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  • Eddy and Adam have mentioned, that their Camelot will feature the romance and ideals of the Arthurian legend. That would probably include the heroism and chivelry.... just to name a few. Now anyone familiar with the legends, would also know that the characters have a tendency to act less than noble at times. Arthur had an incestious relationship with his half-sister, which let to the birth of Mordred. He also hated his illegitimate son, despite being a bastard child himself. Guinevere had an infamous affair with Lancelot, and may have also aided Mordred in his coup.

    Many fans (myself included) have noticed, that OUaT's King Arthur is acting a bit shady. So, here is my question for this discussion.... is Arthur a hero or a villain? Or will it be something far more mature and complex, than what we have seen before on the show?

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    • I think something is up with Arthur. I mean, he wants the rest of Excalibur. And if he figures out that the dagger is the missing piece, I don't think he is just going to ask politely for it. Also, I don't think the Dark Swan is going to be the main villain in 5A. They do that a lot... like in 4A we thought it was Elsa and then it was Ingrid and then it was Rumpelstiltskin. And I do agree that Arthur is acting super shady.

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    • Well, we already know Lancelot had the affair with Gwen, based on what he said in 2x03, so we'll have to see how many other things from Arthurian legend they do. But I think just based on Arthur's casting call, we know he's going to be at least a bit shady.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Well, we already know Lancelot had the affair with Gwen, based on what he said in 2x03, so we'll have to see how many other things from Arthurian legend they do. But I think just based on Arthur's casting call, we know he's going to be at least a bit shady.

      Seeing the latest sneak peek, I am so surprised to see Guinevere so "in love" with Arthur, especially after her affair with Lancelot :o

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    • Maybe she just wants him because she wants to be queen, Arthur has a lot of power. Also, she looked very worried when she saw the Excalibur was missin

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      Seeing the latest sneak peek, I am so surprised to see Guinevere so "in love" with Arthur, especially after her affair with Lancelot :o

      Arthur is a powerful king, and pretty handsome to boot.... both of which are shallow reasons.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      Seeing the latest sneak peek, I am so surprised to see Guinevere so "in love" with Arthur, especially after her affair with Lancelot :o

      Arthur is a powerful king, and pretty handsome to boot.... both of which are shallow reasons.

      Yep, I bet they are going with Gwen only loves Arthur for his power, and that she actually loves Lancelot for himself. But I guess at the end of the day she choose Arthur over Lancelot. At any rate, it should be interesting to see how they play all this out on Once.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      Seeing the latest sneak peek, I am so surprised to see Guinevere so "in love" with Arthur, especially after her affair with Lancelot :o

      Arthur is a powerful king, and pretty handsome to boot.... both of which are shallow reasons.

      Guinevere doesn't take me as shallow. She made sure Arthur was alright, so she looked for him and not the other way around. I think she is really friends with him. I don't know about love, but they seem to have no problems at all.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Guinevere doesn't take me as shallow. She made sure Arthur was alright, so she looked for him and not the other way around. I think she is really friends with him. I don't know about love, but they seem to have no problems at all.

      The complexities of high-profile marriage.... you may care for the person, but at the end it is about what that person can do for you. Unlike Snow and Charming, Arthur and Guinevere will probably be portrayed as a realistic royal couple. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Guinevere doesn't take me as shallow. She made sure Arthur was alright, so she looked for him and not the other way around. I think she is really friends with him. I don't know about love, but they seem to have no problems at all.

      The complexities of high-profile marriage.... you may care for the person, but at the end it is about what that person can do for you. Unlike Snow and Charming, Arthur and Guinevere will probably be portrayed as a realistic royal couple. 

      Yeah, I just think that Arthur and Gwen and maybe Lancelot may have been friends or childhood friends, but she doesn't love Arthur. However, I am assuming that Arthur doesn't want to accept or know that.

      I see that maybe she was a noble and when Camelot's successor was chosen she was arranged to be married to him.

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    • MasterofCows wrote:
      I think something is up with Arthur. I mean, he wants the rest of Excalibur. And if he figures out that the dagger is the missing piece, I don't think he is just going to ask politely for it. Also, I don't think the Dark Swan is going to be the main villain in 5A. They do that a lot... like in 4A we thought it was Elsa and then it was Ingrid and then it was Rumpelstiltskin. And I do agree that Arthur is acting super shady.

      when u say this,i think king arthur could be the big bad villian this season un-obviosuly.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      Seeing the latest sneak peek, I am so surprised to see Guinevere so "in love" with Arthur, especially after her affair with Lancelot :o

      Arthur is a powerful king, and pretty handsome to boot.... both of which are shallow reasons.
      Yep, I bet they are going with Gwen only loves Arthur for his power, and that she actually loves Lancelot for himself. But I guess at the end of the day she choose Arthur over Lancelot. At any rate, it should be interesting to see how they play all this out on Once.

      who is Gwen?

