook as the villain and going through stuff! Collected ingredients from the Witch and talk about BEARS! hahahahaha (Still love that moment and that accent!)

      Simple fix.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      As I said on the raitings thread. 

      This "Dark Hook" thing totally needed the 43 minutes they wasted in 5x09. 

      There are a lot of thing they needed to explain better

      I can't even think on a reason why they wasted an episode like that. 

      Just goes to prove, that 5.09 was shoehorn into the arc, for marketing purposes only. From what we heard, the Camelot arc was originally going to be 10 episodes. Anyway.... Dark Hook is just a temporary state, which explains why it is only featured in 2 episodes.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      As I said on the raitings thread. 

      This "Dark Hook" thing totally needed the 43 minutes they wasted in 5x09. 

      There are a lot of thing they needed to explain better

      I can't even think on a reason why they wasted an episode like that. 

      Just goes to prove, that 5.09 was shoehorn into the arc, for marketing purposes only. From what we heard, the Camelot arc was originally going to be 10 episodes. Anyway.... Dark Hook is just a temporary state, which explains why it is only featured in 2 episodes.

      The funny part is 509 was like anit-marketing for regular Once. You know some users here and elsewhere get mad when I or someone esle says no to any Disney and random favortie Disney to insert ideas because of multiple reasons:

      1) They suck. Sometimgs like Jungle Book can go to the shredder because it makes no sense on Once.

      2) It becomes a Frozen and consumes the show in Disney propaganda.

      3) Then people think it's Disney live and they complain why Ursula isn't a purple fat octopus lady and why is there no singing. Singing crap needs to go in to the the garbage too.

      4) It diverts the show between too extremes: SEason 1 thru 3 and then campy fun-fun for kids and seriously some people want the campy-fun-fun

      5) There is no greater focus than the main core cast and if you think Once was about many characters you've been watching with your eyes close. If it isn't the main cast, stay low and then go. (or be a good extra) If anyone thinks their pal Jasmine deserves and episode, well look back at 509 and how it disrupted the story and it'll be the same way. Doesn't deserve an episode if not relevant.

      6) They need to take a break and make an arc a season long with two smaller stories that connect and have great payoff. I'd say that between every Merida Bear-bon episode, the narrative switched gears and focuses.

      Season 5 Part 1 was Arthurian legend and Once is cool. Look as Emma struggles and falls into Darkjness what did they do?

      Season 5 Part 2 was Forget that Arthur crap, Merlin the Gorgeous has arrived and continbues to be vague and bewilderingly a good focal point. Watch Emma give leeways to light while she fights the Darkness yet. But she gives in.

      Season 5 Part 3 was hahah, kidding about everything before. Emma has no problem with Darkness and it was just her random plan and it's was all about Hook's angst. Merlin  and all Arthurian legend is crapped on and let's get to the next arc please and thank you.

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    • It is all Merida's fault.... she is the true villain!

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      It is all Merida's fault.... she is the true villain!

      She must be the Red Herring after all. The Red Herring is Once's biggest villain besides its sidekick the Contrivance Fairy.

      But sorry for getting off-topic.

      Merida was at least meme spouting.

      I do swear they pay Sean just to say a line per episode. I wish I could have that job. Just look good and say a line once every week.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      I do swear they pay Sean just to say a line per episode. I wish I could have that job. Just look good and say a line once every week.

      At least, Sean is on contract.... Joana Metrass is a glorified extra, as Guinevere.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Hook looking through bottles and being conflicted would be a tad bit more concise than whatever Merida was doing.
      XD. Merida was useful this season, but was kind of random in what she was used for (meeting the newly made Dark Emma, giving Belle and Gold plot for an episode that advanced their characters, establishing just how crazy Arthur was, reintroducing Mulan and Red, etc.), which is where I think people have the problem with her.
      I have a simply solution. Put 506 and 509 together. Especially since they all are friends of Belle even though they never mention her once. Have Belle and Merida be saving the day because the witch threatened the kingdom and they exiled Merida and then run into Mulan Rouge and solve something and at the end show that Arthur killed Fergus in the cauldron.

