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  • So is anyone excited about this book? I'd be more excited if it was actual canon, but I don't think it is. At any rate, if anyone wants to read the first chapter, it has been posted online (like many book's first chapters are to be promoted).

    http://cdn.media.abc.com/m/images/shows/once-upon-a-time/pdf/Once_Upon_a_Time_Reds_Untold_Tale_Chapter_1.pdf

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    • It is canon. It is already added on our page ^^

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    • It still doesn't seem to be the same level of canon as the comics. Those had direct participation from a writer on the show, this does not. The author even stated that she had free reign when writing the story in an interview: http://www.onceuponafans.com/interviews/from-screen-to-page-creating-reds-untold-tale

      To me, that means that this is not true canon, and can be overruled by the show, should they decide to show anything with younger Red.

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    • I'm very much looking forward to this. Hearing that she's coming back for season 5 and getting to be the title character of her own tie in novel... it's a good time for Red/Ruby fans :)

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: It still doesn't seem to be the same level of canon as the comics. Those had direct participation from a writer on the show, this does not. The author even stated that she had free reign when writing the story in an interview: http://www.onceuponafans.com/interviews/from-screen-to-page-creating-reds-untold-tale

      To me, that means that this is not true canon, and can be overruled by the show, should they decide to show anything with younger Red.

      She had free reign to decide the story she wanted to write. But still, she had to tell them what she wanted to do, meaning they were checking what she was doing. Yeah, she had free reign for the first ideas. They asked her to do a backstory to Red, because they would never have the time to do it in the show. But still, she did not what she wanted. For exemple, I talked with her (a lovely woman btw!) and she told me that she was not able to decide Red's real name. She explained me that they had a consensus of not giving the real name, meaning they gave her some rules.

      BTW, I'm reading it right now. I'm nearly at the middle of it. And for now, we only have Peter, Red and Granny from the show. That's all. To me, it only proves that she did not get the right to add something in the past of the others characters, because they did not allow her.

      Then, she is a novel author. Ofc she had a free reign when she writes. That's not an interesting job as an author if you are in this situation: "That's the story we decided, do a novel from it and follow it closely". What would have been the point, honestly? So yeah, that's normal that she had some liberties about it. Then, about comics, Kalinda did not write the comics. She wrote the general stories for the 4 stories, but the comic was written by Corinna.

      I really don't think all script writers are able to write a whole novel, because it is totally different. They're good at writing scripts but writing a whole book and make it interesting? That's completely different.

      Then, I don't think there is a "not true canon" x) It is canon or it is not. Ofc, all works do not have the same degree of canonicity, but still: canon means it happens, wheter we like it or not. Ofc, we're free to see it as canon or not, but our personnal point of view won't change the canonicity of a book.

      And, just to say. Personally, I don't think the show will ever overrule something in this book, for the reason that they simply do not have the time to do another backstory to Red x) Seeing the construction of the show, to me, it is impossible that Red is getting more attention on her backstory, unless she is becoming a key character in the plot.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: It still doesn't seem to be the same level of canon as the comics. Those had direct participation from a writer on the show, this does not. The author even stated that she had free reign when writing the story in an interview: http://www.onceuponafans.com/interviews/from-screen-to-page-creating-reds-untold-tale

      To me, that means that this is not true canon, and can be overruled by the show, should they decide to show anything with younger Red.

      She had free reign to decide the story she wanted to write. But still, she had to tell them what she wanted to do, meaning they were checking what she was doing. Yeah, she had free reign for the first ideas. They asked her to do a backstory to Red, because they would never have the time to do it in the show. But still, she did not what she wanted. For exemple, I talked with her (a lovely woman btw!) and she told me that she was not able to decide Red's real name. She explained me that they had a consensus of not giving the real name, meaning they gave her some rules.

      BTW, I'm reading it right now. I'm nearly at the middle of it. And for now, we only have Peter, Red and Granny from the show. That's all. To me, it only proves that she did not get the right to add something in the past of the others characters, because they did not allow her.

      Then, she is a novel author. Ofc she had a free reign when she writes. That's not an interesting job as an author if you are in this situation: "That's the story we decided, do a novel from it and follow it closely". What would have been the point, honestly? So yeah, that's normal that she had some liberties about it. Then, about comics, Kalinda did not write the comics. She wrote the general stories for the 4 stories, but the comic was written by Corinna.

      I really don't think all script writers are able to write a whole novel, because it is totally different. They're good at writing scripts but writing a whole book and make it interesting? That's completely different.

      Then, I don't think there is a "not true canon" x) It is canon or it is not. Ofc, all works do not have the same degree of canonicity, but still: canon means it happens, wheter we like it or not. Ofc, we're free to see it as canon or not, but our personnal point of view won't change the canonicity of a book.

      And, just to say. Personally, I don't think the show will ever overrule something in this book, for the reason that they simply do not have the time to do another backstory to Red x) Seeing the construction of the show, to me, it is impossible that Red is getting more attention on her backstory, unless she is becoming a key character in the plot.

