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  • So as someone pointed out on another thread, it appears Nurse Ratched's actress was filming in the last week or two, as seen on her twitter:

    https://twitter.com/ingridtorrance

    The days she posted should be around 5x07 through 5x09 filming. As we already know the Camelot arc is set to end with 5x10. With the nurse getting her name revealed, and now knowing that she was filming again (it looks like at least 2 more days) in 5A, is anyone else wondering if this character is going to have a bigger role in some way in 5B?

    Here's where I start to get more speculative: I currently believe Regina made the staff of the hospital people from the Land Without Color. If you think about it Nurse Ratched could easily be adapted into a colorless horror world. Now why would we just now confirm the Severe Nurse's name, after she has been around since Season 1? Is it because our 5B villain will be someone from the LWC, and they are starting to drop hints now. This way they can ease us into the LWC again, after having not seen it since Season 2 with Frankenstein, and also so the astute viewer, like me, can pick up on the little clues they are already giving us.

    Thoughts?

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    • This sounds amazing. I really hope that something like this happens. The Land Without Color is really interesting. I think it has a lot of wasted potential, and to see it more explored would be great (hopefully with the help of Dr. Whale). Also, they introduced the concept of the author in the first episode of last season, and that wasn't the main focus until 4B, so introducing small hints to the LWC early on this season would make sense.

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    • I remember a while back Bridgette Hales (ignore my spelling of her name) said that an episode towards the end of 5A had so many rewards for long term fans. She probably meant Red and Mulan, but what if she meant this as well??

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    • I would love that!

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    • Well, there is no LWC story without Dr.Whale/Frankestein. And we all know that David Anders is in İZombie. And I don't think we have an another story for 5B. Someone asked to Adam : So we know the first half involves Dark Emma. What about the other half?. And he said that it's more complicated than that. I think we're going to see the same story in 5B including Arthur, Guinivere and the others.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Well, there is no LWC story without Dr.Whale/Frankestein. And we all know that David Anders is in İZombie. And I don't think we have an another story for 5B. Someone asked to Adam : So we know the first half involves Dark Emma. What about the other half?. And he said that it's more complicated than that. I think we're going to see the same story in 5B including Arthur, Guinivere and the others.

      Camelot will probably be done by the end of 5A, but Dark Swan will go over the whole sesaon. And they can easily do Dracula (or something) without ever showing Victor Frankenstein. LWC is a whole world, and Victor is just one guy in it.

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    • If they can get David Anders back, it would be awesome. But if not, they can still do stuff from LWC. I mean....they did a whole Wonderland spinoff without the Mad Hatter, and he was the main character that connected Wonderland to the show until Cora. So if they introduced some different characters instead of using him I wouldn't hate it. They could do Dracula, Jekyll and Hyde, the Headless Horseman, anything.

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    • Bgwinstonfc30 wrote:
      If they can get David Anders back, it would be awesome. But if not, they can still do stuff from LWC. I mean....they did a whole Wonderland spinoff without the Mad Hatter, and he was the main character that connected Wonderland to the show until Cora. So if they introduced some different characters instead of using him I wouldn't hate it. They could do Dracula, Jekyll and Hyde, the Headless Horseman, anything.

      Those three are really good, I also think Phantom of the Opera would work well.

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    • Well, now that David Anders has been confirmed to be back in at least one episode (hopefully more), do you guys think something could actually be happening?

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      And we all know that David Anders is in İZombie. 

      iZombie only has 13 episode seasons.

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    • It'd be great to see the Severe Nurse in more episodes. Maybe they can start crediting her on the press release as Nurse Ratched from then on so there's no more need to adhere to the "Severe Nurse" page title, which is her most current press release name.

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    • That would be lovely! We've had a lot of minor Storybrooke characters over the past seasons who didn't have a known FTL counterpart, or vice versa, but she's one of the S1 characters, when we were all thrilled to find out who was who, so the mystery's still appealing to me. :)

      Besides, she and the Janitor are the only two S1 Storybrooke characters who appeared for multiple seasons, whose counterpart is unknown (plus a woman Mary Margaret tried to sell a candle to, but her only other apparence was in the mob going for Ruby, much more marginal.)

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    • He is Chief Broom from the same movie, I think.

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    • No offense guys, but you may be overthinking it a bit.

