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    00:57, November 30, 2015

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    • The 100th episode is called "Broken Heart"? That doesn't make me very optimistic.

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    • That is not the 100th episode. That's the 99th episode.

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    • This is supposedly the Fall Finale, with Ep 100 being the Spring Premiere.

      Broken Heart... Does not bode well.  Whose Broken heart?  Hook? Snowing? Henry? Regina? Emma? Arthur? Mulan? So many possibilities, and none of them hopeful.  definitly makes me think we are going into the Hiatus on a bit of a downer.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      That is not the 100th episode. That's the 99th episode.

      Adam has gone back on what he said about Smash the Mirror previously, and they're now considering it 2 episodes. He has also stated specifically that the first half of Season 5 would only be 10 episodes long, so that the 100th episode can be the Spring premiere. So 10 episodes for the Fall, and 12 episodes for the Spring. So yeah, 510 is only the 99th episode. 

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      This is supposedly the Fall Finale, with Ep 100 being the Spring Premiere.

      Broken Heart... Does not bode well.  Whose Broken heart?  Hook? Snowing? Henry? Regina? Emma? Arthur? Mulan? So many possibilities, and none of them hopeful.  definitly makes me think we are going into the Hiatus on a bit of a downer.

      I'm willing to bet...

      ...It has something to do with Emma completing Excalibur...

      ...MAYBE...

      Hmm.

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    • The first thing I thought was Snow and Charming since they have one heart split between them...

      Then I thought maybe Emma will sacrifice her own heart for the power; or a part of it. Since the Dark One blade (evil) and Excalibur (good) are two parts of a whole; perhaps this is where Rumple's new pearly white heart comes into play. If Emma combines half of her presumably dark heart with half of his light heart, throws it into a cauldron or something; maybe she'll be able to get excalibur. Just rolling with imagination there. 

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    • Sooner or later, the title names will sound like a "Broken" record. Broken, The Broken Kingdom, Broken Heart

      Any which way, this shoudl be the 5a finale (even if Hales, the new writer, said differently, unless we're getting a doyble episode). I guess it'll deal with a cliffhanger, sad, cliffhanger. I bet Emma's heart will be broken (as will many others.) If he didn't do that stunt in the other episode, I would have seen him dying, but I doubt anyone will die now. Besides, Merlin or any other non-main character.

      Mulan may get another broken heart, but I think hers will be the only one being mended in that episode, while everyone else is sad.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Sooner or later, the title names will sound like a "Broken" record. Broken, The Broken Kingdom, Broken Heart

      Any which way, this shoudl be the 5a finale (even if Hales, the new writer, said differently, unless we're getting a doyble episode). I guess it'll deal with a cliffhanger, sad, cliffhanger. I bet Emma's heart will be broken (as will many others.) If he didn't do that stunt in the other episode, I would have seen him dying, but I doubt anyone will die now. Besides, Merlin or any other non-main character.

      Mulan may get another broken heart, but I think hers will be the only one being mended in that episode, while everyone else is sad.

      What episode and who are you refering to by saying "If he didn't do that stunt in the other episode"? Just curious.

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    • P3nathan wrote:

      Then I thought maybe Emma will sacrifice her own heart for the power; or a part of it. Since the Dark One blade (evil) and Excalibur (good) are two parts of a whole

      That is quite possibily the price, the Darkness was referring. 

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    • Maybe it's literally a broken heart, like in the Dark Swan teaser, somebody gets killed with the heart turned into a broken diamond. Or maybe Emma's heart is broken so she is 100% evil with no feels, I doubt it but still. These are my guesses.

      I don't think it's gonna be "X gets dumped by Y" again, we had that in the last winter finale.

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    • Interesting but it doesn't say too much. (Thank god, I don't need more spoilery titles like The Queen is Dead)

      I'm more interested to know the 100th episode title, actually

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    • Oh and wait a minute! This midseason finale wasn't written by Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz?

      I'm shocked

      Not kidding

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Oh and wait a minute! This midseason finale wasn't written by Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz?

      I'm shocked

      Not kidding

      Or they could have lied about the mid-season finale. Or maybe they are branching out or just saving it for the premiere.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Oh and wait a minute! This midseason finale wasn't written by Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz?

      I'm shocked

      Not kidding

      Or they could have lied about the mid-season finale. Or maybe they are branching out or just saving it for the premiere.

      Or maybe this episode isn't written as a mid-season finale but just like a random episode without cliffhangers/deaths/major changes

      Because we all know that when Edward & Adam write an episode..... something will happen

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    • Eddy and Adam are probably writing the 100th episode.... after all, that is the milestone.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Sooner or later, the title names will sound like a "Broken" record. Broken, The Broken Kingdom, Broken Heart

      Any which way, this shoudl be the 5a finale (even if Hales, the new writer, said differently, unless we're getting a doyble episode). I guess it'll deal with a cliffhanger, sad, cliffhanger. I bet Emma's heart will be broken (as will many others.) If he didn't do that stunt in the other episode, I would have seen him dying, but I doubt anyone will die now. Besides, Merlin or any other non-main character.

      Mulan may get another broken heart, but I think hers will be the only one being mended in that episode, while everyone else is sad.

      Not to mention all the episode titles with "heart" in them. XD

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    • Looks like they gave us a cryptic and vague episode title to end 5A with. It should be interesting to see what the next episode title will be (which should be the premiere of 5B, the 100th episode, and written by Adam and Eddy). Also, on a funny note, I was just thinking about when we would get this episode title earlier today.

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    • Broken Heart doesn't have to mean a person will be dumped. I'm hoping Snowing's and Hook's hearts will be broken as they realise they can't save Emma.

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    • Well, guys and gals, this may not actually be the 5a finale. We'll get more info on this soon, aka Adam's twitter account.

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    • One thing.  Normally, when they tweet a script title, it is generally just the front page, and maybe some signficant item.  In this case, it was the front page, and a lunch box with the 4 main Villains from the show (Hook, Emma, Rumple, and Regina).

      First of all, I want that lunch box.

      Second, I am going to assume that the episode deals with all four of those characters. What if somehow the light gets taken from all 4 of these persons, sending Regina and Hook back down a dark path, and who knows what with Rumple (maybe he quits being a voice in Emma's head and becomes visible again?)  Just random speculation.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      One thing.  Normally, when they tweet a script title, it is generally just the front page, and maybe some signficant item.  In this case, it was the front page, and a lunch box with the 4 main Villains from the show (Hook, Emma, Rumple, and Regina).

      First of all, I want that lunch box.

      Second, I am going to assume that the episode deals with all four of those characters. What if somehow the light gets taken from all 4 of these persons, sending Regina and Hook back down a dark path, and who knows what with Rumple (maybe he quits being a voice in Emma's head and becomes visible again?)  Just random speculation.

      Not again!

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Well, guys and gals, this may not actually be the 5a finale. We'll get more info on this soon, aka Adam's twitter account.

      Why would it not be? They said they were doing a 10/12 split.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      One thing.  Normally, when they tweet a script title, it is generally just the front page, and maybe some signficant item.  In this case, it was the front page, and a lunch box with the 4 main Villains from the show (Hook, Emma, Rumple, and Regina).

      First of all, I want that lunch box.

      Second, I am going to assume that the episode deals with all four of those characters. What if somehow the light gets taken from all 4 of these persons, sending Regina and Hook back down a dark path, and who knows what with Rumple (maybe he quits being a voice in Emma's head and becomes visible again?)  Just random speculation.

      Good point. Also, is Emma holding Excaliber on the lunchbox? Maybe these are our 5B villains.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:. Also, is Emma holding Excaliber on the lunchbox? 

      No.... she is holding her father's sword.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
       
      Good point. Also, is Emma holding Excaliber on the lunchbox? Maybe these are our 4B villains.

      Don't you mean 5B?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:. Also, is Emma holding Excaliber on the lunchbox? 
      No.... she is holding her father's sword.

      Oh well. If they ever did new promo shots they could have had her holding Excaliber. XD

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
       
      Good point. Also, is Emma holding Excaliber on the lunchbox? Maybe these are our 4B villains.
      Don't you mean 5B?

      Yes, whoops. Fixed it now. XD

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    • Or maybe Emma's heart is broken so she is 100% evil with no feels, I doubt it but still.


      One does not have to be completely devoid of feelings in order to be 100% evil. Emotions - including love - have played a major role in people completely succumbing to evil. Look at how many characters have committed evil in the name of love or for the longing of love.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Well, guys and gals, this may not actually be the 5a finale. We'll get more info on this soon, aka Adam's twitter account.

      Wait what??

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    • The Charming sharing a heart broken in two was my first thought, but then I got another idea. My guess is that the Curse that brought everyone over from Camelot will be broken, so all of the people that originated in Camelot will return there. Or maybe Merlin or someone sends them back. The how isn't super important. I think the broken heart is referring to Henry losing his first crush (love?) Violet and being heartbroken.

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    • Henry having his heart broken I think will happen earlier.

      There is one question to be answered, and that is how (and why) was the curse that brought everyone to storybrooke cast?  If it is a variation of THE dark curse (and it sure looks like it), then someone's heart got crushed.  Now, maybe with Snow and Regina's discovery about splitting hearts, they managed the same feat again, so there is another couple that is roaming around with half a heart. Otherwise, we have, so far, accounted for everyone that was originally transported to Camelot (including Granny and the Dwarves), as well as most of the people that we have encountered so far IN Camelot.

      What if the title, though, does refer to the Charming heart situation.  Going back to "A Curious Thing", Snow's comment at the time was that Snow and David were of One Heart.  What if the conflict from dealing with Emma starts to have a toll on them so that they might NOT be of one heart in terms of how to resolve that situation? 

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    • ^ Good theory. Especially if Snow doesn't trust Arthur like David does.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      http://storybrookemirror.tumblr.com/post/131092186976/x

      EQ flashback #458263?

      Probably.... Eddy and Adam hinted, that this episode would focus on Regina and Hook.

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    • This is Amy Manson's reaction when reading a script: https://i.instagram.com/p/8zvX-oDRjq/?taken-by=amymanson

      I assume it's the episode after the one they are shooting, so 5x11.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      This is Amy Manson's reaction when reading a script: https://i.instagram.com/p/8zvX-oDRjq/?taken-by=amymanson

      I assume it's the episode after the one they are shooting, so 5x11.

      Or she just posted that picture late.

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    • https://twitter.com/Celebok/status/654402218620096512

      Sooo, first big spoilers for this episode... Another one I guessed at the moment I knew there was a prop on set... Excalibur is one again :P Sounds like Emma succeeded after all :p

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      https://twitter.com/Celebok/status/654402218620096512Sooo, first big spoilers for this episode... Another one I guessed at the moment I knew there was a prop on set... Excalibur is one again :P Sounds like Emma succeeded after all :p

      I'm glad we got confirmation, but did anyone actually think we wouldn't see Excaliber whole at some point?

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    • Oh we knew it would happen, just not when :P The sword was used during a scene between Gold and Hook on the Jolly Roger :)

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Oh we knew it would happen, just not when :P The sword was used during a scene between Gold and Hook on the Jolly Roger :)

      What!?! Who's using it? Gold or Hook?

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    • We don't know. The scene is very well-hidden. Actually, we're not even sure that they were only together. Someone else could be there ^^

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      We don't know. The scene is very well-hidden. Actually, we're not even sure that they were only together. Someone else could be there ^^

      Oh, how dare they try to not let us see everything while they are filming. XD This should be interesting, at any rate.

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    • There is a theory going around the internet, that the Dark Swan does not have a heart. Which would explain, why she has such an icy persona.

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    • What if Emma crushed her own heart??  :O

      We saw Zelena survived after Rumple destroyed her body, and thus, her heart

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      What if Emma crushed her own heart??  :O

      We saw Zelena survived after Rumple destroyed her body, and thus, her heart

      And Emma being the Dark One would prevent her from dying, so it works.

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    • Of course Excalibur is Whole, not that big of a spoiler.

      And Emma isn't really icy, when she is angry at somebody that's her way of being evil, she isn't icy with Henry or Hook.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      Hook has Excalibur

      I knew it.... it was part of the Dark Swan's evil plan of evil!!!!

      Hook is wearing a spiffy new outfit. Is that the cutlass Rumple stole from Hook, when they dualed in 2.04? Also, why do I get the feeling that Gold is the Dark One again?

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    • Now this  is an awesome picture!

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    • http://hookier.tumblr.com/post/131217144729/new-pics-of-robert-colin-his-stunt-double#tumblr_notes

      Killian's name of Excalibur and Emma's on the dagger.

      Why? I just hate Hook a tiny bit more. Why is his name on the sword when Arthur had Excalibur and his name never showed up.Did he kill Arthur and that's how his name got on it?

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    • Hook has the whole sword, while Arthur only has half. According to the legend, Excalibur can only be wielded by one person.

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    • Eskaver wrote: http://hookier.tumblr.com/post/131217144729/new-pics-of-robert-colin-his-stunt-double#tumblr_notes

      Killian's name of Excalibur and Emma's on the dagger.

      Why? I just hate Hook a tiny bit more. Why is his name on the sword when Arthur had Excalibur and his name never showed up.Did he kill Arthur and that's how his name got on it?

