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    01:57, December 7, 2015

    We got the title for the midseason finale! Obviously, going to feature a lot of Emma, and we also know Hook's father is filming for this episode, so should feature alot of Hook as well.

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    • This will be the spring premiere and the 100th episode. They planned it that way, so they are going to do a 10/12 split instead of the usual 11/11. Also, and I could be wrong, but regarding the title, I believe that a swan song is related to death and the legacy of a person after they've passed. Perhaps there will be a major death in the winter finale (5x10) or in this one.

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    • Oh boy. Amazing title! What does this mean?

      Also, shouldn't Hook's episode be "Broken heart" it would make sense.

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    • Budloopy4 wrote:
      This will be the spring premiere and the 100th episode. They planned it that way, so they are going to do a 10/12 split instead of the usual 11/11. Also, and I could be wrong, but regarding the title, I believe that a swan song is related to death and the legacy of a person after they've passed. Perhaps there will be a major death in the winter finale (5x10) or in this one.

      The 10/12 split was an early plan that has since changed, they are now doing 11/11. 512 is now the spring premiere and 100th episode. Adam confirmed that. You are correct about the meaning of swan song.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Budloopy4 wrote:
      This will be the spring premiere and the 100th episode. They planned it that way, so they are going to do a 10/12 split instead of the usual 11/11. Also, and I could be wrong, but regarding the title, I believe that a swan song is related to death and the legacy of a person after they've passed. Perhaps there will be a major death in the winter finale (5x10) or in this one.
      The 10/12 split was an early plan that has since changed, they are now doing 11/11. 512 is now the spring premiere and 100th episode. Adam confirmed that. You are correct about the meaning of swan song.

      Here is the proof by Adam: https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/655411249161748480/photo/1

      This sounds like a cool and intense title

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    • Interesting title. Maybe they choose it for more than one reason. Could it be that Emma will sacrifice herself to end the dark one curse and 5b could be about trying to get her back? Hard to really tell with only the first 3 episodes but sad to think we might lose another main character.

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    • OnceFan126 wrote:
      Interesting title. Maybe they choose it for more than one reason. Could it be that Emma will sacrifice herself to end the dark one curse and 5b could be about trying to get her back? Hard to really tell with only the first 3 episodes but sad to think we might lose another main character.

      I think Emma will die, but she will be saved in 5B when everyone goes down to the Underworld.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      OnceFan126 wrote:
      Interesting title. Maybe they choose it for more than one reason. Could it be that Emma will sacrifice herself to end the dark one curse and 5b could be about trying to get her back? Hard to really tell with only the first 3 episodes but sad to think we might lose another main character.
      I think Emma will die, but she will be saved in 5B when everyone goes down to the Underworld.

      So in this episode, Emma will sacrifice herself and disappear. In 5B, she'll be in a new land and everyone goes there to save her - sounds GREAT and original. So unlike what we have now.

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    • "The swan song (in ancient Greek: κύκνειον ᾆσμα) is a metaphorical phrase for a final gesture, effort, or performance given just before death or retirement. The phrase refers to an ancient belief that swans (Cygnus spp.) sing a beautiful song in the moment just before death, having been silent (or alternatively, not so musical) during most of their lifetime. This belief, whose basis in actuality is long-debated, had become proverbial in Ancient Greece by the 3rd century BC, and was reiterated many times in later Western poetry and art." - Wikipedia

      So it's just before someone's death. The title suggests there is a double meaning, and the person who is dying is Emma... I hope not, doesn't this sound too similar to the arc we are having now? Emma makes a sacrifice to save somebody and she turns into the dark one/dies and vanishes as a cliffhanger, in the following arc her family will try to find her and save her from the darkness/resurrect her. So I hope it's another character, that would make it less predictable.

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    • I hope and Emma or Henry won't need rescuing after this episode as that's been done before 3A and 5A

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    • It's also too similar to Rumple in season 3, he dies by sacrifice in the midseason finale, then they resurrect him in the second half.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      OnceFan126 wrote:
      Interesting title. Maybe they choose it for more than one reason. Could it be that Emma will sacrifice herself to end the dark one curse and 5b could be about trying to get her back? Hard to really tell with only the first 3 episodes but sad to think we might lose another main character.
      I think Emma will die, but she will be saved in 5B when everyone goes down to the Underworld.
      So in this episode, Emma will sacrifice herself and disappear. In 5B, she'll be in a new land and everyone goes there to save her - sounds GREAT and original. So unlike what we have now.

      To be fair it took everyone less than one episode to get to Camelot and find Emma in 5A. A trip to the Underworld will not be that simple.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      OnceFan126 wrote:
      Interesting title. Maybe they choose it for more than one reason. Could it be that Emma will sacrifice herself to end the dark one curse and 5b could be about trying to get her back? Hard to really tell with only the first 3 episodes but sad to think we might lose another main character.
      I think Emma will die, but she will be saved in 5B when everyone goes down to the Underworld.
      So in this episode, Emma will sacrifice herself and disappear. In 5B, she'll be in a new land and everyone goes there to save her - sounds GREAT and original. So unlike what we have now.
      To be fair it took everyone less than one episode to get to Camelot and find Emma in 5A. A trip to the Underworld will not be that simple.

      Don't worry the writers will make it simple. Haven't you heard about the Grim Repear's phone? All you need to do is call the number of a dead person and it will instantly take you to him in the underworld.

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    • And now seriously, they introduced charon and his boat. All they need to do is summon him, beat him up and steal his boat. That shouldn't take more than one episode.

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    • Love the tittle!

      Emma is dying :(

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    • Budloopy4 wrote:
      This will be the spring premiere and the 100th episode. They planned it that way, so they are going to do a 10/12 split instead of the usual 11/11. Also, and I could be wrong, but regarding the title, I believe that a swan song is related to death and the legacy of a person after they've passed. Perhaps there will be a major death in the winter finale (5x10) or in this one.

      Not really, it says this episode is airing December 6 

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Budloopy4 wrote:
      This will be the spring premiere and the 100th episode. They planned it that way, so they are going to do a 10/12 split instead of the usual 11/11. Also, and I could be wrong, but regarding the title, I believe that a swan song is related to death and the legacy of a person after they've passed. Perhaps there will be a major death in the winter finale (5x10) or in this one.
      The 10/12 split was an early plan that has since changed, they are now doing 11/11. 512 is now the spring premiere and 100th episode. Adam confirmed that. You are correct about the meaning of swan song.

      Isn't the season 11/12 now, though? When Adam announced the two-hour night in November on Twitter, he used the hashtag #theseasonjustgotBIGGER meaning it would be 23 episodes now like season 4, right? So we're getting 11 in the fall and 12 in the spring.

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    • Mowgli's Road wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Budloopy4 wrote:
      This will be the spring premiere and the 100th episode. They planned it that way, so they are going to do a 10/12 split instead of the usual 11/11. Also, and I could be wrong, but regarding the title, I believe that a swan song is related to death and the legacy of a person after they've passed. Perhaps there will be a major death in the winter finale (5x10) or in this one.
      The 10/12 split was an early plan that has since changed, they are now doing 11/11. 512 is now the spring premiere and 100th episode. Adam confirmed that. You are correct about the meaning of swan song.
      Isn't the season 11/12 now, though? When Adam announced the two-hour night in November on Twitter, he used the hashtag #theseasonjustgotBIGGER meaning it would be 23 episodes now like season 4, right? So we're getting 11 in the fall and 12 in the spring.

      Possibly, we're still debating that point. I personally feel it means a 23rd hour, but we will have to wait and see. If it's a 23rd hour, I hope they make 512 (the 100th episode) a two hour episode.

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    • Mowgli's Road wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Budloopy4 wrote:
      This will be the spring premiere and the 100th episode. They planned it that way, so they are going to do a 10/12 split instead of the usual 11/11. Also, and I could be wrong, but regarding the title, I believe that a swan song is related to death and the legacy of a person after they've passed. Perhaps there will be a major death in the winter finale (5x10) or in this one.
      The 10/12 split was an early plan that has since changed, they are now doing 11/11. 512 is now the spring premiere and 100th episode. Adam confirmed that. You are correct about the meaning of swan song.
      Isn't the season 11/12 now, though? When Adam announced the two-hour night in November on Twitter, he used the hashtag #theseasonjustgotBIGGER meaning it would be 23 episodes now like season 4, right? So we're getting 11 in the fall and 12 in the spring.

      As far as I know bigger has a different meaning tha longer. I'm not sure what he meant, but he never specificaly said that this season has extra episodes. Moreover abc hasn't announced anything about ordering more episodes. So currently it's 11/11.

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    • It doesn't necessarily concern death. The swan song is a metaphorical phrase for a final gesture, effort, or performance given just before death or retirement. It might refer to the last moments of Emma as the Dark One.

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    • Another thing: if the Dark Swan dies, can't they just get her from the vault in exchange for a miserable man's life? Top easy.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Another thing: if the Dark Swan dies, can't they just get her from the vault in exchange for a miserable man's life? Top easy.

      Hook! =O

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Another thing: if the Dark Swan dies, can't they just get her from the vault in exchange for a miserable man's life? Top easy.

      It can only work when the Dark One tries to "kill" himself/herself with the dagger.

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    • OF COURSE IT'S FREAKING CALLED SWAN SONG

      HOW COULD WE NOT HAVE GUESSED

      >_<

      SO looking forward to this!! ALL THE IMPLICATIONS...

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Another thing: if the Dark Swan dies, can't they just get her from the vault in exchange for a miserable man's life? Top easy.
      It can only work when the Dark One tries to "kill" himself/herself with the dagger.

      Was that ever confirmed?

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Another thing: if the Dark Swan dies, can't they just get her from the vault in exchange for a miserable man's life? Top easy.
      It can only work when the Dark One tries to "kill" himself/herself with the dagger.
      Was that ever confirmed?

      Yes. In 2.16 "The Miller's Daughter", Cora said If the Dark One is killed without the use of the dagger, he will expel the powers of the Dark One into the air, meaning the Darkness will be destroyed.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Another thing: if the Dark Swan dies, can't they just get her from the vault in exchange for a miserable man's life? Top easy.
      It can only work when the Dark One tries to "kill" himself/herself with the dagger.
      Was that ever confirmed?
      Yes. In 2.16 "The Miller's Daughter", Cora said If the Dark One is killed without the use of the dagger, he will expel the powers of the Dark One into the air, meaning the Darkness will be destroyed.

      Thanks!

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    • However, we already know that Cora can't be trusted (*Cough*Lancelot*Cough*).  She probably does not have a clue about the darkness and what happens to it.

      Swan Song, very ominous title indeed.  I agree with the definitions, and would also point out that generally the Swan Song for a person is usually something Beautiful and/or Noble in nature. In this case, something Heroic.

      Given that we are seeing Hook's dad filming for this episode, combined with the fact that Killian's name (along with Emma's) is emblazoned on Excalibur, We could be looking at yet another death for Killian. (Not a permanent death, I would imagine, but at least a cliff hanger). But it could be that Killian's Sacrifice is what saves Emma from the Darkness. (Just guessing)

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Another thing: if the Dark Swan dies, can't they just get her from the vault in exchange for a miserable man's life? Top easy.
      It can only work when the Dark One tries to "kill" himself/herself with the dagger.
      Was that ever confirmed?
      Yes. In 2.16 "The Miller's Daughter", Cora said If the Dark One is killed without the use of the dagger, he will expel the powers of the Dark One into the air, meaning the Darkness will be destroyed.

      That's not how that works. If in the LWM the DO dies, then the Darkness would be trapped in a limbo state because the Darkness is immortal, but the person might not be.

      Anyhow, the Dark One is immortal with magic, so it's presumably unkillable. I mena I would think Merlin would have done that if it was so easy.

      Anything Cora says doesn't really matter because they didn't have this mythos created when season 2 was about.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Another thing: if the Dark Swan dies, can't they just get her from the vault in exchange for a miserable man's life? Top easy.
      It can only work when the Dark One tries to "kill" himself/herself with the dagger.
      Was that ever confirmed?
      Yes. In 2.16 "The Miller's Daughter", Cora said If the Dark One is killed without the use of the dagger, he will expel the powers of the Dark One into the air, meaning the Darkness will be destroyed.

      Anything Cora says doesn't really matter because they didn't have this mythos created when season 2 was about.

      But they're fallowing the road they created. They always do. (Except Hook's sword situation in 5.03, I'm really really annoyed that)

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Another thing: if the Dark Swan dies, can't they just get her from the vault in exchange for a miserable man's life? Top easy.
      It can only work when the Dark One tries to "kill" himself/herself with the dagger.
      Was that ever confirmed?
      Yes. In 2.16 "The Miller's Daughter", Cora said If the Dark One is killed without the use of the dagger, he will expel the powers of the Dark One into the air, meaning the Darkness will be destroyed.
      Anything Cora says doesn't really matter because they didn't have this mythos created when season 2 was about.
      But they're fallowing the road they created. They always do. (Except Hook's sword situation in 5.03, I'm really really annoyed that)

      The amount of retcons they did this season would say that they aren't. Wrong sword for Hook. Zelena's apparent protection spell on her heart when there wasn't. Hook having a potion from Regina to rip out hearts when we saw their whole meeting. I think they are going for a world record or something.

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    • Why does everyone think that the wrong sword was used with Hook? if it is because of the actual prop used, I would just blame the prop department (and the person that is responsible for making sure continuity is maintained).  From a story perspective (minus the prop), it works with 0 retcon.

      now, the other 2 things are clearly retconned, that I won't argue.

      However, discussion of retcons belongs in a different thread.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      However, we already know that Cora can't be trusted (*Cough*Lancelot*Cough*).  She probably does not have a clue about the darkness and what happens to it.

      Swan Song, very ominous title indeed.  I agree with the definitions, and would also point out that generally the Swan Song for a person is usually something Beautiful and/or Noble in nature. In this case, something Heroic.