      Terrible idea, but that extra episode should have gone to Hook's angst and the future flashbacks perhaps.

      Anyhow, Merida was okay in the pliot as a random encounter but she really stuck around for nothing much. It feels as if the storytelling had a major shift aound the middle.

      I guess that could have worked, lol. Or the writers just need to learn to balance the characters better. With a little reworking, we probably could have had all the same basic stuff, but with it feeling more cohesive, and not having the guest stars feel like glorified extras to so many. Oh well, we know all the Camelot and Dunbroch stuff will wrap up in 511 anyway, and then on to the next arc.

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    • From this episode I have founded a magic theory.

      Poofing versus Blinking

      I have theorized that Blinking requires little to no movement, awareness about where you are teleporting, and strong mental acuity.  I theorize that it goes (strong) Blinking---------Phasing---------------Poofing (Weak)

      Poofing is required if it's multiple people, unless you have great awareness and pofing can fix mistakes.

      Example: Merlin blunk the Nevergers out of Camelot and into the Forest but positions weren't exact and so on.

      Regina has been shown to do it with a dagger in season 4 and Rumple does it frequently but why do they poof? It's because it's easier and fixes the error. Anytime there is high tension or quick moments poofing is likely to occur. But also it speaks of the users.

      Regina has shown acuity, but is often put in high tensions situations where she has to act fast and she's not the quickest tool in the toolshed.

      Zelena hasn't done much besides flicker Henry and blink Babay Neal into her arms and that shows that she has modestly strong mental acuity, but Zelena is prone to hand waving and not being direct with magic and simply lazy due to fast learning and stronger powers.

      Rumple has a lot and poofs often but that's generally far distances and he has no real reason to stress his brain since he has tons of power. However, not all DOs blink as Zoso has only been shone to achieve phasing, like Maleficent which is inbetween. Maleficent also blinked before too. As well as poofed.

      So, poofing requires knowledge of location and persons poofing only. It can correct position and any doubts. Blinking requires strong acuity, precision and accuracy, and focus. Perhaps power, but not known. Phasing is somewhere in-between. Poofing others require knowledge of where they are.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Hook "probably" went to collect ingredients when Emma couldn't find him.

      Ok... but when did he add them to the cauldron?

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Hook "probably" went to collect ingredients when Emma couldn't find him.

      Ok... but when did he add them to the cauldron?

      When Emma was moping over MErlin's corpse and talking to Dark Rumple.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Hook "probably" went to collect ingredients when Emma couldn't find him.

      Ok... but when did he add them to the cauldron?

      Never.... lol. The heart is always the final ingredient.

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    • I fon't get why people can't accept that the show messed things up. I'm really tired of excuses and pretending something happened off screen. We shouldn't need to do this!

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    • Farerb wrote:
      I fon't get why people can't accept that the show messed things up. I'm really tired of excuses and pretending something happened off screen. We shouldn't need to do this!

      Often. Add often to your sentence.

      It's perfectly fine to question and to put things together, but just not every single episode and everything in-between.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      I fon't get why people can't accept that the show messed things up. I'm really tired of excuses and pretending something happened off screen. We shouldn't need to do this!
      Often. Add often to your sentence.

      It's perfectly fine to question and to put things together, but just not every single episode and everything in-between.

      Of course. I don't mean they should show us everytime a character is in the bathtoom or going to sleep. But when a major plot point hsppens like Hook casting the damn curse, it should be clear to viewers how he can fo it based on what was established in the past, and not having the viewers wondering what happened or didn't happen off screen.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      I fon't get why people can't accept that the show messed things up. I'm really tired of excuses and pretending something happened off screen. We shouldn't need to do this!
      Often. Add often to your sentence.

      It's perfectly fine to question and to put things together, but just not every single episode and everything in-between.

      Of course. I don't mean they should show us everytime a character is in the bathtoom or going to sleep. But when a major plot point hsppens like Hook casting the damn curse, it should be clear to viewers how he can fo it based on what was established in the past, and not having the viewers wondering what happened or didn't happen off screen.