      For when I see both Emma and Hook's names on the sword, I think one of them is going to die next episode. I don't know it, I could be wrong. But most likely the life of another is the Price that Emma has to pay.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Why? I just hate Hook a tiny bit more. Why is his name on the sword when Arthur had Excalibur and his name never showed up.Did he kill Arthur and that's how his name got on it?

      Look closely.... the props are different. It is quite possible the sword, Arthur pulled, was a fake. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Why? I just hate Hook a tiny bit more. Why is his name on the sword when Arthur had Excalibur and his name never showed up.Did he kill Arthur and that's how his name got on it?

      Look closely.... the props are different. It is quite possible the sword, Arthur pulled, was a fake. 

      It looks eactly the same. The only difference is that this is the whole sword (so literally, it has to be a different prop).

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    • No, the sword in Emma's basement has a larger design.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      No, the sword in Emma's basement has a larger design.

      It's the same sword. Lighting is the only difference.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      No, the sword in Emma's basement has a larger design.
      It's the same sword. Lighting is the only difference.

      It is not the lighting, there are two seperate swords.... Arthur's and Excalibur .

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      No, the sword in Emma's basement has a larger design.
      It's the same sword. Lighting is the only difference.
      It is not the lighting, there are two seperate swords.... Arthur's and Excalibur .

      Ok, now I can see the difference. Maybe the design just grows. I'll have to check the pic of when Arthur removed the sword. Maybe he's hiding the real one.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Ok, now I can see the difference. Maybe the design just grows. I'll have to check the pic of when Arthur removed the sword. Maybe he's hiding the real one.

      Here are two shots of the sword Arthur pulled.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      No, the sword in Emma's basement has a larger design.
      It's the same sword. Lighting is the only difference.
      It is not the lighting, there are two seperate swords.... Arthur's and Excalibur .

      I'm guessing that's just the prop department messing up, due to the props being different. It is suppost to be the same sword.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Ok, now I can see the difference. Maybe the design just grows. I'll have to check the pic of when Arthur removed the sword. Maybe he's hiding the real one.

      Here are two shots of the sword Arthur pulled.

      I think that they made it that way because of the dramatic reveal that the dagger is part of it. Probably just a goof.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      http://hookier.tumblr.com/post/131217144729/new-pics-of-robert-colin-his-stunt-double#tumblr_notes

      Killian's name of Excalibur and Emma's on the dagger.

      Why? I just hate Hook a tiny bit more. Why is his name on the sword when Arthur had Excalibur and his name never showed up.Did he kill Arthur and that's how his name got on it?

      Interesting. I'm guessing your name doesn't show up on Excaliber until it is complete. This does imply that Hook is the hero that pulls the finished Excaliber from the stone (why am I not surprised).

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      I'm guessing that's just the prop department messing up, due to the props being different. It is suppost to be the same sword.

      OUaT is probably sticking to the original legend, with the Sword in the Stone and Excalibur being two different swords.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      I'm guessing that's just the prop department messing up, due to the props being different. It is suppost to be the same sword.

      OUaT is probably sticking to the original legend, with the Sword in the Stone and Excalibur being two different swords.

      Doubt it, or they wouldn't use the exact same design.

      Arthur's sword is missing a piece that they said is the dagger. Excalibur has Emma's dagger on it. For them to be separate means that Arthur's sword is still missing a piece. So, it has to be Excalibur or you just have two broken swords.

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    • Eskaver wrote: So, it has to be Excalibur or you just have two broken swords.

      I am going with two "broken" swords.... the Sword in the Stone is a fake Excalibur.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      I'm guessing that's just the prop department messing up, due to the props being different. It is suppost to be the same sword.

      OUaT is probably sticking to the original legend, with the Sword in the Stone and Excalibur being two different swords.

      With matching handles and everything? Or are you suggesting one is a replica of the other? A few things against this: the sword Arthur pulls has magic, as it killed Sir Kay, so how do we explain that; also, Arthur is missing his sword currently, where did it go, if it's not the sword Emma has.

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    • Do you honestly think Merlin could not make a magical replica? 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Do you honestly think Merlin could not make a magical replica? 

      Well, he could, but why would he?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Do you honestly think Merlin could not make a magical replica? 
      Well, he could, but why would he?

      Exactly. HE could have made 150 replicas in the same field, but he didn't. There's no reason to make more than one. If there were two swords beforehand, it makes even less sense that they aren't even symmetrical.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Do you honestly think Merlin could not make a magical replica? 
      Well, he could, but why would he?

      There are a mulitude of reasons.... the obvious being, just how powerful the real Excalibur is when whole.

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    • Ok, Killian (or at least someone that LOOKS like Killian) wielding Excalibur (and a full Excalubur at that) has the potential to be absolutely Epic. Since the sword has both Emma's and Killian's Names on it leads me to believe that there are no Glamour spells involved, meaning it really IS Killian weilding Excalibur (Oh, is Arthur going to be pissed).  And the fact that Killian is fighting Gold once again just shows that the writers have at least a good concept of foreshadowing and continuity, despite what we all complain about to the contrary.

      And, just as a reminder, this is supposed to be the Midseason Finale (if we can trust A & E, which is debateable).  Which means that this may be the episode where Excalibur is reforged whole, and there may be some serious ramifications to having a whole excalibur that set up the back half of the season.

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    • Adam has said on Twitter that the midseason finale is the one after this one, 5x11. I think it's likely that the Excalibur reveal will happen during 5x09 (the double episode night). And then they're taking a week off for the awards show, so that would be a good cliffhanger.

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    • Can you provide the link to that Tweet?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Can you provide the link to that Tweet?

      All of it has been discussed in here including tweets:

      http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:239922

      We have come to the coclusion that 508 and 509 are airing at the same night and that 511 is midseason finale.

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    • The biggest hint about Broken Heart not being the winter finale is that it wasn't written by A&E

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      The biggest hint about Broken Heart not being the winter finale is that it wasn't written by A&E

      That could be dismissed as being because they're writing episode #100 though.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      The biggest hint about Broken Heart not being the winter finale is that it wasn't written by A&E
      That could be dismissed as being because they're writing episode #100 though.

      The episode they are writing, is it or not Broken Heart? And what do you mean by it could be dismissed as being?

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      The biggest hint about Broken Heart not being the winter finale is that it wasn't written by A&E
      That could be dismissed as being because they're writing episode #100 though.
      The episode they are writing, is it or not Broken Heart? And what do you mean by it could be dismissed as being?

      They did not write Broken Heart. They are probably writing both 511 and 512 if I had to guess though.

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    • They always write the most important episodes

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      The biggest hint about Broken Heart not being the winter finale is that it wasn't written by A&E
      That could be dismissed as being because they're writing episode #100 though.
      The episode they are writing, is it or not Broken Heart? And what do you mean by it could be dismissed as being?

      8Rob effectively stated that Broken Heart is not the winter finale because it wasn't written by A&E, correct?

      So I said, that that reason could be dismissed -- discounted -- as being because they'd be writing the 100th episode. In other words, as much as it's possible what he said -- that Broken Heart isn't the winter finale because A&E didn't write it -- it's also equally possible that it is the winter finale, and they didn't write it like they normally would because they were busy writing episode #100.

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    • Exactly, every season has a winter finale.... the 100th episode only happens once.

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    • Ok, looking back at the posts and linked tweets, A & E have said that 5x12 (the Spring Premiere) is going to be considered Episode 100, meaning that they have no regard for what ABC says the episode count is.  So regardless of what the real count is, they are going to use 5x12 as the celebration episode.

      And as to A & E not writing the midseason finale, it is true that they penned the midseason finales for seasons 3 & 4 (1 & 2 did not have a midseason finale as we have come to understand it). But that does not mean that they HAVE to be the ones to write the midseason Finale. However, since we know nothing of 5x11, it is quite possible that 5x11 will be penned by the creators.

      However, all of this is off topic, let's get back to Broken Heart, and the speculations on that episode. Which given the BTS stuff just released should be plenty to discuss.

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    • Anyone with me looking forward to that swordfight! Rooting for Rumple, anyone with me? .........Noone?

      I do think Rumple has the best swordfights out of everyone. Rumple brings the fluidity, Hook brings the soemthing, and David brings the other something. I guess David ends well, Hook begins well, and Rumple does well throught the fight.

      Hmmmm, naval officer turned pirate vs a former soldier. It's true that soldier shouldn't have fancy skill because you could just run them through with the sword.

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    • I am curious if the stunt department, had to retrain Colin how to use a sword. Hook has always fought with a cutlass, now he is wielding a longsword. 

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    • Good point.  although both weapons use the same basics as the saber.  The only difference is that a Cutlass is a single-edged blade, while a long sword is a double edged blade.  Sabre fighting in general relies on an equal amount of slashing (using the edge of the blade) and Thrusting (using the point).

      However, I'm not sure a sword fight between Gold and Killian is a fair fight.  Gold has 0 magic (as far as we know), and he's crippled.  he may or may not possess some muscle memory from sword fights he's had, but the crippled ankle is going to make it almost impossible to fight adequately.  And, without magic, I am anticipating the previously coward Rumple (though they may have updated his character by the time this fight occurs).

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    • I am pretty sure the Dark Swan will take care of Gold's ankle.... he is her puppet, after all. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      I am pretty sure the Dark Swan will take care of Gold's ankle.... he is her puppet, after all. 

      Good call.

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    • But what if the puppet lost its usefullness for her ? Then she would probably want him as weak as possible. And i,m guessing if gold and hook had a swordfight the dark swan would mind it a lot less or not at all if gold dies rather then the man she loves.

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    • SnowQueenFan1993 wrote:
      But what if the puppet lost its usefullness for her ? Then she would probably want him as weak as possible. And i,m guessing if gold and hook had a swordfight the dark swan would mind it a lot less or not at all if gold dies rather then the man she loves.

      It needs to be a fair fight.... do not underestimate, the Dark Swan's evil plan of evil.

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    • Particularly since she is learning from the master of manipulation.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Particularly since she is learning from the master of manipulation.

      Well, Rumple was that master....and had the same voices in his head.

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    • Rumple became a more talented manipulator, than all the voices in his head combined.

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    • Or he became a talented manipulator because of the voices in his head :P.

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    • The guy who plays Hook's father said on twitter that he is filming tomorrow

      That means he will be in this episode

      Thus, Hook's father is somehow connected with the Excalibur

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      The guy who plays Hook's father said on twitter that he is filming tomorrow

      That means he will be in this episode

      Thus, Hook's father is somehow connected with the Excalibur

      Yes, Hook's father jumped across time, wished on Jafar to have his sons be greatest of all time, but only Hook is alive and he gets Excalibur. Then, he wishes Jafar free and gives him his las wish and Jafar kills Hook and those he loves. Intro 5b and Hades.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:

      The guy who plays Hook's father said on twitter that he is filming tomorrow

      That means he will be in this episode

      Thus, Hook's father is somehow connected with the Excalibur

      Yes, Hook's father jumped across time, wished on Jafar to have his sons be greatest of all time, but only Hook is alive and he gets Excalibur. Then, he wishes Jafar free and gives him his las wish and Jafar kills Hook and those he loves. Intro 5b and Hades.

      You are being sarcastic to 8Rob, right?

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      The guy who plays Hook's father said on twitter that he is filming tomorrow

      That means he will be in this episode

      Thus, Hook's father is somehow connected with the Excalibur

      I don't think he is in this episode, they probably start filming 511 tommorow. I bet Adam will post the title on Twitter tommorow as well.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:

      The guy who plays Hook's father said on twitter that he is filming tomorrow

      That means he will be in this episode

      Thus, Hook's father is somehow connected with the Excalibur

      Yes, Hook's father jumped across time, wished on Jafar to have his sons be greatest of all time, but only Hook is alive and he gets Excalibur. Then, he wishes Jafar free and gives him his las wish and Jafar kills Hook and those he loves. Intro 5b and Hades.
      You are being sarcastic to 8Rob, right?

      Yes, he's being sarcastic. Everyone knows Jafar is 6A. XD

      (I'm being sarcastic as well.)

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    • Actually, Hooks Dad is likely to be in either Broken Heart, or possibly Swan Song.  In either case, We'll be introduced prior to the Hiatus. Further discussion on Hook's dad should be directed to the thread that discusses his casting, unless it has to do with Broken Heart as well.

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    • So Hook killed Merlin

      Because his name is now on Excalibur

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      So Hook killed Merlin

      Because his name is now on Excalibur

      Except when he saw the sword last week, there was no name on it.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      8Rob wrote:
      So Hook killed Merlin

      Because his name is now on Excalibur

      Except when he saw the sword last week, there was no name on it.

      I suppose with Zelena's help, she and Emma cast the same spell on him just like Zelena did to Merlin.

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    • Now that we got plot summaries for 508 and 509, I'm really wondering what this episode is going to show us. Maybe what happened to Lancelot? Among other things obviously.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: Now that we got plot summaries for 508 and 509, I'm really wondering what this episode is going to show us. Maybe what happened to Lancelot? Among other things obviously.

      Yeah last time we saw Lancelot, he escaped into the forest with Charming, Hook, and Merlin (excluding Belle and Merida who went to Merida's land).

