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  • Has anyone noticed that in the first season, the first curse doesn't seem to effect animals. I mean Graham's wolf was in storybrooke two like everyone else, and it seems to have all his memories and remembers Graham by helping him.

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    • I doubt the curse effected anything non-humanoid, except Mermaids which can just swim away.

      It's surprising that Graham's Wolf came because I didn't think that the Curse stripped the land of animals and forestry. Are we to assume that the rest of the EF was in shambles like Snow and David's castle? We never see it and I assume so, since Regina put a protection spell around her castle and Rumple's castle was in (better) ruins too.

      So, I would believe that animals may have came to and luckily it isn't a completely different biome or tons of creatures would die.

      I'll guess that Regina didn't feel like programming the animals to change identities. Another curiosity is how does Regina do that? How could Regina change the personality of thousands of people in a moment. I guess she just sat in a chamber outside of time and programmed an identity into each indvidual or profile and didn't care about the animals after going through countless other profiles. Snow had it easy and just wished it to be as it was.

      So, I say that it did seeing that it transportted the creature and kept it alive and around the same age.

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    • Wuuuuut. Regina didn't programme anything xD It was the Curse itself.

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    • Yeah, I guess so. I mean the curse could have changed people's personalities, but why not the animals?¬† How would Regina make people exempt from not forgetting, like Jefferson, or not having one, like Belle? I mean she could just randomly wished that when she casted the curse, but that just seems weird without her giving it some thought.

      I want Jefferson and Victor for the other worlds. I want Jefferson to remember and Belle to not have anything and start off in a cell. Got al that, DC?

      Haha, like I wonder how that worked. But back on topic.....I guess the maker only thought of humaniods when using the curse.

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    • With this, Gus came into my mind. Is Gus really a mouse, or is he originally a human turned into a mouse, that's why he takes a human form in Storybrooke? (Seriously, the non-existent interaction between Gus and Ella is annoys me.)

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    • I'm quite sure Gus was a human originally.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      I'm quite sure Gus was a human originally.

      I know this may sound off-topic, but I've always thought Billy was a werewolf. When I found out he was a mouse, it kinda made me lose a little interest in the show. Emphasis on a little.

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    • Actually, in the episode where Graham died, he and the evil queen made a deal to "protect all wolves from the curse", which is why they had memories.

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    • Cscool13 wrote: Actually, in the episode where Graham died, he and the evil queen made a deal to "protect all wolves from the curse", which is why they had memories.

      This doesn't happen in "The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter", or any episode that I can remember. The Huntsman asks, in exchange for killing Snow White, that the hunting of wolves be outlawed.

      A wolf does guide Graham in present day, but it can be argued that that wolf was a vision.

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    • Well, Emma saw the wolf too, so I doubt it was a vision.

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    • Maybe it was magical?

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    • Nightlily wrote: Well, Emma saw the wolf too, so I doubt it was a vision.

      Maybe, maybe not. Shared visions happen pretty frequently in real life. Plus, I find it plausible that Emma's Savior magic (which she didn't know she had at the time) was leading her to help Graham. Or maybe it WAS a real wolf, frozen in time but unaffected by the Curse's memory wipe, that was trying to help Graham. S1 is kind of ambiguous. There's not that many animals around to judge this stuf on.

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    • The whole point of Regina casting the curse was to separate everyone from their loved ones, so that the only happy ending would be hers. The wolf was the Huntsman's beloved companion, so it makes sense that he (the wolf) was brought to SB. Although that doesn't explain why the wolf still has his memories.

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    • Addressing the earlier discussion:

      There seem to be sentient and non sentient animals in the EF, so I guess we can assume that sentient animals may have become human.

      Or, as Killian suggests, those sentient animals were once humans. And our only real examples of sentient animals are Jiminy and Gus.... and we know Jiminy was turned into a cricket.

      (This is why I love thinking about the dark curse. so many possibilities and explanations)

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    • Nightlily wrote: The whole point of Regina casting the curse was to separate everyone from their loved ones, so that the only happy ending would be hers. The wolf was the Huntsman's beloved companion, so it makes sense that he (the wolf) was brought to SB. Although that doesn't explain why the wolf still has his memories.

      Emma. That whole period of S1 explores how Emma's presence is wearing down the Dark Curse. The mine starts collapsing. Archie (and Sidney, to an extent) start defying Regina. The wolf is part of this, imo. Follow me on this:

      Emma is weakening the Curse just by being in Storybrooke. She and Graham work together, so that Savior magic wears on him, weakening the barriers on his memory. Graham doesn't start seeing that specific wolf until after kissing Emma early in the episode. (And Gold claims there are no wolves in Storybrooke). Maybe the wolf is real, and Graham's weakening memory/Emma's presence calls him to Graham. He's the lodestone that bring further flashes of memory. Or maybe it's just a vision, one that is shared with Emma, because she's the savior.

      I see him more as a shared vision, but either makes sense to me.

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    • Maybe only former humans/significant animals came from the EF to Storybrooke. And we know Storybrooke was created in a vacuum, which would explain the lack of animals overall.

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    • Pongo came with the first curse, though.

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    • Nightlily wrote: Pongo came with the first curse, though.

      That's what I mean by significant. He's significant for some reason. Or maybe he's also a former human.

      Or maybe Archie bought him from an online breeder :D

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    • As seen in 217, he came to Storybrooke when the curse was created in 1983, so I doubt that XD But I guess you were joking?

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    • Nightlily wrote: As seen in 217, he came to Storybrooke when the curse was created in 1983, so I doubt that XD But I guess you were joking?

      I don't think that's necessarily true. Without knowing the full extent of the curse's power, we can't be sure that Pongo isn't a mere creation of the curse, just like Archie's umbrella, desk, and everything else he owns.


      Or maybe he's one of many little signs that hope still exist. The pixie flower, a loving dog, the Book in MM's closet, Graham's wolf, etc.

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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