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  • Adam and Eddy described the second part of this season as “hell”. Sounds like there will be a war between good and evil, and major deaths of one or two characters to me. What do you suppose will happen?

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    • Well, Killian Jones' father, Charon, Furies and the Underworld.....I think I know what they are hinting at.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Well, Killian Jones' father, Charon, Furies and the Underworld.....I think I know what they are hinting at.

      We're going to Agrabah?

      JK.

      We're going to Mt. Olympus?

      (Actually we might, if it's the Greek Myth arc.)

      Anyway, Underworld is basically confirmed at this point, so I guess we will get to see the spirits of all our favorite departed characters. (The ones that have an open enough schedule anyway.)

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    • Oh, the joy!!!!!!!

      Ha

      Haha

      Ha

      ...

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    • They also said Hook's father will be introduced before 5B. But he hasn't been cast yet and they almost filmed all of 5A.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: They also said Hook's father will be introduced before 5B. But he hasn't been cast yet and they almost filmed all of 5A.

      I guess they are just getting started with episode 10 already.

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    • HP7hghrOUaTekscrrF10rrmc wrote:
      Oh, the joy!!!!!!!

      Ha

      Haha

      Ha

      ...

      I concur...

      Greek Myths just don't fit with the rest of the show, in my opinion. D:

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Well, Killian Jones' father, Charon, Furies and the Underworld.....I think I know what they are hinting at.

      My god.... then this means we could see Ingrid, Cora, Cruella and Peter Pan again?

      Jesus....

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Well, Killian Jones' father, Charon, Furies and the Underworld.....I think I know what they are hinting at.
      My god.... then this means we could see Ingrid, Cora, Cruella and Peter Pan again?

      Jesus....

      Ingrid looks like she was in heaven with her sisters (including Anna & Elsa's Mom) after she died.

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    • Why does everyone think we're getting the Underworld? Just because they called the arc hell?

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    • I think that means either Hook or Emma will die in the winter finale

      And the other one will go the underwold to bring him/her back

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    • Edzz wrote:
      Why does everyone think we're getting the Underworld? Just because they called the arc hell?

      I never mentioned anything about the underworld as Hell. I am saying that the Producers described the second part of this season as "hell". Meaning that it could be very suspensive, tragic, and dark. The word Hell does seem to mean or refer to the underworld.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Well, Killian Jones' father, Charon, Furies and the Underworld.....I think I know what they are hinting at.
      My god.... then this means we could see Ingrid, Cora, Cruella and Peter Pan again?

      Jesus....

      Ingrid looks like she was in heaven with her sisters (including Anna & Elsa's Mom) after she died.

      If they're actually doing the Greek Underworld, then all the villains would be there, yes. The unredeemed villains like Cora, Pan and Cruella would all be in the actual underworld, while Ingrid would be in the Elysium Fields, the resting ground of the pure-hearted.

      Literally every character in the history of the show is fair game now if they go there. Henry Sr., Huntsman, Daniel, the villains, James. They could really go places with an Underworld arc. Especially if they introduce Hades and Persephone as well as some new "undead" characters in the Underworld.

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    • Emma killed Elsa and must rescue her from Hades

      A friend's theory which I hope is wrong XD

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    • 'The Price' has just revealed Emma's ambition to snuck out the light, maybe her action will lead to Hades' conquering the living world. Also, the appearances of Charon and Fury are hinting at Hades & the Hell

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      If they're actually doing the Greek Underworld, then all the villains would be there, yes. The unredeemed villains like Cora, Pan and Cruella would all be in the actual underworld, while Ingrid would be in the Elysium Fields, the resting ground of the pure-hearted.

      Literally every character in the history of the show is fair game now if they go there. Henry Sr., Huntsman, Daniel, the villains, James. They could really go places with an Underworld arc. Especially if they introduce Hades and Persephone as well as some new "undead" characters in the Underworld.

      I don't know about Ingrid being Elysium Fields....

      That is a very restricted place: even a single impure thought disqualifies you for going there.

      Ingrid killed her sister. And she wanted to get everyone killed with the Spell of Shattered Sight

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    • If they treat the Underworld as a some episodes' story and not as a full arc, I think I'm all in and hoping we see some of the dead cast as well.

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    • Edzz wrote:
      Why does everyone think we're getting the Underworld? Just because they called the arc hell?

      It's not just that. Greek Myths have been on the show since the first season. And when asked about Charon's appearance in The Price, Andrew C. basically gave us a "#nospoilers". Plus, with the whole Dark Swan thing, I wouldn't be surprised if a major character is killed, and then everyone goes to The Underworld to save them. Which again is very much in line with Greek Myths.

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    • That would suck though. It's like DBZ and nobody can die permanently.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: That would suck though. It's like DBZ and nobody can die permanently.

      What's DBZ stand for? And what do you mean by saying "It's like DBZ and nobody can die permanently" anyway? Because I am not sure it is entirely true.

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    • Well since Merida, Mulan and Ruby are going in an adventure, and this is so far the only appearance they'll make, I hope it's not a one-off. You can't throw back these characters and never show them again.

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    • Nakis91 wrote: Well since Merida, Mulan and Ruby are going in an adventure, and this is so far the only appearance they'll make, I hope it's not a one-off. You can't throw back these characters and never show them again.

      I found no evidence that this is Ruby and Mulan's only appearance, both or one of them may continue appearing this season.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote: That would suck though. It's like DBZ and nobody can die permanently.

      What's DBZ stand for? And what do you mean by saying "It's like DBZ and nobody can die permanently" anyway? Because I am not sure it is entirely true.

      "DBZ" is the anime and manga Dragonball Z. Characters who died could, barring under certain circumstances, be wished back to life by gathering seven magical artifacts called Dragon Balls.

      Until next time... Anon e Mouse Jr.

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    • Anon e Mouse Jr. wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote: That would suck though. It's like DBZ and nobody can die permanently.

      What's DBZ stand for? And what do you mean by saying "It's like DBZ and nobody can die permanently" anyway? Because I am not sure it is entirely true.

      "DBZ" is the anime and manga Dragonball Z. Characters who died could, barring under certain circumstances, be wished back to life by gathering seven magical artifacts called Dragon Balls.

      Until next time... Anon e Mouse Jr.

      I'm not sure if they are actually going to make it like Dragonball Z.

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    • I like the idea of an underworld with all the unredeemed big bads... only thing is, that sounds very much like a series finale arc to me. Not sure where they'd go after that if they were intending to do a season 6.

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    • Well so far the producers have not revealed anything about an underworld adventure. So clearly right now, there is no proof of that, until the mid finale gives info or at the beginning of the second arc.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      That would suck though. It's like DBZ and nobody can die permanently.

      Considering they've directly contradicted their own "magic can't bring back the dead" with Rumple in 3B and Anastasia in Wonderland, they've already made it like Dragonball Z.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      That would suck though. It's like DBZ and nobody can die permanently.

      Considering they've directly contradicted their own "magic can't bring back the dead" with Rumple in 3B and Anastasia in Wonderland, they've already made it like Dragonball Z.

      Those were under unusual circumstances. Rumple was the Dark One and, since his powers hadn't passed on to a new host, could be resurrected via a person trading their life for his; Anastasia was revived because "it wasn't her time" (whereas the last person they tried to revive that way was meant to die at that time; tampering with her fate lead to the ones responsible being punished).

      Until next time... Anon e Mouse Jr.

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    • Anon e Mouse Jr. wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      That would suck though. It's like DBZ and nobody can die permanently.
      Considering they've directly contradicted their own "magic can't bring back the dead" with Rumple in 3B and Anastasia in Wonderland, they've already made it like Dragonball Z.

