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  • So the newest episode just finished airing. Thoughts?

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    • Kinda boring tonight, wasn't it? Dark Swan scenes were really good, though 

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    • I thought it was pretty good. But then again there were alot of things I didn't expect so that might be part of it. And even the things I knew about were still interesting. Getting to see more Arthur and Percival, and seeing Gwen and Violet for the first time, as well as a Fury. And then the things I didn't expect, seeing Charon, Percival dying, and Sneezy being healed, but Dopey turning into a tree (the dwarfs can not catch a break, can they? XD). Plus, I love Greek Myths, so anytime they work those in I'm a happy camper.

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    • I need to review it but I must say "Long Live Percival". I'm sad that each episode a knigh of the Round Table dies.

      Magic and it's effects gets an A+++ from me. Not one, but two fireballs!

      Mythos: We see the Fury and how it comes from the Underworld to collect the payment. Since Emma ressurected the nearly dead without paying a price the Fury came to collect Robin later on. Yay for consistency. Also, yay for the Underworld and Charon's cameo (The Boat dude).

      Likes

      -The whole transition and cinematography

      -Zelena and Regina banter (so she's not forgotten)

      -Emma actually could turn gold which is nice

      -Emma has a house that would make Regina jealous if she didn't have a bigger one.

      -Belle gets more screentime than I have ever seen in a non-Belle centric.

      -Action and royalty

      -Actual Romantic kid start with a nice song too

      -Rumple manifesto appears and still guides slash pushes and tell us the goal

      -Goal: Every Dark One wants to (free themselves of the dagger and then) make Excalibur whole and snuff out Light.

      -TLK obviously didn't work and wasn't drawn out.

      Dislikes

      -Dopey Tree spell. This time I think this is just the curse side effects that are similar to the trigger rather than newly put up. I know makes no sense, but whatever

      -Regina not knowing how to at least do a simple dance

      -WAITING ANOTHER WEEK!!!

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Kinda boring tonight, wasn't it?

      Dark Swan scenes were really good, though 

      Nope. I doubt it will be as good as these first two since we dsicover a huge chunk of stuff and got the special Greek ccreature part of the season, lol

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    • The Charon part was kinda silly. The way they fixed it.... it didn't convince me

      Oh and it seems Emma's curse is just like every curse in the show so far

      So, the creators lied.... again


      On a more positive note:

      Loved the dance lesson

      and the quote for tonights episode:

      "You son of a bitch!" Regina to Gold. 

      Long overdue :D

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    • One thing I didn't like and I don't want the Anti-Regina fans to go ballistic, but....

      Another victim of the Evil Queen ends up dying and yet we aren't suppose to feel sorry for them?!

      Percival and his villaige was attacked and the people in fear and burning alive and she smiles at little Percival. He wanted revenge which was wrong, but you can't blame him. All he knows if the EQ killed people he loved and is lying in front of his king and people. He shouldn't have died for that. Just like Owen which was a scared little boy who did bad things because he wanted his father and in the end Regina stands tall and well while they join their love ones in death.

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    • I thought it was awesome! Liked last season but can tell this one will be best season since the 1st. With all the Greek mythology it gives me a little hope in maybe a Hercules/underworld arc.

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    • I'm surprised Lancelot hasn't show up in Camelot

      Maybe Cora didn't lie and she did kill him

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I'm surprised Lancelot hasn't show up in Camelot

      Maybe Cora didn't lie and she did kill him

      Don't you know? Every Knight of the Roundtable will be dead by the end of the half season, lol.

      I'm sure he's dead or Snow and Charming would have recognized him and talked or something. Especially at a ball.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I'm surprised Lancelot hasn't show up in Camelot

      Maybe Cora didn't lie and she did kill him

      I think he's alive, but trapped somewhere. Odds are 3:1 he's in a tree. XD

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    • Who do you guys think will pull Excalibur out of the stone? Arthur again or someone else?

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    • MasterofCows wrote:
      Who do you guys think will pull Excalibur out of the stone? Arthur again or someone else?

      The question is: who put Excalibur IN the stone again.

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    • The episode was totally amazing. The best episode I've watched in a long long time. As said above, my only dislike was how easily the fury was defeated. Aside from that, everything was beautiful. The way they used Henry's song in the ball scene and then again at Granny's? perfect. Regina undoing Sneezy's stone spell? great! the town-line scene? cool! Belle scenes? lovely! Everything was amazing imo, so yeah, I loved the episode. I might go as far as saying this was the best episode since Season One lol. I think the show has finally gotten back to its former glory, I hope it keeps up :D

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    • Great episode, though I do feel sorry for Dopey and Percival too.He wasn't as off the deep end as Owen. But I also have begrudgingly accepted that Regina= never responsible, never truly at fault, never out of line. Everyone else=has to really work for it except Hook on occasion. Speaking of, I'll bet the Anti-Captain Swan fans loved that TLK didn't work. I also liked the confirmation that Arthur wants the Dagger fo his own purposes. 

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    • I'm wondering... Since Cinderella's price to pay was her child (a life), did a Fury kidnap Thomas to send him to the Underworld but something intervened, keeping him alive (explaining his presence in Storybrooke)?

      And why didn't a Fury come for Rumple (since Neal was in his body and he hadn't paid his price)?

      Anyway, this episode was amazing and I love that they linked the Enchanted Forest with Camelot through Percival. Regina never will escape her past, will she?

      Dark Emma was amazing and her dress with Hook? It was very season 1 Mayor Mills (it particularly reminded me of Regina's dress during her date with Graham in Price Of Gold, which is what inspired my first thought in my post)

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      The episode was totally amazing. The best episode I've watched in a long long time. As said above, my only dislike was how easily the fury was defeated. Aside from that, everything was beautiful. The way they used Henry's song in the ball scene and then again at Granny's? perfect. Regina undoing Sneezy's stone spell? great! the town-line scene? cool! Belle scenes? lovely! Everything was amazing imo, so yeah, I loved the episode. I might go as far as saying this was the best episode since Season One lol. I think the show has finally gotten back to its former glory, I hope it keeps up :D

      I saw a theory that the fury instead just took a portion of each of their lives, lol. I guess that knocks like 10 years or so off of each of them. I think the fury isn;t dead, but will just egenerate in the Underworld. Yay! Care Bear stare ftw XD

      Yeah, I hope so. I just have this nagging feeling that we are only going to go for a slower episode. Hope they can keep up the pace and quality.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      MasterofCows wrote:
      Who do you guys think will pull Excalibur out of the stone? Arthur again or someone else?
      The question is: who put Excalibur IN the stone again.

      Good question. We know Emma brought it over but we don't know why it is back in the stone again. 

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    • Oh.... and Hook dear... That's not an outfit for a ball

      What were you thinking dude?

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Oh.... and Hook dear... That's not an outfit for a ball

      What were you thinking dude?

      The real Question is where did he get that. Royals in Camelot I doubt have that and I'm sure the clothes horse is only in Wonderland!

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    • Anyway, we have the Fury, who delivers souls to Charon. Charon delivers souls to the realm of Hades and Persephone, who then choose which afterlife you will go to (for example, those who are pure of heart live in the Elysium Fields).