      If our suspicions are true, then 5x08 is related to the Birth of Zelena's baby. (No guarantee, just speculation).  I suspect that Whale and Ratched will be back because they are two of the most regular hospital staff, and Zelena will be having her baby the same way other women do (Some things just can't be accomplished by magic).

      Although, if they did build up our beloved Severe Nurse Ratched more, I would have no objections.

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    • Not sure which episode was filming then but she was on set again on October 10th.

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    • Zannabanna wrote:
      Not sure which episode was filming then but she was on set again on October 10th.

      I was just about to say that.

      If I'm right after reading this thread... She's filmed for three episodes so far? She hasn't had that much screen-time since 2B and the whole Belle-Lacey mini-arc.

      Hopefully, they finally give her a bigger part now that they've confirmed her identity.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Zannabanna wrote:
      Not sure which episode was filming then but she was on set again on October 10th.
      I was just about to say that.

      If I'm right after reading this thread... She's filmed for three episodes so far? She hasn't had that much screen-time since 2B and the whole Belle-Lacey mini-arc.

      Hopefully, they finally give her a bigger part now that they've confirmed her identity.

      Assuming it's not just reshoots for the same episode, she is potentially in three different episodes, not including her appearance in the premiere. So yeah, if she's in 4 episodes out of 11, and they confirmed her name, I'm thinking she's playing a bigger role, or at least I hope she is.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Zannabanna wrote:
      Not sure which episode was filming then but she was on set again on October 10th.
      I was just about to say that.

      If I'm right after reading this thread... She's filmed for three episodes so far? She hasn't had that much screen-time since 2B and the whole Belle-Lacey mini-arc.

      Hopefully, they finally give her a bigger part now that they've confirmed her identity.

      Assuming it's not just reshoots for the same episode, she is potentially in three different episodes, not including her appearance in the premiere. So yeah, if she's in 4 episodes out of 11, and they confirmed her name, I'm thinking she's playing a bigger role, or at least I hope she is.

      I am so here for this...

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    • I support the old theory that she's the Dark Fairy. That would be AWHAHAHAHAesome.

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    • Bigger role doesn't mean Big Bad or something...

      I'm all in if they have her be the Black Fairy. After all, to have an actress constantly return for a 3 seconds non speaking scene it's a bit much. I do hope they do something with her.

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    • Nakis91 wrote:
      Bigger role doesn't mean Big Bad or something...

      I'm all in if they have her be the Black Fairy. After all, to have an actress constantly return for a 3 seconds non speaking scene it's a bit much. I do hope they do something with her.

      Right? It's one thing for Skin Deep, she could've been just a one-off character... But they've brought her back again and again and never given her more than in her debut episode, it's ridiculous.

      I do remember when people were sure she was Ursula, though.

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    • https://twitter.com/ingridtorrance/status/655637489818857473

      Apparently, she is in every episode from The Bear and the Bow to Broken Heart.

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      https://twitter.com/ingridtorrance/status/655637489818857473

      Apparently, she is in every episode from The Bear and the Bow to Broken Heart.

      OMG THIS IS EPIC. 6 out of 10 episodes? This is unreal.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      FrancisPaul wrote:
      https://twitter.com/ingridtorrance/status/655637489818857473Apparently, she is in every episode from The Bear and the Bow to Broken Heart.
      OMG THIS IS EPIC. 6 out of 10 episodes? This is unreal.

      That's freaking awesome. I don't care if she's just a side character, i'm still excited.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      I do remember when people were sure she was Ursula, though.

      I was sure she was the Queen of Hearts because Regina gave her a red rose

      And she was in the psychiatric ward, just like Wonderland being full of crazy people

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    • FrancisPaul wrote:
      https://twitter.com/ingridtorrance/status/655637489818857473

      Apparently, she is in every episode from The Bear and the Bow to Broken Heart.

      Yes, this is an interesting development. Wonder if she has something to do with Red or Mulan, and why they are missing. At any rate, we are obviously going to be exploring more about her and maybe where she came from.

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    • They are obviously going to spend a lot of time in the hospital while Zelena is having a miscarriage. She is just going to be there in the background.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      They are obviously going to spend a lot of time in the hospital while Zelena is having a miscarriage. She is just going to be there in the background.