      Those were under unusual circumstances. Rumple was the Dark One and, since his powers hadn't passed on to a new host, could be resurrected via a person trading their life for his; Anastasia was revived because "it wasn't her time" (whereas the last person they tried to revive that way was meant to die at that time; tampering with her fate lead to the ones responsible being punished).

      Until next time... Anon e Mouse Jr.

      Doesn't matter in the slightest if the circumstances were unusual. They said no magic could bring back the dead. None. Then Anastasia is brought with magic water that's never mentioned again, despite being implied to be the same water from Lake Nostos/Storybrooke Well. And in the same few months, Rumple is brought back from the dead because of the sacrifice of Neal's life. Amara wasn't dead however, she was dying. There is a subtle difference.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      That would suck though. It's like DBZ and nobody can die permanently.
      Considering they've directly contradicted their own "magic can't bring back the dead" with Rumple in 3B and Anastasia in Wonderland, they've already made it like Dragonball Z.

      Exactly, magic can't bring back the dead, but actually going to The Underworld and getting the dead person and bringing them back to the real world isn't magic. XD

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      That would suck though. It's like DBZ and nobody can die permanently.
      Considering they've directly contradicted their own "magic can't bring back the dead" with Rumple in 3B and Anastasia in Wonderland, they've already made it like Dragonball Z.
      Exactly, magic can't bring back the dead, but actually going to The Underworld and getting the dead person and bringing them back to the real world isn't magic. XD

      And that would actually be the only loophole that I'd be in favor of. But they've directly contradicted their own statements.

      They also said magic can't change the past, but Zelena actually did that. And without having to break the laws of magic like Jafar did. Which... why did he have to when Zelena proved you don't have to break the laws of magic to perform the three forbidden acts?

      Anyway, introducing Hades would be awesome and they could bring in Megara and Hercules. And they could have Hades be the one who frees a soul after the Storybrooke Crew does the 12 Labors or something with Hercules' help.

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    • The laws of magic are just guidelines. I assume if you raise the dead, that the price you pay isn't worth it. Technically, Zelena changed the past but didn't change the future really, but she might have just found a loophole. Jafar said he could chnage the past, but it made it seem like he could only change what everyone thought happen, but not actually make it so. Magic doesn't say you can't travel through time, lol.

      I hope they do a mash-up. I know how much Once likes villains and villainesses, but I would love to see Hel (or Hela) or even more death lords. I would doubt all the spirit realms we have seen is all just the underworld.

      I'm certain that the thing that governs the dead is more powerful than magic.

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    • I only accepted Rumple's resurrection because there was an exchange of lives in that situation. Technically, the same happened on Wonderland, when they resolved the water issue with Amara sacrificing herself, Nyx gave some water for Anastacia because she wasn't supposed to die. Though the story would have been better if she stayed dead.

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    • Eskaver wrote: The laws of magic are just guidelines.

      I respectfully disagree. Why would Jafar go through all the trouble of collecting the genie bottles to break the Laws of Magic if they were just simple guidelines?

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    • M.J. Daniels wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: The laws of magic are just guidelines.

      I respectfully disagree. Why would Jafar go through all the trouble of collecting the genie bottles to break the Laws of Magic if they were just simple guidelines?

      Because that's the only way he knew. The Laws of Magic isn't easy to overcome. I'll rephrase it. They are thinks that are difficult to do and you can't do at a wave of your hand. JThe three Genies Spell did so for Amara and Jafar, but you could change the laws of magic with Cora's Curse of the Empty Hearted, Zelena's time travel spell, and somehow raise the dead we'll find out.

      They aren't exceptions, just really hard to figure out. Time travel spells have been sought after according to Rumple since the beginning of the dark arts, but Zelena found out the right combination. The Laws of magic are just things you think you can't break.

      Jafar and Amara's spell simply allowed jafar to change thought (the past, Alice and Jafar's dialogue seems to say this is how he could change the past), make someone think they love you (which was the same as Cora's spell) which was broken by TLK, and raising the dead, which we have some methods but no concrete ones yet.

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    • To be fair, if you can bring back the dead, alter someone's memories and heal any injury, then you can change the past without time travel. In a way.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      To be fair, if you can bring back the dead, alter someone's memories and heal any injury, then you can change the past without time travel. In a way.

      Yep, that's why I stand by my belief that as more magic rules come out that magic is just overpowered. It's a surprise no Dark One didn't just kill everyone.

      They also introduced a life for a life. The Fury should have taken Robin and something should be exchanged. This might give Robin a purpose.......(He's Megara)

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    • Zelena's time travel spell can be explained. The items she collected to cast it represented love, wisdom, courage, and innocence respectively. Glinda states that they are all symbolise elements of magic, explaining why Zelena was able to break the Laws of Magic and travel back in time; she literally controlled magic itself.

      The examples you mentioned, in my opinion at least, are all loopholes to the Laws of Magic. The Curse of the Empty Hearted needs the heart of the person you hate most to create a false illusion of love. In Jafar's case, he broke the Laws and was able to make Anastasia fall in love with him without any sacrifice or price. About the changing the past thing, my guess is that Jafar didn't want to bother actually going back when he could simply alter Alice's memories.

      This is all my reasons as to why the Laws of Magic are actual restrictions, because there seems to be no consistent magic system in Once.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      To be fair, if you can bring back the dead, alter someone's memories and heal any injury, then you can change the past without time travel. In a way.

      Yep, that's why I stand by my belief that as more magic rules come out that magic is just overpowered. It's a surprise no Dark One didn't just kill everyone.

      They also introduced a life for a life. The Fury should have taken Robin and something should be exchanged. This might give Robin a purpose.......(He's Megara)

      I like this. I bet Robin will start to be plagued by nightmares of Hades.

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    • M.J. Daniels wrote:
      Zelena's time travel spell can be explained. The items she collected to cast it represented love, wisdom, courage, and innocence respectively. Glinda states that they are all symbolise elements of magic, explaining why Zelena was able to break the Laws of Magic and travel back in time; she literally controlled magic itself.

      The examples you mentioned, in my opinion at least, are all loopholes to the Laws of Magic. The Curse of the Empty Hearted needs the heart of the person you hate most to create a false illusion of love. In Jafar's case, he broke the Laws and was able to make Anastasia fall in love with him without any sacrifice or price. About the changing the past thing, my guess is that Jafar didn't want to bother actually going back when he could simply alter Alice's memories.

      This is all my reasons as to why the Laws of Magic are actual restrictions, because there seems to be no consistent magic system in Once.

      Truth there! But HJafar's was an illusion of love since Will and Ana had a True Love's kiss and broke it. TLk can break any curse. I assume it does what Cora's spell did, just easier.

      Also, I don;t think he could actually time travel because if he changed Alice's past, Jafar probably would have won or he would wipe himself out of the timeline (unless he merged with a future Jafar).

      Simple truth though is that it is sort of OP and these laws are trivial when it comes to the power of the plot. Guess they could turn themselves into the sun based on their rules, lol.

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    • Once is really a show that requires thinking. I like to think of the Laws of Magic this way: there are spells that are loopholes to the Laws, but they all have a price and are difficult to enact. Jafar's method is simply just the easier way without any price.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Well, Killian Jones' father, Charon, Furies and the Underworld.....I think I know what they are hinting at.
      We're going to Agrabah?

      JK.

      We're going to Mt. Olympus?

      (Actually we might, if it's the Greek Myth arc.)

      Anyway, Underworld is basically confirmed at this point, so I guess we will get to see the spirits of all our favorite departed characters. (The ones that have an open enough schedule anyway.)