      My dream of a Hercules arc with Hades as the main villain and running rampant in Storybrooke with tons of dead characters is coming closer to being possible with each season. Especially now that Regina's soul is the price to pay to Hades himself for healing Robin. Welcome back, Cora.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Anyway, we have the Fury, who delivers souls to Charon. Charon delivers souls to the realm of Hades and Persephone, who then choose which afterlife you will go to (for example, those who are pure of heart live in the Elysium Fields).

      My dream of a Hercules arc with Hades as the main villain and running rampant in Storybrooke with tons of dead characters is coming closer to being possible with each season. Especially now that Regina's soul is the price to pay to Hades himself for healing Robin. Welcome back, Cora.

      The Furies do do that, but I wonder if the Wraith is some how involved in some effect.

      Robin's life is still the price of Emma saving Robin.....sort of redundant, right?

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      The Furies do do that, but I wonder if the Wraith is some how involved in some effect.

      Robin's life is still the price of Emma saving Robin.....sort of redundant, right?

      Hmm... I don't think Robin's life is the price. It's more of, since they didn't pay, they don't get the desired effect, i.e., Robin being alive. Kinda like repossessing stuff.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Oh.... and Hook dear... That's not an outfit for a ball

      What were you thinking dude?

      Hook in a ball: More guyliner. Plus hairspray. haha

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    • MasterofCows wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      MasterofCows wrote:
      Who do you guys think will pull Excalibur out of the stone? Arthur again or someone else?
      The question is: who put Excalibur IN the stone again.
      Good question. We know Emma brought it over but we don't know why it is back in the stone again. 

      True. I'm guessing since the Dark One wants it out, someone else put it in the stone to prevent whatever plans they had. I don't think it would be Merlin or Arthur.  

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    • Fragile Daydreamer wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      The Furies do do that, but I wonder if the Wraith is some how involved in some effect.

      Robin's life is still the price of Emma saving Robin.....sort of redundant, right?

      Hmm... I don't think Robin's life is the price. It's more of, since they didn't pay, they don't get the desired effect, i.e., Robin being alive. Kinda like repossessing stuff.

      True, but I think it's just a void of a price. I guess since Emma didn't name the price or something Robin was going to be reposessed. But I would think that the cost would exact it self whether Emma wanted it to be paid or not.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      I saw a theory that the fury instead just took a portion of each of their lives, lol. I guess that knocks like 10 years or so off of each of them. I think the fury isn;t dead, but will just egenerate in the Underworld. Yay! Care Bear stare ftw XD

      Yeah, I hope so. I just have this nagging feeling that we are only going to go for a slower episode. Hope they can keep up the pace and quality.

      I think it was mostly magic rebound after the Fury tries to take more than the allotted price. Which begs the question, why didn't it stop? 

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    • That Hook/Dark Emma scene was intense

      I guess we'll get more of that this season

      I hope my poor CaptainSwan-shipper heart will be able to handle it D:

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    • Fragile Daydreamer wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      I saw a theory that the fury instead just took a portion of each of their lives, lol. I guess that knocks like 10 years or so off of each of them. I think the fury isn;t dead, but will just egenerate in the Underworld. Yay! Care Bear stare ftw XD

      Yeah, I hope so. I just have this nagging feeling that we are only going to go for a slower episode. Hope they can keep up the pace and quality.

      I think it was mostly magic rebound after the Fury tries to take more than the allotted price. Which begs the question, why didn't it stop? 

      I'm going with taking a portion of their lives, couldn't stop the spell after a certain point, over-estimation, or creature stupidity. I assume it just reforms in the Underworld. The real thing is that it shouldn't give up.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Fragile Daydreamer wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      I saw a theory that the fury instead just took a portion of each of their lives, lol. I guess that knocks like 10 years or so off of each of them. I think the fury isn;t dead, but will just egenerate in the Underworld. Yay! Care Bear stare ftw XD

      Yeah, I hope so. I just have this nagging feeling that we are only going to go for a slower episode. Hope they can keep up the pace and quality.

      I think it was mostly magic rebound after the Fury tries to take more than the allotted price. Which begs the question, why didn't it stop? 
      I'm going with taking a portion of their lives, couldn't stop the spell after a certain point, over-estimation, or creature stupidity. I assume it just reforms in the Underworld. The real thing is that it shouldn't give up.

      Fair enough. 

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      I'm going with taking a portion of their lives, couldn't stop the spell after a certain point, over-estimation, or creature stupidity. I assume it just reforms in the Underworld. The real thing is that it shouldn't give up.

      This is going to be another thing the creators will have to explain via twitter because it wasn't clear enough in the episode

      Getting tired of that. Seriously

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      I'm going with taking a portion of their lives, couldn't stop the spell after a certain point, over-estimation, or creature stupidity. I assume it just reforms in the Underworld. The real thing is that it shouldn't give up.
      This is going to be another thing the creators will have to explain via twitter because it wasn't clear enough in the episode

      Getting tired of that. Seriously

      If we really get a Hercules or God arc, it might be their plan to put it there. Maybe they planted this a foreshadowing (I doubt it, but whatever).

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    • What they need to adress is how Percival was a kid when Regina was the Evil Queen... since Lancelot, Arthur and Guinevere were already adults.

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    • Perhaps he's younger than he looks?

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    • Well... He didn't say a child. He said boy. He seems to be mid 20's, and Regina was the Queen for half of her life. He could've been a teenager when Regina burned down his village. After all, he said the "boy" was returning to his village. From training? From an adventure?

      As for Robin's life being the price to pay for his healing, not really. The Fury was taking him away because he'd cheated death basically for free. Regina told the Fury to take her instead. So where there was no price before, Regina's life became the price for the Fury.

      So while the Fury probably did shorten the lifespan of everyone who helped Regina stand up to it (explaining why it gave up so easily), the simple fact of the matter is Regina is now the price that has to be paid for Robin to remain alive. And someone like the God of Death probably doesn't like being owed souls.

      So I could definitely see him storming Storybrooke in order to get her.

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    • In 5x01, when Arthur, Lancelot, and Percival pull Excalibur out of the stone, they look exactly the same as they do present day. And they definitely got Excalibur before the first curse because Lancelot was still a knight of the round table. So how is it that no was has aged after thirty years? Were they frozen during the curse?

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    • MasterofCows wrote:
      In 5x01, when Arthur, Lancelot, and Percival pull Excalibur out of the stone, they look exactly the same as they do present day. And they definitely got Excalibur before the first curse because Lancelot was still a knight of the round table. So how is it that no was has aged after thirty years? Were they frozen during the curse?

      Camelot was most likely spared from the First Curse due to being in Cora's corner of the world (thus Lancelot's presence), so yeah. They were frozen.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      MasterofCows wrote:
      In 5x01, when Arthur, Lancelot, and Percival pull Excalibur out of the stone, they look exactly the same as they do present day. And they definitely got Excalibur before the first curse because Lancelot was still a knight of the round table. So how is it that no was has aged after thirty years? Were they frozen during the curse?
      Camelot was most likely spared from the First Curse due to being in Cora's corner of the world (thus Lancelot's presence), so yeah. They were frozen.

      Oh, I completely forgot about Cora's curse! So that explains that.

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    • I enjoyed this episode but I had a few problems


      1. How can they kill off Percieval so easily? He's one of them so the least they could've done is give him a fair trial. Even King Uther gave his subjects a proper hanging if they did anything crazy.

      2. Regina was definitely out of character this episode but I guess her insecurities are starting to get the better of her.