      Given that we are seeing Hook's dad filming for this episode, combined with the fact that Killian's name (along with Emma's) is emblazoned on Excalibur, We could be looking at yet another death for Killian. (Not a permanent death, I would imagine, but at least a cliff hanger). But it could be that Killian's Sacrifice is what saves Emma from the Darkness. (Just guessing)

      We already had a non permanent death for him (even though it wasn't real in the AU). So most likely this time it will be a permanent one. No one knows.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Why does everyone think that the wrong sword was used with Hook? if it is because of the actual prop used, I would just blame the prop department (and the person that is responsible for making sure continuity is maintained).  From a story perspective (minus the prop), it works with 0 retcon.

      now, the other 2 things are clearly retconned, that I won't argue.

      We think like that because in "The Crocodile", we saw Rumpel putting Hook's sword (which touched Rumpel before and has a golden handle) in his scabbard. And in futher episodes, we saw Hook using Milah's sword (which has a black handle). But I don't think it is a retcon or goof. They knew this but still they chose this way. Maybe they think we won't realize it

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      We already had a non permanent death for him (even though it wasn't real in the AU). So most likely this time it will be a permanent one. No one knows.

      The AU should not even count as a non-permanent death, because it was nothing more than a storybook. Hook was not the only character to "die", in Isaac's story.... Doc and Regina "died", as well.

      If someone dies during Swan Song, as the title would suggest, I seriously doubt that person would stay dead for long. Interestingly enough, Sean Maguire likened S5 to The Empire Stikes Back.... and we all know, how that film ended.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:

      We already had a non permanent death for him (even though it wasn't real in the AU). So most likely this time it will be a permanent one. No one knows.

      The AU should not even count as a non-permanent death, because it was nothing more than a storybook. Hook was not the only character to "die", in Isaac's story.... Doc and Regina "died", as well.

      If someone dies during Swan Song, as the title would suggest, I seriously doubt that person would stay dead for long. Interestingly enough, Sean Maguire likened S5 to The Empire Stikes Back. 

      Tell that to Neal. He didn't earn a non permanent death. Anyway, have you forgotten that no spell can awaken the dead. The apprentice said so himself. And that's a fact. And if Emma dies while still as the dark one, someone has to resurect her by giving up his or her own life in exchange (just like between Rumple and his son).

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    • Neal sadly died, as the price for his father's selfishness. Rumple always thought that he could have it all, and this was proof that he could not. 

      Also, it is probably not Emma who is going to die. Similar to what happened with Regina and Robin, in The Price. It was implied that reforging Excalibur, would have a severe cost. My theory.... the price Emma has to pay is Hook's life, but Regina will offer herself instead.

      To qoute Hook, "[Emma} sacrificed herself for you, Your Majesty, because she believed that an Evil Queen could be good. Don't you think you owe it to her, to repay the favor?"

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Neal sadly died, as the price for his father's selfishness. Rumple always thought that he could have it all, and this was proof that he could not. 

      Also, it is probably not Emma who is going to die. Similar to what happened with Regina and Robin, in The Price. It was implied that reforging Excalibur, would have a severe cost. My theory.... the price Emma has to pay is Hook's life, but Regina will offer herself instead.

      To qoute Hook, "[Emma} sacrificed herself for you, Your Majesty, because she believed that an Evil Queen could be good. Don't you think you owe it to her, to repay the favor?"

      Yes, Neal clearly died because Rumple did something while he was dead in a pit of darkness.......sure....

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Neal sadly died, as the price for his father's selfishness. Rumple always thought that he could have it all, and this was proof that he could not. 

      Also, it is probably not Emma who is going to die. Similar to what happened with Regina and Robin, in The Price. It was implied that reforging Excalibur, would have a severe cost. My theory.... the price Emma has to pay is Hook's life, but Regina will offer herself instead.

      To qoute Hook, "[Emma} sacrificed herself for you, Your Majesty, because she believed that an Evil Queen could be good. Don't you think you owe it to her, to repay the favor?"

      Yes, Neal clearly died because Rumple did something while he was dead in a pit of darkness.......sure....

      Neal sacrficed himself to bring back Rumple after he sacrificed himself to defeat Pan and save everyone 

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Neal sadly died, as the price for his father's selfishness. Rumple always thought that he could have it all, and this was proof that he could not. 

      Also, it is probably not Emma who is going to die. Similar to what happened with Regina and Robin, in The Price. It was implied that reforging Excalibur, would have a severe cost. My theory.... the price Emma has to pay is Hook's life, but Regina will offer herself instead.

      To qoute Hook, "[Emma} sacrificed herself for you, Your Majesty, because she believed that an Evil Queen could be good. Don't you think you owe it to her, to repay the favor?"

      Yes, Neal clearly died because Rumple did something while he was dead in a pit of darkness.......sure....
      Neal sacrficed himself to bring back Rumple after he sacrificed himself to defeat Pan and save everyone 

      Yeah, but you can't say. It's Rumple fault that NEal brought him back because he did a good thing. That would just mean that Rumple shouldn't have done a good thing, which is counter-intuitive to "being good".

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Neal sadly died, as the price for his father's selfishness. Rumple always thought that he could have it all, and this was proof that he could not. 

      Also, it is probably not Emma who is going to die. Similar to what happened with Regina and Robin, in The Price. It was implied that reforging Excalibur, would have a severe cost. My theory.... the price Emma has to pay is Hook's life, but Regina will offer herself instead.

      To qoute Hook, "[Emma} sacrificed herself for you, Your Majesty, because she believed that an Evil Queen could be good. Don't you think you owe it to her, to repay the favor?"

      Yes, Neal clearly died because Rumple did something while he was dead in a pit of darkness.......sure....
      Neal sacrficed himself to bring back Rumple after he sacrificed himself to defeat Pan and save everyone 
      Yeah, but you can't say. It's Rumple fault that NEal brought him back because he did a good thing. That would just mean that Rumple shouldn't have done a good thing, which is counter-intuitive to "being good".

      No, that's not what I meant, I meant that it was not Rumple's fault that Neal died and all he did was stop Pan and he did not cause Neal's death 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote: Neal sadly died, as the price for his father's selfishness. Rumple always thought that he could have it all, and this was proof that he could not. 

      Also, it is probably not Emma who is going to die. Similar to what happened with Regina and Robin, in The Price. It was implied that reforging Excalibur, would have a severe cost. My theory.... the price Emma has to pay is Hook's life, but Regina will offer herself instead.

      Regina already offered her life to Robin, but they both made it. And I don't think she would do it again on a pirate.

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    • I worry that this episode will mean the end of the Dark Swan, which I really hope they won't do. I expected this Dark Swan storyline to go all the way into season 6... but yeah. However they did say that the Dark Swan and Lily will have interactions in 5B, so I guess DS still will be alive.

      Someone will die... but I really wonder who. Maybe Hook gets taken to Davy Jones' Locker (which basically means death) and the crew go after him.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      However they did say that the Dark Swan and Lily will have interactions in 5B, so I guess DS still will be alive.

      I think, you are misinterpreting what Eddy and Adam said. 

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      ChocolatEyes613 wrote: DarKingdomHearts wrote: However they did say that the Dark Swan and The question and were Lily will have interactions in 5B, so I guess DS still will be alive. I think, you are misinterpreting what Eddy and Adam said. I don't think DarKingdomHearts is misinterpreting what they said. like this: While Emma is evil, will we see her interact with Lily (Agnes Bruckner) at all? KITSIS: No. HOROWITZ: Not in the first half of the season. They didn't say Emma will not still be dark in 5B. They obviously clued that Emma and Lily will interact in the second arc. Even when When is still the dark one.
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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      However they did say that the Dark Swan and Lily will have interactions in 5B, so I guess DS still will be alive.

      I think, you are misinterpreting what Eddy and Adam said. 

      I don't think DarKingdomHearts is misinterpreting what they said. The question is like this:


      While Emma is evil, will we see her interact with Lily (Agnes Bruckner) at all?

      KITSIS: No.

      HOROWITZ: Not in the first half of the season.'


      They didn't say Emma will not still be dark in 5B. They obviously clued that Emma and Lily will interact in the second arc. Even when she is still the dark one.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:

      We already had a non permanent death for him (even though it wasn't real in the AU). So most likely this time it will be a permanent one. No one knows.

      The AU should not even count as a non-permanent death, because it was nothing more than a storybook. Hook was not the only character to "die", in Isaac's story.... Doc and Regina "died", as well.

      If someone dies during Swan Song, as the title would suggest, I seriously doubt that person would stay dead for long. Interestingly enough, Sean Maguire likened S5 to The Empire Stikes Back. 

      Tell that to Neal. He didn't earn a non permanent death. Anyway, have you forgotten that no spell can awaken the dead. The apprentice said so himself. And that's a fact. And if Emma dies while still as the dark one, someone has to resurect her by giving up his or her own life in exchange (just like between Rumple and his son).

      No spell can bring back the dead, but going and getting someone from the Underworld is not a spell. It's a quest.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:

      We already had a non permanent death for him (even though it wasn't real in the AU). So most likely this time it will be a permanent one. No one knows.

      The AU should not even count as a non-permanent death, because it was nothing more than a storybook. Hook was not the only character to "die", in Isaac's story.... Doc and Regina "died", as well.

      If someone dies during Swan Song, as the title would suggest, I seriously doubt that person would stay dead for long. Interestingly enough, Sean Maguire likened S5 to The Empire Stikes Back. 

      Tell that to Neal. He didn't earn a non permanent death. Anyway, have you forgotten that no spell can awaken the dead. The apprentice said so himself. And that's a fact. And if Emma dies while still as the dark one, someone has to resurect her by giving up his or her own life in exchange (just like between Rumple and his son).

      No spell can bring back the dead, but going and getting someone from the Underworld is not a spell. It's a quest.

      It is a Magic show, not a greek show. Anyway, there is always a price like selling your soul in exchange. Magic or not, everything always comes at a price. Know that.

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    • Greek mythology is filled with magic.

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    • I hope Hook doesn't die, he is my favorite character. He is a survivor so I hope will survive!

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:

      We already had a non permanent death for him (even though it wasn't real in the AU). So most likely this time it will be a permanent one. No one knows.

      The AU should not even count as a non-permanent death, because it was nothing more than a storybook. Hook was not the only character to "die", in Isaac's story.... Doc and Regina "died", as well.

      If someone dies during Swan Song, as the title would suggest, I seriously doubt that person would stay dead for long. Interestingly enough, Sean Maguire likened S5 to The Empire Stikes Back. 

      Tell that to Neal. He didn't earn a non permanent death. Anyway, have you forgotten that no spell can awaken the dead. The apprentice said so himself. And that's a fact. And if Emma dies while still as the dark one, someone has to resurect her by giving up his or her own life in exchange (just like between Rumple and his son).
      No spell can bring back the dead, but going and getting someone from the Underworld is not a spell. It's a quest.
      It is a Magic show, not a greek show. Anyway, there is always a price like selling your soul in exchange. Magic or not, everything always comes at a price. Know that.

      It is a classic story show, and you don't get more classic than the Greek Myths. Besides, it's not speculation, Greek myths have been a part of this show since the first season. The price is to convice Hades to let the person back to the land of the living, which is hard enough, plus you have to get to him first, which is very difficult all by itself.

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    • If Dark Swan dies and everybody travels through Hell to save her, it'll be too repetitive. If Hook dies and Dark Swan goes to the Underworld to save him, it'll be more reasonable.

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    • I don't think the episode's title refers to Emma herself dying. Maybe her actions will cause a death, prompting a quest to the Underworld. It would have to be a major character though. Any ideas on who?

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    • I can't believe I'm saying this, but ENOUGH with the group adventures. "Someone's in trouble, let's all go and save him

      If Emma dies please let Hook and Regina (for example) go to the Underworld. Not everyone has to join in every time.

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    • I think this is hook's death because this is episode with him flashbacks.

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    • Even though doing the quest thing is a bit repetitive, you have to remember this is a show about fairytales. And practically every fairytale is a quest. 

      And not just any quest. It's the ultimate quest. To bring someone back from the Underworld! I don't think people are seeing how big of a deal that is. 

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    • Eddiefunny wrote:
      Even though doing the quest thing is a bit repetitive, you have to remember this is a show about fairytales. And practically every fairytale is a quest. 

      And not just any quest. It's the ultimate quest. To bring someone back from the Underworld! I don't think people are seeing how big of a deal that is. 

      It's because of things like this for exmaple,

      Rumple was an imoortal, powerful being with great knowledge and his son dies and he sees that he can't do anything about it. IF he could go off to the underworld and save him, I doubt he'd mope around and never try.

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    • Maybe go on the same quest again, but if they for example go to the Underworld they could split up in different groups or are forced to do that.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Rumple was an imoortal, powerful being with great knowledge and his son dies and he sees that he can't do anything about it. IF he could go off to the underworld and save him, I doubt he'd mope around and never try.

      The Underworld could easily be where those with unfinished business go to. Neal made peace with his loved ones, and his ultimate decision.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote: Rumple was an imoortal, powerful being with great knowledge and his son dies and he sees that he can't do anything about it. IF he could go off to the underworld and save him, I doubt he'd mope around and never try.
      The Underworld could easily be where those with unfinshed business go to. Neal made peace with his loved ones, and his ultimate decision.

      I will agree with this, but more importantly they should give a little mythos dump for us. Like where did Ghost Cora go/come from because she clearly had unfinished business and was roaming free? Netherworld vs Wriath's store of collected souls, and the Underworld and this place they call Hell which might just be the same as the Underworld, or maybe not.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Rumple was an imoortal, powerful being with great knowledge and his son dies and he sees that he can't do anything about it. IF he could go off to the underworld and save him, I doubt he'd mope around and never try.

      The Underworld could easily be where those with unfinished business go to.

      This sounds very familiar...