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    • What's up with the emo-Hook??

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    • I gues this is how it goes

      -Hook is a Dark One now

      -Emma crushed Hook's heart to cast the Dark Curse

      -Hook didn't die because he is the freaking Dark One now

      -At some point, Exalibur (Hook's half, not the dagger) will be destroyed

      -Then Hook dies because his heart was crushed

      -Underworld arc

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I gues this is how it goes

      -Hook is a Dark One now

      -Emma crushed Hook's heart to cast the Dark Curse

      -Hook didn't die because he is the freaking Dark One now

      -At some point, Exalibur (Hook's half, not the dagger) will be destroyed

      -Then Hook dies because his heart was crushed

      -Underworld arc

      That's actually not a bad theory... but it would more or less be a repeat of season 3a and season 5a (season 3a, Henry is kidnapped and taken to Neverland, season 5a Emma dissapears to the enchanted forest). I'd rather not have a repeat with them having to go find and save a character every season or half season. 

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    • The promo looks amazing. There's nothing better than a vengeful pirate, I'm loving it!!

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    • Oh my $***. That's all I have to say.

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    • Nakis91 wrote:
      The promo looks amazing. There's nothing better than a vengeful pirate, I'm loving it!!

      Agreed.... and Hook has the ultimate reason to be vengeful. Emma turned him into the think he hates most, and then had the chutzpa to make everyone think it was their fault. Although, I also think, that Hook is forcing Emma to make the choice she refuses to make.

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    • I don't why would Hook want to revenge Rumple after he claimed to be the villain in that situation few episodes earlier...

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    • Farerb wrote:
      I don't why would Hook want to revenge Rumple after he claimed to be the villain in that situation few episodes earlier...

      Yeah, let's see:

      Hook acknowledges that he wronged Rumple and was a villain in his story. He loves Emma and wants her to fight the Darkness and won't accept nothingless. Then, he finds out he's a DO and he's immediately turns dark and seeks vengeance on Emma and Rumple.

      It's like they hit him on the head to hard. They knocked him back into season 2, which makes no sense. I don't like Hook, but I do know that this makes no sense for his character to do an immediate 180. If he lashed out and was like "What have you done to me?!" that would make sense, but he pretty much became literally bipolar. Plus, Why hasn't Hook in his extreme anger and emotions not used magic? Why hasn't he realized that he doesn't sleep? What is his hobby?

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    • Farerb wrote:
      I don't why would Hook want to revenge Rumple after he claimed to be the villain in that situation few episodes earlier...

      To quote Eddy and Adam.... one cannot give a pirate rum, and not expect him to drink.

      Hook needs to get get this anger out of his system, before he can kill himself. He needs to show Emma just how selfish she was, when she chose to turn him into a Dark One. From spoiler pictures, we already know that Gold survives the dual. So, obviously, Hook's temper subsided a bit.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      I don't why would Hook want to revenge Rumple after he claimed to be the villain in that situation few episodes earlier...
      To quote Eddy and Adam.... one cannot give a pirate rum, and not expect him to drink.

      Hook needs to get get this anger out of his system, before he can kill himself. He needs to show Emma just how selfish she was, when she chose to turn him into a Dark One. From spoiler pictures, we already know that Gold survives the dual. So, obviously, Hook's temper subsided a bit.

      It's not that, but the complete 180. He went from little hostility to a whole lot of hostility in two seconds. He has reason to be mad, but it was far to abrupt.

      Hook: I love you, Emma. No matter what you've done, I will always love you.

      Emma: You're a Dark One.

      Hook: What? I'm....I'm going to make you suffer for this!

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      I don't why would Hook want to revenge Rumple after he claimed to be the villain in that situation few episodes earlier...
      To quote Eddy and Adam.... one cannot give a pirate rum, and not expect him to drink.

      Hook needs to get get this anger out of his system, before he can kill himself. He needs to show Emma just how selfish she was, when she chose to turn him into a Dark One. From spoiler pictures, we already know that Gold survives the dual. So, obviously, Hook's temper subsided a bit.

      It's not that, but the complete 180. He went from little hostility to a whole lot of hostility in two seconds. He has reason to be mad, but it was far to abrupt.

      Hook: I love you, Emma. No matter what you've done, I will always love you.

      Emma: You're a Dark One.

      Hook: What? I'm....I'm going to make you suffer for this!

      I don't know if it was out of nowhere but ever since tbey returned from Camelot, Hook has been showing more anger and frustration than he normally does. My take on it is that he's been fighting off the darkness without even realizing it. As for the no sleep thing, how do we know whether or not he's been sleeping? Maybe he's been having insomnia but doesn't tell anyone about it so they can focus on saving Emma.

      Of course, this all just speculation so we'll have to see what happens next. Though I get the feeling that Hook doesn't go fully dark as the promo suggests. 

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      It's not that, but the complete 180. He went from little hostility to a whole lot of hostility in two seconds. He has reason to be mad, but it was far to abrupt.

      Not really.... Hook was hostile towards Emma most of the time, since everyone returned to Storybrooke.

      Emma is the villain here, because she took away someone else's choice. She is incredibly selfish, and will not stop until she finds another vessel. Emma justifies her decision by claiming to be saving Hook, when all she did was turn him into a monster. Be thankful, that everyone (especially Hook) is finally blaming her.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      It's not that, but the complete 180. He went from little hostility to a whole lot of hostility in two seconds. He has reason to be mad, but it was far to abrupt.

      Not really.... Hook was hostile towards Emma most of the time, since everyone returned to Storybrooke.

      Emma is the villain here, because she took away someone else's choice. She is incredibly selfish, and will not stop until she finds another vessel. Emma justifies her decision by claiming to be saving Hook, when all she did was turn him into a monster. Be thankful, that everyone (especially Hook) is finally blaming her.

      Kind of like what Hook did to David in 3A?

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    • Farerb wrote:

      Kind of like what Hook did to David in 3A?

      Different was that Hook did not force David to drink the water, and told him what the price was. David drank the Neverland waters, on his own free-will. Emma waited for Hook to die, and then turned him into a Dark One.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      It's not that, but the complete 180. He went from little hostility to a whole lot of hostility in two seconds. He has reason to be mad, but it was far to abrupt.

      Not really.... Hook was hostile towards Emma most of the time, since everyone returned to Storybrooke.

      Emma is the villain here, because she took away someone else's choice. She is incredibly selfish, and will not stop until she finds another vessel. Emma justifies her decision by claiming to be saving Hook, when all she did was turn him into a monster. Be thankful, that everyone (especially Hook) is finally blaming her.

      Hook was hostile to the Dark One inside Emma or corrupting Emma. Emma did a selfish thing, but I understand why she did something selfish. Regina got what she wanted in Robin. Snow got what she wanted in David. Belle even got Rumple. All of their partners should be dead, but they aren't. They all did something selfish to keep them, but they didn't want her to do so.

      I don't care about someone blaming Emma for being selfish. Snow was selfish splitting her heart and risking the life of her baby and Emma. Regina was selfish having Emma get drawn into darkness to save Robin. Then all of then act as if Emma doesn't get to be selfish. Why can't she have her one thing? That's perhaps why Emma was mad at them. They do selfish things but they hold her to standards they don't even achieve.

      Emma was selfish, but not a villain. Just a normal human being that does good and bad things.

      Hook did a quick turn. he came to Emma's house commited to loving her and once he saw his name on the sword he was furious at her. He'll probably get over that quickly but it's pretty out of character or rushed that he's so mad in like a millisecond. Unless the Darkness just consumed his heart, it doesn't make sense.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Unless the Darkness just consumed his heart, it doesn't make sense.

      It is probably that the Darkness is amplifying Hook's temper and impulsivity.... those are his worst personality traits. 

      Emma does deserve happiness and true love, more than anyone else on the show. It is good to know, that the writers remember that she is human. 

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    • So this episode has to show the flashback where the group in Camelot going back to SB, right?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      So this episode has to show the flashback where the group in Camelot going back to SB, right?

      That would be the obvious theory.... as the 5.11 flashback, is from before Regina enacted her curse. 


      Things for will probably find out in 5.10:

      - How the curse was cast to return everyone to Storybrooke?

      - Who put Excalibur back into the stone?

      - What exactly happened to Merlin?

      - What is Nimue's ultimate plan?

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    • I think that now there's a question of WHO cast the curse. Maybe Emma pulled a Zelena and hijacked Hook's curse or something.

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    • HP7hghrOUaTekscrrF10rrmc wrote:
      I think that now there's a question of WHO cast the curse. Maybe Emma pulled a Zelena and hijacked Hook's curse or something.

      I could see something like that happening.... whether it was Emma who hijacked Hook's curse, or the other way around.

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    • Hmmmm.... why do I get the feeling the Dark Swan put Excalibur back into the stone, to prevent Dark Hook from killing himself?

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    • That can't be because she did everything to get her hands on the whole sword again.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      That can't be because she did everything to get her hands on the whole sword again.

      A sword that conveniently had a glamour spell placed on it, so that she could lie to Hook about her plans. Emma also blamed Nimue, for stopping her from reforging the blade. Nimue has no power, and can only be channeled through the Dark One.

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    • Assuming Merlin is mortal once again, Emma could have put the sword back and cursed everyone back to SB.

      Weird part is why are the voices in Emma's head not knowing what she's doing? Dark Rumple said that they are her, but how could they be tricked? Perhaps they still think that Emma will fail?

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Weird part is why are the voices in Emma's head not knowing what she's doing? Dark Rumple said that they are her, but how could they be tricked? Perhaps they still think that Emma will fail?

      To quote Merlin.... it is easier to live with the Darkness, if you dress it up as vengeance.

      Emma failed to destroy the Darkness in Camelot, and she is still failing in Storybrooke. She selfishly turned Hook into a Dark One, and thought killing Zelena would save everyone. She is looking for shortcuts, instead of doing what needs to be done. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Weird part is why are the voices in Emma's head not knowing what she's doing? Dark Rumple said that they are her, but how could they be tricked? Perhaps they still think that Emma will fail?

      To quote Merlin.... it is easier to live with the Darkness, if you dress it up as vengeance.

      Emma failed to destroy the Darkness in Camelot, and she is still failing in Storybrooke. She selfishly turned Hook into a Dark One, and thought killing Zelena would save everyone. She is looking for shortcuts, instead of doing what needs to be done. 

      I think she's being used even though she did what she saw as good. Like Rumple, who protected his son and even ended the war and saved thousands od children, but he did so a tad selfishlly and he couldn't resist the Darkness.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      I think she's being used even though she did what she saw as good. 

      Exactly.... killing Zelena would have probably unleased the Darkness, so that it could infect everyone. Darkness feeds on people's fears, and Emma's greatest fear (similar to Nimue's) is the future.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      I think she's being used even though she did what she saw as good. 

      Exactly.... killing Zelena would have probably unleased the Darkness, so that it could infect everyone. Darkness feeds on people's fears, and Emma's greatest fear (similar to Nimue's) is the future.

      Not really. It feeds on their weakness.

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    • So we're not getting anything for this (pictures, press release, sneak peak videos) until next week I'm guessing. :(

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      So we're not getting anything for this (pictures, press release, sneak peak videos) until next week I'm guessing. :(

      Seems like it. Maybe a......something this week, but it does really seem like they are waiting for next week.

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    • Not fair though. Agents of Shield already got the next press release.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Not fair though. Agents of Shield already got the next press release.

      Well, Adam did tweet a script tease.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Not fair though. Agents of Shield already got the next press release.

      Well, Adam did tweet a script tease.

      I see that quote in the script tease was Regina's words. What did she mean by saying "This Insanity has got to stop"? Is this about what Emma did to Hook? Like they have to uncurse him from the darkness?

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Not fair though. Agents of Shield already got the next press release.
      Well, Adam did tweet a script tease.
      I see that quote in the script tease was Regina's words. What did she mean by saying "This Insanity has got to stop"? Is this about what Emma did to Hook? Like they have to uncurse him from the darkness?

      She's talking about the series. LOL...

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    • Farerb wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Not fair though. Agents of Shield already got the next press release.
      Well, Adam did tweet a script tease.
      I see that quote in the script tease was Regina's words. What did she mean by saying "This Insanity has got to stop"? Is this about what Emma did to Hook? Like they have to uncurse him from the darkness?

      She's talking about the series. LOL...

      If you think I was referring to Chameleon-Guy, it's not her. I was asking ChocolatEyes613.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Farerb wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:


      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Not fair though. Agents of Shield already got the next press release.
      Well, Adam did tweet a script tease.
      I see that quote in the script tease was Regina's words. What did she mean by saying "This Insanity has got to stop"? Is this about what Emma did to Hook? Like they have to uncurse him from the darkness?
      She's talking about the series. LOL...
      If you think I was referring to Chameleon-Guy, it's not her. I was asking ChocolatEyes613.

      What?!? I was ralking about Regina in the scriptease.

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    • NickyHelp wrote: If you think I was referring to Chameleon-Guy, it's not her. I was asking ChocolatEyes613.

      Asking me what?

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    • Holy grail of madness! Nicky, none of us knows what Regina is referring to. It's a script tease and there's no provided contxt. If you use the link, you'll see what we all see and that is Regina saying something that we don't know the context to.