      I assume he added the ingredients but they dumb it down for the latter fans. Regina setted up the curse in 3b, but she did at least have knowledge and assortment of materials. Just like how they had the healing spell for Rumple, yet Emma only used one of the ingredients to heal him. It's like how Zelena looked at a recipe for a tethering potion/spell and just waved her hand. Magic! Look at my poofing theory and while it can be proven and true, I'm certian the writers haven't noticed. Probably the production or art people deserve that credit.

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Ok.... there is still something I don't get: How didn't Hook notice he had magic in Storybrooke?

      It was ok overall. 

      Merlin character was totally disappointing

      That's something I'm also wondering, let's say hypotheticall someone wanted to kill the Dark One, could somebody remove his heart and crush it, the only way to kill him is with the dagger though, so could the Dark One live even with his heart crushed or is that no one can remove the Dark One's heart, although the apprentince was able to remove Rumple's heart, maybe the Dark One's heart is un-crushable 

      It has been said that the person can die and just leave the darkness.  When Rumple's heart was almost completely black he was afraid he would die.  If one was to crush the Dark Ones's heart it would most likely kill the person leaving just the darkness behind.  That would result in no one being safe not even those the Dark One cares about

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      From this episode I have founded a magic theory.

      Poofing versus Blinking

      I have theorized that Blinking requires little to no movement, awareness about where you are teleporting, and strong mental acuity.  I theorize that it goes (strong) Blinking---------Phasing---------------Poofing (Weak)

      Poofing is required if it's multiple people, unless you have great awareness and pofing can fix mistakes.

      Example: Merlin blunk the Nevergers out of Camelot and into the Forest but positions weren't exact and so on.

      Regina has been shown to do it with a dagger in season 4 and Rumple does it frequently but why do they poof? It's because it's easier and fixes the error. Anytime there is high tension or quick moments poofing is likely to occur. But also it speaks of the users.

      Regina has shown acuity, but is often put in high tensions situations where she has to act fast and she's not the quickest tool in the toolshed.

      Zelena hasn't done much besides flicker Henry and blink Babay Neal into her arms and that shows that she has modestly strong mental acuity, but Zelena is prone to hand waving and not being direct with magic and simply lazy due to fast learning and stronger powers.

      Rumple has a lot and poofs often but that's generally far distances and he has no real reason to stress his brain since he has tons of power. However, not all DOs blink as Zoso has only been shone to achieve phasing, like Maleficent which is inbetween. Maleficent also blinked before too. As well as poofed.

      So, poofing requires knowledge of location and persons poofing only. It can correct position and any doubts. Blinking requires strong acuity, precision and accuracy, and focus. Perhaps power, but not known. Phasing is somewhere in-between. Poofing others require knowledge of where they are.

      To add to that, Zelena did Blink in 509, so I guess it is as I said. She's powerful enough to do it and has the acuity to do so, just a bit lazy or lax with it.

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    • Frulna wrote:

      Anubis16 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Ok.... there is still something I don't get: How didn't Hook notice he had magic in Storybrooke?

      It was ok overall. 

      Merlin character was totally disappointing

      That's something I'm also wondering, let's say hypotheticall someone wanted to kill the Dark One, could somebody remove his heart and crush it, the only way to kill him is with the dagger though, so could the Dark One live even with his heart crushed or is that no one can remove the Dark One's heart, although the apprentince was able to remove Rumple's heart, maybe the Dark One's heart is un-crushable 

      It has been said that the person can die and just leave the darkness.  When Rumple's heart was almost completely black he was afraid he would die.  If one was to crush the Dark Ones's heart it would most likely kill the person leaving just the darkness behind.  That would result in no one being safe not even those the Dark One cares about

      I think that only a dark one can crush the heart of a dark one. Because Hook crushed Merlin's heart.

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    • Alex The OUaT Fan wrote:

      Frulna wrote:

      Anubis16 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Ok.... there is still something I don't get: How didn't Hook notice he had magic in Storybrooke?

      It was ok overall. 