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    • What if a wraith takes someone's soul and we see the Charmings ask Aurora and Mulan how they got Philip back, then we get the flashback of them doing it :)

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote: Rumple was an imoortal, powerful being with great knowledge and his son dies and he sees that he can't do anything about it. IF he could go off to the underworld and save him, I doubt he'd mope around and never try.
      The Underworld could easily be where those with unfinshed business go to. Neal made peace with his loved ones, and his ultimate decision.
      I will agree with this, but more importantly they should give a little mythos dump for us. Like where did Ghost Cora go/come from because she clearly had unfinished business and was roaming free? Netherworld vs Wriath's store of collected souls, and the Underworld and this place they call Hell which might just be the same as the Underworld, or maybe not.

      I'm sure they will give us an info dump if they go to the Underworld. Because yeah, they have to explain things like ghost Cora and why Rumple wouldn't go to the Underworld to save Neal after he died. I'm thinking whatever they do, it will tie into what Aurora and Mulan did for Phillip. I mean we already got Mulan back, we might as well make the most out of her appearances this season.

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    • Elliot Knight says he is still filming in ep. 5x11

      http://moviepilot.com/posts/2015/10/21/10-things-you-didn-t-know-about-merlin-from-once-upon-a-time-3601749?lt_source=external,manual,manual

      I kinda hope Merlin sticks around after this arc, even dead, maybe as a spirit or flashbacks, because he is not just a Camelot character, but he's tied to all of the show mythology.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Elliot Knight says he is still filming in ep. 5x11

      http://moviepilot.com/posts/2015/10/21/10-things-you-didn-t-know-about-merlin-from-once-upon-a-time-3601749?lt_source=external,manual,manual

      I kinda hope Merlin sticks around after this arc, even dead, maybe as a spirit or flashbacks, because he is not just a Camelot character, but he's tied to all of the show mythology.

      Merlin does own a mansion in Storybrooke. Perhaps, that is where he has been hiding this whole time, lol?! 

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    • I suppose Merlin would survive and return in the second arc. He might appear in the present the same way his Apprentice did. I mean in the first half of the fourth season, the Apprentice was trapped in the hat until Operation Mongoose part 1 in the second half where takes action at last. We'll have to wait and see.

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    • I do hope he stays around more so than the Apprentice.

      Once's solution to super magical people is make them the bad guys, make them powerless, or kill them off.I hate that.

      It stops Deus ex machina, but it's pretty much deus ex machina or Ploit that kills them off.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      I do hope he stays around more so than the Apprentice.

      Once's solution to super magical people is make them the bad guys, make them powerless, or kill them off.I hate that.

      It stops Deus ex machina, but it's pretty much deus ex machina or Ploit that kills them off.

      Elliot Knight seemed to describe Merlin, as more of a hands-off type of wizard. He gives over prophecies, and only guides when necessary.

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    • Adam Croasdell & Colin O'Donoghue on set. I believe people who were there are saying this is from last night?

      https://twitter.com/ACroasdell/status/656898511741591552 

      So it looks like his father has never aged since the abandonment went down and Hook is back in his old pirate costume from the Neverland days. That'll be an interesting flashback...........

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      So it looks like his father has never aged since the abandonment went down and Hook is back in his old pirate costume from the Neverland days. That'll be an interesting flashback...........

      Actually, Hook only wore that exact outfit during the present-day storylines. 

      OMG, I know who Papa Hook is.... Inigo Montoya!!!!

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:

      So it looks like his father has never aged since the abandonment went down and Hook is back in his old pirate costume from the Neverland days. That'll be an interesting flashback...........

      Actually, Hook only wore that exact outfit during the present-day storylines. 

      OMG, I know who Papa Hook is.... Inigo Montoya!!!!

      I probably should've worded it better because for some reason my mind first went to "leather outfit from the Neverland arc!" which I guess also means that he had it when we met him in season 2 & beyond. 

      But yes! That was also my first thought, lol! I wasn't expecting the long hair at all. 

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    • Also, there is some Evil Queen:

      https://instagram.com/p/9HHrCdt5EI/

      This is getting stranger

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      But yes! That was also my first thought, lol! I wasn't expecting the long hair at all. 

      That seems to be the general consensus, judging by the comments.... lol.

      The Evil Queen, Captain Hook, and Inigo Montoya meet up in a pub.... sounds like the start of really cheesy joke. WTF is going on???? 

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    • I'm thinking maybeeeee this is a flashback to right after Hook left Neverland for the last time and right before he broke into Regina's castle to interrogate Belle? Regina told him that she had heard of him .......maybe from his father? They also teased that "Hook & Evil Queen adventure" though but that has me confused because we already have a pretty linear timeline of what went on with Hook after meeting Regina and there doesn't seem to be room for it to have happened.

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    • Guys. That picture (https://twitter.com/ACroasdell/status/656898511741591552) does not actually mean that Hook and his father are in the same time period together or at all.

      Have you all forgotten about the Hook/Regina adventure, or Hook's Childhood. That picture with Papa Hook obviously may refer to Killian and Liam's childhood, while Adult Hook in his pirate outfit refers to the Hook/Regina adventure backstory. Have you thought of that? I wouldn't think so.

      As for the Instagram (https://instagram.com/p/9HHrCdt5EI/), It seems to be a photo for the Regina/Hook backstory as well.

      Look what I am trying to say is, do not jump to any conclusions on what you see. Photos and footage can be misleading. So it may not have anything to do with Hook's father entering the present or him with both Regina and Hook. It may not have anything to do with this underworld theory (which might not happen). I am not saying it won't, but let's not get our hopes to high or speculations misled.

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    • I forgot to mention. Those photos could be for a similar event from the episode "Going Home" where we see each character's backstories before Emma and Henry leave storybrooke, while everyone else goes back to their realms.

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    • Nicky, you're no fun.  We're supposed to see these images and start jumping to random conclusions based on little or no information.  :-p

      We have not forgotten about the Regina/Hook story.  But when you see Papa Hook and Killian, but in full costume and makeup, on the same set, it can lead to some interesting assumptions. many of which, as you point out, are inaccurate.  I think we all know that there can be more than one explanation for a picture. I remember a picture from 3x21, where Colin was in the Prince Charles costume, and he had a wet spot on one knee. There were all sorts of speculation that he had perhaps popped the question.  He didn't, but it did not stop the speculation from occuring beforehand.

      If anyone is bothered by random speculation regarding certain pictures (or titles, script teases, tweets, etc), then you should either ignore it, or add your own equally random speculation to the mix.  This is how we roll.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote: Nicky, you're no fun.  We're supposed to see these images and start jumping to random conclusions based on little or no information.  :-p

      We have not forgotten about the Regina/Hook story.  But when you see Papa Hook and Killian, but in full costume and makeup, on the same set, it can lead to some interesting assumptions. many of which, as you point out, are inaccurate.  I think we all know that there can be more than one explanation for a picture. I remember a picture from 3x21, where Colin was in the Prince Charles costume, and he had a wet spot on one knee. There were all sorts of speculation that he had perhaps popped the question.  He didn't, but it did not stop the speculation from occuring beforehand.

      If anyone is bothered by random speculation regarding certain pictures (or titles, script teases, tweets, etc), then you should either ignore it, or add your own equally random speculation to the mix.  This is how we roll.

      Okay okay Hmcooper4. I didn't know what you were thinking. I thought you were jumping to conclusions the wrong way. I'm sorry. No Fun? Not quite true, I just mistaken okay. Truce?

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    • I love that Papa Hook looks like Inigo Montoya, because no one expected it.

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    • The Evil Queen is wearing the same costume she wore in 3x02

      That's my favorite!

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    • http://illneverstopfightingforus.tumblr.com/post/131633541863/oh-no-sorry-about-whatever-happened-in-march-that

      According to this fan, Robert, Lana, Rebecca, and Liam were also spotted filming yesterday.

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      According to this fan, Robert, Lana, Rebecca, and Liam were also spotted filming yesterday.

      Liam Garrigan is still filming.... interesting. I was under the impression, that the Camelot characters' arc would be over in 5.09.

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    • Thank god Zelena is doing something!

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    • I don't know what Zelena is doing, but I sure don't like the sound of it. I mean by doing something wicked. Unless she was forced to help the others.

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    • There is a scene of Zelena and the now coward Rumple together.

      It has to be good

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:

      According to this fan, Robert, Lana, Rebecca, and Liam were also spotted filming yesterday.

      Liam Garrigan is still filming.... interesting. I was under the impression, that the Camelot characters' arc would be over in 5.09.

      Yeah, I think that someone else was saying that Elliot Knight might still be filming as well. I would've thought that at least one of them would be dead by now, haha. 

      Pic of Liam from set: http://captainswanouat.tumblr.com/post/131658711982/as-per-the-request-of-illneverstopfightingforus

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    • JennaMae wrote:

      Yeah, I think that someone else was saying that Elliot Knight might still be filming as well. I would've thought that at least one of them would be dead by now, haha. 

      Pic of Liam from set: http://captainswanouat.tumblr.com/post/131658711982/as-per-the-request-of-illneverstopfightingforus

      OMG, the caption under that picture is hilarious!

      Arthur and Merlin are arguably, the only important Camelot characters anyway.... despite Merlin being stuck in a tree, for at least half the arc. Honestly, Liam and Elliot are the only good recurring actors, this season. Sinqua, Amy, and Joana are just decent.

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    • In Amy's defense, she was in Episode 1, and 2 very short scenes in episode 4. So she has not had the screen time to really develop her character yet.

      I will agree that Joana has not totally blown me away as Guin, but she has not disappointed either.  Same with Sinqua (though he's also had more limited screen time, and I don't know where they are taking the Lancelot character).

      I am still hoping the Camelot (or at least the characters) carry over permenantly. I think Arthur is ultmately redeemable, and the writers have established Merlin as central to the Dark One Mythos, which I feel relatively postive in saying will not be completely resolved by 5x11.

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    • Do you suppose Lancelot will ever return to the round table again?

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:

      I am still hoping the Camelot (or at least the characters) carry over permenantly. I think Arthur is ultmately redeemable, and the writers have established Merlin as central to the Dark One Mythos, which I feel relatively postive in saying will not be completely resolved by 5x11.

      Arthur is definitely redeemable, because he shows remorse. He is not even a villain, in the traditional sense. It would be nice if the Camelot characters stay in Storybrooke.... Liam is just too talented to never appear again, lol.


      NickyHelp wrote:
      Do you suppose Lancelot will ever return to the round table again?

      The residents of Camelot now live in Storybrooke, and Lancelot might be dead.

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    • We haven't seen Lancelot in Storybrooke yet, at least. But I suspect that we may yet.  Typical with the storytelling style of the writers, they are only revealing their cards when necessary, and the Lancelot Card in Storybrooke is not yet needed. (assuming it's in play).

      Now that Merida is in Storybrooke, it's time to get her into a nice pair of Jeans and a T.

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    • I think Arthur dies, something tells me the writers will not show him mercy.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      I think Arthur dies, something tells me the writers will not show him mercy.

      The writers do not consider Arthur to be a villain, at all. He is conflicted and remorseful, because he believes he is fulfilling his destiny. 

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    • Looks like this is going to be an interesting episode. Also, is it just me, or does Hook's Dad's one pant leg look oddly bunched up. If it is, I suspect he may be wearing a peg leg, and if he is, he is almost certainly Long John Silver.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Also, is it just me, or does Hook's Dad's one pant leg look oddly bunched up. If it is, I suspect he may be wearing a peg leg, and if he is, he is almost certainly Long John Silver.

      Except, he is not wearing fake peg-leg.

      Oddly enough, I was thinking that perhaps Papa Hook is Sinbad the Sailor, from the 1001 Arabian Nights.

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    • With all the Greek stuff going on, it would not surprise me if Papa Hook turned ot to be none other than Jason (of Golden Fleece and Argonaut fame).  Which, if they keep to the story on that one, would make Killian royalty. (Jason's father was a King that had his throne Usurped by Jason's uncle.)

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      With all the Greek stuff going on, it would not surprise me if Papa Hook turned ot to be none other than Jason (of Golden Fleece and Argonaut fame).  Which, if they keep to the story on that one, would make Killian royalty. (Jason's father was a King that had his throne Usurped by Jason's uncle.)

      OMG, I think you might be right! If Papa Hook does turn out to be Jason, that would make the Charmings & Co. the Argonauts.... which is freakin' brilliant.

      Fan facts: Amy Manson portrayed Madea on the BBC One series Atlantis. While, William Shatner voiced Jason, on an episode of the Hercules cartoon.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      I think Arthur dies, something tells me the writers will not show him mercy.

      The writers do not consider Arthur to be a villain, at all. He is conflicted and remorseful, because he believes he is fulfilling his destiny. 

      It's not because he's a villain or something else, it's a gut feeling.

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    • Interestingly, with the recent announcement for "Distinguished Guy", who sounds an awful lot like he might be Hades, I will have to increase the chance that someone important dies.

      However, another thought occurs to me.  Who in the group has cheated death? David, Gold, possibly Killian, Robin, Zelena. How about Hades comes to claim a debt, and takes Zelena's Baby as payment for both Robin and Zelena's debt?  First, it would be ironic given that Zelena was the one that took the Charming baby. And Second, Robin, Regina, and Zelena will not stand around and let that go unanswered. Now, how this would play out, and how the others, including a still Dark Emma, get drawn in would be interesting. (I am assuming that Emma will still be the Dark One for the second half of season 5).

      Just some speculation, and if this were to happen, this would be the cliffhanger (or at least related to the cliffhanger) that we will see in Swan Song.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Interestingly, with the recent announcement for "Distinguished Guy", who sounds an awful lot like he might be Hades, I will have to increase the chance that someone important dies.

      I am thinking, it will be our reformed Evil Queen. Paralleling Emma making the ultimate sacrifice in 4.22, Regina will now do the same.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      With all the Greek stuff going on, it would not surprise me if Papa Hook turned ot to be none other than Jason (of Golden Fleece and Argonaut fame).  Which, if they keep to the story on that one, would make Killian royalty. (Jason's father was a King that had his throne Usurped by Jason's uncle.)