      I hope that we can see Neal again, and it would be nice if they mix OUaT wich OUaT in wonderland

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I think that means either Hook or Emma will die in the winter finale

      And the other one will go the underwold to bring him/her back

      I was thinking is would be either Regina or Hook dying, since the episode is supposed to focus on them.

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    • It would be cool if somebody important dies, the heroes go rescue him/her in the underworld, and when they find him/her, he/she says "Don't. It's against the logics of life, it was my time, you can go home."

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    • As wonderful and logical as that sounds.... when have the Nevengers ever done the logical thing?

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    • If they save anyone person from the Underworld, then the whole show would invalidate all the deaths.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      If they save anyone person from the Underworld, then the whole show would invalidate all the deaths.

      Lol.... OUaT already did that, when Mulan and Aurora saved Prince Phillip.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      If they save anyone person from the Underworld, then the whole show would invalidate all the deaths.
      Lol.... OUaT already did that, when Mulan and Aurora saved Prince Phillip.

      They never explained it and we don't know that. For all we know, they whacked the wraith in the head and it gave them Phillip's soul. Otherwise, he wasn't dead, just in limbo.

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    • Hypothetically.... if the Nevengers travel to the Underworld to save someone, then it is almost given that it would parallel how Mulan and Aurora saved Phillip.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Hypothetically.... if the Nevengers travel to the Underworld to save someone, then it is almost given that it would parallel how Mulan and Aurora saved Phillip.

      They won't be seen doing anything during this.....because They will push Mulan down the plot hole until they want to bring her back.

      I hope they don't travel to a dark set again because that didn't go over so well in the Neverland arc and I don't want another deity being humiliated. I mean Poseidon is a deity and Hook just taunted him and left. That was pitiful. Even more pitiful is how so far the deities are just immortal sorcerer with a bit more power. Merlin might as well be one since he's the most powerful person so far.

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    • Yeah, Philip wasn't dead dead.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      If they save anyone person from the Underworld, then the whole show would invalidate all the deaths.

      Well, I'm 99% sure that is what they are going to do this season. It doesn't bother me though, heroes saving people from the Underworld is a thing from actual Greek Myths, and don't forget, it is not easy to do. And besides, any fantasy story useally has some sort of bringing back the dead/resurection/reincarnation/necromancy, so it makes sense to have it on Once.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      If they save anyone person from the Underworld, then the whole show would invalidate all the deaths.
      Well, I'm 99% sure that is what they are going to do this season. It doesn't bother me though, heroes saving people from the Underworld is a thing from actual Greek Myths, and don't forget, it is not easy to do. And besides, any fantasy story useally has some sort of bringing back the dead/resurection/reincarnation/necromancy, so it makes sense to have it on Once.

      It would invalidate it because then there is no real drama. Other shows do it, but this isn't "other shows".

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    • Eskaver wrote: It would invalidate it because then there is no real drama. Other shows do it, but this isn't "other shows".

      Really?

      I recall Snow White crushing Prince Charming's heart, to enact the second Dark Curse. Charming was very much dead, and Regina doubted that Snow's idea would even work.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote: It would invalidate it because then there is no real drama. Other shows do it, but this isn't "other shows".
      Really?

      I recall Snow White crushing Prince Charming's heart, to enact the second Dark Curse. Charming was very much dead, and Regina doubted that Snow's idea would even work.

      It devalued the Dark Curse, but I let that past because True Love. Charming wasn't dead, imo.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      If they save anyone person from the Underworld, then the whole show would invalidate all the deaths.

      Well, I'm 99% sure that is what they are going to do this season. It doesn't bother me though, heroes saving people from the Underworld is a thing from actual Greek Myths, and don't forget, it is not easy to do. And besides, any fantasy story useally has some sort of bringing back the dead/resurection/reincarnation/necromancy, so it makes sense to have it on Once.

      I think everyone has forgotten one little detail. Mortals can't visit the underworld. Only Gods, Demigods, and especially dead people can visit the underworld. As far as I seen so far. Of course I could have missed a slight detail.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      If they save anyone person from the Underworld, then the whole show would invalidate all the deaths.
      Well, I'm 99% sure that is what they are going to do this season. It doesn't bother me though, heroes saving people from the Underworld is a thing from actual Greek Myths, and don't forget, it is not easy to do. And besides, any fantasy story useally has some sort of bringing back the dead/resurection/reincarnation/necromancy, so it makes sense to have it on Once.
      I think everyone has forgotten one little detail. Mortals can't visit the underworld. Only Gods, Demigods, and especially dead people can visit the underworld. As far as I seen so far. Of course I could have missed a slight detail.

      And that is the truth. Even in Once, they had to communicate across the Dark Vortex, but the Cora spirit escaped.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      If they save anyone person from the Underworld, then the whole show would invalidate all the deaths.
      Well, I'm 99% sure that is what they are going to do this season. It doesn't bother me though, heroes saving people from the Underworld is a thing from actual Greek Myths, and don't forget, it is not easy to do. And besides, any fantasy story useally has some sort of bringing back the dead/resurection/reincarnation/necromancy, so it makes sense to have it on Once.
      I think everyone has forgotten one little detail. Mortals can't visit the underworld. Only Gods, Demigods, and especially dead people can visit the underworld. As far as I seen so far. Of course I could have missed a slight detail.

      And that is the truth. Even in Once, they had to communicate across the Dark Vortex, but the Cora spirit escaped.

      What's the truth?

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      Eskaver wrote:
      If they save anyone person from the Underworld, then the whole show would invalidate all the deaths.
      Well, I'm 99% sure that is what they are going to do this season. It doesn't bother me though, heroes saving people from the Underworld is a thing from actual Greek Myths, and don't forget, it is not easy to do. And besides, any fantasy story useally has some sort of bringing back the dead/resurection/reincarnation/necromancy, so it makes sense to have it on Once.
      I think everyone has forgotten one little detail. Mortals can't visit the underworld. Only Gods, Demigods, and especially dead people can visit the underworld. As far as I seen so far. Of course I could have missed a slight detail.
      And that is the truth. Even in Once, they had to communicate across the Dark Vortex, but the Cora spirit escaped.
      What's the truth?

      What you said. Orpheus was the only one to really do so and he had to convince Hasdes to let him down there.

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    • If OUaT does go to the Underworld during the backhalf, the foundation for a storyline was there for a while. Unlike the Wicked and Frozen arcs, which came out of left field.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      If OUaT does go to the Underworld during the backhalf, the foundation for a storyline was there for a while. Unlike the Wicked and Frozen arcs, which came out of left field.

      Nope they did a small foreshadow of Zelena. So, not of nowhere.

      Greek myth has the biggest foundation, but I guess it'll be weird with the other Olympians and other beings. The only Ones I sort of expect to see are the Fates.

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    • Um.... we already met Poseidon.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Um.... we already met Poseidon.

      I'm specifically taking about the Mount Olympus crew. Poseidon is in the Seas.

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    • I have no problem with OUaT introducing Hades.... especially, if they can get James Woods.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      HP7hghrOUaTekscrrF10rrmc wrote:
      Oh, the joy!!!!!!!

      Ha

      Haha

      Ha

      ...

      I concur...

      Greek Myths just don't fit with the rest of the show, in my opinion. D:


      I agree, OUaT is fairy tale TV show not a Myth TV show. If I was wanting to see a Greek Myths program  I would wacht Percy's Jackcson movies

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    • Do you really believe that OUAT will introduce some Greek Gods? I mean come on, it doesn't even fit the Once Universe. You all foresight some crazy and dumb stuffs just because Adam said 5B is going to be like "HELL".

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      I have no problem with OUaT introducing Hades.... especially, if they can get James Woods.