      Come on, they did this a long time now, it's not a sneak peek as the link shows, just a tweet with a line or two from the upcoming episode.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote: If you think I was referring to Chameleon-Guy, it's not her. I was asking ChocolatEyes613.

      Asking me what?

      About the tweet with the tease script of Regina you informed for this coming episode. I asked what Regina meant by saying "This Insanity has got to stop"? Is this about what Emma did to Hook? Like they have to uncurse him from the darkness?

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    • Eskaver wrote: Holy grail of madness! Nicky, none of us knows what Regina is referring to. It's a script tease and there's no provided contxt. If you use the link, you'll see what we all see and that is Regina saying something that we don't know the context to.

      Come on, they did this a long time now, it's not a sneak peek as the link shows, just a tweet with a line or two from the upcoming episode.

      I know it is not a sneak peek. But it's still an exciting tease for what will be said for this episode.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Holy grail of madness! Nicky, none of us knows what Regina is referring to. It's a script tease and there's no provided contxt. If you use the link, you'll see what we all see and that is Regina saying something that we don't know the context to.

      Come on, they did this a long time now, it's not a sneak peek as the link shows, just a tweet with a line or two from the upcoming episode.

      I know it is not a sneak peek. But it's still an exciting tease for what will be said for this episode.

      Yes, but none of us knows the context. We never know the context or what is happening unless it's in a sneak peek.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Holy grail of madness! Nicky, none of us knows what Regina is referring to. It's a script tease and there's no provided contxt. If you use the link, you'll see what we all see and that is Regina saying something that we don't know the context to.

      Come on, they did this a long time now, it's not a sneak peek as the link shows, just a tweet with a line or two from the upcoming episode.

      I know it is not a sneak peek. But it's still an exciting tease for what will be said for this episode.

      Yes, but none of us knows the context. We never know the context or what is happening unless it's in a sneak peek.

      It was just a question. I wasn't expecting an exact answer from anyone.

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    • We have not a clue about the context for the script tease.  BUT...

      Since everyone at Granny's saw the dark goo run out of Merlin, and knowing the Emma's plan was to tether Killian to Excalibur, I think it is safe to say that everyone in Camelot knows that there are 2 Dark Ones. (and 2 controlling objects, since Excalibur was not yet reformed at this point.)

      Given the above assumption, the "insanity" is probably a sequence of events that caused by 2 dark ones, one of which is trying to control it (Emma) and the other that is totally out of control (Killian).  Couple that with stuff that is probably occuring due to the collusion of Zelena and Arthur, and I think Insanity probably is a fair and accurate description.

      The episode is probably going to resolve how excalibur was returned to the stone (probably by Merlin), the capture of all the memories, and the casting of the curse (my guess is Emma/Nimue crushing Merlin's heart).

      And did anyone notice in "Birth" that Emma transformed from her White Gown to the Black Leather the moment that she tethered Killian to Excalibur?

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      We have not a clue about the context for the script tease.  BUT...

      Since everyone at Granny's saw the dark goo run out of Merlin, and knowing the Emma's plan was to tether Killian to Excalibur, I think it is safe to say that everyone in Camelot knows that there are 2 Dark Ones. (and 2 controlling objects, since Excalibur was not yet reformed at this point.)

      Given the above assumption, the "insanity" is probably a sequence of events that caused by 2 dark ones, one of which is trying to control it (Emma) and the other that is totally out of control (Killian).  Couple that with stuff that is probably occuring due to the collusion of Zelena and Arthur, and I think Insanity probably is a fair and accurate description.

      The episode is probably going to resolve how excalibur was returned to the stone (probably by Merlin), the capture of all the memories, and the casting of the curse (my guess is Emma/Nimue crushing Merlin's heart).

      And did anyone notice in "Birth" that Emma transformed from her White Gown to the Black Leather the moment that she tethered Killian to Excalibur?

      Yes I didn't understand that. Why did that happen?

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:

      The episode is probably going to resolve how excalibur was returned to the stone (probably by Merlin), the capture of all the memories, and the casting of the curse (my guess is Emma/Nimue crushing Merlin's heart).

      And did anyone notice in "Birth" that Emma transformed from her White Gown to the Black Leather the moment that she tethered Killian to Excalibur?

      If Dark Hook was out of control, why would Merlin want the sword back in the stone? There is nothing to suggest, that it would negate the effects of being a Dark One, as Hook has always struggled with darkness. 

      The tranformation was to symbolize, that Emma had fully embraced the Darkness. In that moment, she gave into weakness and temptation. While she did choose love, it was a very twisted version of it. 

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote: And did anyone notice in "Birth" that Emma transformed from her White Gown to the Black Leather the moment that she tethered Killian to Excalibur?

      Yes

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      We have not a clue about the context for the script tease.  BUT...

      Since everyone at Granny's saw the dark goo run out of Merlin, and knowing the Emma's plan was to tether Killian to Excalibur, I think it is safe to say that everyone in Camelot knows that there are 2 Dark Ones. (and 2 controlling objects, since Excalibur was not yet reformed at this point.)

      Given the above assumption, the "insanity" is probably a sequence of events that caused by 2 dark ones, one of which is trying to control it (Emma) and the other that is totally out of control (Killian).  Couple that with stuff that is probably occuring due to the collusion of Zelena and Arthur, and I think Insanity probably is a fair and accurate description.

      The episode is probably going to resolve how excalibur was returned to the stone (probably by Merlin), the capture of all the memories, and the casting of the curse (my guess is Emma/Nimue crushing Merlin's heart).

      And did anyone notice in "Birth" that Emma transformed from her White Gown to the Black Leather the moment that she tethered Killian to Excalibur?

      Yes I didn't understand that. Why did that happen?

      I believe it was the final act needed for the darkness to take over. It was sacrificial for Emma, in my opinion. She knew tethering Killian would fully make her the DO, but she did it anyway to save his life.

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    • Mowgli's Road wrote:

      It was sacrificial for Emma, in my opinion. She knew tethering Killian would fully make her the DO, but she did it anyway to save his life.

      While I respect your opinion, I completely disagree. Emma justifies the act as a sacrifice, when it was actually a moment of weakness. A true sacrifice is putting another's needs before your own. Emma did not save Hook's life, she cursed him to an eternity of darkness. 

      As Prince Charming told Snow White, a long time ago.... "I would rather die, than let you fill your heart with darkness". 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Mowgli's Road wrote:

      It was sacrificial for Emma, in my opinion. She knew tethering Killian would fully make her the DO, but she did it anyway to save his life.

      While I respect your opinion, I completely disagree. Emma justifies the act as a sacrifice, when it was actually a moment of weakness. A true sacrifice is putting another's needs before your own. Emma did not save Hook's life, she cursed him to an eternity of darkness. 

      As Prince Charming told Snow White, a long time ago.... "I would rather die, than let you fill your heart with darkness". 

      That's interesting. I honestly hadn't thought about it like that before. I guess that does make more sense than being sacrificial. 

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    • After reading this I'm thinking the Dark Curse was cast to save everyone from Dark Hook

      http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/20/spoiler-room-once-upon-time-blacklist-greys-anatomy-spoilers

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      After reading this I'm thinking the Dark Curse was cast to save everyone from Dark Hook

      http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/20/spoiler-room-once-upon-time-blacklist-greys-anatomy-spoilers

      I got the impression, that JMo was referring to Hook's reaction in Storybrooke. Though, I am sure that whatever happened to Merlin, has something to do with Hook.

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    • I think it's both: back in Camelot and now in Storybrooke. 

      We saw in the promo that Hook went for Rumple to get his revenge now that their roles are inverted

      It was probably the same back in Camelot. But Rumple has not there: He was in Storybrooke. And there is only one way to go back to Storybrooke: The Dark Curse

      Maybe Hook cast the curse and Emma pulled a Zelena 

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      It was probably the same back in Camelot. But Rumple has not there: He was in Storybrooke. And there is only one way to go back to Storybrooke: The Dark Curse

      Maybe Hook cast the curse and Emma pulled a Zelena 

      There is almost no doubt, in my mind, that Hook cast the current curse.

      The question is, who's heart did Hook use? Did he somehow channel Nimue, and kill Merlin? Or did he "unsand" Guinevere, and force her to sacrifice Lancelot?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      8Rob wrote:

      It was probably the same back in Camelot. But Rumple has not there: He was in Storybrooke. And there is only one way to go back to Storybrooke: The Dark Curse

      Maybe Hook cast the curse and Emma pulled a Zelena 

      There is almost no doubt, in my mind, that Hook cast the current curse.

      The question is, who's heart did Hook use? Did he somehow channel Nimue, and kill Merlin? Or did he "unsand" Guinevere, and force her to sacrifice Lancelot?

      The heart of the thing he loves most: Emma

      She didn't die because she is the Dark One. She can only be killed by the Dagger

      Or maybe the Nimue/Merlin thing you said

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      The heart of the thing he loves most: Emma

      She didn't die because she is the Dark One. She can only be killed by the Dagger

      Emma's heart cannot be removed.... plus, A & E confirmed, that her heart is still in her body. 

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    • Maybe his own heart, if he goes back to the selfish pirate he used to be?

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    • Alex The OUaT Fan wrote:
      Maybe his own heart, if he goes back to the selfish pirate he used to be?

      Mr. Selfish Pirate was known to hurt others, for his own personal gain. Beneath all the bravado and arrogance,  he was actually quite self-loathing. 

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    • Such a great BTS picture of Dark Hook and clippy!Rumple.... Colin and Bobby probably had such a blast, filming this episode!

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    • I predict that Hook will seem no different. Just a tad more murdery and that's it.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      I predict that Hook will seem no different. Just a tad more murdery and that's it.

      Do not forget annoyed.... there is no way, Hook would not be annoyed, by having Rumplestiltskin in his head.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      I predict that Hook will seem no different. Just a tad more murdery and that's it.
      Do not forget annoyed.... there is no way, Hook would not be annoyed, by having Rumplestiltskin in his head.

      Well, it'll be hilariously acted. I just realized that it'll be a Hook and Rumple adv----I mean tag battle episode. Hook and Dark Rumple in the past and Hook and Wimpy Rumple in the present. None of them ever got along, lol.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Well, it'll be hilariously acted. 

      Bobby and Colin are really talented actors, and love to chew scenery whenever they can.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote: Well, it'll be hilariously acted. 
      Bobby and Colin are really talented actors, and love to chew scenery whenever they can.

      Well, I never get Colin much credit but let's hope he brings a new dynamic to Dark Ones and Hook as Hook was made into the DO and has no underlying desire...I mean unless it's something about emma, but I don't think he is having kind thoughts about her right now.

      Their dynamic is always fun and I hope it's a decent chunk of the episode.

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    • Colin is a really good actor

      And I bet they will explain a lot in this episode: Why Hook doesn't see the Darkness, why he didn't noticed he couldn't sleep, why he didn't have magic, etc...

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Colin is a really good actor

      And I bet they will explain a lot in this episode: Why Hook doesn't see the Darkness, why he didn't noticed he couldn't sleep, why he didn't have magic, etc...

      Because "memory " wipes all. And I'm talking about the writers' memory XD

      Hopefully we get answers, but at that rate they should have just casted the curse and Emma would be saved....well, immortal, but "saved".

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    • 8Rob wrote: Why Hook doesn't see the Darkness

      I have a theory about that.

      At the end of 5.02, the Dark Swan seemed surprised that the voices had returned. Emma probably stopped hearing them, the moment Hook started to. When he stopped for whatever reason, she began hearing them again. 

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    • Broken Heart...Charming and Snow's shared heart?

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote:
      Broken Heart...Charming and Snow's shared heart?

      Well, Emma did break a few hearts, when she took that final step into Darkness.... the main person being Hook.

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    • Another POC bites the dust......I was dreading this moment

      http://storybrookemirror.tumblr.com/post/133813803536/hookier-5x10-press-release-from-abc-advisory

      Hook and Rumple will duel in SB, In Camelot Hook kills Merlin to set the curse into motion, while Emma erases everyone's memories.

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    • Eskaver wrote: In Camelot Hook kills Merlin to set the curse into motion

      Well, well, well.... Merlin did foresee this coming to pass, he was just missing a few details. Oh, cruel Fate!

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Another POC bites the dust......I was dreading this moment

      http://storybrookemirror.tumblr.com/post/133813803536/hookier-5x10-press-release-from-abc-advisory

      Hook and Rumple will duel in SB, In Camelot Hook kills Merlin to set the curse into motion, while Emma erases everyone's memories.

      Someone at ABC should be fired for this press release. Seriously? Officially announcing that yeah, Hook killed Merlin and yeah, Hook cast whatever Curse everyone blamed on Emma? It's one thing for all the fans to suspect it and have it confirmed during an episode. It's another entirely for official sources to spoil it for us.

      Rude.

      And RIP, sexy Merlin.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote: In Camelot Hook kills Merlin to set the curse into motion
      Well, well, well.... Merlin is foresee this coming to pass, he was just missing a few details. Oh, cruel Fate!

      Couldn't I get a black person to root for? I guess I'll stick with off-screen Ursula.