      Merlin character was totally disappointing

      That's something I'm also wondering, let's say hypotheticall someone wanted to kill the Dark One, could somebody remove his heart and crush it, the only way to kill him is with the dagger though, so could the Dark One live even with his heart crushed or is that no one can remove the Dark One's heart, although the apprentince was able to remove Rumple's heart, maybe the Dark One's heart is un-crushable 
      It has been said that the person can die and just leave the darkness.  When Rumple's heart was almost completely black he was afraid he would die.  If one was to crush the Dark Ones's heart it would most likely kill the person leaving just the darkness behind.  That would result in no one being safe not even those the Dark One cares about
      I think that only a dark one can crush the heart of a dark one. Because Hook crushed Merlin's heart.

      Perhaps, but that is not proof. Merlin had no power or immortality because Emma transferred it to Hook and corrupted it.

      MErlin's heart was normal but full of light if you look closely.

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    • Some people say that Merlin foresaw the events and added the ingredients before he voicemailed

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Some people say that Merlin foresaw the events and added the ingredients before he voicemailed

      Not likely as he was doing a communication spell.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Some people say that Merlin foresaw the events and added the ingredients before he voicemailed

      Merlin admitted, in 5.06, that his prophecies do not come true because of sheer luck. He meddles with the events, to ensure they come to pass. We have seen him do this, on several occasions. Having the Apprentice give Ingrid the scroll about the Savior, talking to Arthur and Emma from the tree.... just to name a few.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      Some people say that Merlin foresaw the events and added the ingredients before he voicemailed
      Merlin admitted, in 5.06, that his prophecies do not come true because of sheer luck. He meddles with the events, to ensure they come to pass. We have seen him do this, on several occasions. Having the Apprentice give Ingrid the scroll about the Savior, talking to Arthur and Emma from the tree.... just to name a few.

      I also favor that Merlin used the ingredients in his communication spell. It was no ordinary spell, but one that would need to be accessible across realms, from who knows where.  both Merlin's Communication spell and the DC probably (this is speculation) use the same basic ingredients in order to effect the multiRealm aspects.  It is not that far fetched that Merlin would have the necessary ingredients.

      Also, I still question if Merlin is actually dead at this point.  Yes, it looks like he died at the hands of Hook, but I'm going to bet on some piece of mcguffin (and not the one from DunBroch) to appear that explains why Merlin foresaw this situation and had a contingency in place to override his death.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:

      I also favor that Merlin used the ingredients in his communication spell. It was no ordinary spell, but one that would need to be accessible across realms, from who knows where.  both Merlin's Communication spell and the DC probably (this is speculation) use the same basic ingredients in order to effect the multiRealm aspects.  It is not that far fetched that Merlin would have the necessary ingredients.

      Also, I still question if Merlin is actually dead at this point.  Yes, it looks like he died at the hands of Hook, but I'm going to bet on some piece of mcguffin (and not the one from DunBroch) to appear that explains why Merlin foresaw this situation and had a contingency in place to override his death.

      Here is the biggest giveaway, that Merlin probably brewed the Dark Curse.... he did not tell anyone about Nimue. The only way to resurrect her was with Gold's blood, and he was in Storybrooke. If it was so important for the heroes toknow that Nimue was the key, why not tell them right away in Camelot. Why wait and leave it in a voicemail, unless he wanted all this to happen?

      As for a magical mcguffin, there is only are only two I can think of.... Merida's ghost ale, or that weird snow globe Gold gave Hook.

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    • What does this "mcguffin" mean?

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      What does this "mcguffin" mean?

      http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Mcgruffin

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      What does this "mcguffin" mean?

      Magic macguffin is just the random item they pull out of nowhere that gets focused in an episode.

      MacGuffin (a.k.a. McGuffin or maguffin) is a term for a motivating element in a story that is used to drive the plot. It serves no further purpose.

      TV tropes says best.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      What does this "mcguffin" mean?
      Magic macguffin is just the random item they pull out of nowhere that gets focused in an episode.

      MacGuffin (a.k.a. McGuffin or maguffin) is a term for a motivating element in a story that is used to drive the plot. It serves no further purpose.

      TV tropes says best.