      Jason Jones? It could work I guess. We're starting to run out of decent options at any rate.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      With all the Greek stuff going on, it would not surprise me if Papa Hook turned ot to be none other than Jason (of Golden Fleece and Argonaut fame).  Which, if they keep to the story on that one, would make Killian royalty. (Jason's father was a King that had his throne Usurped by Jason's uncle.)
      Jason Jones? It could work I guess. We're starting to run out of decent options at any rate.

      Sounds terrible as a name, right? I think he might just fill the role, like how Snow was Perseus.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      With all the Greek stuff going on, it would not surprise me if Papa Hook turned ot to be none other than Jason (of Golden Fleece and Argonaut fame).  Which, if they keep to the story on that one, would make Killian royalty. (Jason's father was a King that had his throne Usurped by Jason's uncle.)
      Jason Jones? It could work I guess. We're starting to run out of decent options at any rate.
      Sounds terrible as a name, right? I think he might just fill the role, like how Snow was Perseus.

      Or maybe we're picking the wrong seafairing Greek hero. Odyessus Jones sounds better, and he actually left his family for an extended period of time.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote: Jason Jones? It could work I guess. We're starting to run out of decent options at any rate.
      Sounds terrible as a name, right? I think he might just fill the role, like how Snow was Perseus.
      Or maybe we're picking the wrong seafairing Greek hero. Odyessus Jones sounds better, and he actually left his family for an extended period of time.

      Jason works better than Odysseus, because it make Papa Hook's identity less obvious.... the name is more generic. If Adam Croasdell is credited as "Jason", not everyone would realise who he is, right off the bat. Also, Rumplestiltskin had the Golden Fleece in his collection. 


      PS: It was Liam Garrigan's last day of filming, and he bought donuts for everyone.... I miss him already!

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    • Awww good bye Arthur :(

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      With all the Greek stuff going on, it would not surprise me if Papa Hook turned ot to be none other than Jason (of Golden Fleece and Argonaut fame).  Which, if they keep to the story on that one, would make Killian royalty. (Jason's father was a King that had his throne Usurped by Jason's uncle.)
      Jason Jones? It could work I guess. We're starting to run out of decent options at any rate.

      If they do they should introduce Medea as well, she is awesome

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    • It's also Joana's (Guinivere) last day on set. Not Merlin though? Or maybe he already left...?

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    • That probably means all Camelot characters are leaving, unless they're already dead.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      It's also Joana's (Guinivere) last day on set. 

      But she did not bring donuts.

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    • Blackaether wrote:
      That probably means all Camelot characters are leaving, unless they're already dead.

      We know its Arthur and Gwen final appearence (at least for some time). Maybe some characters stay in Storybrooke (I'm hoping Merida and Violet) or die (I'm hoping NOT Merida and Violet)

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    • I guess the question is will the residents of camelot return home (like the residents of Arendelle), or will they fade into the background? I am actually hoping Arthur just fades into the background, and can come back in the future.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I guess the question is will the residents of camelot return home (like the residents of Arendelle), or will they fade into the background? I am actually hoping Arthur just fades into the background, and can come back in the future.

      Yeah, I see that happening. Hopefully Arthur and Camelot prep for building Camelot by building the Merry Men some huts or something because they ar eborderline homeless.

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    • So, the entire main cast (except Zelena) was seen filming on the same lake that the Fury attacked Robin. A bunch of people (at least 10) were seen wearing Grim Reaper's clothes (like the Charon's). And one really random thing: There was a female version of Rumple there. She had the same hair and makeup, but darker clothes.


      Source (in portuguese, sorry): http://tinyurl.com/nhtas6o

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    • What about the possibility that freeing the DO caused a portal to the Underworld to be opened and instead of it dragging someone down there, it releases people to come to SB.  That way they can bring back a lot of old characters but yet save money from building new sets.  Then the arc is having them try to figure out how to close back the portal.   And in one interview A said that 5b would be the people have things from their past come back and this would fit that literally.  

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    • Ha, what if Zelena becomes the Dark One? 

      Can you even imagine that? Chaos will follow. 

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    • https://twitter.com/jenmorrisonlive/status/657772088669831168

      Red leather jacket-wearing Emma is finally back. Jen filmed as the Dark Swan yesterday though. 

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    • Really?? :(

      I kinda like Dark Swan

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Really?? :(

      I kinda like Dark Swan

      I would've liked her if they'd actually done something with her and build her as the new threat. Instead they'd like to make games with Arthur and make him the big bad of the season even though it's really unnecessary.

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    • Also, Lana posted this picture today. https://instagram.com/p/9NDLAqN5AK/

      Her outfit looks like it could be the one from 2x09, the episode about Hook and Regina's first meeting. The diamond collar isn't a perfect match, but the earrings are even the same. 

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    • LinusHikaru wrote:
      So, the entire main cast (except Zelena) was seen filming on the same lake that the Fury attacked Robin. A bunch of people (at least 10) were seen wearing Grim Reaper's clothes (like the Charon's). And one really random thing: There was a female version of Rumple there. She had the same hair and makeup, but darker clothes.


      Source (in portuguese, sorry): http://tinyurl.com/nhtas6o

      Interesting. Also, Emilie (Belle) is not listed either, for the main cast. I think someone from the listed cast is getting taken to the Underworld, but the question is who. Also, via Google Translate, here is what was said:

      Mid season finale spoilers of the (lake scene)
      
      Our dear Jessie was yesterday in Burnaby and sent us some details of what he saw on set. First, she could see nothing being filmed, only managed to visualize the movement of staff and cast.
      
      - Fixed Cast recording: JMO with black clothes, hair and makeup of the Dark One and Ginny, Josh, Lana, Colin, Sean, Jared and Robert with Storybrooke clothes
      
      - Several people, it was possible to see about 10, wearing costumes of "death" as the Charon appearing in the lake at 5x02 (photo of the post)
      
      - A sort of female version of Rumple as Dark One, a woman with makeup and his characterization. Question could not be a man or even JMO, and she said that this woman came close and gave to see her well. The costume or both, the clothes looked black, but were covered by a coat that the cast usually use to protect themselves from the cold;
      
      - Gave to hear cries of Snow, but only the word "shame" (shame) was recognized, but not with total certainty.
      
      Soon, video
      
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    • Adam said Belle is in the midseason finale, also JMo filmed the lake scene as the Dark Swan so she is still around for now.

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    • So, maybe we see Nimue, who many theorize to be the first Dark One, plus kudos to them being near a lake.My crack theory is Nyx.

      Nice to see Emma still as Dark One and everyone stil seemingly alive. Based on what was said there and the cast pic celebrating the anniversary of Once in those clothes. It seems like Sean is lacking in the info, but Colin isn't in the pic for the anniversary thing. I say then that either Robin is dying, or more likely Hook is dying.

      http://storybrookemirror.tumblr.com/post/131791369116/x-x-x

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      https://twitter.com/jenmorrisonlive/status/657772088669831168

      Red leather jacket-wearing Emma is finally back. Jen filmed as the Dark Swan yesterday though. 

      What if it is like 5x03 and Emma is just tricking Gold like she tricked Hook.

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    • JennaMae wrote:
      https://twitter.com/jenmorrisonlive/status/657772088669831168

      Red leather jacket-wearing Emma is finally back. Jen filmed as the Dark Swan yesterday though. 

      From what I heard, it could be a flashback scene for an element of 5B. Even Adam talked of the possibility of a flashback on his Twitter ^^

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      JennaMae wrote:
      https://twitter.com/jenmorrisonlive/status/657772088669831168Red leather jacket-wearing Emma is finally back. Jen filmed as the Dark Swan yesterday though. 
      From what I heard, it could be a flashback scene for an element of 5B. Even Adam talked of the possibility of a flashback on his Twitter ^^

      Could you send the link?

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    • Ok, Adam and Eddy have definitely upped their game as far as teasers are concerned.  I don't have a clue where all of this is heading at this point.

      Of course, they've upped their game overall. the storytelling is (in my opinion) much better this year.

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    • But I think we know how the things are, somebody is not a dark one anymore and there's yet another temporary death (or someone is brought to the Underworld for whatever reason).

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      But I think we know how the things are, somebody is not a dark one anymore and there's yet another temporary death (or someone is brought to the Underworld for whatever reason).

      Well, a price needs to be paid.... and it was implied to be a life, from the start.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      But I think we know how the things are, somebody is not a dark one anymore and there's yet another temporary death (or someone is brought to the Underworld for whatever reason).

      Well, a price needs to be paid.... and it was implied to be a life, from the start.

      Yeah, and we don't know if it is a temporary death.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Yeah, and we don't know if it is a temporary death.

      Of course it is.... there would be no reason to try to incorporate Aurora and Phillip, into a future storyline otherwise.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Yeah, and we don't know if it is a temporary death.

      Of course it is.... there would be no reason to try to incorporate Aurora and Phillip, into a future storyline otherwise.

      That does not mean it will repeat on someone else. And you don't know that. If you are so certain it is, prove it.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      That does not mean it will repeat on someone else. And you don't know that. If you are so certain it is, prove it.

      To quote Mary Margaret.... Come hell or high water. We are going to put our nonsense aside, and find [insert any character you want]. In hindsight, that is a very odd choice of words. Venturing into the Underworld to rescue a trapped soul, is not the same as using magic to raise the dead. Especially, if the person's body was dragged there.

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    • Well, here's the video of the mysterious woman that was filming with the main cast in the lake scene. She is the one sitting next to Lana. (The one that looks like Merlin)

      She does look like a man, but some fans that were there said it was definitely a woman.

      Someone said she has a connection with Merlin.

      Video: http://tinyurl.com/pcu8rnc

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    • Maybe she is a stunt for Rumple?

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    • Maybe she is Morgana? Who knows, I'm still suspecting her to be the big bad of 5B who tries to get the darkness out of Emme to claim it for herself to become more powerful than her teacher Merlin. It would be a waste if they didn't use Morgana. And with the casting of Sir Morgan I hope she is in disguise in 5A

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:

      Yeah, and we don't know if it is a temporary death.

      Of course it is.... there would be no reason to try to incorporate Aurora and Phillip, into a future storyline otherwise.

      What's this about Aurora and Phillip? :o

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote: Maybe she is Morgana? Who knows, I'm still suspecting her to be the big bad of 5B who tries to get the darkness out of Emme to claim it for herself to become more powerful than her teacher Merlin. It would be a waste if they didn't use Morgana. And with the casting of Sir Morgan I hope she is in disguise in 5A

      A&E already told us. Morgana will not be in this season. But it is possible that she will be Nimue or one of the former Dark Ones. Or she may be clued as the upcoming villain for 5B. Anything is possible.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:

      Yeah, and we don't know if it is a temporary death.

      Of course it is.... there would be no reason to try to incorporate Aurora and Phillip, into a future storyline otherwise.
      What's this about Aurora and Phillip? :o

      Eddy and Adam mentioned, during the Hot Seat interview, that they were hoping to bring Aurora and Phillip back this season.

      What I have noticed from previous Hot Seats, is that Eddy and Adam are pretty up front, if there is no immediat plan.... I.E.: Not immediately, but hopefully at some point.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:

      Yeah, and we don't know if it is a temporary death.

      Of course it is.... there would be no reason to try to incorporate Aurora and Phillip, into a future storyline otherwise.
      What's this about Aurora and Phillip? :o
      Eddy and Adam mentioned, during the Hot Seat interview, that they were hoping to bring Aurora and Phillip back this season.

      What I have noticed from previous Hot Seats, is that Eddy and Adam are pretty up front, if there is no immediat plan.... I.E.: Not immediately, but hopefully at some point.

      Thanks!

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      DarKingdomHearts wrote: Maybe she is Morgana? Who knows, I'm still suspecting her to be the big bad of 5B who tries to get the darkness out of Emme to claim it for herself to become more powerful than her teacher Merlin. It would be a waste if they didn't use Morgana. And with the casting of Sir Morgan I hope she is in disguise in 5A

      A&E already told us. Morgana will not be in this season. But it is possible that she will be Nimue or one of the former Dark Ones. Or she may be clued as the upcoming villain for 5B. Anything is possible.

      The thing is A&E say many things of which half aren't true in the end. And basically we only see Sir Morgan in 5A while it turns out to be Morgana in 5B... to make it more of a shock to the audience.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      DarKingdomHearts wrote: Maybe she is Morgana? Who knows, I'm still suspecting her to be the big bad of 5B who tries to get the darkness out of Emme to claim it for herself to become more powerful than her teacher Merlin. It would be a waste if they didn't use Morgana. And with the casting of Sir Morgan I hope she is in disguise in 5A

      A&E already told us. Morgana will not be in this season. But it is possible that she will be Nimue or one of the former Dark Ones. Or she may be clued as the upcoming villain for 5B. Anything is possible.

      The thing is A&E say many things of which half aren't true in the end. And basically we only see Sir Morgan in 5A while it turns out to be Morgana in 5B... to make it more of a shock to the audience.

      Actually it would be funny if Sir Morgan was revealed to be Morgana, it's like they did rule 63.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      DarKingdomHearts wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      DarKingdomHearts wrote: Maybe she is Morgana? Who knows, I'm still suspecting her to be the big bad of 5B who tries to get the darkness out of Emme to claim it for herself to become more powerful than her teacher Merlin. It would be a waste if they didn't use Morgana. And with the casting of Sir Morgan I hope she is in disguise in 5A

      A&E already told us. Morgana will not be in this season. But it is possible that she will be Nimue or one of the former Dark Ones. Or she may be clued as the upcoming villain for 5B. Anything is possible.
      The thing is A&E say many things of which half aren't true in the end. And basically we only see Sir Morgan in 5A while it turns out to be Morgana in 5B... to make it more of a shock to the audience.

      Actually it would be funny if Sir Morgan was revealed to be Morgana, it's like they did rule 63.