      Except why would Zelena 1. have a miscarriage, and 2. why would Ratched be there. She is already established as the psych nurse. If anything, Zelena has her baby early (because she's so magical her babies don't even take 9 months to reach full term) and Nurse Ratched kidnaps the baby. The baby being Ozma of course. XD

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    • Actually, Ratched was also one of the nurses caring for Belle during her amnesia. That may be tangentialy associated with Psych stuff, but she is not trapped in the Psych ward.  And besides, if Zelena has her Baby, it would make sense to have the Psych nurse on hand.  I mean seriously, Zelena is bat $hit crazy.

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    • Yes, Zelena is a psych ward patient so it makes sense that her nurse would be there while she has a miscarriage.

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    • Why she would have a miscarriage?

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Why she would have a miscarriage?

      That's just my theory. I think they want an easy solution to the whole situation without losing emotional resonance.

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    • I don't think that they would go the miscarriage route, actually.  Zelena is already a taco short of a combo platter.  Having a miscarriage could (and probably would) send her off the deep end.

      However, given the timing, the baby is likely to be very premature, and maybe Regina will have to step up her effort in being the Savior and actually help keep the baby from dying, providing an opportunity for Regina and Zelena to mend their relationship a bit. Zelena may never be fully reformed, but they could at least let her have a slightly less dysfunctional relationship with Regina.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I don't think that they would go the miscarriage route, actually.  Zelena is already a taco short of a combo platter.  Having a miscarriage could (and probably would) send her off the deep end.

      However, given the timing, the baby is likely to be very premature, and maybe Regina will have to step up her effort in being the Savior and actually help keep the baby from dying, providing an opportunity for Regina and Zelena to mend their relationship a bit. Zelena may never be fully reformed, but they could at least let her have a slightly less dysfunctional relationship with Regina.

      I would really love such a developement.

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    • Whereas I'm excited about the possibility of Nurse Ratched/the Severe Nurse being more prominent, what if we're getting ahead of ourselves? Let's face it, she hasn't really done anything so far, and the fact that she's filmed more episodes doesn't necessarily mean she's gonna start getting busy. She could just be there as a glorified extra if the characters continually visit Zelena down in her cell. That said, I would love to see/learn more of Ratched. :)

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    • Fight Song wrote: She could just be there as a glorified extra if the characters continually visit Zelena down in her cell. 

      Which is what she has always been.

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    • It's very likely. But they just gave her a name and I do hope that she gets more screentime

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    • She is probably the most glorified extra on the show (and she has actually had a few lines over the years). And given the twists they like to pull, even if it wasn't planned from the beginning, I bet they could come up with something for our psych nurse that is befitting.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      She is probably the most glorified extra on the show (and she has actually had a few lines over the years). And given the twists they like to pull, even if it wasn't planned from the beginning, I bet they could come up with something for our psych nurse that is befitting.

      Amen.

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    • Maybe Zelena will escape and then shape shift into Nurse Ratched. As far as I know she still has that nacklace (I forgot what it's called). And this would be a way to have Zelena do something in storybrooke wihtout taking the other characters' attention away from Dark Swan. She could just tell everyone that Zelena is still in her cell, and do whatever she wants.

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    • Magician123 wrote:
      Maybe Zelena will escape and then shape shift into Nurse Ratched. As far as I know she still has that nacklace (I forgot what it's called). And this would be a way to have Zelena do something in storybrooke wihtout taking the other characters' attention away from Dark Swan. She could just tell everyone that Zelena is still in her cell, and do whatever she wants.

      The necklace is called the Six-Leafed Clover of Oz, and no, she no longer has it, it was destroyed to open the portal to Oz that was almost instantly redirected to the Enchanted Forest with Emma's baby blanket.

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    • JUST so you all know. Her name's not 'Nurse Ratched' Regina was making a joke/being mean. She was referencing 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest'! Who was the bully nurse.

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    • Lorisa214 wrote:
      JUST so you all know. Her name's not 'Nurse Ratched' Regina was making a joke/being mean. She was referencing 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest'! Who was the bully nurse.

      Henry is the one who calls her Nurse Ratched in the episode "The Dark Swan", not Regina. He wasn't even addressing her in an insulting manner or anything. The press release for the episode "Birth" even credits her as such. 

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    • LOL Than the writers are making the joke. If you've never read the book, literally just goggle Nurse Ratched and she will come up. NO WAY is her name a coincidence.