      Although, James Woods does always play Hades, I doubt they would. I actually thought the Clash of Titans actor did Hades good. I rather have a more serious person. Zeus was the more jovial one (or at least the one more social and about).
      Plus, Disney Hades is more Devil than Hades who was pretty chill with things and not a power-hungry tyrant.

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    • CadoDoan wrote: Do you really believe that OUAT will introduce some Greek Gods? I mean come on, it doesn't even fit the Once Universe. 

      The show already introduced the Greek myths and gods.

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    • CadoDoan wrote: Do you really believe that OUAT will introduce some Greek Gods? I mean come on, it doesn't even fit the Once Universe. You all foresight some crazy and dumb stuffs just because Adam said 5B is going to be like "HELL".

      Yeah that's right. The way I heard Adam say "Hell" is because their will be consequences, tragedy (like tragic deaths), and maybe war like chaos. He specifically pointed out that it will be very intense. Thrilling and exciting, but very intense.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote: Do you really believe that OUAT will introduce some Greek Gods? I mean come on, it doesn't even fit the Once Universe. 
      The show already introduced the Greek myths and gods.

      The problem is they're not actually Gods. For example Poseidon calls himself a deity, but he is just a powerful wizard and king of the sea or something. Yes, they already introduce some myths, like Medusa, Midas, Sirens or Pegasus' feathers... But none of them were the main plot of a whole arc.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Although, James Woods does always play Hades, I doubt they would. I actually thought the Clash of Titans actor did Hades good. I rather have a more serious person. Zeus was the more jovial one (or at least the one more social and about).
      Plus, Disney Hades is more Devil than Hades who was pretty chill with things and not a power-hungry tyrant.

      OUaT could easily combine, both the mythological and the Disney versions of Hades together. Just watch him be revealed as Lily's father, lol.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Although, James Woods does always play Hades, I doubt they would. I actually thought the Clash of Titans actor did Hades good. I rather have a more serious person. Zeus was the more jovial one (or at least the one more social and about).
      Plus, Disney Hades is more Devil than Hades who was pretty chill with things and not a power-hungry tyrant.

      OUaT could easily combine, both the mythological and the Disney versions of Hades together. Just watch him be revealed as Lily's father, lol.

      Hahahahahahaha that can be possible :D

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    • Ok, they did say the second arc would be hell. and I will concede that could mean a trip to the underworld/nether realms/whatever.  They have set up the underworld with the Charon and Furies from "The Price". There is the seance from "Bleeding Through" that definitely hints of an afterlife. Add in the stuff we found out about the wraith and sucking souls (dealing with Prince Philip) from Season 2, and even the stuff from the effects and aftereffects of the sleeping curse, and they have the setup available to go that route if they choose.

      However, They could simple mean that, as someone else mentioned, that we will see all of the negative effects from trying to save Emma (including the real possibility that they do no succeed by the end of 5A). As the old expression goes, Hell knows no fury greater than that of a woman scorned.  I'm thinking it will be more of THIS type of hell.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      If they save anyone person from the Underworld, then the whole show would invalidate all the deaths.
      Well, I'm 99% sure that is what they are going to do this season. It doesn't bother me though, heroes saving people from the Underworld is a thing from actual Greek Myths, and don't forget, it is not easy to do. And besides, any fantasy story useally has some sort of bringing back the dead/resurection/reincarnation/necromancy, so it makes sense to have it on Once.
      It would invalidate it because then there is no real drama. Other shows do it, but this isn't "other shows".

      I still think there would be drama. And I'm not suggesting they would save every character who died. It would be like 1 or 2 characters, and they would have to have Hades allow it (like he did in the myths). It actually would create a lot of drama. And it would allow a main cast member to die, without them being gone forever.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Um.... we already met Poseidon.
      I'm specifically taking about the Mount Olympus crew. Poseidon is in the Seas.

      Poseidon is one of the 12 gods that has a throne on Mt. Olympus. So he technically is a Mt. Olympus person.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:


      NickyHelp wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      Eskaver wrote:
      If they save anyone person from the Underworld, then the whole show would invalidate all the deaths.
      Well, I'm 99% sure that is what they are going to do this season. It doesn't bother me though, heroes saving people from the Underworld is a thing from actual Greek Myths, and don't forget, it is not easy to do. And besides, any fantasy story useally has some sort of bringing back the dead/resurection/reincarnation/necromancy, so it makes sense to have it on Once.
      I think everyone has forgotten one little detail. Mortals can't visit the underworld. Only Gods, Demigods, and especially dead people can visit the underworld. As far as I seen so far. Of course I could have missed a slight detail.
      And that is the truth. Even in Once, they had to communicate across the Dark Vortex, but the Cora spirit escaped.
      What's the truth?
      What you said. Orpheus was the only one to really do so and he had to convince Hasdes to let him down there.

      Heracles (Hercules) also went to the Underworld for his 12th labor. And yes, he's a demigod, but he was trying to prove himself to go to Mt. Olympus/get immortallity, so he kind of counts as mortal.

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    • Cami b vaz wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      HP7hghrOUaTekscrrF10rrmc wrote:
      Oh, the joy!!!!!!!

      Ha

      Haha

      Ha

      ...

      I concur...

      Greek Myths just don't fit with the rest of the show, in my opinion. D:


      I agree, OUaT is fairy tale TV show not a Myth TV show. If I was wanting to see a Greek Myths program  I would wacht Percy's Jackcson movies

      Once is a classic story show, and you can't get any more classic than the Greek Myths.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote: Do you really believe that OUAT will introduce some Greek Gods? I mean come on, it doesn't even fit the Once Universe. 
      The show already introduced the Greek myths and gods.
      The problem is they're not actually Gods. For example Poseidon calls himself a deity, but he is just a powerful wizard and king of the sea or something. Yes, they already introduce some myths, like Medusa, Midas, Sirens or Pegasus' feathers... But none of them were the main plot of a whole arc.

      Exactly, we are due for a whole arc, because they have had many references to Greek Myths since Season 1. And Poseidon is a god, he identified himself as a deity, and had magical powers. The Greek gods are never depicted on the same level as the Christian God, and are more along the lines of powerful immortal witches and wizards. Which is what we saw on Once.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Although, James Woods does always play Hades, I doubt they would. I actually thought the Clash of Titans actor did Hades good. I rather have a more serious person. Zeus was the more jovial one (or at least the one more social and about).
      Plus, Disney Hades is more Devil than Hades who was pretty chill with things and not a power-hungry tyrant.

      OUaT could easily combine, both the mythological and the Disney versions of Hades together. Just watch him be revealed as Lily's father, lol.

      It woudln't be a bad ideia, since that they are going to intruduce Hades(they shouldn't) at least than it woudl have some Demigod to go into the hell

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote: Do you really believe that OUAT will introduce some Greek Gods? I mean come on, it doesn't even fit the Once Universe. 
      The show already introduced the Greek myths and gods.
      The problem is they're not actually Gods. For example Poseidon calls himself a deity, but he is just a powerful wizard and king of the sea or something. Yes, they already introduce some myths, like Medusa, Midas, Sirens or Pegasus' feathers... But none of them were the main plot of a whole arc.
      Exactly, we are due for a whole arc, because they have had many references to Greek Myths since Season 1. And Poseidon is a god, he identified himself as a deity, and had magical powers. The Greek gods are never depicted on the same level as the Christian God, and are more along the lines of powerful immortal witches and wizards. Which is what we saw on Once.

      Amen.