      I think that's what he was saying :o

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    • Arctucrus wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      DarKingdomHearts wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      DarKingdomHearts wrote: Maybe she is Morgana? Who knows, I'm still suspecting her to be the big bad of 5B who tries to get the darkness out of Emme to claim it for herself to become more powerful than her teacher Merlin. It would be a waste if they didn't use Morgana. And with the casting of Sir Morgan I hope she is in disguise in 5A

      A&E already told us. Morgana will not be in this season. But it is possible that she will be Nimue or one of the former Dark Ones. Or she may be clued as the upcoming villain for 5B. Anything is possible.
      The thing is A&E say many things of which half aren't true in the end. And basically we only see Sir Morgan in 5A while it turns out to be Morgana in 5B... to make it more of a shock to the audience.

      Actually it would be funny if Sir Morgan was revealed to be Morgana, it's like they did rule 63.

      I think that's what he was saying :o

      And I said it'd be hilarious rather than shocking.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Arctucrus wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      DarKingdomHearts wrote:


      NickyHelp wrote:

      DarKingdomHearts wrote: Maybe she is Morgana? Who knows, I'm still suspecting her to be the big bad of 5B who tries to get the darkness out of Emme to claim it for herself to become more powerful than her teacher Merlin. It would be a waste if they didn't use Morgana. And with the casting of Sir Morgan I hope she is in disguise in 5A

      A&E already told us. Morgana will not be in this season. But it is possible that she will be Nimue or one of the former Dark Ones. Or she may be clued as the upcoming villain for 5B. Anything is possible.
      The thing is A&E say many things of which half aren't true in the end. And basically we only see Sir Morgan in 5A while it turns out to be Morgana in 5B... to make it more of a shock to the audience.
      Actually it would be funny if Sir Morgan was revealed to be Morgana, it's like they did rule 63.
      I think that's what he was saying :o

      And I said it'd be hilarious rather than shocking.

      Oh, right. Misread that. My bad! Thanks. Sorry!

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    • What if Emma's goal is actually to bring Neal bakc. Since so far she hasn't said that snuffing out the light and the a bunch of Charon-like people are supposed to appear in this episode. It would be a great way to introduce an Underworld arc.

      P.S. Sir Morgan could be a hint towards Mordred. He's supposed to be some sort of knight in the legends.

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    • Magician123 wrote:
      What if Emma's goal is actually to bring Neal bakc. Since so far she hasn't said that snuffing out the light and the a bunch of Charon-like people are supposed to appear in this episode. It would be a great way to introduce an Underworld arc.

      P.S. Sir Morgan could be a hint towards Mordred. He's supposed to be some sort of knight in the legends.

      They aren't bring Neal back because they have Hook. Kidding, but they are serious about not bringing himback and MRJ (The actor) is doing something else that wouldn't be flexible.

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    • They don't have to actually bring him back, she could just fail. Like Gold in Season 4. They could intorduce the Underworld Arce by haveing Hades show up because the she disturbed the barriers between life and death wihtout actually suceeding doing anything.

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    • The Dark Swan's goal has nothing to do with Neal. 

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    • Still, if Emma saves Hook from the Underworld, people are gonna be upset that she doesn't save Neal too. It's a messy situation, which is why nobody should be resurrected if he/she is dead DEAD.

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    • The only person that can be reasonably saved without angering people and the most logical is Emma. She's the Savior and the main hero. She went on the Hero's Journey which usually has the hero die and reborn with new knowledge to defeat the antagonist.

      Hook should not get that honor.

      But things might not be as they seem. For all we know, the Underworld could be coming to them!

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Still, if Emma saves Hook from the Underworld, people are gonna be upset that she doesn't save Neal too. It's a messy situation, which is why nobody should be resurrected if he/she is dead DEAD.

      Neal did not have any unfinished business, he was at peace when he died.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Magician123 wrote:
      What if Emma's goal is actually to bring Neal bakc. Since so far she hasn't said that snuffing out the light and the a bunch of Charon-like people are supposed to appear in this episode. It would be a great way to introduce an Underworld arc.

      P.S. Sir Morgan could be a hint towards Mordred. He's supposed to be some sort of knight in the legends.

      They aren't bring Neal back because they have Hook. Kidding, but they are serious about not bringing himback and MRJ (The actor) is doing something else that wouldn't be flexible.

      Don't forget August, they still have him. And what is MRJ?

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Magician123 wrote:
      What if Emma's goal is actually to bring Neal bakc. Since so far she hasn't said that snuffing out the light and the a bunch of Charon-like people are supposed to appear in this episode. It would be a great way to introduce an Underworld arc.

      P.S. Sir Morgan could be a hint towards Mordred. He's supposed to be some sort of knight in the legends.

      They aren't bring Neal back because they have Hook. Kidding, but they are serious about not bringing himback and MRJ (The actor) is doing something else that wouldn't be flexible.
      Don't forget August, they still have him. And what is MRJ?

      MRJ = Michael Raymond-James, the actor who portrays Neal Cassidy/Grown-up Baelfire.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Magician123 wrote:
      What if Emma's goal is actually to bring Neal bakc. Since so far she hasn't said that snuffing out the light and the a bunch of Charon-like people are supposed to appear in this episode. It would be a great way to introduce an Underworld arc.

      P.S. Sir Morgan could be a hint towards Mordred. He's supposed to be some sort of knight in the legends.

      They aren't bring Neal back because they have Hook. Kidding, but they are serious about not bringing himback and MRJ (The actor) is doing something else that wouldn't be flexible.
      Don't forget August, they still have him. And what is MRJ?

      MRJ = Michael Raymond-James, the actor who portrays Neal Cassidy/Grown-up Baelfire.

      Thanks. I am not so good at understanding abbreviations sometimes.

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    • Filming reports:

      JMO with black clothes, hair and makeup of the Dark One and Ginny , Josh , Lana, Colin , Sean , Jared and Robert with Storybrooke clothes

      - Several people , it was possible to see about 10 , wearing costumes of " death " as the Charon appearing in the lake at 5x02

      - A sort of female version of Rumple as Dark One , a woman with makeup and his characterization. Questioned could not be a man or even JMO , and she said that this woman came close and gave to see her well . The costume or both , the clothes looked black , but were covered by a coat that the cast usually use to protect themselves from the cold ;

      - Gave to hear cries of Snow , but only the word " shame" was recognized , but not with total certainty .

      In the farewell of the characters of Camelot , Merida leads Arthur, who was apparently arrested, through a portal.

      Source: Once Upon a Spoiler  

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    • All the Dark Ones resurrected and reunited?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Interesting. Also, Emilie (Belle) is not listed either, for the main cast. I think someone from the listed cast is getting taken to the Underworld, but the question is who. Also, via Google Translate, here is what was said:

      Mid season finale spoilers of the (lake scene)
      
      Our dear Jessie was yesterday in Burnaby and sent us some details of what he saw on set. First, she could see nothing being filmed, only managed to visualize the movement of staff and cast.
      
      - Fixed Cast recording: JMO with black clothes, hair and makeup of the Dark One and Ginny, Josh, Lana, Colin, Sean, Jared and Robert with Storybrooke clothes
      
      - Several people, it was possible to see about 10, wearing costumes of "death" as the Charon appearing in the lake at 5x02 (photo of the post)
      
      - A sort of female version of Rumple as Dark One, a woman with makeup and his characterization. Question could not be a man or even JMO, and she said that this woman came close and gave to see her well. The costume or both, the clothes looked black, but were covered by a coat that the cast usually use to protect themselves from the cold;
      
      - Gave to hear cries of Snow, but only the word "shame" (shame) was recognized, but not with total certainty.
      
      Soon, video
      

      After last night episode, I do not think those extras were dressed as reapers.... they will probably represent all of the previous Dark Ones. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Interesting. Also, Emilie (Belle) is not listed either, for the main cast. I think someone from the listed cast is getting taken to the Underworld, but the question is who. Also, via Google Translate, here is what was said:

      Mid season finale spoilers of the (lake scene)
      
      Our dear Jessie was yesterday in Burnaby and sent us some details of what he saw on set. First, she could see nothing being filmed, only managed to visualize the movement of staff and cast.
      
      - Fixed Cast recording: JMO with black clothes, hair and makeup of the Dark One and Ginny, Josh, Lana, Colin, Sean, Jared and Robert with Storybrooke clothes
      
      - Several people, it was possible to see about 10, wearing costumes of "death" as the Charon appearing in the lake at 5x02 (photo of the post)
      
      - A sort of female version of Rumple as Dark One, a woman with makeup and his characterization. Question could not be a man or even JMO, and she said that this woman came close and gave to see her well. The costume or both, the clothes looked black, but were covered by a coat that the cast usually use to protect themselves from the cold;
      
      - Gave to hear cries of Snow, but only the word "shame" (shame) was recognized, but not with total certainty.
      
      Soon, video
      
      After last night episode, I do not think those extras were dressed as reapers.... they will probably represent all of the previous Dark Ones. 

      Yeah, that makes sense.

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    • If all the previous Dark Ones returned from the underworld.... Hades is going to be mad

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    • But there still can't be more than one dark one alive at the same time, I mean, you can have both Emma and Rumple alive but not Dark Ones at the same time.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      If all the previous Dark Ones returned from the underworld.... Hades is going to be mad

      I magine if that freeing removing the Darkness from Emma made the DOs all come back to be it's collective vessels. Like a hydra, when you cut off one head, more sprout in it's place.

      But that mght not make much sense, but I'd love to see that happen. It would be overpowered because I don't know how you'd stop them....

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    • Do you think Hades has something to do with the Dark One curse?

      Could Hades be the first Dark One?

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Do you think Hades has something to do with the Dark One curse?

      Could Hades be the first Dark One?

      Well, no, he couldn't be. At all based on spoilers, lol. Plus, we know that Merlin made the DO curse, so Hades couldn't have nothing to do with it.

      Nimue is (99%) and if not, than it's a short person named Vortigan, that is now dead, anyway because that's how the curse moves on.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Do you think Hades has something to do with the Dark One curse?

      Could Hades be the first Dark One?

      Hades isn't really a villain. At least I hope they don't make him one once he appears. He is the most mercyful and friendly out of the three brothers (Zeus and Poseidon. If you keep away that Poseidon loves his daughter he was basically murdering people)

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Do you think Hades has something to do with the Dark One curse?

      Could Hades be the first Dark One?

      No.... Hades will probably just be the Lord of the Underworld.

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    • The dagger and the Excalibur are separate again in 5x11

      And Rumple seems to be the Dark One again, as he is in possession of the dagger

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      The dagger and the Excalibur are separate again in 5x11

      And Rumple seems to be the Dark One again, as he is in possession of the dagger

      From what source?

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      The dagger and the Excalibur are separate again in 5x11

      And Rumple seems to be the Dark One again, as he is in possession of the dagger

      From what source?

      Pictures from the filming

      Rumple is performing some sort of ritual with his blood using the dagger. 

      They are in the same place where Charon appeared in 5x02

      Regina is there, Snow is there, Charming, Robin, Emma and Henry too

      Hook is the only one missing O_____O

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      The dagger and the Excalibur are separate again in 5x11

      And Rumple seems to be the Dark One again, as he is in possession of the dagger

      From what source?

      Here

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      The dagger and the Excalibur are separate again in 5x11

      And Rumple seems to be the Dark One again, as he is in possession of the dagger

      From what source?

      Pictures from the filming

      Rumple is performing some sort of ritual with his blood using the dagger. 

      They are in the same place where Charon appeared in 5x02

      Regina is there, Snow is there, Charming, Robin, Emma and Henry too

      Hook is the only one missing O_____O

      We don't truly know what is going on. It might be a ritual, or a funeral. But it's still just a theory. I'm not saying it's happening or not happening. The point is we don't know EITHER WAY.

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    • It is probably a ritual that requires Gold's blood.

      If Emma is planning on opening a portal to the Underworld, it would not be surprising that it would require the blood of someone who has been there.

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    • So, Rumple must be the Dark One again? That's what I'm getting. I mean....he's back to confident Rumple, it seems and I doubt Merida's torment worked. Especially with the last episode spoiler pics.

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    • From the pics

      -Merida, Arthur and Guinevere are leaving through a portal. Arthur and Guinevere seem to be arrested

      -Rumple, Emma and the others performing a ritual using the dagger. Emma is wearing her red jacket. And rumple has the dagger and has no cane. So, it seems he is the Dark One again.

      -They are in the place where Charon came in 5x02

      -There are around 10 guys wearing black robes. In the pictures they are not filming so we don't know what are they going to do in the scene.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      From the pics

      -Merida, Arthur and Guinevere are leaving through a portal. Arthur and Guinevere seem to be arrested

      -Rumple, Emma and the others performing a ritual using the dagger. Emma is wearing her red jacket. And rumple has the dagger and has no cane. So, it seems he is the Dark One again.

      -They are in the place where Charon came in 5x02

      -There are around 10 guys wearing black robes. In the pictures they are not filming so we don't know what are they going to do in the scene.

      Lol, am I to believe that they never Re-fixed Gwen?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote: It is probably a ritual that requires Gold's blood.

      If Emma is planning on opening a portal to the Underworld, it would not be surprising that it would require the blood of someone who has been there.

      Just because we the dagger in Rumple's hand, doesn't mean he is actually going to cut himself. I don't know what he is doing, but he probably about to place the dagger somewhere.

      Those pictures that this Larry guy posted and said does not make it true. He was wrong about the photos and filming from season 4 and previous episodes of S5. He might not be right again. So we have to wait and see when the episode airs.

      If I were you (which I am not), I wouldn't trust a word a fan says until the episode airs.

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    • At this point I'm starting to think she is free from the spell but she chose to stay with Arthur

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      At this point I'm starting to think she is free from the spell but she chose to stay with Arthur

      And they arrest her? That wouldn;t make sense unless it's them toppling kingdoms and making Merida in charge.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      At this point I'm starting to think she is free from the spell but she chose to stay with Arthur
      And they arrest her? That wouldn;t make sense unless it's them toppling kingdoms and making Merida in charge.

