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  • We have something new in our plan, Oncers! Maybe some of you already know it, but Brigitte Hales, our latest writer, revealed that 510 was not the finale on Twitter.

    At this point, we got all reactions: she is liar, she does not know her job, she revealed something that she was not supposed to, Adam is a liar, etc...

    BUT, Adam answered! THIS:

    https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/651992125303820288

    So, apparently it will be explained shortly (maybe Friday, at the NYCC?). Another episode like STM? Two 11 eps arcs?

    What do you think? :)

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    • In my opinion, they are going back to Season1 ans season 2 format, which means no winter finale since there will be only mini breaks of 3-4 weeks between certain episodes. That's just speculation of course.

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    • The hiatus is confirmed and the two arcs format are still there. The question is more about how it'll end and how it'll begin.

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    • They also said that 510 is the winter finale but appearently they changed plans so everything they have said before is pretty much invalid at this point.

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    • But the hiatus is decided by ABC, and they did not change that.

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    • Brigitte Hales needs to get off Twitter or be fired.... that is all I can say.

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    • They might get an extra episode, or Hales will be getting a stern talking to in the backroom.

      They wonb't do anything like season 2 because:

      1) ABC decides the hiatus.

      2) They are adapting their formula:

      -They took the travel to the EF and the two part finale from season 2, the half arcs from season 3, the non-trapezing through a forest from season 3a,the missing year concept from 3b, the Disney/Pixar inclusion from 4a, and something like that.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      They might get an extra episode, or Hales will be getting a stern talking to in the backroom.

      They wonb't do anything like season 2 because:

      1) ABC decides the hiatus.

      2) They are adapting their formula:

      -They took the travel to the EF and the two part finale from season 2, the half arcs from season 3, the non-trapezing through a forest from season 3a,the missing year concept from 3b, the Disney/Pixar inclusion from 4a, and something like that.

      1. There is nothing special about an extra episode that merits a special announcement at NYCC. The extra episode last season was announced by ABC, not by Adam, on the internet.

      2. An extra episode changes their plans of having the 100th episode as the spring premeire. This might be the announcement, but again, I don't see anything special about that either that Adam can't say it on twitter.

      3. The fact that abc decides the schedule does not contradict the possiblity that the schedule has changed. They can tell the production about it, and Adam is the one to announce it on friday. He was also the one that informed about the 10/12, not abc.

      4. 510 being a two-hour episode would still make it the midseason finale, which we know it isn't. So it is not the case.

      The thing that makes the most sense is what I said or another possibility is that he is going to announce they are ending the series and the episodes are going to air every week till March.

      We don't actually know what he is going to announce and this is just a speulations thread. I think it will be good to see what other people speculate instead of just claiming making other's speculations falsifiability. Like I said abc makes the decisions that Adam might inform the viewers.

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    • They are not ending the series xD Not when S6 is a safe bet x)

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Hales will be getting a stern talking to in the backroom.

      Brigitte Hales should be getting a stern talking to, regardless of what the the announcement is. It is not her place to say anything, as it is probably a breach of contract. 

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    • We don't know if 5x10 isn't the midseason finale for sure. We'll just have to wait.

      Plus, I doubt they will announce that the series is ending, especially when they are doing relatively well while someof the other ABC Sunday shows aren't.

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    • Could it just be that they are counting STM as 1 episode (like they always did; 8A and 8B means two hours, but one episode; and only other places labled the episodes 8 and 9)? So the 100th episode is the spring premiere, but now we are an episode short (as we really always were). 22 + 22 + 22 + 22 +10 = 98. So we need one more episode, number 99, to get us to episode 100 for the spring premiere.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Could it just be that they are counting STM as 1 episode (like they always did; 8A and 8B means two hours, but one episode; and only other places labled the episodes 8 and 9)? So the 100th episode is the spring premiere, but now we are an episode short (as we really always were). 22 + 22 + 22 + 22 +10 = 98. So we need one more episode, number 99, to get us to episode 100 for the spring premiere.

      STM is counted as two episodes. We won't go back on that, they made it quite clear ^^ And also because this discussion was painful and annoying as hell :P So let's not open again the door of the Devil :P

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Could it just be that they are counting STM as 1 episode (like they always did; 8A and 8B means two hours, but one episode; and only other places labled the episodes 8 and 9)? So the 100th episode is the spring premiere, but now we are an episode short (as we really always were). 22 + 22 + 22 + 22 +10 = 98. So we need one more episode, number 99, to get us to episode 100 for the spring premiere.
      STM is counted as two episodes. We won't go back on that, they made it quite clear ^^ And also because this discussion was painful and annoying as hell :P So let's not open again the door of the Devil :P

      Yeah, and I saw Adam explaining it where he said this season split was going to be 10/12 after I wrote this. He did say in that message though "as on now". So maybe they had a change of plans, and are making episode 100 the fall finale. They could always reair it in the spring anyway. They reaired 4x21 and 4x22 this fall.