      3. Regina continuing to pretend to be the savior after the knight clearly just said Camelot believes in secnd chances, like what?

      4, I understand they were trying to show regina she had support but what if the Fury went ahead and killed all of them? Then storybrooke would have no more powerful town protectors and they would be screwed lol.  I like how fast paced this season is so far but they just act a little too dumnb somtimes lol

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      MasterofCows wrote:
      In 5x01, when Arthur, Lancelot, and Percival pull Excalibur out of the stone, they look exactly the same as they do present day. And they definitely got Excalibur before the first curse because Lancelot was still a knight of the round table. So how is it that no was has aged after thirty years? Were they frozen during the curse?

      Camelot was most likely spared from the First Curse due to being in Cora's corner of the world (thus Lancelot's presence), so yeah. They were frozen.

      Uhm... No, definitely no xD Cora's corner of the world did not cover thaaat much.

      Camelot was spared from the curse because it is not a part of the Enchanted Forest. It is anohter Fairy Tale Land realm, outside the Enchanted Forest, as are Arendelle, Agrabah, and possibly mulan's home Empire. This means it remained frozen during the curse (as did every other magical world), without its people noticing time was moving.

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      I rewound the episode when I saw the guy spying on them through the pendant, and saw him give it to her. Also I looked up Zelena's pendant afterwards, and saw that it, unlike the one Regina was wearing, had spikes around it.
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    • MyPretties wrote: Was Regina wearing Zelena's pendant? I noticed her necklace didn't change while the rest of her outfits did.

      She was wearing the necklace that Percival gave her. Zelena's pendant is destroyed.

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    • Trainer Green wrote:
      I enjoyed this episode but I had a few problems


      1. How can they kill off Percieval so easily? He's one of them so the least they could've done is give him a fair trial. Even King Uther gave his subjects a proper hanging if they did anything crazy.

      2. Regina was definitely out of character this episode but I guess her insecurities are starting to get the better of her.

      3. Regina continuing to pretend to be the savior after the knight clearly just said Camelot believes in secnd chances, like what?

      4, I understand they were trying to show regina she had support but what if the Fury went ahead and killed all of them? Then storybrooke would have no more powerful town protectors and they would be screwed lol.  I like how fast paced this season is so far but they just act a little too dumnb somtimes lol

      Not to metion they have a little baby

      That was beyond stupid

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    • CoyoteDork wrote:

      MyPretties wrote: Was Regina wearing Zelena's pendant? I noticed her necklace didn't change while the rest of her outfits did.

      She was wearing the necklace that Percival gave her. Zelena's pendant is destroyed.

      Zelena's pendant wasn't destroyed, otherwise she wouldn't have survived her attack from Rumplestiltskin. But I looked it up and saw that it had spikes surrounding it, while the one Regina received did not.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      If we really get a Hercules or God arc, it might be their plan to put it there. Maybe they planted this a foreshadowing (I doubt it, but whatever).

      You know that won't happen

      It will remain unexplained like how they got Phillip's soul back

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    • Trainer Green wrote: 3. Regina continuing to pretend to be the savior after the knight clearly just said Camelot believes in secnd chances, like what?

      Well remember, they were all trying to hide the fact that Emma was the Dark One, because if they would have had Emma try to save Merlin change Merlin back from a tree, they would have seen that her magic appears as black smoke, and known instantly who she was.

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    • I have mixed feelings about this episode. I liked all the characters moment (not everything needs to be about action).

      I hate the way everyone was talking about Regina not being able to protect them, when she is the only one who ever has. Then she defeats the fury, and everyone is like "Maybe she can protect us" cause appearently defeating Pan, Zelena and rescuing everyone from AU is not enough. seriously, am I the only one bothered by that?

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    • MyPretties wrote:

      Trainer Green wrote: 3. Regina continuing to pretend to be the savior after the knight clearly just said Camelot believes in secnd chances, like what?

      Well remember, they were all trying to hide the fact that Emma was the Dark One, because if they would have had Emma try to save Merlin change Merlin back from a tree, they would have seen that her magic appears as black smoke, and known instantly who she was.

      I don't think that's the case, Emma's magic was gold when she saved Robin, they/Emma feard that she might lose control again. And when Emma transported in The dark Swan she didn't have any smoke.

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    • But Rumple defeated Pan, Zelena came back, and Henry saved everyone.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote: But Rumple defeated Pan, Zelena came back, and Henry saved everyone.

      The only one who got truly defeated by Emma was Regina, but the townspeople seem intent on giving her credit for all of the defeats.

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    • Oh and Snow looked so fat in that gown :O

      For a minute I thought she was pregnant again

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    • MyPretties wrote:

      Avatar Beta wrote: But Rumple defeated Pan, Zelena came back, and Henry saved everyone.

      The only one who got truly defeated by Emma was Regina, but the townspeople seem intent on giving her credit for all of the defeats.

      The writers badly want us to be cursed in one of their many curses which have the same name "The Dark Curse" somehow, and forget our memories.

      This plot with Emma as the Dark One would have much stronger if she had been really saving everyone. since it was Regina, the Dark swan is just another villain they need to defeat.

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    • 8Rob wrote: Oh and Snow looked so fat in that gown :O

      For a minute I thought she was pregnant again

      Was that fat shaming comment really necessary?

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    • MyPretties wrote:

      8Rob wrote: Oh and Snow looked so fat in that gown :O

      For a minute I thought she was pregnant again

      Was that fat shaming comment really necessary?

      Yes, because she didn't look like that in regular clothes at the beginning of the episode. She looked like S2 Mary Margaret again

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    • 8Rob wrote:

      MyPretties wrote:

      8Rob wrote: Oh and Snow looked so fat in that gown :O

      For a minute I thought she was pregnant again

      Was that fat shaming comment really necessary?

      Yes, because she didn't look like that in regular clothes at the beginning of the episode. She looked like S2 Mary Margaret again

      I really think people must stop calling Ginny fat! She isn't fat at all! In season one and two she was just extremely thin, she is of average body weight.

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    • Compared to the premiere this episode felt slow and more like a filler episode. It was good but not as good as the premiere. I really liked dark swans interactions with Hook and Henry, I am a little confused about that though. Why isn't she more angry witht them. It kinda felt like the night before she didn't curse them and tell them she was going to punish them.

      I think the Regina thing was ridiculous. She saved the town like three times. I don't understand what Emma was doing that made them or her think without her they're helpless.

      I liked Belle and Hook's bonding moment.

      Zelena and Regina's fighting at the beginning was good.

      Author is not to be trusted.

      Did percieval have magic?

      I hate venry, hiolet, or what ever that ship is going to be called already.

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    • Kingfan22 wrote:
      Compared to the premiere this episode felt slow and more like a filler episode. It was good but not as good as the premiere. I really liked dark swans interactions with Hook and Henry, I am a little confused about that though. Why isn't she more angry witht them. It kinda felt like the night before she didn't curse them and tell them she was going to punish them.

      I think the Regina thing was ridiculous. She saved the town like three times. I don't understand what Emma was doing that made them or her think without her they're helpless.



      Did percieval have magic?

      I doubt Percival himslef has magic although there's probably plenting of magical items for him to use in Camelot, After all, this is the former home of Merlin.