      I meant she was freed from the spell at some point between 5x04 and the Camelot flashbacks.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote: It is probably a ritual that requires Gold's blood.

      If Emma is planning on opening a portal to the Underworld, it would not be surprising that it would require the blood of someone who has been there.

      Just because we the dagger in Rumple's hand, doesn't mean he is actually going to cut himself. I don't know what he is doing, but he probably about to place the dagger somewhere.

      Those pictures that this Larry guy posted and said does not make it true. He was wrong about the photos and filming from season 4 and previous episodes of S5. He might not be right again. So we have to wait and see when the episode airs.

      If I were you (which I am not), I wouldn't trust a word a fan says until the episode airs.

      Well, he may be inturpiting things wrong, but the pictures themselves give us something to work off of. And no one is saying they are 100% sure this is what is going on, it is all speculation. And speculation about Once is usually at least somewhat correct. You don't know the amount of things that have been correctly predicted on these forums. XD

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Those pictures that this Larry guy posted and said does not make it true. He was wrong about the photos and filming from season 4 and previous episodes of S5. He might not be right again. So we have to wait and see when the episode airs.

      He has been right about a lot of stuff. 

      For instance, he was right about the S4 finale being an alternate universe with the roles reversed.

      If you follow the sequence of pictures, it does seem like he is cutting the palm of his hand

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Well, he may be inturpiting things wrong, but the pictures themselves give us something to work off of. And no one is saying they are 100% sure this is what is going on, it is all speculation. And speculation about Once is usually at least somewhat correct. You don't know the amount of things that have been correctly predicted on these forums. XD

      Lol.... I have lost count of the amount of times, fans here predicted future storylines.

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Those pictures that this Larry guy posted and said does not make it true. He was wrong about the photos and filming from season 4 and previous episodes of S5. He might not be right again. So we have to wait and see when the episode airs.

      He has been right about a lot of stuff. 

      For instance, he was right about the S4 finale being an alternate universe with the roles reversed.

      If you follow the sequence of pictures, it does seem like he is cutting the palm of his hand

      I have been following the sequence, either way, we don't truly know what happened. That is why I am waiting for the show to air. Those things like the AU are only a few corrections.

      Though Larry did say that it is just a speculation for ep 11. Obviously pointing out that he might be right or wrong.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      8Rob wrote:


      NickyHelp wrote:

      Those pictures that this Larry guy posted and said does not make it true. He was wrong about the photos and filming from season 4 and previous episodes of S5. He might not be right again. So we have to wait and see when the episode airs.

      He has been right about a lot of stuff. 

      For instance, he was right about the S4 finale being an alternate universe with the roles reversed.

      If you follow the sequence of pictures, it does seem like he is cutting the palm of his hand

      I have been following the sequence, either way, we don't truly know what happened. That is why I am waiting for the show to air.

      Those things like the AU are only a few corrections.

      Though Larry did say that it is just a speculation for ep 11. Obviously pointing out that he might be right or wrong.

      Well, we know that. Pointing out the possibility he's right or wrong is pointless. Now, casting his news aside or using it for predictions is another matter.

      He said that we'd get something from Greek mythology in 5x02 when they were filming and he clearly can't see CGi which comes later, so he was right on that. He's not always right, but the spectators generally have a reliable stream of information.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      8Rob wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Those pictures that this Larry guy posted and said does not make it true. He was wrong about the photos and filming from season 4 and previous episodes of S5. He might not be right again. So we have to wait and see when the episode airs.

      He has been right about a lot of stuff. 

      For instance, he was right about the S4 finale being an alternate universe with the roles reversed.

      If you follow the sequence of pictures, it does seem like he is cutting the palm of his hand

      I have been following the sequence, either way, we don't truly know what happened. That is why I am waiting for the show to air.

      Those things like the AU are only a few corrections.

      Though Larry did say that it is just a speculation for ep 11. Obviously pointing out that he might be right or wrong.

      Psst, a little fact for you: We know that. Pointing out the possibility he's right or wrong is pointless. Now, casting his news aside or using it for predictions is another matter.

      I got that.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      8Rob wrote:


      NickyHelp wrote:

      Those pictures that this Larry guy posted and said does not make it true. He was wrong about the photos and filming from season 4 and previous episodes of S5. He might not be right again. So we have to wait and see when the episode airs.

      He has been right about a lot of stuff. 

      For instance, he was right about the S4 finale being an alternate universe with the roles reversed.

      If you follow the sequence of pictures, it does seem like he is cutting the palm of his hand

      I have been following the sequence, either way, we don't truly know what happened. That is why I am waiting for the show to air.

      Those things like the AU are only a few corrections.

      Though Larry did say that it is just a speculation for ep 11. Obviously pointing out that he might be right or wrong.

      Psst, a little fact for you: We know that. Pointing out the possibility he's right or wrong is pointless. Now, casting his news aside or using it for predictions is another matter.
      I got that.

      Lol, reedited my post right as you responded. A bit less aggressive and with more info, like the Fury prediction.

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    • Eskaver, what did you mean by saying "A bit less aggressive and with more info, like the Fury prediction." I didn't follow. If it is about Larry being correct with the fury incident, he wasn't correct about it being it during daylight. It was set at nightfall.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      Eskaver, what did you mean by saying "A bit less aggressive and with more info, like the Fury prediction." I didn't follow. If it is about Larry being correct with the fury incident, he wasn't correct about it being it during daylight. It was set at nightfall.

      Oh, I thought I seemed a bit harsh with my wording.

      Larry wasn;t always right, but he and others have some knowledge that we can theorize on and it's not fun to just wait and see when we can discuss and try to predict. This season especially has been very hard to predict.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      Eskaver, what did you mean by saying "A bit less aggressive and with more info, like the Fury prediction." I didn't follow. If it is about Larry being correct with the fury incident, he wasn't correct about it being it during daylight. It was set at nightfall.

      Oh, I thought I seemed a bit harsh with my wording.

      Larry wasn;t always right, but he and others have some knowledge that we can theorize on and it's not fun to just wait and see when we can discuss and try to predict. This season especially has been very hard to predict.

      I'll tell what makes Larry not completely right. He just said and I quote: "Also, even if it is true and Hook "dies"; they are going to bring him back so he's not gone for good." What he said about that "they are going to bring him back", was fan talk, not studio or producer talk. It was just a theory as well. I am not saying it won't happen, but he sounded to over confident and went too far on what he said.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:
      Eskaver, what did you mean by saying "A bit less aggressive and with more info, like the Fury prediction." I didn't follow. If it is about Larry being correct with the fury incident, he wasn't correct about it being it during daylight. It was set at nightfall.
      Oh, I thought I seemed a bit harsh with my wording.

      Larry wasn;t always right, but he and others have some knowledge that we can theorize on and it's not fun to just wait and see when we can discuss and try to predict. This season especially has been very hard to predict.

      I'll tell what makes Larry not completely right. He just said and I quote: "Also, even if it is true and Hook "dies"; they are going to bring him back so he's not gone for good." What he said about that "they are going to bring him back", was fan talk, not studio or producer talk. It was just a theory as well. I am not saying it won't happen, but he sounded to over confident and went too far on what he said.

      If anything the studio and producers have made it abundantly clear that Hook is not going anywhere, being the love interest of the main character (Emma). I don't need anyone to tell me that, and you shouldn't either. In fact, besides Emma and Regina, I think Hook is the most likely character to not die permantently.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      I'll tell what makes Larry not completely right. He just said and I quote: "Also, even if it is true and Hook "dies"; they are going to bring him back so he's not gone for good." What he said about that "they are going to bring him back", was fan talk, not studio or producer talk. It was just a theory as well. I am not saying it won't happen, but he sounded to over confident and went too far on what he said.

      That Larry guy sounded confident, because he is a paparazzo who stalks the OUaT set. The actors hate him, because he is a rude person. He also talks to security and other low-ranking members of the crew. He makes money off the pictures, and spoiler tip-offs.

      Besides, like @CoolDudeAl said.... I do not need someone else to tell me, that Hook is not staying "dead" permanently. Everyone involved with the show loves, both the character and Colin O'Donoghue. It would be disastrous, from a marketing perspective, to kill Hook.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      I'll tell what makes Larry not completely right. He just said and I quote: "Also, even if it is true and Hook "dies"; they are going to bring him back so he's not gone for good." What he said about that "they are going to bring him back", was fan talk, not studio or producer talk. It was just a theory as well. I am not saying it won't happen, but he sounded to over confident and went too far on what he said.

      That Larry guy sounded confident, because he is a paparazzo who stalks the OUaT set. The actors hate him, because he is a rude person. He also talks to security and other low-ranking members of the crew. He makes money off the pictures, and spoiler tip-offs.

      Besides, like @CoolDudeAl said.... I do not need someone else to tell me, that Hook is staying "dead" permanently. Everyone involved with the show loves, both the character and Colin O'Donoghue. It would be disastrous, from a marketing perspective, to kill Hook.

      I never said he is staying dead. I am just saying he shouldn't be over-confident and that he probably has no clue what might happen. That is why for what I don't know, I wait and see before I conclude what it is.

      Besides, we know that he is booted for a movie, and it might be a reason. I not confirming. But still, we don't know what goes on.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      I never said he is staying dead. I am just saying he shouldn't be over-confident and that he probably has no clue what might happen. That is why for what I don't know, I wait and see before I conclude what it is.

      Besides, we know that he is booted for a movie, and it might be a reason. I not confirming. But still, we don't know what goes on.

      What part of Larry being a paparazzo, escapes your comprehension? The paparazzi bribe people for insider information.

      Everyone is well aware that Colin is doing a film, during his winter break. From what I understand, he only has a small role. While his character has a significant impact in the lead's life, it is still small role in regards to the story.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      I never said he is staying dead. I am just saying he shouldn't be over-confident and that he probably has no clue what might happen. That is why for what I don't know, I wait and see before I conclude what it is.

      Besides, we know that he is booted for a movie, and it might be a reason. I not confirming. But still, we don't know what goes on.

      What part of Larry being a paparazzo, escapes your comprehension? The paparazzi bribe people for insider information.

      Everyone is well aware that Colin is doing a film, during his winter break. From what I understand, he only has a small role. While his character has a significant impact in the lead's life, it is still small role in regards to the story.

      I am well aware of paparazzo means and how Larry is paparazzo. Which also makes him a criminal for that. No matter if he bribed people, he is still just giving theories and is not always right.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:

      I'll tell what makes Larry not completely right. He just said and I quote: "Also, even if it is true and Hook "dies"; they are going to bring him back so he's not gone for good." What he said about that "they are going to bring him back", was fan talk, not studio or producer talk. It was just a theory as well. I am not saying it won't happen, but he sounded to over confident and went too far on what he said.

      That Larry guy sounded confident, because he is a paparazzo who stalks the OUaT set. The actors hate him, because he is a rude person. He also talks to security and other low-ranking members of the crew. He makes money off the pictures, and spoiler tip-offs.

      Besides, like @CoolDudeAl said.... I do not need someone else to tell me, that Hook is staying "dead" permanently. Everyone involved with the show loves, both the character and Colin O'Donoghue. It would be disastrous, from a marketing perspective, to kill Hook.

      How do we know the actors hate him? They take an awful lot of pictures with him, something you would thing they would avoid if they didn't like him.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:

      I'll tell what makes Larry not completely right. He just said and I quote: "Also, even if it is true and Hook "dies"; they are going to bring him back so he's not gone for good." What he said about that "they are going to bring him back", was fan talk, not studio or producer talk. It was just a theory as well. I am not saying it won't happen, but he sounded to over confident and went too far on what he said.

      That Larry guy sounded confident, because he is a paparazzo who stalks the OUaT set. The actors hate him, because he is a rude person. He also talks to security and other low-ranking members of the crew. He makes money off the pictures, and spoiler tip-offs.

      Besides, like @CoolDudeAl said.... I do not need someone else to tell me, that Hook is staying "dead" permanently. Everyone involved with the show loves, both the character and Colin O'Donoghue. It would be disastrous, from a marketing perspective, to kill Hook.

      How do we know the actors hate him? They take an awful lot of pictures with him, something you would thing they would avoid if they didn't like him.

      The actors generally don't turn down someone when they're approaching a group of fans watching filming. I imagine they just suck it up and take pics with everyone who asks lol, but some of them might have said no in the past! There have been multiple other fans that repeatedly visit set who have reported bad experiences with that guy, especially in regards to Jen and Sean.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      I am well aware of paparazzo means and how Larry is paparazzo. Which also makes him a criminal for that. No matter if he bribed people, he is still just giving theories and is not always right.

      Oh god... Stop it!

      We don't care if you don't like the guy

      That's irrelevant for this thread

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      I am well aware of paparazzo means and how Larry is paparazzo. Which also makes him a criminal for that. No matter if he bribed people, he is still just giving theories and is not always right.

      Oh god... Stop it!

      We don't care if you don't like the guy

      That's irrelevant for this thread

      I didn't say I didn't like Larry. ChocolatEyes613 said something about him, and I was just following along and translating what ChocolateEyes613 might have said about Larry. You read and assumed wrong on what I said.

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    • Let's get back on topic, guys!

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    • YESS!!!

      http://storybrookemirror.tumblr.com/post/132068609166/killjoy-ce-ouat-in-steveston-with-jmo-josh

      Dark Swan lives. They can't just drop everything from season 5A.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      YESS!!!

      http://storybrookemirror.tumblr.com/post/132068609166/killjoy-ce-ouat-in-steveston-with-jmo-josh

      Dark Swan lives. They can't just drop everything from season 5A.

      Hate to break it to you, but episodes are not filmed in order. That scene is probably earlier in the epside.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      YESS!!!

      http://storybrookemirror.tumblr.com/post/132068609166/killjoy-ce-ouat-in-steveston-with-jmo-josh

      Dark Swan lives. They can't just drop everything from season 5A.

      Hate to break it to you, but episodes are not filmed in order. That scene is probably earlier in the epside.

