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  • Maybe it's just me, but I feel like they've been dropping so many hints that Neal might be resurrected soon. The Underworld was confirmed to exist in one episode, Neal is repeatedly mentioned, and on top of that, we still haven't seen Emma and Hook have a True Love's Kiss. If this is really the last season (which I heard somewhere), it would make sense that they would bring back Neal to give Emma/Henry a happy ending. Also, I feel like this could be an interesting twist/way to end Emma's darkness. There were a lot of dreamcatchers in next week's trailer, confirming that she still loves Neal. Thoughts?

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    • Sorry to break it to you, but Neal is not being resurrected. Neal made peace with his loved ones, and his sacrifice. He had no unfinished business.

      Also, Eddy, Adam, and JMo have all said that Neal was never going to be Emma's happy ending.... he hurt her too much. The Neal reference is because Henry is to Emma, what Baelfire was to Rumplestiltskin. Rumple lost Bae long before he went through the portal, as the price for embracing the Darkness.

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    • Remember what Emma said in the early of Season 3 to Neal, "From the moment I saw you I knew I'd never stopped loving you. And I probably always will.". I think he could be his happy ending

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Remember what Emma said in the early of Season 3 to Neal, "From the moment I saw you I knew I'd never stopped loving you. And I probably always will.". I think he could be his happy ending

      We are on Season 5, and no one ever forgets their first love. Being a first love, does not equal happy ending.

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    • Neal isn't coming back. After their "bold" storytelling decision that's how it'll always be even if the story got jumbled right after that. No happy ending for Neal, just the sweeet relief of DEATH!

      You can't raise the dead. You can stop someone from dying, revive a sustain or preserved person, but not bring them back from the Dead.

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    • Neal is not coming back from the dead, that ship (ha!) has sailed. Also, this is almost certainly not the last season.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Neal isn't coming back. After their "bold" storytelling decision that's how it'll always be even if the story got jumbled right after that. No happy ending for Neal, just the sweeet relief of DEATH!

      You can't raise the dead. You can stop someone from dying, revive a sustain or preserved person, but not bring them back from the Dead.

      No, you can't. But could you tell me how that doesn't work on Zelena, Maleficent or Red Queen?

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    • It is like saying that Daniel will be resurrected (again), because Regina will always love him.... or Marian for Robin and Roland.

      Love is like a flame.... it can light many candles, yet the original will never dim.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Neal isn't coming back. After their "bold" storytelling decision that's how it'll always be even if the story got jumbled right after that. No happy ending for Neal, just the sweeet relief of DEATH!

      You can't raise the dead. You can stop someone from dying, revive a sustain or preserved person, but not bring them back from the Dead.

      No, you can't. But could you tell me how that doesn't work on Zelena, Maleficent or Red Queen?

      Zelena wasn't dead, duh. MAelficent wasn't dead because Regina casted a spell that sustained her life in any form, and Ana met deus ex machina on a different shirt.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Neal isn't coming back. After their "bold" storytelling decision that's how it'll always be even if the story got jumbled right after that. No happy ending for Neal, just the sweeet relief of DEATH!

      You can't raise the dead. You can stop someone from dying, revive a sustain or preserved person, but not bring them back from the Dead.

      No, you can't. But could you tell me how that doesn't work on Zelena, Maleficent or Red Queen?

      Zelena had the pendant that protected her. Mal is not human and in an area that kept her from truly dying. The Red Queen was allowed to come back by a deity that rules over magic waters. So they all had special curcumstances.

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    • I think we could see him in a flashback or a ghost like Cora or maybe even in the underworld if they go there but I don't think he will ever permenantley come back.

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    • I would like to see him in a flashback :(

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I would like to see him in a flashback :(

      That would depend, if OUaT can get MRJ to come back for an episode. From what I understand, he is quite busy with other projects.

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    • I'd love to see him in a flashback. But resurrected? Too far. No thankyou! Don't want him to die an honourable death (minus the whole Maid Marian Zelena glamour) and then be resurrected.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      I agree Neal is a real jerk to emma swan.:)

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    • Joshleung wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      I agree Neal is a real jerk to emma swan.:)

      August is a jerk to Emma, he puts her in prison and makes Neal dump her.

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    • August is a jerk to Emma, he puts her in prison and makes Neal dump her.

      And Neal is ok with it?):both sounds like a jerk.

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    • No, Neal was not a jerk.  Neal understood the magical forces involved. and knew enough to stay out of the way.

      Remember, this is the son of the Dark One, and someone with a couple hundred years of experience in his own right. He knew what he was doing, and why.