      As far as what Emma is doing to Regina, my guess is that Emma created that curse so that someone else could "rise" as a savior. I'm guessing that nobody was able to free Merlin from the tree and it's pretty clear (as stated by Arthur) that only the savior could release Merlin. In a twisted way to provoke that, Emma might have embrase darkness for that sole purpose, forcing someone else to become a savior. I'm guessing that it will be Henry, not Regina.

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    • I had mixed feelings about the episode (but mostly disliked it). The main thing I absolutely hated was Percival dying. I hate David more than ever now, like why the hell did you stab him? at least you could of apprehended him (why isn't he a real prince charming?). I don't support Percival's actions for attacking OQ but he should not have been killed for that, especially when I can see why he did it.

      "Camelot is a place of second chances" yeah except if you are Percival who (probably) hasn't killed anyone but attacked the one person who burned down his village plus murdered hundreds more people.

      I am actually starting to like Dark Swan. She has this cool attitude about her which was like S1 Emma but more. Plus I want her house. Henry x Violet (someone think of a ship name!) was cute and the scene with the jukebox was good. I didn't care for the rest so it was just an overall ok episode (other than Percival dying).

      I may be over-reacting to Percival's death since he is a minor character but it just felt so wrong and he could have been a good character too with his backstory. ugh whatever, 5X03 looks cool so yay.

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    • How could Charming kill the most handsome knight of the show urghhhh?

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    • Wicked Wizard of the West wrote: How could Charming kill the most handsome knight of the show urghhhh?

      Charming saw competition and attacked (I think Percival was more handsome than Charming though).

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    • Wicked Wizard of the West wrote: How could Charming kill the most handsome knight of the show urghhhh?

      You can't blame him for that. That was self defense. Percival almost killed Robin and Regina. He had not choice. You guys should know that. What would you have done if someone tried to harm your friend or family member? Huh?

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    • SnowKingTE wrote:

      Wicked Wizard of the West wrote: How could Charming kill the most handsome knight of the show urghhhh?

      Charming saw competition and attacked (I think Percival was more handsome than Charming though).

      That was not competition. That was helping a friend in need. I'm sorry for Percival's death. But the way he behaved, the knight was very short on charm. Charming is no murderer or assassin.

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    • Hmm... Didn't hate the epidsode but it was rather slow. Lacking on the overall action, but much much much better than last years second episode.

      Likes:

      I liked the overall bonding (Belle and Hook, Charmings and Regina.) it was cute. This episode seemed more about friendship and working together than any epidsode in a long time, this was long overdue.

      I know Regina not knowing how to dance was stupid, but it was cute how the Charmings helped her learn.

      Finally explaining the DO kissing problem. Why it did not work after the first try. Probably one of the longest disputed problems.

      Zelena wasn't forgotten.

      Dislikes:

      Henry and Violet. I'm not sure I'll be able to deal with this.

      Robin- Why can't he just die already. Talk about cheating death... Twice in one epidsode is a new record for this show.

      The cheating death. That was my least favorite part. "To save Robin, someone else must die." "Oops... We changed our minds now no one has to die."

      It makes me mad when they contradict themselves like that. Convienence is annoying.


      Not disliking of likeing this, but does a horn else think its a bad idea to leave Zelena with Granny and the Dwarves for long periods of time?

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      MasterofCows wrote:
      In 5x01, when Arthur, Lancelot, and Percival pull Excalibur out of the stone, they look exactly the same as they do present day. And they definitely got Excalibur before the first curse because Lancelot was still a knight of the round table. So how is it that no was has aged after thirty years? Were they frozen during the curse?
      Camelot was most likely spared from the First Curse due to being in Cora's corner of the world (thus Lancelot's presence), so yeah. They were frozen.
      Uhm... No, definitely no xD Cora's corner of the world did not cover thaaat much.

      Camelot was spared from the curse because it is not a part of the Enchanted Forest. It is anohter Fairy Tale Land realm, outside the Enchanted Forest, as are Arendelle, Agrabah, and possibly mulan's home Empire. This means it remained frozen during the curse (as did every other magical world), without its people noticing time was moving.

      This is going to go slightly off-topic but I'll go back on-topic at the end of this post, I promise.

      The Dark Curse reached into all the worlds, while ravaging the one it was cast in. We can look at this more literally.

      The Curse was cast on Earth (Fairytale Land) and reached into Venus (Wonderland), Mars (Land Without Color) and Mercury (Land Without Magic), while freezing Jupiter (Victorian England) and all the other planets in time for 28 years.

      Looking at "Earth" again, it's made up of countries (Mist Haven, Agrabah, Arendelle, the Southern Isles, Camelot and Merida's Kingdom which will most likely be DunBroch like the movie). The Dark Curse was definitely meant to ravage the entirety of Earth. And in fact, nothing in the show has said that the original Curse was stopped by anything... Except Cora's Corner. Mist Haven was almost completely taken to Storybrooke aside from Cora's part. Arendelle was spared because of Ingrid's curse. The few Agrabahn people we've seen were either in Mist Haven (Genie/Mirror) or Wonderland (the Sultan, Cyrus and family, Jafar) when the Curse struck, so we don't know if it was spared.

      As for Camelot, since it's a few days' ride away from Mist Haven, there's no way the Curse didn't consume it. It's like saying the Curse was cast in Luxembourg and it didn't reach France or Germany, while consuming Norway and Egypt. It had to have been protected. Whether by Cora or Merlin or some other force, but it was.

      The second Curse is a different matter all together, as it was shown to have been made differently from the first Curse and Hook was shown to have been able to outrun it, with Ariel and Eric being out of its reach completely.

      Anyway, I would love to see more Percival 'cause he was handsome, but good riddance to him. Yes, he had a very justifiable reason to want Regina dead, but I love her, so you die instead. Bye.

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    • Real quick, when Rumple was talking to Emma and told her that her family and friends were holding her back and she had to snuff out the light, do you think that was a refrence to this

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=374xW4zZbZA

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    • Everyone who's freaking out that they killed off eye-candy (Really? I guess I missed that memo) Perceval: He should still be appearing for some flashbacks.

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      Real quick, when Rumple was talking to Emma and told her that her family and friends were holding her back and she had to snuff out the light, do you think that was a refrence to this

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=374xW4zZbZA

      Well, Yzma would be PERFECT for the show. :)

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:
      Real quick, when Rumple was talking to Emma and told her that her family and friends were holding her back and she had to snuff out the light, do you think that was a refrence to this

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=374xW4zZbZA

      Well, Yzma would be PERFECT for the show. :)

      I could see her as one of the Dark Ones or maybe the first, but money on the first Dark One is Morgan Le Fay, the sorcerer ended up being Merlin, he was the one who trapped the darkness in a human soul, and the dagger was made from Excalibur, so I think the Dark One all goes back to Camelot 

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:
      Real quick, when Rumple was talking to Emma and told her that her family and friends were holding her back and she had to snuff out the light, do you think that was a refrence to this

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=374xW4zZbZA

      Well, Yzma would be PERFECT for the show. :)
      I could see her as one of the Dark Ones or maybe the first, but money on the first Dark One is Morgan Le Fay, the sorcerer ended up being Merlin, he was the one who trapped the darkness in a human soul, and the dagger was made from Excalibur, so I think the Dark One all goes back to Camelot 

      Actually, I could see Yzma (and by extension Kuzco) being from Oz, actually. After all, Yzma sounds dangerously close to Ozma. :P

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      Real quick, when Rumple was talking to Emma and told her that her family and friends were holding her back and she had to snuff out the light, do you think that was a refrence to this

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=374xW4zZbZA

      I think that was just him channeling the Dark One

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    • I will never get tired of saying Yzma has already been featured. So yeah, I will be disappointed if they do another Yzma. xD

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      I will never get tired of saying Yzma has already been featured. So yeah, I will be disappointed if they do another Yzma. xD

      Yeah, maybe The DO spirit was channeling the almost DO Cora. I mean Rumple and Cora diod get to "know" one another.