      There is no "probably". It's just speculation. Maybe there are 2 different stories?

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    • We don't know whether this is before or after. It could be the cast that it's for another episode, earlier part or middle part or later part (Notice, Hook is missing still).

      That scene with Emma and Rumple could be some weird quasi-flashback, or not.

      There is always a probably with speculation because there's not certain confirmation until the episode airs.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      YESS!!!

      http://storybrookemirror.tumblr.com/post/132068609166/killjoy-ce-ouat-in-steveston-with-jmo-josh

      Dark Swan lives. They can't just drop everything from season 5A.


      *crosses fingers*

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      We don't know whether this is before or after. It could be the cast that it's for another episode, earlier part or middle part or later part (Notice, Hook is missing still).

      Gold is missing too.... he and Hook are probably still dueling each other.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      We don't know whether this is before or after. It could be the cast that it's for another episode, earlier part or middle part or later part (Notice, Hook is missing still).

      Gold is missing too.... he and Hook are probably still dueling each other.

      Or Maybe Gold is having moments with Belle.

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    • First images of the female Dark One in storybrooke. She seems to be wearing the same cape as "Vortigan" in Dreamcatcher. She looks like Caroline Ford, the actress that is possibly going to be Nimue in the 7th episode.

      http://tinyurl.com/q3ycghu

      http://tinyurl.com/naj6qlw

      http://tinyurl.com/q87ffp9

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    • Interesting development.

      I wonder what is going on! Plus, Nyx needs a call about people stealing her style.

      I'm ok with Nimue so far and it is for sure that Vortigan doesn't exist, but whh........why does every female Dark One have to wear a bun!!!!!!!!

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    • Please let it not be one of those weird switcharoos, with the first Dark One being disguised as Merlin the whole time.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Interesting development.

      I wonder what is going on! Plus, Nyx needs a call about people stealing her style.

      I'm ok with Nimue so far and it is for sure that Vortigan doesn't exist, but whh........why does every female Dark One have to wear a bun!!!!!!!!

      Maybe she is suppose to be this "Distinguished Gentleman" villain we were informed about for 5B. I mean she might be appearing in the end and that is where the second arc begins.

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    • Emma and Nimue together: http://tinyurl.com/qbdd3gn

      Can there be two Dark Ones at the same time in storybrooke???

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    • What if they somehow "Divide" the darkness.  Swan has some, Nimue has some, maybe some goes back to Rumple? Maybe the problem is not that there is darkness in the realms, but that Merlin (and possibly Nimue?) tried to gather it all together in one spot to destroy it.  So the darkness can not be destroyed, but it can be spread back out, and the larger pools will still need to be somewhat controlled, but will be controllable in smaller quantities.

      But it takes a fully reforged Excalibur to split the darkness, and with the darkness split, maybe excalibur is destroyed. (just another wild theory)

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    • LinusHikaru wrote:
      First images of the female Dark One in storybrooke. She seems to be wearing the same cape as "Vortigan" in Dreamcatcher. She looks like Caroline Ford, the actress that is possibly going to be Nimue in the 7th episode.

      http://tinyurl.com/q3ycghu

      http://tinyurl.com/naj6qlw

      http://tinyurl.com/q87ffp9

      So wait how come Nimue wears a Black Cloak but Dark Swan dosen't?

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    • A black cloak is so Medeival. Emma dresses in a more modern tone, indicitive of the current era haute-coiture.

      Seriously, I wouldn't spend too much time considering variety in the DO outfits. Now, when Emma shows up in her trademark red jacket, then we can wake up and take notice.

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    • The Dark Ones need to stop using the same stylist. XD

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    • They reminded me of the Death Eaters

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    • I'm scared asf for Belle now since her father's returning for this episode and its pretty much guaranteed someones dying D:

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    • QueenOfHearts2 wrote:
      I'm scared asf for Belle now since her father's returning for this episode and its pretty much guaranteed someones dying D:

      Waht? Why can't Belle talk to her father? I mean she has to talk to him eventually.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      QueenOfHearts2 wrote:
      I'm scared asf for Belle now since her father's returning for this episode and its pretty much guaranteed someones dying D:
      Waht? Why can't Belle talk to her father? I mean she has to talk to him eventually.

      Idc when Belle speaks to her father lmao, she has all season to do it but she chooses the episode where its guaranteed someone dies in :(

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    • What? Belle's father is returning?

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      What? Belle's father is returning?

      Yep, there's a scene from 10/28 where it looks like she says goodbye to her father and then drives off in a car. I wonder where she went, since it looks like the 10/28 scenes come before the late-night park/water scenes (w/ regular Emma) from the shoots earlier this week - Belle was the only main character missing then, I think. Odd.

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    • From filming reports:

      -Nimue's skin seems to be green/silver

      -They are all reunited in Storybrooke main street (Dark Swan included)

      -Zelena is there too. No baby bump 

      -Hook and Belle are missing

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    • 8Rob wrote: From filming reports:

      -Nimue's skin seems to be green/silver

      -They are all reunited in Storybrooke main street (Dark Swan included)

      -Zelena is there too. No baby bump 

      -Hook and Belle are missing

      When did they film this?

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      -Zelena is there too. No baby bump 

      I really hope they don't have her miscarry. It'd make her sympathetic, but I think it'd be such a cop out.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      When did they film this?

      October 28

      Here are all the pics:

      Zelena looks amazing

      https://www.flickr.com/photos/110865913@N05/albums/72157660154962190/page2

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    • Why are they all looking at their hands?

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      Why are they all looking at their hands?

      Someone said that: "Nimue walked past them and left a mark on their wrists".

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    • LinusHikaru wrote:
      Gusey1397 wrote:
      Why are they all looking at their hands?
      Someone said that: "Nimue walked past them and left a mark on their wrists".

      Creepy.... does that mean that everyone is marked for death? The last time OUaT marked anyone, was in 2.01 with the wraith.

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    • There was an episode of 'Merlin' called "The Mark of Nimue" and it's a while since I watched season 1, but I think it involved her casting a plague on Camelot. Not saying they'll copy that, just brought it to mind.

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    • P3nathan wrote:
      There was an episode of 'Merlin' called "The Mark of Nimue" and it's a while since I watched season 1, but I think it involved her casting a plague on Camelot. Not saying they'll copy that, just brought it to mind.

      Hmmmm.... very interesting. 

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    • P3nathan wrote:
       but I think it involved her casting a plague on Camelot.

      According to some rumors, Nimue crushes Merlin's heart to cast the Dark Curse using Emma as her puppet

      You may be correct 

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      According to some rumors, Nimue crushes Merlin's heart to cast the Dark Curse using Emma as her puppet

      Those rumors are very probable, due to Merlin not being in Storybrooke, as far as anyone knows. Also, Dopey turned into a tree, when he crossed the town line. Which would mean that the Big Bad of 5.A, is the Darkness.... and neither Emma, nor Arthur.

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    • It's kinda lame if the Dark Swan turns out to be nothing but a puppet

      But that would explain why they went so far with Emma and Henry in 5x05: Henry will forgive Emma when he learns she is being mind controlled

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      It's kinda lame if the Dark Swan turns out to be nothing but a puppet

      But that would explain why they went so far with Emma and Henry in 5x05: Henry will forgive Emma when he learns she is being mind controlled

      Well, Henry should grow up and realize:

      1) She did it for the greater good  (to free Merlin)

      2) Clearly she fixed that issue and Violet likes him

      3) It was never going to work out.

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    • When will we ever see Dopey change back?

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      When will we ever see Dopey change back?

      Never.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      It's kinda lame if the Dark Swan turns out to be nothing but a puppet

      I would not call the Dark Swan a puppet, per se.

      It almost seems like there is a chess match going on in Emma's head, between her and the Darkness. Both entities probably have their own agenda, that they are keeping secret from the other. The Darkness wants to snuff out the Light, while Emma probably wants to snuff out the Darkness. 

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    • My one complaint: Why do evil Dark One women have to wear buns! I hate, hate, hate that! I can get if Emma does it, but why Nimue too?!!!!!!!

      At least change the style of bun. I'll take Princess Leia buns for Nimue and I haven't even watched Star Wars.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      When will we ever see Dopey change back?

      Probably by the end of season 5, if not sooner.

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    • Eskaver wrote: My one complaint: Why do evil Dark One women have to wear buns! I hate, hate, hate that! I can get if Emma does it, but why Nimue too?!!!!!!!

      At least change the style of bun. I'll take Princess Leia buns for Nimue and I haven't even watched Star Wars.

      Regina had buns too. They're easier to do dirty work in.

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: My one complaint: Why do evil Dark One women have to wear buns! I hate, hate, hate that! I can get if Emma does it, but why Nimue too?!!!!!!!

      At least change the style of bun. I'll take Princess Leia buns for Nimue and I haven't even watched Star Wars.

      Regina had buns too. They're easier to do dirty work in.

      Regina had a bajillion hairstyles and she rarely had buns when she actually did her dirty work. She went out in whatever hairstyle she pleased.

      I'm okay with Emma and a bunas it looks more conservative (like her having walls and such), but Nimue has no reason to have the same typre of bun, too.

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    • So it's safe to say the people in the black cloaks were all the Dark Ones, based on what we saw in 507. Still wondering how this all ties together with Greek Myth/Underworld stuff.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      So it's safe to say the people in the black cloaks were all the Dark Ones, based on what we saw in 507. Still wondering how this all ties together with Greek Myth/Underworld stuff.

      My theory is that the DOs, particularly Nimue starts the Underworld plot but remains the Villain behind the scenes and is the overarching Villain for at least the remaining of the season.

      It would be nice to have overflowing villains, like Rumple and Zelena. Once gets rid of some of them too soon.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      So it's safe to say the people in the black cloaks were all the Dark Ones, based on what we saw in 507. Still wondering how this all ties together with Greek Myth/Underworld stuff.

      My theory is that the DOs, particularly Nimue starts the Underworld plot but remains the Villain behind the scenes and is the overarching Villain for at least the remaining of the season.

      It would be nice to have overflowing villains, like Rumple and Zelena. Once gets rid of some of them too soon.

      Yeah, I think I read that we may have not seen the last of Nimue after that episode. Maybe she and the other dark ones are the reason why the town looked damaged in ep 12.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Yeah, I think I read that we may have not seen the last of Nimue after that episode. Maybe she and the other dark ones are the reason why the town looked damaged in ep 12.

      It is possible that is not even Storybrooke, but a seperate realm.

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    • The title of a piece of music Mark Isham composed, for this episode.

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    • My god...

      We are 2 episodes away from another hiatus

      I just realized that

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      My god...

      We are 2 episodes away from another hiatus

      I just realized that

      Worst of all.... the midseason finale is going to, probably, end with one hell of a cliffhanger.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      My god...

      We are 2 episodes away from another hiatus

      I just realized that

      Worst of all.... the midseason finale is going to, probably, end with one hell of a cliffhanger.

      And even worst.....it's the hiatus! Another three months without Once! This is when I wish we had those Once spinoffs.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      My god...

      We are 2 episodes away from another hiatus

      I just realized that

      Worst of all.... the midseason finale is going to, probably, end with one hell of a cliffhanger.
      And even worst.....it's the hiatus! Another three months without Once! This is when I wish we had those Once spinoffs.

      On the bright side, we will get a lot of spoilers from filming.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      My god...

      We are 2 episodes away from another hiatus

      I just realized that

      Worst of all.... the midseason finale is going to, probably, end with one hell of a cliffhanger.
      And even worst.....it's the hiatus! Another three months without Once! This is when I wish we had those Once spinoffs.
      On the bright side, we will get a lot of spoilers from filming.

      And at least I won't be as confusing, I suppose.

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    • It was told that in the midseason, Regina has a deep dark secret and shares it with another major character (maybe either Snow or Robin).

      http://tvline.com/2015/11/22/castle-season-8-fall-finale-spoilers-rick-kate/

      Why do I have the feeling it would sound like 4B or something (but this time Regina may turn out to be responsible).

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      It was told that in the midseason, Regina has a deep dark secret and shares it with another major character (maybe either Snow or Robin).

      http://tvline.com/2015/11/22/castle-season-8-fall-finale-spoilers-rick-kate/

      Why do I have the feeling it would sound like 4B or something (but this time Regina may turn out to be responsible).

      Well, if it's in flashback, then it's with Hook. Since Regina and Hook have an adventure...I mean flashback episode.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Well, if it's in flashback, then it's with Hook. Since Regina and Hook have an adventure...I mean flashback episode.

      Agree, Regina is going to share this secret with Hook. Hmmmm.... I wonder if they know, how to open the door to the Underworld?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Well, if it's in flashback, then it's with Hook. Since Regina and Hook have an adventure...I mean flashback episode.

      Agree, Regina is going to share this secret with Hook. Hmmmm.... I wonder if they know, how to open the door to the Underworld?

      I don't know, but I'm sure that's not this episode. Just Dark shenanigans and ending with a Swan song....of death and maybe a glimpse at the next arc, but I doubt we'll see anymore than that.

      If they are doing some powerful magic, I'm thinking that it leads to the Swan song as the ending and if a portal is opened then it is prompty closed, unless some big bad comes marching through.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Well, if it's in flashback, then it's with Hook. Since Regina and Hook have an adventure...I mean flashback episode.

      Agree, Regina is going to share this secret with Hook. Hmmmm.... I wonder if they know, how to open the door to the Underworld?

      I thought the flashback adventure of Regina and Hook is in episode 10. Not 11, remember?

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Well, if it's in flashback, then it's with Hook. Since Regina and Hook have an adventure...I mean flashback episode.

      Agree, Regina is going to share this secret with Hook. Hmmmm.... I wonder if they know, how to open the door to the Underworld?
      I thought the flashback adventure of Regina and Hook is in episode 10. Not 11, remember?

      It's 11. I'm pretty sure of it. Adam Crosdell and all the other spoilers says it was happening during the 5x11 filming.