      Prime examples on OUaT, would be Pandora's Box and Fergus' Helm.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      What does this "mcguffin" mean?
      Magic macguffin is just the random item they pull out of nowhere that gets focused in an episode.

      MacGuffin (a.k.a. McGuffin or maguffin) is a term for a motivating element in a story that is used to drive the plot. It serves no further purpose.

      TV tropes says best.

      Prime examples on OUaT, would be Pandora's Box and Fergus' Helm.

      Well, Pandora's Box was a higher tier than that because it was actually used and in multiple episodes and in the comics.

      But there has been that and contirved spells the same time.

      Healing spell we never heard of before needs something that touched Rumple when he was a man. And they never used the whole potion.

      Underworld portal spell we never heard about needs blood of a ressurected person.

      Tethering potion recipe is done by waving a hand. That was the most stupid thing ever. It's like "Ah, what nice recipe for a cake!" waves hand and there's the cake.

      And many more.

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    • If the blood of someone who died and returned can open the portal, it's really simple to get there. The blood of the blue fairy, Maleficent(maybe not because she was undead), Rumple, Anastasia all came back from the dead. And so does everyone who comes back trough the portal. And this breaks a law of magic, I thought only really powerful spells could do that.

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    • Alex The OUaT Fan wrote:
      If the blood of someone who died and returned can open the portal, it's really simple to get there. The blood of the blue fairy, Maleficent(maybe not because she was undead), Rumple, Anastasia all came back from the dead. And so does everyone who comes back trough the portal. And this breaks a law of magic, I thought only really powerful spells could do that.

      Mother Superior had her shadow removed... not dead. Maleficent was undead.... not dead. Anastasia lives in Wonderland, not Storybrooke. That leaves Mr. Gold, as the only option. Besides, opening a portal is not against the Laws of Magic. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Alex The OUaT Fan wrote:
      If the blood of someone who died and returned can open the portal, it's really simple to get there. The blood of the blue fairy, Maleficent(maybe not because she was undead), Rumple, Anastasia all came back from the dead. And so does everyone who comes back trough the portal. And this breaks a law of magic, I thought only really powerful spells could do that.
      Mother Superior had her shadow removed... not dead. Maleficent was undead.... not dead. Anastasia lives in Wonderland, not Storybrooke. That leaves Mr. Gold, as the only option. Besides, opening a portal is not against the Laws of Magic. 

      David is supposed to be the only option. Rumple was never in hell.

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    • Anastasia, David and Rumple are the only true characters that died, and were later revived. Ana and Charming both were revived instantly, though (by Jafar's magic and Snow's gamble, respectively). So they don't count. Gold killed himself and his dad in Storybrooke and spent months in the afterlife until Belle and Neal revived him in Misthaven. Snow was already pregnant, which means at least 3 months passed where Rumple was dead.

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    • Well he was dead, he should be. Only the Darkness moved to the vault and then resurrected Rumple from Hell I guess. And thank you guys for explaining the word by the way

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    • Why has no one mentioned the fact that Rumple revealed there's literature called "The Dark One Chronicles"? Like, does that mean there's a set of leatherbound books somewhere in Storybrooke that are essentially the journals of each previous Dark One that from Nimue to Rumple, filled with all their secrets? Why aren't Emma and Hook jumping on this to try to destroy each other?

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    • I loved the ending!! A very nice way to begin indicating the subject of 5B, for those who didn't already hear.

      But since they now have a means to bring back the dead, surely this opens up so many doors? Gold will be selling bottles of his blood and finally have a use for his shop! People will be wanting to bring back their loved ones from the lake. Obviously this won't happen, so something must either happen to the portal or to Gold.

      And I'm beginning to wonder if the cliffhanger of this half of the series is something to do with sending the Dark Ones back to the Underworld, and the heroes getting sucked in too so they can meet Hades ... but also I'm wondering if this means we can see Baelfire again if just for one episode?

      Also I loved the touch of Nimue stepping out of the lake since I'm pretty sure she was the Lady of the Lake in the original legend, ties in nicely with the whole crocodile thing, even if the Lady is someone else in OUAT. Also the perfect way that King Arthur and Greek mythology coincide ... both involve a boat carrying the dead on to the afterlife.