      Cora is already a version of Cora, even wanting to potentially be the power behind the child sized throne (aka Kuzco).

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    • I for one loved the episode! So many things happened that I've been waiting to see happen since season 1!

      Snow helping Emma dress for the ball

      Watching Snow and Emma enter the ball and being announced while entering together

      Emma being evil!

      Henry getting a love interest

      Regina and David having a genuine/real sweet moment together while he gives her a dancing lesson.

      Regina being offically welcomed as a hero.

      Regina dressed as a princess/good queen without being evil.


      I know a lot don't seem to agree but this was one of the best episodes in my opinion!

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      I will never get tired of saying Yzma has already been featured. So yeah, I will be disappointed if they do another Yzma. xD

      I don't think this is confirmation until we get Cora saying to someone in a flashback: "A llama? He's supposted to be dead!" XD

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Killian Jones wrote:
      I will never get tired of saying Yzma has already been featured. So yeah, I will be disappointed if they do another Yzma. xD
      I don't think this is confirmation until we get Cora saying to someone in a flashback: "A llama? He's supposted to be dead!" XD

      Cora wouldn't say that. Just replace a llama with Lancelot and now it ties into our arc. (No, Lancelot isn't a llama or Kuzco, I hope.)

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      I will never get tired of saying Yzma has already been featured. So yeah, I will be disappointed if they do another Yzma. xD

      OHMYGOD, WHAT KIND OF FLAWLESSNESS?!?! I NEED KRONK AND KUZCO! I NEED HER TO SAY "A llama?! He's supposed to be DEAD!"

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Killian Jones wrote:
      I will never get tired of saying Yzma has already been featured. So yeah, I will be disappointed if they do another Yzma. xD
      I don't think this is confirmation until we get Cora saying to someone in a flashback: "A llama? He's supposted to be dead!" XD
      Cora wouldn't say that. Just replace a llama with Lancelot and now it ties into our arc. (No, Lancelot isn't a llama or Kuzco, I hope.)

      Lancelot got turned into a llama, which is why no one knows he is alive. Headcanon accepted. XD

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Killian Jones wrote:
      I will never get tired of saying Yzma has already been featured. So yeah, I will be disappointed if they do another Yzma. xD
      OHMYGOD, WHAT KIND OF FLAWLESSNESS?!?! I NEED KRONK AND KUZCO! I NEED HER TO SAY "A llama?! He's supposed to be DEAD!"

      Somebody's never seen that picture before. XD  I admit it is pretty clever.

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    • I am confused and bothered by one thing though. When Dopey gets turned into a tree, how come David had a "Oh brother" expressions instead of a horrified expression?

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    • Beekee404 wrote:
      I am confused and bothered by one thing though. When Dopey gets turned into a tree, how come David had a "Oh brother" expressions instead of a horrified expression?

      David's just sick of trying to keep seven short men out of harm's way. XD

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    • Beekee404 wrote:
      I am confused and bothered by one thing though. When Dopey gets turned into a tree, how come David had a "Oh brother" expressions instead of a horrified expression?

      Because no one can ever leave the damn town, and it gets more exasperating than the memory loss lol

      In fact, I don't know why it took 12 weeks (the six week jump from 4A to 4B, then the six week jump from 4B to 5A) for Ingrid's magic to dissapate completely, but it seems it has. Until Dopey started becoming a tree, it seemed like there were no ill effects of crossing the town line... Though he didn't really try to cross back into town, so who knows?

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    • Things I disliked:

      • Regina can't dance? What?! Excuse me, what about Overbearing Mother Of The Year award winner for twenty years in a raw, Cora? Wouldn't that be, like, one the first things she'd teach her daughter while planning to marry her off into royalty? Unless, of course, Regina simply didn't comply and went out horse riding instead: we know how free-spirited and pig-headed she was, and that Cora kinda regarded her a sa tomboy. So I really don't know if this hurts continuity or not.
      • I guess I'll roll with the "we all gave up some years" theory in regards of the Fury. But for heaven's sake, OUAT, can't you just explain some of your most convoluted plot points from time to time?
      • Just how collected and calm were the Camelot…ians (?) in Storybrooke? Sure, at least they were dropped into the forest and not downtown Storybrooke, but shouldn't they be, like, very perplexed about this strange new world? Meh.

      Things I liked:

      • Emma is surprisingly interesting as a villain, even more so than her normal self. Thumbs up for the Dark Swan!
      • Regina is… well, Regina.
      • Arthur and Guinevre are cooking up something. That's an interesting development.
      • OH, AT LONG LAST Rumple and Belle's constant non-curse-breaking smooching has been discussed. About time!
      • Pretty much all the rest.

      Funny bonus:

      • “Well, we’ll find a way. We always have.”, “Yes, with me. Now you’re on your own.” Well, excuse me, Emma, on your own you haven't been useful since, like, the S1 finale. I guess the other will solve problems just fine on their own like they've kinda been doing since then.
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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      Things I disliked:
      • Regina can't dance? What?! Excuse me, what about Overbearing Mother Of The Year award winner for twenty years in a raw, Cora? Wouldn't that be, like, one the first things she'd teach her daughter while planning to marry her off into royalty? Unless, of course, Regina simply didn't comply and went out horse riding instead: we know how free-spirited and pig-headed she was, and that Cora kinda regarded her a sa tomboy. So I really don't know if this hurts continuity or not.

      I think the dancing thing makes sense. Remember, Cora didn't want Regina to be any queen. She wanted Regina to be Leopold's queen. He was married, so it's not like Regina needed to learn to dance to charm him at a ball. He only had eyes for Eva.

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    • Who wrote this episode?  Who wrote it?  I have never come across anything so stupid in my life.  The rip off from "GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY" was bad enough.  The fact that Leroy gave Emma credit for defeating all of the past Big Bads was even worse. But are we actually supposed to believe that the magic Emma used to heal Robin is still evil, because she's "the Dark One"?  Magic is magic.  There shouldn't be any dark magic or light magic.  It should be neutral.  It's the magic caster's intent that should be judged as good or evil.  If Emma used magic to heal Robin, that means she had good intentions.  The consequences of her magic should have been positive.  Instead, the morons who produce this show and the screen writer would have us to believe that regardless of Emma's intent, saving Robin was bad, because her magic is "DARK"Stupid, stupid show.  By the way, I didn't mourn Percival.  The idiot knew that Regina had shed her evil past.  Yet, he was still intent upon getting his revenge.  He gave in to vengeance, so he got what he deserved.  And I'm so sick and tired of Emma's black outfits.  They don't look that great on Jennifer Morrison.  Nor do they contrast well with that white frosted hair and too pale skin.  Christ!  I miss Rumpel's outfits.