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    • It is possible that Rumplestiltskin will become the Dark One again, only this time not bound to the dagger. An uncontrolable Dark One would be a force to be reckoned with, even for the hero who wields Excalibur. Emma's life may even be the price, for making the sword whole again. This way the characters could go to the Underworld to save someone, and be forced to battle Hell on Earth.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      It is possible that Rumplestiltskin will become the Dark One again, only this time not bound to the dagger. An uncontrolable Dark One would be a force to be reckoned with, even for the hero who wields Excalibur. Emma's life may even be the price, for making the sword whole again. This way the characters could go to the Underworld to save someone, and be forced to battle Hell on Earth.

      As Rumple's heart is currently a clean slate, perhaps Rumple-in-Emma's-head may be tempted to take up residence within Gold, even if Emma frees herself of the Darkness. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      It is possible that Rumplestiltskin will become the Dark One again, only this time not bound to the dagger. An uncontrolable Dark One would be a force to be reckoned with, even for the hero who wields Excalibur. Emma's life may even be the price, for making the sword whole again. This way the characters could go to the Underworld to save someone, and be forced to battle Hell on Earth.

      I think that it could happend, because Rumple have always loved his power so he could kill Emma to have it back

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    • I think that it could happend, because Rumple have always loved his power so he could kill Emma to have it back

      I think Rumple loved the power because his heart was corrupted by the Darkness and the magic. But also, we have seen little of pre-darkness Rumple, so it could be.

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    • I know I'm talking about the midseason finale, but guys, what if they do what they always exclaimed to do and "Everybody dies". Lol

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    • Lautarolynn123 wrote: I think Rumple loved the power because his heart was corrupted by the Darkness and the magic. But also, we have seen little of pre-darkness Rumple, so it could be.

      Rumple loved power, because he was a coward who dreamed of being a hero. Being the Dark One make him strong and unafraid, someone who would never have to bow to another.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Lautarolynn123 wrote: I think Rumple loved the power because his heart was corrupted by the Darkness and the magic. But also, we have seen little of pre-darkness Rumple, so it could be.
      Rumple loved power, because he was a coward who dreamed of being a hero. Being the Dark One make him strong and unafraid, someone who would never have to bow to another.

      But now he isn't the Dark One anymore, so i think he will be just like he was before being

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    • Cami b vaz wrote:

      But now he isn't the Dark One anymore, so i think he will be just like he was before being

      The cowardly man who desperately wanted to be brave, yet was incredibly easy to manipulate?

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    • In my record, the only real death is Charming

      Blue just got her shadow ripped out. (Which can kill you if it is not reattached after some time)

      Phillip just got his soul ripped out.

      Rumple didn't die because the Dark One can't kill himself with the Dagger

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      In my record, the only real death is Charming

      Blue just got her shadow ripped out. (Which can kill you if it is not reattached after some time)

      Phillip just got his soul ripped out.

      Rumple didn't die because the Dark One can't kill himself with the Dagger

      Charming was dead, brought back by Snow's heart. Anastasia was dead, brought back by Well of Wonders water. Rumple was dead (we KNOW this), brought back by Neal's unwitting sacrifice.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      In my record, the only real death is Charming

      Blue just got her shadow ripped out. (Which can kill you if it is not reattached after some time)

      Phillip just got his soul ripped out.

      Rumple didn't die because the Dark One can't kill himself with the Dagger

      Charming was dead, brought back by Snow's heart. Anastasia was dead, brought back by Well of Wonders water. Rumple was dead (we KNOW this), brought back by Neal's unwitting sacrifice.

      Oh yeah, I forgot about Anastasia 

      So, 2 deaths for me: Charming and Red Queen

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      In my record, the only real death is Charming

      Blue just got her shadow ripped out. (Which can kill you if it is not reattached after some time)

      Phillip just got his soul ripped out.

      Rumple didn't die because the Dark One can't kill himself with the Dagger

      Charming was dead, brought back by Snow's heart. Anastasia was dead, brought back by Well of Wonders water. Rumple was dead (we KNOW this), brought back by Neal's unwitting sacrifice.

      Oh yeah, I forgot about Anastasia 

      So, 2 deaths for me: Charming and Red Queen

      It is true that Charming was dead, brought back by Snow because she (with Regina's help) split and shared her heart with him.

      Phillip's soul was sucked by the wraith, but was bought back because Aurora and Mulan found information to return the soul to it's owner from the wraith. Thanks to Cora's big mouth as Aurora heard from.

      Anastasia was dead but was restored with the Well of Wonder.

      Blue was dead because her shadow was ripped off (Which can kill you if it is not reattached after some time). But her shadow was put back after capturing Pan's shadow.

      Sure Rumple was dead (I knew that), brought back by Neal's unwitting sacrifice. But 8Rob is right that the dark one can't kill him or herself with dagger when the darkness is still in a body.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      8Rob is right that the dark one can't kill him or herself with dagger when the darkness is still in a body.

      Nope, in Season 2 Cora very clearly said that if the current Dark One dies with no one to take the power with the Dagger, the Curse is over. Which implies that the Darkness would die with them.

      In Season 3, it's made explicit that for Peter Pan to die, so must Rumple. Though it's never specified why that is, but that's the subject for another discussion. Then in Quiet Minds, they say that the Vault of the Dark One can bring back the most recent Dark One... from the dead.

      Rumple died, and the Darkness died with him, because it didn't have another host to go to.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:

      8Rob is right that the dark one can't kill him or herself with dagger when the darkness is still in a body.

      Nope, in Season 2 Cora very clearly said that if the current Dark One dies with no one to take the power with the Dagger, the Curse is over. Which implies that the Darkness would die with them.

      In Season 3, it's made explicit that for Peter Pan to die, so must Rumple. Though it's never specified why that is, but that's the subject for another discussion. Then in Quiet Minds, they say that the Vault of the Dark One can bring back the most recent Dark One... from the dead.

      Rumple died, and the Darkness died with him, because it didn't have another host to go to.

      It's not a true death though, because you just have to open the vault, and it comes back.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:

      8Rob is right that the dark one can't kill him or herself with dagger when the darkness is still in a body.

      Nope, in Season 2 Cora very clearly said that if the current Dark One dies with no one to take the power with the Dagger, the Curse is over. Which implies that the Darkness would die with them.

      In Season 3, it's made explicit that for Peter Pan to die, so must Rumple. Though it's never specified why that is, but that's the subject for another discussion. Then in Quiet Minds, they say that the Vault of the Dark One can bring back the most recent Dark One... from the dead.

      Rumple died, and the Darkness died with him, because it didn't have another host to go to.

      It's not a true death though, because you just have to open the vault, and it comes back.

      It is a true death, though. Especially since the only way to bring them back is by sacrificing your life. A life for a life. Balance. And if no one had ever touched the vault, he'd be dead forever.

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    • Cora said that because Rumple was about to die in New York, where there is no magic

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:

      8Rob is right that the dark one can't kill him or herself with dagger when the darkness is still in a body.

      Nope, in Season 2 Cora very clearly said that if the current Dark One dies with no one to take the power with the Dagger, the Curse is over. Which implies that the Darkness would die with them.

      In Season 3, it's made explicit that for Peter Pan to die, so must Rumple. Though it's never specified why that is, but that's the subject for another discussion. Then in Quiet Minds, they say that the Vault of the Dark One can bring back the most recent Dark One... from the dead.

      Rumple died, and the Darkness died with him, because it didn't have another host to go to.

      It's not a true death though, because you just have to open the vault, and it comes back.
      It is a true death, though. Especially since the only way to bring them back is by sacrificing your life. A life for a life. Balance. And if no one had ever touched the vault, he'd be dead forever.

      Well, I mean in the fact that it can be undone, and yes, someone has to sacrifice themselves, but still.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: It's not a true death though, because you just have to open the vault, and it comes back.

      A vault that requires a human sacrifice.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:

      8Rob is right that the dark one can't kill him or herself with dagger when the darkness is still in a body.