      I have a feeling the Gods, who gave the Dark Ones their power through the HG, will have a hand in stopping them, or at least this may be how Hercules makes his appearance.

      Definitely excited to see how OUAT portrays my favourite mythology, now they've almost finished my second favourite, although I hope to the gods they'll still find some clever way of redeeming Hook after all...

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    • I've had no qualms about this season except a few things:

      -So turning Hook into the Dark One was for character-building purposes only? Because, I thought it may haven't been a good idea for another Dark One. I thought it was going to be all about Dark Swan. But I am still impressed that Emma has been able to resist the darkness (sort of) and kept her goal to destroy the darkness.

      -Do the characters know their true priorities? Has anyone considered that if Arthur didn't swing Excalibur at Hook, he wouldn't have been nicked or bleeding to death and Emma wouldn't have turned him into a dark one and the darkness would've been vanquished? Also, why did they bring Zelena into the castle, they could've kept her locked in Granny's freezer and tended to by Granny or something. If she hadn't helped Arthur, none of this would've happened. It is the same in the case of the Snow Queen. If the Duke hadn't used Helga as a shield, Helga wouldn't be dead. I thought Ingrid would go after him, rather than torment the sisters and curse an entire town. 

      -I loved Merlin, but I didn't see him much as the "most powerful wizard/sorcerer in all the realms". How could they just kill him in the end? I thought his departure from the show would have been deferential or dignified. After all, he was the most powerful sorcerer, with good intentions, great power and immortality and able to see the future. I felt that character could've been more ultimate, because we've been waiting since the start of Season 4 for the sorcerer and then to reveal someone who has been stuck in a tree, and like many of you stated, tethered and controlled and then killed off. 

      -I haven't seen a lot of support coming from the Charmings. I know they've stated a couple of times that they have faith in her and trust her but not the darkness within her (which is a valid point), but I felt Hook and Regina were more of the motivaters. 

      Other than that, let light prevail and the darkness be vanquished (but after some time. I am looking forward to the Underworld arc). I hope Nimue is also vanquished, so that if the source of all Dark One power is destroyed, so are the rest. 

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Why has no one mentioned the fact that Rumple revealed there's literature called "The Dark One Chronicles"? Like, does that mean there's a set of leatherbound books somewhere in Storybrooke that are essentially the journals of each previous Dark One that from Nimue to Rumple, filled with all their secrets? Why aren't Emma and Hook jumping on this to try to destroy each other?
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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Why has no one mentioned the fact that Rumple revealed there's literature called "The Dark One Chronicles"? Like, does that mean there's a set of leatherbound books somewhere in Storybrooke that are essentially the journals of each previous Dark One that from Nimue to Rumple, filled with all their secrets? Why aren't Emma and Hook jumping on this to try to destroy each other?

      I notice, but these last minute macguffins make me mad because they could have used this countless times since season 3.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Why has no one mentioned the fact that Rumple revealed there's literature called "The Dark One Chronicles"? Like, does that mean there's a set of leatherbound books somewhere in Storybrooke that are essentially the journals of each previous Dark One that from Nimue to Rumple, filled with all their secrets? Why aren't Emma and Hook jumping on this to try to destroy each other?
      I notice, but these last minute macguffins make me mad because they could have used this countless times since season 3.

      Not if Rumple never told anyone. ;) But Belle must've known about them and had access to them, or she wouldn't have found out all that information in "Quiet Minds".

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Why has no one mentioned the fact that Rumple revealed there's literature called "The Dark One Chronicles"? Like, does that mean there's a set of leatherbound books somewhere in Storybrooke that are essentially the journals of each previous Dark One that from Nimue to Rumple, filled with all their secrets? Why aren't Emma and Hook jumping on this to try to destroy each other?
      I notice, but these last minute macguffins make me mad because they could have used this countless times since season 3.
      Not if Rumple never told anyone. ;) But Belle must've known about them and had access to them, or she wouldn't have found out all that information in "Quiet Minds".