      I don't see Neal being ressurrected.  And I don't see any flashbacks either, because anything relevant for Neal has probably already been covered. Let's let the dead RIP.

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    • I feel like Neal's death was done in a way that he could be brought back, though. The vault of the Dark One is so mysterious, and it was revisited on this week's episodes. Also, every other major character (other than maybe Pan) who was killed in S3 has come back. Also, what about Cora's zombies, and Rumple himself was raised from the dead? Charming was raised from the dead having his heart ripped out and crushed (I take issue to this, as discussed above, where this didn't work for Daniel). I feel like the reason Neal hasn't been brought back is because the producers are pushing Emma and Hook, and have forgotten about/don't care about Neal.

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    • August Booth wrote:
      I feel like the reason Neal hasn't been brought back is because the producers are pushing Emma and Hook, and have forgotten about/don't care about Neal.

      Well, that is not the case.

      The focus of Neal's story, was the broken relationship with his father. That he was Henry's biological father, was a side-note. Neal is not coming back, because he is dead. Please, let him rest in peace.

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    • Another interesting thought, and this could be why this occurred to me:

      Neal is a very similar character to Sara Lance from Arrow. Each of them is a significant romantic interest for the main character, as well as being related to other main characters on the show. They both appear (to some degree with Neal/Baelfire) in the first season, but are not fully introduced until the second season. They are both introduced in the first episode of the second season of their respective shows, only to have their origins explored later in the season, and are each revealed to already be in a relationship. In addition, they both die in the third season, sending their family members on a revenge quest. The only difference is SPOILERS Sara Lance is coming back now. Both shows have also established a means of resurrecting characters (on Once, the Underworld/Vault of Dark One/Heart Transplant), so I just think this is an interesting comparison.

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    • God I hope not. When you raise characters from the dead/brink of death at the rate that Once does, every once in a while you need a notable character death that actually sticks. Otherwise stakes and tension fly out the window.

      Have him in flashbacks or even as a spirit by all means, but death needs to mean something.

      Also I'm not sure there's much point bringing him back. Story wise he was pretty much done. He certainly won't come back to give Emma TLK, I can tell you that now. No way would Adam and Eddy incur the wrath of the shippers like that at this point. I'll be very, very, very surprised if all the current main character relationships aren't end game.

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    • Maybe a flashback of Baelfire escaping from Neverland?

      I don't know how it would be relevant at this point but anyway..

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    • P3nathan wrote:

      I'll be very, very, very surprised if all the current main character relationships aren't end game.

      The only couple that could go either way is Rumbelle.... but the rest are pretty much endgame.

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    • Isn't he confirmed for a cameo?

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    • ^No, just a prediction.

      Btw, I really hope he doesn't follow Sara Lance, I'm not okay with what they're doing with her, even though I love her (probably my favorite female character on Arrow).

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    • Nakis91 wrote:
      Isn't he confirmed for a cameo?

      No.... that was just someone making a prediction, with no facts to back it.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Maybe a flashback of Baelfire escaping from Neverland?

      I don't know how it would be relevant at this point but anyway..

      Not only would I question the relevence, but the Bae that would escape neverland is Dylan Schmidts (the young Bae).  He was a teenager when he first came to Neverland, and by the properties of Neverland would not have aged.  He only went from being Bae to Neal after he managed to Leave Neverland and arrive in the LWM again.

      Now, I think that could be an interesting story in its own right, but there is nothing currently that needs to have that story told in the context of the show.  (Unless we find out the Merlin was meddling in the affairs of men and arranged for Neal to escape at just the right time to meet Emma so that Henry could be born, because Henry is so important). (sarcasm)

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Maybe a flashback of Baelfire escaping from Neverland?

      I don't know how it would be relevant at this point but anyway..

      Not only would I question the relevence, but the Bae that would escape neverland is Dylan Schmidts (the young Bae).  He was a teenager when he first came to Neverland, and by the properties of Neverland would not have aged.  He only went from being Bae to Neal after he managed to Leave Neverland and arrive in the LWM again.

      Now, I think that could be an interesting story in its own right, but there is nothing currently that needs to have that story told in the context of the show.  (Unless we find out the Merlin was meddling in the affairs of men and arranged for Neal to escape at just the right time to meet Emma so that Henry could be born, because Henry is so important). (sarcasm)

      But Dylan Schmits is a teenager ,which means he is growing up. They can't have him back because he is too old to portray a young boy

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    • CadoDoan wrote:

      But Dylan Schmits is a teenager ,which means he is growing up. They can't have him back because he is too old to portray a young boy

      Which further explains, why OUaT will not return to Neal/Baelfire's story.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Maybe a flashback of Baelfire escaping from Neverland?