      Anyway, I'm thinking that Nimue is going hardcore to subjugate Hook into her clutches in order for the Darck curse to work. But the question still is: Why does Nimue cast the curse, unless it's Hook of his own free will, but it doesn't seem like two DOs controled by the same collective entitiy would work together.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Another POC bites the dust......I was dreading this moment

      http://storybrookemirror.tumblr.com/post/133813803536/hookier-5x10-press-release-from-abc-advisory

      Hook and Rumple will duel in SB, In Camelot Hook kills Merlin to set the curse into motion, while Emma erases everyone's memories.

      Someone at ABC should be fired for this press release. Seriously? Officially announcing that yeah, Hook killed Merlin and yeah, Hook cast whatever Curse everyone blamed on Emma? It's one thing for all the fans to suspect it and have it confirmed during an episode. It's another entirely for official sources to spoil it for us.

      Rude.

      And RIP, sexy Merlin.

      Yep, I remeber that they literally said that in 5x01, watch the sneak peek, the Apprentice is dying.....oops, spoilers.

      ABC and that particular group seem to be free to spoil, even if somethings were predicted.

      Aww, I at least wanted to see him actually use his house, lol

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      But the question still is: Why does Nimue cast the curse, unless it's Hook of his own free will, but it doesn't seem like two DOs controled by the same collective entitiy would work together.

      Or Nimue just wants to kill Merlin, while Hook has some ulterior motive. Merlin's message did say, that Nimue was the key to destroying the Darkness. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      But the question still is: Why does Nimue cast the curse, unless it's Hook of his own free will, but it doesn't seem like two DOs controled by the same collective entitiy would work together.

      Or Nimue just wants to kill Merlin, while Hook has some ulterior motive. Merlin's message did say, that Nimue was the key to destroying the Darkness. 

      I would say that perhaps Nimue is trapped by her own Darkness somewhere inside. OR Merlin was being vague as usual.

      I think that Hook might have casted the curse of his own will which would explain why Exclibur came along with them inside the house. I was about to wonder why would Emma get the house and sword while he has nothing. But also Emma should be able to control him. I mean she's more powerful and has the sword plus dagger.

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    • Why did they have to kill the cute wizard!? Ah, never mind, as long as they don't kill Hook, or make him an evil dark one pirate.... Damn they did that too!?

      Well, that means everything emma did was to save everyone and to make up for her mistakes. So why she turned Sneezy to stone, made everyone believe she was evil, try to get Robin or Regina in the underworld, try to get Belle killed, take Zelena with her plan, instead of just telling everyone except Hook the truth remains a mystery. Or let's just blame everything on the darkness and call it a day, the devil made her do it. (To be honest, I think the old Emma would've done the same thing)

      But Dark!Hook is (hopefully!) gonna be a lot of fun!

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      I think that Hook might have casted the curse of his own will which would explain why Exclibur came along with them inside the house. I was about to wonder why would Emma get the house and sword while he has nothing. But also Emma should be able to control him. I mean she's more powerful and has the sword plus dagger.

      All Emma probably did, was hijack Hook's curse.

      Merlin predicted that the Dark One who kills him, would become the most powerful in history. Which would mean, that Hook is more powerful than Emma. He probably put Excalibur back into the stone, to prevent her from controlling him. 

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    • Alex The OUaT Fan wrote:
      Why did they have to kill the cute wizard!? Ah, never mind, as long as they don't kill Hook, or make him an evil dark one pirate.... Damn they did that too!?

      Well, that means everything emma did was to save everyone and to make up for her mistakes. So why she turned Sneezy to stone, made everyone believe she was evil, try to get Robin or Regina in the underworld, try to get Belle killed, take Zelena with her plan, instead of just telling everyone except Hook the truth remains a mystery. Or let's just blame everything on the darkness and call it a day, the devil made her do it. (To be honest, I think the old Emma would've done the same thing)

      But Dark!Hook is (hopefully!) gonna be a lot of fun!

      Because he's a POC and too powerful and knowledgeable....but to be serious, it's because he can become a deus ex machina, but then again the writers could simply depower him and forget about him, but it does add a tad bit of drama. Plus, it cemets evil Hook.....I wonder what his animal motif would be?

      I think they were simply writing Emma that was to confuse us. I mean even in 507 we thought Emma was totally giving in to evil befoe Merlin warned her in her mind, but she wasn't evil. So, I say that it's shoddy writing. Not bad quality, but they deliberately wrote something the opposite way so there could be a twist.

      In-show reason, Emma was struggling with the Darkness and her own plana and her light is still there, even if it's corrupted. But her family will say the DO made her do it and forgive her.....I mean it's a perfect opportunity for the group to save Rumple and see him as a better person, but I bet they wouldn't even cared if Hook killed him. Probably would only stop Hook to save Hook's goodness.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      I think that Hook might have casted the curse of his own will which would explain why Exclibur came along with them inside the house. I was about to wonder why would Emma get the house and sword while he has nothing. But also Emma should be able to control him. I mean she's more powerful and has the sword plus dagger.

      All Emma probably did, was hijack Hook's curse.

      Merlin predicted that the Dark One who kills him, would become the most powerful in history. Which would mean, that Hook is more powerful than Emma. He probably put Excalibur back into the stone, to prevent her from controlling him. 

      Nope. He said that Emma was the most powerful one. Emma also said she's more powerful than Rumple ever was. Hook simply won't be as powerful because Emma has her added magic, while ha doesn't.

      Anyhow, I'm nbanking on Emma putting the sword back in the stone which would explain why he never showed any magical powers and such in SB.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Another POC bites the dust......I was dreading this moment

      http://storybrookemirror.tumblr.com/post/133813803536/hookier-5x10-press-release-from-abc-advisory

      Hook and Rumple will duel in SB, In Camelot Hook kills Merlin to set the curse into motion, while Emma erases everyone's memories.

      Don't that "a" instead of the "e" in duel and the missing "e" in Storybrooke make you think it is fake?

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Another POC bites the dust......I was dreading this moment

      http://storybrookemirror.tumblr.com/post/133813803536/hookier-5x10-press-release-from-abc-advisory

      Hook and Rumple will duel in SB, In Camelot Hook kills Merlin to set the curse into motion, while Emma erases everyone's memories.

      Don't that "a" instead of the "e" in duel and the missing "e" in Storybrooke make you think it is fake?

      Nope, just that they didn't edit it.

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Another POC bites the dust......I was dreading this moment

      http://storybrookemirror.tumblr.com/post/133813803536/hookier-5x10-press-release-from-abc-advisory

      Hook and Rumple will duel in SB, In Camelot Hook kills Merlin to set the curse into motion, while Emma erases everyone's memories.

      Don't that "a" instead of the "e" in duel and the missing "e" in Storybrooke make you think it is fake?

      Or the fact that we have the title of the article, but not the article. XD

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    • From TV Line:

      Regina’s been pretty quiet on this season of Once Upon a Time; any scoop on what’s in store for her? –Rachel Between now and the end of the mid-season finale (airing Dec. 6), expect to lay witness to a new piece of Regina’s of past — and in turn learn that she shares a secret with another major character, one that will reverberate into the present. Also: As if the birth of Zelena’s child hasn’t already drummed up drama, you can be sure the wee one will cause some fireworks between the wicked one and her sis!

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      From TV Line:

      Regina’s been pretty quiet on this season of Once Upon a Time; any scoop on what’s in store for her? –Rachel Between now and the end of the mid-season finale (airing Dec. 6), expect to lay witness to a new piece of Regina’s of past — and in turn learn that she shares a secret with another major character, one that will reverberate into the present. Also: As if the birth of Zelena’s child hasn’t already drummed up drama, you can be sure the wee one will cause some fireworks between the wicked one and her sis!

      Shares a secret with another major character? I mean we already know every secret linking her to other mains, so I'm intrigued.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      From TV Line:

      Regina’s been pretty quiet on this season of Once Upon a Time; any scoop on what’s in store for her? –Rachel Between now and the end of the mid-season finale (airing Dec. 6), expect to lay witness to a new piece of Regina’s of past — and in turn learn that she shares a secret with another major character, one that will reverberate into the present. Also: As if the birth of Zelena’s child hasn’t already drummed up drama, you can be sure the wee one will cause some fireworks between the wicked one and her sis!

      Shares a secret with another major character? I mean we already know every secret linking her to other mains, so I'm intrigued.

      Any Main we know that she shares the secret to? Like Snow or something? I wonder if it is something bad Regina did or something. Like about Huntsman or something else.

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    • I can't believe how long they are making us wait for the press release. It better be out tomorrow.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I can't believe how long they are making us wait for the press release. It better be out tomorrow.

      I really don't get it. They could and should have released the press release as early as last week, because there was no new OUAT last night for the press release to spoil. What's frustrating is that ABC released a crap load of press releases today, with most of them being stuff that won't air until Dec 8th-13th, but they can't release a press release for something airing this Sunday? 

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    • It has to be Hook

      It's something involving his father.

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    • About that press release.... my god, spoilers much???

      I mean, just tell the whole episode already O______________O

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    • I find it utterly hilarious, that Dark Hook does not wear any leather.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      I find it utterly hilarious, that Dark Hook does not wear any leather.

      Well, maybe he has leather pants.......Probably because if he was wearing leather how would he be different.

      Even though, if evil wears leather, then Hook has always been evil.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      I find it utterly hilarious, that Dark Hook does not wear any leather.
      Well, maybe he has leather pants.......Probably because if he was wearing leather how would he be different.

      Even though, if evil wears leather, then Hook has always been evil.

      From what could tell from spoiler pics, Dark Hook wears black jeans. The odd thing, is that his shoes and belt will be brown. I bet the wardrobe department had a very difficult time, figuring out how to dress him.

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    • My thoughts:

      1. Hook reverting is not surprising in the least, despite the surprising context, nor is him going after Rumple. Just last season, the guy did it because Rumple told him there was a chance he would when his hand was restored. No magic involved, just a suggestion. The fact that Hook's response was to laugh this off and boast about his reform makes the  result even more sad. As for the Rumple thing, that was always Hook's character flaw: take his pain out on someone else.

      2. Really hope Merlin's alive. 

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    • I don't think Emma cold blooded murdered Merlin (if he's dead) I think if she is responsible, she would use him for something.

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    • Mesmermann wrote:
      I don't think Emma cold blooded murdered Merlin (if he's dead) I think if she is responsible, she would use him for something.

      Emma did not cast the curse.... Hook did.

      Avatar Beta wrote:

      Hook reverting is not surprising in the least, despite the surprising context, nor is him going after Rumple. 

      If Hook was not acting like this, then I would be worried. He just found out that his true love manipulated him, and feels completely betrayed. Everyone blamed Gold for Emma becoming the Dark One, because he found a way back into Storybrooke. It would not be surprising if the Darkness told Hook, to make Gold the vessel again. Everything would be back to normal.... Rumplestiltskin would be the Dark One, Emma would be the Savior, while Excalibur would stuck in the stone in Hook's basement away from Arthur.

      Mary Margaret: Why would Hook cast the curse?

      Emma: He wanted to put the Darkness back into Gold.

      Regina: How is that a bad thing?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Mesmermann wrote:
      I don't think Emma cold blooded murdered Merlin (if he's dead) I think if she is responsible, she would use him for something.
      Emma did not cast the curse.... Hook did.

      Who said anything about a curse? She can use him for something else. 

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    • Mesmermann wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Mesmermann wrote:
      I don't think Emma cold blooded murdered Merlin (if he's dead) I think if she is responsible, she would use him for something.
      Emma did not cast the curse.... Hook did.
      Who said anything about a curse? She can use him for something else. 

      What would Emma use Merlin for, exactly?  

      The press release says, that Hook killed Merlin to enact the curse. Emma is responsible for this, because everyone warned her against creating another Dark One. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Mesmermann wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Mesmermann wrote:
      I don't think Emma cold blooded murdered Merlin (if he's dead) I think if she is responsible, she would use him for something.
      Emma did not cast the curse.... Hook did.
      Who said anything about a curse? She can use him for something else. 
      What would Emma use Merlin for, exactly?  

      The press release says, that Hook killed Merlin to enact the curse. Emma is responsible for this, because everyone warned her against creating another Dark One. 

      Noone did that. Merlin said that it would amplify the darkness in her. Regina said that it might crreate another. Might being the key word. So, noone was sure what would happen.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Noone did that. Merlin said that it would amplify the darkness in her. Regina said that it might crreate another. Might being the key word. So, noone was sure what would happen.

      Sorry, but you must have heard incorrectly. Merlin said, that it would multiply the Darkness. While Regina said, that it would create another Dark One. Emma knew exactly what she was doing to Hook, but refused to listen to anyone. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Noone did that. Merlin said that it would amplify the darkness in her. Regina said that it might crreate another. Might being the key word. So, noone was sure what would happen.

      Sorry, but you must have heard incorrectly. Merlin said, that it would multiply the Darkness. While Regina said, that it would create another Dark One. Emma knew exactly what she was doing to Hook, but refused to listen to anyone. 

      Well, I stand corrected. But I woul;dn't care what Regina would say.

      Still say that Emma's okay because neither of them should have known what would happen because it never happened before. Because Merlin was in a tree and Regina is a mediocre witch that hasn't even studied the DO (at least Zelena has).