      Thanks Lady. That actually makes me feel better, that she did have to clear things with A and E, and was not allowed to do things like give Red a "real" name. From the interview, it seems she was really invested in doing a good job, seeing that she rewatched the episodes and even read the comic. So it should be a fun read, I'm picking it up soon.

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    • I don't think her word on the matter is relevant to determine whether or not the book is canon. The confirmation needs to be from A&E. She may have checked with them and the book might be canon, but as long as A&E have not confirmed it, it does not count and should not be stated as such.

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    • So, I've started reading the book, and am not overly impressed. It seems in an effort to not contradict anything on the show we have a very timid plot. If this is how A and E imagined Red and Granny before "Red Handed", then I'm glad we will never see it in flashback. Although I do think the author did a great job in putting in little references of things on the show, and even the chapters (22 of them) is a reference to a season's length, so that's good.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      So, I've started reading the book, and am not overly impressed. It seems in an effort to not contradict anything on the show we have a very timid plot. If this is how A and E imagined Red and Granny before "Red Handed", then I'm glad we will never see it in flashback. Although I do think the author did a great job in putting in little references of things on the show, and even the chapters (22 of them) is a reference to a season's length, so that's good.


      I just finished it! That was a good story to me :) It gives a backstory on Red, without contradicting the show. Ofc, it is a love story but still :) I like it ^^ No need to do everyting in the show, this book was perfect for this backstory :) We have a lot of more about her character too :) The author did a great job :)

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      So, I've started reading the book, and am not overly impressed. It seems in an effort to not contradict anything on the show we have a very timid plot. If this is how A and E imagined Red and Granny before "Red Handed", then I'm glad we will never see it in flashback. Although I do think the author did a great job in putting in little references of things on the show, and even the chapters (22 of them) is a reference to a season's length, so that's good.

      I just finished it! That was a good story to me :) It gives a backstory on Red, without contradicting the show. Ofc, it is a love story but still :) I like it ^^ No need to do everyting in the show, this book was perfect for this backstory :) We have a lot of more about her character too :) The author did a great job :)

      Yeah, I have to finish reading it. From skimming ahead, it looked like they told us the wizard that gave Granny the cloak (not Rumple, thank God), and they gave us lots of other new characters as well. So if we're saying the book is canon, we need to give those characters pages, and update Red, Granny, and Peter's bios, right?

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    • Only the most important characters from the book will have their pages :) Not all of them that's impossible there is too many of them xd And yeah, we meet the wizard who helped Granny and it is not Rumple :)

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Only the most important characters from the book will have their pages :) Not all of them that's impossible there is too many of them xd And yeah, we meet the wizard who helped Granny and it is not Rumple :)

      Well, the less important ones get on the group page for EF characters then, I believe. :)

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    • Is it out? I've been looking on Amazon and it says it's only up for pre-order- out Oct 15th apparently.

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    • P3nathan wrote:
      Is it out? I've been looking on Amazon and it says it's only up for pre-order- out Oct 15th apparently.

      It's out. And Amazon has it up to order now:

      http://www.amazon.com/Once-Upon-Time-Reds-Untold/dp/1484727460/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1443053203&sr=8-1&keywords=Once+Upon+a+time+red

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    • Huh, maybe the UK hasn't received it yet. I'll get it through the US site in that case, thanks.

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    • P3nathan wrote:
      Huh, maybe the UK hasn't received it yet. I'll get it through the US site in that case, thanks.

      Oh, your in the UK, yeah that's probably the problem.

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    • Okay, I finished the book. It was okay, but I just wish more was done in it. The author was kind of stuck though, if she wanted to make the book fit with the show, she couldn't do too much craziness with Red, Peter, and Granny, because we know where they need to be for Red Handed to work. The thing I was most impressed with was how she worked in Amos and Copper from The Fox and The Hound. I also liked how she (kind of) answered questions like how did the castle that Anita and co. lived in sink, where did the siren from Lake Nostos come from, and who was the wizard that gave Granny the magical cloak. Overall, this is an interesting read for a fan of the show, and about as useful as the comics.

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    • So has anyone else read this book? If so what did you think of it?

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: So has anyone else read this book? If so what did you think of it?

      I haven't yet, but I'm planning to soon :P

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    • Does anyone know if it's at Barnes and Noble? I'm thinking of getting it and Out Of The Past at some point soon. I need them both.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Does anyone know if it's at Barnes and Noble? I'm thinking of getting it and Out Of The Past at some point soon. I need them both.


      http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/once-upon-a-time-wendy-toliver/1121014150?ean=9781484727461

      =)
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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Does anyone know if it's at Barnes and Noble? I'm thinking of getting it and Out Of The Past at some point soon. I need them both.

      http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/once-upon-a-time-wendy-toliver/1121014150?ean=9781484727461

      =)

      Thank you, sweetie!

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