      Nope, in Season 2 Cora very clearly said that if the current Dark One dies with no one to take the power with the Dagger, the Curse is over. Which implies that the Darkness would die with them.

      In Season 3, it's made explicit that for Peter Pan to die, so must Rumple. Though it's never specified why that is, but that's the subject for another discussion. Then in Quiet Minds, they say that the Vault of the Dark One can bring back the most recent Dark One... from the dead.

      Rumple died, and the Darkness died with him, because it didn't have another host to go to.

      It's not a true death though, because you just have to open the vault, and it comes back.
      It is a true death, though. Especially since the only way to bring them back is by sacrificing your life. A life for a life. Balance. And if no one had ever touched the vault, he'd be dead forever.
      Well, I mean in the fact that it can be undone, and yes, someone has to sacrifice themselves, but still.

      Cora clearly said that the power fizzles off into the air. The Darkness would probably escape and clearly the writers didn't have season 5 in mind.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:

      8Rob is right that the dark one can't kill him or herself with dagger when the darkness is still in a body.

      Nope, in Season 2 Cora very clearly said that if the current Dark One dies with no one to take the power with the Dagger, the Curse is over. Which implies that the Darkness would die with them.

      In Season 3, it's made explicit that for Peter Pan to die, so must Rumple. Though it's never specified why that is, but that's the subject for another discussion. Then in Quiet Minds, they say that the Vault of the Dark One can bring back the most recent Dark One... from the dead.

      Rumple died, and the Darkness died with him, because it didn't have another host to go to.

      It's not a true death though, because you just have to open the vault, and it comes back.
      It is a true death, though. Especially since the only way to bring them back is by sacrificing your life. A life for a life. Balance. And if no one had ever touched the vault, he'd be dead forever.
      Well, I mean in the fact that it can be undone, and yes, someone has to sacrifice themselves, but still.
      Cora clearly said that the power fizzles off into the air. The Darkness would probably escape and clearly the writers didn't have season 5 in mind.

      And again, Cora lies. Literally proven to us with Lancelot not being dead. Why are we still taking everything she says at face value?

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    • And again, Cora lies. Literally proven to us with Lancelot not being dead. Why are we still taking everything she says at face value?

      No, Cora didn't lie about anything. The writers plans nothing: Zelena as Regina's sister, Pan as Rumple's father, Ingrid as Emma's foster-mother, or even this Zelena/Marian situation. I really hate this "non-planning" thing in OUAT. LOST wasn't like that

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      And again, Cora lies. Literally proven to us with Lancelot not being dead. Why are we still taking everything she says at face value?
      No, Cora didn't lie about anything. The writers plans nothing: Zelena as Regina's sister, Pan as Rumple's father, Ingrid as Emma's foster-mother, or even this Zelena/Marian situation. I really hate this "non-planning" thing in OUAT. LOST wasn't like that

      Lost had different show runners.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:

      And again, Cora lies. Literally proven to us with Lancelot not being dead. Why are we still taking everything she says at face value?

      No, Cora didn't lie about anything. The writers plans nothing: Zelena as Regina's sister, Pan as Rumple's father, Ingrid as Emma's foster-mother, or even this Zelena/Marian situation. I really hate this "non-planning" thing in OUAT. LOST wasn't like that

      She did lie about Lancelot's presumed death. You know that.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      And again, Cora lies. Literally proven to us with Lancelot not being dead. Why are we still taking everything she says at face value?
      No, Cora didn't lie about anything. The writers plans nothing: Zelena as Regina's sister, Pan as Rumple's father, Ingrid as Emma's foster-mother, or even this Zelena/Marian situation. I really hate this "non-planning" thing in OUAT. LOST wasn't like that
      Lost had different show runners.

      A&E are/were the heads of both teams of showrunners (LOST and OUaT).

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      And again, Cora lies. Literally proven to us with Lancelot not being dead. Why are we still taking everything she says at face value?
      No, Cora didn't lie about anything. The writers plans nothing: Zelena as Regina's sister, Pan as Rumple's father, Ingrid as Emma's foster-mother, or even this Zelena/Marian situation. I really hate this "non-planning" thing in OUAT. LOST wasn't like that
      Lost had different show runners.
      A&E are/were the heads of both teams of showrunners (LOST and OUaT).

      That is not true. Anyhow, they weren't relevant until towards the end of the show......which ended.

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    • Cora lies.... but Lancelot is probably also lying. Please, stop taking everything any character says at face value.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      And again, Cora lies. Literally proven to us with Lancelot not being dead. Why are we still taking everything she says at face value?
      No, Cora didn't lie about anything. The writers plans nothing: Zelena as Regina's sister, Pan as Rumple's father, Ingrid as Emma's foster-mother, or even this Zelena/Marian situation. I really hate this "non-planning" thing in OUAT. LOST wasn't like that
      Lost had different show runners.
      A&E are/were the heads of both teams of showrunners (LOST and OUaT).

      A&E became Executive Producers in season 5. Before that, they were only on the writing crew.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Cora lies.... but Lancelot is probably also lying. Please, stop taking everything any character says at face value.

      You may be right, but that doesn't prove what I said above. I'm sure they don't even know what they are going to do in Season 6 now.

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    • Couldn't we go back on topic?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote: Cora lies.... but Lancelot is probably also lying. Please, stop taking everything any character says at face value.

      Since when did Lancelot ever lie to Snow? He has been loyal to her and Charming ever since King George showed cruelty and no honor. He helped Snow and tried to Charming save his mother Ruth. And obviously the flashback of him and Guinevere will reveal what he knows. Why else would he look so urgent and warn Snow?

      Now lets go back on topic.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Since when did Lancelot ever lie to Snow? He has been loyal to her and Charming ever since King George showed cruelty and no honor. He helped Snow and tried to Charming save his mother Ruth.

      That was the only time Snow White ever interacted with Lancelot, as her husband tried to remind her. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Since when did Lancelot ever lie to Snow? He has been loyal to her and Charming ever since King George showed cruelty and no honor. He helped Snow and tried to Charming save his mother Ruth.

      That was the only time Snow White ever interacted with Lancelot, as her husband tried to remind her. 

      That does not mean he will betray them.

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    • (MOD) Dadadada Lalalala, Oh wait, get back on topic!

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      And again, Cora lies. Literally proven to us with Lancelot not being dead. Why are we still taking everything she says at face value?
      No, Cora didn't lie about anything. The writers plans nothing: Zelena as Regina's sister, Pan as Rumple's father, Ingrid as Emma's foster-mother, or even this Zelena/Marian situation. I really hate this "non-planning" thing in OUAT. LOST wasn't like that

      No, the writers knew Lancelot was going to be around for multiple episodes, meaning that he was not suppost to ever really be dead. They even told the actor such in season 2, but then plans changed and the Camelot arc was pushed back (until now).

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      (MOD) Dadadada Lalalala, Oh wait, get back on topic!

      I don't see how we can discuss the topic, if we don't first establish that Adam and Eddy do in fact plan many things out. I mean, according to some people, they don't even have a plan for 5B yet. XD

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      (MOD) Dadadada Lalalala, Oh wait, get back on topic!
      I don't see how we can discuss the topic, if we don't first establish that Adam and Eddy do in fact plan many things out. I mean, according to some people, they don't even have a plan for 5B yet. XD

      No, It's just a stall and put a stop to mini-modding. Don't need someone to do my job!

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      (MOD) Dadadada Lalalala, Oh wait, get back on topic!
      I don't see how we can discuss the topic, if we don't first establish that Adam and Eddy do in fact plan many things out. I mean, according to some people, they don't even have a plan for 5B yet. XD
      No, It's just a stall and put a stop to mini-modding. Don't need someone to do my job!