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    • Eskaver wrote: Because Merlin was in a tree 

      A tree who can see the future, and probably foresaw this coming to pass.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote: Because Merlin was in a tree 
      A tree who can see the future, and probably foresaw this coming to pass.

      And he didn't do anything to stop it.

      Emma, don't do this. I foresaw that "bad things" will happen and either way Hook will die. He provided no help.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote: Because Merlin was in a tree 
      A tree who can see the future, and probably foresaw this coming to pass.
      And he didn't do anything to stop it.

      Emma, don't do this. I foresaw that "bad things" will happen and either way Hook will die. He provided no help.

      I think, we can all agree that Merlin interferes in his prophecies, because he wants them to come true. On OUaT, prophecies are self-fulfilled. They also come to pass, in the most ironic ways possible. 

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    • A BTS video of the pirate ship duel, with Hook and Gold.... enjoy!

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    • My god

      The extended press release has even more spoilers

      I guess the "unsuspected evil" is the flying thing seen in the new promo


      Hades already?

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      My god

      The extended press release has even more spoilers

      I guess the "unsuspected evil" is the flying thing seen in the new promo


      Hades already?

      Flying? All I saw was recycled material.

      It's Nimue, I bet. I mean looking at the press release. Nimue and the DO gang, I bet.

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    • Here at 0:10 

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=G0LpUP8IQkQ

      I don't know what that thing is

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Here at 0:10 

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=G0LpUP8IQkQ

      I don't know what that thing is

      That;s the fury from 502 when they approached it before the Galaxy of Guardian hand holding

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    • Oh...

      Thanks! I didn't remeber the Fury attacking them

      Anyway

      There are pics of the episode already

      http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/once/gallery6/gallery11/gallery.htm

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    • 8Rob wrote: Hades already?

      Nah.... probably just Nimue.

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    • Nimue getting ressurected will be cool.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      Nimue getting ressurected will be cool.

      I doubt she's being ressurected. I think hshe's literally in Emma's head. I mean she actually physically interacted with the world and even had the ember. I believe she is real and still (at least her darkness) is alive.

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    • So now there are going to be 3 Dark Ones?!

      O_____O

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      So now there are going to be 3 Dark Ones?!

      O_____O

      I'm sure all the Dark Ones will be roaming about and reaking havoc......Well, at least Nimue. I'm assuming the rest will be free (even Dark Rumple) because it's like one of those doll inside a doll inside a doll.

      Dark Zoso is inside Dark Rumple, Dark Gorgon is inside Dark Gorgon, Dark Gorgon...........and all the way inside it all is Nimue. Her coming out might bring the rest along with her. I wonder if they all share the power or they are like a hive mind with Dark Nimue at the head.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      So now there are going to be 3 Dark Ones?!

      O_____O

      I'm sure all the Dark Ones will be roaming about and reaking havoc......Well, at least Nimue. I'm assuming the rest will be free (even Dark Rumple) because it's like one of those doll inside a doll inside a doll.

      Dark Zoso is inside Dark Rumple, Dark Gorgon is inside Dark Gorgon, Dark Gorgon...........and all the way inside it all is Nimue. Her coming out might bring the rest along with her. I wonder if they all share the power or they are like a hive mind with Dark Nimue at the head.

      Rumple is still alive, though. Wouldn't Dark Rumple just rejoin with Gold? Which of course, would be perfectly ironic.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      So now there are going to be 3 Dark Ones?!

      O_____O

      I'm sure all the Dark Ones will be roaming about and reaking havoc......Well, at least Nimue. I'm assuming the rest will be free (even Dark Rumple) because it's like one of those doll inside a doll inside a doll.

      Dark Zoso is inside Dark Rumple, Dark Gorgon is inside Dark Gorgon, Dark Gorgon...........and all the way inside it all is Nimue. Her coming out might bring the rest along with her. I wonder if they all share the power or they are like a hive mind with Dark Nimue at the head.

      Rumple is still alive, though. Wouldn't Dark Rumple just rejoin with Gold? Which of course, would be perfectly ironic.

      It depends. Dark Rumple would just be his Darkness and the HG magic combined in living form. He probably wouldn't rejoin. I mean Zoso's other half is likely a pile of dust and bones in the Enchanted Forest and I doubt he'll be going over there and rejoining.

      Now, perhaps Rumple will do it willingly and such, but then it sort of makes much of this season and the ending of last to be nil. It's like saying, "Let's get the DO and darkenss out of Rumple, let blank Rumple do a little good and become pure of heart, then let's dump all that darkness back in." I'd take organic redemption over that any day!

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    • Press release and cast list look good (and thankfully Lancelot is in). Also, I'm happy this appears to be the last "6 weeks ago in Camelot" flashback we are getting, they are starting to get tiring.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Press release and cast list look good (and thankfully Lancelot is in). Also, I'm happy this appears to be the last "6 weeks ago in Camelot" flashback we are getting, they are starting to get tiring.

      Actually, as of Birth, it's three weeks ago in Camelot. Which makes me wonder... Were they there for three more weeks during which Dark Hook went ballistic, or has it been three weeks since they came back? Neither option sounds realistic. At all.

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    • The sneak peak doesn't make sense.

      It doesn't make sense that Hook couldn't see Rumple in Storybrooke now that we know he had appeared to him in Camelot.

      It doesn't make sense that suddenly he wants revenge again after 2 seasons and a half it wasn't on his mind and espacially after 503.

      What is going on?!?

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    • They are going to explain that in the episode

      And remember.... Rumple tried to kill Hook again in 4x11

      And he tried to turn Emma into the darkness during 4B


      I'm not surprised he wants a revenge again

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      I'm not surprised he wants a revenge again

      Me neither.... it would not even surprise me, if Hook just wants to turn Gold back into the Dark One. Everything was going well in Storybrooke, until Gold found a way back into town. Colin said that like all Dark Ones, Hook has his own hidden agenda.

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    • My gosh, that was wonderfully acted.

      "Hi" by Robert Carlyle was hilarious and almost meek sounding. Like a nervous fan, lol.

      Loved the interaction, but Hook still wanting revenge....I would say it makes no sense because he gave up a long time ago, but then again Rumple......with the Darkness inside, did more evil deeds towards him and the one person that he cares about besides himself.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      My gosh, that was wonderfully acted.

      "Hi" by Robert Carlyle was hilarious and almost meek sounding. Like a nervous fan, lol.

      Loved the interaction, but Hook still wanting revenge....I would say it makes no sense because he gave up a long time ago, but then again Rumple......with the Darkness inside, did more evil deeds towards him and the one person that he cares about besides himself.

      And I wouldn't have had a problem with it if Hook hadn't given that whole "I was a villain, he was a victim" speech to Emma in 503.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      My gosh, that was wonderfully acted.

      "Hi" by Robert Carlyle was hilarious and almost meek sounding. Like a nervous fan, lol.

      Loved the interaction, but Hook still wanting revenge....I would say it makes no sense because he gave up a long time ago, but then again Rumple......with the Darkness inside, did more evil deeds towards him and the one person that he cares about besides himself.

      And I wouldn't have had a problem with it if Hook hadn't given that whole "I was a villain, he was a victim" speech to Emma in 503.

      I will give them a plus if the writers didn't write in absolutes. It would just mean that Hook has never forgiven Rumple, ever!

      You see it when he denies Rumple the rights to forgiveness that he was willing to give Emma claiming that it isn't "Emma", even though, he would know that DO Rumple isn't the same as the Rumple he knew before. He even still calls him "Crocodile" at every turn and not in an endearing way.

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    • Farerb wrote:

      And I wouldn't have had a problem with it if Hook hadn't given that whole "I was a villain, he was a victim" speech to Emma in 503.

      Actually, OUaT is probably doing a callback to that scene. The Darkness feeds on the vessel's weakness and fears. Hook needs to face this final demon, if he truly wants to heal. 

      On a separate note.... I really like how Colin is playing Dark Hook, in the sneak peek. Hook is well aware that he is talking to himself, and he sounds manic and desperate to make it stop. Paired with the black rags, he looks like a New York City hobo. 

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    • Wait, if during "Birth" the Camelot flashback said 3 weeks ago, it means the one in "Broken Heart" will span over 20 days? Since it's the last Camelot flashback...

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    • That makes no sence, unless it was a mistake in editing.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Wait, if during "Birth" the Camelot flashback said 3 weeks ago, it means the one in "Broken Heart" will span over 20 days? Since it's the last Camelot flashback...

      It is probably that, everyone has been back in Storybrooke for a few weeks. OUaT did a similar thing in 4.17, by stating that 3 weeks had passed in Storybrooke. The characters have lives, other than what we see on screen. 

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    • OMG.... Dark!Hook might be even funnier, than Shattered Sight!Regina. The second sneak peek was the most hilarious thing, I have seen in a very long time.

      Anyone else thinking that OUaT is just playing Dark Hook for laughs, similar to the Spell of Shattered Sight?

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    • So while Dark!Emma was (maybe subconsciously) reminiscent of Ingrid, Dark!Hook is clearly emulating Rumple. And I love it, dearie. Colin's at his sexiest when he's at his scariest. And mimicking Rumple's impish antics was quite terrifying. LOL

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Wait, if during "Birth" the Camelot flashback said 3 weeks ago, it means the one in "Broken Heart" will span over 20 days? Since it's the last Camelot flashback...

      It is probably that, everyone has been back in Storybrooke for a few weeks. OUaT did a similar thing in 4.17, by stating that 3 weeks had passed in Storybrooke. The characters have lives, other than what we see on screen. 

      Right. I forgot time passed in Storybrooke too.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      OMG.... Dark!Hook might be even funnier, than Shattered Sight!Regina. The second sneak peek was the most hilarious thing, I have seen in a very long time.

      Anyone else thinking that OUaT is just playing Dark Hook for laughs, similar to the Spell of Shattered Sight?

      Yes

      And it's quite lame IMO

      Same with the Spell of Shattered Sight

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      OMG.... Dark!Hook might be even funnier, than Shattered Sight!Regina. The second sneak peek was the most hilarious thing, I have seen in a very long time.

      Anyone else thinking that OUaT is just playing Dark Hook for laughs, similar to the Spell of Shattered Sight?

      Yes

      And it's quite lame IMO

      Same with the Spell of Shattered Sight

      If I lived in Storybrooke; Dark Hook would be terrifying, because he is completely unhinged and suicidal. As an viewer, it is just downright hilarious to watch.

      Judging by the sneak peeks.... back in Camelot, Dark Hook was more dangerous. It is probaby only in Storybrooke, that it will be played for laughs. I would love to see the outtakes from this episode, because I doubt anyone was able to keep a straight face.

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    • Oh my God I love Dark Hook and myyyy myyy he's wearing a casual jacket?? how nice 

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    • Dark!Hook is amazing!

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    • Dark Hook makes me think regular Hook got frunk and just so happened to stumble into Rumple's shop. Chances are he was, lol. Drunk with power.

      Hook and Rumple tend to have great moments together, so I say this episode that it'll at least be good because of the acting and fun-fun.

      I just hope Hook gets the DO skin change because I'm tired of these pwetty peeps not getting the DO skin in the EF. Giving into Darkenss should be their change, not killing someone, because that's stupid. Just like Zeledna turned green when she gave into her jealousy, so should Dark Hook and Emma. It's maddening that Emma turned Dark, gave into selfishness, but looks no different than in SB.

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    • Eskaver wrote: It's maddening that Emma turned Dark, gave into selfishness, but looks no different than in SB.

      Seriously.... since when did Emma have ugly, white helmet hair? The Dark Swan is how she manifested, once she fully gave into Darkness. On the other hand, the crocodile skin is what made Rumplestiltskin so oddly attractive.

      Regarding Dark Hook.... there is no doubt, that Colin is playing him as a drunk and psychotic New York City hobo. I have seen, people like this everyday on my way to work. The only difference, is that his cloths are very nice.

      In hindsight, is seems (to me, at least) that JMo was taking herself way too seriously as the Dark Swan. It is almost like she was think, "I am a serious method actor" or something like that. Whereas, both Bobby and Colin were thinking, "Screw all the acting rules, let's just have fun!" when playing the Dark One.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote: It's maddening that Emma turned Dark, gave into selfishness, but looks no different than in SB.
      Seriously.... since when did Emma have ugly, white helmet hair? The Dark Swan is how she manifested, once she fully gave into Darkness. On the other hand, the crocodile skin is what made Rumplestiltskin so oddly attractive.

      Regarding Dark Hook.... there is no doubt, that Colin is playing him as a drunk and psychotic New York City hobo. I have seen, people like this everyday on my way to work. The only difference, is that his cloths are very nice.

      In hindsight, is seems (to me, at least) that JMo was taking herself way too seriously as the Dark Swan. It is almost like she was think, "I am a serious method actor" or something like that. Whereas, both Bobby and Colin were thinking, "Screw all the acting rules, let's just have fun!" when playing the Dark One.

      I'm talking about SB Dark Swan. Your skin changes in the EF when you give into Darkness and that's what Emma did. Rumple gave into Darkness when as he killed Zoso, Nimue gave into Darkness when she decided to take her revenge. Even Zelena who isn't a dark One had sking change once she fully gave into her jealousy. If giving into Darkness causes the change, then Emma should be scaly right now. If Nimue can do it, so should Emma. Hook should defintiely do it too once he gives into Darkness (probably killing Merlin).