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    • Joshleung wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      Seeing the latest sneak peek, I am so surprised to see Guinevere so "in love" with Arthur, especially after her affair with Lancelot :o

      Arthur is a powerful king, and pretty handsome to boot.... both of which are shallow reasons.
      Yep, I bet they are going with Gwen only loves Arthur for his power, and that she actually loves Lancelot for himself. But I guess at the end of the day she choose Arthur over Lancelot. At any rate, it should be interesting to see how they play all this out on Once.
      who is Gwen?

      Guinevere

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    • Joshleung wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Lady Junky wrote:

      Seeing the latest sneak peek, I am so surprised to see Guinevere so "in love" with Arthur, especially after her affair with Lancelot :o

      Arthur is a powerful king, and pretty handsome to boot.... both of which are shallow reasons.
      Yep, I bet they are going with Gwen only loves Arthur for his power, and that she actually loves Lancelot for himself. But I guess at the end of the day she choose Arthur over Lancelot. At any rate, it should be interesting to see how they play all this out on Once.
      who is Gwen?

      Like Mario above me said, it's short for Guinevere. I shorten it to Gwen, because Guin looks weird. XD

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    • Joshleung wrote:

      when u say this,i think king arthur could be the big bad villian this season un-obviosuly.

      I have a feeling, the Camelot arc is not going to have a Big Bad.... just a bunch a characters making less than ideal choices.

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    • Well, in the BBC Merlin series, Arthur and Gwenivere were able to get past the Lancelot incident and have a happy marriage until his death but that's probably not relevant here. Back on topic, I can agree that Arthur is shady and has his own motives. He's obviously gonna make a play for the dagger and complete Excalibur, which it seems Emma may have. Perhaps the sword can destroy the Darkness and that's why she wanted to pull it from the stone? That's what Merlin said would happen anyway.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      Well, in the BBC Merlin series, Arthur and Gwenivere were able to get past the Lancelot incident and have a happy marriage until his death but that's probably not relevant here. Back on topic, I can agree that Arthur is shady and has his own motives. He's obviously gonna make a play for the dagger and complete Excalibur, which it seems Emma may have. Perhaps the sword can destroy the Darkness and that's why she wanted to pull it from the stone? That's what Merlin said would happen anyway.

      I dun think the sword poccess any magic

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    • It has enough magic to vaporize people who shouldn't touch it.

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    • Joshleung wrote:
      Avatar Beta wrote:
      Well, in the BBC Merlin series, Arthur and Gwenivere were able to get past the Lancelot incident and have a happy marriage until his death but that's probably not relevant here. Back on topic, I can agree that Arthur is shady and has his own motives. He's obviously gonna make a play for the dagger and complete Excalibur, which it seems Emma may have. Perhaps the sword can destroy the Darkness and that's why she wanted to pull it from the stone? That's what Merlin said would happen anyway.
      I dun think the sword poccess any magic

      Excaliber is definitly magical. It killed Sir Kay, and the tip of it is the Dark One dagger, which we know is magical. Ergo, Excaliber is magical.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Joshleung wrote:
      Avatar Beta wrote:
      Well, in the BBC Merlin series, Arthur and Gwenivere were able to get past the Lancelot incident and have a happy marriage until his death but that's probably not relevant here. Back on topic, I can agree that Arthur is shady and has his own motives. He's obviously gonna make a play for the dagger and complete Excalibur, which it seems Emma may have. Perhaps the sword can destroy the Darkness and that's why she wanted to pull it from the stone? That's what Merlin said would happen anyway.
      I dun think the sword poccess any magic
      Excaliber is definitly magical. It killed Sir Kay, and the tip of it is the Dark One dagger, which we know is magical. Ergo, Excaliber is magical.

      maybe it can be used to free merlin from that tree.

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    • Yeah!

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      I can agree that Arthur is shady and has his own motives. He's obviously gonna make a play for the dagger and complete Excalibur, which it seems Emma may have. Perhaps the sword can destroy the Darkness and that's why she wanted to pull it from the stone? That's what Merlin said would happen anyway.

      To be fair.... unlike the rest of the characters, Arthur does not have an emotional attachment to Emma. She is just the Dark One, as far as he is concerned.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Avatar Beta wrote:
      I can agree that Arthur is shady and has his own motives. He's obviously gonna make a play for the dagger and complete Excalibur, which it seems Emma may have. Perhaps the sword can destroy the Darkness and that's why she wanted to pull it from the stone? That's what Merlin said would happen anyway.

      To be fair.... unlike the rest of the characters, Arthur does not have an emotional attachment to Emma. She is just the Dark One, as far as he is concerned.

      Technically, she's not the Dark One as far as he is concerned, but yeah, when he learns out he won't like it.

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    • In Storybrooke, at least, Emma is the Dark One to Arthur.  The meeting in the Mayor's office cleared up that issue.

      And you are right. He didn't like it.

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