      There were no chronicles there. That was just a book with a Key hidden inside.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Why has no one mentioned the fact that Rumple revealed there's literature called "The Dark One Chronicles"? Like, does that mean there's a set of leatherbound books somewhere in Storybrooke that are essentially the journals of each previous Dark One that from Nimue to Rumple, filled with all their secrets? Why aren't Emma and Hook jumping on this to try to destroy each other?

      I doubt they would be much use to a Dark One. Rumple obviously must have kept them because why not and so he'd have a pathetic hiding place for a key to the vault. If a Dark One wanted to know about previous Dark Ones they already have the previous Dark Ones in their head to provide unlimited information.

      And Hook already became an expert on the Dark One even before he became one. Besides, he already has a plan formulated in his head as we can see.

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    • Yeah, Killian has a plan, but good grief, what is his endgame?  He's clearly succombed to the evil, and rather quickly (unless that's just for show, since he can imitate evil easily having already walked that path).

      And How is Emma and company going to deal with Killian and the legion of Dark Ones? This should be (but probably won't be) a battle of epic proportions, and it might even force Zelena to fight with Regina. (She's not redeemed, but with dark ones running rampant, they at least have a common foe, and both are smart enough to set aside past differences).

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Yeah, Killian has a plan, but good grief, what is his endgame?  He's clearly succombed to the evil, and rather quickly (unless that's just for show, since he can imitate evil easily having already walked that path).

      You may have answered your own question, lol.

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    • I may have answered my question on whether Killian is truly dark on not (though the jury is still in the jury room deliberating on that one), but that says nothing of what his Endgame is.  He's got something up his sleeve, and I can't help but feel that it is not good.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I may have answered my question on whether Killian is truly dark on not (though the jury is still in the jury room deliberating on that one), but that says nothing of what his Endgame is.  He's got something up his sleeve, and I can't help but feel that it is not good.

      You mean like absorbing all the Darkness, and killing himself to destroy it?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I may have answered my question on whether Killian is truly dark on not (though the jury is still in the jury room deliberating on that one), but that says nothing of what his Endgame is.  He's got something up his sleeve, and I can't help but feel that it is not good.
      You mean like absorbing all the Darkness, and killing himself to destroy it?

      I saw this idea across the web and I'm certain of it. Hook has no alernate plan and he isn't this secret mastermind (Sorry, but I feel that you give him too much credit, while I take away just as much XD).

      I think he is corrupted, but his plan is to make Rumple the vessel for the Darkness and to strike him down. That way he kills two birds with one stone. That way he remains the "good plan, bad methods" Dark One that Nimue, Rumple, and Emma are.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      I think he is corrupted, but his plan is to make Rumple the vessel for the Darkness and to strike him down. That way he kills two birds with one stone. 

      One major problem.... Hook told Emma that plan would never work, when she wanted to do with Zelena.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      I think he is corrupted, but his plan is to make Rumple the vessel for the Darkness and to strike him down. That way he kills two birds with one stone. 

      One major problem.... Hook told Emma that plan would never work, when she wanted to do with Zelena.

      When did he say that and what does Hook know? I'm sure he said that when he was still clueless.

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    • I don't think Hook ever said that plan would never work. Only that he thought it was a bad plan (but that was before he realized that he was the dark one).

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I don't think Hook ever said that plan would never work. Only that he thought it was a bad plan (but that was before he realized that he was the dark one).

      Hook might not have known what Emma did to him, but he still thought her plan was stupid.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I don't think Hook ever said that plan would never work. Only that he thought it was a bad plan (but that was before he realized that he was the dark one).
      Hook might not have known what Emma did to him, but he still thought her plan was stupid.

      I may have to watch again but I don't think he thought it was stupid, just evil. He didn't say "bloody hell, Emma love, that won't work", he said "you're talking about cold-blooded murder" - his problem is with killing Zelena, not whether it will work or not.

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    • he said "you're talking about cold-blooded murder" - his problem is with killing Zelena, not whether it will work or not.



      I do recall Hook saying either those words or similar ones to Emma.

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