      5x10 via the press release is the ending of the Camelot flashbacks and then it's present-day.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Well, if it's in flashback, then it's with Hook. Since Regina and Hook have an adventure...I mean flashback episode.

      Agree, Regina is going to share this secret with Hook. Hmmmm.... I wonder if they know, how to open the door to the Underworld?
      I thought the flashback adventure of Regina and Hook is in episode 10. Not 11, remember?

      It's 11. I'm pretty sure of it. Adam Crosdell and all the other spoilers says it was happening during the 5x11 filming.

      5x10 via the press release is the ending of the Camelot flashbacks and then it's present-day.

      But I thought they said that the bts of episode 10 has the flashback. I haven't found anything for that in ep 11. They said the flashback of ep 11 would be about Hook's father.

      Also episode 10 could have more then one flashback. You remember in ep 5 Dreamcatcher? We had a flashback of Merlin against the darkone within the flashback of Camelot (as revealed when Emma was watching).

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:


      Eskaver wrote:

      Well, if it's in flashback, then it's with Hook. Since Regina and Hook have an adventure...I mean flashback episode.

      Agree, Regina is going to share this secret with Hook. Hmmmm.... I wonder if they know, how to open the door to the Underworld?
      I thought the flashback adventure of Regina and Hook is in episode 10. Not 11, remember?
      It's 11. I'm pretty sure of it. Adam Crosdell and all the other spoilers says it was happening during the 5x11 filming.

      5x10 via the press release is the ending of the Camelot flashbacks and then it's present-day.

      But I thought they said that the bts of episode 10 has the flashback. I haven't found anything for that in ep 11. They said the flashback of ep 11 would be about Hook's father.

      Also episode 10 could have more then one flashback. You remember in ep 5 Dreamcatcher? We had a flashback of Merlin against the darkone within the flashback of Camelot (as revealed when Emma was watching).

      The filming schedule suggest that tit isn't. The press release says that it's not. The actors says that it's not. It's in 5x11, the midseason finale.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:


      Eskaver wrote:

      Well, if it's in flashback, then it's with Hook. Since Regina and Hook have an adventure...I mean flashback episode.

      Agree, Regina is going to share this secret with Hook. Hmmmm.... I wonder if they know, how to open the door to the Underworld?
      I thought the flashback adventure of Regina and Hook is in episode 10. Not 11, remember?
      It's 11. I'm pretty sure of it. Adam Crosdell and all the other spoilers says it was happening during the 5x11 filming.

      5x10 via the press release is the ending of the Camelot flashbacks and then it's present-day.

      But I thought they said that the bts of episode 10 has the flashback. I haven't found anything for that in ep 11. They said the flashback of ep 11 would be about Hook's father.

      Also episode 10 could have more then one flashback. You remember in ep 5 Dreamcatcher? We had a flashback of Merlin against the darkone within the flashback of Camelot (as revealed when Emma was watching).

      The filming schedule suggest that tit isn't. The press release says that it's not. The actors says that it's not. It's in 5x11, the midseason finale.

      So there were change of plans right?

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:


      NickyHelp wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:


      Eskaver wrote:

      Well, if it's in flashback, then it's with Hook. Since Regina and Hook have an adventure...I mean flashback episode.

      Agree, Regina is going to share this secret with Hook. Hmmmm.... I wonder if they know, how to open the door to the Underworld?
      I thought the flashback adventure of Regina and Hook is in episode 10. Not 11, remember?
      It's 11. I'm pretty sure of it. Adam Crosdell and all the other spoilers says it was happening during the 5x11 filming.

      5x10 via the press release is the ending of the Camelot flashbacks and then it's present-day.

      But I thought they said that the bts of episode 10 has the flashback. I haven't found anything for that in ep 11. They said the flashback of ep 11 would be about Hook's father.

      Also episode 10 could have more then one flashback. You remember in ep 5 Dreamcatcher? We had a flashback of Merlin against the darkone within the flashback of Camelot (as revealed when Emma was watching).

      The filming schedule suggest that tit isn't. The press release says that it's not. The actors says that it's not. It's in 5x11, the midseason finale.
      So there were change of plans right?

      My dear, the actors have scripts with the number and titles. The press release is written by some ABC offical and they are never wrong, because it's not like they don't with the show producers.

      It has always been the case and it will never change.

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    • NickyHelp wrote: So there were change of plans right?

      No plans were changed.... Broken Heart is the final Camelot flashback. While, Swan Song is when we will meet Papa Hook. It is not that difficult to follow.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:


      NickyHelp wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:


      Eskaver wrote:

      Well, if it's in flashback, then it's with Hook. Since Regina and Hook have an adventure...I mean flashback episode.

      Agree, Regina is going to share this secret with Hook. Hmmmm.... I wonder if they know, how to open the door to the Underworld?
      I thought the flashback adventure of Regina and Hook is in episode 10. Not 11, remember?
      It's 11. I'm pretty sure of it. Adam Crosdell and all the other spoilers says it was happening during the 5x11 filming.

      5x10 via the press release is the ending of the Camelot flashbacks and then it's present-day.

      But I thought they said that the bts of episode 10 has the flashback. I haven't found anything for that in ep 11. They said the flashback of ep 11 would be about Hook's father.

      Also episode 10 could have more then one flashback. You remember in ep 5 Dreamcatcher? We had a flashback of Merlin against the darkone within the flashback of Camelot (as revealed when Emma was watching).

      The filming schedule suggest that tit isn't. The press release says that it's not. The actors says that it's not. It's in 5x11, the midseason finale.
      So there were change of plans right?

      No, the episode's flashbacks always had Regina and Hook, as well as Hook's father. It could be we are following Hook in the past, first we see him as a child with his father, and then later we see him with Regina. No different than how we saw Arthur and Gwen in 504 at various ages.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Now that would make sense. I mean it.

      NickyHelp wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:


      Eskaver wrote:

      Well, if it's in flashback, then it's with Hook. Since Regina and Hook have an adventure...I mean flashback episode.

      Agree, Regina is going to share this secret with Hook. Hmmmm.... I wonder if they know, how to open the door to the Underworld?
      I thought the flashback adventure of Regina and Hook is in episode 10. Not 11, remember?
      It's 11. I'm pretty sure of it. Adam Crosdell and all the other spoilers says it was happening during the 5x11 filming.

      5x10 via the press release is the ending of the Camelot flashbacks and then it's present-day.

      But I thought they said that the bts of episode 10 has the flashback. I haven't found anything for that in ep 11. They said the flashback of ep 11 would be about Hook's father.

      Also episode 10 could have more then one flashback. You remember in ep 5 Dreamcatcher? We had a flashback of Merlin against the darkone within the flashback of Camelot (as revealed when Emma was watching).

      The filming schedule suggest that tit isn't. The press release says that it's not. The actors says that it's not. It's in 5x11, the midseason finale.
      So there were change of plans right?

      No, the episode's flashbacks always had Regina and Hook, as well as Hook's father. It could be we are following Hook in the past, first we see him as a child with his father, and then later we see him with Regina. No different than how we saw Arthur and Gwen in 504 at various ages.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      No, the episode's flashbacks always had Regina and Hook, as well as Hook's father. It could be we are following Hook in the past, first we see him as a child with his father, and then later we see him with Regina. No different than how we saw Arthur and Gwen in 504 at various ages.

      We should probably add, Hook being stuck with his father in the Underworld, as the cliffhanger.... lol. I love how excited Adam Croasdell, is to be portraying Papa Hook.

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    • Who do you think hook father is?

      I think he is Lily's father

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    • Well, now we know why Gold will be slitting his wrist.... his blood is needed to open the portal to the Underworld.

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    • I'm excited for this episode, if only because we get normal Emma back, and get a non-Camelot related flashback. XD

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm excited for this episode, if only because we get normal Emma back, and get a non-Camelot related flashback. XD

      Yeah.... but I miss Merlin, though. Perhaps, we will see him "living" in the Underworld with Nimue, later in the season?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm excited for this episode, if only because we get normal Emma back, and get a non-Camelot related flashback. XD
      Yeah.... but I miss Merlin, though. Perhaps, we will see him "living" in the Underworld with Nimue, later in the season?

      both of them are POC so I wouldn't count on that...

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    • Now I'm thinking Emma will kill Hook...!

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Now I'm thinking Emma will kill Hook...!

      I was actually thinking the exact opposite and this leading to 5B where the gang has to save Emma from the Underworld...

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: Now I'm thinking Emma will kill Hook...!

      What gave that away? 

      It has been implied since 5.02, that Hook would be the sacrifice needed to destroy the Darkness. As long as he is fully conscious and in control of himself, I will be fine with it. No one deserves, to be put down like a rabid animal. Especially, since he wanted to die in peace, back in Camelot.

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    • Three hopes:

      - Tons of Dark One goodness. Some names, some magic, some worldbuilding. And as Always Nimue!

      - DOs sticking around for at least the remaining season as the Big Bad while they seek a way to save Hook (assuming he dies)

      - The flashback being short. I really could care less about Hok and Regina's adventure if we could see more DOs and stuff. I am excited for it, but the flashback consumes like 40 percent of the episode and I fear they will chop all the DO stuff in exactly five minutes or less.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      - The flashback being short. I really could care less about Hok and Regina's adventure if we could see more DOs and stuff. I am excited for it, but the flashback consumes like 40 percent of the episode and I fear they will chop all the DO stuff in exactly five minutes or less.

      There is a piece of music titled, The Sacrifice that is 5:30 minutes long. From set reports and pictures, there will also be.... a good bye to the Camelot crew and Merida, the Dark Ones marking everyone in town, Belle and her father, and Emma and Gold reopening the portal to the Underworld.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      - The flashback being short. I really could care less about Hok and Regina's adventure if we could see more DOs and stuff. I am excited for it, but the flashback consumes like 40 percent of the episode and I fear they will chop all the DO stuff in exactly five minutes or less.

      There is a piece of music titled, The Sacrifice that is 5:30 minutes long. From set reports and pictures, there will also be.... a good bye to the Camelot crew and Merida, the Dark Ones marking everyone in town, Belle and her father, and Emma and Gold reopening the portal to the Underworld.

      I know. Reeally wishing we had an extra episode that wasn't about BEARS and Ronald McDonald clones.

      So far we have segmented chunks:

      - Sacrifice (Which hopefully puts half of the following things into a montage)

      - Goodbyes to the characters who've planned no role in the latter half and to Belle's issues

      - Emma and Gold time

      - Dark One trouble

      - The random discussion of Magical macguffin/ Plot device (They really have made me stop caring about their magicbuilding because it feels like they pull things out of a random word generator)

      - Hook angst

      - Cliffhanger

      And that's at least half of the episode

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      - The random discussion of Magical macguffin/ Plot device (They really have made me stop caring about their magicbuilding because it feels like they pull things out of a random word generator)

      I think the only magical macguffin, will be Liam's ring. Which we already know, might have some enchantment. However, destroying the Darkness will probably, be pretty straight forward. Someone is being run through with Excalibur. There is no other way to do, considered it has been foreshadowed since 5.02. The real question is, will Emma run Hook through.... or will he run himself through?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      - The random discussion of Magical macguffin/ Plot device (They really have made me stop caring about their magicbuilding because it feels like they pull things out of a random word generator)

      I think the only magical macguffin, will be Liam's ring. Which we already know, might have some enchantment. However, destroying the Darkness will probably, be pretty straight forward.... someone is being run through with Excalibur. There is no other way to do, considered it has been foreshadowed since 5.02. The real question is, will Emma run Hook through.... or will he run himself through?

      I dunno. I was more on the stupid convient plot devices (not the mushroom, since the writers must use that)

      ---Healing spell that only really needs something that touched them from before the affliction

      ---Convenient book of Merlin's that has the answers to new magic he never encountered

      ---Convenient blood of a man from death and back (probably why Nimue made the vault, but still) that summons the Underworld portal and apparently Nimue and the others were waiting

      --Chronicles of the Dark One (not used)

      --Merida's impossible archery

      --Helm that makes increases soldier morale (weirdly specific)

      --Convenient light magic snuffing spell (not used)

      --Convenient Dark magic moving spell (not used)

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      --Chronicles of the Dark One (not used)

      This might end up being used, to gain some more information. 

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    • I'm sick of sacrifices to be honest, Rumple did it in 3x11, then Emma in 4x22, now Hook, who's next?

      Btw, we need to make more bingos to predict what's gonna happen in the midseason finale.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      I'm sick of sacrifices to be honest, Rumple did it in 3x11, then Emma in 4x22, now Hook, who's next?

      Btw, we need to make more bingos to predict what's gonna happen in the midseason finale.

      But then everybody's a winner. I do lurk across the web and it seems as if that the writers are pushing online fans to the brink (at least the reasonable ones, not the rabid shippers) with some predictablility, character assassination and much more.

      If Hook sacrifices himself, I call BS (Bumper Sticker XD) if Hook has a plan because he can't come up with a plan for his life and even if his character was partially destroyed with his quick 180 and stuff as well as Emma being wally Emma (when will she get rid of those?) deserving some of the comments.

      I can't deal with wacky plot contrivance. David comes out of nowhere and tells them about the Dreamcatchers when he probably shouldn't have known and what contrived entrance.

      I hope for something epic, but I know it'll be the exact opposite. Nimue will somehow be outsmarted and so on and it'll make me more and more aggravated. Just no Plot induced Stupidity, please.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      I hope for something epic, but I know it'll be the exact opposite. Nimue will somehow be outsmarted and so on and it'll make me more and more aggravated. Just no Plot induced Stupidity, please.

      All the pieces to this large, crazy jigsaw puzzle are falling into place. All of which suggest, that Merlin has been the ultimate puppetmaster.... for the greater good, of course.

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    • Agree. 

      He is the most powerful wizard ever, and he didn't protect his heart like Zelena did?

      And he can see the future!

      And he was cooking the Dark Curse in Granny's.


      I think Hook and him somehow planned all of this. And they are going to kill Nimue and therefore, all the Dark Ones will be destroyed