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    • I really liked the sass-off scene between Emma and Regina at Emma's place, and Emma did have some very valid points. But one thing that disturbed me was that Emma never told Regina about having to pay a price to save Robin (since Emma wanted to be different/pay it herself). So going on at Regina about not paying the price: Sure it may be Regina's price to pay, but it was Emma's JOB to ask for one. But then I guess Regina can't remember one way or the other...

      On another note: I hope Dopey doesn't get chopped down for being a lonesome tree in the middle of a street...

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    • One Question: Why was Ginnifer's character introduced as Lady Mary Margaret at the ball, rather than Queen Snow White? They are in FTL after all, might also ring a  bell with the other people at the ball. Or were they trying to be incognito? Thoughts?

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    • Krisdhana wrote:
      One Question: Why was Ginnifer's character introduced as Lady Mary Margaret at the ball, rather than Queen Snow White? They are in FTL after all, might also ring a  bell with the other people at the ball. Or were they trying to be incognito? Thoughts?

      Yep, undercover. Otherwise, they would have guessed who the savior was and would probably not let the Evil Queen roam about. At least, that's what they thought

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    • I really liked the sass-off scene between Emma and Regina at Emma's place, and Emma did have some very valid points. But one thing that disturbed me was that Emma never told Regina about having to pay a price to save Robin (since Emma wanted to be different/pay it herself). So going on at Regina about not paying the price: Sure it may be Regina's price to pay, but it was Emma's JOB to ask for one. But then I guess Regina can't remember one way or the other...


      Emma's points about Regina stepping up to make a sacrifice would have been valid in early Season 2. But since then, Regina has made several attempts to sacrifice her life and her relationship with Henry for the sake of the town. Both women should have remembered this. As for Regina blaming others for her problems . . . Emma isn't any better. In fact, she rarely acknowledges the mistakes and crimes she has committed in the past. Even Regina has her beat in that regard.


      Yes, because she didn't look like that in regular clothes at the beginning of the episode. She looked like S2 Mary Margaret again

      I found the fat-shaming not only unnecessary, but also tasteless and shallow.

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    • AFter rewatching the episode, the answer for some of this is in Regina and Zelena's conversation.  Zelena is going on about the magic inhibiting cuff and threatening to spill the beans, and Regina silences her, and her comment is that No Ones knows who they are, and they want to keep it that way.  At first, I thought this might have been just Regina protecting herself, but in thinking about the rest of the episode, i think that the entire group was planning on hiding their EF experience.

      So, I am guessing that somewhere off screen, before the cyclone actually hit Granny's, they had actually discussed this and determined that it would be best to not disclose their previous EF identities, but to stick with their Storybrooke Personas.  Even when Camelot comes to Storybrooke, David only mentions the part where Arthur is a legend in this realm.  Not a lie, but not the whole truth, either, since David clearly knows all about Excalibur (as we saw in episode 3x2).

      Of course, at the end of the episode, Regina's cover if blown, as she confesses that she had been the Evil Queen. At this point, why not come clean with the rest.  Just like with them finally revealing that Emma is their daughter (after they have lost their memories).  Something tells me that the half truths are going to come back to bite them later.

      And off the subject, but a question that I just happened to think.  Did Merida also come across?  We haven't seen her in Storybrooke yet, but that doesn't mean that she's not there. (Doesn't mean she's there either).

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      AFter rewatching the episode, the answer for some of this is in Regina and Zelena's conversation.  Zelena is going on about the magic inhibiting cuff and threatening to spill the beans, and Regina silences her, and her comment is that No Ones knows who they are, and they want to keep it that way.  At first, I thought this might have been just Regina protecting herself, but in thinking about the rest of the episode, i think that the entire group was planning on hiding their EF experience.

      So, I am guessing that somewhere off screen, before the cyclone actually hit Granny's, they had actually discussed this and determined that it would be best to not disclose their previous EF identities, but to stick with their Storybrooke Personas.  Even when Camelot comes to Storybrooke, David only mentions the part where Arthur is a legend in this realm.  Not a lie, but not the whole truth, either, since David clearly knows all about Excalibur (as we saw in episode 3x2).

      Of course, at the end of the episode, Regina's cover if blown, as she confesses that she had been the Evil Queen. At this point, why not come clean with the rest.  Just like with them finally revealing that Emma is their daughter (after they have lost their memories).  Something tells me that the half truths are going to come back to bite them later.

      And off the subject, but a question that I just happened to think.  Did Merida also come across?  We haven't seen her in Storybrooke yet, but that doesn't mean that she's not there. (Doesn't mean she's there either).

      Well, we haven't seen Merida since the premiere. I guess she's off saving her brothers.

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    • For sure, I saw the similarity between the "let's link hands together and override the fury's power" and what was done in the Guardians of the Galaxy movie. For those who didn't see the movie, the idea of how to get rid of the fury might've seemed cool and inventive, but to me, it felt like a recycled idea, lol. 

      I enjoyed Emma revealing to Regina that it was her price to pay, but then it fell flat to me after it was learned in flashback that Emma was the one who knew about the price, but she never even asked Regina for it because she didn't want to. In that sense, I felt irked because that gave me the perception that the present day Emma blaming Regina for the unpaid price was unfair because it was partially Emma's fault in the first place that Regina didn't pay the price. That made Regina's "What I should have done in Camelot in the first place" comment when she sacrificed herself to the fury make even less sense to me because in Camelot six weeks ago, she didn't know about the price anyway since Emma didn't tell her. Unless the next episode or two proves Regina did know and refused to pay it.

      David's comment about talking to Arthur about the Dark One *during* the journey to Camelot felt like a continuity error, to be honest. When David tells Arthur at the Merlin tree that they need Merlin to help their people defeat the Dark One, my perception is Arthur reacts almost as if he's hearing David mention the Dark One for the first time in conversation.

      The scene where Emma kisses Hook after using her dark powers to save Robin felt creepy and I had trouble understanding the point of it. The scene appeared to be implying that Emma got some sensual feelings from using her dark powers, and that bled into her interactions with Hook because that was her way of reacting to what she was feeling in a non-verbal way. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding...

      I enjoyed the scene with Regina and Percival dancing. As he was telling her the story, I was glued to his every word. I kept wondering if he was getting at something about the fury because I assumed the angel of death was the fury, but then it was a nice surprise at the end that he was actually referring to Regina.

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    • The part where Emma kisses Killian right after healing Robin was, I thought, Emma's attempt at TLK. Because immediately afterward, Rumplevision comments about "It not working", and pointing out Emma's new glittery hand design.  I took that to mean that TLK did not work.

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    • CTrent29 wrote:
      Who wrote this episode?  Who wrote it?  I have never come across anything so stupid in my life.  The rip off from "GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY" was bad enough.  The fact that Leroy gave Emma credit for defeating all of the past Big Bads was even worse. But are we actually supposed to believe that the magic Emma used to heal Robin is still evil, because she's "the Dark One"?  Magic is magic.  There shouldn't be any dark magic or light magic.  It should be neutral.  It's the magic caster's intent that should be judged as good or evil.  If Emma used magic to heal Robin, that means she had good intentions.  The consequences of her magic should have been positive.  Instead, the morons who produce this show and the screen writer would have us to believe that regardless of Emma's intent, saving Robin was bad, because her magic is "DARK"Stupid, stupid show.  By the way, I didn't mourn Percival.  The idiot knew that Regina had shed her evil past.  Yet, he was still intent upon getting his revenge.  He gave in to vengeance, so he got what he deserved.  And I'm so sick and tired of Emma's black outfits.  They don't look that great on Jennifer Morrison.  Nor do they contrast well with that white frosted hair and too pale skin.  Christ!  I miss Rumpel's outfits.