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    • Lorisa214 wrote:
      LOL Than the writers are making the joke. If you've never read the book, literally just goggle Nurse Ratched and she will come up. NO WAY is her name a coincidence.

      It isn't a coincidence. Her name is Nurse Ratched because she is One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest's Nurse Ratched. All story characters are real on Once, so naturally OFOTCN characters would be as well.

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    • And if you watch the seens in the Asylum wing, they not only have Nurse Ratched, but also the indian chief from OFOTCN.  It's not a joke, it is an unwritten part of Once.

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    • I did see the indian chief! How is that not a joke? It's where Bell was locked up in the insane asylum. AKA where the book takes place. There's no way Disney'd be allowed to do that story. Or want to. It's a joke. The same way House did it in season 6's 'Broken' (A show that Jennifer Morrison was also in)

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    • Lorisa214 wrote:
      I did see the indian chief! How is that not a joke? It's where Bell was locked up in the insane asylum. AKA where the book takes place. There's no way Disney'd be allowed to do that story. Or want to. It's a joke. The same way House did it in season 6's 'Broken' (A show that Jennifer Morrison was also in)

      Guess what? Apprentice turned into a mouse. That's a joke. Snow White has dwarves, what a joke? Snow Queen owns the ice cream parlor, biggest joke ever.

      You see the problem? They aren't jokes; they are the characters. Henry knows most of the characters that live in SB and Nurse Ratched is Nurse Ratched and Chief is Chief.

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    • Lorisa214 wrote:
      I did see the indian chief! How is that not a joke? It's where Bell was locked up in the insane asylum. AKA where the book takes place. There's no way Disney'd be allowed to do that story. Or want to. It's a joke. The same way House did it in season 6's 'Broken' (A show that Jennifer Morrison was also in)

      This is not Disney's show, this is ABC's show. And yes ABC is owned by Disney, but ABC is their adult division, meaning that OFOTCN is in fact fair game. Mind you, we aren't going to see all the things that happen in the book (as those would have to be TV-14 or even TV-MA), but seeing the asulym and implying patients are being torchured is fine. My personal theory is that Ratched and Chief are from the LWC, making this a horror story, but time will tell. We will likely find out more about them in Season 6, seeing as my original guess for why Ratched was seen so much this season seems to be correct.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Lorisa214 wrote:
      I did see the indian chief! How is that not a joke? It's where Bell was locked up in the insane asylum. AKA where the book takes place. There's no way Disney'd be allowed to do that story. Or want to. It's a joke. The same way House did it in season 6's 'Broken' (A show that Jennifer Morrison was also in)

      This is not Disney's show, this is ABC's show. And yes ABC is owned by Disney, but ABC is their adult division, meaning that OFOTCN is in fact fair game. Mind you, we aren't going to see all the things that happen in the book (as those would have to be TV-14 or even TV-MA), but seeing the asulym and implying patients are being torchured is fine. My personal theory is that Ratched and Chief are from the LWC, making this a horror story, but time will tell. We will likely find out more about them in Season 6, seeing as my original guess for why Ratched was seen so much this season seems to be correct.

      Hmm maybe. But they'd have to get the rights for the book and its characters first.

      Also at Eskaver jokes can also be easter eggs. They do it a LOT in comic book movies and tv shows. Like in Supergirl her Earth parents are played by Clark from Clark and Lois and her mom is the original Supergirl. Or...The mass majority of Deadpool. It's sometimes things they can't touch on, or just want to give a little shout out to.

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    • Lorisa214 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      Lorisa214 wrote:
      I did see the indian chief! How is that not a joke? It's where Bell was locked up in the insane asylum. AKA where the book takes place. There's no way Disney'd be allowed to do that story. Or want to. It's a joke. The same way House did it in season 6's 'Broken' (A show that Jennifer Morrison was also in)
      This is not Disney's show, this is ABC's show. And yes ABC is owned by Disney, but ABC is their adult division, meaning that OFOTCN is in fact fair game. Mind you, we aren't going to see all the things that happen in the book (as those would have to be TV-14 or even TV-MA), but seeing the asulym and implying patients are being torchured is fine. My personal theory is that Ratched and Chief are from the LWC, making this a horror story, but time will tell. We will likely find out more about them in Season 6, seeing as my original guess for why Ratched was seen so much this season seems to be correct.
      Hmm maybe. But they'd have to get the rights for the book and its characters first.