      I don't know how it would be relevant at this point but anyway..

      Not only would I question the relevence, but the Bae that would escape neverland is Dylan Schmidts (the young Bae).  He was a teenager when he first came to Neverland, and by the properties of Neverland would not have aged.  He only went from being Bae to Neal after he managed to Leave Neverland and arrive in the LWM again.

      Now, I think that could be an interesting story in its own right, but there is nothing currently that needs to have that story told in the context of the show.  (Unless we find out the Merlin was meddling in the affairs of men and arranged for Neal to escape at just the right time to meet Emma so that Henry could be born, because Henry is so important). (sarcasm)

      But Dylan Schmits is a teenager ,which means he is growing up. They can't have him back because he is too old to portray a young boy

      Since he is physically looking older, perhaps there could be a revelant flashback to what happened after he escaped from Neverland, and where he went from there.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Which further explains, why OUaT will not return to Neal/Baelfire's story.

      If Henry(Jared)could still be on the show.I see no points why cant one who plays Baelfire.:)

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    • Slight difference between Henry and Dylan.

      Henry is one of the Main characters, and his character is 'growing up' on screen. (though admittedly not quite as fast as he is growing up IRL).  Dylan is specifically the Younger version of Baelfire, The adult role is Michael Raymond James.  There have been, as I understand it, some physical changes in Dylan (typical as boys grow up) that would make it difficult for him to reprise the Younger Bae.

      The same would probably hold true for Bailee Madison (The young Snow White from earlier seasons).

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      Just let them reprise the role if necessary.forget about the resemblence.

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    • Joshleung wrote:

      Just let them reprise the role if necessary.forget about the resemblence.

      They are both way too old, and look completely different now.

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    • They are both way too old, and look completely different now.

      I know it is hard to believe they are the same role.but what choice do they have- -?they cant bring other people to play the role of the age which now those two actors are too old to play.

      2 new actors for the role?But it doesnt matter much to me.I dont know what other audience think:))

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    • What choice.... how about not showing it, because it is not necessary?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      What choice.... how about not showing it, because it is not necessary?

      they mean the writers):

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    • Agree on that point, about it being unnecessary.

      I will say that the latest script tease for Dreamcatcher has Killian referencing Baelfire, in a good way. And that is hopefully all the ressurection that we see of Baelfire. (I liked Bae/Neal, but his part in the story is over).

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Joshleung wrote:

      Just let them reprise the role if necessary.forget about the resemblence.

      They are both way too old, and look completely different now.

      Okay, it's been like 2 years, not 20, so no, they don't look completely different. They can clearly use them to play the character still, because we would still know they are the child/teen form of the adult character. And specifically regarding Dylan, I looked at his IMDB, and in his picture from this year he doesn't look any different to me than what he looked like in Nasty Habits.

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    • Honestly, I think if they did go to the trouble of writing Neal/Bae into it, they'd want Michael Raymond-James back. If he does make an appearance, I reckon it'd probably just be more flashbacks with Emma like in Tallahassee. Either that or something from a previous season that we didn't see. 

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    • Okay, it's been like 2 years, not 20, so no, they don't look completely different. They can clearly use them to play the character still, because we would still know they are the child/teen form of the adult character. And specifically regarding Dylan, I looked at his IMDB, and in his picture from this year he doesn't look any different to me than what he looked like in Nasty Habits.

      That's exactly what I wanted to say but I dont know how to pur it into words.

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    • Personally, I don't think Neal will be revived. The episode title "Dreamcatcher" definitely made me think of him, but he's dead. I get that some people think it's unfair since the writers used a lot of technicalities to explain why Mr. Gold and Zelena could be brought back, but not Neal. I believe the whole point of "Quiet Minds" was to show how final Neal's life was once he died. And after his death, people didn't just forget about him, because that's the natural process of losing someone; to grieve and remember that person. My SwanFire radar twinges every time Neal is mentioned on the show, but it's those small mentions that really set in the reality that although he's gone, he's still there in some aspects. I did believe Emma when she said she'd always love him, and I think she still keeps that bit of him with her now in the present though she's with Hook. Kind of like how I think Hook still loves and honors Milah's memory, but he has since let her go and focusing on the present rather than continuing to drudge up the past and all the pain and anger he had.

      I don't know if Neal and Emma would've even had a future together as a couple had he not died. Neal was hopeful about it, but I'm unsure about Emma. They did love each other, but in a world that's imperfect, I think the most they could've been was just co-parents to Henry. 

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    • Maybe they might get another kid to portray young Baelfire for flashbacks incase one of the future episodes involve Emma trying to regain Henry's trust.