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    • I think they changed plans and this season will be 11 and 11 again, like season 3 and 4

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    • The recent news solved this ridde:

      5x08 and 5x09 will be the 2 hour special

      And 5x11 will be the winter finale

      Thus, Broken Heart won't be the winter finale

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      The recent news solved this ridde:

      5x08 and 5x09 will be the 2 hour special

      And 5x11 will be the winter finale

      Thus, Broken Heart won't be the winter finale

      We don't know that the two hours is 5x08 and 5x09. 5x08 could be getting extended to two hours like Smash the Mirror was.

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    • https://twitter.com/katmtan/status/652754401489108992

      Actually, that does not make sense ^^  But guess we'll see :)

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    • It still doesn't make sense why he still claims that 100th episode is the spring premiere and not the winter finale.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      It still doesn't make sense why he still claims that 100th episode is the spring premiere and not the winter finale.


      The only way is that Smash the Mirror counts as one ep after all x)

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    • Or that Adam needs to learn how to count

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Or that Adam needs to learn how to count


      That's a possibility too xD

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      It still doesn't make sense why he still claims that 100th episode is the spring premiere and not the winter finale.

      The only way is that Smash the Mirror counts as one ep after all x)

      I think they'll go with Smash the Mirror as ONE episode.

      If Birth and The Bear King really air together, it is 2 episodes written separately and with different titles. They will use that to justify that Smash the Mirror is one episode, just longer.

      Thus, We have 22 + 22 + 22 + 22 + 11 (being 508 and 509 together and 511 being finale) = 99. 100 being spring premiere

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    • No, it's not 2 episodes airing together, it's an extended hour of one episode, like in Smash the Mirror. I don't know how the writers count it.

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    • Did he actually say it is not 2 episodes airing together? I don't think he did.

      To me, it is clear that they intend to do this episode as Operation Mongoose Part 1 and Operation Mongoose Part 2, just with different titles instead of Part 1 and 2, but the same formula

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    • He said "this season just got bigger", so it's an extra hour, not 2 episodes in the same night.

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    • Not neccessarily. It could be 11 episodes now and 12 in 5B (the special 100th + 11).

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    • Okay, I figured out.

      They don't count 4x08 and 5x08 as different episodes, just longer. So...

      22 + 22 + 22 + 22 = 88

      Ep. 5x10 "Broken Heart" has been said NOT to be the winter finale, so ep. 5x11 will be the midseason finale, and it will air on December 13th, which is usually the week the show ends.

      88 + 11 = 99

      This is why the spring premiere will be the 100th episode! They confused us when they said we'd get a 12 eps arc and a 10 eps arc.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Okay, I figured out.

      They don't count 4x08 and 5x08 as different episodes, just longer. So...

      22 + 22 + 22 + 22 = 88

      Ep. 5x10 "Broken Heart" has been said NOT to be the winter finale, so ep. 5x11 will be the midseason finale, and it will air on December 13th, which is usually the week the show ends.

      88 + 11 = 99

      This is why the spring premiere will be the 100th episode! They confused us when they said we'd get a 12 eps arc and a 10 eps arc.

      Makes sense. So they not went from 10 episodes/hours to 11 episodes/12 hours. This is not an extra hour but TWO extra hours. O.o

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    • Except for now, they consider STM as 2 episodes. Adam said it, that"s why we are working like that. Eveything is still speculation for now. Until Adam gives us more details.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      He said "this season just got bigger", so it's an extra hour, not 2 episodes in the same night.

      Thank you, that's what I've been saying this whole time.

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    • Okay! 512 is the 100th episode!

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/652888677253836800

      Meaning, 408 is now counted back as 1 episode xD

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    • AMAZING!

      Now we just need to go back to the normal template. There's no point to use a different template for Season Four if it has 22 episodes just like all the others

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    • Life is so unfair... I'll have to check back where i added the parameter for stm2 xD I'll ask Killian to give a look at it. He could use his bot to check where the parameter is and add it back to the normal one x)

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      We don't know that the two hours is 5x08 and 5x09. 5x08 could be getting extended to two hours like Smash the Mirror was.

      That would mean Broken Heart is the winter finale (considering the 10/12 season)

      And they just said it isn't

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    • Broken Heart is the penultimate episode. 511 is the winter finale and 512 the 100/spring premiere.  The double hour could be either a two-hour episode (which would be counted as one, like STM) OR it will be like the season 3/4 finale meaning they'll air 2 episodes so 2 eps.

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    • Yep, looks like we finally have everything sorted out. More or less anyway. XD

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    • All the articles, tweets and reports say that it's just an extended episode. This thread is the only thing that's saying it's 2 eps in the same night. I don't want to insist, I just hope it's true because more Once hours are always a great thing.

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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