      I think Bobby takes several things into account when he plays DO Rumple. He still uses his son as inspiraton for the voice and such, which is probably why I found that "Hi?" so adorable, plus it sort of shows inner Rumple still being a child at heart and Rumple (and even Mr. Gold) throw temper tantrums at points in their life. Then again, Rumple is the son of Peter Pan.

      I value JMO for doing research and stuff, but I feel that it was partially in vain. I think JMO took serious about becoming a villain, but the writers took it for laughs and jokes. Colin is simply doing pirate Hook with a little Rumple flair, which is probably some mental breakdown for Hook as he's becoming the thing that he hated the most. To each, their own way.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      I think Bobby takes several things into account when he plays DO Rumple. He still uses his son as inspiraton for the voice and such, which is probably why I found that "Hi?" so adorable, plus it sort of shows inner Rumple still being a child at heart and Rumple (and even Mr. Gold) throw temper tantrums at points in their life. Then again, Rumple is the son of Peter Pan.

      I value JMO for doing research and stuff, but I feel that it was partially in vain. I think JMO took serious about becoming a villain, but the writers took it for laughs and jokes. Colin is simply doing pirate Hook with a little Rumple flair, which is probably some mental breakdown for Hook as he's becoming the thing that he hated the most. To each, their own way.

      Interesting that you say, JMo's research was done in vain. I think, the Dark Swan was nothing more than her vanity project. She was taking herself so seriously, that her performance translated as unintentionally funny. She is a good actress, but she has made this mistake in the past. 

      I love that Bobby used his young son, as inspiration for Rumplestiltskin. Playing the character as a giant man-child, is probably what influenced the writers to make Peter Pan his father. Colin is absolutely just playing pirate Hook, having a psychotic break. That he is spoofing Rumplestiltskin, makes perfect sense. However, neither one of them, takes themselves too seriously. They are just having fun, by giving an over the top performance. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      I think Bobby takes several things into account when he plays DO Rumple. He still uses his son as inspiraton for the voice and such, which is probably why I found that "Hi?" so adorable, plus it sort of shows inner Rumple still being a child at heart and Rumple (and even Mr. Gold) throw temper tantrums at points in their life. Then again, Rumple is the son of Peter Pan.

      I value JMO for doing research and stuff, but I feel that it was partially in vain. I think JMO took serious about becoming a villain, but the writers took it for laughs and jokes. Colin is simply doing pirate Hook with a little Rumple flair, which is probably some mental breakdown for Hook as he's becoming the thing that he hated the most. To each, their own way.

      Interesting that you say, JMo's research was done in vain. I think, the Dark Swan was nothing more than her vanity project. She was taking herself so seriously, that her performance translated as unintentionally funny. She is a good actress, but she has made this mistake in the past. 

      I love that Bobby used his young son, as inspiration for Rumplestiltskin. Playing the character as a giant man-child, is probably what influenced the writers to make Peter Pan his father. Colin is absolutely just playing pirate Hook, having a psychotic break. That he is spoofing Rumplestiltskin, makes perfect sense. However, neither one of them,  takes themselves too seriously. They are just having fun, by giving an over the top performance. 

      The show took a slight change from the beginning. JMO is the lead actress (well character wise) of the show. She is the main character and it's best that she ups her game for any part she plays in the show. She should always try to improve where it needs to be done.

      I think it's partially erroneous that say that Bobby and Colin don't try. They do. They don't purposefully just do fun stuff and such. I'll give an example. I think Rebecca is usually described as a mediocre actress, but she thrives at playing Zelena because she really knows how to chew the scenery to shreds, but she also can play the over the top crazy "crazy eyes" well. Lana as well and Bobby show they they do little manipulations and it changes greatly in their characters that make it wonderful. I think Colin does a great job, but he plays a smaller range well, like Rebecca.

      But as I said their was a tone change in the show from mostly serious to mostly campy fun-fun. Many people thought Bobby was so done with the show in like season 4. I would say that the Once show took a big jump to campy fun from season 3. Season 4 is like the perfect example. Ingrid was a serious villain. Rumple was serious. They interacted seriously and you might even get chills from their performances. But everything else around them was silly. The Spell of SS was silly. You had walking, talking Disney characters. Rumple was playing with Mickey's hat. And much, much more.

      I think JMO simply overprepared for a "serious, dark performance" as the main character actually complexingly turns dark, when Once was only like that for the first season and trailed off sense. So, she didn't need to do all of that, but I still value that she gave an effort, especially when she has to be amongst the other villians of the show.

      I took Dark Swan to be serious, but the writers didn't write her how she was acting...or rather JMO acted Emma a tad higher than the writing around her character.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      I think JMO simply overprepared for a "serious, dark performance" as the main character actually complexingly turns dark, when Once was only like that for the first season and trailed off sense. So, she didn't need to do all of that, but I still value that she gave an effort, especially when she has to be amongst the other villians of the show.

      I took Dark Swan to be serious, but the writers didn't write her how she was acting...or rather JMO acted Emma a tad higher than the writing around her character.

      That is the problem with method acting, in general.

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    • ItachiIshtar wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      That is not the 100th episode. That's the 99th episode.
      Adam has gone back on what he said about Smash the Mirror previously, and they're now considering it 2 episodes. He has also stated specifically that the first half of Season 5 would only be 10 episodes long, so that the 100th episode can be the Spring premiere. So 10 episodes for the Fall, and 12 episodes for the Spring. So yeah, 510 is only the 99th episode. 

      Broke heart is the 98th episode and it premieres on November 29 and Swan song the 99th episodes will premiere a week later on December 6

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    • Colin O'Donoghue talks about his turn as Dark Hook. What is Nimue's ultimate goal.... does she want to destroy the world or just wants her spirit to move on?

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    • It seems the Hook/Regina "adventure" will be in this episode

      So, it seems it was during the Camelot time


      What a let down

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      It seems the Hook/Regina "adventure" will be in this episode

      So, it seems it was during the Camelot time


      What a let down

      What are you talking about? I'm sure it is next episode.

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    • Honestly, my hype for the next few episodes has gone through the floor. Especially after seeing the latest preview with Emma tied up on the sofa with her sad face on. So much for the Dark Swan... instead we get Relapse Action Figure Hook. But I see the fangirls are already foaming at the mouth over it and of course that's what's important. Meanwhile we have a whiny Emma who just wanted to do the right thing for her twue wuv. Should've known they wouldn't let her be straight up evil and badass. Seriously, she's lame; I'm actually embarassed for her. "Most powerful Dark One of all" my ass; Belle is more threatening at this point! 

      "Captain Dark One"... URGH.

      I hate that there is more than one dark one and that the power can just be shared now, that makes being The Dark One far less cool in my opinion. Also we've now got Hook, Arthur and Nimue as antagonists and we've seen before what happens when Once tries to balance multiple villains. Anyway, I'll finish the arc, but at the moment I'm feeling the same way I did watching Charmed season 5- watching it out of curiosity more than genuine enjoyment. 

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    • P3nathan wrote:
      Honestly, my hype for the next few episodes has gone through the floor. Especially after seeing the latest preview with Emma tied up on the sofa with her sad face on. So much for the Dark Swan... instead we get Relapse Action Figure Hook. But I see the fangirls are already foaming at the mouth over it and of course that's what's important. Meanwhile we have a whiny Emma who just wanted to do the right thing for her twue wuv. Should've known they wouldn't let her be straight up evil and badass. Seriously, she's lame; I'm actually embarassed for her. "Most powerful Dark One of all" my ass; Belle is more threatening at this point! 

      "Captain Dark One"... URGH.

      I hate that there is more than one dark one and that the power can just be shared now, that makes being The Dark One far less cool in my opinion. Also we've now got Hook, Arthur and Nimue as antagonists and we've seen before what happens when Once tries to balance multiple villains. Anyway, I'll finish the arc, but at the moment I'm feeling the same way I did watching Charmed season 5- watching it out of curiosity more than genuine enjoyment. 

      Yep, at those fangirls foaming at the mouth over Hook and his rise in prominence over the next several episodes. Didn't you know? It was never about Emma. It was always about Hook's man pain and his angst.

      The DO stuff I sort of expected (Kidding, I had high hopes) but I was aware I might not like what they would do. Their track record shows that anything cool and sinister gets diluted and trivialized, like the Dark Curse, like realm jumping, and Emma's real world experience (which apparently was so Fairytaled involved).

      As I said in my JMO post on this thread, it appears as JMO prepared for something more serious than what it turned out to be.

      Multiple antagonists have always occured in Once so it's not really new. (Except season 3) Emma was a main character and I knew wasn't the vilain. It was the DO (or in this case Nimue). Arthur was the minor antagonist that they usually have. Hook is more of a bridge into next arc.

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    • P3nathan wrote: Honestly, my hype for the next few episodes has gone through the floor. Especially after seeing the latest preview with Emma tied up on the sofa with her sad face on. So much for the Dark Swan... instead we get Relapse Action Figure Hook. But I see the fangirls are already foaming at the mouth over it and of course that's what's important. Meanwhile we have a whiny Emma who just wanted to do the right thing for her twue wuv. Should've known they wouldn't let her be straight up evil and badass. Seriously, she's lame; I'm actually embarassed for her. "Most powerful Dark One of all" my ass; Belle is more threatening at this point! 

      "Captain Dark One"... URGH.

      I hate that there is more than one dark one and that the power can just be shared now, that makes being The Dark One far less cool in my opinion. Also we've now got Hook, Arthur and Nimue as antagonists and we've seen before what happens when Once tries to balance multiple villains. Anyway, I'll finish the arc, but at the moment I'm feeling the same way I did watching Charmed season 5- watching it out of curiosity more than genuine enjoyment. 

      You forgot Zelena. We have four villains in our hands now. Hook, Arthur, Nimue, and Zelena.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      P3nathan wrote:
      Honestly, my hype for the next few episodes has gone through the floor. Especially after seeing the latest preview with Emma tied up on the sofa with her sad face on. So much for the Dark Swan... instead we get Relapse Action Figure Hook. But I see the fangirls are already foaming at the mouth over it and of course that's what's important. Meanwhile we have a whiny Emma who just wanted to do the right thing for her twue wuv. Should've known they wouldn't let her be straight up evil and badass. Seriously, she's lame; I'm actually embarassed for her. "Most powerful Dark One of all" my ass; Belle is more threatening at this point! 

      "Captain Dark One"... URGH.

      I hate that there is more than one dark one and that the power can just be shared now, that makes being The Dark One far less cool in my opinion. Also we've now got Hook, Arthur and Nimue as antagonists and we've seen before what happens when Once tries to balance multiple villains. Anyway, I'll finish the arc, but at the moment I'm feeling the same way I did watching Charmed season 5- watching it out of curiosity more than genuine enjoyment. 

      Yep, at those fangirls foaming at the mouth over Hook and his rise in prominence over the next several episodes. Didn't you know? It was never about Emma. It was always about Hook's man pain and his angst.

      The DO stuff I sort of expected (Kidding, I had high hopes) but I was aware I might not like what they would do. Their track record shows that anything cool and sinister gets diluted and trivialized, like the Dark Curse, like realm jumping, and Emma's real world experience (which apparently was so Fairytaled involved).

      As I said in my JMO post on this thread, it appears as JMO prepared for something more serious than what it turned out to be.

      Multiple antagonists have always occured in Once so it's not really new. (Except season 3) Emma was a main character and I knew wasn't the vilain. It was the DO (or in this case Nimue). Arthur was the minor antagonist that they usually have. Hook is more of a bridge into next arc.

      What about Zelena?

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      It seems the Hook/Regina "adventure" will be in this episode

      So, it seems it was during the Camelot time


      What a let down

      They've stated that Regina's adventure with Hook is during her Evil Queen days. And in a set photo a few months ago, Lana posed in her dress from "Queen Of Hearts". The adventure will take place during the far, far past. ;)

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    • I can't wait for this next episode. Is it shameful for me to say that I like everything around the episode, or rather the parts, but not the whole? Nothing shallow like only one character or for the campy-fun fun. Like I'm looking forward to the implications, the wonderful scenes between the Hook-Rumple rivalry which should be ending eventually. Oh and Nimue. Everything else is pretyt much extra.

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    • I can't at Snow and Regina both looking disapprovingly at Emma for using magic to keep Hook alive when they both did the same thing. Snow made Regina split Snow's heart in half to sustain Charming after he'd been Dark Curse'd, while Regina wanted Frankenstein to revive Daniel and used Dark Swan to keep Robin alive.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I can't at Snow and Regina both looking disapprovingly at Emma for using magic to keep Hook alive when they both did the same thing. Snow made Regina split Snow's heart in half to sustain Charming after he'd been Dark Curse'd, while Regina wanted Frankenstein to revive Daniel and used Dark Swan to keep Robin alive.

      They are different. Emma turned Hook into the very thing he hates (and it was against his wishes). That will risk the lives of others (like Rumple).