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    • I think it's interesting that Neal got mentioned so much in Dreamcatcher. Not a single mention in the first few episodes, after a bunch of mentions at the end of Season 4. Emma could just have easily mentioned Hook in one scene, but she mentioned Neal instead. This is just interesting how he's being brought up more often.

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    • August Booth wrote:
      I think it's interesting that Neal got mentioned so much in Dreamcatcher. Not a single mention in the first few episodes, after a bunch of mentions at the end of Season 4. Emma could just have easily mentioned Hook in one scene, but she mentioned Neal instead. This is just interesting how he's being brought up more often.

      If they bring him back during the theorized/hypothetical "Underworld" arc -_-

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    • I feel like he didn't get mentioned in the Frozen arc, even if it was like a week after he got killed. They're trying to remind us of Neal as a character, in my opinion.

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    • August Booth wrote:
      I feel like he didn't get mentioned in the Frozen arc, even if it was like a week after he got killed. They're trying to remind us of Neal as a character, in my opinion.

      In the first episode of the Snow Queen arc Rumple was visiting Neal's grave, and speaking to him.

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    • I honestly don't see them bringing Neal back. And I don't even see that he would be residing int he Underworld (though that could happen, I suppose).

      However, I will say that the callback's to Neal/Bae in "Dreamcatcher" were rather numerous.  Enough so that they could feel like foreshadowing.

      I hope they just let Neal RIP, unless there is a VERY compelling plot line that requires him to come back. and it would have to be both compelling and epic, otherwise, just let it be.

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    • Well the title of the 100th episode is "Souls of the Departed" and I know we'll see Barbara Hershey in that. So although I doubut a resurrection (however i'd love it cause i do ship Swanfire but realsie their relationship is over), maybe we'll see him as some sort of spirit.

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    • I ship CaptainSwan and Swanfire too. But I'd hate it if there would be a Neal resurrection

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    • I think that HookFire had a chance at a friendly (non romantic) relationship. But, from a story perspective, let's remember those wise words from Elsa, and "let it go".

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    • Balefire needs to come back, even if only briefly. Something needs to break up "CaptianSwan", one of the most forced "relationships" on this show. After that, he can go back to being dead.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Maybe a flashback of Baelfire escaping from Neverland?

      I don't know how it would be relevant at this point but anyway..

      Not only would I question the relevence, but the Bae that would escape neverland is Dylan Schmidts (the young Bae).  He was a teenager when he first came to Neverland, and by the properties of Neverland would not have aged.  He only went from being Bae to Neal after he managed to Leave Neverland and arrive in the LWM again.

      Now, I think that could be an interesting story in its own right, but there is nothing currently that needs to have that story told in the context of the show.  (Unless we find out the Merlin was meddling in the affairs of men and arranged for Neal to escape at just the right time to meet Emma so that Henry could be born, because Henry is so important). (sarcasm)

      But Dylan Schmits is a teenager ,which means he is growing up. They can't have him back because he is too old to portray a young boy

      Adam says there is roughly gone two years since Emma came to SB. Henry was 10 and now he's 12, and the actor is 15 now. So...

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    • So Neal is brought up by Zelena in 506 (see Adam's script tease on twitter). That's two episodes in a row Neal is mentioned. I'm thinking we will definitly see Neal in the Underworld arc.

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    • My god Zelena. Do you want to get yourself killed? =0

      Mesmermann wrote:

      Adam says there is roughly gone two years since Emma came to SB. Henry was 10 and now he's 12, and the actor is 15 now. So...

      Henry is 13.

      He said it in DreamCatcher

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    • One of the main reasons Neal is not going to get resurrected is that Michael Raymond-James is a regular on another show on another network, Game of Silence. Game of Silence is also still filming, so he probably can't even make a guest appearance in episode 512. Also, I think the show has made it very clear that Neal's death will never be undone. In the Season 3 finale, Emma talked Rumple into taking the forgetting potion and how he couldn't attempt preventing Neal's death because it would take Neal's "heroic moment" away from him, as painful as it is that he's dead. The Season 4 finale also has two different occasions where the possibility of Neal coming back to life are shot down. Isaac and Rumple mention how magic can't bring back the dead, when Isaac is writing "Heroes and Villains." When Henry asks the Apprentice if he can use the pen to bring Neal back, the Apprentice tells him that Neal's death was in the real world, and that can never be undone. That's two Season finales in a row that negated any possible chances of him coming back from the dead. 

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Joshleung wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      I agree Neal is a real jerk to emma swan.:)

      August is a jerk to Emma, he puts her in prison and makes Neal dump her.

      Totally argee, August only told Neal about Baelfire for himself.

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