      First of all, GotG was not the first and certainly not the last to use the "united we stand, divided we fall" trope in regards to sharing the brunt of fatal blast. It's overused to DEATH in Japanese anime. Secondly, it's not the first time Once (ultimately owned by Disney) has unintentionally copied the Marvel Cinematic Universe (also owned by Disney). "An Apple Red As Blood" premiered the same weekend "The Avengers" did and most people saw similarities (and preferred the Once Avengers, who were later renamed the Nevengers during the Pan arc).

      And to address your concerns about Emma using magic to heal Robin, my friend on Tumblr said it best.

      "The act of saving someone’s life was not the evil part of it. It was the fact that in order to save Robin’s life, Emma had to use the only magic she’s capable of now - Dark Magic. And just like when Regina used it for the first time and was afraid of it because (in her own words) she “loved it,” the fear is that even though the use was for good, Emma gets a taste of that magic and darkness and loves it too much to keep fighting to be who she once was.

      I actually thought that was a smart show of writing - how is Emma’s darkness going to be different from Rumple’s? She has used magic now only once to hurt and was talked down, and has it solely because she saved someone’s life."

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote: So, I am guessing that somewhere off screen, before the cyclone actually hit Granny's, they had actually discussed this and determined that it would be best to not disclose their previous EF identities, but to stick with their Storybrooke Personas.  Even when Camelot comes to Storybrooke, David only mentions the part where Arthur is a legend in this realm.  Not a lie, but not the whole truth, either, since David clearly knows all about Excalibur (as we saw in episode 3x2).

      I don't think it would have happened before the cyclone hit Granny's, because they had no idea they'd even encounter Arthur & co. - they were just going there to save Emma. It's possible, I suppose, that they managed to discuss it in private on the (supposedly) long walk to Camelot?

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    • Jdg98 wrote:

      Hmcooper4 wrote: So, I am guessing that somewhere off screen, before the cyclone actually hit Granny's, they had actually discussed this and determined that it would be best to not disclose their previous EF identities, but to stick with their Storybrooke Personas.  Even when Camelot comes to Storybrooke, David only mentions the part where Arthur is a legend in this realm.  Not a lie, but not the whole truth, either, since David clearly knows all about Excalibur (as we saw in episode 3x2).

      I don't think it would have happened before the cyclone hit Granny's, because they had no idea they'd even encounter Arthur & co. - they were just going there to save Emma. It's possible, I suppose, that they managed to discuss it in private on the (supposedly) long walk to Camelot?

      They legitimately walked around the corner. I mean they wouldn't let a pregnant woman and a woman carrying a newborn to be walking on a ten mile trek.

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    • Jdg98 wrote:

      Hmcooper4 wrote: So, I am guessing that somewhere off screen, before the cyclone actually hit Granny's, they had actually discussed this and determined that it would be best to not disclose their previous EF identities, but to stick with their Storybrooke Personas.  Even when Camelot comes to Storybrooke, David only mentions the part where Arthur is a legend in this realm.  Not a lie, but not the whole truth, either, since David clearly knows all about Excalibur (as we saw in episode 3x2).

      I don't think it would have happened before the cyclone hit Granny's, because they had no idea they'd even encounter Arthur & co. - they were just going there to save Emma. It's possible, I suppose, that they managed to discuss it in private on the (supposedly) long walk to Camelot?

      They might not have known they would encounter Arthur and company, although I would imagine that they considered the odds to be high.  Let's face it, they knew they were going to the EF, and they also knew that they would eventually enter Camelot, since that is the reported place to find Merlin (That's no big secret, even us muggins can figure that one out). So I am sure that they planned for contingencies.

      Also, when your Daughter, Mom, Girlfriend, best friend, etc. is the Dark One, the last thing you want is for people to recognize you.

      And before you argue that the people in the EF would know Snow and co, remember that most, if not all, of the people that are likely to know Snow and Co are in Storybrooke.  Between Regina's curse and Snow's curse, the EF is pretty much cleared of it's original inhabitants.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Jdg98 wrote:

      Hmcooper4 wrote: So, I am guessing that somewhere off screen, before the cyclone actually hit Granny's, they had actually discussed this and determined that it would be best to not disclose their previous EF identities, but to stick with their Storybrooke Personas.  Even when Camelot comes to Storybrooke, David only mentions the part where Arthur is a legend in this realm.  Not a lie, but not the whole truth, either, since David clearly knows all about Excalibur (as we saw in episode 3x2).

      I don't think it would have happened before the cyclone hit Granny's, because they had no idea they'd even encounter Arthur & co. - they were just going there to save Emma. It's possible, I suppose, that they managed to discuss it in private on the (supposedly) long walk to Camelot?
      They might not have known they would encounter Arthur and company, although I would imagine that they considered the odds to be high.  Let's face it, they knew they were going to the EF, and they also knew that they would eventually enter Camelot, since that is the reported place to find Merlin (That's no big secret, even us muggins can figure that one out). So I am sure that they planned for contingencies.

      Also, when your Daughter, Mom, Girlfriend, best friend, etc. is the Dark One, the last thing you want is for people to recognize you.

      And before you argue that the people in the EF would know Snow and co, remember that most, if not all, of the people that are likely to know Snow and Co are in Storybrooke.  Between Regina's curse and Snow's curse, the EF is pretty much cleared of it's original inhabitants.

      I do agree that most, if not all, of Snow's allies and Regina's allies are in Storybrooke. Regina's Curse favored her allies and punished her enemies, while Snow's Curse brought everyone she loved to Storybrooke for protection.

      But to say that the EF is pretty much cleared of it's inhabitants is exaggerating a bit much. We know Ariel and Eric didn't get pulled away during the Second, and Hook was able to outrun it. So plenty of EF people could've survived either Curse if the First was as... defeatable as the Second.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Jdg98 wrote:

      Hmcooper4 wrote: So, I am guessing that somewhere off screen, before the cyclone actually hit Granny's, they had actually discussed this and determined that it would be best to not disclose their previous EF identities, but to stick with their Storybrooke Personas.  Even when Camelot comes to Storybrooke, David only mentions the part where Arthur is a legend in this realm.  Not a lie, but not the whole truth, either, since David clearly knows all about Excalibur (as we saw in episode 3x2).

      I don't think it would have happened before the cyclone hit Granny's, because they had no idea they'd even encounter Arthur & co. - they were just going there to save Emma. It's possible, I suppose, that they managed to discuss it in private on the (supposedly) long walk to Camelot?
      They might not have known they would encounter Arthur and company, although I would imagine that they considered the odds to be high.  Let's face it, they knew they were going to the EF, and they also knew that they would eventually enter Camelot, since that is the reported place to find Merlin (That's no big secret, even us muggins can figure that one out). So I am sure that they planned for contingencies.

      Also, when your Daughter, Mom, Girlfriend, best friend, etc. is the Dark One, the last thing you want is for people to recognize you.