      I was going to mention that we shouldn't mini-mod, but then I would be mini-modding the mini-mod. XD

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      I don't see how we can discuss the topic, if we don't first establish that Adam and Eddy do in fact plan many things out. I mean, according to some people, they don't even have a plan for 5B yet. XD

      Lol.... seriously, some people think that the basic of 5.B were not planned yet? Logic would dictate, that that would be impossible. Since they are starting to film 5.11 next week. The only arc that was not planned, was the Frozen arc.

      The storyline for the 5.B arc, can go in a million directions at this point. If someone dies, the characters could travel to the Underworld. Or Rumplestiltskin will become the Dark One again, only this time more powerful and uncontrollable. Or OUaT will throw a curveball, and the story will come out of left field. The possibilities are endless. 

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      (MOD) Dadadada Lalalala, Oh wait, get back on topic!

      I don't see how we can discuss the topic, if we don't first establish that Adam and Eddy do in fact plan many things out. I mean, according to some people, they don't even have a plan for 5B yet. XD

      Except how they addressed 5B as Hell like it is going to be tragic, suspensive, exciting, dramatic, and chaotic.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Except how they addressed 5B as Hell like it is going to be tragic, suspensive, exciting, dramatic, and chaotic.

      Or it is just a hellish experience for the writers?

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    • Again, I think the writers are usually very careful with their answers.  many of the answers that they give are deliberately ambiguous, or have multiple interpretations. 

      If you go on just what has been foreshadowed over 4 1/2 seasons, you could continue the camelot arc (I just don't see that being resolved in 11 episodes), you have Lily and her Father and the whole fate thing, they have set up the ability to bring in Greek mythos, there's still Dark Swan (even if they do wrap up camelot).

      Or they could go a different route and bring in a new story (there may be someting set up in the next couple of weeks, such as Killian's dad, more Brave, Mulan, etc).  

      The options alone sound like a writers hell.

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    • Even if OUaT does continues the Camelot arc.... I think Arthur, Guinevere, and (to an extent) the Dark Swan will be resolved. 

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      And again, Cora lies. Literally proven to us with Lancelot not being dead. Why are we still taking everything she says at face value?
      No, Cora didn't lie about anything. The writers plans nothing: Zelena as Regina's sister, Pan as Rumple's father, Ingrid as Emma's foster-mother, or even this Zelena/Marian situation. I really hate this "non-planning" thing in OUAT. LOST wasn't like that
      Lost had different show runners.
      A&E are/were the heads of both teams of showrunners (LOST and OUaT).
      A&E became Executive Producers in season 5. Before that, they were only on the writing crew.

      Oh, nevermind. Sorry.

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    • If the writers do go the route of a Greek Myth arc, I totally see Dr. Facilier escaping from the Underworld at the end of 5B and becoming the Big Bad of season 6.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      And again, Cora lies. Literally proven to us with Lancelot not being dead. Why are we still taking everything she says at face value?
      No, Cora didn't lie about anything. The writers plans nothing: Zelena as Regina's sister, Pan as Rumple's father, Ingrid as Emma's foster-mother, or even this Zelena/Marian situation. I really hate this "non-planning" thing in OUAT. LOST wasn't like that


      Lost could have been planned but Lost ends was a sucks.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Cora lies.... but Lancelot is probably also lying. Please, stop taking everything any character says at face value.
      You may be right, but that doesn't prove what I said above. I'm sure they don't even know what they are going to do in Season 6 now.

      I dont think it is going to have a season 6, but if it haves I would be really happy

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    • Cami b vaz wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Cora lies.... but Lancelot is probably also lying. Please, stop taking everything any character says at face value.
      You may be right, but that doesn't prove what I said above. I'm sure they don't even know what they are going to do in Season 6 now.
      I dont think it is going to have a season 6, but if it haves I would be really happy

      Me neither, but many people say it is, so let's just wait and pray lol

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    • M.J. Daniels wrote:
      If the writers do go the route of a Greek Myth arc, I totally see Dr. Facilier escaping from the Underworld at the end of 5B and becoming the Big Bad of season 6.

      I don't want them to go back to the random villains after they defeated the "Darkness".

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    • Cami b vaz wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      And again, Cora lies. Literally proven to us with Lancelot not being dead. Why are we still taking everything she says at face value?
      No, Cora didn't lie about anything. The writers plans nothing: Zelena as Regina's sister, Pan as Rumple's father, Ingrid as Emma's foster-mother, or even this Zelena/Marian situation. I really hate this "non-planning" thing in OUAT. LOST wasn't like that

      Lost could have been planned but Lost ends was a sucks.

      Because A&E were executive producers at the end.

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    • Cami b vaz wrote:
      CadoDoan wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Cora lies.... but Lancelot is probably also lying. Please, stop taking everything any character says at face value.
      You may be right, but that doesn't prove what I said above. I'm sure they don't even know what they are going to do in Season 6 now.
      I dont think it is going to have a season 6, but if it haves I would be really happy

      There will likely be season 6. However, nothing is certain.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      M.J. Daniels wrote:
      If the writers do go the route of a Greek Myth arc, I totally see Dr. Facilier escaping from the Underworld at the end of 5B and becoming the Big Bad of season 6.

      I don't want them to go back to the random villains after they defeated the "Darkness".

      Defeating the Darkness doesn't necessarily mean that there won't be anymore bad guys to fight. I don't see why Once should end because of this, because there plentiful stories left to tell.

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    • M.J. Daniels wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      M.J. Daniels wrote:
      If the writers do go the route of a Greek Myth arc, I totally see Dr. Facilier escaping from the Underworld at the end of 5B and becoming the Big Bad of season 6.
      I don't want them to go back to the random villains after they defeated the "Darkness".
      Defeating the Darkness doesn't necessarily mean that there won't be anymore bad guys to fight. I don't see why Once should end because of this, because there plentiful stories left to tell.

      And besides, who said they're defeating the Darkness? Rumple lasted as the Dark One for centuries.

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    • M.J. Daniels wrote:
      If the writers do go the route of a Greek Myth arc, I totally see Dr. Facilier escaping from the Underworld at the end of 5B and becoming the Big Bad of season 6.

      Oh =O

      I think that would work

      Dr. Facilier is a voodoo doctor. He could control the dead villains as his puppets 

      Ingrid, Cora, Peter Pan, Cruella,...

      That would be insane =O

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      M.J. Daniels wrote:
      If the writers do go the route of a Greek Myth arc, I totally see Dr. Facilier escaping from the Underworld at the end of 5B and becoming the Big Bad of season 6.
      Oh =O

      I think that would work

      Dr. Facilier is a voodoo doctor. He could control the dead villains as his puppets 

      Ingrid, Cora, Peter Pan, Cruella,...

      That would be insane =O

      It would be really nice. I loved Cora and Ingrid

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    • Cami b vaz wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      M.J. Daniels wrote:
      If the writers do go the route of a Greek Myth arc, I totally see Dr. Facilier escaping from the Underworld at the end of 5B and becoming the Big Bad of season 6.
      Oh =O

      I think that would work

      Dr. Facilier is a voodoo doctor. He could control the dead villains as his puppets 

      Ingrid, Cora, Peter Pan, Cruella,...

      That would be insane =O

      It would be really nice. I loved Cora and Ingrid

      Me too! But I thought Indrid wasn't a villain anymore

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    • After all this speculation, it would be laughable if they go with a spoilery tittle for 5x12.

      Something like "Welcome to Hades"

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    • Or how about something like "To Hell in a Handbasket".