      Also at Eskaver jokes can also be easter eggs. They do it a LOT in comic book movies and tv shows. Like in Supergirl her Earth parents are played by Clark from Clark and Lois and her mom is the original Supergirl. Or...The mass majority of Deadpool. It's sometimes things they can't touch on, or just want to give a little shout out to.

      The Nurse is Nurse Ratched, simple as that. There's no argument. Sorry to be snippy, but the press release from  ABC and the show says that Ingrid Torrance plays the Severe Nurse/ Nurse Ratched. She's Nurse Ratched and that's her name.

      http://www.disneyabcpress.com/abc/pressrelease/on-a-two-hour-special-of-abcs-once-upon-a-time-birth-the-bear-king-1115/

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    • ...Umm, that literally wasn't even what I was talking about anymore.

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    • Lorisa214 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Lorisa214 wrote:
      I did see the indian chief! How is that not a joke? It's where Bell was locked up in the insane asylum. AKA where the book takes place. There's no way Disney'd be allowed to do that story. Or want to. It's a joke. The same way House did it in season 6's 'Broken' (A show that Jennifer Morrison was also in)
      This is not Disney's show, this is ABC's show. And yes ABC is owned by Disney, but ABC is their adult division, meaning that OFOTCN is in fact fair game. Mind you, we aren't going to see all the things that happen in the book (as those would have to be TV-14 or even TV-MA), but seeing the asulym and implying patients are being torchured is fine. My personal theory is that Ratched and Chief are from the LWC, making this a horror story, but time will tell. We will likely find out more about them in Season 6, seeing as my original guess for why Ratched was seen so much this season seems to be correct.

      Hmm maybe. But they'd have to get the rights for the book and its characters first.

      Also at Eskaver jokes can also be easter eggs. They do it a LOT in comic book movies and tv shows. Like in Supergirl her Earth parents are played by Clark from Clark and Lois and her mom is the original Supergirl. Or...The mass majority of Deadpool. It's sometimes things they can't touch on, or just want to give a little shout out to.

      It is entirely possible that OFOTCN is in the public domain, if you look at this chart, unless you have done specific things to stop it, something published in 1962 (which is when OFOTCN was published) is in the public domain. Even if it is not in the public domain, I doubt it would cost very much for ABC to get the rights to it, it's not exactly like everyone is chomping at the bit to do a OFOTCN tv show. Anyway, here is the chart:

      http://copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm

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    • Oh wow! This is so cool, thank you! I always knew the classic Disney were all ledgens or fairytales so no one owned the rights (so no one needed to be paid lol) but I didn't know there was an actual rule book!

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    • The rights to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Kesey's 1962 novel about rebellion in a mental hospital, were acquired by Kirk Douglas soon after publication as a vehicle in which he planned to return to the Broadway stage. When Douglas discovered that Wasserman had also tried to buy the rights, he hired him to write the play, agreeing that Wasserman should retain all rights to his dramatization while Douglas retained screen rights to the novel.

      So, if Disney?ABC had ever wanted to make a story based on it, they'd need to get the rightsfrom Kirk Douglas.

      The characters of Nurse Ratched/Severe nurse and the janitor (Chief Broom) are a sight gag/Easter egg, for the amusement of fans and/or the writers. They never were and never will be part of OUAT canon--nor should they be.

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    • AnnaSefalik wrote:
      The rights to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Kesey's 1962 novel about rebellion in a mental hospital, were acquired by Kirk Douglas soon after publication as a vehicle in which he planned to return to the Broadway stage. When Douglas discovered that Wasserman had also tried to buy the rights, he hired him to write the play, agreeing that Wasserman should retain all rights to his dramatization while Douglas retained screen rights to the novel.

      So, if Disney?ABC had ever wanted to make a story based on it, they'd need to get the rightsfrom Kirk Douglas.

      The characters of Nurse Ratched/Severe nurse and the janitor (Chief Broom) are a sight gag/Easter egg, for the amusement of fans and/or the writers. They never were and never will be part of OUAT canon--nor should they be.

      Well, the characters are credited as Nurse Ratched and Chief, and Henry even called the operation at the end of Season 6 Operation Cuckoo's Nest, so obviously they were able to obtain or work around the right's issue.

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