      And before you argue that the people in the EF would know Snow and co, remember that most, if not all, of the people that are likely to know Snow and Co are in Storybrooke.  Between Regina's curse and Snow's curse, the EF is pretty much cleared of it's original inhabitants.

      I do agree that most, if not all, of Snow's allies and Regina's allies are in Storybrooke. Regina's Curse favored her allies and punished her enemies, while Snow's Curse brought everyone she loved to Storybrooke for protection.

      But to say that the EF is pretty much cleared of it's inhabitants is exaggerating a bit much. We know Ariel and Eric didn't get pulled away during the Second, and Hook was able to outrun it. So plenty of EF people could've survived either Curse if the First was as... defeatable as the Second.

      Not many since Eric was on a far off island and Ariel is a mermaid, lol. The EF was apprantly desolate and barren....except a few miles (I guess) north in Camelot, lol.

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    • Also, I never said the EF was uninhabited.  I just said that most of the people that are likely to know Snow and/or Regina are residing in Storybrooke as a result of a curse (or 2).  Obviously Percival managed to dodge both curses. But then again, Percival managed to survive one of Regina's temper tantrums.  But i would think he's the exception, not the rule.

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    • The thing with the Fury is that..... nothing happened

      It's not exciting anymore when a monster/creature appears in town because we already know nothing will happen, pretty much like

      -The wraith

      -The giant

      -The shadow

      -The flying monkeys

      -Marshmallow

      -Chernabog

      and now the Fury

      It doesn't need like a real threat anymore

      I don't even know why they keep bringing these creatures.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      The thing with the Fury is that..... nothing happened

      It's not exciting anymore when a monster/creature appears in town because we already know nothing will happen, pretty much like

      -The wraith

      -The giant

      -The shadow

      -The flying monkeys

      -Marshmallow

      -Chernabog

      and now the Fury

      It doesn't need like a real threat anymore

      I don't even know why they keep bringing these creatures.

      It's a troupe, heroes fighting monsters. Of course the hero is going to win. I mean no one expects them to kill off Regina and replace her with a CGI Fury that doesn't talk. XD  It doesn't mean they shouldn't keep showing these things though, because, as I said, it is a troupe, and most of the things are iconic things from stories, which is what the show is all about.

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    • I am MORE THAN CURIOUS about a behind the scenes photo from Larry Andreutti's Flikr page showing Regina ripping her own heart out??? For the past 3 months, I thought she was going to save Robin by choosing to split her heart in two like she did for Snow & Charming in season 3. I have to admit, I'm a little disappointed that didn't happen. I think it would have solidified them more as a couple/"soulmates" and as Robin being more than a recurring guest role on the show.

      https://www.flickr.com/photos/110865913@N05/19504866934/in/album-72157656122717678/

      Oh, well. I can still make it my own headcanon, right?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      CTrent29 wrote:
      Who wrote this episode?  Who wrote it?  I have never come across anything so stupid in my life.  The rip off from "GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY" was bad enough.  The fact that Leroy gave Emma credit for defeating all of the past Big Bads was even worse. But are we actually supposed to believe that the magic Emma used to heal Robin is still evil, because she's "the Dark One"?  Magic is magic.  There shouldn't be any dark magic or light magic.  It should be neutral.  It's the magic caster's intent that should be judged as good or evil.  If Emma used magic to heal Robin, that means she had good intentions.  The consequences of her magic should have been positive.  Instead, the morons who produce this show and the screen writer would have us to believe that regardless of Emma's intent, saving Robin was bad, because her magic is "DARK"Stupid, stupid show.  By the way, I didn't mourn Percival.  The idiot knew that Regina had shed her evil past.  Yet, he was still intent upon getting his revenge.  He gave in to vengeance, so he got what he deserved.  And I'm so sick and tired of Emma's black outfits.  They don't look that great on Jennifer Morrison.  Nor do they contrast well with that white frosted hair and too pale skin.  Christ!  I miss Rumpel's outfits.
      First of all, GotG was not the first and certainly not the last to use the "united we stand, divided we fall" trope in regards to sharing the brunt of fatal blast. It's overused to DEATH in Japanese anime. Secondly, it's not the first time Once (ultimately owned by Disney) has unintentionally copied the Marvel Cinematic Universe (also owned by Disney). "An Apple Red As Blood" premiered the same weekend "The Avengers" did and most people saw similarities (and preferred the Once Avengers, who were later renamed the Nevengers during the Pan arc).

      And to address your concerns about Emma using magic to heal Robin, my friend on Tumblr said it best.

      "The act of saving someone’s life was not the evil part of it. It was the fact that in order to save Robin’s life, Emma had to use the only magic she’s capable of now - Dark Magic. And just like when Regina used it for the first time and was afraid of it because (in her own words) she “loved it,” the fear is that even though the use was for good, Emma gets a taste of that magic and darkness and loves it too much to keep fighting to be who she once was.

      I actually thought that was a smart show of writing - how is Emma’s darkness going to be different from Rumple’s? She has used magic now only once to hurt and was talked down, and has it solely because she saved someone’s life."

      Now that you mention that Japanese anime commonly uses the theme of people banding together to fight and defeat an enemy, I recall they did that often in Sailor Moon, which I was an avid watcher of when I was a teen. 

      I liked that Emma was forced into a dilemma of using dark magic again, even if she was doing it for what she believed was a correct reason, which was to save Robin's life. Kind of like what Merlin told her, even when someone does something for the right reasons, bad things will happen. I believe that's true in Emma's case because no matter how much she tries to not use dark magic or only use it one or two times for reasons she deems necessary, there are consequences to that since the very nature of her magic is dark in itself, and the fact there is the allure of power she is getting drawn into. It doesn't matter if Emma has good intentions by using dark magic because the end result is never going to be good simply because it's dark magic she's using, not light magic. In the end, while she was able to save Robin, she had to take a price from Regina for it. Whether Regina paid that price in those six weeks has yet to be seen, but the last episode seems to give the impression Regina did not and Emma didn't tell her about the price either. 

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    • Not sure if I said this before, but that whole "Price" conversation between Emma and Rumple sheds a little more light on a lot of Rumple's dealings in previous seasons. "All Magic Comes with a Price", and all of his deals and contracts, really start to make even more sense. I always just accepted it as part of who Rumple was, but now it turns out that it's more of who the Darkness is, and not Rumple.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Not sure if I said this before, but that whole "Price" conversation between Emma and Rumple sheds a little more light on a lot of Rumple's dealings in previous seasons. "All Magic Comes with a Price", and all of his deals and contracts, really start to make even more sense. I always just accepted it as part of who Rumple was, but now it turns out that it's more of who the Darkness is, and not Rumple.

      I mean... it makes sense that "all magic comes with a price" because things need to be in balance... But we never see prices except for when the plot needs it. We didn't see Nyx coming for Rumple for defying Neal's fate by absorbing him. We didn't see the Fury come after Cinderella or Cora (both of whom made deals with Rumple where the price was their firstborn. As in, a life.)

      And the only time we've ever seen prices when it comes to good magic is when Tink failed Regina and lost her wings (though that wasn't a magical price, unless you believe in karma), and when Pinocchio was told that his transformation would be undone if he wasn't selfless, brave and true. Though both situations were instigated by Blue, who's even older than the Dark One.

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    • I think this time the price was different because they used DARK magic to spare a life. If Regina cured Robin there would have been no consequences, but she couldn't because the sword was poisoned to kill her.

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