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    • I'm hopeing we get something confirming a Greek Myth arc, but in a more subtle way. Something like "Gods Among Us" or "12 Thrones". I also think lines from Disney's Hercules could be good, especially the song titles. "Zero to Hero", "Go the Distance", "I Won't Say I'm In Love", "The Gosple Truth", "A Star is Born", and "When The World Was Young" could all be good episode titles, although maybe not for 512.

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    • Or maybe they will put a episode titles that gives us less informetion about what is going to happend.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I'm hopeing we get something confirming a Greek Myth arc, but in a more subtle way. Something like "Gods Among Us" or "12 Thrones". I also think lines from Disney's Hercules could be good, especially the song titles. "Zero to Hero", "Go the Distance", "I Won't Say I'm In Love", "The Gosple Truth", "A Star is Born", and "When The World Was Young" could all be good episode titles, although maybe not for 512.

      If they call an episode "I won't say I'm in love", they better introduce Megara and Adonis (the man who left her in the movie) as well as Herc and Hades.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      After all this speculation, it would be laughable if they go with a spoilery tittle for 5x12.

      Something like "Welcome to Hades"

      How about 5.12 Out of the Fryingpan.... with 5.13 being .... And Into the Fire?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      After all this speculation, it would be laughable if they go with a spoilery tittle for 5x12.

      Something like "Welcome to Hades"

      How about 5.12 Out of the Fryingpan.... with 5.13 being .... And Into the Fire?

      Yes, I love this idea! I loved Second Star to the Right and And Straight On 'Til Morning in terms of the titles.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I also think lines from Disney's Hercules could be good, especially the song titles. "Zero to Hero", "Go the Distance", "I Won't Say I'm In Love", "The Gosple Truth", "A Star is Born", and "When The World Was Young" could all be good episode titles

      If 5.B is going to feature the Underworld and Greek mythology, none of the episodes should be named after songs from Disney's Hercules. The only song title that might work is "The Gospel Truth", and even then I seriously doubt they would use it. 

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    • Do you think Hook and Emma will pull a Romeo and Juliet at the end of 5B?

      Maybe both of them will die

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    • 8Rob wrote: Do you think Hook and Emma will pull a Romeo and Juliet at the end of 5B?

      Maybe both of them will die

      I hope not in the same way, "oh no, you're dead, I must kill myself too!" "What? What happened? I was asleep, oh no he's dead! I can't live without him!" *dies*

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      I hope not in the same way, "oh no, you're dead, I must kill myself too!" "What? What happened? I was asleep, oh no he's dead! I can't live without him!" *dies*

      Exactly.... there is nothing romantic about Romeo and Juliet. They were just two selfish, immature teenagers. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      I hope not in the same way, "oh no, you're dead, I must kill myself too!" "What? What happened? I was asleep, oh no he's dead! I can't live without him!" *dies*

      Exactly.... there is nothing romantic about Romeo and Juliet. They were just two selfish, immature teenagers. 

      Actually, she was 12 and he was 21. Neither one was a teenager and that relationship was creepy all around.

      But I'm sure Once would make it end far less tragically.

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    • Back to the second arc, and ideas. The casting call for "Distinguished Guy" sounds like it could be Hades.  So Odds are we are going to the Underworld (reasonable speculation).  Reason why is not yet known, but will probably be clear by "Swan Song".

      A thought occurs to me, though, of a subplot that could run with this arc.  Going with Hercules (which you know will be at least referenced), one of the themes was "Zero to Hero". and we have a character that, at least as of the end of "Broken Kingdom" would definitely qualify as a "Zero". and a certain Dark One has told this Zero that She is going to make him the Hero she needs.  Anyone care to place bets that Rumple is going to represent Hercules?

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Back to the second arc, and ideas. The casting call for "Distinguished Guy" sounds like it could be Hades.  So Odds are we are going to the Underworld (reasonable speculation).  Reason why is not yet known, but will probably be clear by "Swan Song".

      A thought occurs to me, though, of a subplot that could run with this arc.  Going with Hercules (which you know will be at least referenced), one of the themes was "Zero to Hero". and we have a character that, at least as of the end of "Broken Kingdom" would definitely qualify as a "Zero". and a certain Dark One has told this Zero that She is going to make him the Hero she needs.  Anyone care to place bets that Rumple is going to represent Hercules?

      God, I hope not. It's bad enough that they had Cyrus/Will as allusions to Aladdin and Alice/Anastasia as allusions to Jasmine. It was fine in the Beauty and the Beast situation 'cause it fit perfectly, but no. I don't need Rumple replacing Herc.

      Speaking of, Herc actually took hero training. Wouldn't he have been a better choice to make Rumple into a hero than... Merida? But then again, I can't think of any way they could've shoved Hercules into Camelot.

      I just hope we get Megara and Pegasus alongside Herc.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Speaking of, Herc actually took hero training. Wouldn't he have been a better choice to make Rumple into a hero than... Merida? 

      Hero training did not make Hercules a hero, in the film. He became a true hero, when he was willing to to take Meg's place, in the Underworld.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Speaking of, Herc actually took hero training. Wouldn't he have been a better choice to make Rumple into a hero than... Merida? 

      Hero training did not make Hercules a hero, in the film. He became a true hero, when he was willing to to take Meg's place, in the Underworld.

      But he still got hero training.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      8Rob wrote: Do you think Hook and Emma will pull a Romeo and Juliet at the end of 5B?

      Maybe both of them will die

      I hope not in the same way, "oh no, you're dead, I must kill myself too!"

      "What? What happened? I was asleep, oh no he's dead! I can't live without him!" *dies*

      I was thinking in something different: Hook dies. And then Emma kills himself to help him to not cross the river Styx

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      8Rob wrote: Do you think Hook and Emma will pull a Romeo and Juliet at the end of 5B?

      Maybe both of them will die

      I hope not in the same way, "oh no, you're dead, I must kill myself too!"

      "What? What happened? I was asleep, oh no he's dead! I can't live without him!" *dies*

      I was thinking in something different: Hook dies. And then Emma kills himself to help him to not cross the river Styx

      Maybe by sacrificing herself she gives up the eternal life and along with that the darknes...

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    • Nooo I like Emma as DO >.<

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    • I do hope she'll stay The Dark Swan into 5B. I mean, next episode will be 5 and we haven't really seen much of her yet. But I have a sinking feeling that The Dark Swan might be season 5's equivalent to the 'Queens of Darkness'... tons of hype, tons of publicity, but ultimately a secondary plot- when really it's too big a thing to be playing second fiddle. 

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    • P3nathan wrote:
      I do hope she'll stay The Dark Swan into 5B. I mean, next episode will be 5 and we haven't really seen much of her yet. But I have a sinking feeling that The Dark Swan might be season 5's equivalent to the 'Queens of Darkness'... tons of hype, tons of publicity, but ultimately a secondary plot- when really it's too big a thing to be playing second fiddle. 

      Well put.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:

      P3nathan wrote:
      I do hope she'll stay The Dark Swan into 5B. I mean, next episode will be 5 and we haven't really seen much of her yet. But I have a sinking feeling that The Dark Swan might be season 5's equivalent to the 'Queens of Darkness'... tons of hype, tons of publicity, but ultimately a secondary plot- when really it's too big a thing to be playing second fiddle. 

      Well put.

      Yeah, well put indeed. Season 3 was like that as well. From Neverland to Zelena, Emma felt more at home with Henry and didn't feel at home anywhere else (still feeling like an orphan). Even though season 3 had two stories in different arcs, it is equivalent for Emma to feel at home in storybrooke.

      So clearly as P3nathan pointed out, it is most likely possible that season 5 is equivalent to the Dark Swan. While we are seeing more of Camelot and Merida and less of Dark Swan in the first half, we might obviously see mpre of Dark Swan in the second.

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