      Snow and Charming is different. Snow was right about one thing. There hearts are as one, and it worked. And ever since Snow was poisoned by the poison apple, Charming acted as though he feels her pain inside him and can tell Regina did something terrible to her. Snowing is gifted. And they didn't risk the lives of others for that.

      Regina begged Emma to help Robin, and Emma did it by choice. She didn't anyone else's lives (excluding Robin's and hers during the fury incident).

      So clearly Emma's actions and mistake would cause consequences.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      Snow and Charming is different. Snow was right about one thing. There hearts are as one, and it worked. And ever since Snow was poisoned by the poison apple, Charming acted as though he feels her pain inside him and can tell Regina did something terrible to her. Snowing is gifted. And they didn't risk the lives of others for that.

      Of course she did. The baby. 

      She was pregnant when that happened

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Snow and Charming is different. Snow was right about one thing. There hearts are as one, and it worked. And ever since Snow was poisoned by the poison apple, Charming acted as though he feels her pain inside him and can tell Regina did something terrible to her. Snowing is gifted. And they didn't risk the lives of others for that.

      Of course she did. The baby. 

      She was pregnant when that happened

      The baby doesn't count. The baby would probably die if Snow's heart or half her heart she keeps would be crushed.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      8Rob wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Snow and Charming is different. Snow was right about one thing. There hearts are as one, and it worked. And ever since Snow was poisoned by the poison apple, Charming acted as though he feels her pain inside him and can tell Regina did something terrible to her. Snowing is gifted. And they didn't risk the lives of others for that.

      Of course she did. The baby. 

      She was pregnant when that happened

      The baby doesn't count. The baby would probably die if Snow's heart or half her heart she keeps would be crushed.

      Snow had no idea if breaking her heart in two would bring Charming back or if it would kill her. If it did kill her, Regina could've realistically carved her open like a Thanksgiving turkey and saved Neal, but Once would never go that dark, so they'd let Neal die alongside her.

      So yeah, she risked her own life and the life of her child to save her husband.

      Also, I saw you respond to Snowing and Outlaw Queen, but you can't deny that the show did the same thing for Stable Queen, as I said. For Regina to bring Daniel back, she'd needed another's heart. And from Daniel's reaction in Storybrooke, he certainly didn't want it.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      The baby doesn't count. 

      =O

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      8Rob wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      Snow and Charming is different. Snow was right about one thing. There hearts are as one, and it worked. And ever since Snow was poisoned by the poison apple, Charming acted as though he feels her pain inside him and can tell Regina did something terrible to her. Snowing is gifted. And they didn't risk the lives of others for that.

      Of course she did. The baby. 

      She was pregnant when that happened

      The baby doesn't count. The baby would probably die if Snow's heart or half her heart she keeps would be crushed.

      Snow had no idea if breaking her heart in two would bring Charming back or if it would kill her. If it did kill her, Regina could've realistically carved her open like a Thanksgiving turkey and saved Neal, but Once would never go that dark, so they'd let Neal die alongside her.

      So yeah, she risked her own life and the life of her child to save her husband.

      Also, I saw you respond to Snowing and Outlaw Queen, but you can't deny that the show did the same thing for Stable Queen, as I said. For Regina to bring Daniel back, she'd needed another's heart. And from Daniel's reaction in Storybrooke, he certainly didn't want it.

      I didn't deny anything about Danial. It was a little dark to take another's heart to put it in Danial. It may have worked but it did last or end well. And like you said and reminded me, Danial didn't want it. Emma's stunt to Hook was kind of similar to Regina's stunt to Danial (Only Emma's was worse). And like Danial, it didn't and might not end well.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      It seems the Hook/Regina "adventure" will be in this episode

      So, it seems it was during the Camelot time


      What a let down

      What are you talking about? I'm sure it is next episode.

      No. It will be in this episode:

      http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/27/spoiler-room-flash-htgawm-arrow-spoilers

      It says there is a surprising connection between Hook and Regina

      Maybe there is some time travel involved and papa Hook is Regina's real father or something

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      It seems the Hook/Regina "adventure" will be in this episode

      So, it seems it was during the Camelot time


      What a let down

      What are you talking about? I'm sure it is next episode.
      No. It will be in this episode:

      http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/27/spoiler-room-flash-htgawm-arrow-spoilers

      It says there is a surprising connection between Hook and Regina

      Maybe there is some time travel involved and papa Hook is Regina's real father or something

      That would be terible.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      It seems the Hook/Regina "adventure" will be in this episode

      So, it seems it was during the Camelot time


      What a let down

      What are you talking about? I'm sure it is next episode.
      No. It will be in this episode:

      http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/27/spoiler-room-flash-htgawm-arrow-spoilers

      It says there is a surprising connection between Hook and Regina

      Maybe there is some time travel involved and papa Hook is Regina's real father or something

      They could be talking about 511, and just worded it weird. Or she made a mistake. Because we already have a full episode between Camelot of 6 week's ago flashback, and SB present day, so if Hook and Regina had a before the Dark Curse flashback it would only be one scene (which I guess is possible, but seems unlikely).

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      It seems the Hook/Regina "adventure" will be in this episode

      So, it seems it was during the Camelot time


      What a let down

      What are you talking about? I'm sure it is next episode.
      No. It will be in this episode:

      http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/27/spoiler-room-flash-htgawm-arrow-spoilers

      It says there is a surprising connection between Hook and Regina

      Maybe there is some time travel involved and papa Hook is Regina's real father or something

      They could be talking about 511, and just worded it weird. Or she made a mistake. Because we already have a full episode between Camelot of 6 week's ago flashback, and SB present day, so if Hook and Regina had a before the Dark Curse flashback it would only be one scene (which I guess is possible, but seems unlikely).

      Unless the andventure is getting the curse ready. You never know, they could get in surcomstances in which the DC is the only way out. But I hope not, then it would really be 3B all over again.

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    • I had a dream that this episode wouldn't end the Camelot flashbacks, and we had to wait until 5x11 to see how they set the curse, which is most likely false, considering the press release says the events in Camelot catch up with the present. In my dream I also saw that Belle is gonna disappear...

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    • The adventure is 5x11 Swan Song. So, stop discussing it here. Lol, it's a bit harsh, but the press release tell us how many layers there will be and it would mention an adventure as that. Only Regina, Snow and someone are going on an adventure in this episode.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      I had a dream that this episode wouldn't end the Camelot flashbacks, and we had to wait until 5x11 to see how they set the curse, which is most likely false, considering the press release says the events in Camelot catch up with the present. In my dream I also saw that Belle is gonna disappear...

      Well, all that will happen in the next episode 5x11. Congrats on becoming psychic!

      (But no, I'm serious. Those things will happen, just not in that partibular fashion. Setting the curse is 5x10, Belle disappearing into the background somehow is 5x11 when noone notices.)

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      The baby doesn't count. 

      =O

      I meant the baby doesn't count for being risked. Don't be funny with me.

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    • Just realized why the sneak peaks rubbed me the wrong way after a rewatch.

      Colin's a decent actor at best but in the first one his Jack Sparrow impression was strong. Not that that is a bad thing, but it doesn't do any positives in my mind. In the second one, I would say that it was a bit lower then typical Colin quality because that direction is off. I don't know if I'm alone on this one, but Rumple seemed more menacing and intimidating (even if it was faking it) than Hook.

      Lastly, I realized where the writers should have taken Regina's character. Regina should have been more subtle and more sad-angry as that's when Lana shines and when the EQ is more vicious.Lana does love angry, snarky and OTT and while she does well, it doesn't make much sense in character.

      A slight aside, but Regina was raised by Cora and Madam Mayor and sad-angry Regina have always made sense, but then she progressively became more OTT as the show progressed. Zelena being OTT makes sense, but Regina should have been a tad more subtle and that would have improved the character journey, but probably wouldn't be a fun.

      Anyhow, that sneak peek was alright, but it feels to me that the writers have dumped the blame of stupid plot on Emma. Emma would never have been this stupid and she would never have saiod a sentence that made the least amount of sense since Emma's "I'll not let this be in vain" (which did not fit Emma's character to say those words). Having Emma say that she didn't have someone to call her out on such a stupid plan and to give her hope literally makes no sense because she isolated herself. This is making MM from season 3b look like a genius.

      I look forward to the episode, but it's already cranking up the analytic machine in me.

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    • OTT?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      OTT?

      Over the top

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Anyhow, that sneak peek was alright, but it feels to me that the writers have dumped the blame of stupid plot on Emma. Emma would never have been this stupid and she would never have saiod a sentence that made the least amount of sense since Emma's "I'll not let this be in vain" (which did not fit Emma's character to say those words). Having Emma say that she didn't have someone to call her out on such a stupid plan and to give her hope literally makes no sense because she isolated herself. 

      It is just Emma justifying herself.... nothing more. Regina, Hook, and Gold all called her out, during the course of the arc. She just chose not to listen to any of them, and also chose to listen to the Darkness within. It would not surprise me, if Emma decided to murder Zelena back in Camelot.

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    • Honestly, Emma's plan was pretty good.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Honestly, Emma's plan was pretty good.

      Really.... how was premeditated murder, going to destroy the Darkness?

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    • Emma's plan would work. The Corrupted Holy Grail magic would have been destroyed. Who cares is Emma would get a Dark spot because she technically can't get a dark spot and even if she did she could fix that by doing good stuff as Snow has shown.

      Douing bad to save the greater good is perfectly fine. If I were her I would have done the same thing but a bit more effectively.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Emma's plan would work.

      Exactly. Worst-case scenario, Emma gets all of Zelena's darkness, through the killing of DO!Zelena which is irrelevant since she's already dark. Best-case scenario, Zelena's darkness dissipates into nothing or rejoins the Darkness inside the Dark One's vault, having been slain by the embodiment of Darkness, the Dark Swan.

      Either way, Emma would get what she wanted; Hook light again and Zelena dead.

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    • NickyHelp
      NickyHelp removed this reply because:
      reply to #254 Eskaver wrote: Emma's plan would work. Either way, Emma would get what she wanted; Hook light again and Zelena dead. I am not sure it will happen. That plan didn't work and it is not the way. Everyone objected it. Murder will not solve anything.
      03:27, November 29, 2015
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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Either way, Emma would get what she wanted; Hook light again and Zelena dead.

      It is not Emma's place to pass judgement on Zelena, no matter how much she trys to justify it. Zelena might be a deranged and evil person, but she is Regina's problem. It was an act of selfishness, that transformed Emma into the Dark Swan. Her plan to murder Zelena, was just as selfish. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Either way, Emma would get what she wanted; Hook light again and Zelena dead.

      It is not Emma's place to pass judgement on Zelena, no matter how much she trys to justify it. Zelena might be a deranged and evil person, but she is Regina's problem. It was an act of selfishness, that transformed Emma into the Dark Swan. Her plan to murder Zelena, was just as selfish. 

      Yeah, Emma actions make her worse then Zelena or other villains. Her plan seemed to have failed. What she almost did was not the way or answer.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Either way, Emma would get what she wanted; Hook light again and Zelena dead.

      It is not Emma's place to pass judgement on Zelena, no matter how much she trys to justify it. Zelena might be a deranged and evil person, but she is Regina's problem. It was an act of selfishness, that transformed Emma into the Dark Swan. Her plan to murder Zelena, was just as selfish. 

      And this is the exact reasons heroes seem to be a bag of idiots. (Not you, but a limited scope of choices).

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Either way, Emma would get what she wanted; Hook light again and Zelena dead.

      It is not Emma's place to pass judgement on Zelena, no matter how much she trys to justify it. Zelena might be a deranged and evil person, but she is Regina's problem. It was an act of selfishness, that transformed Emma into the Dark Swan. Her plan to murder Zelena, was just as selfish. 
      Yeah, Emma actions make her worse then Zelena or other villains. Her plan seemed to have failed. What she almost did was not the way or answer.

      -_________- I'm not saying she was morally in the right. I'm saying that from a practical standpoint, if Hook hadn't interfered and saved Zelena, Emma's plan would've succeeded and there wouldn't have been much magical backlash.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Either way, Emma would get what she wanted; Hook light again and Zelena dead.

      It is not Emma's place to pass judgement on Zelena, no matter how much she trys to justify it. Zelena might be a deranged and evil person, but she is Regina's problem. It was an act of selfishness, that transformed Emma into the Dark Swan. Her plan to murder Zelena, was just as selfish. 

      And this is the exact reasons heroes seem to be a bag of idiots. (Not you, but a limited scope of choices).

      The only thing that makes heroes not seem like a bag of idiots is if they show so much regrets and remorse. And that is exactly what Snow felt alot right after her mistakes (which her daughter showed lack of it on Zelena). Snow and Charming would not want that.

      As her family, Regina and Hook said: She has to learn to move on with her life and not carry the torch of our loved ones forever.

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    • Is sacrificing one life to save potentially hundreds or thousands of lives not worth it? Is a smudge on  your heart worth it?

      Think practically. If Emma didn't have that plan, Dark Hook would go on a killing spree and She'd probably have to kill Hook and eventually kill herself or terrorize others due to being lonely for hundreds of years without purpose.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Is sacrificing one life to save potentially hundreds or thousands of lives not worth it?

      You mean like letting Hook die, in the first place? 

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